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« Reply #600 on: December 23, 2015, 09:20:36 AM »
I stand corrected. That it was not inclusive of all the religions possibly represented in the hospital should have been the reason. Offensive.. only to the extent it excluded others..

No worries. 

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« Reply #601 on: December 23, 2015, 09:21:49 AM »
The hospital released an initial statement saying it had received a number of complaints about Ms. Holloway’s decorations being “overly religious and offensive.”

“Veterans entered the military to protect our freedoms, including the freedom to practice a religion of our choice,” the hospital said. “At VA, it is our duty to uphold and respect the honor and sacrifice of all Veterans, from all faiths and backgrounds.”

The South Texas Veterans Health Care System later told Fox News that officials meant to remove only the Nativity scene and that part of the train was damaged in the process.

“During the removal of a manger and specific scripture decoration, a Merry Christmas decoration was accidentally removed and damaged,” the VA said in a statement. “The remaining decorations were removed by the decoration donor and her representatives.”

The VA hospital said it has offered to reimburse Ms. Holloway for the damaged decorations, Fox News reported.

“We acknowledge that the corrective action should have been to display the faith-specific holiday decoration along with multiple religious faith symbols,” the statement read. “We are currently ensuring that our staff are educated and aware of the national policy and how it relates to decorations throughout the facility.”





Seems reasonable to me...

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« Reply #602 on: December 23, 2015, 09:23:06 AM »
And that's relevant to me because... why?


I consider the removal silly, but just because someone complained that it's "overly religious and offensive" doesn't mean that it was actually removed for being offensive.

You may also want to consider that there are a number of people who believe there's a "War on Christmas" so fervently that they feel obligated to wage the War themselves. I know one such Christian who actually calls to complain about such displays in an effort to prove a point that the War on Christmas is real when whoever she complains to tries to accomodate her bogus complaint. Not saying that's the case here, but this is a thing.


If you're not offended, then it isn't relevant to you.  Wasn't really directing the comments to you individually.  

There is a War on Christmas, but I only find it mildly irritating.  I know there is a thread on here somewhere about it, but I haven't updated it in a while.  Lots of Grinches who are simply incapable of enjoying the most wonderful time of the year.  

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« Reply #603 on: December 23, 2015, 09:24:20 AM »
The hospital released an initial statement saying it had received a number of complaints about Ms. Holloway’s decorations being “overly religious and offensive.”

“Veterans entered the military to protect our freedoms, including the freedom to practice a religion of our choice,” the hospital said. “At VA, it is our duty to uphold and respect the honor and sacrifice of all Veterans, from all faiths and backgrounds.”

The South Texas Veterans Health Care System later told Fox News that officials meant to remove only the Nativity scene and that part of the train was damaged in the process.

“During the removal of a manger and specific scripture decoration, a Merry Christmas decoration was accidentally removed and damaged,” the VA said in a statement. “The remaining decorations were removed by the decoration donor and her representatives.”

The VA hospital said it has offered to reimburse Ms. Holloway for the damaged decorations, Fox News reported.

“We acknowledge that the corrective action should have been to display the faith-specific holiday decoration along with multiple religious faith symbols,” the statement read. “We are currently ensuring that our staff are educated and aware of the national policy and how it relates to decorations throughout the facility.”





Seems reasonable to me...

I think it's unreasonable to pull decorations that have been used for over 30 years because a handful of people find it offensive. 

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« Reply #604 on: December 23, 2015, 09:32:00 AM »
If you're not offended, then it isn't relevant to you.  Wasn't really directing the comments to you individually.

Oh, that's why you quoted my posted when replying... because you weren't directing the comments to me. ::)


There is a War on Christmas, but I only find it mildly irritating.

The only "War on Christmas" is the one that those who think there's a War on Christmas imagine.


Lots of Grinches who are simply incapable of enjoying the most wonderful time of the year.

There's nothing wrong with not being interested in enjoying the "most wonderful time of the year" for retailers.

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« Reply #605 on: December 23, 2015, 09:32:20 AM »
I think it's unreasonable to pull decorations that have been used for over 30 years because a handful of people find it offensive. 

I think as we evolve and better education is available to more people, it's just natural that things we thought were cool, upon reflection, may not be as cool as we thought. So I think as time goes on.. more and more people will find the government meddling in religion to be not such a good thing. But yeah.. I'm not to the point that I feel the need to whine about Christmas decorations depicting Jesus   

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« Reply #606 on: December 23, 2015, 09:32:58 AM »
I think it's unreasonable to pull decorations that have been used for over 30 years because a handful of people find it offensive. 

And some might find it offensive that 30 year old decorations are still being used... ;D

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« Reply #607 on: December 23, 2015, 09:33:50 AM »
And some might find it offensive that 30 year old decorations are still being used... ;D

good point

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« Reply #608 on: December 23, 2015, 09:44:31 AM »
Oh, that's why you quoted my posted when replying... because you weren't directing the comments to me. ::)


The only "War on Christmas" is the one that those who think there's a War on Christmas imagine.


There's nothing wrong with not being interested in enjoying the "most wonderful time of the year" for retailers.

Like I said, it wasn't really directed to you individually. 

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« Reply #609 on: December 23, 2015, 09:46:09 AM »
I think as we evolve and better education is available to more people, it's just natural that things we thought were cool, upon reflection, may not be as cool as we thought. So I think as time goes on.. more and more people will find the government meddling in religion to be not such a good thing. But yeah.. I'm not to the point that I feel the need to whine about Christmas decorations depicting Jesus   

I don't think we should evolve to the point where we degrade the First Amendment.  The First Amendment is actually designed to protect, not prohibit, things people find offensive.  In fact, that's primarily where it comes into play.  Nobody really complains about things they like. 

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« Reply #610 on: December 23, 2015, 09:46:37 AM »
And some might find it offensive that 30 year old decorations are still being used... ;D

Only if they are in bad taste.   :)

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« Reply #611 on: December 23, 2015, 09:49:40 AM »
Only if they are in bad taste.   :)

To be fair, most seasonal decorations are!

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« Reply #612 on: December 23, 2015, 09:50:49 AM »

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« Reply #613 on: December 23, 2015, 10:00:02 AM »
To be fair, most seasonal decorations are!

A lot of them are, although I like all of them.  This is a happy time, bad taste and all. 

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« Reply #614 on: December 23, 2015, 10:48:22 AM »
Or you can run around the country filing lawsuits whenever you see any kind of religious symbol on public property, claiming you have suffered emotional distress. 

unless it's muslim stuff on public property.   i think we apply different standards when it's a religion we dislike, right?

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« Reply #615 on: December 23, 2015, 11:06:59 AM »
unless it's muslim stuff on public property.   i think we apply different standards when it's a religion we dislike, right?

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« Reply #616 on: December 23, 2015, 12:51:47 PM »
Exactly.   Eye rolls means you don't have a valid argument.  

If you're at work in a public place, show up and do the job.  Decorate your car, home, but not public property, unless you're cool with Muslims, Buddhists, satanists and atheists decorating too. 

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« Reply #617 on: December 23, 2015, 12:58:40 PM »
 ::) ::) Eye roll reserved in large part for stupid comments.  You liberals are always pandering to Muslims for some strange reason.  The issue was a Christmas display and the words "Merry Christmas."  Had nothing to do with Islam. 

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« Reply #618 on: December 23, 2015, 01:19:19 PM »
It seems that while some people whine about "christian persecution", they have an issue with the Founding Fathers and the Bill or Rights. This display at the Texas Capitol was ordered to be removed by the Texas Governor because according to him, among other things, "the exhibit deliberately mocks Christians and Christianity".


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« Reply #619 on: December 23, 2015, 01:40:18 PM »
Christmas?  Poor Jesus.  Can't even have a holiday of his own.  He has to share it with a more popular fat white man that children love more and parents go out of their way to re enforce the existent of that myth.  Maybe Jesus should make appearances at malls and in parades then.

Easter is even worse.  He has to share it with a more popular rabbit that hides eggs in people's yards.

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« Reply #620 on: December 23, 2015, 02:56:26 PM »
Christmas?  Poor Jesus.  Can't even have a holiday of his own.  He has to share it with a more popular fat white man that children love more and parents go out of their way to re enforce the existent of that myth.  Maybe Jesus should make appearances at malls and in parades then.

Easter is even worse.  He has to share it with a more popular rabbit that hides eggs in people's yards.


Got to make it appealing to the masses

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« Reply #621 on: December 24, 2015, 12:07:10 PM »
Got to make it appealing to the masses

Yeah, you can't expect the country to want to celebrate a Middle Easter refugee's birthday.

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« Reply #622 on: December 24, 2015, 06:19:57 PM »
Kim Davis Reflects on Her Role in Same-sex Marriage Debate
Wednesday, 23 Dec 2015

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis, who spent five days in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, said she prayed for those who disagreed with her and feels the pace of social change has "awakened" Christians across the country.

In an interview with The Associated Press about her year at the center of one of the biggest social changes in decades, Davis described it as "a very emotional and a very real situation to all people." But she said simply telling others about her faith was not "going to make anybody believe anything." And so she put her faith in action by refusing to issue the licenses.

"No one would ever have remembered a county clerk that just said ... 'Even though I don't agree with it, it's OK. I'll do it,'" Davis said. "If I could be remembered for one thing, it's that I was not afraid to not compromise myself."

Davis spoke with The Associated Press on Tuesday morning. By that afternoon, Kentucky Republican Gov. Matt Bevin had issued an executive order removing the names of county clerks from marriage licenses — which Davis' lawyer described as a Christmas gift. The issue was one of the most prominent disagreements between Bevin and Democratic nominee Jack Conway in the November election.

Bevin spoke at a rally at the Graves County Detention Center on the day Davis was released from jail. But Davis said she did not think her actions handed the election to Bevin by galvanizing conservative voters across the state.

"I think he truly won on his own merit," Davis said. "I wouldn't take anything away from him."

The U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in June effectively legalized same-sex marriage across the country. But Davis stopped issuing all marriage licenses the day after the ruling, saying it would be a sin for her to license a same-sex couple.

Gay and straight couples sued her. A federal judge ordered Davis to issue the licenses, but she refused, citing "God's authority." U.S. District Judge David Bunning then put Davis in jail and ordered her deputy clerks to issue the licenses. The clerks did so, and Bunning released Davis after five days.

Her actions inspired praise and derision across the country as they tested the limits of the court's ruling. And they opened Davis up to criticism for her personal life, including the revelation that she had been married three times, which some said made her a hypocrite.

"How ironic that God would use a person like me, who failed so miserably at marriage in the world, to defend it now," Davis said Tuesday. "The Lord picks the unlikely source to convey the message."

Since her release from jail, Davis' office has issued altered marriage licenses that do not include her name or the name of the county. The American Civil Liberties Union has asked Bunning to order Davis to reissue the licenses, but Bunning has made no decision. For the couples that sued Davis, the case is not over.

"It makes me uncomfortable to hear people using God ... to justify their bigotry," said 39-year-old David Moore, who with now-husband David Ermold sued Davis in federal court. "I don't' see how that makes her a victim or a hero. She really just had a job to do, and she just needs to do her job."

Davis' days in the spotlight are not over, either. Next month, the Kentucky legislature is expected to update the state's marriage laws and will consider a provision exempting county clerks from having to issue them. Davis said Kentucky's marriage laws have been "completely eviscerated" by the Supreme Court's ruling and said she would be willing to come to the state Capitol to testify about any changes.

And in two years, Davis will be up for re-election in what is surely to be one of the most publicized county clerk races in decades. She said she did not know whether she would run for re-election, noting that "a lot of things could happen between now and then." A lifelong Democrat, Davis recently switched to the Republican party as the GOP continues to make historic gains across the state.

She dismissed the notion that she could run for higher office given her name recognition throughout the state.

"If I were a politician, I would probably jump on that and grab it and growl. But I'm not a politician," she said. "I very much enjoy my job."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/kim-davis-year-gay/2015/12/23/id/706996/#ixzz3vIMDmazt

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« Reply #623 on: December 24, 2015, 10:34:54 PM »
So she's basically saying it was all about her.

Well isn't that Christian of her.

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« Reply #624 on: December 24, 2015, 10:39:11 PM »
"A lifelong Democrat, Davis recently switched to the Republican party as the GOP continues to make historic gains across the state."

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