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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: CREALMADRID on January 13, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
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Whats the story behind that,obviously he wasnt happy with ARNOLDs win!
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As did Coe, Mentzer and a few others. Dickerson was in fact part of the boycott and backed out last minute . . . who would have thought one of them would do that.
THE BEEF
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Can't really blame them. Zane said that many of the guys didn't talk to Arnold for a long time after 1980.
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Can't really blame them. Zane said that many of the guys didn't talk to Arnold for a long time after 1980.
From what I understand, Arnold wasn't supposed to compete..he had retired a few years before.....Zane said he saw Arnold in the gym training really hard one day and this shocked him...he went over to Arnold and asked him point blank if he was going to compete at the next Olympia and Arnold said no...that he was just trying to get back in shape.....All the athletes were shocked when Arnold appeared at the pre-Olympia meeting....
I think they all felt betrayed because Arnold lied to them and also some strings were supposedly pulled so Arnold could compete since he had missed the deadline to formally sign up..
All this is what led to people believing that Arnold was given the Olympia on a silver platter by his friends in the industry.
Supposedly Arnold was upset with Zane because Arnold was working as a TV commentator and interviewer at Zane's last Olympia win and Zane embarassed Arnold on live TV.... while Arnold was interviewing him, Arnold asked him about his great conditioning.....and Zane replied with "I haven't been in this great a shape since I beat you" referring to some past contest they were in....this supposedly incensed Arnold to the point where he wanted revenge..hence his entering the Olympia
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I often wondered if the reason Arnold did the 1980 Olympia was because his movie career wasn't going that well at that time. Remember, this was four years before Terminator.
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I often wondered if the reason Arnold did the 1980 Olympia was because his movie career wasn't going that well at that time. Remember, this was four years before Terminator.
Arnold was working as a TV commentator...I think he was doing quite well
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Arnold was the promoter of the 1981 Olympia so that is why they weren't going to compete.
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Arnold was the promoter of the 1981 Olympia so that is why they weren't going to compete.
Correct, they felt they wouldn't get a fair shake against a friend of Arnold's like Franco Columbu.
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I often wondered if the reason Arnold did the 1980 Olympia was because his movie career wasn't going that well at that time. Remember, this was four years before Terminator.
Conan was being folmed in spain, and delayed by a year
Arnold's spin was that he decided to do and train for the show in 6 weeks, meanwhile it secretely was more like 6 months under the guise of training for conan the barbarian
He had already done enough work to be considered an actor, and also wasn't struggling financially
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it wasn't the first time Arnold betrayed the american bodybuilders. in the late 60's he was friendly with them all until franco arrived. then he called them all paper champions in an article.
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Arnold was the promoter of the 1981 Olympia so that is why they weren't going to compete.
In 76, arnold was also co-promoter with lorimer
Coincidentally, franco won then, too ! Over Zane, who was arguably better on the day
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they all felt betrayed because Arnold lied to them
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arnold wanted to teach zane and mentzer a lesson, he said this a few times.
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arnold wanted to teach zane and mentzer a lesson, he said this a few times.
What lesson? That he owned the IFBB?
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The winner of a bodybuilding contest is a subjective thing. I watched the film of the 1980 contest. Even though Arnold was at 80% he looked better than anyone else at that contest. Zane and Dickerson was the most ripped. I could have seen Dickerson winning looking at still pictures. Mentzer looked good but he wasn't the winner when three guys looked better. Look at anyone standing by Arnold in the film and he just looked better.
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HA HA HA HA SILLY KIDS. NOW YOU KNOW WHY ARNOLD IS NUMBER #1.
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The winner of a bodybuilding contest is a subjective thing. I watched the film of the 1980 contest. Even though Arnold was at 80% he looked better than anyone else at that contest. Zane and Dickerson was the most ripped. I could have seen Dickerson winning looking at still pictures. Mentzer looked good but he wasn't the winner when three guys looked better. Look at anyone standing by Arnold in the film and he just looked better.
Zane was nowehere near his best because of hospital stay and muscle loss
Arnold was probably the best. Platz was overlooked, he deserved higher
For some reason, mentzer and coe both thought they were mr olympia that day
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I think Arnold won this contest fair and I have`nt seen video footage. Even if Arnold was`nt at his best, he was good enough. One thing that could be said against him was the he did`nt do some of the mandatory poses. Side triceps and rear latspread. It`s almost impossible to find a pic of Arnold doing rear latspread even from his better years. Kinda like the opposite of Yates.
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Arnold's a scumbag. He wasn't supposed to be allowed to enter the show last min. Of course the IFBB made an exception cause he's Arnold. That's an obvious violation of the rules. There's no rule about exceptions. You sign a contract by a deadline for a reason. Arnold 6 time Mr. O. Dorian is the better 6 time Mr. O.
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Arnie actually had seven wins.
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Arnie actually had seven wins.
No, 1980 doesn't count. Null and void. 6x Mr. O. Dorian is the better 6x Mr. O. Arnold is a prick.
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Some of us in Sydney knew Arnold had enterred the Olympia in 1980 about a month beforehand. Paul Graham, the promoter, told me but to not broadcast it. So it was no last minute entry.
Paul and Arnold were mates, however, and lived together in LA just after Arnold arrived in America.
Zane is a cocky guy and when Arnold suggested that winning the Olympia for the third time must made him feel the best ever Frank smugly replied that no, beating Arnold for the Universe in Miami in 1968 was a bigger thrill. That pissed Arnold off. Guys like Arnold are already motivated so adding fuel to the fire is not helping things. He trained in secret. Then Frank got hurt just before the contest and lost some size. He damaged his urethra in a swimming pool when he fell. Ouch.
Read the long thread of 38 pages over at Ironage for more photos and details. It is all there. However, you have to join the site first to read the forums.
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No, 1980 doesn't count. Null and void. 6x Mr. O. Dorian is the better 6x Mr. O. Arnold is a prick.
1980 doesn't count???? it is in the record books!
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Some of us in Sydney knew Arnold had enterred the Olympia in 1980 about a month beforehand. Paul Graham, the promoter, told me but to not broadcast it. So it was no last minute entry.
Paul and Arnold were mates, however, and lived together in LA just after Arnold arrived in America.
Zane is a cocky guy and when Arnold suggested that winning the Olympia for the third time must made him feel the best ever Frank smugly replied that no, beating Arnold for the Universe in Miami in 1968 was a bigger thrill. That pissed Arnold off. Guys like Arnold are already motivated so adding fuel to the fire is not helping things. He trained in secret. Then Frank got hurt just before the contest and lost some size. He damaged his urethra in a swimming pool when he fell. Ouch.
Read the long thread of 38 pages over at Ironage for more photos and details. It is all there. However, you have to join the site first to read the forums.
Is Paul Graham the guy that's giggling at everything Arnold says and fawning over him backstage? The one he shares the Jim Beam joke with..wearing a jacket
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i think that guy is bill drake....
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1980 doesn't count???? it is in the record books!
Fine then, here you go. "*".
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Whats the story behind that,obviously he wasnt happy with ARNOLDs win!
1. In 1980, there was no one clear, obvious winner.
Plus, the field was very evenly matched with a variety of different physique types.
I believe that 7 different judges picked a different guy for 1st place on their scorecard.
After throwning out the high and low of all the judges ( 11 total I think? ) Arnold had the lowest overall placement score.
2. Arnold made a stink about bringing back the two different wt classes ( under/over 200) from his last Olympia in 1975.
Mentzer had a meltdown and wanted to fight Arnold and most of the others were pissed off at Arnold.
Arnold then laughed it off and withdrew the request.
3. Platz looked great and said in this close show, Arnold's charisma would steal the attention and win the day .
I agree with Platz because I have seen the video and heard all the tales of the 1980 Olympia. In a close contest Arnold would dominate in the end because of his bigger then life persona.
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The only guy who has a legitimate reason to complain is Platz. The rest were all hurt because with Arnold's shadow out of the game for five years it was their turn to try and do what he did. He came back and won and they all scattered to the wind.
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Watch the video.. Arnold ws not the winner.. Not really even close.. Some magazine editors had him in 4th or 5th.. The guys weren't mad persae at Arnold entering but they knew that with himi inthe show he would win whether it was deserved or not.. It really was a travesty.. He was not the winner.. Boos echoed through that place..
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1. In 1980, there was no one clear, obvious winner.
Plus, the field was very evenly matched with a variety of different physique types.
I believe that 7 different judges picked a different guy for 1st place on their scorecard.
After throwning out the high and low of all the judges ( 11 total I think? ) Arnold had the lowest overall placement score.
2. Arnold made a stink about bringing back the two different wt classes ( under/over 200) from his last Olympia in 1975.
Mentzer had a meltdown and wanted to fight Arnold and most of the others were pissed off at Arnold.
Arnold then laughed it off and withdrew the request.
3. Platz looked great and said in this close show, Arnold's charisma would steal the attention and win the day .
I agree with Platz because I have seen the video and heard all the tales of the 1980 Olympia. In a close contest Arnold would dominate in the end because of his bigger then life persona.
Are you fucking kidding me? Wow Howard ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Show me how where in the IFBB handbook it shows how to judge that ::) and you were/are an NPC judge. Your line of thinking makes alot of sense now.
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i think arnold was already millionaire before his first movie.
if anyone knows, then itll be you, have you read something on this?
maybe not before hercules goes bananas, but def. before pumping iron
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Arnold Pwnd them all, and drove mentzer insane. he is the original Getbigger.
He told mentzer "you have a weak chest and fat stomach!!" to his face, that's gangster.
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I remember reading years ago where Arnold and Joe Weider made a real estate deal in Colorado and made a $10m profit. Supposedly this is how Arnold initially became a millionaire
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Arnold Pwnd them all, and drove mentzer insane. he is the original Getbigger.
He told mentzer "you have a weak chest and fat stomach!!" to his face, that's gangster.
I don't think he said anything about Mentzer's chest, or fat stomach as such. The comment was something more along the lines of, "Come on, Mentzer, we all know Frank beat you last year because you let your stomach hang out all the time."
Something like that, anyway.
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Zane is a cocky guy and when Arnold suggested that winning the Olympia for the third time must made him feel the best ever Frank smugly replied that no, beating Arnold for the Universe in Miami in 1968 was a bigger thrill. That pissed Arnold off. Guys like Arnold are already motivated so adding fuel to the fire is not ...
Silly little swimmer shouldn't have pissed off the great Arnold like that. Serves him right.
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Arnold still bigger than all of them
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LMFAO ;D
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ok when we were backstage, Arnold starting giving Mentzer a hard time about his training theory and his gut...
Mike got pissed, Arnold got into his head and he wanted a piece of Arnolds ass...thank god Ken was there to help Arnold. Its not that Arnold wouldnt fight, but he just wanted Mike to go over the edge, and he did.
I was in great shape, I would have given it to Roger Walker, I always thought he had a great build.
The reason Arnold won, is that when we look at him, we dont see his condition, we see what he used to look like. Thats why he won, he is the greatest
in everyones head.
and yes, zane broke his trophy...mike would never be the same...and I retired as well.
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ok when we were backstage, Arnold starting giving Mentzer a hard time about his training theory and his gut...
Mike got pissed, Arnold got into his head and he wanted a piece of Arnolds ass...thank god Ken was there to help Arnold. Its not that Arnold wouldnt fight, but he just wanted Mike to go over the edge, and he did.
I was in great shape, I would have given it to Roger Walker, I always thought he had a great build.
The reason Arnold won, is that when we look at him, we dont see his condition, we see what he used to look like. Thats why he won, he is the greatest
in everyones head.
and yes, zane broke his trophy...mike would never be the same...and I retired as well.
which competitor were you?..sorrry...I don't come to this part of the board often..my apologies
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and that my friend will remain a secret, but who cares about the old days...
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and that my friend will remain a secret, but who cares about the old days...
okay..fair enough..but I don't understand what the big secret is..you should say who you are so you can get the respect you deserve..but I understand
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and that my friend will remain a secret, but who cares about the old days...
I for one care about the old days,which have shaped modern Bodybuilding! Who are you?
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and that my friend will remain a secret, but who cares about the old days...
Holy shit. Your one of the pioneers. You should be more vocal sir. More stories from the good ol days please.
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I was in great shape, I would have given it to Roger Walker, I always thought he had a great build.
..and I retired as well.
Hi, Roger! ;D
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ok when we were backstage, Arnold starting giving Mentzer a hard time about his training theory and his gut...
Mike got pissed, Arnold got into his head and he wanted a piece of Arnolds ass...thank god Ken was there to help Arnold. Its not that Arnold wouldnt fight, but he just wanted Mike to go over the edge, and he did.
I was in great shape, I would have given it to Roger Walker, I always thought he had a great build.
The reason Arnold won, is that when we look at him, we dont see his condition, we see what he used to look like. Thats why he won, he is the greatest
in everyones head.
and yes, zane broke his trophy...mike would never be the same...and I retired as well.
You are not Vince Basile, are you in this picture though? :D
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/MikeMentzer_65808.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209989.0;attach=246108;image)
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and that my friend will remain a secret, but who cares about the old days...
Can you compare the aura of Arnold in bodybuilding back then to anyone else in bodybuilding? Was he as big of an asshole as most have heard?
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the winner is the one who best represents the sport - and NOT the bes tphysique.
Titus could get out of prison, run some crazy stack, win the NY Pro and enter the O and destroy everyone onstage - he ain't getting the title.
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Arnold Pwnd them all, and drove mentzer insane. he is the original Getbigger.
He told mentzer "you have a weak chest and fat stomach!!" to his face, that's gangster.
THIS ^ x 10000
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i think arnold was already millionaire before his first movie.
if anyone knows, then itll be you, have you read something on this?
Arnold already had cash, he had real estate, he made money all the while from his courses, seminars, advertising all his products in weider mags back in the day, and when Joe tried to get clever, about the money he was making on the side, plus favourable advertising rates,he sued him. Always the businessman, from day one.
I don't know if he was a millionaire in cash, but he had money already
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ok when we were backstage, Arnold starting giving Mentzer a hard time about his training theory and his gut...
Mike got pissed, Arnold got into his head and he wanted a piece of Arnolds ass...thank god Ken was there to help Arnold. Its not that Arnold wouldnt fight, but he just wanted Mike to go over the edge, and he did.
I was in great shape, I would have given it to Roger Walker, I always thought he had a great build.
The reason Arnold won, is that when we look at him, we dont see his condition, we see what he used to look like. Thats why he won, he is the greatest
in everyones head.
and yes, zane broke his trophy...mike would never be the same...and I retired as well.
Did you actually do the 80 show ? Or were you just backstage on the day ?
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ok when we were backstage, Arnold starting giving Mentzer a hard time about his training theory and his gut...
Mike got pissed, Arnold got into his head and he wanted a piece of Arnolds ass...thank god Ken was there to help Arnold. Its not that Arnold wouldnt fight, but he just wanted Mike to go over the edge, and he did.
I was in great shape, I would have given it to Roger Walker, I always thought he had a great build.
The reason Arnold won, is that when we look at him, we dont see his condition, we see what he used to look like. Thats why he won, he is the greatest
in everyones head.
and yes, zane broke his trophy...mike would never be the same...and I retired as well.
please share your stories Sir
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please share your stories Sir
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Zane,Mentzer,Boyer etc remained friends and used to talk about IFBB INJUSTICE right after the 1980 MrO until Mentzer passing in 01'. There's a lot of interesting stories about Franco and Arnold BS. But guys like Zane won't talked about in public because anyone who does simply becomes "the bad guy"..... Arnold is too popular powerful to be even questioned.
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Zane and arnold were pretty close, these "he said, she said" stories, are magazine propaganda
Obviously the guys were upset with 80 and 81, its obvious what happened, but arnold sells, that's what weider is all about, the mr olympia contest was created by the weiders towards an end, a marketing, money-making end for themselves
Boyer coe actually thought he was going to be mr olympia, mentzer was also sure he himself was the clear winner, especially with all the mags building him up after 79, and then zane got injured, but out of nowhere the blue eyed boy comes back, and "oh fuck!" Shattered dreams...
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There's no denying his legacy in bodybuilding and the attention he brought to it, but the 1980 Olympia fiasco was just one in a series of events--the latest being his marital infidelities--that prove that Arnold is a self-serving egomaniac.
I don't agree with him on much, but what Valentino said in Bigger, Stronger, Faster about celebrities and how they act when the cameras aren't rolling was spot-on.
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There's no denying his legacy in bodybuilding and the attention he brought to it, but the 1980 Olympia fiasco was just one in a series of events--the latest being his marital infidelities--that prove that Arnold is a self-serving egomaniac.
I don't agree with him on much, but what Valentino said in Bigger, Stronger, Faster about celebrities and how they act when the cameras aren't rolling was spot-on.
what he said?
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Here is my 2 part article on the 1980 Mr. Olympia -
http://www.rxmuscle.com/articles/john-hansen/3854-the-most-controversial-mr-olympia-part-1.html
http://www.rxmuscle.com/articles/john-hansen/4672-the-most-controversial-mr-olympia-1980-revisited.html
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Haha!!!
"Natural" O!!!!!
That cracks me up every time I see it.
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Haha!!!
"Natural" O!!!!!
That cracks me up every time I see it.
It's a riot!! ::)
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Here is my 2 part article on the 1980 Mr. Olympia -
http://www.rxmuscle.com/articles/john-hansen/3854-the-most-controversial-mr-olympia-part-1.html
http://www.rxmuscle.com/articles/john-hansen/4672-the-most-controversial-mr-olympia-1980-revisited.html
thank you John a great read.
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thank you John a great read.
Thanks Donny!
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Reading stories and knowing the real people who are the bodybuilders is entirely two different worlds, sometimes funny and sometimes a shame. I always wanted to look like a super hero ever since I read my first comic book. A huge powerlifter helped me begin lifting, I knew nothing. I weighed 135 at six ft even. In a year, I got to 185 and people started asking me if I lifted weights. Remember, bodybuilding was thought to be homosexual back then. I was afraid to purchase bodybuilding magazines for fear of being accused of being homo...
I was one of the few bbs that actually had a career and education. I was able to bodybuild because I was single.
I will say this, if you saw tom platz at the gym in warm ups, you would never know he was a bodybuilder. I was at the world gym in santa monica talking with Zabo...the guy Zane was working out with dwarfed Zane. Now Szkalak, he was a big boy...but he fucked with weider and lost. If you saw Dont Make Waves, you saw me. No not Draper...another great bb.
Guys, I just noticed some pms you sent, give me time...peace.
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I got a pm asking about my favorite bbers...there were alot of amateurs that never made it to pro...but I thought Dave Draper was amazing when he was larger, he became more symetrical with age. A humble boy, alot was thrown at him and he ended up a slave to the bottle and lost it. Many 70-80s bbers have been passed over, I think those were the best years. It was still attainable, now bbers are huge, big guts, and barely able to move.
Remember not too long ago when the AAU Mr America was held in high esteem, you had to perform weight lifting moves even to compete as a bodybuilder.
Where ever I go, I am asked if I lift weights, only being 230 at my age and "natty" hahahahahahaa
anyway, Boyer Coe...yes even I thought he would be a Mr Olympia...crazy muscles, very angular, crazy legs and calves, and back and arms!!!
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If you say you 'retired' from bodybuilding after 1980 Mr O then you are the only person highlighted in the graphic below. Other than 'him', every competitor entered a BB contest after the 1980 Mr. Olympia.
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I dont recall saying that I retired after the show...I thought I said that I was there as in backstage.
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Amazing thread, keep them coming Oldman...
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and yes, zane broke his trophy...mike would never be the same...and I retired as well.
I inferred from this statement...but if you mean you retired from BB in general after that ..then you could be anyone cause none of you still compete lol
.... damn I thought I caught you Arnold ...you are the King !!!!
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also in recent interviews Arnold does refer to himself many times as 'an oldman' ...just like in his new movie, its the catch phrase actually of the whole film. lol ....
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If you say you 'retired' from bodybuilding after 1980 Mr O then you are the only person highlighted in the graphic below. Other than 'him', every competitor entered a BB contest after the 1980 Mr. Olympia.
Hmmmm, oldman also says that he's 6ft tall. That's gotta narrow it down.
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Hmmmm, oldman also says that he's 6ft tall. That's gotta narrow it down.
is this gonna turn inot another gh15?
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If you saw Dont Make Waves, you saw me. No not Draper...another great bb.
The only two top bodybuilders besides Dave Draper in Don't Make Waves were Reg Lewis and Chester Yorton. Chet is 6 feet, not sure about Reg but I think he is shorter than that.
I met Chet in LA at a gym in Santa Monica in October 1968.
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We all thought Sharon Tate was a doll in those days. Pretty, nice body and athletic. She died not long after that movie. A pity.
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ok when we were backstage, Arnold starting giving Mentzer a hard time about his training theory and his gut...
Mike got pissed, Arnold got into his head and he wanted a piece of Arnolds ass...thank god Ken was there to help Arnold. Its not that Arnold wouldnt fight, but he just wanted Mike to go over the edge, and he did.
I was in great shape, I would have given it to Roger Walker, I always thought he had a great build.
The reason Arnold won, is that when we look at him, we dont see his condition, we see what he used to look like. Thats why he won, he is the greatest
in everyones head.
That's heavy. So you are. . .
and yes, zane broke his trophy...mike would never be the same...and I retired as well.
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So oldman you are. . .
1980 Mr Olympia
Place Prize Name Points Posedown Total
1 $25,000 Arnold Schwarzenegger 295 5 300
2 Chris Dickerson 290 2 292
3 Frank Zane 291 0 291
4 Boyer Coe 280 0 280
5 Mike Mentzer 280 0 280
6 Roger Walker 277 0 277
7 Roy Callender 277 277
8 Dennis Tinerino 276 276
9 Tom Platz 271 271
10 Danny Padilla 260 260
11 Ed Corney 256 256
12 Tony Emmott 254 254
13 Roy Duval 252 252
14 Casey Viator 252 252
15 Samir Bannout 251 251
16 Ken Waller 249 249
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He didn't say he was in the contest but was back stage in 1980. I don't remember seeing Chet there but just about everyone who was anyone in bodybuilding was at the Olympia in Sydney that year.
He said he was in the movie Don't Make Waves. Draper, Lewis and Yorton were the 3 top bodybuilders in that movie.
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I dont recall saying that I retired after the show...I thought I said that I was there as in backstage.
That's what I thought
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Chet is 73 I think. He beat Arnold in the Mr Universe in 66.
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"ok when we were backstage, Arnold starting giving Mentzer a hard time about his training theory and his gut...
Mike got pissed, Arnold got into his head and he wanted a piece of Arnolds ass...thank god Ken was there to help Arnold. Its not that Arnold wouldn't fight, but he just wanted Mike to go over the edge, and he did.
I was in great shape, I would have given it to Roger Walker, I always thought he had a great build.
The reason Arnold won, is that when we look at him, we dont see his condition, we see what he used to look like. Thats why he won, he is the greatest
in everyones head.
and yes, zane broke his trophy...mike would never be the same...and I retired as well."
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Guys, the way this is phrased, Oldman is implying that #1 HE WAS A COMPETITOR and #2 HE RETIRED AFTER THE 1980 MR. OLYMPIA.
Perhaps that's not what he intended to convey to us but that's clearly what is implied.
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Good Detective-Work Basile!
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Oldman was only 24 in 1980.
He stated his age as 56 in a post from August, 2012.
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Oldman was only 24 in 1980.
He stated his age as 56 in a post from August, 2012.
If he was being truthful here, oldman is either. . . hang tight. . .
Wow. It makes no sense. None of the 1980 Mr Olympia competitors was 24 years old on stage. Both Samir and Tom Platz were only 25, but neither retired after the 1980 Olympia.
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His birthdate is June 19, 1956.
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There's no denying his legacy in bodybuilding and the attention he brought to it, but the 1980 Olympia fiasco was just one in a series of events--the latest being his marital infidelities--that prove that Arnold is a self-serving egomaniac.
I don't agree with him on much, but what Valentino said in Bigger, Stronger, Faster about celebrities and how they act when the cameras aren't rolling was spot-on.
The problem isn't his ego it's his competency.
He didn't wanna hurt his name, so he wouldn't acknowledge that he was competing until the judges already told him he had it in the bag.
THe late entry etc, was nonsense.
The fact of that matter is arnold acted like a spoil brat. He'd be like gretzky coming out of retirement in the 3rd period in a game that was already won.
The fact of the matter is, arnold is was and always will be a hack. He had a great body, but otherwise couldn't act, couldn't lead, afraid to compete, and a horrible parent.
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His birthdate is June 19, 1956.
so he was about ten years old when he was a movie star.
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According to oldmans profile he lives in Chandler Arizona,is at least 6 foot tall,which narrows the list of competitors down in the 80 Olympia.Most of them are 5" 6`,some under that,some dead which only leaves Arnie,waller or Walker.
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Ken Waller is 6 feet and was at the Olympia in 1980. He looks like an old man now but is 70.
Roger Walker is about 5' 8". Ken beat Roger in 1975 for the IFBB Mr Universe title.
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I read that ken waller was a bit of a hard guy..could look after himself.
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Chet is 73 I think. He beat Arnold in the Mr Universe in 66.
CHET YORTON LOOKS UNREAL HERE! VERY GOOD BUILD!
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CHET YORTON LOOKS UNREAL HERE! VERY GOOD BUILD!
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According to oldmans profile he lives in Chandler Arizona,is at least 6 foot tall,which narrows the list of competitors down in the 80 Olympia.Most of them are 5" 6`,some under that,some dead which only leaves Arnie,waller or Walker.
Jesus Christ the guy is pulling your legs. His old posts show he was a kid of 24 in 1980 who had only ever been to world gym once in 1979 after moving from Florida to California. He was never in sydney in 1980 let alone backstage or onstage.
He spent 20 years in the Air Force and now spends his time chasing women around Arizona. He competed in the 2008 sr masters at the npc "natural" western USA on march15.
He did predict jay cutler would comeback and beat Dexter in 2009.
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No, 1980 doesn't count. Null and void. 6x Mr. O. Dorian is the better 6x Mr. O. Arnold is a prick.
Agreed, that win was a fucking gift. Arnold looked flat and lanky and should have maybe placed fourth.
Love the famous -Mentzer pointing his finger at Arnold - picture. Arnie lookeded scurred. ;D
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Agreed, that win was a fucking gift. Arnold looked flat and lanky and should have maybe placed fourth.
Love the famous -Mentzer pointing his finger at Arnold - picture. Arnie lookeded scurred. ;D
Arnold looked like a world famous 6 time Mr Olympia who was toying with some nobodies fragile mind.
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Arnold looked like a world famous 6 time Mr Olympia who was toying with some nobodies fragile mind.
YEAH,,,AND YES IT WAS A DIFFERENT ARNOLD ,,AND WOULD HAVE LOOKED AWESOME GIVEN LONGER TIME TO GET READY,,EVEN THAT SAID IN 8 WKS LOOK WHAT HE DID,,AND CAME INTO CONDITION THE TIMES CALLED FOR 'ZANE'CONDITION ,,HE HAD AB CUTS HE NEVER SHOWED AT HIS BIGGEST ,STRIATIONS IN PECS,HE LOOKED SMALLER,SMOOTHER IN SOME SHOTS AND LEGS SUCKED BUT HE HAD THE ARNOLD STANDOUT PARTS NEEDED TO WIN,,,THE OTHER GUYS TOP 5 WERE GREAT TOO NO QUESTION...
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Agreed, that win was a fucking gift. Arnold looked flat and lanky and should have maybe placed fourth.
Love the famous -Mentzer pointing his finger at Arnold - picture. Arnie lookeded scurred. ;D
Didn't look scared to me, calm, legs crossed not given a fuck, really.
@ WIGGS -there was no late entry, he enetered a month before, he just let everyone know the day before.
@ Tommy, so are you suggesting "oldman" is fucking with us?, if so NOT COOL
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so guys remember, I have to protect my identity, this is the internet. that said, if you remember the magazine advertisements for the olympia, in 1980, as I recall Arnold was not on the poster. I told a friend, he is going to surprise everyone and compete...and he did.
Zane had a theory that Arnold was the king and you would have to beat him, not just come in your best. the judges see arnold as unbeatable, so someone would hae to destroy him. we know that is not possible. so arnold won, who else could.
its not anymore surprising than when franco won his height class with no legs, nobody quit over that.
nothen, if you are curious who I am...if you remember Lance Dreher, I live in the same state he lives in now. If you dont know who he is, dont google him. you are not a bodybuilding fan, just a poser.
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so guys remember, I have to protect my identity, this is the internet. that said, if you remember the magazine advertisements for the olympia, in 1980, as I recall Arnold was not on the poster. I told a friend, he is going to surprise everyone and compete...and he did.
Zane had a theory that Arnold was the king and you would have to beat him, not just come in your best. the judges see arnold as unbeatable, so someone would hae to destroy him. we know that is not possible. so arnold won, who else could.
its not anymore surprising than when franco won his height class with no legs, nobody quit over that.
nothen, if you are curious who I am...if you remember Lance Dreher, I live in the same state he lives in now. If you dont know who he is, dont google him. you are not a bodybuilding fan, just a poser.
there are plenty of galleries of the 2008 natural western usa on the Internet too dude.
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The dates and numbers of oldmans post (this thread's post and others) don't make sense. He cant easily prove me wrong by posting a single picture.
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The dates and numbers of oldmans post (this thread's post and others) don't make sense. He cant easily prove me wrong by posting a single picture.
I have a picture of when he competed in Arizona on March 15, 2008 as he stated in one of his posts.
Looks like shit.
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I read that ken waller was a bit of a hard guy..could look after himself.
He would have "gassed" in a fight, bodybuilders cant fight properly.
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He would have "gassed" in a fight, bodybuilders cant fight properly.
pretty sure most of Waller's fights didn't last very long.
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He would have "gassed" in a fight, bodybuilders cant fight properly.
Bodybuilders of today sure, but back then (70's) bodybuilders were horses, also they use to run for cardio not like today's lazy bloated bodybuilders that walk on the tread mill for cardio, lol.
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so guys remember, I have to protect my identity, this is the internet. that said, if you remember the magazine advertisements for the olympia, in 1980, as I recall Arnold was not on the poster. I told a friend, he is going to surprise everyone and compete...and he did.
Zane had a theory that Arnold was the king and you would have to beat him, not just come in your best. the judges see arnold as unbeatable, so someone would hae to destroy him. we know that is not possible. so arnold won, who else could.
its not anymore surprising than when franco won his height class with no legs, nobody quit over that.
nothen, if you are curious who I am...if you remember Lance Dreher, I live in the same state he lives in now. If you dont know who he is, dont google him. you are not a bodybuilding fan, just a poser.
I know Lance is from Illinois don't know if he still lives there!
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so guys remember, I have to protect my identity, this is the internet. that said, if you remember the magazine advertisements for the olympia, in 1980, as I recall Arnold was not on the poster. I told a friend, he is going to surprise everyone and compete...and he did.
Zane had a theory that Arnold was the king and you would have to beat him, not just come in your best. the judges see arnold as unbeatable, so someone would hae to destroy him. we know that is not possible. so arnold won, who else could.
its not anymore surprising than when franco won his height class with no legs, nobody quit over that.
nothen, if you are curious who I am...if you remember Lance Dreher, I live in the same state he lives in now. If you dont know who he is, dont google him. you are not a bodybuilding fan, just a poser.
dreher had sick arms and forearms...good build,,
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I know Lance is from Illinois don't know if he still lives there!
Correct. In the late 80's and 90's Lance was a teacher in Naperville, Ill.
Excellent arms. Strange structure, long torso, short legs. Excellent bodybuilder.
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Arnold's abs were really on point for 1980...
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Arnold's abs were really on point for 1980...
yes he had wide waist genetically but his abs and condition in his better bodyparts had a look they never had before,,,arnold never had sunken cheeks like this show due to the norm zane pioneered ,,,other's were ripped in that period too 77/80..but zane brought it a bit more to the contest stage,,,
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EXCELLENT OLD SCHOOL PICTURE!
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If oldman states that he competed that day then like I said, based on what he has written then he is only describing Arnold. If he states that he was just backstage that day hanging out not in the contest then it could be any number of BB not worth mentioning about. hahaha I can't believe you guys actaully thing this 'oldman' is anyone important...show your face if you are.
Serge Nubret showed his face here...the greatest BB to ever post on getbig. RIP Serge.
KING Arnold the gig is up.
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I know Lance is from Illinois don't know if he still lives there!
Lance lives in Arizona, he does a fitness radio show there.
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The dates and numbers of oldmans post (this thread's post and others) don't make sense. He cant easily prove me wrong by posting a single picture.
if his stats on here are true, then he was a child of ten or 11 when 'Dont Make Waves' was filmed. he says he was in great shape at the 80 O and that he retired after it, but doesn't say he competed in it.
quite certainly a serious bodybuilding fan, but probably nobody any of us (other than Vince) would have heard of.
especially considering the elementary diet questions he needed advices on in 2008
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if his stats on here are true, then he was a child of ten or 11 when 'Dont Make Waves' was filmed. he says he was in great shape at the 80 O and that he retired after it, but doesn't say he competed in it.
quite certainly a serious bodybuilding fan, but probably nobody any of us (other than Vince) would have heard of.
especially considering the elementary diet questions he needed advices on in 2008
My thoughts as well.
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Gh15 redux.. More Trolls here than in the Hobbit.
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Vince = oldman.
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Vince = oldman.
account has been going since 2006 with pretty consistent info about this guy until he suddenly says he was at the 1980 Mr O.
From his posts he talks about being a stud with the milfs and hates gays to the point he has some latent issues in that department.
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account has been going since 2006 with pretty consistent info about this guy until he suddenly says he was at the 1980 Mr O.
From his posts he talks about being a stud with the milfs and hates gays to the point he has some latent issues in that department.
Amazing, how people will post things on this site, almost knowing they will get called on their lies.
I guess oldman = moosejay or suckmumuscle.
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Despite the revelations by oldman, certain things remain the same... Arnold will always prove to be Número uno, Frank Zane will remain to be a whiney bitch and Vince Basille will be the delusional old fart :D
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Despite the revelations by oldman, certain things remain the same... Arnold will always prove to be Número uno, Frank Zane will remain to be a whiney bitch and Vince Basille will be delusional ole fart :D
hahahaha and Mentzer went isane, Zane smashed his trophy, Coe turned in his IFBB card, etc.
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Despite the revelations by oldman, certain things remain the same... Arnold will always prove to be Número uno, Frank Zane will remain to be a whiney bitch and Vince Basille will be the delusional old fart :D
LoL. AVBG was totally owned by me when we met a few years ago. The guy looked like a swimmer or a table tennis player!
Oldman is Waller. Can't be anyone else. He lives in Arizona and he was back stage at the Olympia because they had the athletes meeting there. Peter McCarthy was supposed to judge but got there late so Paul replaced him with Arnold's mate Brendan Ryan. He won a junior contest whereas Peter was several times Mr Australia and Mr Southern Hemisphere. Had Peter's score been used Arnold might not have won in 1980. I was talking to Peter and Frank Burwash when suddenly Peter found out the judges meeting was being held. He wasn't happy I can tell you because he wasn't informed about when it was supposed to be. Typical Paul Graham confusion.
You can see Pete in the photo where Mentzer is confronting Arnold. He has dark hair and is to the left of Mike's head. There is Waller next to Arnold.
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Cumontaefuck, it canny be Waller. Oldguy says he is still in good shape whereas Waller is a wee ginger bawbag nowadays who couldnt get his hole in a brothel.
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Few inconsistencies in the story
maybe oldman is deliberately throwing people off
or he's talking shit
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Few inconsistencies in the story
maybe oldman is deliberately throwing people off
or he's talking shit
talking shit
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Oldman posted a pic of himself in 2009 when he and Chaos were having a spat.
I also found a pic of him competing in 2008.
He is a bald, ugly dude with less muscle and more fat than he thinks he has.
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LoL. AVBG was totally owned by me when we met a few years ago. The guy looked like a swimmer or a table tennis player!
Oldman is Waller. Can't be anyone else. He lives in Arizona and he was back stage at the Olympia because they had the athletes meeting there. Peter McCarthy was supposed to judge but got there late so Paul replaced him with Arnold's mate Brendan Ryan. He won a junior contest whereas Peter was several times Mr Australia and Mr Southern Hemisphere. Had Peter's score been used Arnold might not have won in 1980. I was talking to Peter and Frank Burwash when suddenly Peter found out the judges meeting was being held. He wasn't happy I can tell you because he wasn't informed about when it was supposed to be. Typical Paul Graham confusion.
You can see Pete in the photo where Mentzer is confronting Arnold. He has dark hair and is to the left of Mike's head. There is Waller next to Arnold.
You get dumber by the hour.
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Waller is much older than "oldman" claims to be. Plus oldman seems mellow, Waller was always an asshole so he would most likely be an even bigger asshole on the internet.
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LoL. AVBG was totally owned by me when we met a few years ago. The guy looked like a swimmer or a table tennis player!
Oldman is Waller. Can't be anyone else. He lives in Arizona and he was back stage at the Olympia because they had the athletes meeting there. Peter McCarthy was supposed to judge but got there late so Paul replaced him with Arnold's mate Brendan Ryan. He won a junior contest whereas Peter was several times Mr Australia and Mr Southern Hemisphere. Had Peter's score been used Arnold might not have won in 1980. I was talking to Peter and Frank Burwash when suddenly Peter found out the judges meeting was being held. He wasn't happy I can tell you because he wasn't informed about when it was supposed to be. Typical Paul Graham confusion.
You can see Pete in the photo where Mentzer is confronting Arnold. He has dark hair and is to the left of Mike's head. There is Waller next to Arnold.
I am sorry Vince but that picture of AVBG kills any versions of your physique, it just does. The guy is peeled with quality muscle.
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LoL. AVBG was totally owned by me when we met a few years ago. The guy looked like a swimmer or a table tennis player!
Oldman is Waller. Can't be anyone else. He lives in Arizona and he was back stage at the Olympia because they had the athletes meeting there. Peter McCarthy was supposed to judge but got there late so Paul replaced him with Arnold's mate Brendan Ryan. He won a junior contest whereas Peter was several times Mr Australia and Mr Southern Hemisphere. Had Peter's score been used Arnold might not have won in 1980. I was talking to Peter and Frank Burwash when suddenly Peter found out the judges meeting was being held. He wasn't happy I can tell you because he wasn't informed about when it was supposed to be. Typical Paul Graham confusion.
You can see Pete in the photo where Mentzer is confronting Arnold. He has dark hair and is to the left of Mike's head. There is Waller next to Arnold.
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I liked your article in Robert Kennedy's MUSCLEMAG ANNUAL "Arnold's Olympia" (I still have it!!). I believe you said in the article If Peter McCarthy had been a judge, Chris Dickerson would have been Mr. Olympia 1980, can you imagine the expression on Arnold's face then??
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Zane was nowehere near his best because of hospital stay and muscle loss
Arnold was probably the best. Platz was overlooked, he deserved higher
For some reason, mentzer and coe both thought they were mr olympia that day
Zane even with his injury and hospital stay was the most ripped he ever was. I think he said he weighed 184lbs that day. Coe looked fantastic but standing by Dickerson or Arnold he wasn't the winner. Mentzer was just delusional despite the incredible publicity he had in his prime. He was easily the most written about bodybuilder in the late 70's and 1980. Platz was not at his best shape this contest. Seriously watch the film. Arnold standing by anyone that day looked second rate except Dickerson who looked carved out of ice.
Again Mentzer's publicity at the time was insane. When Robby and Kalman beat him for the Universe in respective years they were clearly better yet there are so many saying the opposite that leaves me thinking did you see the same contest? I was a major fan of Mentzer yet through mature eyes I see he wasn't the winner in the Universe when Robby won. He wasn't the winner when Kalman beat him. He deserved 5th at the 1980 Olympia too. Arnold, Coe, Dickerson, Zane were better.
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Zane even with his injury and hospital stay was the most ripped he ever was. I think he said he weighed 184lbs that day. Coe looked fantastic but standing by Dickerson or Arnold he wasn't the winner. Mentzer was just delusional despite the incredible publicity he had in his prime. He was easily the most written about bodybuilder in the late 70's and 1980. Platz was not at his best shape this contest. Seriously watch the film. Arnold standing by anyone that day looked second rate except Dickerson who looked carved out of ice.
Again Mentzer's publicity at the time was insane. When Robby and Kalman beat him for the Universe in respective years they were clearly better yet there are so many saying the opposite that leaves me thinking did you see the same contest? I was a major fan of Mentzer yet through mature eyes I see he wasn't the winner in the Universe when Robby won. He wasn't the winner when Kalman beat him. He deserved 5th at the 1980 Olympia too. Arnold, Coe, Dickerson, Zane were better.
Hey look guys! ^^ it's Joe Weider! :D ;)
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Threads of the 1980 Mr.O are useless without pictures.... ;D
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'I would have traded places with defending champ, Zane but I hear he just smashed his 3rd place finisher trophy about 5 mins ago, so there you have it."
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Arnold's legs were really smooth in that contest
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Zane even with his injury and hospital stay was the most ripped he ever was. I think he said he weighed 184lbs that day. Coe looked fantastic but standing by Dickerson or Arnold he wasn't the winner. Mentzer was just delusional despite the incredible publicity he had in his prime. He was easily the most written about bodybuilder in the late 70's and 1980. Platz was not at his best shape this contest. Seriously watch the film. Arnold standing by anyone that day looked second rate except Dickerson who looked carved out of ice.
Again Mentzer's publicity at the time was insane. When Robby and Kalman beat him for the Universe in respective years they were clearly better yet there are so many saying the opposite that leaves me thinking did you see the same contest? I was a major fan of Mentzer yet through mature eyes I see he wasn't the winner in the Universe when Robby won. He wasn't the winner when Kalman beat him. He deserved 5th at the 1980 Olympia too. Arnold, Coe, Dickerson, Zane were better.
Zane was smaller and flat. Had zane been in 79 shape or bigger as claimed pre-accident, no way anyone else wins
Mentzer believed his own pub
Coe was deluded
Wasn't dickersons time yet, his streak started then, he won everything under the sun after that, and culminated with a late gift in 82, past his prime. Was he better than arnold? IMO, condition-wise,yes, definitely, but it was Arnold.. And arnolds superior size, height, name and the fix won it
Platz was ripped, but upper body lagged
Bannout was smooth, holding water
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Boyer's the most non-delusional person who ever competed...
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454706.0;attach=500932;image) :)
Sydney yes, 1980? no.
Wooossshhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Arnold- ' I think Mentzer is still in that room"
Franco " Forrget about heem, I take him if he keeps scaring you"
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still wish Mentzer had knocked the cockiness out of the "Oak".. i would have put my money on Mentzer, Arnold was a gob shit.
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Arnold was reluctant NOT to do poses/flex next to Mentzer both on and off stage.... Of course you won't see that cause the "real" footage never aired......
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still wish Mentzer had knocked the cockiness out of the "Oak".. i would have put my money on Mentzer, Arnold was a gob shit.
arnie is looking down
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Well at the end of the day the only guys on here who REALLY knew Mike and Arnold are Guys like Vince and a couple of others.. most of us just go by film footage and interviews and media propaganda.. i enjoy reading their posts(from the Guys on here who met them and know )
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Arnold never had the best legs, but in 1980 they were even smaller and smooth!
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arnie is looking down
Nobody dared giving an anrgy Prime-Mentzer eyecontact
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SOME SHOTS ARNOLD LOOKS GREAT POSED HARD,AND AHOWING DETAIL HE NEVER HAD,,,RELAXED AND ARMS DROOPED AND SHOLDERS DOWN HE LOOKED A BIT DOWN/FLAT ,,OVERALL HE GOT IT DONE ,ITS THE WAY HE WENT INTO THE SHOW THAT PISSED PEOPLE OFF.
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Threads of the 1980 Mr.O are useless without pictures.... ;D
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they all felt betrayed because Arnold lied to them
not true.
reason they boycotted was because of Arnolds influence on the judges and Weider. Mr. o 81 also a gift to Franco because of Arnolds influence on Weiders.
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That was some fucking lineup, I forgot how good Callendar was!
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Arnold looks great up above......side chest shot.....backstage.
Zane's tris look pretty damn awesome!
and how about Dennis Tinerino!!!!
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Arnold looks great up above......side chest shot.....backstage.
Zane's tris look pretty damn awesome!
and how about Dennis Tinerino!!!!
Arnold's calves and condition were great as well.
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Arnold's calves and condition were great as well.
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Hipolito, can you critique Mentzer's physique, and do you think it was a political decision to place him 5th??? I know you've been to contests, so I'd appreciate your opinion...
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Hipolito, can you critique Mentzer's physique, and do you think it was a political decision to place him 5th??? I know you've been to contests, so I'd appreciate your opinion...
. I honestly think it was a political decision he placed so poorly........ Rewind to 1980 and youll see that the whole year was about Frank ( current champ) and Mentzer an alternative new force not necessarily a Weider boy" who was growing in popularity in the same way as Serge or Sergio did before him. Arnold was out of picture,Lou was doing the Hulk,Franco was injured ,Sergio and Serge were simply out of the IFBB umbrella..... So it was Mike Mentzer reign about to begin with new era (decade) he was freakier than Zane,Dickerson etc and he had the looks that sells magazine, even the Weider mustache" as many used to joke around Weiders offices. Not to mention how eloquent and persuasive he was.......On his Physique, his chest while lacking, wasn't really a weak point back then as it has become after the Internet era .....it's hard to say if he could have won. Everyone says Arnold won cause he had better arms than Chris, but so did Mike. You could ask 5 people on the audience that day and they will give you 5 different names!!! No one dominated yet the current champ,Zane ended up in 3rd place. Had Mike won or finished second in 1980 he probably would have taken the tittle from Columbu Dickerson and Bannout in following years....Mike never reached his peak he retired in his 20's.
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Arnold's calves and condition were great as well.
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. I honestly think it was a political decision he placed so poorly........ Rewind to 1980 and youll see that the whole year was about Frank ( current champ) and Mentzer an alternative new force not necessarily a Weider boy" who was growing in popularity in the same way as Serge or Sergio did before him. Arnold was out of picture,Lou was doing the Hulk,Franco was injured ,Sergio and Serge were simply out of the IFBB umbrella..... So it was Mike Mentzer reign about to begin with new era (decade) he was freakier than Zane,Dickerson etc and he had the looks that sells magazine, even the Weider mustache" as many used to joke around Weiders offices. Not to mention how eloquent and persuasive he was.......On his Physique, his chest while lacking, wasn't really a weak point back then as it has become after the Internet era .....it's hard to say if he could have won. Everyone says Arnold won cause he had better arms than Chris, but so did Mike. You could ask 5 people on the audience that day and they will give you 5 different names!!! No one dominated yet the current champ,Zane ended up in 3rd place. Had Mike won or finished second in 1980 he probably would have taken the tittle from Columbu Dickerson and Bannout in following years....Mike never reached his peak he retired in his 20's.
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i saw dennis tinerino guest posing in 82 at bill pearls gym in summit,NJ. he looked great and was a cool dude
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. I honestly think it was a political decision he placed so poorly........ Rewind to 1980 and youll see that the whole year was about Frank ( current champ) and Mentzer an alternative new force not necessarily a Weider boy" who was growing in popularity in the same way as Serge or Sergio did before him. Arnold was out of picture,Lou was doing the Hulk,Franco was injured ,Sergio and Serge were simply out of the IFBB umbrella..... So it was Mike Mentzer reign about to begin with new era (decade) he was freakier than Zane,Dickerson etc and he had the looks that sells magazine, even the Weider mustache" as many used to joke around Weiders offices. Not to mention how eloquent and persuasive he was.......On his Physique, his chest while lacking, wasn't really a weak point back then as it has become after the Internet era .....it's hard to say if he could have won. Everyone says Arnold won cause he had better arms than Chris, but so did Mike. You could ask 5 people on the audience that day and they will give you 5 different names!!! No one dominated yet the current champ,Zane ended up in 3rd place. Had Mike won or finished second in 1980 he probably would have taken the tittle from Columbu Dickerson and Bannout in following years....Mike never reached his peak he retired in his 20's.
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Excellent analysis in depth chief!! I somehow suspect Joe Weider would have had a much tougher time preventing Mike from winning in 1981 against Franco... or even 1982, by then he WOULD have won.
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its three decades and more ago . amazing .
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arnold in his memoirs sais his comeback was not the wisest decision he made . a confession of humility untypical to arnold .
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arnold in his memoirs sais his comeback was not the wisest decision he made . a confession of humility untypical to arnold .
Is not being an act of "humility".... he knows that the 1980 Mr.O will always be the "stain in his bodybuilding jacket" ...
Out of every legend/elite of bodybuilding, Only Franco and Platz think he should have won in 1980; and that hurts his ego.....
Arnold might be the greatest but Lee Haney won 8 times the Mr.O, and dominated 8 times.... no boycott,lies,'traffic of influence"bribery, enemies, not a single negative comment from any competetor but love and admiration for the awesome Lee....
From Reg Park,Yorton,Bill pearl to Yates,Ray,Coleman, they all think "1980 Mr.O Sydney opera house" was a joke
Again only Franco and Tom tell Arnold he was the best bodybuilder standing on his last showing.
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lee is lees rakish than arnold . arnold a more complex personality . i still prefer ti watch the oak at his peak in 1974 1975 than lee haney at his best eventhough i dont deny lee haney greatness . . yes mr o 1980 was a strange thing .
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reg park thought that arnold was a great winner in 1980 . he was arnold hero . the others i cant say .