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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #950 on: December 31, 2015, 01:44:26 PM »
Interesting posts, DE and James.

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« Reply #951 on: December 31, 2015, 01:48:04 PM »
But the idea is that Cruz knew or thought or hoped that it wouldn't pass, but that it would succeed in exposing hypocrisy?

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« Reply #952 on: December 31, 2015, 01:48:47 PM »
Interesting posts, DE and James.

Thanks, BeachBum (DE) and I agree 99% of the time but this falls into the 1% where we don't, as I believe Jeff Sessions and Ted Cruz but Beachbum chooses not to, even though Jeff Sessions is known as being honest and as anti-amnesty as they come, and he backs up Cruz's side of the details and not Rubio.


But the idea is that Cruz knew or thought or hoped that it wouldn't pass, but that it would succeed in exposing hypocrisy?

Yes, and cause the entire Gang of 8 Bill to be defeated. Rubio and the other gang of 8 were out there saying the Bill's main purpose was about security and about making illegal immigrants into legal immigrants, and not truly for the purpose of granting amnesty and all Cruz did was show them to be full of shit by putting forth an amendment (poison pill) to remove the amnesty part of the gang of 8 Bill knowing they would not be for it, in essence calling their bluff, saying "well if its only about getting them to come out of the shadows then lets remove the citizenship part of your bill so they can still become legal but never have a right to vote", knowing they (rinos and libs) would vote it down and in the end could show that the Bill was only about the end result of granting amnesty (citizenship to illegals) and nothing more and all Cruz did was put forth an amendment as a way of defeating the entire gang of 8 bill, and as Sessions said everyone knows that, including Rubio, and also including Fox news.



"My amendment was a one-page amendment that said anyone here illegally is permanently ineligible for citizenship," the first-term Texas senator told Greta Van Susteren on Fox News. "It was calling their bluff because what it did was revealed hypocrisy."

"Five amendments that were all designed to defeat this — and we succeeded," Cruz responded. "What's happening now is that the Washington establishment is in a panic."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ted-cruz-poison-bill-amendments-killed/2015/12/18/id/706450/







Listen to Senator Jeff Session's own words:


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« Reply #953 on: December 31, 2015, 02:46:56 PM »
When Cruz put forth the idea that we increase skilled visas by 500% and that we double the number of permits for other types of work (ON TOP of that), he did so with the confidence it wouldn't pass?  Meaning that had the amendment been accepted, he would have rejected the final product anyway, while confident that a sufficient number of others would do the same?

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« Reply #954 on: December 31, 2015, 03:40:10 PM »
Thanks, BeachBum (DE) and I agree 99% of the time but this falls into the 1% where we don't, as I believe Jeff Sessions and Ted Cruz but Beachbum chooses not to, even though Jeff Sessions is known as being honest and as anti-amnesty as they come, and he backs up Cruz's side of the details and not Rubio.


Hey it's all good.  I don't think Cruz is pro amnesty.  I just take his words at face value.  Whether he was genuine or saying something he didn't believe for the greater good, he still made the comments about illegals being given some kind of legal status. 

But at the end of the day, I care more about whether he or anyone else is on the right side of the issue. 

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« Reply #955 on: January 01, 2016, 07:35:43 AM »
I just take his words at face value.  

Well then take his own words here at face value:

"My amendment was a one-page amendment that said anyone here illegally is permanently ineligible for citizenship," the first-term Texas senator told Greta Van Susteren on Fox News. "It was calling their bluff because what it did was revealed hypocrisy."

"Five amendments that were all designed to defeat this — and we succeeded," Cruz responded. "What's happening now is that the Washington establishment is in a panic."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ted-cruz-poison-bill-amendments-killed/2015/12/18/id/706450/



Hey it's all good.  I don't think Cruz is pro amnesty.  I just take his words at face value.  Whether he was genuine or saying something he didn't believe for the greater good, he still made the comments about illegals being given some kind of legal status.  

But at the end of the day, I care more about whether he or anyone else is on the right side of the issue.  


His prior comments was made in him calling their bluff, and nothing more, and I really cant understand why you wont see that or accept that. What he did with those Amendments (and his speech supporting them) was to push a false narrative to show the "hypocrisy" and to defeat the entire Gang of 8 Bill, but he has to be careful in explaining this as it could end up making him look bad as so many folks right now that vote on the republican side are sick of Politicians and all that that includes (why Trump is so high in the Polls) so he has to walk a narrow line in describing what he did to defeat the gang of 8 bill, and i can assure you that Greta and Brett Braer know that, but they dont like the guy and it is what it is, Cruz did not go to Washington to get in line and do as he is told by Mitch McConnell and the Establishment, he did not go to make friends and go against what he promised to do if elected, the person that did that is Rubio, it is Rubio who ran saying he would fight Amnesty if elected as Senator and then just a year later after being elected gave an big F U to his voters and teamed up with Chuck Shumer to try and ram Amnesty through, and as for Greta, her and many others at Fox news are Pro Establishment folks and want someone like Jeb or Rubio in office, and cant stand Cruz.  They have Megan Kelly, Carl Rove, Brit Hume, Dana Perino, and Krauthammer on everyday bashing Cruz and Trump with most times having no one on there to take Cruz or Trumps side, so much for fair and balanced.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #956 on: January 01, 2016, 09:27:57 AM »
Well then take his own words here at face value:

"My amendment was a one-page amendment that said anyone here illegally is permanently ineligible for citizenship," the first-term Texas senator told Greta Van Susteren on Fox News. "It was calling their bluff because what it did was revealed hypocrisy."

"Five amendments that were all designed to defeat this — and we succeeded," Cruz responded. "What's happening now is that the Washington establishment is in a panic."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ted-cruz-poison-bill-amendments-killed/2015/12/18/id/706450/




His prior comments was made in him calling their bluff, and nothing more, and I really cant understand why you wont see that or accept that. What he did with those Amendments (and his speech supporting them) was to push a false narrative to show the "hypocrisy" and to defeat the entire Gang of 8 Bill, but he has to be careful in explaining this as it could end up making him look bad as so many folks right now that vote on the republican side are sick of Politicians and all that that includes (why Trump is so high in the Polls) so he has to walk a narrow line in describing what he did to defeat the gang of 8 bill, and i can assure you that Greta and Brett Braer know that, but they dont like the guy and it is what it is, Cruz did not go to Washington to get in line and do as he is told by Mitch McConnell and the Establishment, he did not go to make friends and go against what he promised to do if elected, the person that did that is Rubio, it is Rubio who ran saying he would fight Amnesty if elected as Senator and then just a year later after being elected gave an big F U to his voters and teamed up with Chuck Shumer to try and ram Amnesty through, and as for Greta, her and many others at Fox news are Pro Establishment folks and want someone like Jeb or Rubio in office, and cant stand Cruz.  They have Megan Kelly, Carl Rove, Brit Hume, Dana Perino, and Krauthammer on everyday bashing Cruz and Trump with most times having no one on there to take Cruz or Trumps side, so much for fair and balanced.

You should put his prior comments in bold and red too. 

I disagree about Megyn Kelly, Britt Hume, and Krauthammer bashing Cruz every day.  I watch them quite a bit and I don't see that.  They do bash Trump, but not Cruz. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #957 on: January 01, 2016, 09:30:10 AM »
Three top aides resign from Carson campaign
By Morning Express with Robin Meade staff
Fri January 1, 2016

A big shakeup in Ben Carson’s campaign: three of his top staffers have resigned.

Carson's campaign manager, deputy manager and communications director stepped down yesterday amid reports of in-fighting.

CNN Politics: Bob Dees is now the campaign chairman

Two of them released a statement saying they respect Carson, and enjoyed helping him become a top candidate.

Carson said the changes were needed to jumpstart his campaign.

Right now, he is far behind both Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in the polls.

http://www.hlntv.com/shows/morning-express-robin-meade/articles/2016/01/01/ben-carson-s-campaign-manager-quits

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« Reply #958 on: January 01, 2016, 10:10:49 AM »
I disagree about Megyn Kelly, Britt Hume, and Krauthammer bashing Cruz every day.  I watch them quite a bit and I don't see that.  They do bash Trump, but not Cruz.  

Just a few:

The audio from Mark Levin is short but very to the point, as he hammers Brit Hume for his obsessive hatred of Ted Cruz:
Video: (Below too)
http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-hammers-brit-hume-and-charles-krauthammer/

Fox News RINO Britt Hume's Constant Cruz Bashing
http://www.scout.com/college/west-virginia/forums/2545-politics-religion/14393735-fox-news-rino-britt-hume-s-constant-cruz-bashing/ms/178641238?s=159


Brit Hume attacks Ted Cruz at the end of the debate
http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-attacks-ted-cruz-at-the-end-of-the-debate/


Then yesterday on Fox, The Five in the afternoon dumped all over Ted Cruz
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/03/24/as_predicted_conservatives_attack_cruz

Fox News begins bashing Ted Cruz to protect Jeb
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2015/03/23/fox-news-begins-bashing-ted-cruz-to-protect-jeb-with-greg-gutfeld/

Fox ‘News’ Host Megyn Kelly Basically Calls Ted Cruz An Idiot
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/07/01/fox-news-host-megyn-kelly-basically-calls-ted-cruz-an-idiot-video/

Baier Blames Ted Cruz
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/fox-host-bret-baier-blames-ted-cruz-for-mccarthy-dropping-from-race-for-house-speaker-video/

Brit Hume: Ted Cruz is a hypocrite.
http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-ted-cruz-is-a-hypocrite-for-criticizing-mitch-mcconnell/

Charles Krauthammer: Refers to Ted Cruz as a hypocrite
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/27/charles-krauthammer-ted-cruz-guilty-of-committing-act-of-rather-amazing-hypocrisy/

WOW! Greg Gutfeld Rips Ted Cruz After Presidential Announcement: It’s Always Been About Him (Video)
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/wow-greg-gutfeld-rips-ted-cruz-after-presidential-announcement-its-always-been-about-him-video/

Rush Limbaugh Defends Ted Cruz From Fox News'
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/12/17/rush-limbaugh-defends-ted-cruz-from-fox-news-cr/207587

I’ve Lost a Little Respect for Fox News’ Brit Hume After This Attack on Ted Cruz
http://rightwingnews.com/election-2016/ive-lost-a-little-respect-for-fox-news-brit-hume-after-this-attack-on-ted-cruz/

Fox News Pundits Bash Ted Cruz!
http://eaglerising.com/12790/fox-news-pundits-bashes-ted-cruz/

Some people noticed something curious about Fox News' treatment of Ted Cruz;
http://twitchy.com/2015/08/11/some-people-noticed-something-curious-about-fox-news-treatment-of-ted-cruz-do-you-agree/

Hammers, Fox News's Roger Ailes HATES Ted Cruz
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=871670632869598&id=206783309358337

GOP, Fox, Dems All Trying to Destroy Cruz’s Credibility
http://www.independentsentinel.com/gop-fox-dems-all-trying-to-destroy-cruzs-credibility/

Megyn Kelly nasty interviSeems Donald Trump isn’t the only conservative that Megyn Kelly hates. She has had multiple interviews with Ted Cruz on ‘The Kelly File.’ Most of them snarky, obnoxious and downright disrespectful. Here are a few samples:Calls Ted Cruz the most hated man in Americaews with Ted Cruz VIDEO
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2015/08/08/megyn-kelly-nasty-interviews-with-ted-cruz-video/




 Mark Levin hammers Brit Hume of FOX News for his obsessive hatred of Ted Cruz:



"I dont know of anybody who has more obsessive hate for Ted Cruz than Brit Hume at FOX.  Its Incredible!" - Mark Levin

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #959 on: January 01, 2016, 04:03:39 PM »
James delivers a lot of great examples of FOX attacking Cruz.

Dos Equis misses a lot of stories on getbig (even those he comments on) and needs to be continually reminded of the simple things.  So I suspect he did watch FOX all this time, but didn't remember the cruz attacks that the rest of us recall easily.

everyone has gifts.  Some of us remember minute details from FOX newscasts from 18 months ago.  Dos Equis' gift involves the ability to moderate in a fair and balanced manner.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #960 on: January 01, 2016, 04:26:09 PM »
ya just know there's a thread from 2007/2008 called "obama missed a TON of votes to campaign", along with 333386/waterbottlecrusher and others shitting on obama for missing fewer votes than Rubio did this time ;)

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #961 on: January 02, 2016, 11:11:44 AM »
James delivers a lot of great examples of FOX attacking Cruz.

Dos Equis misses a lot of stories on getbig (even those he comments on) and needs to be continually reminded of the simple things.  So I suspect he did watch FOX all this time, but didn't remember the cruz attacks that the rest of us recall easily.

everyone has gifts.  Some of us remember minute details from FOX newscasts from 18 months ago.  Dos Equis' gift involves the ability to moderate in a fair and balanced manner.

I find it a little odd that anyone who watches Fox News on a regular basis would not notice how often they talk negatively of Ted Cruz, especially from Brit Hume who smears Cruz every chance he gets, so much so that even Mark Levin (who likes Brit Hume) had to finally call out Brit Hume for doing so. Even Rush Limbaugh made comments about it happening as well.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #962 on: January 02, 2016, 08:43:08 PM »
I find it a little odd that anyone who watches Fox News on a regular basis would not notice how often they talk negatively of Ted Cruz, especially from Brit Hume who smears Cruz every chance he gets, so much so that even Mark Levin (who likes Brit Hume) had to finally call out Brit Hume for doing so. Even Rush Limbaugh made comments about it happening as well.

They trash ted cruz on a regular basis.  Completely opposite of the way they defend the others 24/7.  They explained away so many of Carsons "mis-statements"... anchors trying to defend a dude just saying dumb things.

I get it... Cruz scares big spending pork repubs that are okay with debt, as long as it's the rich getting the $ and not the poor/minorities.  And their followers on getbig too.   Dos Equis has gone silent since you pointed out so many clear examples of FOX trashing Cruz on a regular basis.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #963 on: January 04, 2016, 08:36:11 AM »


Rush Limbaugh defends Ted Cruz from Fox News attacks:


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« Reply #964 on: January 04, 2016, 09:19:02 AM »
Here is a 2nd video from Mark Levin going after Charles Krauthammer and  the "Five" Fox News Host Eric Boling  for trashing Ted Cruz:


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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #965 on: January 04, 2016, 09:43:35 AM »
More:

Fox News Head "Roger Ailes" Compares Ted Cruz to One of America’s Worst Presidents:

he Hollywood Reporter talked to Roger Ailes for its May issue, and the Fox News president discussed many topics, including Hillary Clinton, the liberal mango, Jon Stewart, and enjoying his public persona. When asked whether he thinks Ted Cruz could win the Republican presidential nomination next year, he said, "Listen, we elected Warren G. Harding," insulting the Texas senator's chances and voters in one spare sentence. Harding is regularly rated as one of the worst — or at least one of the most forgettable — presidents in American history. The 74-year-old Ailes also noted that he had no interest in running for office after his time at Fox is done. "Every night is a fundraiser. It's sort of empty."


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ 2015/04/roger-ailes-compares-cruz-to-warren-g-harding.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/introspective-roger-ailes-fox-news-789877






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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #966 on: January 04, 2016, 09:54:42 AM »
Just a few:

The audio from Mark Levin is short but very to the point, as he hammers Brit Hume for his obsessive hatred of Ted Cruz:
Video: (Below too)
http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-hammers-brit-hume-and-charles-krauthammer/

Fox News RINO Britt Hume's Constant Cruz Bashing
http://www.scout.com/college/west-virginia/forums/2545-politics-religion/14393735-fox-news-rino-britt-hume-s-constant-cruz-bashing/ms/178641238?s=159


Brit Hume attacks Ted Cruz at the end of the debate
http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-attacks-ted-cruz-at-the-end-of-the-debate/


Then yesterday on Fox, The Five in the afternoon dumped all over Ted Cruz
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/03/24/as_predicted_conservatives_attack_cruz

Fox News begins bashing Ted Cruz to protect Jeb
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2015/03/23/fox-news-begins-bashing-ted-cruz-to-protect-jeb-with-greg-gutfeld/

Fox ‘News’ Host Megyn Kelly Basically Calls Ted Cruz An Idiot
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/07/01/fox-news-host-megyn-kelly-basically-calls-ted-cruz-an-idiot-video/

Baier Blames Ted Cruz
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/fox-host-bret-baier-blames-ted-cruz-for-mccarthy-dropping-from-race-for-house-speaker-video/

Brit Hume: Ted Cruz is a hypocrite.
http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-ted-cruz-is-a-hypocrite-for-criticizing-mitch-mcconnell/

Charles Krauthammer: Refers to Ted Cruz as a hypocrite
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/27/charles-krauthammer-ted-cruz-guilty-of-committing-act-of-rather-amazing-hypocrisy/

WOW! Greg Gutfeld Rips Ted Cruz After Presidential Announcement: It’s Always Been About Him (Video)
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/wow-greg-gutfeld-rips-ted-cruz-after-presidential-announcement-its-always-been-about-him-video/

Rush Limbaugh Defends Ted Cruz From Fox News'
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/12/17/rush-limbaugh-defends-ted-cruz-from-fox-news-cr/207587

I’ve Lost a Little Respect for Fox News’ Brit Hume After This Attack on Ted Cruz
http://rightwingnews.com/election-2016/ive-lost-a-little-respect-for-fox-news-brit-hume-after-this-attack-on-ted-cruz/

Fox News Pundits Bash Ted Cruz!
http://eaglerising.com/12790/fox-news-pundits-bashes-ted-cruz/

Some people noticed something curious about Fox News' treatment of Ted Cruz;
http://twitchy.com/2015/08/11/some-people-noticed-something-curious-about-fox-news-treatment-of-ted-cruz-do-you-agree/

Hammers, Fox News's Roger Ailes HATES Ted Cruz
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=871670632869598&id=206783309358337

GOP, Fox, Dems All Trying to Destroy Cruz’s Credibility
http://www.independentsentinel.com/gop-fox-dems-all-trying-to-destroy-cruzs-credibility/

Megyn Kelly nasty interviSeems Donald Trump isn’t the only conservative that Megyn Kelly hates. She has had multiple interviews with Ted Cruz on ‘The Kelly File.’ Most of them snarky, obnoxious and downright disrespectful. Here are a few samples:Calls Ted Cruz the most hated man in Americaews with Ted Cruz VIDEO
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2015/08/08/megyn-kelly-nasty-interviews-with-ted-cruz-video/




 Mark Levin hammers Brit Hume of FOX News for his obsessive hatred of Ted Cruz:



"I dont know of anybody who has more obsessive hate for Ted Cruz than Brit Hume at FOX.  Its Incredible!" - Mark Levin

I listened to the Levin and Limbaugh clips and looked at a few of the other links.  This is awfully weak.  He was asked a few tough questions by Megyn Kelly.  Someone questioned his success in the Senate.  His experience in the Senate was questioned.  Those are all valid inquiries.  I don't consider any of that hating on the man every day.  That doesn't happen. 

I don't watch FOX every day, but I have watched enough to know they are not bashing Cruz every day.  This is some incredibly thin-skinned stuff. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #967 on: January 04, 2016, 10:01:40 AM »
Brit Hume attacks Ted Cruz at the end of the debate

Read more: http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-attacks-ted-cruz-at-the-end-of-the-debate/#ixzz3wIehkXHb

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #968 on: January 04, 2016, 10:09:10 AM »
Trump launches 1st TV ad, as 2016 candidates barnstorm Iowa, NH
Published January 04, 2016 
FoxNews.com

The Republican presidential candidates kicked off the 2016 election year on Monday with a burst of new attacks and advertising – including Donald Trump’s first TV ad of the season – as they entered the final sprint to Iowa and New Hampshire.

As Trump rolled out his TV spot in both early-voting states, Ben Carson released a new tax plan, just days after shaking up his struggling campaign. Ted Cruz was launching an aggressive 36-county tour across Iowa, while Marco Rubio used a security speech Monday in New Hampshire to slam those who voted to rein in America’s intelligence efforts.

The speeches, the ads, the bus tours and the proposals all reflect an effort by the campaigns in the still-crowded field to effectively re-launch, with less than a month to go until the lead-off Iowa caucuses, and after that the New Hampshire primary.

Carson, who has endured a precipitous drop in the polls and switched up his top campaign staff last week, unveiled a plan Monday to scrap the tax code and replace it with a 14.9 percent flat tax.

“No deductions, no loopholes -- it applies to everybody across the board,” the retired neurosurgeon told Fox News.

Once the darling of Iowa conservatives, Carson has seen his numbers plummet there as Cruz, the Texas senator, has shot to the front of the field – nudging past Trump.

Though Trump still holds the lead in most New Hampshire polls, the billionaire businessman is seeking to energize his bid by putting money behind his first TV ad of the race. His campaign announced it would be spending at least $2 million a week on the ad, split between Iowa and New Hampshire.

The ad reprises Trump’s call to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and to take the Islamic State’s oil, but begins by defending the controversial proposal he made after the San Bernardino terror attack to ban Muslims from entering the U.S.

The narrator in the ad says: “The politicians can pretend it’s something else but Donald Trump calls its radical Islamic terrorism. That’s why he’s calling for a temporary shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until we can figure out what’s going on.”

Trump isn’t the only one talking tough in the final stretch.

Florida Sen. Rubio, at an American Legion post in New Hampshire, took an implicit shot at candidates like Cruz in blasting lawmakers who voted to rein in the NSA – while vowing to “restore” such intelligence programs.

“If ISIS had lobbyists in Washington, they would have spent millions to support the anti-intelligence law that was just passed with the help of some Republicans now running for president,” Rubio charged.

He also blasted Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as “incompetent,” and said, “She has lied” – referring to her public explanations regarding the Benghazi terror attack.

Keep the Promise, a super PAC supporting Cruz, launched its own ad in Iowa that mocked Rubio over a video clip he put out in October joking about “fantasy football” – the pro-Cruz ad juxtaposes that against images of ISIS fighters and the refugee crisis to question his seriousness.

Cruz, meanwhile, is keeping a packed schedule as he launches a six-day, 36-county bus tour in the Hawkeye State – and tries to maintain his lead there.

Even the lower-polling candidates are taking another crack at breaking through. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who won the Iowa contest in 2012, launched his first TV ad in the state on Monday – also going after Cruz.

The ad starts with a clip of the Texas senator reading a Dr. Seuss classic, "Green Eggs And Ham," on the Senate floor, which he did during a filibuster-like speech opposing ObamaCare in 2013.

"You want someone to read one helluva bedtime story, Ted Cruz is your guy," a narrator says. "If you want to protect America, and defeat ISIS, Rick Santorum’s your president. Because serious times need serious people."

Santorum, though, is polling at under 1 percent in the state as Cruz and Trump maintain an unrivaled lead.

New Hampshire, by contrast, is a much tighter contest. No fewer than five candidates are jockeying closely for the position behind Trump in the polls right now: Rubio, Cruz, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/04/trump-launches-1st-tv-ad-as-2016-candidates-barnstorm-iowa-nh.html?intcmp=hpbt1


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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #970 on: January 04, 2016, 03:27:25 PM »
I listened to the Levin and Limbaugh clips and looked at a few of the other links.  This is awfully weak.  He was asked a few tough questions by Megyn Kelly.  Someone questioned his success in the Senate.  His experience in the Senate was questioned.  Those are all valid inquiries.  I don't consider any of that hating on the man every day.  That doesn't happen. 

I don't watch FOX every day, but I have watched enough to know they are not bashing Cruz every day.  This is some incredibly thin-skinned stuff. 

youre sticking to a weak narrative due to ego and embarrassment.  James showed it over and over and over.

we all get proven wrong from time to time on getbig.  just own it like a man.  learn from it.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #971 on: January 04, 2016, 03:35:26 PM »
youre sticking to a weak narrative due to ego and embarrassment.  James showed it over and over and over.

we all get proven wrong from time to time on getbig.  just own it like a man.  learn from it.

I'm confident you didn't read a single link he posted.  You are an uninformed, dishonest troll.  Nobody cares what you think.  

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #972 on: January 04, 2016, 03:52:36 PM »
Beach, So you honestly think Mark Levin is gonna call out Brit Hume for something "awfully weak"?


How about this: out of all the debates so far on both sides, the only twitter comment Brit Hume made during a debate was a negative one, and guess who it was about? if you guessed Hillary you guessed wrong, and if you guessed Trump you are wrong again, the truth is it was a negative comment about Cruz:

"Ted Cruz going on about all the fights he has led in Washington. Never mentions the number of fights he won. The answer is none."

https://twitter.com/brithume/status/659554001718009856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #973 on: January 04, 2016, 04:20:28 PM »
Beach, So you honestly think Mark Levin is gonna call out Brit Hume for something "awfully weak"?


How about this: out of all the debates so far on both sides, the only twitter comment Brit Hume made during a debate was a negative one, and guess who it was about? if you guessed Hillary you guessed wrong, and if you guessed Trump you are wrong again, the truth is it was a negative comment about Cruz:

"Ted Cruz going on about all the fights he has led in Washington. Never mentions the number of fights he won. The answer is none."

https://twitter.com/brithume/status/659554001718009856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

No.  I'm saying relying on these clips and stories to say there is some kind of daily assault on Ted Cruz is very weak.  A handful of commentators have made critical comments.  They make critical comments about Rubio, Bush, Carson, etc.  This is mountain out of molehill stuff.     

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #974 on: January 04, 2016, 04:29:55 PM »
No.  I'm saying relying on these clips and stories to say there is some kind of daily assault on Ted Cruz is very weak.  A handful of commentators have made critical comments.  They make critical comments about Rubio, Bush, Carson, etc.  This is mountain out of molehill stuff.      

Look Beach,  I like you, we are on the same side, but you need to open your eyes, Mark Levin is not gonna call out Brit Hume for making a "few critical comments" towards Cruz and neither is Rush as thy both like and respect Brit Hume and others on Fox News, but both have done so, as even they have seen it happen over and over, and way to often to be considered  "mountain out of molehill stuff"  




Read this:

Personally, I am not trying to promote any candidate. I will vote for anyone I believe will reverse this anti-American government set up by Barack Obama. However, the truth must be told. I like Marco Rubio but in this situation he is using a deceptive tactic to kill off his opponent Ted Cruz.

The left-wing and the Establishment GOP have tried to convince the American people that the Rubio-Senate immigration bill was not amnesty. I read the bill twice and it was definitely amnesty. In the bill, the border wasn’t secured for years and not until after the fact; 40% who come here illegally jump visas and that was not dealt with in the bill; and the short timeline until they could vote would have been completely evaporated once passed. For the Democrats, this was about getting the illegal immigrants to the polls.

We are probably talking about 20 million or more people who would be voting for Democrats. The Senate bill – the Gang of Eight bill – would have done for the country what Reagan’s amnesty and Bush’s did for California.

Unless people want a one-party socialist government, this should concern everyone.

There is a brutal attack going on from these same people against Ted Cruz. They are probably doing it for Marco Rubio. The Establishment would much prefer him to Cruz. He’s pliable and of much the same mind.

Fox News has been vicious in their attack.

In 2013, Cruz, in desperation, put in amendments to modify the Senate bill which looked like it was going to pass. The amendment, which the Establishment is using as proof that Cruz lied, didn’t stop legalization but it clearly forbad these immigrants who were granted amnesty from voting for 25 years.

If you remember at the time, anyone who opposed the bill was a racist, nativist and xenophobe. It was near-impossible to attack it. That was the climate at the time.

The amendment was meant to be a poison pill for the bill. It was also a compromise. It didn’t work but Cruz was doing whatever he could to stop or modify this monstrosity of a bill.

There is no doubt that Cruz has been 100% opposed to amnesty.

Now the Establishment and the Democrats want you to believe the Senate bill wasn’t amnesty. I recommend you read over the thousands of pages and I guarantee when you are done, you will agree with me that it was amnesty.

The GOP wants people to believe Rubio was just young and taken in by the elders in the Gang of Eight but Rubio was not that young and he was the face of the bill. He starred in the ads and what he said about the bill was not what was in the bill.

On the night of the debate, Megyn Kelly and Brit Hume were well-prepared to deal with the back-and-forth between Rubio and Cruz on the issue. Rubio is trying to say that Cruz supported legalization and, by inference, the same amnesty that he put forth in his bill.

The Fox team attacked Cruz and called him a liar and they were vicious. They presented a one-sided argument to protect and promote Rubio.

“He has attempted to muddy the waters,” Cruz said on the stage. “Where there was a battle over amnesty and some chose, like Sen. Rubio to stand with Barack Obama and Chuck Schumer and support a massive amnesty plan. Others chose to stand with Jeff Sessions and Steve King and the American people and secure the border,” Cruz said during the debate.

CNN was fairer to Cruz than Fox. Megyn Kelly and Brit Hume targeted Ted Cruz’s credibility.

After the debate and at the beginning of the after-debate analysis, Megyn Kelly and Brit Hume seemed well-prepared to attack the Rubio-Cruz exchanges, especially the one in which Cruz said their views on immigration were far apart.

Megyn had the clip of Cruz talking about the amendment all ready and waiting. Brit said Cruz was not telling the truth and Megyn claimed that the way he handles Rubio is to bring up the Gang of Eight bill. She meant that as an insult.

They didn’t allow for any nuances. They did not discuss the fact that Rubio always says his immigration plan is the same as Cruz’s when it is not. Rubio escapes scrutiny on that issue and he’s clearly lying.

They tore into Cruz over his position on the NSA. Brit went back to calling him a liar over legalization. They also repeated the over-stated remark that the NSA can’t get five years of records but failed to mention that they can get two years of records, among other pluses they didn’t have before.

Brit ended with yet another jab at Cruz, “he’s an enormously impressive candidate in many ways, but…he can’t shake hands with the truth.” That’s a really awful left-handed compliment.

They were much too eager to destroy Cruz’ credibility. Brit called him a liar four times and Megyn grinned broadly – objective interviewer.

A little later, they played up the exchange between Trump and Cruz in which Cruz said all the people on the stage would make a better candidate than Hillary rather than attack Trump. The so-called analysts tried to make Cruz look weak by not attacking Trump but it actually was a deliberate tactic, not weakness on Cruz’s part.

They obviously wanted Cruz and Trump to kill each other.

The next day, last evening, on Special Report, Bret Baier grilled Cruz. Ignoring what Cruz was saying, he later suggested to the panel that Cruz was lying and Charles Krauthammer was quick to agree. You have to understand that while these are generally good men, they are Establishment. They do not bring up any negatives or lies by Marco Rubio. He’s the new golden boy if Jeb fails.

I happened to turn on Rush today, something I rarely do, but it must have been meant to be, because he clearly explained what was going on. I have included the audio here for you. He explains it much better than I do.

What is very interesting, Dana Bash of CNN said the exact same thing Rush says in these audios. The lie isn’t Cruz’s, it’s Rubio’s.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/gop-fox-dems-all-trying-to-destroy-cruzs-credibility/