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« Reply #3975 on: July 27, 2018, 01:00:29 PM »
As it has been mentioned before, we are dealing with gangs. And here is another case where the gang members get tattoos and other gang symbols. Let's see what will come out of this, if it is properly investigated.

L.A. County sheriff announces inquiry into secret societies of deputies and their matching tattoos

Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell has launched a comprehensive inquiry into secret deputy cliques and is looking into whether gangs that condone illicit behavior are operating within his ranks, he said Thursday.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-sheriff-tattoo-oversight-commission-20180726-story.html

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« Reply #3976 on: July 27, 2018, 04:06:47 PM »
Once again we see that these criminals are ruthless and don't care about  truth, justice, laws or BS such as "noble causes". This happened a few years ago. Scum like this should be sent to the electric chair.

The chief wanted perfect stats, so cops were told to pin crimes on black people, probe found

The indictment was damning enough: A former police chief of Biscayne Park and two officers charged with falsely pinning four burglaries on a teenager just to impress village leaders with a perfect crime-solving record.

But the accusations revealed in federal court last month left out far uglier details of past policing practices in tranquil Biscayne Park, a leafy wedge of suburbia just north of Miami Shores.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article213647764.html

Once again, we are dealing with criminal gangs. Remember this case?

Cop admits framing two black men as Florida town’s false arrest scandal widens

The federal investigation into a handful of former Biscayne Park police officers accused of framing innocent people widened this week, when another cop was accused of falsifying arrest warrants for two men at the direction of the police chief.

Guillermo Ravelo, who was fired from the force earlier this year, pleaded guilty Thursday in Miami federal court to a conspiracy charge that he violated the rights of the falsely accused men — one charged with a pair of home break-ins in 2013, the other with five vehicle burglaries the following year. The charges against the two men, both black, were eventually dropped.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article215589545.html

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« Reply #3977 on: July 28, 2018, 12:24:32 PM »
And once again we're seeing another criminal gang... They should both be executed.

Former Missouri sheriff, deputy had affair, now indicted on multiple felonies

A southern Missouri sheriff and a deputy with whom he had an affair were both indicted last week on felonies -- including assault, robbery and harassment -- in a scenario that the interim sheriff described as “wheels (falling) off.”

Former Texas County Sheriff James Sigman, 48, and Lt. Deputy Jennifer Tomaszewski, 38, also were indicted on child endangerment and unlawful use of a weapon.

Sigman hired Tomaszewski as a jailer in December 2016, which was around the time they began a romance, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported, citing court records. She was then promoted to administrator of the 72-bed jail seven months later, the report said.

The probable cause statement said she did not have “prior experience” when she was promoted.

Tomaszewski hit an inmate with the mental capacity of a 9-year-old in the face with her elbows after he was rendered unconscious, possibly by a "choke hold," a Missouri State Highway Patrol trooper wrote in a report.

A corrections officer told investigators that Tomaszewski said she was "trying to bust his (the inmate’s) eardrum out."

"If we hadn't been there, they would have killed that boy. He was completely unconscious and his lips were turning blue," a deputy told investigators, according to the probable cause statement.

The statement said Sigman was present during the incident and that reports about what happened were removed from the mentally disabled inmate's file.

The trooper wrote that Tomaszewski also threatened to put a bullet in the head of another inmate but that the grievance the inmate filed was missing when a search warrant was served this spring at the sheriff's office.

The statement said she went on ride-alongs, acted as an undercover officer during stings and served search warrants during which she would detain suspects, search residences and perform other duties reserved for commissioned officers.

Sometimes she was armed with an AR-15 rifle normally used by Sigman and wore a uniform that was indistinguishable from what deputies wore, the trooper wrote.

While serving one search warrant, she pointed a firearm at several people, including a 1-year-old, who lived across the street from the home being searched, placing all of them in "immediate danger," the trooper wrote.

Tomaszewski confronted them because she thought they were video recording the officers and taking photos -- and mistakenly believed that wasn't allowed.

The statement also said that a child was brought into the jail multiple times, helped serve meals to inmates and ate with two of the inmates, including a sexually violent offender.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/28/former-missouri-sheriff-deputy-had-affair-now-indicted-on-multiple-felonies.html

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3978 on: July 28, 2018, 01:20:32 PM »
This thread has turned out far more revealing and disturbing than was originally intended .   But excellent posts

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« Reply #3979 on: July 29, 2018, 01:09:28 PM »
TSA is tracking regular travelers like terrorists in secret surveillance program

Federal Air Marshals have begun following ordinary US citizens not suspected of a crime or on any terrorist watch list and collecting extensive information about their movements and behavior under a new domestic surveillance program that is drawing criticism from within the agency.

https://apps.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/graphics/2018/07/tsa-quiet-skies/

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« Reply #3980 on: July 29, 2018, 02:24:48 PM »
TSA is tracking regular travelers like terrorists in secret surveillance program

Federal Air Marshals have begun following ordinary US citizens not suspected of a crime or on any terrorist watch list and collecting extensive information about their movements and behavior under a new domestic surveillance program that is drawing criticism from within the agency.

https://apps.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/graphics/2018/07/tsa-quiet-skies/
A good friend of mine travels A LOT and when I bring up stuff like this to him he says he doesn't care because he has no intention of breaking the law. :-\
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #3981 on: July 29, 2018, 02:32:26 PM »
Would it have different if she was "on duty"?

Cop Arrested and Fired for Kicking an 8-month Pregnant Woman in the Stomach

North Miami Beach, FL — In a disgusting display of brutality, a North Miami Beach Police officer has been fired and arrested for kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach. The kick was so violent that it caused the innocent woman to go into labor.

Officer Ambar Pacheco was charged with aggravated battery after she attacked the innocent pregnant mother in South Beach Wednesday night. According to the arrest affidavit, Pacheco was off-duty at the time of the attack.



https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-arrested-kicking-pregnant-woman/

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« Reply #3982 on: July 29, 2018, 08:50:22 PM »
"I feared for my life". Blanket excuse for cops when they kill someone. Doesn't always apply to citizens.
"Know your target and what's beyond it". Basic rule of gun safety. Doesn't seem to apply to cops.

Lycoming County jury finds Donald Meyer Jr. guilty on all counts involving death of his daughter, Ciara

WILLIAMSPORT — A Lycoming County jury convicted Donald Meyer Jr. Friday of all counts in the 2016 death of his 12-year-old daughter, Ciara, who was struck in the chest by a bullet fired from a constable there to evict Meyer from his Penn Township, Perry County home.

https://fox43.com/2018/07/27/lycoming-county-jury-finds-donald-meyer-jr-guilty-on-all-counts-involving-death-of-his-daughter-ciara/


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« Reply #3983 on: July 29, 2018, 08:51:42 PM »
Southport police force on leave after chief, lieutenant arrested

SOUTHPORT, NC (WECT) - All police operations in Southport have been suspended and the entire force placed on paid administrative leave after the city's police chief and a lieutenant were arrested Thursday and charged with double-dipping at a second job while on the clock at the police department.

https://www.wect.com/story/38741150/southport-police-chief-arrested-after-investigation-by-sbi-fbi

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« Reply #3984 on: July 30, 2018, 04:09:21 AM »
"I feared for my life". Blanket excuse for cops when they kill someone. Doesn't always apply to citizens.
"Know your target and what's beyond it". Basic rule of gun safety. Doesn't seem to apply to cops.

Lycoming County jury finds Donald Meyer Jr. guilty on all counts involving death of his daughter, Ciara

WILLIAMSPORT — A Lycoming County jury convicted Donald Meyer Jr. Friday of all counts in the 2016 death of his 12-year-old daughter, Ciara, who was struck in the chest by a bullet fired from a constable there to evict Meyer from his Penn Township, Perry County home.

https://fox43.com/2018/07/27/lycoming-county-jury-finds-donald-meyer-jr-guilty-on-all-counts-involving-death-of-his-daughter-ciara/


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Geez - i read the story.  Yikes.

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3985 on: July 30, 2018, 09:04:56 AM »
NC coastal town's police force on leave after chief and lieutenant arrested
WECT ^ | Jul 27, 2018
Posted on 7/30/2018, 9:52:49 AM by george76

SOUTHPORT, N.C. - All police operations in Southport have been suspended and the entire force placed on paid administrative leave after the city's police chief and a lieutenant were arrested Thursday and charged with double-dipping at a second job while on the clock at the police department.

Chief Gary Smith, 46, and Lt. Michael Christian Simmons, 48, were both charged with conspiracy to obtain property by false pretenses, willful failure to discharge duties, and obstruction of justice.

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State investigators said Smith and Simmons were driving overnight shifts for an unnamed local trucking company during the same hours they had claimed on their daily activity reports for the Southport Police Department.

David said Smith and Simmons' duties for the trucking company routinely required them to be out of town and even out of the county.

Smith was taken into custody Thursday morning and booked into the Brunswick County Detention Center under a $10,000 unsecured bond. He was later released after posting bail.

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Despite the entire police force being put on administrative leave, David cautioned not to put all the officers in a negative light.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbs17.com ...


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« Reply #3986 on: July 30, 2018, 12:04:11 PM »
Good. Let's see if they will actually be held accountable and not claim some BS immunity.

Trump supporters pelted by eggs, punches can sue San Jose cops after attack, court says

Supporters of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump who were met with flying eggs and punches from counter protesters during a June 2016 San Jose campaign rally can sue the city’s police for allegedly failing to protect them, a new court ruling said.

Trump supporters – many sporting red Make America Great Again hats – who were attending a rally at the McEnery Convention Center were met with hundreds of anti-Trump protesters as they were shepherded out of the building via a single exit.

The suit's 20 plaintiffs claim in a lawsuit that police knowingly ordered them to leave through an exit where protesters were waiting, despite the existence of a safer route and other exits, the San Francisco Chronicle reported last week.

The plaintiff's said they were beaten or struck by objects thrown by the protesters. Initial accounts of the events also said at least one woman was pelted by an egg after a crowd of demonstrators surrounded her, as seen in video of the incident.

One plaintiff claims an officer told her police had been instructed not to intervene in the melee.

The lawsuit says police arrested three people for allegedly assaulting officers at the scene, but no one for attacking Trump supporters, the Chronicle reported.

On Friday, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said, if the allegations are true, “the officers acted with deliberate indifference to a known and obvious danger” and violated the constitutional rights of Trump supporters.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/30/trump-supporters-pelted-by-eggs-punches-can-sue-san-jose-cops-in-attack-court-says.html

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« Reply #3987 on: July 30, 2018, 02:56:15 PM »
Her "logic" is that unless an "officer is down" she will not rush to the scene. This is how the police state treats the normal citizens. If you are part of their clique, they will rush to your aid. If you're a tax paying citizen lowly pleb, you're not important.

Florida officer disciplined for lack of urgency in response

BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) -- A Florida police officer has been disciplined for not turning on her lights and siren when responding to the scene of an accidental shooting death.

The Bradenton Herald reports that Officer Amy Schwartz was disciplined for not showing any urgency in responding to the shooting scene last February in Bradenton, Florida.

Schwartz told internal affairs investigators she usually doesn't activate her lights and sirens unless "there's an officer down."

http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Florida-officer-disciplined-for-lack-of-urgency-in-response-489471241.html

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3988 on: July 30, 2018, 05:02:10 PM »
Her "logic" is that unless an "officer is down" she will not rush to the scene. This is how the police state treats the normal citizens. If you are part of their clique, they will rush to your aid. If you're a tax paying citizen lowly pleb, you're not important.

Florida officer disciplined for lack of urgency in response

BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) -- A Florida police officer has been disciplined for not turning on her lights and siren when responding to the scene of an accidental shooting death.

The Bradenton Herald reports that Officer Amy Schwartz was disciplined for not showing any urgency in responding to the shooting scene last February in Bradenton, Florida.

Schwartz told internal affairs investigators she usually doesn't activate her lights and sirens unless "there's an officer down."

http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Florida-officer-disciplined-for-lack-of-urgency-in-response-489471241.html

Her logic is skewed. That is not how the police state typically responds as you suggest. There are countless examples of officers getting in crashes going to scenes that didn't involve an officer because they were driving too fast.  Your bias is showing a tad bit.

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3989 on: July 31, 2018, 11:37:13 AM »
A homeowner did what he had to to protect his family and then the cops show up and kill him.

After Armed Homeowner Defends Family from Home Invader, Cops Show Up and Kill Him

Aurora, CO — When an armed intruder broke into a family’s home early Monday morning, and reportedly began harming a juvenile inside, the homeowner did what he was supposed to do. He armed himself, called 911, and defended his home—and he was successful. However, after he’d successfully fended off the home invader—by killing him—police then showed up and killed the innocent homeowner.

According to police, they received a call from the homeowner notifying them that a man had broken into the home. When officers arrived, the scene was chaotic, according to police.

“Officers arrived to a very chaotic and violent scene,” Aurora Police Chief Nick Metz wrote in a news release issued Monday afternoon.

Police say they heard gunshots inside the home and when they ran inside, they found an armed man. The armed man was the homeowner and they killed him.

There were no reports from officers claiming that the homeowner opened fire or even raised the gun toward officers. Also, none of the officers were hurt during the incident.

After clearing the scene, according to Metz, police found the intruder dead on the bathroom floor. Metz explained that officers also found a child in the residence who’d been seriously injured by the intruder. The child was taken to the hospital for “serious, but non-life-threatening injuries” caused by the intruder, Metz said.

According to Metz, the identities of the two men will be released by the Adams County Coroner’s Office. Metz also explained that the officer who killed the homeowner is on routine paid administrative leave.

As the Denver Channel reports, the Aurora Police Major Crimes Unit, the Denver Police Department and the 17th Judicial District Attorney’s Office will conduct the investigation into the shooting.



https://thefreethoughtproject.com/homeowner-defends-home-police-kill-him/

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3990 on: July 31, 2018, 03:42:10 PM »
A homeowner did what he had to to protect his family and then the cops show up and kill him.

After Armed Homeowner Defends Family from Home Invader, Cops Show Up and Kill Him

Aurora, CO — When an armed intruder broke into a family’s home early Monday morning, and reportedly began harming a juvenile inside, the homeowner did what he was supposed to do. He armed himself, called 911, and defended his home—and he was successful. However, after he’d successfully fended off the home invader—by killing him—police then showed up and killed the innocent homeowner.

According to police, they received a call from the homeowner notifying them that a man had broken into the home. When officers arrived, the scene was chaotic, according to police.

“Officers arrived to a very chaotic and violent scene,” Aurora Police Chief Nick Metz wrote in a news release issued Monday afternoon.

Police say they heard gunshots inside the home and when they ran inside, they found an armed man. The armed man was the homeowner and they killed him.

There were no reports from officers claiming that the homeowner opened fire or even raised the gun toward officers. Also, none of the officers were hurt during the incident.

After clearing the scene, according to Metz, police found the intruder dead on the bathroom floor. Metz explained that officers also found a child in the residence who’d been seriously injured by the intruder. The child was taken to the hospital for “serious, but non-life-threatening injuries” caused by the intruder, Metz said.

According to Metz, the identities of the two men will be released by the Adams County Coroner’s Office. Metz also explained that the officer who killed the homeowner is on routine paid administrative leave.

As the Denver Channel reports, the Aurora Police Major Crimes Unit, the Denver Police Department and the 17th Judicial District Attorney’s Office will conduct the investigation into the shooting.



https://thefreethoughtproject.com/homeowner-defends-home-police-kill-him/


FFS
Yet again Police Chief Justifiying another Murder by His Gang.

We’d Struggle to make stories like this up.
In any other environment that chief would think your bonkers
If you were telling him that story & trying to defend people killing
Innocents.

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3991 on: July 31, 2018, 11:20:21 PM »
LAPD releases video of Van Nuys standoff in which officers fatally shot a hostage

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-hostage-shooting-20180730-story.html





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« Reply #3992 on: August 01, 2018, 09:27:11 AM »

FFS
Yet again Police Chief Justifiying another Murder by His Gang.

We’d Struggle to make stories like this up.
In any other environment that chief would think your bonkers
If you were telling him that story & trying to defend people killing
Innocents.

I also struggle with this one. Anytime someone calls 911 and it involves a gun, the dispatchers are trained to tell them to put the gun up before police arrive for this very reason. The cops coming into a situation don't know who the good and bad guys are and anyone with a gun is certainly a concern in many cases. The situation may not have allowed for the homeowner to put the gun up prior to police arrival and may have and probably was drove up on Adrenalin. He had just shot someone in his home.

If the cops came in and he was holding the gun, not following directions and was waving it in their direction, I can't fault them for shooting him. I know you're thinking a guy ought to be able to call the police and not get killed in his own home and I agree. However sometimes tragic things occur like a son sneaking in the window after curfew and getting blown away by the father thinking its a burglar or a 10 year old daughter hiding in the closet playing a game on Dad and gets shot by him. These happened and it is tragic. This may be one of those times. I'd like to see the video   

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« Reply #3993 on: August 01, 2018, 01:30:09 PM »
This is the extremely rare case of a cop witnessing another cop committing a crime, in this case assaulting a handcuffed teenager inside a police car, and actually arresting the cop on the spot instead of participating in the crime or covering it up. But let's not kid ourselves, did you really expect the cop to go to prison for the assault or face punishment that ordinary people would receive? Of course he got a sweet deal and only has to resign (so he can now go work at another police department), pay $170 (damn, they almost bankrupted him...), complete an "anger management" course and not commit a crime for the next 3 years. Had an ordinary citizen attacked someone else, let alone a cop, the outcome would've been much different.

Cop Beats Handcuffed Child, Spits on Mentally Ill Man, and Kills Someone—Can Still Be a Cop

Jacksonville, FL — When it comes to holding police accountable, America is an utter and complete failure. All too often, a cop can be seen on video killing unarmed and innocent people, beating handcuffed individuals and wreaking havoc in general and not face any punishment. Timothy James is one of those cops.

Earlier this year, James was charged after fellow officers witnessed him beating a handcuffed 17-year-old boy in the back of his squad car. As TFTP reported, he repeatedly punched  a 17-year-old child in the face. According to the reports, James climbed into the back seat of his patrol car, where two teens were waiting and handcuffed, and began punching one of the brothers in the face—hitting him so hard that he broke the boy’s teeth. The sergeant saw it all from his own patrol car and then, like a good cop is supposed to do, he arrested James.

For beating 17-year-old Elias Campos—while he was in handcuffs—James was arrested and charged with battery. However, thanks to a corrupt and broken system, these charges have now all been dropped.

As part of a plea deal released by the State Attorney’s Office, James had all charges dropped in exchange for his resignation.


Also, as New4Jax reports, James must perform 50 hours of community service, complete an anger management program and pay $170. James cannot commit any new local, state or federal offenses for three years.

Although he can’t be hired on back at the JSO for the next three years, James can go over to the next town and get hired on, right now. Seriously.



As Jack Burns wrote earlier this year, the damning part of this story is that the beating of Campos was not the first time James had been arrested by his own police force. It was the second time — inside a month. But that’s not all. In fact, this model cop killed a pedestrian with his squad car too. And while JSO is prohibited from discussing his priors, investigative reporters with First Coast News uncovered his personnel file, which reveal the officer’s sordid work history.

On at least 10 different occasions, James has been in violation of departmental policy. Killing pedestrians and beating handcuffed kids is not the upper limit of this cop’s corrupt ability. In April, he’s alleged to have spit on and abused a mentally ill man at UF Health, the University of Florida hospital.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-beats-teen-spits-kills-no-charges/

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« Reply #3994 on: August 01, 2018, 02:17:25 PM »
I also struggle with this one. Anytime someone calls 911 and it involves a gun, the dispatchers are trained to tell them to put the gun up before police arrive for this very reason. The cops coming into a situation don't know who the good and bad guys are and anyone with a gun is certainly a concern in many cases. The situation may not have allowed for the homeowner to put the gun up prior to police arrival and may have and probably was drove up on Adrenalin. He had just shot someone in his home.

If the cops came in and he was holding the gun, not following directions and was waving it in their direction, I can't fault them for shooting him. I know you're thinking a guy ought to be able to call the police and not get killed in his own home and I agree. However sometimes tragic things occur like a son sneaking in the window after curfew and getting blown away by the father thinking its a burglar or a 10 year old daughter hiding in the closet playing a game on Dad and gets shot by him. These happened and it is tragic. This may be one of those times. I'd like to see the video   


“There were no reports from officers claiming that the homeowner opened fire or even raised the gun toward officers. Also, none of the officers were hurt during the incident”.

Kind of negates a few of your points. If the above is correct.

The other examples you give are very tragic - Though most likely those doing the Shooting
Were not “trained” cops.

The more I read the more I wonder what the hell exactly are they training cops in.

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3995 on: August 01, 2018, 02:33:53 PM »
This is one of the best threads ever.

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« Reply #3996 on: August 01, 2018, 03:16:04 PM »

“There were no reports from officers claiming that the homeowner opened fire or even raised the gun toward officers. Also, none of the officers were hurt during the incident”.

Kind of negates a few of your points. If the above is correct.

The other examples you give are very tragic - Though most likely those doing the Shooting
Were not “trained” cops.

The more I read the more I wonder what the hell exactly are they training cops in.


With incidents such as these, people might start questioning the point of calling the cops in the event of a home invasion since they have the real risk of one of their innocent family members getting killed by cops. Especially in serious situations where seconds count, such as a home invasion, the police might take a while to respond and will only arrive too late.
Aside from late response or lack of training, part of the problem is the mentality of some cops who think they're military super operators in a post apocalyptic war zone and see "threats" everywhere and violence as the solution to everything. With the immunity and protection that they have, they don't seem to care much about consequences. This sort of violent police response has been exploited by scumbags with the phenomenon known as "swatting".

Here we had a family man, a grandfather, a decorated Vietnam veteran, recipient of a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart, who successfully defended his grandchild from a violent intruder. Then the cops arrive and kill him. Of course they will say the usual "oh it's a tragic incident", probably even say the usual "it was a mistake", as if that somehow absolves them of responsibility (even though they enjoy several layers of protection and immunity anyhow). Supposedly the cops had bodycams so it will be interesting to see if the cameras were on and if they recorded any footage because police bodycams tend to "malfunction" too often when they might contain footage that doesn't vindicate the cops. At any rate, I doubt we will see the cop(s) going to prison despite sending this brave man to the grave.

Now we learn that the killer (who was not been identified yet - must be one of the job perks) was involved in another shooting in June but he was put back on duty before the investigation was finished:

Officer who shot Aurora homeowner was in another deadly shooting in June

An Aurora police officer who shot an armed homeowner had been returned to duty after another deadly confrontation in late June, even though the investigation of that first incident has not been completed.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/officer-who-shot-aurora-homeowner-was-in-another-deadly-shooting-in-june/73-579198076


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« Reply #3997 on: August 01, 2018, 03:20:23 PM »
With incidents such as these, people might start questioning the point of calling the cops in the event of a home invasion since they have the real risk of one of their innocent family members getting killed by cops. Especially in serious situations where seconds count, such as a home invasion, the police might take a while to respond and will only arrive too late.
Aside from late response or lack of training, part of the problem is the mentality of some cops who think they're military super operators in a post apocalyptic war zone and see "threats" everywhere and violence as the solution to everything. With the immunity and protection that they have, they don't seem to care much about consequences. This sort of violent police response has been exploited by scumbags with the phenomenon known as "swatting".

Here we had a family man, a grandfather, a decorated Vietnam veteran, recipient of a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart, who successfully defended his grandchild from a violent intruder. Then the cops arrive and kill him. Of course they will say the usual "oh it's a tragic incident", probably even say the usual "it was a mistake", as if that somehow absolves them of responsibility (even though they enjoy several layers of protection and immunity anyhow). Supposedly the cops had bodycams so it will be interesting to see if the cameras were on and if they recorded any footage because police bodycams tend to "malfunction" too often when they might contain footage that doesn't vindicate the cops. At any rate, I doubt we will see the cop(s) going to prison despite sending this brave man to the grave.

Now we learn that the killer (who was not been identified yet - must be one of the job perks) was involved in another shooting in June but he was put back on duty before the investigation was finished:

Officer who shot Aurora homeowner was in another deadly shooting in June

An Aurora police officer who shot an armed homeowner had been returned to duty after another deadly confrontation in late June, even though the investigation of that first incident has not been completed.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/officer-who-shot-aurora-homeowner-was-in-another-deadly-shooting-in-june/73-579198076



“Aside from late response or lack of training, part of the problem is the mentality of some cops who think they're military super operators in a post apocalyptic war zone and see "threats" everywhere and violence is the solution to everything. With the immunity and protection that they have, they don't seem to care much about consequences”

Well said.

The above statement really does sum their attitude up very well.

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« Reply #3998 on: August 01, 2018, 05:11:37 PM »
I also struggle with this one. Anytime someone calls 911 and it involves a gun, the dispatchers are trained to tell them to put the gun up before police arrive for this very reason. The cops coming into a situation don't know who the good and bad guys are and anyone with a gun is certainly a concern in many cases. The situation may not have allowed for the homeowner to put the gun up prior to police arrival and may have and probably was drove up on Adrenalin. He had just shot someone in his home.

If the cops came in and he was holding the gun, not following directions and was waving it in their direction, I can't fault them for shooting him. I know you're thinking a guy ought to be able to call the police and not get killed in his own home and I agree. However sometimes tragic things occur like a son sneaking in the window after curfew and getting blown away by the father thinking its a burglar or a 10 year old daughter hiding in the closet playing a game on Dad and gets shot by him. These happened and it is tragic. This may be one of those times. I'd like to see the video   
Yeah, I'd like to know how this went down. Sucks for sure, but I'm leaning towards trigger happy cops. If that homeowner didn't raise his gun or threaten them in any way, someone should face charges.
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« Reply #3999 on: August 01, 2018, 08:00:09 PM »

“There were no reports from officers claiming that the homeowner opened fire or even raised the gun toward officers. Also, none of the officers were hurt during the incident”.

Kind of negates a few of your points. If the above is correct.

The other examples you give are very tragic - Though most likely those doing the Shooting
Were not “trained” cops.

The more I read the more I wonder what the hell exactly are they training cops in.


It's not uncommon for news stations to not get the facts during an investigation. That there were none, you could also say there was no reports the man did not point his weapon at them...

There have been a couple of anti police activist recently that actually were participants in police training where they were put in positions cops are put in on a regular basis and they found out it isn't as easy as it seems.

Picture yourself going into a home where someone has a gun and you come across a male with a gun? Personally, in a volatile situation like that, I would treat the subject as a danger until I knew he wasn't. So I tell him "Drop the gun! Drop the gun! Most people who aren't meaning me harm will drop the gun like it's hot. So what if he doesn't? What if he comes at me all excited and waving the gun around? Do I calmly wait until he fires to determine if he is the intruder or the suspect? I can see how someone who hasn't been in that predicament could think "In every case, an officer who arrives on a scene of a shooting should be able to immediately determine who the bad guy is. In most cases they can. In some they can't and depending on the distance, cover, etc. they have decisions to make. Again, I am not saying in this specific case the officers weren't negligent and should have known... I don't know. I am just giving you a perspective that there are times when the wrong person gets shot and it is not "out of control poorly trained officers" it is a series of events that led to that outcome.