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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #700 on: August 31, 2015, 04:44:12 PM »
Only a troll would take that away from my post. 

only a clever guy like you could sidestep in this manner.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #701 on: August 31, 2015, 05:47:22 PM »
IOWA: CARSON, TRUMP TIE FOR LEAD
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Monday, August 31, 2015

Most voters can see themselves supporting several candidates

West Long Branch, NJ – The Monmouth University Poll of likely Iowa Republican caucusgoers finds Ben Carson and Donald Trump tied for the top spot. This marks the first time since July 26 that a poll in any of the first four nominating states has not shown Trump with a nominal lead. Not surprisingly, given the top two contenders in the poll, most Iowa Republicans prefer someone without a traditional political pedigree. At this early stage, though, the vast majority of voters say their eventual support could go to one of several other candidates in spite of their current preference.

When Iowa Republicans are asked who they would support in their local caucus, Ben Carson (23%) and Donald Trump (23%) tie for the top spot. The next tier of candidates includes Carly Fiorina (10%) and Ted Cruz (9%), followed by Scott Walker (7%), Jeb Bush (5%), John Kasich (4%), Marco Rubio (4%), and Rand Paul (3%). The last two Iowa caucus victors, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, each garner 2% of the vote. None of the other six candidates included in the poll register more than 1% support.

“These results mark a significant shake-up in the leaderboard from Monmouth’s Iowa poll taken before the first debate,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ. “Carson and, to a lesser extent, Fiorina have surged, while Walker has faded into the background.”

In mid-July, Walker was the front runner in Iowa, with Trump and Carson following behind. Since then, Walker’s support has dropped by 15 points, while Carson’s has increased by 15 points and Trump’s by 10 points. Support has also increased for Fiorina by 7 points since Monmouth’s last Iowa poll.
Only 12% of likely Republican caucusgoers say they are completely decided on which candidate they will support in February. Another 42% have a strong preference now but are willing to consider other candidates, 27% percent have a slight preference, and 20% say they are really undecided even if they are able to name a choice now. Just 1-in-4 voters (25%) say they have their choice narrowed down to one or two candidates, while most (54%) say they can see themselves caucusing for any of 3 to 4 candidates currently in the race. Another 17% say they are realistically considering giving their support to 5 or more candidates in field.

Among voters who say their current decision is strongly locked in, Trump leads with 30%, compared to 22% for Carson. Among those who say they only have a slight preference or are up in the air, 25% support Carson and 16% back Trump.

“Trump’s support is currently more solid than Carson’s, but Iowa voters are still considering quite a few candidates before they come to a final decision,” said Murray.

Iowa GOP caucus goers say that, regardless of who they support in the primary, the country needs a president from outside of government who can bring a new approach to Washington (66%) rather than someone with government experience who knows how to get things done (23%). Among those who prefer an outsider, more than two-thirds are backing one of the three candidates who have never held elected office – Trump (32%), Carson (26%), or Fiorina (13%). However, even among those who say the country needs someone with government experience, 30% are currently supporting one of these three candidates.
Looking at the fundamental strengths of leading candidates, Iowa Republicans now hold an almost universally positive opinion of Ben Carson at 81% favorable to just 6% unfavorable, compared to 63% favorable and 11% unfavorable in July. Carly Fiorina has also seen her numbers improve to 67% favorable and 8% unfavorable, up from 44% and 10% in July. John Kasich’s name recognition has also gone up but the gap between his positive and negative ratings remains similar at 32% favorable and 23% unfavorable, compared to 24% and 17% in the prior poll.

Donald Trump’s rating has ticked up slightly – now standing at 52% favorable and 33% unfavorable, compared to 47% and 35% in July – while the ratings for Scott Walker and Jeb Bush have taken a dip over the past month. Walker’s rating is now 64% favorable and 16% unfavorable, compared to 73% and 9% last month. Bush’s rating is now 32% favorable and 51% unfavorable, compared to 40% and 42% last month. Ted Cruz’s rating of 58% favorable and 21% unfavorable is similar to the 53% and 17% rating he held last month.

The poll also identified candidate support among key groups of GOP caucus goers, including:

 Tea Party –Trump leads Carson 27% to 22% among Tea Party supporters, with Cruz at 16%. Among non-supporters of the Tea Party, Carson takes a 25% to 19% lead over Trump.
 Ideology – Very conservative voters split their vote among Carson (24%), Trump (23%), and Cruz (16%). Somewhat conservative voters are most likely to back either Carson (25%) or Trump (23%). Moderate to liberal voters prefer Trump (26%), followed by Fiorina (18%) and Carson (17%).
 Evangelicals – Evangelical voters favor Carson (29%) followed by Trump (23%). Non- evangelical voters prefer Trump (24%), Carson (18%), and Fiorina (13%).
 Gender – Men prefer Trump (27%) over Carson (17%), while women prefer Carson (30%) over Trump (19%).

“After more than a month of Trump winning virtually every Republican demographic group, we’ve finally got a little variation in voting blocs to talk about,” said Murray.

Hawkeye State Republicans are divided on whether their final decision about who to support in the Republican primary will come down to the candidate’s positions on the issues (45%) or their personal qualities and experiences (45%).

The Monmouth University Poll was conducted by telephone from August 27 to 30, 2015 with 405 Iowa voters likely to attend the Republican presidential caucuses in February 2016. This sample has a margin of error of +4.9 percent. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ.

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Wow, talk about an Anti-Establishment Poll...The Top 3 are all private sector outsiders, the 4th Cruz is despised by whole portions of his own party and Jeb Bush sits at a measly 5%!

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #702 on: August 31, 2015, 06:09:52 PM »
Wow, talk about an Anti-Establishment Poll...The Top 3 are all private sector outsiders, the 4th Cruz is despised by whole portions of his own party and Jeb Bush sits at a measly 5%!

Yep.  Small sample, but it is sending a pretty clear message about the unhappiness of rank and file Republican voters. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #703 on: August 31, 2015, 06:25:07 PM »
Yep.  Small sample, but it is sending a pretty clear message about the unhappiness of rank and file Republican voters. 

agreed.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #704 on: September 01, 2015, 10:07:57 AM »
Inside Ben Carson's quiet surge
Teddy Schleifer
By Nia-Malika Henderson and Theodore Schleifer, CNN
Tue September 1, 2015

While the bombastic real estate tycoon dominates much of the GOP field, the retired pediatric neurosurgeon with a calm bedside manner is quietly emerging as a serious presidential contender.

Carson is tied with Trump for first place in a new Monmouth University survey of likely Iowa Republican caucusgoers, with the rest of the field lagging by double digits. The Carson surge comes as Trump has set the terms of debate for the past two months, forcing other candidates to shift their focus and decide whether -- and how -- to fight back against his constant attacks.

Carson, who was awarded the Medal of Freedom for his groundbreaking surgical work, is charting his own unorthodox campaign, running as a mild-mannered culture warrior with an inspirational biography. But the challenge is whether he is the Republican who could topple Trump, and move beyond the cult-of-personality phase of the campaign to create a lasting coalition energized more by substance than style.

"The most important number right now is his net favorability, which is about popularity and personality. Our guy is 71 and Trump is at 26. That is the highest we have seen since (President Barack) Obama," said Armstrong Williams, Carson's business manager. "The key for us to be able to maintain such high ratings through the ideas portion of the primary."

No war of words
Carson's gains are especially notable considering he's one of the few Republican presidential contenders who hasn't engaged in a war of words with Trump. In fact, Trump, who has battled with Republican rivals including Jeb Bush and Rick Perry, has gone out of his way to praise Carson.

"I like Ben Carson very much," Trump said last week in South Carolina. "He's really a fine man. He's a friend of mine. He's doing well also."

Carson hasn't criticized Trump. In an interview on CNN's "State of the Union" in August, Carson insisted he isn't trying to "catch" Trump.

"What I am doing is steadily getting the message out, and connecting with the American people," he said. "And they are responding."

And though Trump's rhetoric has upended the Republican presidential race, Carson is no stranger to controversy. He told CNN earlier this year that some people become gay in prison, indicating homosexuality is a choice -- a comment for which he later apologized. And in August, he said that while he wouldn't use drones to kill undocumented immigrants, he would order strikes on caves used to transport people across the southern U.S. border.

Carson will likely roll out policy ideas in the coming weeks. But the most immediate focus for his campaign is the next debate, hosted by CNN and set for September 16 in Simi Valley, California. While the goal of the first debate was for Carson to simply look like a credible presidential candidate, now that he is firmly in the top tier, he must offer more.

Carson seized on momentum from the first debate, flooding the airwaves in Iowa and New Hampshire for two weeks with radio and television ads with Carson speaking directly to the camera.

"Our children face a very harsh future, unsustainable debt. Future generations will suffer," Carson said in the ad. "Washington is broken. The political class broke it. Please join me."

In Iowa, he has hosted a series of "family festivals" in three cities, featuring pony rides, popcorn and entertainment. Some 6,000 people showed up to the small scale fairs that doubled as political events.

"That was really, really smart because most candidates aren't doing events where the candidate isn't the highlight but a side detail," said Kedron Bardwell, a political science professor at Simpson College. "It burnishes his credentials as unconventional and focuses on value issues and family and he did it in a way that is nonthreatening. It was almost like a circus."

Head start
As far back as June, Carson's allies dropped thousands of copies of "Ben Carson, Rx for America," on doorsteps in central Iowa, giving him a head start in a crowded field.

"We have to keep doing the same thing. Keep delivering the message that Washington is broken and we need new leaders and you can do that in a way where people are working together and not banging everyone's head together," said Ed Brookover, a senior Carson strategist. "That's Dr. Carson's style."

Carson, who rose to prominence in 2013 when he criticized Obama's health care plan as he sat a few feet away during an annual prayer breakfast, polls well among evangelicals, a voting bloc that will be crucial in Iowa and throughout the South.

Like Trump, Carson has never held an elected office, and is riding a wave of deep discontent with the political establishment.

But as a campaigner, Carson is more like the antithesis of Trump.

Carson announced his run in Detroit, a rollout that included a stop at a school named for him where students asked him for advice on how to study. Trump announced at Trump Tower in New York with a fiery speech that slammed illegal immigrants. Trump brags about his billions while Carson talks about delicate surgical procedures and how his mother's emphasis on reading helped him overcome poverty. And days after Trump packed thousands into an Alabama football arena, Carson held a small luncheon and fundraiser in Montgomery.

African-Americans
Aides said that Carson also has another advantage over the rest of the field because of his connection to African-Americans, who have long celebrated his medical achievements. They argue that he could get 13% of the black vote in the general election.

"A lot of his likeability is driven by his story growing up and his story and career as a neurosurgeon and his personality," said Cody Hoefert, co-chairman of the Iowa GOP. "People say he just seems trustworthy and they compare that to Hillary Clinton and the rest of the field. He has developed a real presence here. And people are responding."

Carson got six minutes and 46 seconds of speaking time in the first debate, landing fifth in the GOP pack. But his closing statement, in which he touted his unique resume, won over skeptics who thought he was this cycle's Herman Cain, an African-American GOP candidate whose 2012 campaign rose to the top before quickly flaming out.

In an August blogpost called "The One I got Wrong," RedState.com's editor-in-chief, Erick Erickson, said Carson's debate performance and the engagement of his supporters made him give Carson a second look.

"He was and is a legitimate contender. His closing at the debate was one of the best closings I've seen in a debate. He did not have the depth as some of the others on the issues, but showed he has been spending his time learning," Erickson wrote in a mea culpa over not inviting Carson to his annual summit. "Above all, he was humorous, respectful and showed a real good nature. And I know, based on all the incoming polling, that I was not the only one to take a second look at Ben Carson. It seems a great many people realized Ben Carson is a legitimate candidate for President."

Unique fundraiser
Carson has proven himself to be one of the most unique fundraisers in the 2016 field, and his unconventional way of raising presidential money could give him a financial base that no candidate can rival.

Carson raises money for both his campaign and super PAC in the same way: by spending big to steadily raise just a little more. While most candidates prioritize the bundlers who collect $2,700 checks from their networks or the megadonors who can write seven-digit donations with ease, Carson's fundraising operation is almost entirely focused on low-dollar donors who have powered a surprisingly effective money shop.

But low-dollar fundraising is vastly more expensive than traditional courting of super PAC megadonors, and Carson's groups have already shown signs of financial duress that may bedevil a candidate who can't count on a seven-figure check from a wealthy donor.

Carson's campaign raised $8.5 million in the opening months of his campaign, two-thirds of which came in donations under $200. That gives the neurosurgeon a vast fundraising base of donors who aren't even close to hitting the ceiling on the amount they can give. Aides have set a $65 million goal through the primary season.

"I absolutely think that Carson could win Iowa, it's more likely if the Trump balloon deflates," Bardwell said. "A lot of those people who are primed to hear stuff that is unconventional will move to another candidate that is not a politician and Carson would be the main beneficiary."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/politics/2016-election-ben-carson/index.html

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #705 on: September 02, 2015, 12:28:39 PM »
Ben Carson Surges to No. 2 Spot in Latest Polls

Image: Ben Carson Surges to No. 2 Spot in Latest Polls (Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
By Cathy Burke   
Wednesday, 02 Sep 2015

Ben Carson's surge to No. 2 in the polls, fatter donations and big campaign-trail crowds is being touted by supporters as proof the GOP presidential contender is a serious in-it-to-win-it threat to win the nomination.

"The press has never taken him seriously," former campaign manager and current super PAC fundraising coordinator Terry Giles tells The Hill.

"Even up until three days ago, they'd talk about everyone but him. Now they have no choice but to talk about him."

Though rival GOP contender Donald Trump dominates national polling, with 26.5 percent, Carson is the only other candidate in double digits, with 12 percent, according to the RealClearPolitics average.

But it was the Des Moines Register-Bloomberg survey released last weekend that seemed to seal the deal, showing Carson catching Trump in Iowa, where both notched 23 percent support.

It's been all uphill since Carson's understated but strong performance in the first GOP debate hosted by Fox News – and his increased profile is being felt in his war chest, which added $6 million in August, more than twice what was collected in July, The Hill reports.

"August was a record-breaking month," Mike Murray, president and CEO of the firm handling Carson's small-dollar donations, tells The Hill. "The initial boom came right after the debate in the early part of the month and it has held throughout."

Carson's political team also points to the candidate's improved ground game.

At one stop in Phoenix last month, 12,000 supporters turned out, The Hill notes, and the retired neurosurgeon drew 3,000 people at an event in Arkansas and 2,000 at a stop in rural Colorado.

"In one week, Dr. Carson started in Harlem, then campaigned in New Hampshire, Las Vegas and Reno. From there, he went to the state fair in Des Moines, was off to Jackson Hole for a fundraiser and visited the mine spill in Durango where 2,000 people showed up," Carson campaign strategist Ed Brookover tells The Hill.

"As nice as he is, Dr. Carson is very competitive and believes he can win. Ask anyone he's played pool with."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ben-Carson-polls-surge-number/2015/09/02/id/673197/#ixzz3kbxGMGzG

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #706 on: September 02, 2015, 01:36:32 PM »
trump 26.5%.... carson at 12%.   not exactly something to brag about.

look at the inbred voting base in Iowa, i mean trump is actually too bright for them there. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #707 on: September 07, 2015, 10:36:46 AM »
trump 26.5%.... carson at 12%.   not exactly something to brag about.

look at the inbred voting base in Iowa, i mean trump is actually too bright for them there. 

Why do you even bother?   ::)

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #708 on: September 07, 2015, 10:39:57 AM »
Long, but good read.  Silver knows his stuff. 

Donald Trump’s Six Stages Of Doom
By NATE SILVER
August 5, 2015

The recent polling surge by Donald Trump has launched a thousand stories about Trump’s “unprecedented campaign.” But it’s nothing all that unusual: Similar surges occurred for almost every Republican candidate four years ago, including Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich (twice).

History’s lesson isn’t necessarily that Trump’s candidacy will go bust tomorrow, however. There are plenty of examples of fringe or factional candidates who held on to their support for much longer than the month or two that Cain and Bachmann did. Sometimes, they did well enough in Iowa or New Hampshire, or even won them. Pat Buchanan claimed New Hampshire in 1996, for instance, while Mike Huckabee won Iowa in 2008. Steve Forbes took 30 percent of the Iowa vote in 2000.

The lesson, rather, is that Trump’s campaign will fail by one means or another. Like Cain, Bachmann and Gingrich, Buchanan, Huckabee and Forbes came nowhere close to winning the Republican nomination.

If you want absurd specificity, I recently estimated Trump’s chance of becoming the GOP nominee at 2 percent. How did I get there? By considering the gantlet he’ll face over the next 11 months — Donald Trump’s Six Stages of Doom:

Stage 1: Free-for-all

When it happens: This is the stage we’re in now; it will continue through the next couple of months.
Potential threat to Trump: Increased attention to other GOP candidates.

One of the occupational hazards for those of us who write about politics for a living is a kind of time dilation. If you’re charged with filing several campaign stories a week, then two or three weeks can seem like an eternity.

But most Americans have other things on their minds right now. Paying the bills. Finally taking that vacation. Baseball. They’re not really paying a lot of attention to the campaign. Based on historical patterns of Google search traffic, the level of public interest in the primary campaign right now is less than one-tenth as high as it will be later in the cycle.

This is why it’s absurd to focus on how Trump’s polling is changing from day to day. When Trump made his idiotic comments about John McCain’s military service a few weeks ago, there were a few news outlets like the New York Post who suggested it might bring about his immediate demise. We were skeptical of that conclusion at FiveThirtyEight. For a variety of reasons, Trump isn’t affected much by negative media coverage — it may even help him. But a lack of media coverage might be a different story.

If, like most Americans, you’ve been paying only passing attention to the GOP campaign, then pretty much the only candidate you’ll have been hearing about is Trump. According to data compiled by the Media Research Center, Trump has received more network news coverage than Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and Marco Rubio combined. So if a pollster calls you and rattles off 17 names, and there are six or seven candidates you like well enough, which name might you mention when asked for your first choice? Possibly Trump, since his name will be top-of-mind. There’s a near-perfect correlation, in fact1 between how much news coverage a candidate has received and where they rank in recent national polls:


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The causality here is murky. Do candidates receive more news coverage because they’re polling well? Or do they poll well because they receive more news coverage? Undoubtedly, there’s some of both, which creates the possibility of a feedback loop.

But the circuit could be broken once there’s some news about another candidate. Every Republican on stage will have the opportunity to make news in the debate tonight, for instance. It’s possible we’ll still be talking about the Trump surge in a few weeks, but it’s also possible that we’ll be contemplating the Ben Carson or Ted Cruz or Chris Christie surge instead.

Stage 2: Heightened scrutiny

When it happens: Mid-November or thereabouts, as voters up their level of attention to the campaign
Potential threat to Trump: Polling support doesn’t translate to likely, more-informed voters.

In the general election, Labor Day is the traditional benchmark when there’s a substantial acceleration of public interest in the campaign. I’m not sure there’s quite the same demarcation in the primaries, but, in my experience, the timbre of the race will have changed by Thanksgiving or so. Voters, especially in the early voting states, will be doing less “window shopping” and instead will be thinking about who they might cast a ballot for. The polls will change too, starting to home in on what they deem to be “likely voters.” There’s some evidence that Trump is over-performing among “low-information voters.” By November, their ranks will decrease: They’ll either have become more informed, or they’ll be screened out by pollsters because they aren’t likely to vote.

Stage 3: Iowa and New Hampshire

When it happens: Feb. 1 and Feb. 9, based on the provisional calendar.
Potential threat to Trump: Middling performance in one or both states, either in an absolute sense or relative to polls.

Eventually, we’ll have some real votes to test the polls against. The odds are that the polls will be pretty far off in the first few states; they’re historically not very accurate in primaries and caucuses. One reason for this, perhaps the principal one, is because turnout is hard to predict. Trump has built some semblance of an organization in Iowa (he has less of one in New Hampshire), but it probably won’t be the best in the state at persuading voters to turn out.

Despite the relatively poor track record of polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, however, they have a major influence on how the results are interpreted by the press. Historically, the candidates who get the most favorable media coverage and receive the biggest “bounces” out of Iowa and New Hampshire are not those who perform the best in an absolute sense but instead those who beat the media’s expectations. It’s possible that Trump will master expectations management between now and Iowa, but, given his tendency to trumpet every favorable poll, he could also set himself up for a fall. A Trump who finishes in third place with 14 percent of the vote in Iowa won’t have much to brag about.

Stage 4: Winnowing

When it happens: mid-February through mid-March
Potential threat to Trump: Other candidates drop out, and remaining ones surpass Trump.

But some candidates with parallels to Trump have done perfectly well in Iowa and New Hampshire. In fact, there’s been about one such Republican, on average, in every contested election cycle. Below, I’ve listed past Republican candidates who (i) had less than 5 percent of the party’s endorsement points as of the date of the Iowa caucuses, meaning they had very little support from the party establishment, but (ii) won at least 20 percent of the vote in Iowa anyway. There are six of these candidates, ranging from rabble-rousers like Buchanan to religious-right candidates like Huckabee, to another self-funded billionaire in Forbes.


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The problem is that they didn’t go very far from there, winning an average of just 14 percent of the popular vote across all the remaining primary and caucus states that year. Even a candidate who did a little better than that, retaining 25 or 30 percent of the vote, would soon be bypassed as the rest of the field consolidated down to one or two other establishment-backed alternatives. This is especially likely to be a problem for Trump. Contrary to what you may have read elsewhere, he’s actually not all that popular among Republicans. His favorability ratings among Republicans have improved since before he declared himself a candidate2 but remain in the bottom half of the GOP field and well below the standard of candidates who have been nominated in the past.

We’ll handle the final two stages together:

Stage 5: Delegate accumulation

When it happens: mid-March through final primaries in June
Potential threats to Trump: Poor organization in caucus states, poor understanding of delegate rules, no support from superdelegates.

Stage 6: Endgame

When it happens: June through Republican National Convention, July 18-21
Potential threat to Trump: The Republican Party does everything in its power to deny him the nomination.

If Trump makes it past Stage 4, we’ll have to consider his campaign successful, up to a point. He’ll have gotten further than any similar candidate has in the past. But he’d still be a long way from winning the nomination, and the final two stages might be his hardest yet.

The Republican Party’s delegate selection rules are straightforward in some states but byzantine in others, especially in caucus states where delegates are sometimes not formally pledged to the candidate who apparently earned their support on election night. Furthermore, about 7 percent of delegates to the RNC are party leaders — what Democrats would call “superdelegates” — who are usually not bound by the results of the popular vote in their states at all.

This introduces a little bit of slack into the system. It works in favor of establishment-backed candidates, or those who have an intricate understanding of the delegate rules. And it works against candidates like Trump.

Regular FiveThirtyEight readers will be familiar with “The Party Decides” paradigm of the nomination process. It posits that the nominee represents the consensus choice of influential members of the party, and that rank-and-file voters serve mostly to vet and validate the candidates in the event of a close call.

Much of the party’s influence consists of what you might call “soft power,” the ability to influence outcomes by persuasion rather than coercion. But the party also has some “hard power”: It literally makes the rules. It can rule against candidates it doesn’t like in the event of delegate-counting disputes. It can probably even change the rules midstream. There isn’t a lot of precedent to worry about violating, since it’s been 40 years since Republicans came close to a brokered convention.

If Trump made it this far, the Republican Party would go to extraordinary lengths to avoid nominating him. In “The Party Decides” view, parties are basically looking for two things from their nominees: They want them to be reliable (meaning, they can be counted on to enact the Republican agenda once in office), and they want them to be electable (meaning, they can win in November). It’s hard to think of a candidate who does worse on those two measures than Trump. He’s exceptionally unpopular among independent voters. But he also has a checkered political past that includes once having supported abortion rights and universal health care. For the Republican Party, he’s the worst of all possible worlds.

So, how do I wind up with that 2 percent estimate of Trump’s nomination chances? It’s what you get3 if you assume he has a 50 percent chance of surviving each subsequent stage of the gantlet.4 Tonight’s debate could prove to be the beginning of the end for Trump, or he could remain a factor for months to come. But he’s almost certainly doomed, sooner or later.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #709 on: September 07, 2015, 10:44:53 AM »
Donald Trump signs RNC loyalty pledge
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Thu September 3, 2015

New York (CNN)Donald Trump has signed the pledge.

The Republican presidential front-runner met privately with Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus Thursday afternoon, and soon after, came out to the lobby of Trump Tower to declare that he has signed a loyalty pledge. This means Trump has promised to support the party's eventual nominee -- whoever that may be -- and that he will not run as a third-party candidate.

"The best way for the Republicans to win is if I win the nomination and go directly against whoever they happen to put up. And for that reason, I have signed the pledge," Trump said, holding up the paper. "So I will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican Party and for the conservative principles for which it stands."

He added: "We will go out and fight hard, and we will win."

All 17 Republican presidential candidates have now pledged to support the GOP's eventual presidential nominee, Priebus announced Thursday evening in a statement, billing it as a sign of "party unity."

But if Trump's official declaration of allegiance to the party serves to calm the nerves of establishment Republicans -- at least for now -- it could also invite backlash from some of the bombastic candidate's die-hard supporters.

Trump has propelled himself to the top of the polls by casting himself as an anti-establishment, outsider candidate, railing against career politicians and the Washington political class.

Signing an RNC pledge complicates that image.

Katrina Pierson, a spokeswoman for the Tea Party Leadership Fund and a Trump defender, told CNN she personally does not condone the pledge.

"The GOP has not been loyal to members of its own party during previous election cycles," PIerson said. "I can't see any reason why he would give up that leverage considering a lot of his supporters like the idea that he's running against the establishment."

Thursday's 15-minute sit-down with Priebus comes amid unease about whether the billionaire businessman would rebuff the party and seek the White House as an independent. Soon after Trump announced his candidacy, Priebus asked the real estate magnate to tone down his fiery rhetoric on immigration, as establishment Republicans grew increasingly worried that Trump was angering the Hispanic community.

Trump explained Thursday that he came to the decision to sign the pledge because the Republican Party in recent months has been "extremely fair" to him.

"The RNC has been absolutely terrific over the last two month period and as you know, that's what I've wanted," Trump said. "I don't want to be treated any differently."

Asked what he got in return for signing the paper, Trump responded: "assurance that I will be treated fairly."

RNC officials began circulating a pledge to various GOP presidential campaigns this week, measuring up how much appetite there is in the field to commit to supporting the eventual nominee.

"I, ________, affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for President of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is," it reads.

RELATED: Source says Trump likely to rule out independent bid

The pledge continues: "I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party."

Advisers to the candidate have said all along that Trump was never seriously interested in launching an independent run, which is an arduous -- and costly -- process.

The pledge has not only put pressure on Trump to commit to the party, it's also forcing some of his rivals to promise to support Trump if he were to clinch the GOP nomination.

It's a particularly uncomfortable position for a candidate like Jeb Bush, who in recent weeks has publicly clashed with Trump. The two men have released attack videos on social media, and openly criticized one another on the trail.

On ABC's "Good Morning America" Thursday morning, Bush lashed out at Trump, saying, "I think Donald Trump is trying to insult his way to the presidency and it's not going to work."

However, pressed on whether he would support Trump if he were to become the nominee, the former Florida governor answered in the affirmative.

"Yes, I would, of course. We need to be unified. We need to win," Bush said.

After Trump's press conference, Bush tweeted a tongue-in-cheek version of the pledge that said, "Voted Republican since 1972."

Meanwhile, others are raising questions about just how enforceable a loyalty pledge is.

"You're right, it's unenforceable," said Carly Fiorina on CNN's "New Day." "It is, more than anything else, your word."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/donald-trump-2016-rnc-pledge-meeting/index.html

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #710 on: September 07, 2015, 11:33:58 AM »
I admire you, Dos Equis. 

You know Trump could end up being a national dumpster fire.  And you're looking for any Silver lining showing his democrat ass will get bounced down in polls before the primaries.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #711 on: September 09, 2015, 10:08:35 AM »
Yes.

Can Marco Rubio win?
By Stephen Collinson, CNN
Tue September 8, 2015


Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (CNN)It's the riddle of Marco Rubio.

The Florida Republican might be the most natural politician in the 2016 White House field. Yet for all his potential, he's stuck low in the pack of GOP candidates after a riotous summer hijacked by Donald Trump. His aspirational, optimistic brand of conservatism has struggled for traction in a season of seething political anger.

Still, If GOP strategists had sat down to build a candidate to win back the White House, amid the wreckage of 2012, their prototype would look a lot like the youthful Rubio. With silky political skills, an American Dream story rooted in humble beginnings, hawkish national security reflexes and historic potential as a pioneering Latino, Rubio also offers a generational contrast with Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.

"Marco Rubio is like Roy Hobbs in baseball: The Natural," said Bob Vander Plaats, a top social conservative activist in Iowa, referring to the movie about a young hotshot prospect played by Robert Redford. "He is very skilled at being a politician."

Even Rubio's foes acknowledge his flair.

"When Marco Rubio speaks, young women swoon, old women faint and toilets flush themselves," said Dan Gelber, a former Florida House Democratic minority leader, recalling a warning he gave his troops when his silver-tongued rival was the state's speaker. "This guy is really good. Marco is instinctive. He is also very, very disciplined."

But despite his credentials, which also include a statewide power base in the crucial swing state of Florida, the 44-year-old has yet to establish a strong position in the polls in any early voting contest. He failed to get the jump pundits expected after a strong first debate.

Rubio's struggles
His struggles are a reminder that in presidential politics, timing is as important as talent. In an election season that's giving outsiders the advantage, voters aren't very attracted to polished politicians. In fact, the candidates who are prospering amid a storm of anti-Washington anger are those who are not politicians at all, including Trump, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina.

And it's possible that, after President Barack Obama, GOP voters are not looking to elevate another freshman senator.

Rubio's campaign, however, is not panicking. The senator is working methodically through early states, raising cash at a healthy clip and laying out detailed policy plans, particularly on national security as he vows to rip up Obama's Iran deal and stiffen the U.S. stance toward Russia and China.

"We don't pay much attention to the polls at this stage," said Rubio's communications director Alex Conant. "It's very early in the process ... there are going to be a lot more debates."

He added: "In the long run, Marco is somebody who can unite the party and inspire the nation."

History is on Rubio's side: Summer front-runners rarely prosper once the weather cools and primary voting starts.

But given the scouting reports on Rubio, and buzz that he represents the future of the conservative movement, his polling does seem tepid. He averages seventh place in Iowa and South Carolina polls, came 10th in an NBC/Marist poll published Sunday in New Hampshire, and averages fifth place in national surveys, 20 points behind Trump.

Of course, it's early -- there are five months before the Iowa caucuses, plenty of time for the GOP race to mature, and thoroughbreds to move to the front. But Rubio's low-key start does beg questions about whether he has a viable path to the GOP nomination.

Many Republican veterans feel he will improve over time. And he could benefit from a lack of early scrutiny as rivals like Scott Walker struggle to adapt to a national stage and his mentor, Jeb Bush, risks damage from a clash with Trump.

"Rubio ... has a combination of a factors that can make his fortunes rise if in fact he has the staying power," said Ken Blackwell, a former Republican secretary of state in Ohio. "That means he has to raise the money, he has to develop the organization and capacity in key states, he has to resonate on his message."

In a normal year, Rubio's methodical strategy -- touring battleground states, building a finance and get-out-the vote network, and laying out policy might be shrewd.

Race on steroids
But the 2016 race is on steroids. No one knows how its going to turn out.

"There is just not a lot of oxygen left in the room. Donald Trump sucks the air out of any room he walks into," said Scott Huffmon, a professor of political science at Winthrop University, South Carolina.

Rubio says he's playing the long game, and draws similarities with his 2010 Senate race, in which his tea party-backed campaign fought an establishment candidate and won.

"When I entered that race, the only people who thought I could win all lived in my home. Four of them were under the age of 10," Rubio told crowds in South Carolina and Nevada during recent campaign swings.

Late last month in Columbia, South Carolina, Rubio demonstrated his breadth before an audience of 900 students, getting into detail on poverty reduction, preserving the American dream and threats to U.S. national security.

Rubio held another audience rapt the next morning at a steakhouse in Myrtle Beach, a tea party stronghold. His half-hour stump speech made a case for a candidacy anchored on a conservative approach to a key 2016 theme: the millions of Americans left marooned by the slow-growing economy.

His stump persona suggests a politician in a hurry and a clipped delivery that contrasts with the halting style of Bush, his mentor. It's an emerging paradox about his campaign: While Rubio seems to be struggling to make noise in the GOP race, many Democrats privately say they fear him.

There's no mystery that Clinton was the target of Rubio's initial campaign mantra: "Yesterday's over."

He jumps on chances to engage Clinton. He has said she's desperate for comparing GOP views on women's issues to those of terrorist groups. Rubio has recently stepped up attacks on Clinton over her email controversy, saying it is "disqualifying" for someone seeking the presidency.

But before he can battle the former secretary of state, Rubio must figure out how to confront the insurgent wave powering Trump, Carson and Fiorina.

'First place in February'
"We are trying to build a campaign here," Rubio told CNN's Jeff Zeleny in Puerto Rico last week. "We want to be in first place in February, not in August or September. We have a campaign that is designed to achieve that goal."

While other candidates have tried to match Trump in outrage, Rubio argues that being angry will not solve anything, countering the billionaire's promise to make America great again by arguing the nation is already pretty special.

But he's got an ear to the ground on the economy. He frequently notes concern that millions of people think "the American dream is out of reach," talks about how to cut the cost of college and how free enterprise -- not government power -- is the way to cope with economic volatility. It doesn't hurt that Rubio's father was a bartender and his mother a housekeeper.

It's an approach meant to address perceptions that Republicans simply don't care about those left behind by an economy that seems to favor the wealthy, a narrative that helped tank 2012 nominee Mitt Romney.

While the campaign will not divulge its early-state strategy, it admits Rubio must perform well in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.

"Anyone who wants to win the Republican nomination has to prove themselves in the early states," said Conant.

Rubio may have an opening in South Carolina, where he won support from former senator and tea party champion Jim DeMint, when he ran for the Senate. The state may also be a fit for his fiscal conservatism and robust foreign policy views. His Hispanic heritage meanwhile may be helpful in Nevada, a state where he has wide contacts along with family ties after living there as a teenager. Senior figures in his campaign brain trust also hail from the state.

In Iowa, Rubio could benefit from his backing of insurgent Republican Joni Ernst in her successful midterm Senate race. But a number of Iowa activists expressed private concerns that Rubio had yet to fully commit to the Hawkeye state.

When conservatives are asked about Rubio, they often say they want to find out more. But he doesn't provoke the gushing response reserved for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Carson or Trump.

While Cruz can convincingly argue that he lived up to his promise to sabotage what he calls the Washington "cartel," Rubio still has to explain his ill-fated work on a comprehensive immigration reform package, which is radioactive among the conservative grass-roots.

Some key Republicans also question whether Rubio really knows where his base is.

"I think he is trying to thread an awkward needle," said Vander Plaats. "Rubio might be able to be the establishment candidate. But he would also like to be the tea party, outside candidate."

Ultimately, Rubio needs a moment in the spotlight -- not easy to come by in such a crowded Republican field.

"If Marco gets open water he is going to separate himself from a lot of the crowd, " said Gelber. "But I am not sure when that is going to happen."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/election-2016-republicans-rubio/index.html

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #712 on: September 09, 2015, 12:37:32 PM »
Yes.


you are just in love with Rubio.  He doesn't stand for ANYTHING except capitulation to the RINO cause.  He's mccain all over again.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #713 on: September 09, 2015, 12:43:51 PM »
you are just in love with Rubio.  He doesn't stand for ANYTHING except capitulation to the RINO cause.  He's mccain all over again.

Why do you care?  You are voting for Hillary anyway.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #714 on: September 09, 2015, 12:47:06 PM »
Why do you care?  You are voting for Hillary anyway.

you are lying right now.  I will never vote Hilary, and it's a sin for you to say something that isn't true.

Swear I will vote hilary.  Do it.  Swear it. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #715 on: September 09, 2015, 12:51:00 PM »
haha, I swear Rob is like the Andy Kaufman of this forum.

To this day I STILL can't tell if he is doing a bit or not.  :D

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #716 on: September 09, 2015, 01:00:20 PM »
you are lying right now.  I will never vote Hilary, and it's a sin for you to say something that isn't true.

Swear I will vote hilary.  Do it.  Swear it. 

Silence troll. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #717 on: September 09, 2015, 01:01:06 PM »
haha, I swear Rob is like the Andy Kaufman of this forum.

To this day I STILL can't tell if he is doing a bit or not.  :D

I don't take him seriously at all.  Not even a little bit. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #718 on: September 09, 2015, 01:05:12 PM »
Silence troll. 

you won't swear.  you know it's not good to swear on a lie.

you made a statement, you claimed i'd vote hilary, and I cannot stand hilary and never will.

Swear on it, Dos Equis.  Swear on it.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #719 on: September 09, 2015, 01:06:04 PM »
you won't swear.  you know it's not good to swear on a lie.

you made a statement, you claimed i'd vote hilary, and I cannot stand hilary and never will.

Swear on it, Dos Equis.  Swear on it.

I swear you are the most dishonest person posting on this board. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #720 on: September 10, 2015, 10:34:22 AM »
And this man wants to be president?   ::)

Donald Trump insults Fiorina's appearance in magazine profile
Published September 09, 2015
FoxNews.com

Donald Trump is under fire yet again after insulting the physical appearance of fellow GOP presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine.

"Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president," the Republican frontrunner said in the interview. "I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Trump has been criticized for his insults against women. During last month's Fox News' GOP debate he was asked about calling some women "fat pigs" and "disgusting animals."

Fiorina told Fox News’ Megyn Kelly on “The Kelly File” Wednesday that Trump’s comments “speak for themselves” and are “very serious.”

“Maybe just maybe I’m getting under his skin a little bit because I’m climbing in the polls,” she said.

Asked about his comments on Thursday, Trump told Fox News he probably made them but clarified: "I'm talking about persona, I'm not talking about look."

He also said he was speaking "in a jocular manner, obviously."

Fiorina has been rising in the polls since her strong performance in the Aug. 6 debate for second-tier GOP candidates sponsored by Fox News and Facebook.

The former Hewlett-Packard chief executive has fought to be included in the main event for CNN’s Republican presidential debate to be held Sept. 16th.

The deadline to qualify for the networks national televised, main-stage debate is Sept. 10.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/09/donald-trump-insults-fiorina-appearance-in-magazine-profile/?intcmp=hpbt4

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #721 on: September 10, 2015, 11:11:22 AM »
And this man wants to be president?   ::)

Donald Trump insults Fiorina's appearance in magazine profile

Repubs have an amazingly winnable election.   And they have decided to blow it by nominating an immature, classless man who won't tell us his beliefs.  LET THEM!

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #722 on: September 10, 2015, 02:22:53 PM »
Good.  He sounds like an insecure little kid. 

Trump under fire for Fiorina comments, as Jindal launches broadside
Published September 10, 2015
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Donald Trump is getting slammed from all sides for disparaging comments about Carly Fiorina's appearance, with his GOP rivals once again calling on the Republican presidential front-runner to end the "personal attacks."

At the same time, Republican candidates are stepping up their own attacks. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal used a National Press Club speech Thursday to ridicule Trump's candidacy, warning the party is in danger of nominating a "non-serious, unstable, substance-free candidate."

As the criticism mounts over his bid and his behavior, Trump's standing in the polls is holding steady. One recent national poll shows his support topping 30 percent for the first time.

Yet the Fiorina remarks have put Trump on defense, at least for now.

Trump made the comments about the former HP exec in a Rolling Stone article. "Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president," Trump told the magazine. "I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Asked about his comments on Thursday, Trump told Fox News he probably made them but claimed: "I'm talking about persona, I'm not talking about look."

He also said he was speaking "in a jocular manner, obviously."

His GOP rivals weren't buying it.

Fiorina, who has risen in the polls in recent weeks, suggested in an interview with Fox News' "The Kelly File" Wednesday that Trump was taking notice.

"Maybe, just maybe, I'm getting under his skin a little bit because I'm climbing in the polls," she said, adding his comments "speak for themselves."

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush also tweeted:

Trumps demeaning remarks are small and inappropriate for anyone, much less a presidential candidate.  Carly & country deserve better. Enough
4:52 AM - 10 Sep 2015

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker tweeted:

Trump's personal attacks against @CarlyFiorina are plain inappropriate and wrong. It's time for these shameless attacks to end. - SW
3:22 AM - 10 Sep 2015

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton also took a swipe at Trump during a stop in Ohio, saying he "seems to delight in insulting women" and if he emerges, "I would love to debate him."

Trump has faced criticism before for disparaging remarks about women, and was challenged by Fox News' Megyn Kelly at last month's debate over his rhetoric.

At the National Press Club on Thursday, Jindal said "silly summer season is over" and Trump should be sent "back to reality TV."

"We cannot send this narcissist, we cannot nominate this egomaniac," Jindal said.

The Trump campaign fired back late Thursday, highlighting Jindal's low standing in the polls. "He did not make the debate stage and therefore I have never met him. I only respond to people that register more than 1% in the polls. I never thought he had a chance and I've been proven right," Trump said in a statement.

While Trump is averaging about 30 percent in recent national polls, according to RealClearPolitics, Jindal's support is under 1 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/10/trump-under-fire-for-fiorina-comments-as-jindal-launches-broadside/?intcmp=hpbt2

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #723 on: September 10, 2015, 05:34:28 PM »
Good.  He sounds like an insecure little kid. 

Who, Jindal?    Or the GOP frontrunner?

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #724 on: September 10, 2015, 06:04:59 PM »
Who, Jindal?    Or the GOP frontrunner?

 ::)  You're not even remotely funny.