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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2014, 08:55:53 PM »

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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2014, 09:38:23 PM »
Russian casualties are estimated in the 20,000,000 range. Civilian and military combined. And by casualties I mean majority of them being deaths.

that is correct roughly 1/3 of total WW2 casualties.


this is amazing youtube clip with unpublished photos of aftermath of battle for Stalingrad.
Just incredible level of destruction, makes you speechless.


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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2014, 06:41:55 AM »
that is correct roughly 1/3 of total WW2 casualties.


this is amazing youtube clip with unpublished photos of aftermath of battle for Stalingrad.
Just incredible level of destruction, makes you speechless.



Did you watch that new russian made film about stalingrad? It's quite good, a little like enemy at the gates really but still pretty good.

ww2 was truly the most horrible tragedy that ever happened. thankfully, it was not pointless like the first world war.

I don't think anyone can possibly fathom what 50 MILLION dead bodies look like. 50 MILLION. Yes, that is a rough estimate of total loss of life in the second world war. It blows my mind. I have visited many ww1 and ww2 battlefield in france- passchendale, the somme, ypres, omaha and utah beaches. It's just chilling, Truly chilling to think that so many tens of thousands died on the ground where I was walking. And died brutal painful sudden deaths might I add. Farmers in france still turn up old shells and remnants of the wars. I remember walking around in this field that had been recently plowed, and I could literally reach down and pick up shards of metal shrapnel from the dirt. In about 5 minutes I had collected a handful. There were probably some pieces in there that had hit and wounded or killed people. The cemetaries as well, rows and rows and rows of headstones all identical. And the great mausoleums where they ran out of room to put individual bodies, and simply piled them all into one big building; oftentimes, the un identifiable remains were put here.

War truly is the most evil thing in existence. It begins like a grand adventure to many and no one knows the full scale of what will occur, but by the end every party involved has suffered immensely, and thankfully that is why they end.

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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2014, 08:21:19 AM »
We all know why people would have liked to see Germany win.
;D

The reason i thought it was a critical mistake for britain to declare war on germany instead of siding with them against tbe Soviet Union was because the soviet union represented a much greater threat to the western world and way of life.

By siding with germany and allowing them to finish off the soviet union:
Communism is strangled in its cradle and never spreads. The soviet union/cold war never happens. China doesnt go communist. Korean war doesnt happen. Vietnam doesnt happen. The spread of socialist ideology throught the western world maybe doesnt happen. Western europe retains their global empires, the western world and western ideology remains supreme, china is an ally.

By siding with the soviet union against germany:
Western europe is destroyed and left in ruins, britain loses their entire empire and world power status, western europe greatly weakened, western power in the world greatly reduced, soviet union/communism occupies half the continent, soviet union becomes a global superpower, cold war ensues, china goes Red and becomes an enemy/rival, wars in korea and vietnam, north korea happens (lol), socialist ideology spreads around the world, including the west, where it is firmly entrenched to this day.

That is why i wish we hadnt fought germany. The real enemy of the west was always the soviet union.




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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2014, 08:52:16 AM »
;D

The reason i thought it was a critical mistake for britain to declare war on germany instead of siding with them against tbe Soviet Union was because the soviet union represented a much greater threat to the western world and way of life.

By siding with germany and allowing them to finish off the soviet union:
Communism is strangled in its cradle and never spreads. The soviet union/cold war never happens. China doesnt go communist. Korean war doesnt happen. Vietnam doesnt happen. The spread of socialist ideology throught the western world maybe doesnt happen. Western europe retains their global empires, the western world and western ideology remains supreme, china is an ally.

By siding with the soviet union against germany:
Western europe is destroyed and left in ruins, britain loses their entire empire and world power status, western europe greatly weakened, western power in the world greatly reduced, soviet union/communism occupies half the continent, soviet union becomes a global superpower, cold war ensues, china goes Red and becomes an enemy/rival, wars in korea and vietnam, north korea happens (lol), socialist ideology spreads around the world, including the west, where it is firmly entrenched to this day.

That is why i wish we hadnt fought germany. The real enemy of the west was always the soviet union.




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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2014, 10:11:56 AM »
Bollocks
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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2014, 10:47:43 AM »
He is dumb as a box of rocks.

Correct me then 'genius'

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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2014, 09:20:14 PM »
Did you watch that new russian made film about stalingrad? It's quite good, a little like enemy at the gates really but still pretty good.

ww2 was truly the most horrible tragedy that ever happened. thankfully, it was not pointless like the first world war.

I don't think anyone can possibly fathom what 50 MILLION dead bodies look like. 50 MILLION. Yes, that is a rough estimate of total loss of life in the second world war. It blows my mind. I have visited many ww1 and ww2 battlefield in france- passchendale, the somme, ypres, omaha and utah beaches. It's just chilling, Truly chilling to think that so many tens of thousands died on the ground where I was walking. And died brutal painful sudden deaths might I add. Farmers in france still turn up old shells and remnants of the wars. I remember walking around in this field that had been recently plowed, and I could literally reach down and pick up shards of metal shrapnel from the dirt. In about 5 minutes I had collected a handful. There were probably some pieces in there that had hit and wounded or killed people. The cemetaries as well, rows and rows and rows of headstones all identical. And the great mausoleums where they ran out of room to put individual bodies, and simply piled them all into one big building; oftentimes, the un identifiable remains were put here.

War truly is the most evil thing in existence. It begins like a grand adventure to many and no one knows the full scale of what will occur, but by the end every party involved has suffered immensely, and thankfully that is why they end.


Have not seen the new movie about Stalingrad, but I did like 'Enemy at the Gates'. Good movie.

check out this clip, flying over ruins of Berlin in 1945. Amazing footage


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Re: Greatest military invasion in history - Operation Barbarossa
« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2014, 09:29:42 PM »
that is correct roughly 1/3 of total WW2 casualties.


this is amazing youtube clip with unpublished photos of aftermath of battle for Stalingrad.
Just incredible level of destruction, makes you speechless.




damn, the music in that video is incredibly depressing.   :'(