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Unemployment Shoots Back Up
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Unemployment Shoots Back Up
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wasn't there a massive job loss due to Sandy? It's kinda been bouncing up and down for a period of time
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wasn't there a massive job loss due to Sandy? It's kinda been bouncing up and down for a period of time
Always someone elses fault right?
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wasn't there a massive job loss due to Sandy? It's kinda been bouncing up and down for a period of time
Is Sandy to blame? Probably to some degree, although I doubt it's responsible for as high a jump as observed.
Always someone elses fault right?
I know that you perceive a world where things just happen and where the sole and exclusive reason is "Obama!" but back here, in reality, sometimes there are other non-Obama explanations — rational explanations — for things.
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Is Sandy to blame? Probably to some degree, although I doubt it's responsible for as high a jump as observed.
I know that you perceive a world where things just happen and where the sole and exclusive reason is "Obama!" but back here, in reality, sometimes there are other non-Obama explanations — rational explanations — for things.
The numbers were juiced before the election to get O-Crap! re-elected. Now its catching up and set to skyrocket again.
Classic Pump and Dump operation that worked like clockwork for the obamabots..
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wasn't there a massive job loss due to Sandy? It's kinda been bouncing up and down for a period of time
A massive job loss? Sandy affected one portion of one region of this country. LOL.
Fucking drones. ::)
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A massive job loss? Sandy affected one portion of one region of this country. LOL.
Fucking drones. ::)
Citi announced 11k alone yesterday.
UE going to go right back up again and the drones and obama cult members will be like but but but but but but but . . . . . . . .
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The numbers were juiced before the election to get O-Crap! re-elected.
Really?!? Do you have any evidence? You'd imagine that if such doctoring happened someone from the BLS would have spoken up about this; surely not everyone working there is an Obama drone, or even a Democrat and would speak up about such an outrage.
Now its catching up and set to skyrocket again.
If the statistics can be manipulated so easily and nobody talks, why not perpetually keep it artificially low?
Classic Pump and Dump operation that worked like clockwork for the obamabots..
Uh huh...
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A massive job loss? Sandy affected one portion of one region of this country. LOL.
Fucking drones. ::)
Yes I know that, I am attempting to explain an increase in job loss which can partially be explained via a major storm that affected a very densely populated area.
Obviously other factors are at play. Instead of just making a stupid response submit something rational.
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I can't imagine the unemployment rate dipping lower for some time. The manufacturing base in this country is eroded. Jobs for the uneducated and unskilled are gone. A man can't graduate high school and work in a factory making decent money and retire with a pension like many of our fathers did.
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I can't imagine the unemployment rate dipping lower for some time. The manufacturing base in this country is eroded. Jobs for the uneducated and unskilled are gone. A man can't graduate high school and work in a factory making decent money and retire with a pension like many of our fathers did.
CEO's have only to be responsible to the company they run, so outsourcing is ok.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=450305.25 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=450305.25)
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CEO's have only to be responsible to the company they run, so outsourcing is ok.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=450305.25 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=450305.25)
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Humor me. Where in the Constitution does it say they're not allowed to outsource and that they're responsible for the well-being of American citizens?
Good joke. ::)
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Humor me. Where in the Constitution does it say they're not allowed to outsource and that they're responsible for the well-being of American citizens?
Good joke. ::)
Liberals certainly aren't beyond outsourcing. Look at their Hollywood buddies. Ask why more and more of them are making movies in Canada, these days.
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Humor me. Where in the Constitution does it say they're not allowed to outsource and that they're responsible for the well-being of American citizens?
Good joke. ::)
Most of these people have never taken a business law course, have no clue about basic common law, etc.
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Welcome to the new normal.
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Humor me. Where in the Constitution does it say they're not allowed to outsource and that they're responsible for the well-being of American citizens?
Good joke. ::)
Where in the constitution does it say you cant rape women?
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Liberals certainly aren't beyond outsourcing. Look at their Hollywood buddies. Ask why more and more of them are making movies in Canada, these days.
You claim to be an educated man Mcway but your posts doesnt reflect it.
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Where in the constitution does it say you cant rape women?
States individually enact a penal law for common crimes.
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wasn't there a massive job loss due to Sandy? It's kinda been bouncing up and down for a period of time
A lot of companies started laying off literally the day after the "election". Look for this to climb higher as "Obamacare" kicks in. Also, look for more layoffs after Jan 1. What did you think was going to happen? BTW, That 8.3% is closer to 14.
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A lot of companies started laying off literally the day after the "election". Look for this to climb higher as "Obamacare" kicks in. Also, look for more layoffs after Jan 1. What did you think was going to happen? BTW, That 8.3% is closer to 14.
If Romney had been elected it would be different is this your point?
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If Romney had been elected it would be different is this your point?
Yes, business and consumer confidence would have been up and companies would have started hiring as a result of it. I was going to move into a bigger facility but waited until the election to make my decision. Obviously, I'm not moving for AT LEAST a year to see what is probably going to happen. I'm small, big companies have to restructure their entire business plan especially for "obamacare". Do you understand this and how it affects business and employment?
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If Romney had been elected it would be different is this your point?
When UE spikes again will you still blame W?
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You claim to be an educated man Mcway but your posts doesnt reflect it.
What part of his post in about films being outsourced to Vancoover wasn't accurate? I work in the film industry so I can tell you first hand that it's indeed true. Subsidies are the answer and a lot of work has been going to Vancoover, London and now Sydney due to this. It's been difficult for me to keep steady work here in LA, so much that I'll probably end up switching careers, yet again.
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Yes, business and consumer confidence would have been up and companies would have started hiring as a result of it. I was going to move into a bigger facility but waited until the election to make my decision. Obviously, I'm not moving for AT LEAST a year to see what is probably going to happen. I'm small, big companies have to restructure their entire business plan especially for "obamacare". Do you understand this and how it affects business and employment?
So who is president is the factor that define the economy?
Do you really need someone to tell you thats BS?
How did Bush ever fuck up the economy if a GOP politician was president, that shouldnt be possible. Grow a brain.
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When UE spikes again will you still blame W?
The unemployment is the same Bush, Romney or Obama.
To think that the mere pretense of one kind of president can have this impact is ridiculous.
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So who is president is the factor that define the economy?
Do you really need someone to tell you thats BS?
How did Bush ever fuck up the economy if a GOP politician was president, that shouldnt be possible. Grow a brain
Tired of the blame Bush Bullshit and that's exactly what it is, Bullshit. That's what the left wanted.you to believe and you still believe it, sap!the last 6 of the 8 years he was president we had a democratic congress. I did not agree with the stimulus.and I didn't agree with his amnesty. But we had low ue, a booming housing.market all during war time. This was unheard of people like.you fell.for.the.lies.just like you fell for the lies about Palin during the first Obama "election and Romney. Seriously mindless peeons!
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What part of his post in about films being outsourced to Vancoover wasn't accurate? I work in the film industry so I can tell you first hand that it's indeed true. Subsidies are the answer and a lot of work has been going to Vancoover, London and now Sydney due to this. It's been difficult for me to keep steady work here in LA, so much that I'll probably end up switching careers, yet again.
Hehe thanks :)
I was actually referring to Mcway's statement that somehow outsourcing is okay if liberals do it.
Kind of weird to have a set of morals dependant or reflected of a group of people you claim to despise, no?
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Tired of the blame Bush Bullshit and that's exactly what it is, Bullshit. That's what the left wanted.you to believe and you still believe it, sap!the last 6 of the 8 years he was president we had a democratic congress. I did not agree with the stimulus.and I didn't agree with his amnesty. But we had low ue, a booming housing.market all during war time. This was unheard of people like.you fell.for.the.lies.just like you fell for the lies about Palin during the first Obama "election and Romney. Seriously mindless peeons!
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Forget Bush.
You said the state of the economy is directly dependant on you having a repub president in office.
That if we had elected Romney the economy would fix itself.
Thats BS.
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
So why did it crash during Bush then?
No blaming just pointing to the fact he is a republican.
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Unemployment Shoots Back Up
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This was due to Hurricane Sandy......it measures by new unemployment requests and with businesses wiped out in New York, I think that is expected to jump the UE....but only temp.
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Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- NOVEMBER 2012
Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 146,000 in November, and the unemployment
rate edged down to 7.7 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.
Employment increased in retail trade, professional and business services, and health
care.
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Household Survey Data
The unemployment rate edged down to 7.7 percent in November. The number of unemployed
persons, at 12.0 million, changed little. (See table A-1.)
Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men (7.2 percent), adult
women (7.0 percent), teenagers (23.5 percent), whites (6.8 percent), and Hispanics (10.0
percent) showed little or no change in November. The unemployment rate for blacks (13.2
percent) declined over the month. The jobless rate for Asians was 6.4 percent (not
seasonally adjusted), little changed from a year earlier. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)
The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) was little
changed at 4.8 million in November. These individuals accounted for 40.1 percent of
the unemployed. (See table A-12.)
Read more: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
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Look at the previous months all revised down - same w this nonsense a month from now.
More BS from the BLS
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looked at the original post, came from gallup :D :D :D :D :D :D haven't we learn our lesson with gallup :D :D
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Look at the previous months all revised down - same w this nonsense a month from now.
More BS from the BLS
you are so full of it dude.
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you are so full of it dude.
Were they revised lower - YES OR NO?
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you are so full of it dude.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-07/146000-jobs-added-november-beat-expectation-85000-unemployment-rate-lower-77
Eat it
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Look at the previous months all revised down - same w this nonsense a month from now.
More BS from the BLS
Anti-american post reported.
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Hehe thanks :)
I was actually referring to Mcway's statement that somehow outsourcing is okay if liberals do it.
Kind of weird to have a set of morals dependant or reflected of a group of people you claim to despise, no?
I don't have an issue with outsourcing, one way or the other. My point was that liberals (Obama's supporters, in particular) howled about Romney's alleged outsourcing when he was with Bain. Yet, they seem to have no problem when their beloved Hollywood stars and film producers take their talents to the Great White North.
Why? For the same reasons those EEEEEVVVVVVIIIILLLLLL corporations outsource: TO SAVE MONEY!!
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I don't have an issue with outsourcing, one way or the other. My point was that liberals (Obama's supporters, in particular) howled about Romney's alleged outsourcing when he was with Bain. Yet, they seem to have no problem when their beloved Hollywood stars and film producers take their talents to the Great White North.
Why? For the same reasons those EEEEEVVVVVVIIIILLLLLL corporations outsource: TO SAVE MONEY!!
Are hollywood stars/producers buying companies and them loading them with debt while sending the jobs overseas to be done by quasi-slave labor or are they simply shooting at locations in Canada with both Americans and Canadians and paying the same wages and still paying taxes on their income in the US?
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Are hollywood stars/producers buying companies and them loading them with debt while sending the jobs overseas to be done by quasi-slave labor or are they simply shooting at locations in Canada with both Americans and Canadians and paying the same wages and still paying taxes on their income in the US?
Once again, outsourcing is being done for one reason: To save money.
But, since Bain was hardly doing what your question described, that's basically a non-starter. Bain didn't load the companies with debt; they already had it when Bain arrived. Bain's job was to stop the bleeding and get them back on track. For the most part, it succeeded; some fell through the cracks. It happens.
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540k left the labor force.
Cheers from the communist left
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What part of his post in about films being outsourced to Vancoover wasn't accurate? I work in the film industry so I can tell you first hand that it's indeed true. Subsidies are the answer and a lot of work has been going to Vancoover, London and now Sydney due to this. It's been difficult for me to keep steady work here in LA, so much that I'll probably end up switching careers, yet again.
This falls under the adage: Conservatives believe rules are for everybody; liberals believe rules are for everybody.....ELSE!!!
Corporations, outsourcing their labor, is EEEVVVVILLLL.....UNLESS you run a pitiful left-winged news network and support Obama. Then, you get a cushy cabinet job.
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Once again, outsourcing is being done for one reason: To save money.
But, since Bain was hardly doing what your question described, that's basically a non-starter. Bain didn't load the companies with debt; they already had it when Bain arrived. Bain's job was to stop the bleeding and get them back on track. For the most part, it succeeded; some fell through the cracks. It happens.
Canada has had a vibrant movie and television industry for 20+ years
The locations might be cheaper and perhaps less restrictive local laws but they are still paying premium wages and the American actors and crews are still paying US income tax on their earning
Simply no comparison to what Romney did at Bain
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Canada has had a vibrant movie and television industry for 20+ years
The locations might be cheaper and perhaps less restrictive local laws but they are still paying premium wages and the American actors and crews are still paying US income tax on their earning
Simply no comparison to what Romney did at Bain
Or Obama's of his job council ?????
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Canada has had a vibrant movie and television industry for 20+ years
The locations might be cheaper and perhaps less restrictive local laws but they are still paying premium wages and the American actors and crews are still paying US income tax on their earning
Are they? Or do they, like certain corporations have accountants, who know the loopholes to keep as much money as possible?
Simply no comparison to what Romney did at Bain
What Romney did at Bain was save companies (for the most part) from financial ruin.
This is all about Obama and his fellow libs' government-endorsed theft of other people's money.
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Or Obama's of his job council ?????
That's my point. Straw seems to be under the delusion that corporations are just going to stand by and let Obama take their cash, that they don't have the hookups or the emergency outs to dodge the tax laws.
He also seems to believe that these companies won't recoup their losses by jacking up the prices of their products on the American consumers.
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The unemployment is the same Bush, Romney or Obama.
To think that the mere pretense of one kind of president can have this impact is ridiculous.
yep. things woudl look the same today under year 5 of the mccain presidency too.
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140,000 jobs but those considered long term unemployed remained unchanged and the total number of Americans unemployed remained unchanged. Digging deeper into the report you'll see it wasn't very good. I mean, 4 years into a "Recovery" and people are jumping up and down over a weak jobs report is pretty sad.
I guess 1.5 trillion per year in deficit spending/gimmick programs/ZIRP/monetization of debt/800billion in stimulus/payroll tax cuts doesn't buy as much as it used to, huh?
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Are they? Or do they, like certain corporations have accountants, who know the loopholes to keep as much money as possible?
Perhaps the "loopholes" are against the spirit of the law, but they are not against the letter, and the letter is what matters. I do not begrudge anyone who takes advantage of the tax code to its fullest extent to keep their tax bill as low as possible, provided they do so legally.
What Romney did at Bain was save companies (for the most part) from financial ruin.
No. Sorry, that is a complete mischaracterization of what Mitt Romney did at Bain, which was to seek opportunities to make money, and take them when they presented themselves. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and there's no reason to massage that fact into something more "palatable" by making it sound as if it was all about those poor, poor companies Romney and Bain sought to save. Whether, in that process, companies were saved (or ruined) is irrelevant.
As a sidenote, I guess we could debate whether leveraged buyouts qualify as "saving companies from financial ruin." The fact is that sometimes companies genuinely benefit from leveraged buyouts, and go on to prosper; but sometimes they don't, and they go on to bankruptcy. Either way, I don't have any hard numbers and I suspect that you don't either.
This is all about Obama and his fellow libs' government-endorsed theft of other people's money.
I think it's stupid to approach issues with blinders on. There's no one explanation, especially on something as large, fluid and dynamic as the economy of the United States. Government policies in general, and tax policies in particular, carry a big weight to be sure. But they are just one variable in a large and complex multi-variable equation, and many of the variables are interdependent, often in unexpected ways.
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73 percent of new jobs created in last five months are bureaucratic
Hot Air ^ | 12/8/2012 | Erika Johnsen
Posted on December 8, 2012 10:20:19 AM EST by ecomcon
Hey, I’ve got a neat idea — why don’t we just keep growing the government, until we all can have government jobs? That can work, right?
Seventy-three percent of the new civilian jobs created in the United States over the last five months are in government, according to official data published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. …
In the same five-month period since June, the number of people employed by government increased by 621,000 to 20,559,000. These 621,000 new government jobs created in the last five months equal 73.3 percent of the 847,000 new jobs created overall.
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73 percent of new jobs created in last five months are bureaucratic
Hot Air ^ | 12/8/2012 | Erika Johnsen
Posted on December 8, 2012 10:20:19 AM EST by ecomcon
Hey, I’ve got a neat idea — why don’t we just keep growing the government, until we all can have government jobs? That can work, right?
Seventy-three percent of the new civilian jobs created in the United States over the last five months are in government, according to official data published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. …
In the same five-month period since June, the number of people employed by government increased by 621,000 to 20,559,000. These 621,000 new government jobs created in the last five months equal 73.3 percent of the 847,000 new jobs created overall.
These are middle class paying jobs. This is great news!!!!! These people spend all their paycheck into consumer goods!!! Opposite of giving it to a billionaire who hides it in and offshore account and takes it out of circulation......Yay for the middle class...they build america!!!
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These are middle class paying jobs. This is great news!!!!! These people spend all their paycheck into consumer goods!!! Opposite of giving it to a billionaire who hides it in and offshore account and takes it out of circulation......Yay for the middle class...they build america!!!
333... is anti middleclass and pro upperclass.
Classical republican.
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These are middle class paying jobs. This is great news!!!!! These people spend all their paycheck into consumer goods!!! Opposite of giving it to a billionaire who hides it in and offshore account and takes it out of circulation......Yay for the middle class...they build america!!!
It's their money, they can do what ever the fuck they want with THEIR money. Just like you. Want to pay, feel free to whip out your check book and write for a little extra. Again, the same people you bitch about are the same ones you also voted for. How about telling Sharpton who owes millions in back taxes that Obama "consulted" about on this fiscal cliff to pay his back taxes or how about Warren Buffett who is in court fighting because of paying too much? Get your head out of your ass.
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It's their money, they can do what ever the fuck they want with THEIR money. Just like you. Want to pay, feel free to whip out your check book and write for a little extra. Again, the same people you bitch about are the same ones you also voted for. How about telling Sharpton who owes millions in back taxes that Obama "consulted" about on this fiscal cliff to pay his back taxes or how about Warren Buffett who is in court fighting because of paying too much? Get your head out of your ass.
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Its treason. But arent you happy for all the middleclass income flooding our business's with revenue!!!!! Or are you a commie america hater like 33333?
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It's their money, they can do what ever the fuck they want with THEIR money. Just like you. Want to pay, feel free to whip out your check book and write for a little extra.
I agree with Coach on this. Either someone owns property, or they don't. Either someone can do with their money as they please (and that includes putting in an offshore bank and leaving it there) or the money isn't theirs. The only proviso is that they do so legally.
Yeah fuck the country and the economy as long as the billionaires are treated as gods.
It's got nothing with treating billionaires as god. It's got everything to do with whether people's money is theirs. If it is, they can do with it what they please according to their means and desires. If it's not, then the people who think they own other people's money should step up and tell us that.
Its treason. But arent you happy for all the middleclass income flooding our business's with revenue!!!!! Or are you a commie america hater like 33333?
Treason... LOL. What a joke. Get your head out of your ass.
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If you want the most powerful nation to run efficiently it requires money.
If republicans wants to start wars they need to pay the bill like the rest of us.
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obama won the election. that's ALL he cares about. It'll be a nice 48 month vacation for him now. Watch and see. Cruise control.
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Unemployment Shoots Back Up
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7.7 You shitstain