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http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/04/ron-paul-tweets-about-seal-snipers-death-he-who-lives-by-the-sword-dies-by-the-sword
Absurd.
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theres nothing absurd about it.
thats one of the smartest things he has ever said.
violence begets violence.
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theres nothing absurd about it.
thats one of the smartest things he has ever said.
violence begets violence.
Ridiculous.
So every person murdered at some point did something in their life to deserve it?
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lol
thats not what he said
he said = live by the sword, die by the sword
which means = if you kill people, you will likely be killed (karma)
make your living by shooting people = end up getting shot .... = sounds like karma
:)
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lol
thats not what he said
he said = live by the sword, die by the sword
which means = if you kill people, you will likely be killed (karma)
make your living by shooting people = end up getting shot .... = sounds like karma
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You ignored my point.
Tons of people die who never did anything wrong - whats their karma?
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who ever claimed that every death was the result of karma ? ;D
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You ignored my point.
You honestly can't be surprised by this.
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who ever claimed that every death was the result of karma ? ;D
So then how does ron paul know this one was by karma?
Kyle was trying to help this guy out from what reports we have seen,
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So then how does ron paul know this one was by karma?
Kyle was trying to help this guy out from what reports we have seen,
he didnt claim to know it was by karma, he just pointed out that the situation fit perfectly with the saying "live by the sword, die by the sword" :) and it does.. :)
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he didnt claim to know it was by karma, he just pointed out that the situation fit perfectly with the saying "live by the sword, die by the sword" :) and it does.. :)
So if I go to a gun range for trap shooting and skeet and some loon kills me its karma? Live by the gun diie by the gun?
How about a salesperson who drives around for new customers and gets run over crossing the street to an appointment? Live by the car die by the car?
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uh, Paul is questioning the logic behind taking someone suffering from a mental disorder to the firing range. It is kinda stupid. Its playing with fire.
Paul isn't saying anything in favor of gun control.
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he didnt claim to know it was by karma, he just pointed out that the situation fit perfectly with the saying "live by the sword, die by the sword" :) and it does.. :)
Actually it doesn't He wasn't engaged in any violence thus no irony which is necessary for the saying to be applicable. The simply fact that he was in possession of a weapon does not translate into living by the sword. He was actually attempting to help a former soldier suffering from PTSD.
Now a gang member who goes out and causes violence and death who in turn is murdered is living and dying by the sword.
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Actually it doesn't He wasn't engaged in any violence thus no irony which is necessary for the saying to be applicable. The simply fact that he was in possession of a weapon does not translate into living by the sword. He was actually attempting to help a former soldier suffering from PTSD.
Now a gang member who goes out and causes violence and death who in turn is murdered is living and dying by the sword.
in the same quote, Paul give the context for his use of the saying as, "Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense" That's what Paul's statement is about, not being in possession of a firearm. Paul is not against that in anyway so to apply his use of the saying to mean that just doesn't make any sense.
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uh, Paul is questioning the logic behind taking someone suffering from a mental disorder to the firing range. It is kinda stupid. Its playing with fire.
Paul isn't saying anything in favor of gun control.
Eggsactly!
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in the same quote, Paul give the context for his use of the saying as, "Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense" That's what Paul's statement is about, not being in possession of a firearm. Paul is not against that in anyway so to apply his use of the saying to mean that just doesn't make any sense.
Exactly. I was answering tbombz misunderstanding of the phrase.
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http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/04/ron-paul-tweets-about-seal-snipers-death-he-who-lives-by-the-sword-dies-by-the-sword
Absurd.
Isnt Ron Paul a little old to Tweet?
I thought i was too old and im not even half his age.
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I don't really see anything wrong with what RP said. It's probably true on more than one level.
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dude is an american hero.
however he should have never brought someone who was batshit crazy with them to the range. guns will make a crazy person, well, crazier!
If you know someone has PTSD, you DONT take them to a gun range to blow off steam.
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dude is an american hero.
however he should have never brought someone who was batshit crazy with them to the range. guns will make a crazy person, well, crazier!
If you know someone has PTSD, you DONT take them to a gun range to blow off steam.
Kind of a stupid statement brah.
Firearms don't have any magical powers that make people go crazy, they're inanimate objects.
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Isnt Ron Paul a little old to Tweet?
I thought i was too old and im not even half his age.
I can't understand why anyone would use "twitter" ::)
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So if I go to a gun range for trap shooting and skeet and some loon kills me its karma? Live by the gun diie by the gun?
How about a salesperson who drives around for new customers and gets run over crossing the street to an appointment? Live by the car die by the car?
Actually it doesn't He wasn't engaged in any violence thus no irony which is necessary for the saying to be applicable. The simply fact that he was in possession of a weapon does not translate into living by the sword. He was actually attempting to help a former soldier suffering from PTSD.
Now a gang member who goes out and causes violence and death who in turn is murdered is living and dying by the sword.
fellas, this guy spent his adult life killing people. he lived by the gun. its how he made his money.
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fellas, this guy spent his adult life killing people. he lived by the gun. its how he made his money.
I gotta agree here,... not saying it's right... but he is walking personification of "lived by the sword, died by the sword". Dude was a warrior, he went out the same way he lived. Such is life.
As far as Paul's quote, I think it was referencing the whole "taking a war traumatized Marine to a firing range" issue.
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Kind of a stupid statement brah.
Firearms don't have any magical powers that make people go crazy, they're inanimate objects.
dude, i've been immersed in the gun cluture for my whole life.
i've been surrounded by crazy people my whole life. half my family on meds, the other half needs them haha.
guns turn an insecure, messed up person into a seriously dangerous as$hole. This is a fact i'll attest to.
if a person has PTSD, you don't surround them with gunfire and hand them a handgun. you take them to a lake, smoke some pot and talk about grandkids, for fcks sake!
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Kind of a stupid statement brah.
Firearms don't have any magical powers that make people go crazy, they're inanimate objects.
firearms, for this nutbag with post-traumatic stress, were a trigger that returned him to some violent place.
kinda foreseeable too.
i know people that are batshit crazy. I meet them at the mall, not the gun range. some folks, you just KNOW they're not all there. I dont talk guns or knives with them. I talk weather and movies.
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I gotta agree here,... not saying it's right... but he is walking personification of "lived by the sword, died by the sword". Dude was a warrior, he went out the same way he lived. Such is life.
As far as Paul's quote, I think it was referencing the whole "taking a war traumatized Marine to a firing range" issue.
from what i understand, twitter has a very short limit on post length. i think ron paul was probably making two separate points.
1) live by the sword die by the sword
2) it wasnt a great idea to have a guy with ptsd at the firing range
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i hate gun ranges, to be honest. its always some mean old guys and some young prick idiots who dont know what the fck they are doing. i actually pay more to shoot at the highly regulated indoor range (where they video monitor and yell at you for rapid fire) cause I know they aren't going to allow that bullshite.
since the whoel 'obaam gonna steeeeeel our guns' thing is all the rage, ranges are full of paranoid ass-hats who dont know what cold range means. :(
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firearms, for this nutbag with post-traumatic stress, were a trigger that returned him to some violent place.
kinda foreseeable too.
i know people that are batshit crazy. I meet them at the mall, not the gun range. some folks, you just KNOW they're not all there. I dont talk guns or knives with them. I talk weather and movies.
that's right,just seen a doctor on tv and said the same thing,but i think i'd listen to the getbig crew they're always right :D :D
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if a person has PTSD, you don't surround them with gunfire and hand them a handgun. you take them to a lake, smoke some pot and talk about grandkids, for fcks sake!
Totally agree, but firearms in and of themselves don't make people crazy.
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Ok, look at this...
"Police records from Lancaster show Routh was taken to mental hospital on Sept. 2 after threatening to kill his family and then commit suicide."
"Dallas police records show Routh was taken back to the same mental hospital Jan. 19 after a woman called police and said she feared for Routh's safety." http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/navy-seal-died-pursuing-passion-18397393
Clearly not someone in a state that should be helped by taking them shooting. Paul is dead on to question why Kyle would take this guy to a gun range. But that's what Kyle was best at and that's how he chose to help Routh and it doesn't make very much sense.
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Still. Low class to tweet that.
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guns will make a crazy person, well, crazier!
One of the dumber statements you've ever said (and that's saying a lot).
How do you know you don't take someone there? Seems like Kyle did this with more than one person. Maybe he found it to be a good way for them to cope with the change back to civilian life?
I know the armchair experts on here think they know everything but it's certainly possible that handling a weapon again was a good way for someone coping with PTSD from battle to feel comfortable again. I'm certainly no expert like all the PhD psychologists on here.
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Still. Low class to tweet that.
no, it probably wasn't the best thing to say but fucking lol at the type of people who think it's so bad they have a fit over it ::) Half the people commenting on this story are saying shit like, "I use to like you Paul, now you're dead to me" or, "I've suported you for years, never again"
real drama queen crybaby shit. ::)
I'm telling mom what you said!!! lol...
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It's still a shitty thing to say.
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well by looking at the results i guess it wasn't to great an idea to bring him to the range to shot guns
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well by looking at the results i guess it wasn't to great an idea to bring him to the range to shot guns
No shit shirlock. But he was doing it trying to help the guy. Its not like Kyle was jacking a bank and got killed.
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lol @ one of the main arguments against Paul's comment on the net is that Paul isn't a mental health proffessional... they're offended Paul would have the gual to suggest what is or isn't the right way to treat ptsd.
OK, where did Chris Kyle get his psychiatry degree then? lol
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lol @ one of the main arguments against Paul's comment on the net is that Paul isn't a mental health proffessional... they're offended Paul would have the gual to suggest what is or isn't the right way to treat ptsd.
OK, where did Chris Kyle get his psychiatry degree then? lol
How about respect for dead and a vet who went to war and killed a shit load of people trying to kill our soldiers?
Ron Paul can eat shit on this - F him.
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How about respect for dead and a vet who went to war and killed a shit load of people trying to kill our soldiers?
Ron Paul can eat shit on this - F him.
You haven't actually addressed anything I've said, not one thing.
LOL, You make this sound like Paul is as bad as Fred Phelps ::)
drama queens...
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I see nothing wrong with the statement at all, just because a man is dead does not mean that it's wrong to question the decisions leading up to his death.
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You haven't actually addressed anything I've said, not one thing.
LOL, You make this sound like Paul is as bad as Fred Phelps ::)
drama queens...
I dont give a rats ass what you said. You dont piss on the dead and vet like this, even if what kyle was doing was not the smartest thing in retrospect. Kyle's heart was in the right place trying to help this guy and Kyle did a shit load more to save fellow troops under danger than Paul ever did, so RP can eat a dick on this.
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Totally agree, but firearms in and of themselves don't make people crazy.
agreed - but ENVIRONMENTS with lots of gunfire, chatting with strangers - and he KNEW this person was a little crazy anyway.
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One of the dumber statements you've ever said (and that's saying a lot).
How do you know you don't take someone there? Seems like Kyle did this with more than one person. Maybe he found it to be a good way for them to cope with the change back to civilian life?
I know the armchair experts on here think they know everything but it's certainly possible that handling a weapon again was a good way for someone coping with PTSD from battle to feel comfortable again. I'm certainly no expert like all the PhD psychologists on here.
Here are the symptoms of people with PTSD (which this man was known to have):
Irritability or anger
Overwhelming guilt or shame
Self-destructive behavior, such as drinking too much
Trouble sleeping
Being easily startled or frightened
Hearing or seeing things that aren't there
Would you hand a loaded gun to a person who was sleep deprived, self-destructive, delusional, and angry?
I sure as fck wouldn't!
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I dont give a rats ass what you said. You dont piss on the dead and vet like this, even if what kyle was doing was not the smartest thing in retrospect. Kyle's heart was in the right place trying to help this guy and Kyle did a shit load more to save fellow troops under danger than Paul ever did, so RP can eat a dick on this.
Ron Paul hasn't jumped the shark, you have.
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agreed - but ENVIRONMENTS with lots of gunfire, chatting with strangers - and he KNEW this person was a little crazy anyway.
That's a situation, not an object.
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it's certainly possible that handling a weapon again was a good way for someone coping with PTSD from battle to feel comfortable again.
Seriously - Do you think handling a weapon is good for someone suffering from PTSD?
QUITE THE OPPOSITE, IN FACT! Handling a gun and hearing gunfire would very possibly actually TRIGGER a PTSD episode. Dude might have been fine fishing or going out for tacoes, but taking him to a shooting range? That could trigger.
See below:
You may try to avoid situations or people that trigger memories of the traumatic event. You may even avoid talking or thinking about the event.
A person who was in an earthquake may avoid watching television shows or movies in which there are earthquakes.
A person who was robbed at gunpoint while ordering at a hamburger drive-in may avoid fast-food restaurants.
Some people may keep very busy or avoid seeking help. This keeps them from having to think or talk about the event.
This guy who was killed was an American hero, no doubt about that. nobody is arguing that.
We know that isn't not a good idea to take someone with PTSD to a place with loud gunfire and hand him a weapon.
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That's a situation, not an object.
okay, then we can amend my statement ... maybe... maybe not. Maybe handing him a gun was fine, but hearing gunshots at range was the trigger?
Either way, we have a person who is Hearing or seeing things that aren't there.... Um, don't give him a gun to make him feel better. Sorry.
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I don't even think it's disrespectful to say he made a really bad choice doing this. Yea, not the best words to choose by Paul, but gimme a break.
3333 thought Paul jumped the shark before the primary was even over. He swore Paul off then which is probably the case with everyone else making a mountain of a molehill out of this.
If you want to get mad at some disrespectful shit being said about Kyle, go look at the shit being said on gossip lol...
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I don't even think it's disrespectful to say he made a really bad choice doing this. Yea, not the best words to choose by Paul, but gimme a break.
3333 thought Paul jumped the shark before the primary was even over. He swore Paul off then which is probably the case with everyone else making a mountain of a molehill out of this.
If you want to get mad at some disrespectful shit being said about Kyle, go look at the shit being said on gossip lol...
333 was right about how paul engaged in political malpractice in the primary - he is his own worst enemy
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Does anyone else here believe it might be therapeutic or healthy to take a person suffering from PTSD from war experiences to a gun range?
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Does anyone else here believe it might be therapeutic or healthy to take a person suffering from PTSD from war experiences to a gun range?
No - but Kyle was motivated by trying to help these fellow soldiers. He himself saved hundreds if not thousands of fellow soldiers.
Ron Paul can eat a dick over this
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No - but Kyle was motivated by trying to help these fellow soldiers. He himself saved hundreds if not thousands of fellow soldiers.
Ron Paul can eat a dick over this
I'm all for helping PTSD soldiers - I think our govt does a horrible thing by putting all these young people thru such hell, then not providing adequate counseling or medical coverage when they return.
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Does anyone else here believe it might be therapeutic or healthy to take a person suffering from PTSD from war experiences to a gun range?
When I was at SOI, we had a combat instructor that had 3 purple hearts, he had been hit by an IED on 3 separate occasions. He was missing a huge chunk out of one of his biceps and had scars up and down his arms.
When we would be in the barracks and you could hear .50 rounds were going off (or the one time we felt a mortar detonate somewhere it wasn't supposed to), his lower eyelids would climb halfway up his eyeball and his hands would start to twitch.
It was mildly disturbing.
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I'm all for helping PTSD soldiers - I think our govt does a horrible thing by putting all these young people thru such hell, then not providing adequate counseling or medical coverage when they return.
Kyle was contacted by the mother of this guy and he tried to help him put as only he knew. In retrospect he was wrong but he was trting to help , out of te goodness, not malice
For RP to be so calous - sorry - im not amused
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When I was at SOI, we had a combat instructor that had 3 purple hearts, he had been hit by an IED on 3 separate occasions. He was missing a huge chunk out of one of his biceps and had scars up and down his arms.
When we would be in the barracks and you could hear .50 rounds were going off (or the one time we felt a mortar detonate somewhere it wasn't supposed to), his lower eyelids would climb halfway up his eyeball and his hands would start to twitch.
It was mildly disturbing.
I think the result of this shooting will be the military doing more to educate OTHERS how to handle people with PTSD.
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I think the result of this shooting will be the military doing more to educate OTHERS how to handle people with PTSD.
RP is looking like absolute shit in this
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Kyle was contacted by the mother of this guy and he tried to help him put as only he knew. In retrospect he was wrong but he was trting to help , out of te goodness, not malice
For RP to be so calous - sorry - im not amused
I'm very sure Kyle was trying to help - he was an honorable man, for sure.
I think the problem is education. Kyle didn't know that gunfire could trigger violence in a person whose PTSD was formed as a result from gunfire. Same way a kid could see his mom decapitated on a roller coaster - you'd never expect to take him on a roller coaster to blow off steam and 'face down' his fear. You'd wanna take the guy to get ice cream or fishing or just talk... but to force a person to face their fear - with a loaded gun in their hand? I blame the military for not teaching Kyle and others just how PTSD events are triggered. At the very least, you don't arm a guy before sending him to face his fear!
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RP was CORRECT that "treating someone with PTSD at a shooting range is a bad idea". He's correct.
He just looks liek shit for wording it with "live by the sword". He shouldn't say shit like that.
But he's correct that it's not a good idea to hand a loaded gun to a person with PTSD and surround them with gunfire.
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RP is done - he cemented is legacy now for the time being
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I'm very sure Kyle was trying to help - he was an honorable man, for sure.
I think the problem is education. Kyle didn't know that gunfire could trigger violence in a person whose PTSD was formed as a result from gunfire. Same way a kid could see his mom decapitated on a roller coaster - you'd never expect to take him on a roller coaster to blow off steam and 'face down' his fear. You'd wanna take the guy to get ice cream or fishing or just talk... but to force a person to face their fear - with a loaded gun in their hand? I blame the military for not teaching Kyle and others just how PTSD events are triggered. At the very least, you don't arm a guy before sending him to face his fear!
LOL. I love how you assert opinions as fact. It's quite endearing watching you act as an authority on everything under the sun. He didn't know, eh? Can you prove that? ::)
It's quite natural to overcome a fear of something by doing it.
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I'm very sure Kyle was trying to help - he was an honorable man, for sure.
I think the problem is education. Kyle didn't know that gunfire could trigger violence in a person whose PTSD was formed as a result from gunfire. Same way a kid could see his mom decapitated on a roller coaster - you'd never expect to take him on a roller coaster to blow off steam and 'face down' his fear. You'd wanna take the guy to get ice cream or fishing or just talk... but to force a person to face their fear - with a loaded gun in their hand? I blame the military for not teaching Kyle and others just how PTSD events are triggered. At the very least, you don't arm a guy before sending him to face his fear!
Uh... so you're implying that a guy that spent his life in a combat zone would have no idea what would bother a man with PTSD caused by combat?
If I were to venture a guess, I'd say that someone that has experienced all the same things would be BETTER qualified to help someone than a person that has no frame of reference of what being in combat is like.
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http://www.amazon.com/American-Sniper-Autobiography-Military-History/dp/0062238868/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1360036976&sr=8-2&keywords=navy+seal+sniper
Great book.
RIP Chris Kyle!!!!
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he didnt claim to know it was by karma, he just pointed out that the situation fit perfectly with the saying "live by the sword, die by the sword" :) and it does.. :)
Ironically, those were my first thoughts as well. :-X
Dude made his living by murdering people with guns, and here someone decides to murder him with a gun?
Not saying he deserved it, ...but it is a textbook classic definition of the saying
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LOL. I love how you assert opinions as fact. It's quite endearing watching you act as an authority on everything under the sun. He didn't know, eh? Can you prove that? ::)
It's quite natural to overcome a fear of something by doing it.
But we're not talking about riding a roller coaster or riding a bike.
We're talking about handing a loaded weapon to a person with PTSD - delusion, violence etc.
Then we place this person in a loud place with gunfire and strangers.
Ron Paul used shitty language in sentence #1. But he was right in sentence #2 that it's not a good idea to take a person with war PTSD to a gun range and giving them a loaded weapon.
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Ironically, those were my first thoughts as well. :-X
Dude made his living by murdering people with guns, and here someone decides to murder him with a gun?
Not saying he deserved it, ...but it is a textbook classic definition of the saying
Time and place - RP gained no friends and only enemies w his bulllsit
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It's still a shitty thing to say.
not really.
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Time and place - RP gained no friends and only enemies w his bulllsit
gained a friend in me :) (and anyone else who values pacifism)
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I've always respected and valued Ron Paul's opinions and insights, but on this I'd have to disagree. His statement may hold some truth and merit to it, but it came as very insensitive and entirely unnecessary.
Congressman Paul is advancing in age as well, so there is always that.
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Ironically, those were my first thoughts as well. :-X
Dude made his living by murdering people with guns, and here someone decides to murder him with a gun?
Not saying he deserved it, ...but it is a textbook classic definition of the saying
It isn't. It's a false equivalency. He was not engaged in the same activity which resulted in his death. He served in combat as a soldier with a cause. He was murdered without cause. Two completely different things.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/05/beck-delivers-excoriating-rebuke-of-ron-paul-over-ugly-and-offensive-tweet-about-chris-kyles-death
RP really is getting hammered over this from all over bu tthe gun control nazis
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As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend’s violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle’s family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies. -REP
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/02/ron-paul-clarifies-by-the-sword-tweet-on-snipers-death/
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333 was right about how paul engaged in political malpractice in the primary - he is his own worst enemy
Yup if only he had sold out like the rest he could get the nomination ::)
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I'm all for helping PTSD soldiers - I think our govt does a horrible thing by putting all these young people thru such hell, then not providing adequate counseling or medical coverage when they return.
Of course not that would mean more spending. No republican would go for that.
And most soldiers is middle or lower class so they dont give a shit.
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Who the hell tweets anyway ???
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Ron Paul Quotes Jesus, Conservatives Outraged
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken on February 4, 2013 11:45 PM
Remember that time Ron Paul used the Golden Rule to explain his foreign policy? Conservatives booed him for that. So who can be surprised that conservatives, including Rand Paul, have been falling all over themselves to condemn Ron Paul for quoting Jesus -in correct context, by the way - to note that the violence wrought by over a decade of nonstop war in America leads to tragedy on the home front?
Every neocon pundit and middle-American red-blooded conservative took a few minutes out from running around shrieking "boo-yah" and polishing his dually F-250 to be outraged that someone dared suggest that a government employee wasn't a holy relic.
The Daily Caller was the first to the show, posting Paul's twitter post without comment and allowing the comment box to quickly fill with outraged Republicans who were dismayed that anyone would not endorse every action of every single taxpayer-funded soldier who ever drew a bead on some dirt-poor 12-year-old child-soldier 10,000 miles away. Others soon piled on.
The most transparent were the conservatives who claimed to be former supporters of Paul who must now go support some more "patriotic" politician: One who doesn't actually question anything the military does.
One member at RonPaulForums.com said "'Live by the sword, die by the sword' is what the dumbest, stupidest, most delusional people around here would say. There's no way that Ron actually said this. Ugh. How said [sic] and pathetic."
That seems to be the general reaction one gets from conservatives about the Golden Rule also.
This is what it comes down to for most conservatives, of course. All that stuff about laissez faire and freedom and free markets has never been more than an act and an affectation which goes right out the window if someone ever criticizes the US Government in a truly trenchant or penetrating manner.
Most of these sunshine patriots who now whine that Ron Paul has lost their support, wouldn't ever have supported Ron Paul in the first place if Obama weren't in office. Had Ron Paul run against a GOP incumbent, most of these timid and prevaricating "opponents" of big government would have condemned Paul for questioning the glorious deeds of "our" Commander-in-Chief. Among conservatives, Ron Paul has only ever had minority support, for in the end, conservatives love government, as exhibited by their latest outrage. They just love it in a slightly different way from the left liberals.
As I've noted before, the Tea Party movement, and most conservatives who pretend to be for small government, only act when there's a Democrat in office. During eight years of Bush shredding the constitution, spending money like there was no tomorrow, and inflating the money supply with his pals at the central bank, no conservative would walk ten feet to protest the federal government. But about five minutes after Obama was sworn in, the Tea Party protests swelled into a huge disingenuous show that will evaporate five minutes after any Republican is sworn into office, assuming the GOP can actually win a national election with one of the out-of-touch never-had-a-real-job rich boys they insist on nominating.
In the end of course, Ron Paul has never been about rallying people to himself. He has been about the message, and the message is about freedom. It is a logical impossibility to be simultaneously pro-freedom and pro-military. Patrick Henry, who called government soldiers "engines of despotism" knew this. Thomas Jefferson knew this. Every true friend of liberty from William Graham Sumner to Murray Rothbard knew this. And Ron Paul knows it. Some of his supporters, still stuck in the mindset of a form of Geezer Conservatism in which "freedom-lovers" bow and scrape before the US Government, denied that Ron Paul could have even agreed with the Twitter post. No such luck for them. The tradition of laissez faire is a tradition against standing armies, and wars, and deference to military "heroics." Conservatives who are troubled by this should probably be honest with themselves and find a candidate more suitable to their views. I hear Newt Gingrich is still taking donations.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/131829.html
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not taking sides with the actual argument itself..
but i find it disturbing that you dont understand what live by the sword die by the sword means.
and the fact that you interject other murder victims means you miss the point..
basically, he is saying if your job is to kill people.. you in the killing arena, therefore the likelyhood of you getting is increased by virtue if the arena you are in...
Please tell me you understand that 3333... it has nothing to do with "oh well karma and other people are murdered..."...no... its simply.. if you work with lions that bite... youre more likley to get bitten by a lion... Makes perfect sense
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not taking sides with the actual argument itself..
but i find it disturbing that you dont understand what live by the sword die by the sword means.
and the fact that you interject other murder victims means you miss the point..
basically, he is saying if your job is to kill people.. you in the killing arena, therefore the likelyhood of you getting is increased by virtue if the arena you are in...
Please tell me you understand that 3333... it has nothing to do with "oh well karma and other people are murdered..."...no... its simply.. if you work with lions that bite... youre more likley to get bitten by a lion... Makes perfect sense
I didnt know being at a range w someone you are trying to help out is the killing arena
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I didnt know being at a range w someone you are trying to help out is the killing arena
ok.... youre hopeless
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I think the quote is out-of-context in a way and he probably shouldn't have said it. I could understand it better if he died in combat. But this is like the soldier who deploys three times, comes home safely, and is then killed by an intruder or run over by a car.
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ok.... youre hopeless
No - you are just a typical dumb ass ignoring what Archer77 posted.
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This isn't so bad it's worth putting Ron Paul in the same category as Fred Phelps ::) 3333, Glenn Beck and all the neocons who already disliked Paul spared no time blowing this up bigger than it is.
"Glenn Beck calls Ron Paul ‘newest member of the Westboro Baptist Church" (http://twitchy.com/2013/02/05/thatll-leave-a-mark-glenn-beck-calls-ron-paul-newest-member-of-the-westboro-baptist-church/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter) ::)
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This isn't so bad it's worth putting Ron Paul in the same category as Fred Phelps ::) 3333, Glenn Beck and all the neocons who already disliked Paul spared no time blowing this up bigger than it is.
"Glenn Beck calls Ron Paul ‘newest member of the Westboro Baptist Church" (http://twitchy.com/2013/02/05/thatll-leave-a-mark-glenn-beck-calls-ron-paul-newest-member-of-the-westboro-baptist-church/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter) ::)
No its not nearly as bad a phelps - but its still ridiculous and absurd.