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Title: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: w8tlftr on April 11, 2008, 04:57:40 AM
This is Bush's last chance to strike and, when Iran responds, to effect its nuclear castration. Are Bush and Cheney likely to pass up this last chance to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities and effect the election of John McCain? For any attack on Iran's "terrorist bases" would rally the GOP and drive a wedge between Obama and Hillary.

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Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: headhuntersix on April 11, 2008, 08:32:06 AM
It laid out why and how etc. Bush has a very good reason to launch attacks but poltically and economically this will be a major disaster. Buchanan seems to think this will cause problems for the Dems...not sure about that.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2008, 08:35:31 AM
Is attacking Iran going to stop them from getting nuclear weapons?
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: headhuntersix on April 11, 2008, 08:58:40 AM
I guess the point would be that there would be very little left of Iran's military or those particular plants. I am not in any way in favor of bombing Iran but if the US military is actually allowed to do what we're good at....there won't be much left of Iran's conventional military.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: Mars on April 11, 2008, 09:00:49 AM
Why shouldnt Iran be able to have nuclear weapons too?
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2008, 09:01:57 AM
I guess the point would be that there would be very little left of Iran's military or those particular plants. I am not in any way in favor of bombing Iran but if the US military is actually allowed to do what we're good at....there won't be much left of Iran's conventional military.

I agree, but....

is that going to stop it?

And when they do get some nukes, don;t you think they will be very motivated to just say the "hell with it, we are on a mission from Allah and we will sacrifice our whole country to use these against the USA"?????
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: shootfighter1 on April 11, 2008, 09:06:42 AM
Because their government is currently infiltrated with radical extremists that don't have the same thresholds for use.  I hope the younger generation of Iranians coming up see the world, and their Islamic religion differently.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: War-Horse on April 11, 2008, 09:08:02 AM
Why shouldnt Iran be able to have nuclear weapons too?


Because they will be tempted to protect their country from other countries who are proffesional occupiers......*cough USA cough*....
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: headhuntersix on April 11, 2008, 09:10:23 AM
Well we'd set them back a long way...but  shootfighter1 has been advocating either a popular uprising or other means to diffuse this sitution and i agree. I think we can work to destablize the current government from within. Let them keep crushing the students...at some point if the uprising is big enough, troops will not fire on their own people..but it has to be big enough. Professional occupiers... ::)
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: 240 is Back on April 11, 2008, 09:23:16 AM
could they hit selected targets without throwing the whole gulf into a major mess, stopping the oil flow?

I could care less if we take out lots of bad guys... but stopping the oil flow by destroying the country means $20 per gallon gas here, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: War-Horse on April 11, 2008, 09:26:07 AM
could they hit selected targets without throwing the whole gulf into a major mess, stopping the oil flow?

I could care less if we take out lots of bad guys... but stopping the oil flow by destroying the country means $20 per gallon gas here, doesn't it?



LOL.   Just like we were supposed to benefit from Iraqs oil......prices tripled.. ;D
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: 240 is Back on April 11, 2008, 09:28:33 AM


LOL.   Just like we were supposed to benefit from Iraqs oil......prices tripled.. ;D

Tripled, you are right.  And that's for 5 years. 

Look at 15 or 20 years.  Keeping the iraqi oil pegged in dollars is very valuable too.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: headhuntersix on April 11, 2008, 09:29:33 AM
could they hit selected targets without throwing the whole gulf into a major mess, stopping the oil flow?

I could care less if we take out lots of bad guys... but stopping the oil flow by destroying the country means $20 per gallon gas here, doesn't it?

U could wipe out their navy, hit the plants, destroy as many military bases as u could but the Quds forces could mine the Gulf via rafts or small trawlers, gas will go up. They would cause major attacks inside Iraq. We would destroy their offensive conventional forces, but thats not really the problem.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: Mars on April 11, 2008, 09:33:02 AM

Because they will be tempted to protect their country from other countries who are proffesional occupiers......*cough USA cough*....

exactly, i dont blame them for wanting to have nuclear weapons to protect themselves against countries like Isreal and Usa.
Who are we to decide who can have them and who dont. the best is that no country posseses them.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: headhuntersix on April 11, 2008, 09:34:58 AM
Yeah...because Israel is planning on nuking Iran...right. Or we are as well.....dude what friggen planet are u on.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: War-Horse on April 11, 2008, 09:36:22 AM
Tripled, you are right.  And that's for 5 years. 

Look at 15 or 20 years.  Keeping the iraqi oil pegged in dollars is very valuable too.


Youve got to accept that the dollar will be gone soon, my freind... :-\    This is intentional work of the fed reserve and military to break us into an unfixable state.

I think china is in on it too...
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: War-Horse on April 11, 2008, 09:40:07 AM
Yeah...because Israel is planning on nuking Iran...right. Or we are as well.....dude what friggen planet are u on.



Wow.  i didnt know you were a worldwide telepathic artist. Apparantly you believe you know all countries intentions, 24 hrs a day to eternity.    Amazing.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: headhuntersix on April 11, 2008, 10:09:26 AM
yep..we're the bad guy and Iran is sweet an innocent...i guess u missed the last 27 years.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: War-Horse on April 11, 2008, 10:11:07 AM
yep..we're the bad guy and Iran is sweet an innocent...i guess u missed the last 27 years.


As usual you swing to far.   There is propaganda on both sides.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: Mars on April 11, 2008, 10:15:16 AM
ehh Iran hasnt attacked countries for more than hundred years?
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: Decker on April 11, 2008, 10:23:55 AM
It's already been established that Petraeus is a White House mouthpiece/puppet.

 "...the [Petraeus] report ... would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/08/16/BL2007081601003.html
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: Mars on April 11, 2008, 10:27:19 AM
how surprising ::)
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: calmus on April 11, 2008, 10:31:50 AM

After fucking up in two countries since 2001, they've still got the gumption to suggest attacking another.... testament to how fucked in the head some people are. 
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: headhuntersix on April 11, 2008, 02:35:30 PM
ehh Iran hasnt attacked countries for more than hundred years?

I guess u missed all the terror groups that Iran actively supports. How about our Marines in Lebanon, the hijackings in the 80's. All the attacks launched on Israel. Shall I continue...
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: calmus on April 14, 2008, 08:38:13 AM
I guess u missed all the terror groups that Iran actively supports. How about our Marines in Lebanon, the hijackings in the 80's. All the attacks launched on Israel. Shall I continue...

Like we didn't hear the same crap about IRaq. Look how we solved that problem.


Idiot!
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: Mars on April 14, 2008, 08:43:28 AM
Like we didn't hear the same crap about IRaq. Look how we solved that problem.


Idiot!

and all the atrocities the cia is responsable for.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: calmus on April 14, 2008, 08:53:20 AM
It is absolutely nauseating that these people suggest more war when all our recent wars have been giant failures... perhaps Gulf War I wasn't. 
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: War-Horse on April 14, 2008, 09:03:37 AM
It is absolutely nauseating that these people suggest more war when all our recent wars have been giant failures... perhaps Gulf War I wasn't. 


True.  the US was hungry for excitement back then.   Now were tired, strung out and massive failures, militarily speaking.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: calmus on April 14, 2008, 09:06:48 AM

True.  the US was hungry for excitement back then.   Now were tired, strung out and massive failures, militarily speaking.


Well, morally speaking, there was no ambiguity. It was quite clear that Saddam had rolled up into Kuwait. 

The rest were wars of ideology.... and apparently God was on our side.
Title: Re: Petraeus points to war with Iran
Post by: headhuntersix on April 14, 2008, 12:57:27 PM
What massive military failures...what recent battles have we lost...what disasters..point to them..show me what u mean. All from the lib defeatist playbook...this is the same crap we heard in Vietnam..wasn't true then and is not true now. Kepp up that bullshit...the vets of the war aren't going to take the Lib bullshit like they did after Vietnam.....