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it's been a long ass time since i used that stuff but man i think that was the most powerful pre workout drink ever, it was pulled from the market a while back.
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It gave you a serious kick!!!!
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i started using it after seeing that ad where they had the two guys training and filmed their lifts before and after and the dude was curling 150lb. dumbells, remember that ad?
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It was good stuff! I think they pulled it from the shelves because it had ephedra in it.
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It was good stuff! I think they pulled it from the shelves because it had ephedra in it.
if it did it didn't have any effect on my appetite, i would take that shit before a heavy leg or chest workout and eat everything that wasn't nailed down post workout.
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OMG! That was THE BEST pre-workout supplement.... EVER! Boy, how I miss it. :'(
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I used to play rugby and the whole team would take a swig of UO out of a large bucket placed on the floor of the changing room 30 mins before kick off. It used to be mixed by the coach.
We would play and run about like animals but it did'nt help us win many games. I guess you cant improve what you don't have. :'(
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i think one can still buy designer protein and iso ^ 3 soo why exactly did they take ultimate orange out of production i dunno?
however popping 2 ephedrine pills with a pepsi gives almost the same effect... ;)
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i think one can still buy designer protein and iso ^ 3 soo why exactly did they take ultimate orange out of production i dunno?
however popping 2 ephedrine pills with a pepsi gives almost the same effect... ;)
Does anybody know of any other products on the market that give you this kind of kick? I usually just take a few pro plus tablets. ???
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'ultimate' was legendary.
the ad went somethin liike 'mix, drink , EXPLODE' :)
it was also a favourite of clubbers before a night out .... gave a nice foundation before canin Es.
i tried the old dymetadrine extreme as a replacement when UO was pulled ... but nothin seemed to work as much.
that stuff turned me into a tazmanian devil.
id love to find a dusty old warehouse with a few cases of that s'hit gatherin dust in a corner.
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i think one can still buy designer protein and iso ^ 3 soo why exactly did they take ultimate orange out of production i dunno?
however popping 2 ephedrine pills with a pepsi gives almost the same effect... ;)
2 ephedrine pills with pepsi ??? No way that was would have the same effect as U.O....I believe there was like 50-75 eph alkaloids+ it was a powder mix...worked almost instantly...good shit....to bad the goverment destroyed it!
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You sure you were suppose to drink it?
(http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/1e/7e/Mr_Clean_Multi-Purpose_Cleaner_in_Ultimate_Orange-resized200.jpg)
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almost as good as coke!!!
(kidding kidding................. ....)
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it's been a long ass time since i used that stuff but man i think that was the most powerful pre workout drink ever, it was pulled from the market a while back.
who made it
why did it get pulled
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Dan Duchane had a hand putting it togther------- it was a electro lite carb formula with a shit load of ephedrine in it , and thats why it was banned !!!
It was good though, simple but damm effective !!!
I bet he made some dosh out of it, probibly more than when him and Bill Phillips distributed gear all around the states !!!!
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Dan Duchane had a hand putting it togther------- it was a electro lite carb formula with a shit load of ephedrine in it , and thats why it was banned !!!
It was good though, simple but damm effective !!!
I bet he made some dosh out of it, probibly more than when him and Bill Phillips distributed gear all around the states !!!!
the ephedrine got it taken off the shelf
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Anyone tried Ergopharm AMP? A couple of AMP's with ephedrine is incredible, almost too good.
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2 ephedrine pills with pepsi ??? No way that was would have the same effect as U.O....I believe there was like 50-75 eph alkaloids+ it was a powder mix...worked almost instantly...good shit....to bad the goverment destroyed it!
dont knock it till ya try it...i drink it with jolt cola...except jolt is hard to find...
(http://www.sodapopreview.com/Images/Colas/Jolt%20Cola%20.png)
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o yeah forgot..Dan D once recommended this herb "dong chong" as a stimulant instead of ephedrine...
if i remember his exact words he wrote it gave him a "white light" level of focus...
http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/dongchongxiacao-properties.htm
(http://www.morningstarhealth.com/store/media/pf_codyceps.JPG)
i'd figure it'd be available at the asian market
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i still have a bottle i saved it when i heard they were going to discontinue it
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it's been a long ass time since i used that stuff but man i think that was the most powerful pre workout drink ever, it was pulled from the market a while back.
Yeah, I remember. It had tons of caffeine and ephedrine. It was the only thing, ever, that made me feel like on meth. Very, very powerful stuff. The last time I bough it was way back in 2000. I think the FDA discontinued it, due to the very high ephedrine content(up to 60mg per dose). Great product...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That stuff was great. It was the first workout supplement I ever bought and if it was still around I'd probably still be buying it. Weider had a product out back then called Heat or something like that. It was the worst tasting shite I have ever put down my gullet.
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I first took that in 1995,it made you train like crazy.I used to take two teaspoons before the workout,then in the summer i was catching a flight at 5am to Ibiza,so the guys from the club that i worked at decided to go straight from work to the airport.I went home and mixed 2 spoons,then 2 more,then 2 more,and finally 2 more.I didn`t blink for 2 days.We started to get people who just went raving coming into the gym and buying tubs of it,then selling it in wraps in the nightclubs.
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I didn`t blink for 2 days..
sure it wasn't crystal? :-\
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I used to drink Ultimate Orange and pop a Ephedrine pill 1/2 hour before a noon workout, I'd still be shaking and waking in circles until 8 PM... Great workouts though...
You can still buy Ephedrine, which is very strong..
(http://www.netnutri.com/prodimg/90977100339.jpg)
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Ultimate Orange was awesome.
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Why all the good stuff gets banned.
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You can always use the real thing
(http://www.drugscope.org.uk/wip/7/PDFS/Amphetamine%20powder.jpg)
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Why all the good stuff gets banned.
Because the goverment cant make any money of of it...sad but true...god bless America ;)
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Didnt they find trace amount of D-Bol in ut as well?
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I used to get it from Dan's company in 95. Along with a case of UO, I used to get Iso-cube, the original Muscle Milk. When you bought from Dan's co. he would always include 2 gram vials of Nubian, free. I didn't know what it was for a year till someone informed me. After the next few orders the Nubian stooped. When I asked why, He told me the feds had turned into a scheduled 3 drug, so no more OTC Nubian, but you could get it for a year for only 10 a gram, free with large orders. RIP Danny Boy :'(
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is there any ephdra or ephedrine available anywhere that does not have guanifissin (sp) in it?
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You can get 25 mcg ephedrines in most gas stations. 100 ct for like $8 at least in NC.
The FDA is suppose to take the ban off ephedra so hopefully UO will be back. It would get your ass pumped.
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why would one want their "ass pumped"?
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I used to get it from Dan's company in 95. Along with a case of UO, I used to get Iso-cube, the original Muscle Milk. When you bought from Dan's co. he would always include 2 gram vials of Nubian, free. I didn't know what it was for a year till someone informed me. After the next few orders the Nubian stooped. When I asked why, He told me the feds had turned into a scheduled 3 drug, so no more OTC Nubian, but you could get it for a year for only 10 a gram, free with large orders. RIP Danny Boy :'(
nubian ??? are you actually talkin about NUBAIN??
if he was sendin out free nubain ... what a corrupt, evil bastard he was.... f'uckin hell talk about tryin to get his customers hooked!
if he was tryin to hook is customers on nubain .. im glad he died a miserable , premature death!
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;D
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When i first started training about 12/13 years ago i used to see Ultimate Orange all the time. A few months back a guy i worked with was talking about it (a guy who's never trained but still knows of it). I tried to find it online a couple of days later but to no avail.
I guessed it had been discontinued or why, but i never realised it was such potent stuff.
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Well there's been a few products that really worked because of the amount of epehdrine, Ultimate Orange being one of them, Up your gas (from Hot Stuff) another.
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it's been a long ass time since i used that stuff but man i think that was the most powerful pre workout drink ever, it was pulled from the market a while back.
I used that stuff too.....made my heart beat too fast, but it woke me up fo sho!
MOS
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I miss the good stuff.
Now it is just caffeine, caffeine and 8mg of ephedrine. Stupid Ban.
Effects us Canadians too.
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Ultimate Orange, from what I know, was taken off the shelf (stopped making it) by the manufacturer well before the ephedra ban. I believe that lawsuit(s) had something to do with this - and they decided to stick with protein,bars, etc. instead and also save themselves the insurance money.
UO had 20 MG of ephedra per serving. The thing is, they had this chart on the can of body-weight VS amount to use. So the average BBer would use like 2-3 servings based on this chart. Look out.
Ultimate Orange Caps were also very powerful. They were actually the only softgels on the market. That meant that the absorption was faster and more complete. Add to that the most powerful list of ingrediants on the market and you had a winner.
Ultimate Punch was out for about 18 months before it was also pulled. It was 25% MORE powerful (read: more stimulents and ephedra) than the orange flavor. It also tasted WAY better and seemed to mix much more smoothly (less clumping). I believe that it way a reddish can with a picture of a boxing glove "punching" on it.
Unfortuneatly, a poor replacement (non-ephedra version) of UO came out later. They were single serving (like the ABB drinks) and were weird flavors - like teas and stuff. Nobody carried them. And since Speed Stack, Thermo S25, Ripped Force, Etc were still on the market nobody wanted the new crappy UO. Speed Stack was the same price and a much better "rush".
As for getting the same ruch, I suggest Thermo Gen II (w/ephedra) by Sci-fit (I know that mysupplementstore.com has it). Otherwise, Redline by VPX isn't too bad either.
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its supposed to give an ephedrine like effect..
without the jitters..
or thats what Dan duchaine said...
try it out and report back to us...
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I found a picture:
(http://supplementhookup.com/images/nextultpunch.jpg)
Keep this thread going, what alternatives today do you think will have any effect?
Personally I'm not so keen on using something every time I hit the gym but I would consider having a couple of bottles in the fridge for the days I wanna set a PR or just being tired.
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I take Vasapro. It seems to help do longer periods of cardio
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it's been a long ass time since i used that stuff but man i think that was the most powerful pre workout drink ever, it was pulled from the market a while back.
I loved that shit, I use to take it before high school football games.
I would kick ass until the 4th quarter, then I would crap up like Paul Dillet.
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Dong chong is the herb...just google it fuckers...must i do everything >:(
and no its not like MaHung <sp?>..ephedrine come from mahung...
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Dong Chong Xia Cao is a dried Caterpillar fungus used in traditional Chinese medicine. People that have used it as a stimulant, report ho-hum results.
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what about that stuff(almost illegall)it was pretty decent back in the 90,s
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nubian ??? are you actually talkin about NUBAIN??
if he was sendin out free nubain ... what a corrupt, evil bastard he was.... f'uckin hell talk about tryin to get his customers hooked!
if he was tryin to hook is customers on nubain .. im glad he died a miserable , premature death!
Yeah Dan was a complete asshole and evil bastard.
But he did make bodybuilding interesting. I still remember those article from Muscle Media 2000. MD can never touch what they had. Anyone remember the late Dr X??/ :D
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Anyone tried Ergopharm AMP? A couple of AMP's with ephedrine is incredible, almost too good.
Ergopharm AMP is the shit...I take 4 caps and i'm flying....Better than ultimate orange ever was..
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I do 3 caps of AMP and it kicks the shit out of everything else I have ever tried. Redline RTD's are good too, but nothing touches AMP IME.
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damn the ultimate orange formula is so easy to replicate...I can make a home version of it cheaply and easily..and it will probally be better tasting as well.
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Imagine that you youngsters, a time in bodybuilding when supplements actually WORKED, and the anabolics were all REAL. LOL!!!! RIP Dan Duchaine, you evil genius. Hope you found the calm that eluded you here.
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I found a picture:
(http://supplementhookup.com/images/nextultpunch.jpg)
Keep this thread going, what alternatives today do you think will have any effect?
Personally I'm not so keen on using something every time I hit the gym but I would consider having a couple of bottles in the fridge for the days I wanna set a PR or just being tired.
I might add that Ultimate Punch was simply a better product. Better taste and it didn't have that gritty feel in my mouth. But please remember this about these UO products - you ended up taking the equivalent of like 3 servings of a fatburner in 1 serving of UO. You would be saying Ripped Fuel, Hydroxycut, Charge, etc was the best ever if they suggested you take 3 times the correct serving amount like in UO.
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I might add that Ultimate Punch was simply a better product. Better taste and it didn't have that gritty feel in my mouth. But please remember this about these UO products - you ended up taking the equivalent of like 3 servings of a fatburner in 1 serving of UO. You would be saying Ripped Fuel, Hydroxycut, Charge, etc was the best ever if they suggested you take 3 times the correct serving amount like in UO.
exactly...
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Is this the one you're talking about?
(http://www.supletech.com/supplements_images/AMP_ergolean.jpg)
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It's fucked up i'm always too late to get my hands on the good stuff.
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Is this the one you're talking about?
(http://www.supletech.com/supplements_images/AMP_ergolean.jpg)
that's the shit..Best energy supplement eva.. :o
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here everyone just fill out the info..to try ergopharm AMP FREE..So you have nothing to lose by trying it...
http://www.ergopharm.net/ampsample.php
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Yeah Dan was a complete asshole and evil bastard.
But he did make bodybuilding interesting. I still remember those article from Muscle Media 2000. MD can never touch what they had. Anyone remember the late Dr X??/ :D
i remember DR X..he commited suicide..poor sap..
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i remember DR X..he commited suicide..poor sap..
who was dr X????????
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Here is a link to Sci-fit ThermoGen II. I highly suggest it. Look at the ingredient list - plus it has ephedra.
http://www.mysupplementstore.com/thiiwepbysc.html
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who was dr X????????
used to write for MM2k..he had aids..he ws a big proponent of anabolix for aids patients...big proponent of oxandralone if i remember right..maybe TC laouma will read this and shed more light..
TCs running testosterone mag now right?
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Thanks for the link Gamma,but its USA only,but i have found a supplement store online here in the UK that sells it.In your opinion how many capsules of this do you need to take to get the same feeling as 2 teaspoons of UO.And does this contain ephidrine,or just give you the same feeling as ephidrine.
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Thanks for the link Gamma,but its USA only,but i have found a supplement store online here in the UK that sells it.In your opinion how many capsules of this do you need to take to get the same feeling as 2 teaspoons of UO.And does this contain ephidrine,or just give you the same feeling as ephidrine.
I take four caps because i'm a long time stimulent abuser..You may start with 2 and work your way up from there..Amp provides a calm euphoric feeling. Nicest feeling by far of any thermogenic i've ever tried..Not a jittery ephedrine feeling..It's also made by Dan Duchaine's understudy who knew more about steriods than dan in Patrick Arnold...
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Cheers Gamma,so do you take this as well as ephidrine.?And does it keep you awake the same as ephidrine does.On the UK site the cost is £29.99 for 90 caps,about $50,is that roughly what price you pay in the states.
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Cheers Gamma,so do you take this as well as ephidrine.?And does it keep you awake the same as ephidrine does.On the UK site the cost is £29.99 for 90 caps,about $50,is that roughly what price you pay in the states.
the typical amp serving is 2-4 caps...4 caps works best for me...If i add an ephedrine, it kills the mellow (Jacked) amp feeling i get from the amp..Amp is also a great appetite suppresant..4 caps works all day. Amp contains chocamine and its half life is a lot longer than regular caffeine. The price is about 29.95 from US based online discounters..
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Thanks for the info mate,it sounds like it might work out cheaper for me to order from the USA,even with the increased shipping costs.
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who was dr X????????
Wasn't there a Mr. X on the Simpsons? Any pics?
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http://www.medibolics.com/nelson2.htm
My first issue of Muscle Media 2000 arrived. I read it hungrily. To my surprise and delight, there was an article there written by an HIV+ doctor named "Dr. X"! This doctor had gotten out of his "death bed" and regained 40 pounds and his health back by using anabolic steroids! I called my friends in L.A. and told them that we had to get through to this Dr. X guy. My friend Preston spent the next two days networking on the phone. He called me back with the good news - he had found Dr. X's phone number. I did not hesitate to call him. He returned my call and we talked for an hour. His real name was Michael Dullnig, M.D. He was a psychiatrist on disability. What a delightful, smart, passionate man! I became his number one fan
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Hell im 18 years old and have heard of ultimate orange before... Hmm im hoping i can find it at a flea market someday or something.
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didnt he play for SYRACUSE
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Does anybody here have an UO left - or rationed? How about the caps or Punch?
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A friend of mine directed me to this board as I was an acquaintance of Dan Duchaines during the last 5 years of his life.
I don't want to post a long boring narrative but I figured if anyone was interested I would tell them what I knew about him.
Interesting man with varied interests beyond bodybuilding.
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he liked his recumbent bikes and porn !!!!
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You must have known him as he did like recumbent bikes. Not sure why but he would talk non stop about them.
Another interest was acoustics and stereo speakers. He seemed determined to design a better set of stereo speakers.
Interesting guy....
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A friend of mine directed me to this board as I was an acquaintance of Dan Duchaines during the last 5 years of his life.
I don't want to post a long boring narrative but I figured if anyone was interested I would tell them what I knew about him.
Interesting man with varied interests beyond bodybuilding.
So is it true he was still addicted to Nubain at the time of his death?
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A friend of mine directed me to this board as I was an acquaintance of Dan Duchaines during the last 5 years of his life.
I don't want to post a long boring narrative but I figured if anyone was interested I would tell them what I knew about him.
Interesting man with varied interests beyond bodybuilding.
Do tell us some things - just some stuff that would be interesting (the speaker stuff is good). Also, who did he hang around with and who didn't he like too much?
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Duchaine competed as a bicyclist in Maine for many years. He also seemed interested in high performance, whether it be bikes, watches, audio or bodybuilding.
On the nubain thing, later in life he felt a bit guilty about pushing it so much. If you can find the "Danarchey" articles he wrote for www.qfac.com, he wrote about his experiance with it.
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He would sit for hours n hours in his dressing gown(robe)relaxed on Nubain and listen to music via his amazing stero system and/or talk bikes or chemistry---- his brain was a amazing thing !!!
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Not sure who Dan did or didn't like but when I would hang out with him he seemed somewhat sick of bodybuilding. He said " I am so over it" when I asked him where he thought it would go in the future.
I think he was burnt after going to prison and all the BS.
He liked to speak on anything technical, engineering, acoustics, etc. If you had any sort of technical knowledge he would engage you in conversation. He seemed to detest the usual " who has the best calves", etc...
You are correct about him being from Maine, I remember him visiting his sister or mother back there. They had a house he would visit.
I am not sure if Dan was addicted to Nubain. He was a very private person and would give you only small pieces of information as he trusted you more. He never seemed to be Jonesing for it but it was always there. Keep in mind that I probably saw him once a month for dinner, etc..
He did seem to want people to indulge whether that be Nubain, AAS, or GHB. He seemed to want to conquer me in that I did none of those substances and he overtly wanted me to try them. He offered me free Nubain, AAS and GHB but I only tried the GHB which made me nauseous unless I ate food before taking it. It wasn't really my thing unless I was having sex. It made sex way better but otherwise I don't like to be doped up.
The AAS issue was unique in that Dan offered it to me free of charge and would supervise everything. I knew this is an offer most BB'ers would die for but I wear a suit at work, work in the medical field and can't be 260 bursting out a suit. It just wouldn't work for me. I remember he kept saying the supplements I was taking were worthless and I could make better gains on one cycle with him than I have in the last 10 years.
Our only disagreement was in regards to Nubain as he pitched it to me as a relaxant, gets you mellow and I knew it was an opiate, a chemical cousin to Heroin and I knew this stuff was bad news. I was pissed he would so casually offer me something so dangerous and told him so. I remember he wanted me to inject it intramuscularly and not intravenously, like IM was somehow not as serious as IV. Either way, it wasn't for me and he dropped it.
As far as the guys on this board are concerned it is pretty cool to have a friend who would come over with cases of Designer Protein, UO, etc.. I must have had 30-40 cans of each in my house and had to tell him to stop as I filled a walk in closet with all the powders.
He would also use me as a Guinea Pig when he was brewing up new batches of Ultimate Orange, Ultimate Punch and ISO 3 which he called ISO Cubed. It was actually a good product but I am not sure if it ever got to market. I was also his Guinea Pig for a chemical called DNP which is a fat burner. I took it like an idiot in some pills Dan put together himself and I thought my head was going to melt off my shoulders. It was the only time in my life I ever considered going to the emergency room.
I also remember him writing a diet or training book and he would let me check out the chapters before he submitted them. He also asked for my input on the cover photo which I thought was unmarketable. I am not sure if it ever was published but he seemed determined to finish it so I am guessing he had a publisher.
Dan was interesting but dangerous. He was knowledgeable on many different subjects but he left a wake of destruction behind him of the followers who would do as he said no questions asked. Manly chicks which I saw firsthand, drugs, etc...
My roomate worked with Dan at Next Nutrition and took Dan up on his offer of free GHB and it eventually sank him. He got hooked, was delusional with hallucinations and was eventually commited to a hospital.
Once he got out he was sent to a halfway house and one day he just didn't wakeup. I think the cause of death was probably kidney failure but I never confirmed it as I isolated myself after he died.
I was pretty much done with Dan at this time and we only spoke one more time after my friend passed away. As you know a few years later he died.
There are other stories I can remember but some I am not sure I am comfortable sharing but he lived his life well and probably saw more than most of us ever will.
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Oh no please do tell, it would be a facinating insight to a facinating individual, especialy some stories about dan and the women !!
And dont worrie no one on here will tell any one--- and besides no reads "getbig" any how ;)
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I'd rather this not turn into Penthouse Forum but he did have his hanger ons and they were usually around.
From what I remember there were always houseguests, usually female and they idolized him as "the steroid guru".
I guess every sport/activity has their groupies and the girls always seemed to be a little disturbed, kind of like lost souls.
If you wanted to partake Dan was always eager to hook you up. He seemed to take pleasure in setting you up and the girls were easy pickings as they had no money and lived hand to mouth often staying with him or friends for extended periods of time.
Women love cash more than abs and I have been lucky in that area over the last ten years so it helped me out quite a bit.
I'm not overly partial to hyper muscular women but it is certainly an eye opener and something I look back on and chuckle at now that I am married and boring.
I also remember Dan liked escorts and introduced me to a lady who you would never have guessed was an escort. Very proper, well read, etc..
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Wow, Ultimate Orange.......now there's a flashback. Good stuff.
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Wow, Ultimate Orange.......now there's a flashback. Good stuff.
digging up a 2 year old thread? go back to important shit, like flamming that homo "aishole"
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digging up a 2 year old thread? go back to important shit, like flamming that homo "aishole"
He wasn't quick enough on the draw, my mind wandered. :P
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ultimate organge was great stuff, you never lifted that hard pushin that much weight on anything.
dong chong ive taken it and felt sick, I got a headache and chest was tight.
Phillips, wrote about it before Dan D actually, in 1996 I think.
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Dan Duchaine
R.I.P
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:D
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lol dan is funny guy... i bet he trained like a sisssy
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This is old but Ultimate Orange was the boss. It probably took several years off my life but I had some great workouts
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This is old but Ultimate Orange was the boss. It probably took several years off my life but I had some great workouts
shit was insane.
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it's been a long ass time since i used that stuff but man i think that was the most powerful pre workout drink ever, it was pulled from the market a while back.
That was a Dan Duchaine Formula. ;)