Low dose anadrol 25mg (and longer use)

[MarvinEderFan]

What is the deal about Oral AAS and affecting HDL / cholesterol?

I've read it several times

Are orals worse than injects for artery hardening, arteriosclerosis?

[benchmstr]

Orals are worse than anything..you rarely feel like shit on injectables..you usually feel like shit on orals.

Kinda like poison with a side effect of muscle growth

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[a_pupil]

I have an extreme noticeable endurance gain with L-carnitine, and my free test is substantially higher when I use it.

The metformin I take for health reasons above all else. The anti cancer benefits are too hard to ignore for how cheap it is.

Same with cialis..I take 5mg a day and never had ED problems..but a 40%-60% decrease in all cardiac events is hard to ignore for such a cheap drug.

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You noticed much performance wise from Cialis?

That's interesting.

[OlympiaGym]

Metformin wrecks most people’s guts.

[joswift]

Metformin wrecks most people’s guts.

Berberine works just as well

[benchmstr]

You noticed much performance wise from Cialis?

That's interesting.

It’s the best preworkout

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[benchmstr]

Berberine works just as well

Because they are either taking too much, or taking it at the wrong time.

Simply take 500mg before bed and it works for 24 hours..you take it in the morning with stimulants and of course things can happen..

And berberin works great..for like 3 months at a time..then you go right back to being insulin resistant and it doesn’t have the same anti cancer benefits

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[stallonanegger]

Because they are either taking too much, or taking it at the wrong time.

Simply take 500mg before bed and it works for 24 hours..you take it in the morning with stimulants and of course things can happen..

And berberin works great..for like 3 months at a time..then you go right back to being insulin resistant and it doesn’t have the same anti cancer benefits

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What about the lawsuits of metformin causing type 2 to become type 1 ? Its still on going...then they suddenly release "studies" showing it extends life.in rats and start pushing as antiaging drug...I wouldnt touch metformin , just use insulin.

[stallonanegger]

Amd before you say metformin doesnt cause type 2 to become type 1 , of the two people I know who were type 2 on metformin both became type1 and are on insulin now.

[dj181]

Orals are worse than anything..you rarely feel like shit on injectables..you usually feel like shit on orals.

Kinda like poison with a side effect of muscle growth

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mast and primo yes

tren not so much

[ProudVirgin69]

4.5K for a 100 Anadrol? Can that quote even be correct? Lol.

I see you are unfamiliar w American for-profit healthcare 

[falco]

Orals are worse than anything..you rarely feel like shit on injectables..you usually feel like shit on orals.

Kinda like poison with a side effect of muscle growth

Bench

Agree 100%.

[benchmstr]

What about the lawsuits of metformin causing type 2 to become type 1 ? Its still on going...then they suddenly release "studies" showing it extends life.in rats and start pushing as antiaging drug...I wouldnt touch metformin , just use insulin.

Well, your using know diabetics as a reference to what your saying..I don’t know of a single diabetic who actually manages their condition..there’s a lot more to it than that.

Nothing wrong with using insulin either..I just don’t anymore

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[benchmstr]

mast and primo yes

tren not so much

I always tell people to not use tren..but I love that shit..I don’t really have side effects on it..except the constant boners and night sweats

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[stallonanegger]

Well, your using know diabetics as a reference to what your saying..I don’t know of a single diabetic who actually manages their condition..there’s a lot more to it than that.

Nothing wrong with using insulin either..I just don’t anymore

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Well yeah the meds are actually designed to "help" them and were made for them. Both the people I know werent even overweight or retarded with food. Worked out etc. And in the lawsuit its thousands of people this drug has turned from type 2 to type 1 which for big pharma is obviously a major plus as insulin is more expensive than metformin and now these people need a hormone for the rest of their lives.

[Van_Bilderass]

Personally I feel great on orals, even very high dosages, EXCEPT for the massive heartburn that ruins everything. Injectable, if doing high dose, just make me feel bogged down and overloaded or "toxic" over time. My theory on that is that they build up in the system, whereas with orals, overnight you are at "zero" again lol.
Orals affect HDL very negatively as was said here, it has something to do with the liver. They can be done, by some, without totally tanking HDL, dependscon dose, compound etc. However, injectables can also reduce HDL drastically. And as dj said, some of it has to do with estrogen, so now many bodybuilders do little, some even no, aromatase inhibitors and are worried all their years on AIs may have done damage.

Regarding metformin turning Type 2 to Type 1, never read about that at all, but would like to if someone linked me. One possible mechanism that immediately pops into mind if the patients had very poor glucose management DESPITE the MET, that would mean they destroyed their remaining working beta cells in their pancreas. In that case it would not be the MET that is to blame. This is why some practitioners have advocated to put a bad case of Type 2 immediately on insulin to get immediate control of the glucose. If then the patient loses a lot of weight, exercises and so on, he may be able to get off the insulin. High glucose is why bodybuilders on high GH get on metformin, but some find it's not enough and add for example Lantus at night so their nighttime and morning glucose stays in range. Now taking insulin can further hurt insulin sensitivity but it's way preferable than the alternative where you actually start damaging tissues, and the pancreas itself. SO, the insulin is actually protective. If and when you stop the GH you stop the insulin as well. That said, some bodybuiilders can use A LOT of insulin without getting resistant. High doses of basal insulin are bad for sensitivity over time e.g. Lantus, I'm talking of say 100iu plus every day, many do just 10-20iu to assist the pancreas.
One can do both MET and some insulin if he is very careful.

I don't like that my replies get so long, but I can't fit a full explanation into a sentence or two 

[joswift]

Personally I feel great on orals, even very high dosages, EXCEPT for the massive heartburn that ruins everything. Injectable, if doing high dose, just make me feel bogged down and overloaded or "toxic" over time. My theory on that is that they build up in the system, whereas with orals, overnight you are at "zero" again lol.
Orals affect HDL very negatively as was said here, it has something to do with the liver. They can be done, by some, without totally tanking HDL, dependscon dose, compound etc. However, injectables can also reduce HDL drastically. And as dj said, some of it has to do with estrogen, so now many bodybuilders do little, some even no, aromatase inhibitors and are worried all their years on AIs may have done damage.

Regarding metformin turning Type 2 to Type 1, never read about that at all, but would like to if someone linked me. One possible mechanism that immediately pops into mind if the patients had very poor glucose management even with the MET, that would mean they destroyed their remaining working beta cells in their pancreas. In that case it would not be the MET that is to blame. This is why some practitioners have advocated to put a bad case of Type 2 immediately on insulin to get immediate control of the glucose. If then the patient loses a lot of weight, exercises and so on, he may be able to get off the insulin. High glucose is why bodybuilders on high GH get on metformin, but some find it's not enough and add for example Lantus at night so their nighttime and morning glucose stays in range. Now taking insulin can further hurt insulin sensitivity but it's way preferable than the alternative where you actually start damaging tissues, and the pancreas itself. SO, the insulin is actually protective. If and when you stop the GH you stop the insulin as well. That said, some bodybuiilders can use A LOT of insulin without getting resistant. High doses of basal insulin are bad for sensitivity over time e.g. Lantus, I'm talking of say 100iu plus every day, many do just 10-20iu to assist the pancreas.

I don't like that my replies get so long, but I can't fit a full explanation into a sentence or two 

Please dont enter any drug tested events 

[dj181]

I always tell people to not use tren..but I love that shit..I don’t really have side effects on it..except the constant boners and night sweats

Bench

lucky you

[dj181]

Personally I feel great on orals, even very high dosages, EXCEPT for the massive heartburn that ruins everything. Injectable, if doing high dose, just make me feel bogged down and overloaded or "toxic" over time. My theory on that is that they build up in the system, whereas with orals, overnight you are at "zero" again lol.
Orals affect HDL very negatively as was said here, it has something to do with the liver. They can be done, by some, without totally tanking HDL, dependscon dose, compound etc. However, injectables can also reduce HDL drastically. And as dj said, some of it has to do with estrogen, so now many bodybuilders do little, some even no, aromatase inhibitors and are worried all their years on AIs may have done damage.

Regarding metformin turning Type 2 to Type 1, never read about that at all, but would like to if someone linked me. One possible mechanism that immediately pops into mind if the patients had very poor glucose management DESPITE the MET, that would mean they destroyed their remaining working beta cells in their pancreas. In that case it would not be the MET that is to blame. This is why some practitioners have advocated to put a bad case of Type 2 immediately on insulin to get immediate control of the glucose. If then the patient loses a lot of weight, exercises and so on, he may be able to get off the insulin. High glucose is why bodybuilders on high GH get on metformin, but some find it's not enough and add for example Lantus at night so their nighttime and morning glucose stays in range. Now taking insulin can further hurt insulin sensitivity but it's way preferable than the alternative where you actually start damaging tissues, and the pancreas itself. SO, the insulin is actually protective. If and when you stop the GH you stop the insulin as well. That said, some bodybuiilders can use A LOT of insulin without getting resistant. High doses of basal insulin are bad for sensitivity over time e.g. Lantus, I'm talking of say 100iu plus every day, many do just 10-20iu to assist the pancreas.
One can do both MET and some insulin if he is very careful.

I don't like that my replies get so long, but I can't fit a full explanation into a sentence or two 

i get worse heartburn from tren than i do any oral

i drank another half bottle of rum and like 4 beers and 2 jacks last weekend

not too wise on drol

but i don't think orals damage one as much as "they" say

but once again it all comes down to health genes

some just have better genes than others

[Van_Bilderass]

Please dont enter any drug tested events 

There was some MMA pro who tested positive for Turinabol, then after he came back after like a year, he tested positive again. I think they let the second test slide as it was possibble the earlier use was still in his system in sufficient quantities to test positive. I don't know if that actually was the case, or just that the tests are SO sensitive nowadays. But it's still true that levels drop to "effectively zero" from a drug efficiency standpoint, or else you wouldn't take them every day or even 2-3 times a day.

See this ad on the effective dosing interval compared to methyltest

[joswift]

There was some MMA pro who tested positive for Turinabol, then after he came back after like a year, he tested positive again. I think they let the second test slide as it was possibble the earlier use was still in his system in sufficient quantities to test positive. I don't know if that actually was the case, or just that the tests are SO sensitive nowadays. But it's still true that levels drop to "effectively zero" from a drug efficiency standpoint, or else you wouldn't take them every day or even 2-3 times a day.

See this ad on the effective dosing interval compared to methyltest

Drug tests are very rarely set at zero, there are cut off points
Rec drug tests still allow a small amount of opiate because eating poppy seeds can produce a positive test for opioids

[Van_Bilderass]

i get worse heartburn from tren than i do any oral

Yes I've noticed that too. If someone hasn't had bad heartburn, it can be totally debilitating. I took one 10mg dbol the other day and was miserable for more than 24 hours. Too bad cause I love dbol. Like I said, it's probably the ideal oral to run solo, you get some estrogen, it's very anabolic, great for mood for many, sunshine in a bottle lol, and it doesn't lower you sex drive like some lower androgenic like Anavar. I did a LOT of dbol only cycles when starting out. When you stop it's like you piss away all the gains in 2 weeks lol. But everything is temporary when you do any steroids.

[joswift]

i get worse heartburn from tren than i do any oral

spit rather than swallow...see how you go

[stallonanegger]

Personally I feel great on orals, even very high dosages, EXCEPT for the massive heartburn that ruins everything. Injectable, if doing high dose, just make me feel bogged down and overloaded or "toxic" over time. My theory on that is that they build up in the system, whereas with orals, overnight you are at "zero" again lol.
Orals affect HDL very negatively as was said here, it has something to do with the liver. They can be done, by some, without totally tanking HDL, dependscon dose, compound etc. However, injectables can also reduce HDL drastically. And as dj said, some of it has to do with estrogen, so now many bodybuilders do little, some even no, aromatase inhibitors and are worried all their years on AIs may have done damage.

Regarding metformin turning Type 2 to Type 1, never read about that at all, but would like to if someone linked me. One possible mechanism that immediately pops into mind if the patients had very poor glucose management DESPITE the MET, that would mean they destroyed their remaining working beta cells in their pancreas. In that case it would not be the MET that is to blame. This is why some practitioners have advocated to put a bad case of Type 2 immediately on insulin to get immediate control of the glucose. If then the patient loses a lot of weight, exercises and so on, he may be able to get off the insulin. High glucose is why bodybuilders on high GH get on metformin, but some find it's not enough and add for example Lantus at night so their nighttime and morning glucose stays in range. Now taking insulin can further hurt insulin sensitivity but it's way preferable than the alternative where you actually start damaging tissues, and the pancreas itself. SO, the insulin is actually protective. If and when you stop the GH you stop the insulin as well. That said, some bodybuiilders can use A LOT of insulin without getting resistant. High doses of basal insulin are bad for sensitivity over time e.g. Lantus, I'm talking of say 100iu plus every day, many do just 10-20iu to assist the pancreas.
One can do both MET and some insulin if he is very careful.

I don't like that my replies get so long, but I can't fit a full explanation into a sentence or two 

Bit odd as it seems to have been scrubbed from the net and replaced with newer lawsuits for kidney damage/ causing ckd and csusing cancer due to contaminated batches as the lawsuits im talking about were happening good 5 years ago atleast.

[IroNat]

spit rather than swallow...see how you go

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