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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3SOqfMVS94 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3SOqfMVS94)
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BTW, his eyes don't look lazy in this video. Does he get high before he straps on his thongs?
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Aside from watching that video for charles alternative angles and techniques... Why would anyone buy that video... The guy looks like he's warming up... Baby weights... No intensity ...
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Aside from watching that video for charles alternative angles and techniques... Why would anyone buy that video... The guy looks like he's warming up... Baby weights... No intensity ...
No deads, no squats, no heavy presses, bullshit "targetting muscle" exercises. Guy is lazy as fuck.
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No deads, no squats, no heavy presses, bullshit "targetting muscle" exercises. Guy is lazy as fuck.
training is just the finishing touch ;)
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No deads, no squats, no heavy presses, bullshit "targetting muscle" exercises. Guy is lazy as fuck.
well, at his age I wouldn't be doing heavy lifts. Look at what lifting heavy did to Ronnie's body.
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Super-charismatic guy, will be a top seller!
Personalities like that is exactly what BB needs to go mainstream!
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well, at his age I wouldn't be doing heavy lifts. Look at what lifting heavy did to Ronnie's body.
That's just one guy, though. Hardly enough evidence to go by.
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Super-charismatic guy, will be a top seller!
Personalities like that is exactly what BB needs to go mainstream!
'Super-charismatic' with his droopy eyes you mean. ::)
He isn't very talkative, so how can you judge his 'personality'?
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"The Rise of Flexatron" Hahahahaha.
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He looks extremely uncomfortable standing with Big Will
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He looks extremely uncomfortable standing with Big Will
Yes he looks like he wants do crawl out of his own skin..!
Anyway, Big Ramy will smoke this dude
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Super-charismatic guy, will be a top seller!
Personalities like that is exactly what BB needs to go mainstream!
Bb will never be "mainstream". Hth
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That's just one guy, though. Hardly enough evidence to go by.
Dorian Yates...
But, I think we can go by Ronnie Coleman, as he said, he agreed with Shawn Ray, "what made me, broke me."
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Bb will never be "mainstream". Hth
I agree. The closest it ever got to mainstream was the early-mid 90's. It was on ESPN and the Arnold was on regular tv... not anymore.
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The hell with 'mainstream'
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He looks extremely uncomfortable standing with Big Will
Would you feel comfortable feeling Will Harris' hand on your shoulder from behind?
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meso I was at the mecca watching glass train flex with one-five pound weights
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somebody kill that Rhodent
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well, at his age I wouldn't be doing heavy lifts. Look at what lifting heavy did to Ronnie's body.
Earned him 8 sandows .
And the title of greatest bodybuilder ever
Lots if guys went heavy and didn't get injured to ronnies extent
I could never watch a DVD like this girl weights
Yes I know it's not powerlifting but still..
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training is just the finishing touch ;)
You would know. Old juicy.
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meso I was at the mecca watching glass train flex with one-five pound weights
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All that muscle for what
So lets see
Not the biggest ... Zero personality or charisma on camera... Zero intensity ... Lazy boring looking workout
Physique looks boring as well... Saw him in person and he's big but not huge
Boring
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Earned him 8 sandows .
And the title of greatest bodybuilder ever
Lots if guys went heavy and didn't get injured to ronnies extent
I could never watch a DVD like this girl weights
Yes I know it's not powerlifting but still..
To an extent I agree with you, but now...he's broke down. To me 8 sandows aren't worth having a broke down body while still in your 40s. And it looks like it will be worse in his 50s. And then he ruined his image by coming out like a melted pudding pop at guest posings.
Also, one thing I saw just by that tiny clip, Rhoden performs his calf raises better than Ronnie did. Ronnie did that herky-jerky bouncing thing.
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To an extent I agree with you, but now...he's broke down. To me 8 sandows aren't worth having a broke down body while still in your 40s. And it looks like it will be worse in his 50s. And then he ruined his image by coming out like a melted pudding pop at guest posings.
Also, one thing I saw just by that tiny clip, Rhoden performs his calf raises better than Ronnie did. Ronnie did that herky-jerky bouncing thing.
We are all gonna be pudding pop one day
Ronnie had a herniated disk apparently nerve damage too I know a guy with the same thing who never lifted heavy, also consider this Romanies never actually trained super heavy for the most part he was getting 12 reps if you can bang 12 reps then you are not going injury threatening heavy, Brian Dobson described how Robbin got the injury and it was an accident
So everybody keeps saying heavy weights finished ronnie not completley the story
Watching guys like flexatron and that sissy bitchass Heath train makes me sick
Coleman Yates Cormier levrone and Shawn .. Inspiring
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Calf raises man :-[
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We are all gonna be pudding pop one day
Ronnie had a herniated disk apparently nerve damage too I know a guy with the same thing who never lifted heavy, also consider this Romanies never actually trained super heavy for the most part he was getting 12 reps if you can bang 12 reps then you are not going injury threatening heavy, Brian Dobson described how Robbin got the injury and it was an accident
So everybody keeps saying heavy weights finished ronnie not completley the story
Watching guys like flexatron and that sissy bitchass Heath train makes me sick
Coleman Yates Cormier levrone and Shawn .. Inspiring
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Calf raises man :-[
Pudding Pop. I think Ronnie was a late bloomer, and had hopped on what he was on while winning the Sandow earlier, I think that he would have started to win, and might not have had all the injuries. But who knows.
I let a friend of mine borrow the first Phil Heath DVD, and he and wife said it was boring. Even though he hurt himself doing leg curls.
But, yeah rhoden's vid seems like it is that "boring" vein, like Phil's. and what is funny, is that Phil in his first vid said that he looks at Ronnie's vids to get himself pumped up.
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Why would anyone buy a training DVD?
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Pudding Pop. I think Ronnie was a late bloomer, and had hopped on what he was on while winning the Sandow earlier, I think that he would have started to win, and might not have had all the injuries. But who knows.
I let a friend of mine borrow the first Phil Heath DVD, and he and wife said it was boring. Even though he hurt himself doing leg curls.
But, yeah rhoden's vid seems like it is that "boring" vein, like Phil's. and what is funny, is that Phil in his first vid said that he looks at Ronnie's vids to get himself pumped up.
As well as being personable etc lifting decent weight is a part of the whole picture
This is why ronniw had the longest line at body fit shows , people queue for hours in the que shouting booooo and lightweight
Lifting heavyweight is a part of bodybuilding no matter how people try to say it isn't
That's why we have what we have now as mr o
And we had a monster in ronnie
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Earned him 8 sandows .
And the title of greatest bodybuilder ever
Lots if guys went heavy and didn't get injured to ronnies extent
I could never watch a DVD like this girl weights
Yes I know it's not powerlifting but still..
Disagree, he could be 9 or 10 time Mr 'O, if he trained smart.
Once he fucked his back with sloppy T-bar rows, it was game over for him.
Remember, his training form was pretty decent up to 2000.
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just shows you how great it is to have DNA plus PED
flex looked like he was going to explode
all while crying while lifting baby weights
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(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/old-school-pictures/22399d1337287042-flex-wheeler-flex_wheeler_1.jpg)
I watched glass train him with baby weights while he was looking like this
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(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/old-school-pictures/22399d1337287042-flex-wheeler-flex_wheeler_1.jpg)
I watched glass train him with baby weights while he was looking like this
Nice delt there, huh?
Apparently, back in 92-93 Glass had to tell Flex to not train heavy. Of course, Flex used to train with Chris Cormier, who is known for heavy training, a you never heard Chris say that Flex couldn't keep up.
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(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/old-school-pictures/22399d1337287042-flex-wheeler-flex_wheeler_1.jpg)(http://corruptsoles.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/ed-lover-come-on-son.jpg)
Ed Lover looking mighty big back in the days
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Aside from watching that video for charles alternative angles and techniques... Why would anyone buy that video... The guy looks like he's warming up... Baby weights... No intensity ...
This not how the pros train bro, I hear this all the time about lazy training yada yada yada
Let me put this to rest right now.
First of all they all take enormous amounts of gh which makes one lathargic, I can not even take 8 iu without falling asleep, so you do the math on 30 IU +
Second you can not train heavy and hard when using abusing slin because the purpose of slin is to to flood all the cells with nutrient while the muscle is gorged with blood, so training heavy and hard means NOTHING.
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This not how the pros train bro, I hear this all the time about lazy training yada yada yada
Let me put this to rest right now.
First of all they all take enormous amounts of gh which makes one lathargic, I can not even take 8 iu without falling asleep, so you do the math on 30 IU +
Second you can not train heavy and hard when using abusing slin because the purpose of slin is to to flood all the cells with nutrient while the muscle is gorged with blood, so training heavy and hard means NOTHING.
How did Yates and Coleman .. Do it ...
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LOL Calling himself Flexatron.....HA HA HA....
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How did Yates and Coleman .. Do it ...
They are the exception and they did not use the slin way of training, even though they used enormous amounts of slin but today is a different protocol then their era.
I agree with you anyway, I would never train like them but I am just saying that guys like Wolf could probably kill it in the gym like Dorian but they do not see the need to as their protocol allows them to gain the most they can from this approach by using baby weight. Blame milos, he had guys with 22 inch arms curling the 35`s and a 25 on each side and it worked for them
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LOL Calling himself Flexatron.....HA HA HA....
In his defence Flex named him this name after turning pro and the mags went with it so he has no choice if he wants to keep his exposure
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They are the exception and they did not use the slin way of training, even though they used enormous amounts of slin but today is a different protocol then their era.
I agree with you anyway, I would never train like them but I am just saying that guys like Wolf could probably kill it in the gym like Dorian but they do not see the need to as their protocol allows them to gain the most they can from this approach by using baby weight. Blame milos, he had guys with 22 inch arms curling the 35`s and a 25 on each side and it worked for them
Seems like a good way to avoid injuries and muscle tears.
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Seems like a good way to avoid injuries and muscle tears.
exactly and you can also kill 30 IU`s without worrying about having that sluggish (smoking weed feeling) also you don`t have to kill a bottle of stimulants every workout, not my style but it makes sense.
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parker, NOT my point. My point is that flex blew up while lifting five pound weights. Synthol. Drugs. Genetics.
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exactly and you can also kill 30 IU`s without worrying about having that sluggish (smoking weed feeling) also you don`t have to kill a bottle of stimulants every workout, not my style but it makes sense.
I say leave the heavy weights for the powerlifters...
But, do you think there is a different look to a muscle when you go this route?
Or will that be determined by genetics?
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parker, NOT my point. My point is that flex blew up while lifting five pound weights. Synthol. Drugs. Genetics.
insulin does this, read above. Insulin does not work like steroids or gh, it tranports while the muscle is pumped so a 5 lb weight is all that is needed to flood the muscle with nutrients from the insulin.,
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I say leave the heavy weights for the powerlifters...
But, do you think there is a different look to a muscle when you go this route?
Or will that be determined by genetics?
No there really is a different look because the insulin does not know what it transports into the muscle cell unlike other hormones that do know and only send amino acids into the cell. Insulin sends everything into the muscle including fatn so the muscle takes on a different look but grows even bigger
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So Insulin caused those delts?
(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/old-school-pictures/22399d1337287042-flex-wheeler-flex_wheeler_1.jpg)
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Why would anyone buy a training DVD?
To learn the secrets of the pros :/
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Thanks OTH
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So Insulin caused those delts?
(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/old-school-pictures/22399d1337287042-flex-wheeler-flex_wheeler_1.jpg)
No that is synthol but other parts of his body that he did not inject with synthol ended up being smoother because of the insulin, such as glutes and hams
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Thanks OTH
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One of the few guys here that knows what he's talking about.
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OTH is a great poster
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Thanks OTH
any time bro, just trying to show people how todays pros do it and how the so called ``gurus`` are actually important in this insulin era
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Awesome info thank you
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One of the few guys here that knows what he's talking about.
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Awesome info thank you
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(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/old-school-pictures/22399d1337287042-flex-wheeler-flex_wheeler_1.jpg)
I watched glass train him with baby weights while he was looking like this
could u imagine using this pic to explain ya know how to get delts like this,,,side laterals heavy but best form 8-10 reps and do bent over rear delt raises till it hurts,,,
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could u imagine using this pic to explain ya know how to get delts like this,,,side laterals heavy but best form 8-10 reps and do bent over rear delt raises till it hurts,,,
Are you saying that's not how he got those awesome "squary" delts.
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Dorian Yates...
But, I think we can go by Ronnie Coleman, as he said, he agreed with Shawn Ray, "what made me, broke me."
I'm not saying what you're saying is inaccurate - I just find it very hard to believe that making judgements based on pro experiences means anything to the regular gymrat. There are tons of powerlifters who just keep lifting for ages. I've seen 70 year old powerlifters at meets. What happened to Ronnie or Dorian doesn't mean shit to me (or probably to you).
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any time bro, just trying to show people how todays pros do it and how the so called ``gurus`` are actually important in this insulin era
How much IU'S do the average pros run I reckon?? 15-20 IU'S?? U said some do 30???? Shit!! 3 vials a day?? :o
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How much IU'S do the average pros run I reckon?? 15-20 IU'S?? U said some do 30???? Shit!! 3 vials a day?? :o
That's prob way exaggerated
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That's prob way exaggerated
NOPE the opposite is true, if it's generic then 30 is normal, of course some do way less and some do more, if it's pharm grade 15-20 is average.
i know of one who does 51 IU in a single day. Swear to GOD
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could u imagine using this pic to explain ya know how to get delts like this,,,side laterals heavy but best form 8-10 reps and do bent over rear delt raises till it hurts,,,
You forgot the site enhancement stuff.
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NOPE the opposite is true, if it's generic then 30 is normal, of course some do way less and some do more, if it's pharm grade 15-20 is average.
i know of one who does 51 IU in a single day. Swear to GOD
I can understand a higher dose, in case it's a generic, but can't someone look great on 6-8 iu pharma or 12-15 iu generics ???
Wasn't Dorian claiming that he was on 8 iu?
That person using 51 iu most be a millionaire ;)
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I can understand a higher dose, in case it's a generic, but can't someone look great on 6-8 iu pharma or 12-15 iu generics ???
Wasn't Dorian claiming that he was on 8 iu?
That person using 51 iu most be a millionaire ;)
There are lots of no name pros doing 6-8 Pharm grade but certainly not the ones winning pro shows, the freaks simply do more, LOL at Yates doing 8 IU, he also said he did 1200mg or around there, you can not even win a regional show on the mg he claimed.
I understand why he says that obviously, but let's get real here. As for 51 IU of generic costing millions, ah no, if you buy in bulk that is 2000 dollars a month, and you can run 7500mg per week of gear for less then 500 dollars a month and slin costs literally nothing, like 100 units is less then 5 bucks.
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There are lots of no name pros doing 6-8 Pharm grade but certainly not the ones winning pro shows, the freaks simply do more, LOL at Yates doing 8 IU, he also said he did 1200mg or around there, you can not even win a regional show on the mg he claimed.
I understand why he says that obviously, but let's get real here. As for 51 IU of generic costing millions, ah no, if you buy in bulk that is 2000 dollars a month, and you can run 7500mg per week of gear for less then 500 dollars a month and slin costs literally nothing, like 100 units is less then 5 bucks.
Let's discuss Dorian's integrity, why would he lie about his cycle? (over here (http://www.allthingsgym.com/dorian-yates-on-his-steroid-use/) in detail) Because he feels responsible?
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Let's discuss Dorian's integrity, why would he lie about his cycle? (over here (http://www.allthingsgym.com/dorian-yates-on-his-steroid-use/) in detail) Because he feels responsible?
Dorian is the GOAT, my all time favorite bodybuilder, granite like a statue and his persona was pure stoic like. He brought class to bodybuilding while everyone else was clowning around acting the fool.
But the truth is truth and he was on everything under the sun in mega amounts that would probably make us faint if we actually knew the truth about it. We can only speculate but some things are common sense and simply put, an army can not win a battle in combat with knives against machine guns.
Men that have a drive to be the best in the entire planet do not hold back.
Does 8000mg of gear do 8 times what 1000mg of gear does? OF COURSE NOT but it does at least double of what 1000 mg does and that is enough for pros that are making money like Yates will do.
NOW, WHY WOULD HE LIE? He has 1 thousands reasons to; this day and age you will be crucified and public opinion would hang him for doing what it would really take to obtain that physique and never mind the decline in his supplement business.
also I can not count how many people I know that do juice, probabaly over 5000 because I hang out at shows and at least half of them would not admit to using juice. I know maybe 20 guys at my gym or even 30 and only 5 or 6 of them admit openly to juicing, so why would someone lie is a very mute point because they do.
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exactly and you can also kill 30 IU`s without worrying about having that sluggish (smoking weed feeling) also you don`t have to kill a bottle of stimulants every workout, not my style but it makes sense.
Stimulants. Like how Phil's eyes are all wide eyed.
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this is exactly what a pro has told me, he swears though he was only on 12-15 ius pharma gh.haha"only"
to me this is all madness anyway
Ya many don't go as high but they would probably place higher if they did. 12-15 is believable if it is Pharm grade but not the very top guys
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Stimulants. Like how Phil's eyes are all wide eyed.
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Not wider than Uncle Wiggs' eyes when Phil takes that 3rd Shadow.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329116.0;attach=369248;image)
(http://i.imgur.com/bD6Te.jpg)
Are phil and flex really brothers?
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I know many in L.A. who use 18-36 i.u. of Sero per day.
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Best thread on here in quite a while...Thanks to OTH....
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Ya many don't go as high but they would probably place higher if they did. 12-15 is believable if it is Pharm grade but not the very top guys
That's crazy! What would u say is "adequate?" Speaking if u had decent to good genetics?
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That's crazy! What would u say is "adequate?" Speaking if u had decent to good genetics?
Well I am 5 foot 9 and most pics I have posted are in contest shape at 205 lb and in the pics I have never done gh ever before this, however I did mega dose, well not mega to the pros but 3000mg per week combined of aas and to be honest i feel that I was pretty much at my limits.
Now of course I want to get on stage at the top of the heavies and feel I can with gh, I only do 4 iu per day for now, of course I will gradually increase it accordingly.
So my point is gh is not needed to have a kick ass physique althouth I do not think it is needed for a good physique, I also think you can not turn pro without it in this day and age, thats my opinion, I know lots of pros and have yet to find one who does not do gh.
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Best thread on here in quite a while...Thanks to OTH....
Thanks bro ;)
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Well I am 5 foot 9 and most pics I have posted are in contest shape at 205 lb and in the pics I have never done gh ever before this, however I did mega dose, well not mega to the pros but 3000mg per week combined of aas and to be honest i feel that I was pretty much at my limits.
Now of course I want to get on stage at the top of the heavies and feel I can with gh, I only do 4 iu per day for now, of course I will gradually increase it accordingly.
So my point is gh is not needed to have a kick ass physique althouth I do not think it is needed for a good physique, I also think you can not turn pro without it in this day and age, thats my opinion, I know lots of pros and have yet to find one who does not do gh.
Gotcha! Always good to hear! Afterall it's a level playing field gotta do what everyone's doing if u want to stay competitive
I hear a lot that from people saying gh is more a fat burner than anything. If taken in low dosages of course, in order for muscle much much higher and takes a bit more time to take into full effect before u start seein results
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Gotcha! Always good to hear! Afterall it's a level playing field gotta do what everyone's doing if u want to stay competitive
I hear a lot that from people saying gh is more a fat burner than anything. If taken in low dosages of course, in order for muscle much much higher and takes a bit more time to take into full effect before u start seein results
IGF is a decent fat burner, GH is a waste if time under 10 ius if you are looking to get big. Also, it's crap as far as using it for longevity purposes at any dose.