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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #675 on: August 10, 2015, 12:37:25 PM »
GOP: Play it Conservative, Not Safe
Posted on August 10, 2015
by Keith Koffler

It’s the common wisdom of Washington’s allegedly “smart” crowd that Republicans need to reach out. They need to broaden their appeal. They need to show how nice, how tolerant they are. They need to work some political correctness into their message, or they’ll never overcome the otherwise unconquerable “math” of the Electoral College.

And the purveyors of the common wisdom think they have come up with something new. But it’s the same thing they say every election cycle.

And they’re wrong every election cycle, because what has carried a candidate to victory in practically every presidential election since 1980 is ideology, or at least, the appearance of an ideology. If Republicans reject conservatism in 2016, they risk needless defeat yet again.

Enthralled by their databases and drinking the Kool-Aid of the rest of the Beltway crowd, the Washington hands don’t understand what really animates American voters.

It is not any specific poll-tested position. It is, rather, the sense that a candidate stands for something, that he or she have a philosophy, a theory of politics and life.

What has carried a candidate to victory in practically every presidential election since 1980 is ideology, or at least, the appearance of an ideology.
Let’s take a look at who has won every election since Ronald Reagan shocked the sensibilities of the smart people in 1980. Reagan’s nomination by the GOP was viewed by then-President Jimmy Carter’s camp as a gift that fell out of heaven. Reagan was too conservative to ever take up residence in the White House and would be sent to the Home for Defeated Ideologues to live out his days with Barry Goldwater.

And yet Reagan trounced Carter and then won 49 states in 1984 without ever apologizing for his conservatism.

Let’s skip George H.W. Bush for a moment and consider Bill Clinton. While often viewed as a “moderate” Democrat, it is increasingly forgotten that Clinton offered his ideas as a philosophy, calling himself a “New Democrat” pursuing a “Third Way” toward prosperity and justice. The idea was that government would continue to provide benefits, but that it could be limited and recipients had to in some way earn it.

He defeated the hapless Bush, extinguishing his “thousand points of light,” or whatever it was he had that passed for an idea, and then in 1996 swatted away the ideologically bereft Capitol Hill dealmaker Bob Dole.

George W. Bush turned the “Third Way” on its head, pledging to limit government but provide some benefits, packaging the idea as “compassionate conservatism.” Never mind that this betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of conservatism, which is the most compassionate of the ideologies, even if it sometimes administers a dose tough medicine in the short run. It sounded like Bush was some serious new type of conservative.

Conservatism is the most compassionate of the ideologies, even if it sometimes administers a dose tough medicine in the short run.
While he took some pains to hide it in 2008, no one every really doubted that “spread the wealth around” Barack Obama was a left-wing ideologue who wanted to go about “fundamentally transforming” America. His campaigns confounded ideologically impure Hillary Clinton and then his successive moderate GOP opponents — John McCain and Mitt Romney — by digging down into the Democratic base and unearthing every last liberal vote.

It’s true, George H.W. Bush won in 1988 possessing no particular set of organized thoughts. But, as the vice president to a stupendously successful president, Bush was really running for Reagan’s third term, and he vanquished someone dryly pledging “competence,” Michael Dukakis.

Having nominated a couple of nice guys who finished last in 2008 and 2012, the cognoscenti are again counseling Republicans to select a person of moderation and supposed broad appeal, someone without the sharp edges of a conservative ideology. For example, another Bush, this one a man named Jeb.

But America is not the country these operatives think it is. With their micro-analyses and trend charts, they are tapping sap from individual trees while missing the larger forest.

Americans, unlike people in most other nations, are not bound by race and ancestry. They are assembled out of many into one by ideas. And it is ideas that Americans look for in their candidates.

Republicans are threatening to focus-group themselves into extinction. A candidate who can articulate a conservative philosophy and then, with some charisma and forcefulness, explain and sell it to voters, will win the nomination and defeat Hillary Clinton and her assortment of poll-tested, carefully selected slogans.

This piece first appeared in LifeZette.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #676 on: August 11, 2015, 03:14:36 PM »
Iowa Poll: Trump Leads; Christie, Paul Least Popular

Image: Iowa Poll: Trump Leads; Christie, Paul Least Popular  (Getty Images)
By Melanie Batley   
Tuesday, 11 Aug 2015

They made headlines after they went head-to-head during the first GOP debate last week, but Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie are the most unpopular candidates with Iowa Republican voters, a new poll has found.

According to a Public Policy Polling survey conducted Aug. 7-9 of 1,186 voters in Iowa, 45 percent of voters have an unfavorable opinion of Paul while 44 percent say they do not like Christie.

At the same time, Christie can take heart that the current poll shows an improvement from April when he stood at negative 50 percent favorability.

Donald Trump is not far behind with a 40 percent unfavorability rating, despite the huge lead he maintains in the polls.

Christie and Paul argued over the powers of the National Security Agency last week, with Christie insisting the bulk data collection program was necessary to fight terrorists.

"I don't trust President Obama with our records. I know you gave him a big hug, and if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead," Paul said.

Christie blasted Paul saying, "Senator, you know, when you're sitting in a subcommittee, just blowing hot air about this, you can say things like that."

The poll also found that former pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson is the most popular of all Republicans, with 69 percent of the GOP saying they have a favorable view of him.

The favorability ratings are not the only story.

In the current poll, Donald Trump maintains his lead at 19 percent. The rest of the candidates trail Trump:

Carson and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker are at 12 percent
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is at 11 percent
Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina is at 10 percent
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is at 9 percent
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio tied at 6 percent

All other nine candidates are at 3 percent or lower, including Paul who fell from 10 percent in April.

"Donald Trump's public fight with Fox News might hurt him in the long run," Dean Debnam, president of Public Policy Polling, said in a statement. "But for the time being he continues to lead the pack."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/chris-christie-rand-paul-trump-iowa/2015/08/11/id/669504/#ixzz3iXzJLW2e

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #677 on: August 11, 2015, 04:46:30 PM »
things are getting rough for rand paul.   he may have to pull out of prez race soon, or risk losing right to run for his own job in KY.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #678 on: August 11, 2015, 04:51:29 PM »
Just seen Trump hold a press conference on the Greta show.

Obama, Clinton and Reagan all had big time charisma but Trump is the best I've ever seen when it comes to handling the media in that type of environment.

His policies still will likely take him down but the way he handles the mic is really something special.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #679 on: August 11, 2015, 04:56:53 PM »
His policies still will likely take him down but the way he handles the mic is really something special.

whenever you see those old west movies, there's always a guy in a cart selling magic elixir... this snake oil salesman with a bottle of whatever, that can cure gout, take away wrinkles, and bring your jimmy back to life, all with one swig.

That's how I picture trump.  People who are actually educated on politics, who actually understand the way legislation works, how the bodies of govt work together... well, they look at trump and realize he is entirely capable of starting a war or having another nation smack us with some SERIOUS penalties.  Trump could put us in a depression by refusing to shake this guys' hand, or telling a reporter that this female leader needs Midol.  NODBOY here believes he can "turn if off", because in 40 years in the public eye, he's never turned it off.

Trump is dangerous as fck. Luckily, only very stupid people buy into the angry nationalist thing he's pushing.  They're a big part of the base, however, and with 16 or 17 other candidates in the mix, trump CAN get 25% of the votes and win a ton of early states, and just buy enough ads to clean up the shit states later. 

I will say this - IF IF IF repubs gave a shit, they'd all pull out tomorrow and leave ONE person in the race - cruz, fiorini, even Jeb.  ANd trump would lose badly cause 60% of the repub base DOES have a brain.  The way it's split now, however, trump can win.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #680 on: August 11, 2015, 05:06:42 PM »
whenever you see those old west movies, there's always a guy in a cart selling magic elixir... this snake oil salesman with a bottle of whatever, that can cure gout, take away wrinkles, and bring your jimmy back to life, all with one swig.

That's how I picture trump.  People who are actually educated on politics, who actually understand the way legislation works, how the bodies of govt work together... well, they look at trump and realize he is entirely capable of starting a war or having another nation smack us with some SERIOUS penalties.  Trump could put us in a depression by refusing to shake this guys' hand, or telling a reporter that this female leader needs Midol.  NODBOY here believes he can "turn if off", because in 40 years in the public eye, he's never turned it off.

Trump is dangerous as fck. Luckily, only very stupid people buy into the angry nationalist thing he's pushing.  They're a big part of the base, however, and with 16 or 17 other candidates in the mix, trump CAN get 25% of the votes and win a ton of early states, and just buy enough ads to clean up the shit states later. 

I will say this - IF IF IF repubs gave a shit, they'd all pull out tomorrow and leave ONE person in the race - cruz, fiorini, even Jeb.  ANd trump would lose badly cause 60% of the repub base DOES have a brain.  The way it's split now, however, trump can win.

Charisma bro.

We've had some really crappy leaders all over the world take the reins of power through that alone.

That shit can take you REALLY far as a political candidate if you have enough of it, policies be damned.

Greta just did a poll post press conference and over 80% of the viewers liked him MORE after hearing him speak.

Trump can sell the hell out of that snake oil, no doubt about it.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #681 on: August 14, 2015, 08:50:56 AM »
Good analysis by Sabato.  His Tier 1 is Jeb, Walker, Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich.  I agree that as of today the nominee will likely come from that group.   

Republicans 2016: What to Do With the Donald?
Handicapping a frontrunner who (almost certainly) cannot win
Larry J. Sabato, Kyle Kondik and Geoffrey Skelley, Sabato's Crystal Ball
August 13th, 2015

Whatever you think of him, Donald Trump is a stick of dynamite thrown into the presidential pond. All the boats have been rocked, and given Trump’s potential for more explosiveness, the political waters show little sign of settling down anytime soon.

Donald Trump is so special that we’ve created a category (and perhaps a word) just for him in our Republican presidential rankings: “The Un-Nominatable Frontrunner.”

Trump’s tier has partial precedents. Remember when then-Rep. Michele Bachmann (MN), businessman Herman Cain, and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich led national and/or early state polls at various times in the 2012 cycle? There was no way that any of the trio was going to end up as the Republican nominee for president. You could say the same about former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the early stages of the 2008 election.

Friends, this is also true today for The Donald. Or perhaps we should say: If Trump is nominated, then everything we think we know about presidential nominations is wrong.

History has shown that presidential nominations tend to follow a certain set of “rules.”

First, the nominee has to have widespread backing from party elites — those in public office (many of whom will have to run on the same election ticket), the people in party leadership positions, large donors, and the heads of factional, well-funded organizations outside the party structure but still under the broader partisan umbrella.

No question Trump has plenty of his own money — if he chooses to spend it — so he may not need sizable donors. But in every other respect, Trump comes up short or altogether empty with party elites. Not only does the Washington, DC crowd want nothing to do with him, but some segments of the party that typically fight the Republican establishment are staying far away. For instance, the Club for Growth, which often supports primary challengers to sitting GOP members of Congress, dislikes Trump. RedState’s Erick Erickson, also a frequent opponent of party leadership, disinvited Trump to an event he held in Atlanta last weekend.

Second, a likely nominee needs a layered, professional organization that has been carefully constructed at the national level and in each of the early critical states. Trump has some of this, but all reports suggest he is throwing together most of his organization, only now hiring seasoned second and third-level aides that are essential to victory.

Trump’s campaign has had a seat-of-the-pants feel to it, with the candidate relying on his easy access to TV anchors and reporters who are always eager to air Trump’s latest stream of consciousness. But Iowa and New Hampshire, in particular, are not won by sound bites and celebrity coverage.

Third, a party winner is a disciplined politician who knows the language of politics and the dangerous curves that exist all along the campaign trail. As the first debate proved beyond doubt, Trump has little knowledge of any of this, and contempt for what he calls “politically correct” conventions. Short cuts in politics catch up with a candidate sooner or later. Moreover, as experienced pols know, you don’t win the votes of those you insult.

Finally, veterans of politics understand that many voters become more cautious and thoughtful as the real Election Day — primary or general — approaches. One’s vote for president is special, with enormous consequences; after all, this is the most powerful office in the world, still possessing the ability to end civilization as we know it.

Answering a polling question early in the campaign is far different than casting a ballot. Is Trump the kind of person to whom most Republicans (or Americans generally) would entrust the Oval Office? Would voters want to welcome Trump into their homes on television every evening for four years, not as an entertainment show host whose antics can be amusing, but as president of the United States, whose words can move markets and start wars?

Trump is an early season fling for many people, fun while it lasts but doomed to breakup somewhere along the path to the nomination. There have already been some signs this week that his polling may — may — have peaked. Moreover, we need to constantly remind ourselves that few people are paying very close attention to the race right now.

That’s not to say Trump won’t have consequences for the GOP. For example, somehow the party is going to have to reconcile Trump’s supporters with a more establishment nominee. Some candidates will be able to foster unity more easily than others — and this assumes Trump does not run as an independent in fall 2016.

The Summer of Trump is unlikely to turn into a Year of Trump, much less four years of President Trump. Current frontrunner? No question. The Republican nominee for president? Doubtful in the extreme.

Table 1 shows our revamped and streamlined rankings of the 17 Republican presidential contenders. Analysis of the five candidates we believe have at least some chance of winning the nomination, followed by 11 others that we do not think have much of a chance but might influence the race, is below the table.

. . . .



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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #682 on: August 14, 2015, 09:14:10 AM »
Good analysis by Sabato.  His Tier 1 is Jeb, Walker, Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich.

MSNBC is in love with Kasich.  every day is literally, 'wow, that kasich is so sensible and moderate and a real solution to what the country needs...'

the left loved trump when he was calling other republicans names.  now that he's a legit threat, they're scared of him.  they want kasich... and if you hear him talk, you'll see why.  Super cautious and careful with every sentence, very good at political-speak.   congress and a gov, he's everything the left loves about republicans.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #683 on: August 14, 2015, 09:15:14 AM »
MSNBC is in love with Kasich.  every day is literally, 'wow, that kasich is so sensible and moderate and a real solution to what the country needs...'

the left loved trump when he was calling other republicans names.  now that he's a legit threat, they're scared of him.  they want kasich... and if you hear him talk, you'll see why.  Super cautious and careful with every sentence, very good at political-speak.   congress and a gov, he's everything the left loves about republicans.

I doubt any of this true. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #684 on: August 14, 2015, 09:17:37 AM »
I doubt any of this true. 

i doubt you watch msnbc. 

They love him, i mean morning joe gives his name a verbal back rub daily.  Their coverage is so flattering, it's disgusting. 

John Kasich: The surprising standout of the GOP debate
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/kasich-the-surprising-standout-the-gop-debate

Look at the flattering coverage - they truly love him:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=john+kasich+msnbc

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #685 on: August 21, 2015, 04:06:26 PM »
i doubt you watch msnbc. 

They love him, i mean morning joe gives his name a verbal back rub daily.  Their coverage is so flattering, it's disgusting. 

John Kasich: The surprising standout of the GOP debate
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/kasich-the-surprising-standout-the-gop-debate

Look at the flattering coverage - they truly love him:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=john+kasich+msnbc

I doubt you tell the truth.  In fact, I know you don't. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #686 on: August 21, 2015, 04:07:37 PM »
Why This Unexpected GOP Candidate Is Breaking Away From the Pack
Aug 19, 2015
By RYAN STRUYK and KATHERINE FAULDERS

Second place in Iowa. Top three nationally. No, it’s not Jeb Bush or Scott Walker -- it’s Ben Carson.

The neurosurgeon, who has never held elected office, is emerging from the middle tier as a top contender after the first Republican debate.

Carson, the only black candidate in the 2016 presidential field, is polling at 12 percent in a national Fox News poll out Sunday and 14 percent in a CNN Iowa poll out last week -- good enough for second place in the GOP field behind only Donald Trump. Carson is in third place in a national CNN poll out Tuesday.

So, what’s behind Carson’s rise to the top tier?

The candidate is not the most eloquent in the Republican field, nor does he have the most experience or money. But in a campaign that has so far revolved around Donald Trump, Ben Carson brings to the table much of what Trump is – a Washington outsider, not a politician, authentic and genuine -- without the bombast and spectacle.

Instead, he embodies a compelling personal story -- from troubled youngster with a horrible temper to prominent neurosurgeon who became the youngest physician to ever head a major division at Johns Hopkins and the first to successfully separate Siamese twins joined at the head. And while the candidate isn’t the most charismatic on the stump, he often hits a rhythm while engaging with voters’ questions.

Carson is currently campaigning in Arizona, where he drew one of the largest crowds of the election cycle last night at the Phoenix Convention Center -- estimated at 12,000 people, according to his campaign. ABC News has not independently verified these numbers.

His campaign says his recent success is a product of the way he is aggressively reaching out to all Americans with his authenticity and speaking style.

“I think that people are just really attracted to him because he’s authentic. He plants his feet and he tells the truth,” Press Secretary Deana Bass told ABC News. “It doesn’t matter if he’s on the Southside of Chicago, in the middle of Iowa with farmers. It doesn’t matter where he is: he tells the same truth everywhere.”

Correction -- it's actually over 1,000 engaged residents and supporters in Durango! #BC2DC16 pic.twitter.com/wSAUqkGUam

— Dr. Ben Carson (@RealBenCarson) August 18, 2015
So what makes Ben Carson more forthcoming and plain-spoken than the rest of the pack? He never prepares remarks. But will this change with his increased popularity and with more people watching? His campaign says no.

“I can’t imagine that would be the case. Will there be a time when he actually has prepared remarks? It’s possible. When he has a speech written out in advance? It is possible,” Bass said. “But it certainly won’t change the things that he wants to talk about, his mannerisms or his delivery style.”

And the polls show it’s working: GOP voters picked Carson as the most likable candidate in a new Fox News poll out Sunday. The neurosurgeon led the pack with 19 percent of GOP voters, with Trump close behind. When asked who was the least likable candidate, a plurality of GOP voters chose Trump. How many picked Carson? Less than one percent.

During the first GOP debate, one of Ben Carson’s main jobs was introducing himself to people who were unfamiliar with him. However, after his first question he went 38 minutes with no air time. He later redeemed himself in the final moments of the debate, talking about unity despite racial tensions.

Dr. Ben Carson on race: "The skin doesn't make them who they are...it's time for us to move beyond that." #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/opCXllIrOy

— ABC News (@ABC) August 7, 2015
This tweet from ABC News -- featuring a quote from Carson’s closing statement -- was the most retweeted media tweet of the first GOP debate, according to Twitter.

“When I take someone to the operating room, I’m operating on the thing that makes them who they are,” he said. “The skin doesn’t make them who they are.” He continued: Those that want to divide us, we shouldn’t let them do it.”

And his closing remarks were not prepared. “Some people think that his closing remarks [debate] were prepared. That wasn’t the case. He was waiting for his turn. The Lord kinda told him what to say. It wasn’t at all prepared,” Bass told ABC News. “His performance in the debate certainly introduced him to a larger audience. People were impressed, it was refreshing. It was really a breath of fresh air.”

Despite the minimal airtime, Carson was the second-most talked about candidate on Facebook and Twitter and was the second-most searched candidate on Google -- all behind Donald Trump -- the night of the debate.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #687 on: August 21, 2015, 04:07:48 PM »
I doubt you tell the truth.  In fact, I know you don't.  

I posted links.   And anyone here who has seen MSNBC in the last 4 weeks will tell you, they practice swoon when they say Kasich's name.  They love the dude.  

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #688 on: August 24, 2015, 04:21:22 PM »
I posted links.   And anyone here who has seen MSNBC in the last 4 weeks will tell you, they practice swoon when they say Kasich's name.  They love the dude.  

How many times have you "posted links" that didn't support whatever point you were tying to make? 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #689 on: August 24, 2015, 04:22:18 PM »
What's Fueling the Ben Carson Buzz
By Rebecca Berg - August 21, 2015


DES MOINES, Iowa — Before Ben Carson spoke, the crowd gathered around the Iowa State Fair soapbox on Sunday took stock of the man.

 An undecided couple asked a campaign volunteer why Carson is different. “He’s a true, honest man,” the volunteer gushed. “A man of integrity. Not a politician.”

 “He’s a tame version of Donald Trump,” another Carson supporter a few feet away remarked separately. “I like that.”

In another corner of the crowd, an elderly woman fainted in the simmering heat. People gathered around her began to call for a medic.

“Call Dr. Carson!” one spectator exclaimed, only half joking, as the woman was tended to by medical personnel not running for president.

Donald Trump’s meteoric rise in the GOP primary has obscured that of another first-time candidate and political outsider: Carson, a retired pediatric neurosurgeon, who is polling in the top three of Republicans nationally, according to the RealClearPolitics average. In South Carolina, Carson also ranks third; in Iowa, he is second only to Trump.

Inside the Beltway, Carson is scarcely discussed. In the states that will help choose the Republican nominee, his name is on thousands of lips.

Following the first Republican debate, it was Carson’s performance that data suggests stood out to many voters. That weekend, he was not among the candidates who filtered through the conservative RedState Gathering in Atlanta, hosted by the influential conservative blogger Erick Erickson; Carson had not received an invitation. Instead, Carson headlined a rally in Des Moines that drew at least 1,000 people, according to an Iowa Republican report. Over the course of three events in Iowa that weekend, Carson’s campaign signed up 5,000 volunteers, by its count. This week, a crowd for Carson in Phoenix numbered roughly 12,000.

It is easy to explain Carson’s momentum in the same breath as Trump’s, as being fueled by enthusiasm for political outsiders. But Carson’s allies don’t think that tells the whole story.

“I don’t think there is anything that’s touched the Ben Carson mold. He’s so uniquely different than anyone who has run as an outsider, a non-politician,” said Ryan Rhodes, Carson’s Iowa state director. “I don’t think you can compare anyone, including the outsiders that are in the race now.”

Indeed, Carson has a story unlike anyone else running for president: raised poor and a mediocre student, he rose to become a world-renowned neurosurgeon, the first to successfully separate conjoined twins. President George W. Bush awarded Carson the Medal of Freedom for his work.

That story has captivated many of Carson’s supporters. It is also at the center of his campaign, whereas policy prescriptions that typically drive presidential campaigns are secondary.

"I'm the only one to separate Siamese twins," Carson said during the Republican debate. "The only one to operate on babies while they were still in the mother's womb, and the only one to take out half of a brain. Though, you'd think that if you've gone to Washington, someone had beaten me to it.” The crowd roared with laughter; the moment was among the most talked about on social media.

On the road, The Ben Carson Show is much the same, centered on his achievements in medicine and his inspirational personal success story. The guiding principle of Carson’s bid for president is the idea that an intelligent person without experience in government is qualified by virtue of his other successes to hold the office of presidency.

“Together, using our brain, we can save our nation,” Carson said from the soapbox in Iowa.

But even as that unconventional theme has earned Carson admiration from his supporters, it has also made him the butt of jokes.

“Ben Carson Wows Iowa State Fair Attendees With Massive 300-Pound Brain,” read a headline this week at the satirical news site, The Onion.

Like Trump, Carson is running a nontraditional campaign — which has its perks, but also comes with its share of distinct challenges. Carson does not boast the muscular fundraising apparatus of more traditional candidates like Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz, nor is his campaign staff as large. And he might confront the challenge of attracting new supporters into his fold who are skeptical of his credentials or unfamiliar with his work.

“He has a grassroots enthusiasm that propels him to a low-double-digit floor, but that’s also been his ceiling,” said Tim Albrecht, an Iowa Republican strategist. “Carson will have to prove he can grow his appeal into a larger voting bloc.”

But, in a recent blog post, Albrecht also noted that Iowa has historically been fertile ground for “outsider” Republican candidates. During the 1996 Iowa caucuses, Sen. Bob Dole came out on top — but just barely. Just three points behind him was Pat Buchanan, who went on to win the New Hampshire primary, with the businessman Steve Forbes in third place. In 2000, Forbes went on to place second in the caucuses behind George W. Bush.

With a little more than five months until the Iowa caucuses, Carson appears to be well positioned to conform to that model — and, if not win the caucuses, to impact the outcome.

“Our supporters are evangelists for us,” said Rhodes. “They’re the ones who go out and say, ‘You’ve got to see this guy.’”

Meanwhile, Carson himself still seems in transition from long-shot outsider to serious Iowa contender. As he walked through the fairgrounds Sunday following his speech, he would not discuss with RealClearPolitics who is advising him on policy matters, saying, “That will come later.”

Nor does he feel any particular pressure, as a first-time candidate, to prove his muscle in the policy arena: “As our numbers rise in the polls, that will come. People will start to ask about it.”

Carson thinks that what he and Trump have in common is not so much their outsider status, but their “records of success.” And, in Carson’s estimation, they are telling people the truth.

“I think people want truth," he said.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/21/whats_fueling_the_ben_carson_buzz.html

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #690 on: August 24, 2015, 05:49:26 PM »
How many times have you "posted links" that didn't support whatever point you were tying to make? 

come on champ, let's stick with discussing the issues.   Continuous attacks against Cruz supporters such as myself are just not cool.  I don't want to assume, but a lot of those new trump bandwagon fans have been bashing me.  Are you one of them?

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #691 on: August 25, 2015, 04:15:58 PM »
Creating a buzz.  Pretty impressive given his lack of name recognition and political experience. 

Ben Carson Quietly Builds Support Among Likely Primary Voters
By  PATRICK O'CONNOR
Aug 25, 2015


Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson speaks during the first Republican presidential debate Aug. 6, 2015, in Cleveland. John Minchillo/Associated Press

Don’t forget Ben Carson.

The retired pediatric neurosurgeon isn’t generating the headlines or drawing the crowds of Donald Trump, but his numbers in some surveys suggest the appetite for his presidential candidacy might be just as great, if not greater.

Consider a recent survey by TargetPoint Consulting, a top Republican polling and data-research firm. Roughly two-thirds of likely Republican primary voters polled said they would consider backing Mr. Carson, the highest level of support for any candidate in the field. Just 16% said they wouldn’t, the lowest such tally. Those results include voters who didn’t know who Mr. Carson is.

By comparison, 54% of GOP primary voters would consider voting for Mr. Trump—a big jump from the 20% who said that in May—but a third said they wouldn’t, twice the level of resistance as for Mr. Carson.

Republicans were about as open to backing Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, former Hewlett-Packard Co. Chief Executive Carly Fiorina and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

That doesn’t mean Mr. Carson will overtake Mr. Trump in the polls—or, for that matter, be the nominee—but it does suggest that Republicans eager to elect someone without political experience rank the doctor high on their list. In other words, it looks like there is plenty of oxygen available for the low-key Mr. Carson to catch fire, should other candidates flame out.

Mr. Carson is in third place in the GOP nominating contest, behind Mr. Trump and Mr. Bush, according to an average of national polls compiled by Real Clear Politics.

The nationwide TargetPoint survey of 742 likely Republican primary voters, conducted Aug. 17-18, offers more evidence that many voters are more receptive to candidates without political experience than those who do have it. The survey was done for TargetPoint’s internal use, not for any candidate or associated organization. The poll’s margin of error is plus or minus 3.6 percentage points.

The results seem to divide the contenders into three categories: those whose numbers are on the rise (Mr. Carson, Ms. Fiorina, Mr. Trump and, to a lesser extent, Ohio Gov. John Kasich); the initial top tier whose numbers are flat or down (Messrs. Bush and Rubio, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz); and everyone else. Mr. Bush’s numbers remain sturdy but unremarkable, while Mr. Walker has lost ground and risks falling out of the top tier.

This poll, like just about every other done since mid-July, testifies to Mr. Trump’s swift rise. He leads the field among voters with the clearest sense of whom they will support, at 18%, ahead of Mr. Carson, at 12%, and more than double the support for Mr. Bush. Messrs. Bush, Rubio and Walker have all lost a lot of ground on that front. But roughly a third of the electorate remains more or less undecided.

The TargetPoint survey suggests one of every three Republicans who would consider voting for Mr. Trump said he was their clear favorite to be the nominee, a much higher conversion rate than anyone else in the field. That’s something of a mixed blessing for the celebrity real-estate magnate: On the one hand, voters open to Mr. Trump have a clear preference for him; on the other, there isn’t as much room for him to grow.

By comparison, more than half of all GOP primary voters would consider backing Messrs. Carson and Rubio—in addition to those voters who already name either as their clear favorite. For Mr. Carson, three of every four Republicans who know who he is would consider nominating him for president.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/25/ben-carson-quietly-builds-support-among-likely-primary-voters/

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #692 on: August 25, 2015, 04:18:37 PM »
carson is good at finding ways to include nazis in every president obama reference he makes.


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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #693 on: August 26, 2015, 10:57:23 AM »
Pollster Zogby: Trump Just Weeks From Running Out of Gas

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By Bill Hoffmann
Tuesday, 25 Aug 2015

Donald Trump is still riding high in the polls, but his day-in and day-out outrageousness is about to do him in, veteran pollster John Zogby tells Newsmax TV.

"I just don't see how he sustains this over a long period of time. Frankly, I give it another month … mid-September," Zogby, CEO of Zogby Analytics, said Tuesday to J.D. Hayworth on "Newsmax Prime."

"So much of [Trump's campaign] is based on being outrageous. How long can you be outrageous? And be outrageous every single day is what he's being."

Zogby's prediction came as Trump reignited his war with Megyn Kelly by tweeting and retweeting insults about the Fox TV star, who he's been steamed at since the first GOP presidential debate.

Zogby said Trump "feeds off of all of this attention … [which] equals lots of social media, equals lots of major media coverage.

"As soon as he puts together two or three days where there isn't anything outrageous, where the press isn't there, where he just doesn't get this kind of attention, he himself may very well just get bored with that.

"This probably has taken off for him a whole lot bigger and a whole lot faster than he even dreamt."

Appearing with Zogby was Craig Shirley, president of Shirley & Bannister Public Relations, who said of the billionaire developer who remains the GOP frontrunner:

"An old political consultant, Ronald Reagan's campaign manager, John Sears, said politics is motion and the one person in this race who does seem to understand that axiom is Donald Trump.

"He is in motion every day. He's making new news every day, he's saying new things every day, some of them outrageous, some of them substantive.

But he's saying things that most people want to hear or at least are talking about and that indicates to me he does understand what this business is about, what his message is about, and he's not going to stop until he stops himself, quite frankly."

Shirley said Trump's appeal lies more with the "Joe Six Pack, blue collar, lunch bucket crowd" than it does with the "country club elites."

"It's interesting that so many populist leaders over the past, both Democratic and Republican, whether it's Teddy Roosevelt or Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan, came out of the middle class or even the upper classes," he said.

"Some came out of the military elites, but they saw for themselves the corruption of the elites and in fact led populist upheavals in America and we're seeing that today."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/John-Zogby-Craig-Shirley/2015/08/25/id/671875/#ixzz3jweWZfG1

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #694 on: August 26, 2015, 11:14:24 AM »
Pollster Zogby: Trump Just Weeks From Running Out of Gas

Zogby is really good at being a pro-repub-establishment outlier.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/worst-pollster-in-world-strikes-again/

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #695 on: August 26, 2015, 02:40:30 PM »
Pollster Absolutely Astonished By Focus Group Results on Donald Trump: ‘My Legs Are Shaking’
Aug. 25, 2015

Pollster Frank Luntz was left in absolute astonishment Monday night by the results of a focus group who espoused support for Republican presidential contender Donald Trump, despite watching a series of video clips which some might use to undermine his campaign.

Luntz played for the 29-person focus group a series of videos which showed apparent flip-flops, derogatory comments toward women and his brash manner when laying out policy, Time reported. The group was made up of 23 white people, three black people and three Hispanics — mostly college educated and financially comfortable.


Republican presidential hopeful businessman Donald Trump fields questions from Frank Luntz at The Family Leadership Summit at Stephens Auditorium on July 18, 2015 in Ames, Iowa. (Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images)

But, despite this, most were still committed to the real estate tycoon — some even more than when they entered the room.

“You guys understand how significant this is?” Luntz reportedly asked the press, who observed the polling, after the results were in. “This is real. I’m having trouble processing it. Like, my legs are shaking.”

“This is real. I’m having trouble processing it. Like, my legs are shaking.”

“I want to put the Republican leadership behind this mirror and let them see. They need to wake up. They don’t realize how the grassroots have abandoned them,” Luntz continued, according to Time. “Donald Trump is punishment to a Republican elite that wasn’t listening to their grassroots.”

The group reacted strongly to Trump’s promise to put an end to illegal immigration and strengthen the U.S. military.

“We love our country and we love what our country stands for,” one woman told Time. “I look at where we are now as a country where entitlements are just totally out of control. Our borders have completely dissolved. We’re not what we used to be. I want to people to represent my interest.”

Another woman, who voted for Obama twice, said she liked that Trump was “not afraid.”

“He keeps prodding on even if people give him negative press. He doesn’t change and apologize,” she told Time.

The focus group was somewhat significant. After the first Republican presidential debate, hosted by Fox News, Luntz found himself the target of some of Trump’s ire when his focus group suggested the billionaire’s performance had caused him to lose support.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/25/pollster-absolutely-astonished-by-his-focus-group-results-on-donald-trump-my-legs-are-shaking/

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #696 on: August 28, 2015, 01:57:51 PM »
Good perspective.

WSJ: Two Factors That May Help Trump Secure GOP Nomination

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By Courtney Coren
Friday, 28 Aug 2015

If two factors work in Donald Trump's favor, he could secure the Republican nomination for president, The Wall Street Journal is reporting. 

The first factor is the number of voters who now say they are willing to consider voting for Trump, and second, is what will happen to Trump's support as the GOP field narrows.

In May, only 20 percent of Republican primary voters said that they could consider supporting Trump, according to survey by TargetPoint. That number in August is now 54 percent.

By comparison, the number of GOP voters who say they can't see themselves supporting the billionaire real estate mogul has dropped from 51 percent in May to 33 percent in August.

The Journal notes that the numbers are similar to those of other candidates, such as former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Sen. Marco Rubio, showing that voters see them as a possible option to their favorite candidate.

In the latest poll from Quinnipiac University, Trump was leading the field with 28 percent of the vote, but that means that almost seven-in-10 Republican voters support other candidates.

The other major question is whether voters will move into Trump's camp as other GOP candidates drop out of the race.

According to the Journal, the type of voters who support Trump also support retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

However, Carson and Cruz are currently polling well and aren't likely to drop out of the race anytime soon. This fact may help candidates other than Trump, the Journal notes.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/donald-trump-secure-republican-nomination/2015/08/28/id/672473/#ixzz3k94pIeRB

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« Reply #697 on: August 28, 2015, 11:58:16 PM »
Good perspective.

WSJ: Two Factors That May Help Trump Secure GOP Nomination
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soooo you think he's more than a sideshow now?  you think he can win nomination?

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #698 on: August 31, 2015, 02:36:51 PM »
soooo you think he's more than a sideshow now?  you think he can win nomination?

Only a troll would take that away from my post. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #699 on: August 31, 2015, 02:38:26 PM »
IOWA: CARSON, TRUMP TIE FOR LEAD
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Monday, August 31, 2015

Most voters can see themselves supporting several candidates

West Long Branch, NJ – The Monmouth University Poll of likely Iowa Republican caucusgoers finds Ben Carson and Donald Trump tied for the top spot. This marks the first time since July 26 that a poll in any of the first four nominating states has not shown Trump with a nominal lead. Not surprisingly, given the top two contenders in the poll, most Iowa Republicans prefer someone without a traditional political pedigree. At this early stage, though, the vast majority of voters say their eventual support could go to one of several other candidates in spite of their current preference.

When Iowa Republicans are asked who they would support in their local caucus, Ben Carson (23%) and Donald Trump (23%) tie for the top spot. The next tier of candidates includes Carly Fiorina (10%) and Ted Cruz (9%), followed by Scott Walker (7%), Jeb Bush (5%), John Kasich (4%), Marco Rubio (4%), and Rand Paul (3%). The last two Iowa caucus victors, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, each garner 2% of the vote. None of the other six candidates included in the poll register more than 1% support.

“These results mark a significant shake-up in the leaderboard from Monmouth’s Iowa poll taken before the first debate,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ. “Carson and, to a lesser extent, Fiorina have surged, while Walker has faded into the background.”

In mid-July, Walker was the front runner in Iowa, with Trump and Carson following behind. Since then, Walker’s support has dropped by 15 points, while Carson’s has increased by 15 points and Trump’s by 10 points. Support has also increased for Fiorina by 7 points since Monmouth’s last Iowa poll.
Only 12% of likely Republican caucusgoers say they are completely decided on which candidate they will support in February. Another 42% have a strong preference now but are willing to consider other candidates, 27% percent have a slight preference, and 20% say they are really undecided even if they are able to name a choice now. Just 1-in-4 voters (25%) say they have their choice narrowed down to one or two candidates, while most (54%) say they can see themselves caucusing for any of 3 to 4 candidates currently in the race. Another 17% say they are realistically considering giving their support to 5 or more candidates in field.

Among voters who say their current decision is strongly locked in, Trump leads with 30%, compared to 22% for Carson. Among those who say they only have a slight preference or are up in the air, 25% support Carson and 16% back Trump.

“Trump’s support is currently more solid than Carson’s, but Iowa voters are still considering quite a few candidates before they come to a final decision,” said Murray.

Iowa GOP caucus goers say that, regardless of who they support in the primary, the country needs a president from outside of government who can bring a new approach to Washington (66%) rather than someone with government experience who knows how to get things done (23%). Among those who prefer an outsider, more than two-thirds are backing one of the three candidates who have never held elected office – Trump (32%), Carson (26%), or Fiorina (13%). However, even among those who say the country needs someone with government experience, 30% are currently supporting one of these three candidates.
Looking at the fundamental strengths of leading candidates, Iowa Republicans now hold an almost universally positive opinion of Ben Carson at 81% favorable to just 6% unfavorable, compared to 63% favorable and 11% unfavorable in July. Carly Fiorina has also seen her numbers improve to 67% favorable and 8% unfavorable, up from 44% and 10% in July. John Kasich’s name recognition has also gone up but the gap between his positive and negative ratings remains similar at 32% favorable and 23% unfavorable, compared to 24% and 17% in the prior poll.

Donald Trump’s rating has ticked up slightly – now standing at 52% favorable and 33% unfavorable, compared to 47% and 35% in July – while the ratings for Scott Walker and Jeb Bush have taken a dip over the past month. Walker’s rating is now 64% favorable and 16% unfavorable, compared to 73% and 9% last month. Bush’s rating is now 32% favorable and 51% unfavorable, compared to 40% and 42% last month. Ted Cruz’s rating of 58% favorable and 21% unfavorable is similar to the 53% and 17% rating he held last month.

The poll also identified candidate support among key groups of GOP caucus goers, including:

 Tea Party –Trump leads Carson 27% to 22% among Tea Party supporters, with Cruz at 16%. Among non-supporters of the Tea Party, Carson takes a 25% to 19% lead over Trump.
 Ideology – Very conservative voters split their vote among Carson (24%), Trump (23%), and Cruz (16%). Somewhat conservative voters are most likely to back either Carson (25%) or Trump (23%). Moderate to liberal voters prefer Trump (26%), followed by Fiorina (18%) and Carson (17%).
 Evangelicals – Evangelical voters favor Carson (29%) followed by Trump (23%). Non- evangelical voters prefer Trump (24%), Carson (18%), and Fiorina (13%).
 Gender – Men prefer Trump (27%) over Carson (17%), while women prefer Carson (30%) over Trump (19%).

“After more than a month of Trump winning virtually every Republican demographic group, we’ve finally got a little variation in voting blocs to talk about,” said Murray.

Hawkeye State Republicans are divided on whether their final decision about who to support in the Republican primary will come down to the candidate’s positions on the issues (45%) or their personal qualities and experiences (45%).

The Monmouth University Poll was conducted by telephone from August 27 to 30, 2015 with 405 Iowa voters likely to attend the Republican presidential caucuses in February 2016. This sample has a margin of error of +4.9 percent. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ.

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http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/85775b52-ec99-4ad3-bbee-14826bdf86e5.pdf