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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: GroinkTropin on December 08, 2007, 03:06:44 PM
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What in your opinion are the most crucial supplements to take? What are total crap and should be avoided?
Also what's your take on the following.
Sesamin (and do you prefer capsules or powder and why?)
ECA stacks
Hotroxx extreme
Leviathan reloaded
Greens+
TY
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Most people don't like my list of supplements. Cause I don't believe in taking a lot of stuff.
Whey (whatever the cheapest thing is your stomach can handle)
BCAA's (if cutting)
Glutamine (if you have a high stress live and are prone to getting sick)
Creatine (it's cheap and has studies proving it works)
Diet pill of your choice (depends on what stimulant level you can handle)
Standard all in one vitamin.
Outside of that, to me, your diet is everything. There are other supplements depending on personal needs I would recommend. If you have high blood pressure, cholesterol and other things. I believe in a minimalistic supplement regimen. 90% of supplement users try to supplement their way out of dieting correctly. They figure cutting corners on their diet and offsetting it by taking a billion supplements will work. To me, before I spent 200.00 on supplements, I'd get a QUALIFIED person to make out a diet. www.dietsbychuck.com is killer. IMO, one of the best guys on the planet. I've used him numerous times for myself and friends. He did the diets for a lot of my ex's who competed.
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Good list of staples, 1Fast. Do you ever use anything "extra" like pro-hormones or NO products?
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Me, no. I don't care about getting big. I'm naturally a thin guy. For me hanging around 170 at 7% or so is fine. I have used some preworkout stuff, Primal N20. I think most pre-workout products have to many stims in them, well above normal levels. A very popular pre-workout drink, has 500+mg of caffeine per serving. Just stupid.
So it's not that I see anything wrong with them, but I personally don't use them. Most of the pro hormone products out now are simply misbranded drugs. The people that make the stuff don't know what they're selling because they don't test it. That or they know and just ignore it. In my opinion, these types of people will be the people that will lead us to massive regulation via the FDA/DEA
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Most people don't like my list of supplements. Cause I don't believe in taking a lot of stuff.
Whey (whatever the cheapest thing is your stomach can handle)
BCAA's (if cutting)
Glutamine (if you have a high stress live and are prone to getting sick)
Creatine (it's cheap and has studies proving it works)
Diet pill of your choice (depends on what stimulant level you can handle)
Standard all in one vitamin.
Outside of that, to me, your diet is everything. There are other supplements depending on personal needs I would recommend. If you have high blood pressure, cholesterol and other things. I believe in a minimalistic supplement regimen. 90% of supplement users try to supplement their way out of dieting correctly. They figure cutting corners on their diet and offsetting it by taking a billion supplements will work. To me, before I spent 200.00 on supplements, I'd get a QUALIFIED person to make out a diet. www.dietsbychuck.com is killer. IMO, one of the best guys on the planet. I've used him numerous times for myself and friends. He did the diets for a lot of my ex's who competed.
I actually like that list, it's pretty basic. Here is my daily supp list, criticism welcome.
Greens+- 12 caps day
Glutamine- 30 grams day
Efa's-4 caps morning
Vit-acell 1 cap in morning
Hot-roxx extreme 2 caps morn 2 caps 6 hours later
sesamin- 2grams morn 2 grams with second hot roxx dose
AH-89 2 caps morn
Thats about it, protein shakes here and there. On your advice I'm also adding in bcaa's immediately, I had no idea the difference between them and whey but you opened my eyes to it. tyty
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Most people don't like my list of supplements. Cause I don't believe in taking a lot of stuff.
Whey (whatever the cheapest thing is your stomach can handle)
BCAA's (if cutting)
Glutamine (if you have a high stress live and are prone to getting sick)
Creatine (it's cheap and has studies proving it works)
Diet pill of your choice (depends on what stimulant level you can handle)
Standard all in one vitamin.
I would add that you should take the Glutamine regardless of stress levels, etc.
EXCELLENT recommendation!
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Since BCAA's and glutamine are semi close in cost, if cutting, I'd spend money on bcaa's prior to spending it on gluatmine if funds are limited. I mix my bcaa's with EAA's during workout. I workout 5 days a week and I use 2 scoops of Primal EAA. So a container last me over 2 months. Mixing green apple xtend and primal eaa is a great mix. I'm getting ready to try a megadose program and change my training up. Going to see if I can stay lean and put on some size.
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Since BCAA's and glutamine are semi close in cost, if cutting, I'd spend money on bcaa's prior to spending it on gluatmine if funds are limited. I mix my bcaa's with EAA's during workout. I workout 5 days a week and I use 2 scoops of Primal EAA. So a container last me over 2 months. Mixing green apple xtend and primal eaa is a great mix. I'm getting ready to try a megadose program and change my training up. Going to see if I can stay lean and put on some size.
Cool what's the best pre-cardio stack if you're doing it in the morn on empty stomach? WHat should I NOT take prior, besides carbs.
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Cool what's the best pre-cardio stack if you're doing it in the morn on empty stomach? WHat should I NOT take prior, besides carbs.
Try my Rapid Thermal http://www.4ppn.com/Compare.php (http://www.4ppn.com/Compare.php)
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BCAA's, I can't preach this enough. If you're in a catabolic state, there is NOTHING on the market you can take that will be more effective at perserving muscle than BCAA's. It's not a matter of losing fat as much as NOT losing muscle.
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Me, no. I don't care about getting big. I'm naturally a thin guy. For me hanging around 170 at 7% or so is fine. I have used some preworkout stuff, Primal N20. I think most pre-workout products have to many stims in them, well above normal levels. A very popular pre-workout drink, has 500+mg of caffeine per serving. Just stupid.
So it's not that I see anything wrong with them, but I personally don't use them. Most of the pro hormone products out now are simply misbranded drugs. The people that make the stuff don't know what they're selling because they don't test it. That or they know and just ignore it. In my opinion, these types of people will be the people that will lead us to massive regulation via the FDA/DEA
I find your views kind of ironic since you make a living selling or have sold that dangerous garbage to people - mostly kids. Whatever you have to do to put food on the table though. I've used your website multiple times though for ON protein and was very happy :)
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I find your views kind of ironic since you make a living selling or have sold that dangerous garbage to people - mostly kids. Whatever you have to do to put food on the table though. I've used your website multiple times though for ON protein and was very happy
I sold 1fast40 and bulknutrition last june. I don't own them anymore. I sold items that were legal at the time they were legal. If I didn't sell them, then they would have just bought them somewhere else. There are products being sold now under the guise of legal supplements, when they are drugs. There is a big difference.
I started out with this idealistic mentality, but bills had to get paid. Most people never knew that I didn't sell muscletech on my site for over 18 months simply because I didn't like how they advertised. At the end of the day you're running a business and you just try to do as much good as possible. If you search internet postings from years ago, you'll see my supplement stance has always been the same, minimal.
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Which products are being sold under the guise of legal supplements, that are actually drugs?
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Here's Mine:
Fish Oils - Handful a day
Green Multi Vitamin - One a day
Protein Blend - Usually once or twice a day
Aminos and Liver Tabs - 4 each with each meal, Sometimes up to 8 liver tabs with each meal
Creatine Mono - 5-10 grams a day
This is just the stuff I use everyday, I have a few things I like to cycle in here and there and of course post workout.
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Which products are being sold under the guise of legal supplements, that are actually drugs?
Superdrol and a few of the other post-ban pro-hormones.
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I sold 1fast40 and bulknutrition last june. I don't own them anymore. I sold items that were legal at the time they were legal. If I didn't sell them, then they would have just bought them somewhere else. There are products being sold now under the guise of legal supplements, when they are drugs. There is a big difference.
I started out with this idealistic mentality, but bills had to get paid. Most people never knew that I didn't sell muscletech on my site for over 18 months simply because I didn't like how they advertised. At the end of the day you're running a business and you just try to do as much good as possible. If you search internet postings from years ago, you'll see my supplement stance has always been the same, minimal.
You yourself stated that what's legal now is misbranded/untested/dangerous drugs. If you sold that to people that puts you in the same category as the manufacturer and other distributors. Don't rationalize or downplay it. You did it plain and simple so don't knock others or those products now
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excellent advice on this thread!
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You yourself stated that what's legal now is misbranded/untested/dangerous drugs. If you sold that to people that puts you in the same category as the manufacturer and other distributors. Don't rationalize or downplay it. You did it plain and simple so don't knock others or those products now
"Gets crayons out"
1-Test, 4AD and things of this sort were LEGAL when I sold them. The products were CLEARLY marked as to what they are. There are products being sold now as pro hormones that are actually oral TREN. There is a VERY big difference between the two. People knew they were taking strong products pre ban. Now people are taking products they think will just increase their test levels or help them out a little bit. When in reality they are REAL drugs that will cause suppresion and the handfull of fun sides that come with that.
If you don't understand the difference I suggest going to amazon.com and finding a book on reading comprehension.
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"Gets crayons out"
1-Test, 4AD and things of this sort were LEGAL when I sold them. The products were CLEARLY marked as to what they are. There are products being sold now as pro hormones that are actually oral TREN. There is a VERY big difference between the two. People knew they were taking strong products pre ban. Now people are taking products they think will just increase their test levels or help them out a little bit. When in reality they are REAL drugs that will cause suppresion and the handfull of fun sides that come with that.
If you don't understand the difference I suggest going to amazon.com and finding a book on reading comprehension.
I'll work on my reading skills as soon as you stop being hypocritical for a buck. Pre ban drugs are safe? If you know they're going to be banned, you know what they consist of more or less. Don't split hairs.
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Jesus you are dense. There is a difference in KNOWINGLY taking something that causes potential side effects vs taking something you THINK is natural and it's really a steroid due to being mislabeled. If you don't understand that basic concept, go back to 3rd grade.
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Superdrol and a few of the other post-ban pro-hormones.
Stay the fuck away from superdrol, it's horrid.
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Jesus you are dense. There is a difference in KNOWINGLY taking something that causes potential side effects vs taking something you THINK is natural and it's really a steroid due to being mislabeled. If you don't understand that basic concept, go back to 3rd grade.
Don't let people like him get to you, I appreciate your taking time to answer questions on here, sure a few other people do too. Your name is recognized and respected in the industry to be sure.
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So it's not that I see anything wrong with them, but I personally don't use them. Most of the pro hormone products out now are simply misbranded drugs. The people that make the stuff don't know what they're selling because they don't test it. That or they know and just ignore it. In my opinion, these types of people will be the people that will lead us to massive regulation via the FDA/DEA
Hey man, isn't that what the new label law is supposed to take care of? Seems like it was written directly to the pro-hormone industry. I believe it just took effect.
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There are a lot of small shit bag companies that are ruining everything in this industry. It doesn't matter what the law is if it isn't enforced. When companies are caught (one was caught not long ago) it's brushed under the rug and someone else pops up to take their place. There are no checks and balances in our industry. Customers demand drugs over the counter. For 5-6 years customers have had the luxury of throwing away knowledge on dieting and training because drugs have been available to them OTC. Customers don't want to go back to actually dieting and training correctly to gain muscle. I don't see things changing anytime soon.
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I'll work on my reading skills as soon as you stop being hypocritical for a buck. Pre ban drugs are safe? If you know they're going to be banned, you know what they consist of more or less. Don't split hairs.
Yeah actually, they were,
Easy example - Pre ban - 4-ad: sold when info was also available on its conversion % to testosterone, mechanism of actions, etc.
Post ban - Methoxy TST: 17b-Methoxy-Trienosterone - no one, including the company, could give a straight answer on what it really was. People assumed it was similar to something like 4-ad, but no one really knew and the fact that the company manufacturing it never really addressed customer questions spoke volumes
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Yeah actually, they were,
Easy example - Pre ban - 4-ad: sold when info was also available on its conversion % to testosterone, mechanism of actions, etc.
Post ban - Methoxy TST: 17b-Methoxy-Trienosterone - no one, including the company, could give a straight answer on what it really was. People assumed it was similar to something like 4-ad, but no one really knew and the fact that the company manufacturing it never really addressed customer questions spoke volumes
Yup, that's where we are at today. A bunch of clones and knockoffs of the old pro-hormones that not even the companies who are putting them out know exactly what these compounds are doing, pretty seedy shit if you ask me.
Personally, I have absolutely no problem with pro-steroids/pro-hormones being sold OTC. It's when these bullshit supp companies try and pass off all natural test boosters with these pro-hormone compounds in them. Some poor kid gets his hands on that stuff without knowing what it really is and screws his body up for life.
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I'm not into internet squabbles. My point was that the public may not have known the difference, but the poster did or so I thought based upon his wording. It's no biggie and I really don't give a shit one way or another. There's been a long history of things being banned. First you could buy them anywhere and then it's an illegal steroid. It's the same compound. Perhaps we were talking about different things
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I don't even know if you were talking to me, I was just rambling on and going off on rant tangent =)
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Stay the fuck away from superdrol, it's horrid
What do you mean by horrid? Side effects?
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Stay the fuck away from superdrol, it's horrid
What do you mean by horrid? Side effects?
Liver toxicity BAD, complete test shut down, limp dick....sound appealing?
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Liver toxicity BAD, complete test shut down, limp dick....sound appealing?
Yeah and they happen instantly. I looked and felt like shit.
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Crazy guess its diffrent for everyone did 4 or 5 cycles with little to no side effects. Well not any that clomi and Nolva couldn't fix.
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Whey (whatever the cheapest thing is your stomach can handle)
BCAA's (if cutting)
Glutamine (if you have a high stress live and are prone to getting sick)
Creatine (it's cheap and has studies proving it works)
Diet pill of your choice (depends on what stimulant level you can handle)
Standard all in one vitamin.
That is what I take + powder gatorade
Fiber supplement
Fish Oil, and Flax seed on and off
Keep it simple, and buy what you feel is affordable.