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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #825 on: November 03, 2015, 09:25:16 AM »
‘Pawn Stars’ host: Backing Rubio has hurt me
By Mark Hensch
October 30, 2015

"Pawn Stars" host Rick Harrison said Friday that he has alienated certain viewers by backing Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) for the presidency in 2016.

“When you endorse a Republican, everyone sort of frowns on you,” the reality television personality said, according to CNN.

“I don’t know why, but hey,” Harrison said. "I suddenly became famous, and I was the one willing to throw my career away to endorse a Republican.”
Harrison added that he as more privately backed Republicans in the past.

He argued Friday he could not stay silent about Rubio’s campaign because of the Florida lawmaker’s background and everyman appeal.

“I was deeply impressed,” Harrison said of his first meeting with Rubio in Las Vegas.

“It was the first time I sat down with a politician that long and it wasn’t, ‘the party, the party, the party,’ ” he said. "All he was talking about was people. Quite frankly, I’ve never had a politician talk like that."

Harrison then contrasted Rubio’s circumstances growing up with those of Donald Trump, the GOP’s presidential front-runner.

“His dad was a bartender at a bowling alley and his mom was a maid at a casino here in town,” he said of Rubio’s past.

“When someone mentions living paycheck to paycheck, he goes, ‘Yeah, I was raised that way,' ” Harrison said. “I think if you have a leader, you need someone who has experienced what people are experiencing.”

Harrison additionally criticized Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton for lacking any true foreign policy accomplishments.

“I can’t really think of anything she did,” he said of the former secretary of State.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258655-pawn-stars-host-backing-rubio-has-hurt-me

He got exactly what he asked for.  Serves him right.  Pick one thing and do that, or don't bitch about it.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #826 on: November 03, 2015, 09:30:04 AM »
Aside from Trump who still a sideshow IMO, several of the candidates are doing pretty well, including Carson, Cruz, Rubio, and Christie.  

But you've said, before, that you're sure his personality causes him to want the job.

How do you explain that he doesn't seem to be trying?

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #827 on: November 03, 2015, 09:35:55 AM »
But you've said, before, that you're sure his personality causes him to want the job.

How do you explain that he doesn't seem to be trying?

I don't recall saying Trump's personality causes him to want the job.  Not even sure what that means.  I think it's his ego and desire to improve his brand.  It's about money. 


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« Reply #828 on: November 03, 2015, 09:37:53 AM »
Aside from Trump who still a sideshow IMO, several of the candidates are doing pretty well, including Carson, Cruz, Rubio, and Christie. 

carson is a sideshow too.  Finally gets the #1 slot.  Has been on book tour since Oct 2nd lol.  hasn't done a campaign event since oct 2nd.  Quietly started that break without mentioning it, now he's in florida selling books to elderly who sing him church songs and buy crates of it.

he doesn't want to battle hilary.  He wants to get a FOX news show by summer.

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« Reply #829 on: November 03, 2015, 09:39:37 AM »
I don't recall saying Trump's personality causes him to want the job.  Not even sure what that means.  I think it's his ego and desire to improve his brand.  It's about money. 



Would you say he wants to avoid having that accomplishment?

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« Reply #830 on: November 03, 2015, 09:41:22 AM »
carson is a sideshow too.  Finally gets the #1 slot.  Has been on book tour since Oct 2nd lol.  hasn't done a campaign event since oct 2nd.  Quietly started that break without mentioning it, now he's in florida selling books to elderly who sing him church songs and buy crates of it.

he doesn't want to battle hilary.  He wants to get a FOX news show by summer.

Wow.  You mean he did exactly what he said he was going to do?  How awful. 

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« Reply #831 on: November 03, 2015, 09:42:10 AM »
Would you say he wants to avoid having that accomplishment?

?  You're asking me if Trump wants to avoid making money? 

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« Reply #832 on: November 03, 2015, 09:42:59 AM »
?  You're asking me if Trump wants to avoid making money? 

No.  The accomplishment of being President.

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« Reply #833 on: November 03, 2015, 09:45:33 AM »
You've said before he'd love to have it.

I'm just trying to figure what he's up to, is all.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #834 on: November 03, 2015, 09:49:07 AM »
You've said before he'd love to have it.

I'm just trying to figure what he's up to, is all.

No I didn't.  I said the opposite.  He doesn't want to actually have to put in the work required to be president.  I've always maintained he will eventually quit. 

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« Reply #835 on: November 03, 2015, 09:50:43 AM »
No I didn't.  I said the opposite.  He doesn't want to actually have to put in the work required to be president.  I've always maintained he will eventually quit. 

Meaning that you've said he doesn't want it?

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« Reply #836 on: November 03, 2015, 09:53:03 AM »
Meaning that you've said he doesn't want it?

I think it's a little more complex than that.  I think he would love to be president, but would not want to actually put in the day-to-day work required to be president.  Sort of like our current president. 

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« Reply #837 on: November 03, 2015, 10:01:02 AM »
I think it's a little more complex than that.  I think he would love to be president, but would not want to actually put in the day-to-day work required to be president.  Sort of like our current president. 

The work required to become president, or to be president?

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« Reply #838 on: November 03, 2015, 10:14:24 AM »
The work required to become president, or to be president?

Both.  If you listen to his comments (or better yet read them), he talks a lot without actually saying anything.  For example, I heard him say this morning that he will eliminate all of our trade deficits with several foreign countries.  No specifics.  He doesn't get into details.  Too much work. 

Same with actually being president, where you have to do things like attend your daily intelligence briefings, something President Obama fails to do on a regular basis.  No way does Trump actually want to work the long hours required to be a good president. 

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« Reply #839 on: November 03, 2015, 10:25:14 AM »
Both.  If you listen to his comments (or better yet read them), he talks a lot without actually saying anything.  For example, I heard him say this morning that he will eliminate all of our trade deficits with several foreign countries.  No specifics.  He doesn't get into details.  Too much work.  

Same with actually being president, where you have to do things like attend your daily intelligence briefings, something President Obama fails to do on a regular basis.  No way does Trump actually want to work the long hours required to be a good president.  

But he could have other people do most of it for him, which I'm sure he's no stranger to doing.

Know something, though?  Maybe he's afraid of failing.  It could explain everything.  If he simply doesn't take it, then it is other peoples' "fault" (others "failed" to put him in).  If he does take it, though, then everything is on him at that point.

So maybe his ego is causing him to want to lose, rather than to win (the polar opposite of what we'd expect, so the reason for all the uncertainty).

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« Reply #840 on: November 03, 2015, 11:17:15 AM »
But he could have other people do most of it for him, which I'm sure he's no stranger to doing.

Know something, though?  Maybe he's afraid of failing.  It could explain everything.  If he simply doesn't take it, then it is other peoples' "fault" (others "failed" to put him in).  If he does take it, though, then everything is on him at that point.

So maybe his ego is causing him to want to lose, rather than to win (the polar opposite of what we'd expect, so the reason for all the uncertainty).

Perhaps.  We'll likely never know for sure.  I still say he quits.  As his poll numbers slide and he fails to win primaries, and voters rally behind the handful of candidates left after most of them drop out, he is gone. 

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« Reply #841 on: November 03, 2015, 03:26:39 PM »
Both.  If you listen to his comments (or better yet read them), he talks a lot without actually saying anything.  For example, I heard him say this morning that he will eliminate all of our trade deficits with several foreign countries.  No specifics.  He doesn't get into details.  Too much work. 

LOL - dude, this is EXACTLY what carson does too.

when told 'but conservative economists say your 10% title wouldn't work", he simply told chuck toad
yes, it will, we are working on that"

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« Reply #842 on: November 03, 2015, 04:44:38 PM »
LOL - dude, this is EXACTLY what carson does too.

when told 'but conservative economists say your 10% title wouldn't work", he simply told chuck toad
yes, it will, we are working on that"

Do you ever tell the truth?  During the debate he said it was 15 percent for individuals and higher for businesses. 

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« Reply #843 on: November 03, 2015, 07:53:59 PM »
Do you ever tell the truth?  During the debate he said it was 15 percent for individuals and higher for businesses. 

I'm glad he flipflopped once again. 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/11/presidential-hopeful-ben-carson-bases-10-tax-plan-on-biblical-tithing

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #844 on: November 03, 2015, 10:27:35 PM »
Do you ever tell the truth?  During the debate he said it was 15 percent for individuals and higher for businesses. 

More specifically, he said that he originally based on proposal on the Biblical tithing principles. Because our fiscal policy is so great that we should be looking to long-dead sheep-herders and fire-conjurers for ideas.

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« Reply #845 on: November 03, 2015, 10:50:52 PM »
More specifically, he said that he originally based on proposal on the Biblical tithing principles. Because our fiscal policy is so great that we should be looking to long-dead sheep-herders and fire-conjurers for ideas.

he said 10% for a very long time.

he magically changed it to 15% once conservative economists started calling him on it. 

Nothing like magically raising taxes 5% in a month.  LOL he's a democrat!

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« Reply #846 on: November 04, 2015, 09:44:43 AM »
More specifically, he said that he originally based on proposal on the Biblical tithing principles. Because our fiscal policy is so great that we should be looking to long-dead sheep-herders and fire-conjurers for ideas.

Works for me.  Don't knock it till you try it.   :)

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #847 on: November 04, 2015, 11:48:30 AM »
Why voters like Ben Carson
By  Chris Stirewalt
Published November 04, 2015
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Why is Ben Carson the single most popular candidate running for president in either party?

As Carson moves into a tie with Donald Trump in the latest Quinnipiac University national Republican primary poll, the retired neurosurgeon is blowing the doors off every candidate – including Hillary Clinton – when it comes to the general electorate.

Carson runs better against Clinton than any GOP contender in hypothetical general election matchup, romping to a 10-point lead. Among the three other top-tier GOP candidates, Sens. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz both defeated Clinton by 5 points and 3 points respectively while Trump trails Clinton by 3 points.

We’re still almost a year out from Election Day, so these matchups are meaningless as predictive properties. But they do reveal the depth of Clinton’s predicament and the remarkable height Carson is obtaining.

Among both general election voters and Republicans, Carson and Rubio are the best liked candidates, though Carly Fiorina also shows appeal in her party and with all voters.  But consider this: Carson has a favorability score 34 points higher than Clinton’s.

Americans might vote for a candidate they do not like. Americans might even vote for a candidate they do not trust, but Democrats ought to be more than a little seasick at the thought that their presumptive nominee is 10 points underwater with the national electorate on favorability and 24 points (!) underwater on honesty.

But again, why is Carson the most popular candidate in the country?

To get your answer, consider the least liked candidate in either party: Jeb Bush.

Bush, who has a net favorability rating of negative 33 points, has made personal attacks a hallmark of late. He first attacked Trump, who is the ne plus ultra of character attackers. But Bush has most recently been attacking the character of his onetime protégé, Rubio.

Bush’s attacks on Trump have sometimes been issue-based, but with Rubio, Bush attacks his younger rival as unfit and unready for office, comparing him to President Obama.

That’s not Ronald Reagan hitting Gerald Ford on the Panama Canal or Mitt Romney clubbing Rick Perry over Social Security. This is personal, more in the vein of the hits Romney took from rivals Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum for Romney’s work at Bain Capital, attacks that teed up the ball for Obama in the general election.

Attacks cost favorability for both the attacked and the attacker. It’s like an intentional foul in a football game. It’s only worth the penalty of it keeps the other team from scoring and keeps you in the game.

Trump’s persistent personal attacks have been part of what has left him unable to expand his reach within his party. Bush’s attacks have proven even more costly. He fell 26 points on favorability with the general electorate since Quinnipiac’s September poll and 38 percent just among Republicans.

Team Bush is looking to reboot, but with Bush loyalists pushing hard on Rubio’s spotty personal financial past – one Bush loyalist emailed today calling for Rubio to release a decade of his credit scores – it seems clear that the personal attacks will persist.

Carson’s opponents have mostly avoided attacking him, except, of course, Trump, a move which has plainly backfired. Attacking Carson, a kindly, Christian man with an inspiring life story, is hard to do.

And Carson goes to great pains to avoid saying unkind things about his rivals. Like Cruz and Rubio, Carson looks for ways to praise rather than blame his fellow Republicans. And voters reward them.

The lesson: If you want to fight your intra-party foes, do it on substance not character.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #848 on: November 04, 2015, 11:55:56 AM »
"The lesson: If you want to fight your intra-party foes, do it on substance not character."


LOL.  Carson is about the most ANTI-SUBSTANCE candidate in the race.

The earth is only 6000 years old.   Noahs ark > modern ships.  Stabbing lies.  Robbery lies.  Lies about endorsements.   Suspending campaign to sell books. 

Christie's anti drug speech today was actually pretty decent.  Rubio's plan for amnesy is substance, even if I disagree with it.  Carson = substance?  Delustional.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #849 on: November 04, 2015, 12:00:06 PM »
Rubio gets second Senate endorsement
By Jesse Byrnes
November 03, 2015



Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is picking up his second endorsement for president from a fellow senator in as many days.

"I'm endorsing Marco Rubio for President," said Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) in a statement on Tuesday.
"Marco represents the next generation of conservative leadership and is a leader who will inspire and unite our country."

Rubio's first Senate endorsement came from Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) on Monday, who cast him as someone "who is looking forward toward the future, not looking back at the past."

Both Daines and Gardner are freshmen senators, who took office this year.

The endorsement from Daines, which was first reported by The Huffington Post, and Gardner's advocacy come after Rubio's lauded performance in the third GOP debate last week.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259007-rubios-picks-up-second-senator-endorsement