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Obama grants Holder request on 'Furious' documents as contempt vote looms
Published June 20, 2012
FoxNews.com
President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against the attorney general by Republicans in the House.
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is expected to forge ahead with its meeting on the contempt resolution anyway.
ORIGINAL STORY ...
House Republicans appear to be charging ahead with a high-drama contempt vote against Eric Holder, after GOP Rep. Darrell Issa said the attorney generally failed to produce the documents he requested for the probe into the Justice Department's botched Fast and Furious operation.
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is scheduled to meet at 10 a.m. ET on Wednesday. Barring a last-minute document dump from Holder, lawmakers are poised to vote on a contempt resolution following debate this morning.
If the vote proceeds, Republicans have more than enough votes on committee to pass the resolution. However, Holder would not be considered to be held in contempt of Congress unless and until the full House approves the measure.
Issa and Holder have been going back and forth since last week over Issa's request for documents. Issa, R-Calif., indicated a willingness to postpone the vote after Holder indicated a willingness to make compromises and supply some documents in response to House Republicans' subpoena.
But Issa told reporters after a roughly 20-minute meeting with Holder Tuesday that the attorney general instead briefed them on the documents in lieu of delivering them.
Issa told Fox News that Holder didn't provide "anything in writing," and said the family of murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry wants the documents as much as he does.
"We want the documents. Brian Terry's family would like the documents that are responsive to how in fact their son was gunned down with weapons that came from lawful dealers but at the ... behest of the Justice Department," Issa told Fox News.
Weapons from the Fast and Furious anti-gunrunning operation were found at Terry's murder scene.
Issa suggested earlier Tuesday that the vote could still be up in the air.
"The deadline will always move to the last minute," said Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. "We're not looking to hold people responsible. We're looking for document production."
The failed Fast and Furious operation attempted selling thousands of guns to arms dealers along the U.S.-Mexico border to trace them to leaders of drug cartels. However, many of them showed up in crime scenes.
Congressional investigators have been trying to determine if and when high-level Justice officials knew about problems with the operation.
Holder said Issa rejected what he thought was "an extraordinary offer."
"We offered the documents that we thought would resolve the subpoenas," he said. "The ball is in their court."
The contempt vote in the oversight committee will likely pass considering Republicans outnumber Democrats 22 to 16.
GOP House leadership has given Issa the green light to proceed how he sees fit, sources told Fox News, which suggests the vote would reach the House floor.
Holder called for the Capitol Hill meeting late Monday in a possible attempt to make a deal with Issa and avoid the contempt vote.
Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House oversight panel, said he after the meeting he is confident that Justice officials are not attempting a cover-up by withholding documents.
Holder's letter stated the Justice Department "has offered a serious, good faith proposal to bring this matter to an amicable resolution in the form of a briefing based on documents that the committee could retain."
Issa had demanded to see a trove of documents on the controversial Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation. He also wants to know who prepared a now-retracted letter from Feb. 4, 2011, in which the department claimed the U.S. did not knowingly help smuggle guns to Mexico, including those found where Terry was killed.
Issa wrote back to Holder later Monday requesting he deliver roughly 1,300 documents pertaining to the Feb. 4 letter.
The letter also stated Holder needed to deliver a description of all the documents he will not produce. Issa said the log is "essential for the committee to determine whether the department has substantially met its obligations" -- a statement he repeated Tuesday after the meeting.
Fox News' William LaJeunesse and Chad Pergram contributed to this report.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/20/house-republicans-tee-up-imminent-contempt-vote-against-holder/#ixzz1yLJ2Xkw4
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http://news.yahoo.com/justice-dept-says-president-exerted-executive-privilege-over-140250605.html;_ylt=A2KLOzLe2uFP1W0AlUTQtDMD
Disgusting.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/obama-executive-privilege-fast-and-furious_n_1611962.html
Obama is hiding something for sure.
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If he didn't authorize Fast n Furious, why is Holder refusing to provide ALL documents?
This is obviously a cover up and who knows if it's being done not only to protect Holder, but to protect the incompetent-in-chief.
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If he didn't authorize Fast n Furious, why is Holder refusing to provide ALL documents?
This is obviously a cover up and who knows if it's being done not only to protect Holder, but to protect the incompetent-in-chief.
He did authorize it.
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Judge Napolitano says that this is not an appropriate venue for "Executive Privilege" as it is intended solely to cover communications directly to and from the President and only on subjects of national security and defense.
Republicans are proceeding with Contempt of Congress charges.
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Contempt proceedings live now C-SPAN 3
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/
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What did Obama know and when did he know it?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/obama-executive-privilege-fast-and-furious_n_1611962.html#comments
libs melting down all over the place.
LOL.
WHAT DID OBAMA KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT!
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http://www.businessinsider.com/justice-department-obama-executive-privilege-fast-and-furious-contempt-eric-holder-2012-6
Finally - Obama is going to be dragged into the mud with this murderous scandal.
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“The assertion of executive privilege raises monumental questions,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee who first began the Fast and Furious investigation.
“How can the president assert executive privilege if there was no White House involvement? How can the president exert executive privilege over documents he’s supposedly never seen? Is something very big being hidden to go to this extreme? The contempt citation is an important procedural mechanism in our system of checks and balances,” he said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/20/obama-asserts-executive-privilege-over-ff-docs/
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Obama just admitted he lied about fast and furious by asserting Executive Privliege.
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Look at those Democrats.
"This happened in prior administrations." "I feel offended that you have called the attorney general a liar."
What the heck? Still blaming others. Still trying to deflect attention from the issue. If a person lies that makes him or her a liar. What does their position have to do with anything?
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Look at those Democrats.
"This happened in prior administrations." "I feel offended that you have called the attorney general a liar."
What the heck? Still blaming others. Still trying to deflect attention from the issue. If a person lies that makes him or her a liar. What does their position have to do with anything?
Elijah Cummings and the rest of the black con artists in the congress covering up for Holder are disgrace.
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That committee has been at it for over 8 months, yet the democratic members want to wait longer. They want to hamper the process. What about the truth? What about giving some type of closure to the Terry family?
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That committee has been at it for over 8 months, yet the democratic members want to wait longer. They want to hamper the process. What about the truth? What about giving some type of closure to the Terry family?
300 dead plus mexicans, 1500 guns still on the streets, etc.
And yet - the race over all else types still defend obama and holder
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That committee has been at it for over 8 months, yet the democratic members want to wait longer. They want to hamper the process. What about the truth? What about giving some type of closure to the Terry family?
So much for Obamnesty, dominating the headlines.
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So much for Obamnesty, dominating the headlines.
And up next - Obamacare going down.
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A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner said Obama’s move “implies that White House officials were either involved in the ‘Fast and Furious’ operation or the cover-up that followed.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-invokes-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-documents-20120620,0,6646341.story
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A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner said Obama’s move “implies that White House officials were either involved in the ‘Fast and Furious’ operation or the cover-up that followed.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-invokes-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-documents-20120620,0,6646341.story
I told you guys - bama is going to be forced to step aside for hillary. its coming.
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Now I know why Mark Levine calls Obama "Milhous". Only he makes Nixon look like a Saint.
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Now I know why Mark Levine calls Obama "Milhous". Only he makes Nixon look like a Saint.
Obama's chickens . . . . . . . . . . .are coming home . . . . . . . . to rrrroooossssstttttt!!!!!!!
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And up next - Obamacare going down.
Well, these folks seem to think so.
Insider poll: Legal experts now expect Supreme Court to strike down individual mandate
The Supreme Court will soon announce its ruling on the constitutionality of President Barack Obama's health care law passed in 2010, and for many legal observers who have worked in the court and argued cases before the justices, the federal government's defense of the measure in March did not inspire confidence.
A new insider survey of 58 legal experts conducted after the oral arguments concluded found that most predict that the court will strike down the so-called individual mandate, a central provision within the law requiring that every American purchase a government-approved form of health insurance. The same expert survey was conducted before the hearings began, which found the opposite: Most thought the law would be upheld.
The survey was paid for the American Action Forum, a right-leaning organization and Center Forward, a centrist group, both based in Washington, D.C. It was conducted by Purple Insights, a bipartisan consulting firm. The pollsters received input from former clerks who have worked for justices on both sides of the ideological spectrum: Eleven clerked for traditionally liberal Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, 18 clerked for justices on the right, Samuel Alito, John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, and Clarance Thomas and nine worked for Anthony Kennedy.
Using a scale from 0 to 100, the pollsters asked the 38 former clerks of current Supreme Court justices and 18 attorneys who have argued before the court to rate the probability that the individual mandate provision would be declared unconstitutional. The insiders provided an average rating of 57 percent, a significant jump from the pre-hearing survey, when the average was just 35 percent.
"This is a fascinating snapshot of how true experts believe the Supreme Court will act on the future of American healthcare," said American Action Forum President Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who served as Director of the Congressional Budget Office under President George W. Bush. "Experts believe the oral arguments revealed significant insights into the court's thinking."
The notion that the entire law would be struck down if the individual mandate is declared unconstitutional received an average rating of 31 percent in the new poll, an increase of four percentage points from the pre-hearing survey. The average prediction that the law would remain even if the individual mandate is removed dropped to 21 percent from 36 percent in the new survey.
"I feel like a dope," one of the experts said in the comments section of the survey, "because I was one f those who predicted that the court would uphold the statute by a lopsided majority--maybe even 8-1. Although you never know, it now appears pretty likely that this prediction was way off."
After observing the justices during the health care hearings, seven out of ten of the experts said they felt the line of questioning "indicated that they were more skeptical about the law's constitutionality" than they expected. No one who participated in the survey said they thought the justices appeared "less skeptical" than they anticipated.
Although none of those polled have precise knowledge of how the justices will rule on the provisions related to the health care law, their predictions--especially given the significant drop on confidence after watching the oral arguments--could foreshadow the fate of the law.
At the latest, the justices will announce their decisions on the health care law on June 28, although it could come earlier.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/insider-poll-legal-experts-now-expect-supreme-court/story?id=16609889#.T-HwgJhSTgo
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“Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency”
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Obama , hillary, and holder were all in on this.
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Who is this overweight geek? Gerald Connolly of VA. He basically called these proceedings a kangaroo court. That is another democratic party tactic. Whenever they don't get what they want, they discredit everyone around them. Pathetic.
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Here's a prime example of Eric Witholder's and Obama's "transparency":
(http://www.jeffhead.com/images/fandfreda.jpg)
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Who is this overweight geek? Gerald Connolly of VA. He basically called these proceedings a kangaroo court. That is another democratic party tactic. Whenever they don't get what they want, they discredit everyone around them. Pathetic.
3 dead agents, hundreds of dead mexicans, 1500 guns still on the loose and these communist thugs still prtect obama
FUCK YOU OBAMA
FUCK YOU HOLDER
FUCK YOU OBAMA SUPPORTERS
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Here's a prime example of Eric Witholder's and Obama's "transparency":
(http://www.jeffhead.com/images/fandfreda.jpg)
Obama is not going to make it till November.
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Grassley: DOJ Retracts Holder Gunwalking Statement to Senate Committee
CBS News via Twitter ^ | Wednesday, June 20, 2012 | Sharyl Atkisson
Sen. Grassley: DOJ retracts 2d statement made to the Senate Judiciary Committee. ..
Sen. Grassley: At hearing last wk, Holder claimed his predecessor Mukasey, had been briefed about gunwalking in Operation Wide Receiver.
Sen. Grassley: Now, the Department is retracting that statement and claiming Holder “inadvertently” made that claim to the Committee.
Cancer on the Presidency
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014147977
The DUmp in total denial.
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obama just dickslapped Issa.
fuck, he's a cold politician. without morals, but highly effective.
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obama just dickslapped Issa.
fuck, he's a cold politician. without morals, but highly effective.
False moron! He just connected himself to the F&F scandal as executive priv only extends to communications between the WH and DOJ.
STFU moron - like i said - obama is getting tossed aside for Hillary.
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False moron! He just connected himself to the F&F scandal as executive priv only extends to communications between the WH and DOJ.
STFU moron - like i said - obama is getting tossed aside for Hillary.
so what? nobody is going to prison and in 2 weeks, this story is gone now.
obama is turning out to be an evil, cruel, morally bankrupt yet highly effective politician.
Remember that week when he killed bin laden and provided long-form birth cert in a 24 hour period...
it's like that again - Eliminates F&F as a threat, and rubio as a threat too.
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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/viewart/20120620/NEWS09/120620005/Obama-asserts-executive-privilege-Fast-Furious
How can obama claim privledge for docs he claim he never saw?
B U S T E D
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so what? nobody is going to prison and in 2 weeks, this story is gone now.
obama is turning out to be an evil, cruel, morally bankrupt yet highly effective politician.
Remember that week when he killed bin laden and provided long-form birth cert in a 24 hour period...
it's like that again - Eliminates F&F as a threat, and rubio as a threat too.
What are you smoking?
Bin Laden? PLEASE!!! A month later, Obama's numbers were BACK DOWN to where they were before Bin Laden was killed and by August, Obama was in the 30s.
Obama hasn't eliminated JACK. He's thrown himself DEAD CENTER into this controversy at a time where he can ill-afford it.
Eliminating Rubio? Don't bet on it. At the end of the day, this goes back to the economy and Obamensty isn't going to mask the president's terrible record.
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One is a hero who died because of obama. The other is a disgusting thug and traitor.
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obama just dickslapped Issa.
fuck, he's a cold politician. without morals, but highly effective.
40 straight months of over 8% unemployment, and you consider him "highly effective"?
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Busted?
He just abused exec orders to bury a MAJOR crime by Holder. Holder gets away with it now. He doesn't lose his job or get impeached, and obama doesn't have to hear about his disgraced AG in the fall.
Obama just made this shit a non-issue, and yall are doing cartwheels celebrating?
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Busted?
He just abused exec orders to bury a MAJOR crime by Holder. Holder gets away with it now. He doesn't lose his job or get impeached, and obama doesn't have to hear about his disgraced AG in the fall.
Obama just made this shit a non-issue, and yall are doing cartwheels celebrating?
stfu - he is covering up his own crimes asshole!
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40 plus months of over 8% unemployment, and you consider him "highly effective"?
he's highly effective at playing politics and employing presidential power to meet his goals.
he passed dream and made FF go away - two horrible things - using exec orders.
He pushed obamacare thru - also total garbage.
So yes, for his liberal garbage agenda, he is effective.
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stfu - he is covering up his own crimes asshole!
no shit. thank you captain obvious.
the thing is - HOW DO YOU PROVE IT? How does that get holder in a cell? it doesn't. He can just claim nat'l security or favor for mexico or some bullshit.
he used POWER OF THE UNCUMBENCY to get away with felonies. And you're celebrating. what the cawkfvck is wrong here.
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he's highly effective at playing politics and employing presidential power to meet his goals.
he passed dream and made FF go away - two horrible things - using exec orders.
He pushed obamacare thru - also total garbage.
So yes, for his liberal garbage agenda, he is effective.
Jesus Christ are you a fucking lying sack of shit.
Fuck you.
Fast and Furious is going to make this thug step down , LIKE I SAID!
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see OF COURSE obama and holders are guilty as shit here.
The thing is - this exec power bullshit that presidents have been using for years is a BIG PROBLEM. They keep bailing themselves out of felonies by hiding all the evidence from the public.
Everyone on getbig knows obama is hiding his guilt here and protecting holder - but the middle 10% that decides elections sure doesnt'. The hit he takes are with people that weren't going to vote obama anyway - informed conservatives. He never had them for the election anyway.
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Jesus Christ are you a fucking lying sack of shit.
Fuck you.
Fast and Furious is going to make this thug step down , LIKE I SAID!
O i see.
Now that the evidence in the case has been forever buried, Obama and/or Holder will be leaving office as a result?
Seems unlkiely to me.
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O i see.
Now that the evidence in the case has been forever buried, Obama and/or Holder will be leaving office as a result?
Seems unlkiely to me.
No its not buried forever - obama is going to have the media hounding him daily now until this is over.
He just set off a wildfire on this.
I really fucking cant believe how utterly ridiculous you have become.
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Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious
June 20, 2012
Paul Bedard
Washington Secrets
The Washington Examiner
E@SecretsBedard
In a second major retraction over its version of the the Justice Department's gun-walking scandal, the department has retracted Attorney General Eric Holder's charge in a hearing last week that his Bush administration predecessor had been briefed on the affair.
In a memo just released by Sen. Chuck Grassley, he reveals that Holder also didn't apologize to former Attorney General Michael Mukasey for dragging him into the Fast & Furious scandal that is headed for a major legal clash and likely contempt of Congress charge against Holder.
According to Grassley's memo, Justice said that Holder "inadvertently" made the charge in a hearing.
Here is the full text of the Grassley memo:
To: Reporters and Editors
Re: Second retraction of Fast and Furious Assertions
Da: Wednesday, June 20, 2012
The Justice Department has retracted a second statement made to the Senate Judiciary Committee. During a hearing last week, Attorney General Eric Holder claimed that his predecessor, then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey, had been briefed about gunwalking in Operation Wide Receiver. Now, the Department is retracting that statement and claiming Holder "inadvertently" made that claim to the Committee. The Department's letter failed to apologize to former Attorney General Mukasey for the false accusation. This is the second major retraction the Justice Department has made in the last seven months. In December 2011, the Department retracted its claim that the ATF had not allowed illegally purchased guns to be trafficked to Mexico. Sen. Chuck Grassley's letter and the Department's response can be viewed here-1.
In addition, the Justice Department released only one page of additional material prior to the Attorney General's meeting on Capitol Hill on Tuesday. It is a page of handwritten notes by a public affairs specialist for the Deputy Attorney General, which the Department says it "just recently discovered." The notes indicate that when Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein met with senior ATF officials on April 28, 2010, regarding the problem of gunwalking in Wide Receiver, the Deputy Attorney General's public affairs specialist also attended the meeting. These notes can be viewed here-2.
The notes indicate that Fast and Furious was also a topic discussed at the meeting, in addition to Wide Receiver. These notes further corroborate contemporaneous emails in 2010 that show Criminal Division Chief Lanny Breuer and Weinstein seemed to have been more concerned about the press implications of gunwalking than they were about making sure ATF ended the practice. (These emails can be viewed here-3.) The notes also undermine the claim that senior DOJ officials failed to "make the connection" between the gunwalking in Wide Receiver--which Breuer admitted to knowing about--and gunwalking in Fast and Furious. In fact, both cases were discussed by senior Department leadership and senior ATF leadership.
Grassley made the following comment on these developments.
"This is the second time in nearly seven months that the Department has gotten its facts wrong about gunwalking. Attorney General Holder accused Attorney General Mukasey, without producing any evidence, of having been briefed on gunwalking in Wide Receiver. The case Attorney General Mukasey was briefed on, Hernandez, is fundamentally different from both Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious since it involved cooperation with the Mexican government. Attorney General Holder's retraction should have included an apology to the former Attorney General.
"In his eagerness to blame the previous administration, Attorney General Holder got his facts wrong. And his tactic didn't bring us any closer to understanding how a bad policy evolved and continued. Bad policy is bad policy, regardless of how many administrations carried it out. Ironically, the only document produced yesterday by the Department appears to show that senior officials in the Attorney General's own Department were strategizing about how to keep gunwalking in both Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious under wraps."
http://washingtonexaminer.com/holder-retracts-claim-bush-team-knew-about-fast-and-furious/article/2500157
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Blame Bush = FAIL
Obama and holder are not going to make it to November
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No its not buried forever - obama is going to have the media hounding him daily now until this is over.
He just set off a wildfire on this.
I really fucking cant believe how utterly ridiculous you have become.
No, I'm being realisitc.
I thought 'the media" was in his pocket and workign to re-elect him.
He will have fox & drudge hounding him daily. until it is no longer profitable for them. If it bleeds, it leads, and now that obama has forever buried any evidence that could destroy he and holder, all fox/drudge has is the stink of it, whose ratings will be less and less each day.
33 - I think you're confusing my realistic perception of things with some endorsement of his behavior - it is no such thing. Obama belongs in prison for F&F. but the reality is that aside from a few thousand ppl on message boards who were already voting ABO, the F&F issue will be a footnote in a month. It sfucked up, its not right, but it's reality. FOX/drudge will be on some sex scandal or screaming about michelle's obesity or something, cause no offence, but the majority of fox viewrs like a dumbed down exciting story over "it's 3 months later and we're still made about how obama hid F&F documents..."
So please, stop accusing me of being a kneepadder - i'm realistic. He just buried all documents which could hurt him. All there is now is people mad about that. hardly something to destroy him.
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:)
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Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious
that's probably part of the 'make it all go away' deal.
Holders talks to the old DOJ team and promises to publicly clear them when he is himself cleared. They have no stink now, and no motive to keep the story alive.
This is just loose ends. I hate to tell ya 33, but obama will take a short hit and everyone keeps their jobs. Joe Moderate voter isn't going to consider F&F when he votes in 6 months.
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No, I'm being realisitc.
I thought 'the media" was in his pocket and workign to re-elect him.
He will have fox & drudge hounding him daily. until it is no longer profitable for them. If it bleeds, it leads, and now that obama has forever buried any evidence that could destroy he and holder, all fox/drudge has is the stink of it, whose ratings will be less and less each day.
33 - I think you're confusing my realistic perception of things with some endorsement of his behavior - it is no such thing. Obama belongs in prison for F&F. but the reality is that aside from a few thousand ppl on message boards who were already voting ABO, the F&F issue will be a footnote in a month. It sfucked up, its not right, but it's reality. FOX/drudge will be on some sex scandal or screaming about michelle's obesity or something, cause no offence, but the majority of fox viewrs like a dumbed down exciting story over "it's 3 months later and we're still made about how obama hid F&F documents..."
So please, stop accusing me of being a kneepadder - i'm realistic. He just buried all documents which could hurt him. All there is now is people mad about that. hardly something to destroy him.
Nixon thought he was doing the same thing too.
'What did Obama know and when did he know it?" will now be talk of the news until obama comes clean.
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Nixon thought he was doing the same thing too.
'What did Obama know and when did he know it?" will now be talk of the news until obama comes clean.
we disagree. I guess we will see.
My own belief is that 150 days from now, even fox/drudge aren't leading any stories about F&F.
You disagree. I guess we'll see.
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we disagree. I guess we will see.
My own belief is that 150 days from now, even fox/drudge aren't leading any stories about F&F.
You disagree. I guess we'll see.
I am still holding to him stepping down. He is now covering up a murder for fucks sake!
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I believe casey anthony is a guilty babykiller. I believe her defense team did a great job beating the rap.
Am I a casey anthony kneepadder? Or just realistic?
Smae thing here - Obama/Holder are guilty and belong in prison - but he used presidential powers and did a good job beating the rap.
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Remember how just yesterday StrawDouche was saying Obama isn't a pathological liar?
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I am still holding to him stepping down. He is now covering up a murder for fucks sake!
would you bet $ that obama will step down?
he's guilty as shit, but he's not stepping down dude.
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Nixon thought he was doing the same thing too.
'What did Obama know and when did he know it?" will now be talk of the news until obama comes clean.
As the saying goes, "The coverup is often worse than the crime". Now, Obama's covering for Holder. That is BAD NEWS, as Obama has done a swan-dive into a scandal, which couldn't have come as a worse time.
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No one died in the Watergate scandal.
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As the saying goes, "The coverup is often worse than the crime". Now, Obama's covering for Holder. That is BAD NEWS, as Obama has done a swan-dive into a scandal, which couldn't have come as a worse time.
The coverup for most people doesn't involve possession of a thing called 'exec priv'. The coverup usually leads to perjury charges. In this case, obama makes the whole case go away. Clinton should have 'exec priv' on monica.
Let's make this simple - do any getbiggers predic ta plummet in polls for obama based upon this F&F? If so, are you serious?
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240 once again proving he's the biggest asshole on this sub-forum. I don't get why anyone even entertains this troll's posts anymore.
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240 once again proving he's the biggest asshole on this sub-forum. I don't get why anyone even entertains this troll's posts anymore.
i guess i just see repubs celebrating this, and i'm confused. I dont see this as a win for them. Do you?
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The coverup for most people doesn't involve possession of a thing called 'exec priv'. The coverup usually leads to perjury charges. In this case, obama makes the whole case go away. Clinton should have 'exec priv' on monica.
Let's make this simple - do any getbiggers predic ta plummet in polls for obama based upon this F&F? If so, are you serious?
This case is hardly going away. Now the heat is squarely on him, thinking that there's something in those documents that implicates both him and Holder. Normally, Obama isn't shy about hanging people out to dry.
What gives here?
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This case is hardly going away. Now the heat is squarely on him, thinking that there's something in those documents that implicates both him and Holder. Normally, Obama isn't shy about hanging people out to dry.
What gives here?
Okay. My personal opinion is that the left media (the majority of it) just ignores it completely now.
The right-wing media (fox and drudge) will have to decide if they want to sacrifice ratings/$ for what is 'right' here. Will they ignore a sex scandal, Rubio's rise, Obama's DREAM BS, and um, THE ECONOMY, to keep this story front and center - all while their short-attention-span american viewers start yawning?
I mean, with rev wright, they got 6 months of airtime out of that shouting chuch clip. But here, it's documents, and a case that has already dragged for 2 years without an indictment. Maybe you think FOX/Drudge iwll still make this #1 in 2 months. me, I doubt it. (Again, for those who don't udnerstand - i'm not endorsing obaam here - it's a felony - I'm just discussing the politicla ramifications).
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Okay. My personal opinion is that the left media (the majority of it) just ignores it completely now.
The right-wing media (fox and drudge) will have to decide if they want to sacrifice ratings/$ for what is 'right' here. Will they ignore a sex scandal, Rubio's rise, Obama's DREAM BS, and um, THE ECONOMY, to keep this story front and center - all while their short-attention-span american viewers start yawning?
I mean, with rev wright, they got 6 months of airtime out of that shouting chuch clip. But here, it's documents, and a case that has already dragged for 2 years without an indictment. Maybe you think FOX/Drudge iwll still make this #1 in 2 months. me, I doubt it. (Again, for those who don't udnerstand - i'm not endorsing obaam here - it's a felony - I'm just discussing the politicla ramifications).
Sacrifice WHAT ratings? And where do you get this daft notion that Fox can't cover this issue (and the others) without a drop in viewership?
Tomorrow, the jobs numbers come out. And, if it's more bad news, that just adds to Obama woes.
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Sacrifice WHAT ratings? And where do you get this daft notion that Fox can't cover this issue (and the others) without a drop in viewership?
Tomorrow, the jobs numbers come out. And, if it's more bad news, that just adds to Obama woes.
I'm pretty confident that if obama is caught in the oval office giving a backrub to Tyra Banks, the amount of coverage given to F&F will plummet.
You disaagree?
I'm still a CTer thinking trayvon was a distraction (one of many) to keep economy out of the news.
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I'm pretty confident that if obama is caught in the oval office giving a backrub to Tyra Banks, the amount of coverage given to F&F will plummet.
You disaagree?
I'm still a CTer thinking trayvon was a distraction (one of many) to keep economy out of the news.
The economy is NOT being taken out of the news. When the jobs numbers come out (and if they're horrible), that will jump to the forefront. This issue isn't going anywhere, but it will be a tack-on foul to the bad economic numbers.
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The economy is NOT being taken out of the news. When the jobs numbers come out (and if they're horrible), that will jump to the forefront. This issue isn't going anywhere, but it will be a tack-on foul to the bad economic numbers.
I dunno. FOX has some lame ass stories on the front page. Nothing exciting/rating$ about the economy sucking. But a new iSurface pad? Edwards? woo hoo!
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I'm pretty confident that if obama is caught in the oval office giving a backrub to Tyra Banks, the amount of coverage given to F&F will plummet.
You disaagree?
I'm still a CTer thinking trayvon was a distraction (one of many) to keep economy out of the news.
How come CNN and MSNBC are not covering this situation?
They mention it for about 30 seconds and then spend an hour on Romney.
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How come CNN and MSNBC are not covering this situation?
They mention it for about 30 seconds and then spend an hour on Romney.
msn and cnn are devoted to getting obama re-elected. They will ignore the story now, completely.
FOX/drudge are the only hopes. And i you've seen their home page - they could have a slot about the economy - but no, rather they roll with Edwards' mistress calling someone a witch on wheels.
Yes, a name called. From some disgraced mistress of a disgraced politician. THAT is more important than the economy. They give the other 2 smaller slots to a new gadget and a nice religious wedge issue. SEe that? fucking pitiful, to be honest.
No, msn and cnn are in the tank for obama. And FOX cares more about wedge issues, gadgets, and mistress remarks, than the economy.
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Grassley: DOJ Retracts Holder Gunwalking Statement to Senate Committee
CBS News via Twitter ^ | Wednesday, June 20, 2012 | Sharyl Atkisson
Sen. Grassley: DOJ retracts 2d statement made to the Senate Judiciary Committee. ..
Sen. Grassley: At hearing last wk, Holder claimed his predecessor Mukasey, had been briefed about gunwalking in Operation Wide Receiver.
Sen. Grassley: Now, the Department is retracting that statement and claiming Holder “inadvertently” made that claim to the Committee.
Cancer on the Presidency
Just read this on Drudge.
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;). Obama and 180 are so desperate to kneepad obama its not funny sad and pathetic.
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Busted?
He just abused exec orders to bury a MAJOR crime by Holder. Holder gets away with it now. He doesn't lose his job or get impeached, and obama doesn't have to hear about his disgraced AG in the fall.
Obama just made this shit a non-issue, and yall are doing cartwheels celebrating?
History wasn't your best subject was it? Or did you forget or not even read about Nixon? He, meaning Obama abused his exec order to bury (cover up) a MAJOR crime. Think about that. This is Obama's Watergate only on an entirely different level.
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:). Most corruPt deceptive destructive admn ever.
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what happens after the contempt charge passes? I suppose absolutely nothing?
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what happens after the contempt charge passes? I suppose absolutely nothing?
We'll see in November. There can't be that many Obama apologists that will vote for him.
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History wasn't your best subject was it? Or did you forget or not even read about Nixon? He, meaning Obama abused his exec order to bury (cover up) a MAJOR crime. Think about that. This is Obama's Watergate only on an entirely different level.
I dont understand - we agree completely that obama used an exec order to hide a felony.
333386 brought up nixon. That is entirely different, a break-in.
My point is that giving ANY prez the power to shield himself or his admin from criminal prosection is dangerous. Bush shouldn't have had it, Obma shouldn't have it, and Pres Romney or Rand Paul or Paul Ryan shound't have it.
But they will. And every one of them will get away with anything they want.
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what happens after the contempt charge passes? I suppose absolutely nothing?
Is there a sentence of some kind or does this just go on Holder's record as a way of saying you've been a naughty boy, now run along... Does anything happen or is this a total waste of time? I'd like to see him handcuffed and tossed behind a cell for a while... No chance of that I suppose...
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Brian Terry family ‘disappointed’ with Obama on Fast and Furious
June 20, 2012
Commentary Staff Writer
The Washington Examiner
E@charliespiering
The family of slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry have released the following statement, on the day the House Oversight Committee weighs a Contempt of Congress Resolution against Attorney General Holder, for his failure to disclose information related to Operation Fast and Furious.
Attorney General Eric Holder’s refusal to fully disclose the documents associated with Operation Fast and Furious and President Obama’s assertion of executive privilege serves to compound this tragedy. It denies the Terry family and the American people the truth. Our son, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, was killed by members of a Mexican drug cartel armed with weapons from this failed Justice Department gun trafficking investigation. For more than 18 months we have been asking our federal government for justice and accountability. The documents sought by the House Oversight Committee and associated with Operation Fast and Furious should be produced and turned over to the committee. Our son lost his life protecting this nation, and it is very disappointing that we are now faced with an administration that seems more concerned with protecting themselves rather than revealing the truth behind Operation Fast and Furious.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/brian-terry-family-disappointed-with-obama-on-fast-and-furious/article/2500190
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Romney Campaign Says Obama Fast And Furious Decision “Another Broken Promise”
Press Secretary Andrea Saul piles on the White House.
Zeke Miller BuzzFeed Staff
Image by Susan Walsh / AP
Posted Jun 20, 2012 1:33pm EDT
Romney Press Secretary Andrea Saul attacked President Barack Obama's decision to invoke executive privilege on documents pertaining to the Fast and Furious scandal requested by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
“President Obama’s pledge to run the most open and transparent administration in history has turned out to be just another broken promise,” she said in a statement to BuzzFeed.
The scandal has largely been ignored by the media and the American public, but is entering the mainstream as the committee prepares to vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over the documents.
The contempt vote centers around documents contempt from after February 4, 2011 — the fate the Department of Justice first tried to downplay the failed operation — to examine why it took so long to acknowledge the operation's flaws, the management practices at the department, and how it treated whistle-blowers.
In his letter to Obama requesting privilege, Holder requested that those documents not be released to Congress, saying they spoke to how the department responds to congressional and media inquiries — which have traditionally been held back by previous Attorneys General.
The Romney response keeps the campaign out of the nitty-gritty of the investigation, while alleging Obama violated a campaign promise to further transparency in government.
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that was fucking good. points made in a way that just can't be argued against.
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It seems Obama just put himself directly in the middle of this scandal. He wasn't in it and now he is.
What is he hiding?
What can't be hid away are 3 dead agents, hundreds of dead Mexicans (maybe more?) and a shit load of guns on the streets of Mexico and in the hands of criminals.
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It seems Obama just put himself directly in the middle of this scandal. He wasn't in it and now he is.
What is he hiding?
What can't be hid away are 3 dead agents, hundreds of dead Mexicans (maybe more?) and a shit load of guns on the streets of Mexico and in the hands of criminals.
Obama/Hillary are knee deep in this.
No way someone low down just decides to do international crimes like this.
Remember - the Deputy AG said Obama/Holder specifically directed them to do this.
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White House Mocks Issa Fast & Furious Investigation as "Political Theater"
CBS News via Twitter ^ | Wednesday, June 20, 2012 | Mark Knoller
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:03:23 PM by kristinn
WH Comms Dir @pfeiffer44 slams Oversight Cmte for pursuing "a politically-motivated, taxpayer-funded election-year fishing expedition."
In written statement, @pfeiffer44 says House GOP should work with Presd Obama "to create more jobs, not more political theater.”
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Executive Power Grab on F&F Documents
Alana Goodman | @alanagoodman 06.20.2012 - 12:08 PM
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/06/20/obama-power-grab-on-fast-and-furious-documents
Because nothing says “I have nothing to hide” like an executive power grab to block investigators from looking at government documents:
President Barack Obama has asserted executive privilege over documents sought by a House committee investigating the botched Fast and Furious gun-running sting, according to a letter to the panel Wednesday from Deputy Attorney Gen. James Cole.
The move means the Department of Justice can withhold the documents from the House Oversight Committee, which was scheduled to consider a contempt measure Wednesday against [Attorney General Eric] Holder.
The immediate question raised by this sudden assertion of executive people is whether President Obama was involved in the scandal. Why would he put himself at risk of serious political backlash if this was all about simply protecting Holder — who is about to be charged with contempt of Congress anyway? And if there is something damaging about Obama or top White House officials in those papers, maybe that explains why Holder still has a job despite the growing calls for his resignation.
The Department of Justice and the Obama administration is going to try to defend this as a necessary response to a baldly political witch hunt by House Republicans. But will the public buy that at this point? Not only are there numerous signs of behind-the-scenes shadiness that we already know about — the timing inconsistencies, Holder’s misstatements — there’s also the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent at the top of the story. Is the Obama administration actually going to argue that the family of Agent Brian Terry doesn’t deserve to know the full circumstances surrounding his death?
Obama’s assertion of executive privilege turned this from a political back-and-forth between the DOJ and a congressional committee into a full-blown scandal ensnaring the president. What exactly is hiding in those papers that pushed Obama to take this risk?
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fox news is apeshit livid about this on their website.
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that was fucking good. points made in a way that just can't be argued against.
Dude was fucking lit up. Kinda cool to actually see some passion from some of these guys, rather than just typical wooden politics.
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Blaming Bush backfired big time today on Holder/Obama and now Holder faces another perjury claim.
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What is the Obama Administration Hiding, and Why Are They Hiding It?
Peter Wehner | @Peter_Wehner 06.20.2012 - 2:06 PM
Attorney General Eric Holder has a problem with the accuracy of his congressional testimonies.
For example, on May 3, 2011, Holder – when asked when he became aware of the “Fast and Furious” gun-walking scandal, told the House Judiciary Committee, “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.” But as CBS News reported, “Internal Justice Department documents show that at least ten months before that hearing, Holder began receiving frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious.” This forced Holder to confess to Senate Republicans that the Justice Department had provided “inaccurate” information to Congress during his May 3 testimony.
Now comes Retraction Number Two.
In a memo today from Republican Senator Charles Grassley, we’re informed, “The Justice Department has retracted a second statement made to the Senate Judiciary Committee. During a hearing last week, Attorney General Eric Holder claimed that his predecessor, then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey, had been briefed about gunwalking in Operation Wide Receiver. Now, the Department is retracting that statement and claiming Holder ‘inadvertently’ made that claim to the Committee. The Department’s letter failed to apologize to former Attorney General Mukasey for the false accusation.”
Grassley went on to make this statement:
This is the second time in nearly seven months that the Department has gotten its facts wrong about gunwalking. Attorney General Holder accused Attorney General Mukasey, without producing any evidence, of having been briefed on gunwalking in Wide Receiver. The case Attorney General Mukasey was briefed on, Hernandez, is fundamentally different from both Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious since it involved cooperation with the Mexican government. Attorney General Holder’s retraction should have included an apology to the former Attorney General.
In his eagerness to blame the previous administration, Attorney General Holder got his facts wrong. And his tactic didn’t bring us any closer to understanding how a bad policy evolved and continued. Bad policy is bad policy, regardless of how many administrations carried it out. Ironically, the only document produced yesterday by the Department appears to show that senior officials in the Attorney General’s own department were strategizing about how to keep gunwalking in both Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious under wraps.
So let’s consider where we are. Congress has been misled several times by the Attorney General. We don’t yet know if Holder committed perjury or was simply incompetent in making the claims he did. But we do know that President Obama, who was once a harsh critic of executive privilege when it came to his predecessor, has suddenly discovered a real fondness for it. Obama, in fact, is now invoking executive privilege in order to prevent Congress for getting the documents it needs in order to investigate a program that was, by any measure, a scandalous failure that led to the deaths of innocent Americans and Mexicans.
Which raises these questions: As Alana noted earlier, what is the Obama administration hiding? And why are they hiding it?
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/06/20/what-is-obama-administration-hiding-and-why
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this is going to drag on for a few years, and nothing will come of it
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this is going to drag on for a few years, and nothing will come of it
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Good. This is going to drag obama right into the mud the more he covers up his failed deadly scam.
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I dunno. FOX has some lame ass stories on the front page. Nothing exciting/rating$ about the economy sucking. But a new iSurface pad? Edwards? woo hoo!
Did you not just read what I said about the jobs numbers coming out later this week?
When Fox, or any other news outlet, points out the economic numbers, you want to focus on other items.
When other items, that shows Obama's incompetence and/or treachery, come to the forefront, then you want the focus to be on the economy (as if that helps Obama one bit).
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He’s directly involved [Reader Post]
By: DrJohn
Dick Morris appeared on Fox and Friends this morning and was eerily prescient. The crew was discussing Fast and Furious and the possible Eric Holder Contempt of Congress vote that looms. Someone asked Morris what he thought was going on and Morris said that it seemed that Obama was going to allow Holder to take the hits on his own over F&F. Otherwise Obama would drop a cloak of Executive Privilege over the documents, but that would in turn make it appear as though Barack Obama was directly involved in the mess.
And now it appears he is directly involved.
President Obama on Wednesday asserted executive privilege over documents sought by a House panel ahead of a scheduled panel vote where Attorney General Eric Holder is expected to be held in contempt of Congress.
It’s the first time Obama has used executive privilege since taking office. A White House aide said the president had gone longer without asserting the privilege in a congressional dispute than any other president in the last three decades.
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said his panel was “evaluating” a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole asserting the privilege that arrived minutes before Issa’s committee was to begin contempt proceedings. The vote was to take place Wednesday after a last-ditch effort to reach a deal over documents related to Operation Fast and Furious failed on Tuesday night.
Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley asked some pointed questions about the assertion of Privilege:
““The assertion of executive privilege raises monumental questions. How can the President assert executive privilege if there was no White House involvement? How can the President exert executive privilege over documents he’s supposedly never seen? Is something very big being hidden to go to this extreme? The contempt citation is an important procedural mechanism in our system of checks and balances. The questions from Congress go to determining what happened in a disastrous government program for accountability and so that it’s never repeated again.”
Watch and listen to this hypocrite be critical of hiding behind Executive Privilege
The man who just can’t shut up when it comes to some national secrets clearly doesn’t want something discovered. Now it seems highly likely that this scandal goes right to the top. Yet if not, Obama has learned nothing from Watergate.
It’s like Obama said
“I think the American people deserve to know what was going on.”
Obama has denied any knowledge of the tragic gun running operation. Either Executive Privilege does not apply or Obama is directly involved and has lied about it.
UPDATE
It’s really hitting the fan
No sooner does Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee jump to Holder’s defense and tries to pin F&F falsely on Bush
than Holder retracts that assertion
http://floppingaces.net/2012/06/20/hes-directly-involved-reader-post
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Good. This is going to drag obama right into the mud the more he covers up his failed deadly scam.
wishfull thinking but it's going nowhere
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Murdered Border Agent’s Family Says President Obama ‘Compounding This Tragedy’ with Executive Privilege Assertion
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/murdered-border-agents-family-says-president-obama-compounding-this-tragedy-with-executive-privilege-assertion
Image credit: U.S. Customs and Border Protection/AP
The family of slain U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, who was killed with guns tied to the Fast and Furious program, issued a statement Wednesday afternoon accusing President Obama of compounding their family tragedy by invoking executive privilege.
President Obama invoked executive privilege to shield the Justice Department from having to release documents sought by House Republican investigating the secret law enforcement program, wherein weapons smugglers were permitted to buy guns so law enforcement could trace them to drug cartels. Law enforcement lost track of hundreds of the guns, which began showing up at crime scenes, most tragically in December 2010, where Terry was killed.
Terry family attorney Pat McGroder on Wednesday released the following statement from Terry’s parents Josephine Terry and Kent Terry Sr.: “Attorney General Eric Holder’s refusal to fully disclose the documents associated with Operation Fast and Furious and President Obama’s assertion of executive privilege serves to compound this tragedy. It denies the Terry family and the American people the truth.”
The Terrys said that their son “was killed by members of a Mexican drug cartel armed with weapons from this failed Justice Department gun trafficking investigation. For more than 18 months we have been asking our federal government for justice and accountability. The documents sought by the House Oversight Committee and associated with Operation Fast and Furious should be produced and turned over to the committee. Our son lost his life protecting this nation, and it is very disappointing that we are now faced with an administration that seems more concerned with protecting themselves rather than revealing the truth behind Operation Fast and Furious.”
Earlier today, Josephine Terry was on Philadelphia Talk Radio 1210 WPHT.
Asked about the president’s assertion, she said, “The only thing I can say is, if he did that they apparently don’t want Issa to get the documents to see what’s in there.”
“My son and I were very, very close,” she continued. “And my son was a person that believed in justice and he believed in telling the truth. He was a man of his honor. And if anybody knew him, they knew that. And I know he would be saying ‘you know what, I died for my country.’ He was a true American and I think he deserves the truth and I think everybody should know the truth. And if this was a bad thing they did with Fast and Furious it should be acknowledged so it never happens to anybody else’s son.”
-Jake Tapper and Mary Bruce
Get more pure politics at ABC News.com/Politics and a lighter take on the news at OTUSNews.com
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OBAMA = YOU LIE!
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333386 ==
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Obama = BUSTED
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333386 ==
STFU - obama / holder have deaths of hundreds on their hands and you pofs want to brush it under the rug?
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the only place this is going to matter is in your little world :D
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the only place this is going to matter is in your little world :D
Whatever moron.
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hahaha great comeback whether you like it or not nothing is going to come of it
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STFU - obama / holder have deaths of hundreds on their hands and you pofs want to brush it under the rug?
Exactly!!
But, the two of them were have more important things about which to worry, like Romney's missionary service.
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hahaha great comeback whether you like it or not nothing is going to come of it
LOL. Yeah - Holder alreadyt in contempt of court and obama seeking nixon like exec power claims.
Nothing to see here of course.
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whether you like it or not nothing is going to come of it :o
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whether you like it or not nothing is going to come of it :o
Tell that to Eric Holder
bbbbboooommmmmmm!!!!!!
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tell us what you think is going to happen ??? i say nothing
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tell us what you think is going to happen ??? i say nothing
Obama is going to step aside and let Hillary run.
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the only place this is going to carry on is on talk radio,rush and his followers the dildo heads or whatever they call them
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Boehner, Cantor Announce House Fast & Furious Contempt Vote Next Week
speaker.gov ^
Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Boehner, Cantor Announce House Fast & Furious Contempt Vote Next Week Posted by Speaker Boehner Press Office June 20, 2012 Press Release
WASHINGTON, DC – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) issued the following statement after the House Oversight & Government Reform Committee approved a resolution holding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt for his refusal to turn over subpoenaed documents related to the Fast & Furious operation:
“Despite being given multiple opportunities to provide the documents necessary for Congress’ investigation into Fast and Furious, Attorney General Holder continues to stonewall. Today, the Administration took the extraordinary step of exerting executive privilege over documents that the Attorney General had already agreed to provide to Congress. Fast and Furious was a reckless operation that led to the death of an American border agent, and the American people deserve to know the facts to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again. While we had hoped it would not come to this, unless the Attorney General reevaluates his choice and supplies the promised documents, the House will vote to hold him in contempt next week. If, however, Attorney General Holder produces these documents prior to the scheduled vote, we will give the Oversight Committee an opportunity to review in hopes of resolving this issue.”
great! FUCK OBAMA AND FUCK HOLDER!
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we all know Holder would just be pardoned, should he ever receive any charge.
power of the incumbency. people are starting to realize it.
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we all know Holder would just be pardoned, should he ever receive any charge.
power of the incumbency. people are starting to realize it.
the only person who thinks this is going somewhere is 333386 :D :D
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we all know Holder would just be pardoned, should he ever receive any charge.
power of the incumbency. people are starting to realize it.
Yeah - thats going to look just great for boy wonder obama
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Yeah - thats going to look just great for boy wonder obama
look great with who?
you're not going to convince a soccer dad to raise his taxes $1k a year because Holder wrote something false in some document.
you're not going to convince a mom to cancel healthcare for her 19 year old daughter because there might be something to F&F but it cant be proven.
everyone who is smart enough to know F&F was straight up felony has already been an "ABO" voter for 3+ years now.
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THOSE FAST AND FURIOUS DOCUMENTS MUST BE DYNAMITE
My friend Bill Otis was a Justice Department lawyer for many years. He spent a good portion of those years as a prosecutor. He also served as an attorney in the White House Counsel’s shop, so he knows all about dealing with unpleasant congressional inventigations and demands for documents.
In short, Bill is extremely very well positioned to comment knowledgably on the dispute between Rep. Issa’s Committee and Eric Holder, and on the White House’s decision to assert executive privilege. Here is what Bill had to say:
Even with his fawning press, [Presdient Obama] will pay a price for this one. He knows this, meaning that the documents now to be withheld must be dynamite. They have to show either that Holder knew what was going on with Fast and Furious and approved it, or that he directly committed perjury in his Congressional testimony, or both. I just can’t see any other explanation for such a risky move.
Wasn’t the Washington Post just covering big time the 40th anniversary of Watergate? I wonder how much coverage this one will get.
UPDATE: Some have speculated that Obama’s intervention means that the president himself has something to hide.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/06/those-fast-and-furious-documents-must-be-dynamite.php?ModPagespeed=off
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ICE agent's family files wrongful death claim against Justice Dept.
CBS News ^ | June 20, 2012 4:09 PM | Sharyl Attkisson
Posted on June 20, 2012 7:31:01 PM EDT by Southnsoul
CBS News has learned that the family of ICE Special Agent Jaime Zapata has filed a claim for wrongful death against the Justice Dept. and other federal agencies. Zapata was gunned down by suspected drug cartel members in Mexico in Feb. 2011 with weapons later linked to an ATF case in the Texas area. Joining the claim is Zapata's surviving partner in the attack: Victor Avila.
In an interview last November, Zapata's family told CBS News they feel that U.S. law enforcement could have stopped the sale of a gun used to kill their son. CBS News obtained law enforcement records that show the gun that killed Zapata came from the U.S., and the suspects who allegedly trafficked it had been under law enforcement's watch for months in Dallas but weren't arrested.
In February, CBS News learned a second weapon used in the Zapata attack was also linked to an ongoing case under the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
The Justice Department has said ATF "was not aware of" the suspect's purchase of the gun that killed Zapata when it happened, and that answering further questions would jeopardize the investigation.
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
Good. Fuck Obama and every disgusting traitor an communist thug voting for him.
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I bet obama personally okay'd F&F. Plain and simple. He'll take this minor hit now. Cause him sending some memo like "Just send over 5k guns and let's see what happens dude" or something along those lines would DEStROY his chances in 2012.
This way, he takes a minor hit now. And Reagan bounced back just fine from Iran Contra, Ollie North got his own show.... I bet Holder will have his own MSNBC show one day lol.
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Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline
In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.
On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:
"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."
More Fast and Furious coverage:
Memos contradict Holder on Fast and Furious
Agent: I was ordered to let guns "walk" into Mexico
Gunwalking scandal uncovered at ATF
On Jan. 4, 2011, as ATF prepared a press conference to announce arrests in Fast and Furious, Newell saw it as "(A)nother time to address Multiple Sale on Long Guns issue." And a day after the press conference, Chait emailed Newell: "Bill--well done yesterday... (I)n light of our request for Demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case."
This revelation angers gun rights advocates. Larry Keane, a spokesman for National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry trade group, calls the discussion of Fast and Furious to argue for Demand Letter 3 "disappointing and ironic." Keane says it's "deeply troubling" if sales made by gun dealers "voluntarily cooperating with ATF's flawed 'Operation Fast & Furious' were going to be used by some individuals within ATF to justify imposing a multiple sales reporting requirement for rifles."
The Gun Dealers' Quandary
Several gun dealers who cooperated with ATF told CBS News and Congressional investigators they only went through with suspicious sales because ATF asked them to.
Sometimes it was against the gun dealer's own best judgment.
Read the email
In April, 2010 a licensed gun dealer cooperating with ATF was increasingly concerned about selling so many guns. "We just want to make sure we are cooperating with ATF and that we are not viewed as selling to the bad guys," writes the gun dealer to ATF Phoenix officials, "(W)e were hoping to put together something like a letter of understanding to alleviate concerns of some type of recourse against us down the road for selling these items."
Read the email
ATF's group supervisor on Fast and Furious David Voth assures the gun dealer there's nothing to worry about. "We (ATF) are continually monitoring these suspects using a variety of investigative techniques which I cannot go into detail."
Two months later, the same gun dealer grew more agitated.
"I wanted to make sure that none of the firearms that were sold per our conversation with you and various ATF agents could or would ever end up south of the border or in the hands of the bad guys. I guess I am looking for a bit of reassurance that the guns are not getting south or in the wrong hands...I want to help ATF with its investigation but not at the risk of agents (sic) safety because I have some very close friends that are US Border Patrol agents in southern AZ as well as my concern for all the agents (sic) safety that protect our country."
"It's like ATF created or added to the problem so they could be the solution to it and pat themselves on the back," says one law enforcement source familiar with the facts. "It's a circular way of thinking."
The Justice Department and ATF declined to comment. ATF officials mentioned in this report did not respond to requests from CBS News to speak with them.
The "Demand Letter 3" Debate
The two sides in the gun debate have long clashed over whether gun dealers should have to report multiple rifle sales. On one side, ATF officials argue that a large number of semi-automatic, high-caliber rifles from the U.S. are being used by violent cartels in Mexico. They believe more reporting requirements would help ATF crack down. On the other side, gun rights advocates say that's unconstitutional, and would not make a difference in Mexican cartel crimes.
Two earlier Demand Letters were initiated in 2000 and affected a relatively small number of gun shops. Demand Letter 3 was to be much more sweeping, affecting 8,500 firearms dealers in four southwest border states: Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas. ATF chose those states because they "have a significant number of crime guns traced back to them from Mexico." The reporting requirements were to apply if a gun dealer sells two or more long guns to a single person within five business days, and only if the guns are semi-automatic, greater than .22 caliber and can be fitted with a detachable magazine.
On April 25, 2011, ATF announced plans to implement Demand Letter 3. The National Shooting Sports Foundation is suing the ATF to stop the new rules. It calls the regulation an illegal attempt to enforce a law Congress never passed. ATF counters that it has reasonably targeted guns used most often to "commit violent crimes in Mexico, especially by drug gangs."
Reaction
Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, is investigating Fast and Furious, as well as the alleged use of the case to advance gun regulations. "There's plenty of evidence showing that this administration planned to use the tragedies of Fast and Furious as rationale to further their goals of a long gun reporting requirement. But, we've learned from our investigation that reporting multiple long gun sales would do nothing to stop the flow of firearms to known straw purchasers because many Federal Firearms Dealers are already voluntarily reporting suspicious transactions. It's pretty clear that the problem isn't lack of burdensome reporting requirements."
On July 12, 2011, Sen. Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department oversees ATF. They asked Holder whether officials in his agency discussed how "Fast and Furious could be used to justify additional regulatory authorities." So far, they have not received a response. CBS News asked the Justice Department for comment and context on ATF emails about Fast and Furious and Demand Letter 3, but officials declined to speak with us.
"In light of the evidence, the Justice Department's refusal to answer questions about the role Operation Fast and Furious was supposed to play in advancing new firearms regulations is simply unacceptable," Rep. Issa told CBS News.
Sharyl Attkisson Sharyl Attkisson is a CBS News investigative correspondent based in Washington. All of her stories, videos and blogs are available here.
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By Boston Herald Editorial Staff | Thursday, June 21, 2012 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Editorials
Eighteen months ago U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down in Arizona. Found at the scene of his slaughter were two of the tens of thousands of guns that were allowed to “walk” across the Mexican border into the hands of known thugs by our own Justice Department.
Yesterday President Barack Obama invoked executive privilege to prevent a House committee investigating the so-called Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal from acquiring subpoenaed documents from Justice — a move that comes eight months after the committee’s demand for information in the case.
And on this, the 40th anniversary of the Watergate break-in, it brings to mind the catch-phrase of that era — what did the president know and when did he know it.
That, it seems, is now at the heart of the dispute even as Democratic members of the House Oversight Committee forget their pledge to the Terry family to “not rest” until they get to the bottom of how our own government could be so incredibly stupid as to supply Mexican drug cartels with thousands of state-of-the-art weapons.
A Justice Department official said the executive privilege invoked yesterday applies to documents that explain how the department learned there were problems with the program — an issue which strikes at the heart of the congressional probe. Initially Justice officials had denied — it now turns out falsely — that they had approved the risky gun-walking scheme. And while Justice has turned over some 7,600 documents, that represents about 10 percent of those given to its own inspector general but now refused to Congress.
Obama’s entry into the dispute raises the stakes considerably, allowing House Speaker John Boehner to wonder aloud what the White House has to fear in all this. Presidents don’t — or at least shouldn’t — invoke executive privilege merely in a fit of pique. Justice for Brian Terry surely won’t be served this way.
Article URL: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/editorials/view.bg?articleid=1061140308
Countdown to resignation.
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Countdown to resignation.
what date do you think Holder will resign?
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-made-pre-inaugural-pledge-stopping-guns-mexico-holder-napolitano-worked-issue
BUSTED
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The Fast and Furious scandal is turning into President Obama's Watergate
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100166854/the-fast-and-furious-scandal-is-turning-into-president-obamas-watergate
By Tim StanleyUS politicsLast updated: June 21st, 2012
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Obama is repeating many of the mistakes that led to Nixon's resignation in 1974
Fast and furious hasn’t been discussed a lot in the mainstream media, which is why the facts can seem so preposterous when you read them for the first time. But the story is slowly unraveling and the public is catching up with the madness. On Wednesday, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over his decision to withhold documents related to the “gun walking” operation – documents that President Obama tried to keep secret by invoking executive privilege. The question of why the Prez intervened in this way will surely hang over the investigation and the White House for many months to come. Be patient, conservatives. It took nearly eight months for the Watergate break in to become a national news story. But when it finally did, it toppled a President.
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Here’s what Fast and Furious is all about – and for the uninitiated, be prepared for a shock. In 2009, the US government instructed Arizona gun sellers illegally to sell arms to suspected criminals. Agents working for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) were then ordered not to stop the sales but to allow the arms to “walk” across the border into the arms of Mexican drug-traffickers. According to the Oversight Committee’s report, “The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. [The ATF] initially began using the new gun-walking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department’s strategy. The case was soon renamed ‘Operation Fast and Furious.”
Tracing the arms became difficult, until they starting appearing at bloody crime scenes. Many Mexicans have died from being shot by ATF sanctioned guns, but the scandal only became public after a US federal agent, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, was killed by one of them in a fire fight. ATF whistle blowers started to come forward and the Department of Justice was implicated. It’s estimated that the US government effectively supplied 1,608 weapons to criminals, at a total value of over $1 million. Aside from putting American citizens in danger, the AFT also supplied what now amounts to a civil war within Mexico.
It’s important to note that the Bush administration oversaw something similar to Fast and Furious. Called Operation Wide Receiver, it used the common tactic of “controlled delivery,” whereby agents would allow an illegal transaction to take place, closely follow the movements of the arms, and then descend on the culprits. But Fast and Furious is different because it was “uncontrolled delivery,” whereby the criminals were essentially allowed to drop off the map. Perhaps more importantly, Wide Receiver was conducted with the cooperation of the Mexican government. Fast and Furious was not.
So Obama’s operation is subtly different. But just as concerning is the heavy-handed way that the administration has handled criticism. Obama says that the Oversight Committee has been hijacked by Republicans who would rather talk about politics than creating jobs (because Obama is oh so very good at generating those). But there has been Democratic criticism too, and the Prez’s determined defence of Holder will only encourage conspiracy thinking that the scandal has hidden depths. Executive privilege is usually associated with protecting information that passes through the Oval Office. What did the documents reveal about Obama’s association with the operation?
Again, it’s important to contextualise. Executive privilege has been invoked 24 times since Ronald Reagan, and attempts to over-ride it rarely reach the courts. Moreover, Holder’s request for executive privilege made no reference to White House involvement in Fast and Furious, which seems to have been run exclusively by the ATF. Nevertheless, by refusing to sack Holder or push him to come clean, Obama may have made a very Nixonian mistake.
A lot of conservatives are writing at the moment that not only is Obama turning into Nixon Mark II, but Obama is worse because no one actually got killed during Watergate. The comparison is based on the myth that Nixon ordered the Watergate break in and that’s what he eventually had to resign over. But that’s not true. Nixon’s guilt was in trying to pervert the course of justice by persuading the FBI to drop its investigation of the crime. Mistake number one, then, was to involve the White House in covering up the errors of a separate, autonomous political department. Mistake number two was that when Congress discovered that evidence about the scandal might be recorded on the White House bugging system, Nixon invoked executive privilege to protect the tapes. In both cases, it was the cover up that destroyed Tricky Dick – not the original crime.
And, forty years later almost to the day, here we have Obama making the same mistake. Perhaps it’s an act of chivalry to stand by Holder; perhaps it’s an admission of guilt. Either way, it sinks the Oval Office ever further into the swamp that is Fast and Furious. Make no mistake about: Fast and Furious was perhaps the most shameful domestic law and order operation since the Waco siege. It’s big government at its worst: big, incompetent and capable of ruining lives.
Tags: Barack Obama, eric holder, Fast and Furious, George W Bush, Richard Nixon, Rush Limbaugh, tea party, Waco, Watergate
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i'll take the word of a real attorney-,not some fake internet fool :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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i'll take the word of a real attorney-,not some fake internet fool :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
What did obama know and when did he know it?
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like i said yesterday this goes nowhere, only in your mind does this go anywhere, but hey you live in your little fantasy world 24/7, carry on :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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:D :D :D :D :D :D
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like i said yesterday this goes nowhere, only in your mind does this go anywhere, but hey you live in your little fantasy world 24/7, carry on :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
300 plus dead, 3 dead agents, 1500 missing guns is meaningless to you?
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shit like this has been going on for years,the problem now is that there is a neeegrow pres. that's the problem
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shit like this has been going on for years,the problem now is that there is a neeegrow pres. that's the problem
LOL - cry racism. FAIL
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don't have to cry about nothing this goes nowhere,so start crying :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( and about the racism all we have to do is read your post :o
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don't have to cry about nothing this goes nowhere,so start crying :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( and about the racism all we have to do is read your post :o
Barack Nixon: "I am not a crook"
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City nights, summer breezes makes you feel all right
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See the men paint their faces and cry
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It's not reality, it's just a fantasy
Can't you see what this crazy life is doin' to me? sing along 333386
Life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life?
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I know, I know