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Title: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 06:01:53 AM
its funny too i am sorrounded by welfare bums disability fakers and the  like.

one dude i know says "fuck learning man" im like dude one day your daddy isnt gonna pay to fix your truck for you and your disability is gonna be cut hes like "big deal i dont care" im like lol

most people dont realize you gotta spend money to make money, its not that 30 percent is high , ...it only becomes a high number after all the tools and materials that you have to buy to do the job right!
but an income tax for someone like me around 30 percent is insane if you consider all my expenses i have to literally be a super hero and do manual labors around the clock eating a shit ton of food, i have no choice to be beta and go on vacation
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: _aj_ on July 02, 2014, 06:08:07 AM
And another common man is mugged by reality and becomes a conservative.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 02, 2014, 06:08:49 AM
We pay 40% on every pound above 32k earnings, and 45% on anything above 150k

In Sweden anyone earning above 32k gets hit by 50 to 60% tax
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: agenda21nwo on July 02, 2014, 06:08:56 AM
expect higher taxes soon
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 02, 2014, 06:09:55 AM
expect higher taxes soon

Might as well have my employer pay my full salary directly into their account.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on July 02, 2014, 06:13:34 AM
We pay 40% on every pound above 32k earnings, and 45% on anything above 150k

In Sweden anyone earning above 32k gets hit by 50 to 60% tax
true about sweden. I pay 50% on 3/5 of my monthly salary and around 30 %  of the rest. Sucks ass to be punished just because you are willing to work hard
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: agenda21nwo on July 02, 2014, 06:14:24 AM
true about sweden. I pay 50% on 3/5 of my monthly salary and around 30 %  of the rest. Sucks ass to be punished just because you are willing to work hard

You have some nice Jewish leaders over there screwing you all over.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 06:14:47 AM
i know this bum and he was complaining they cut his foodstamps from 200 a month to 160 , kinda felt bad considering he sells drugs for a living
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: _aj_ on July 02, 2014, 06:15:08 AM
expect higher taxes soon

Expect loud noises and the smell of cordite soon.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on July 02, 2014, 06:16:55 AM
You have some nice Jewish leaders over there screwing you all over.
jupp and we pay almlst 2 euro/liter petrol
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 02, 2014, 06:18:11 AM
true about sweden. I pay 50% on 3/5 of my monthly salary and around 30 %  of the rest. Sucks ass to be punished just because you are willing to work hard

It's annoying, we have Nationa Insurance on top as well which takes away another few %...so all in all its a 50/50 deal. So I basically work for over two weeks every month of my life to pay the government....and they wonder why I have high BP and can't sleep

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Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 06:18:42 AM
you gotta be making atleast 68 thousand a year with NO buisness expenses to just stay afloat paying 30 percent income
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 02, 2014, 06:21:34 AM
Try France, people. If you run your own business (which I do), about 70% of what you make will go in taxes.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Mr Anabolic on July 02, 2014, 06:22:23 AM
You don't like getting taxed?... just stop working and retire at 45 like me.  

It really helps if you don't a wife, a child, a house payment, car payment, etc...  Completely ignore societal pressures/stigmas and draw your own lines in the sand.

When you minimize your expenses/debt, you maximize your freedom.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 06:25:42 AM
Try France, people. If you run your own business (which I do), about 70% of what you make will go in taxes.
:o :o
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: agenda21nwo on July 02, 2014, 06:26:31 AM
Try France, people. If you run your own business (which I do), about 70% of what you make will go in taxes.

Is it true your politicians are tax exempt?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 02, 2014, 06:26:58 AM
You don't like getting taxed?... just stop working and retire at 45 like me.  

It really helps if you don't a wife, a child, a house payment, car payment, etc...  Completely ignore societal pressures/stigmas and draw your own lines in the sand.

When you minimize your expenses/debt, you maximize your freedom.

How do you get by then?

The inability to go on holidays abroad kills me...I can do without the cars and expensive shit, but holidays and being far away in the sun is a necessity for me.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: TheShape. on July 02, 2014, 06:30:59 AM
It's fucking horrible NYS, especially when you're trying to go to college and pay rent.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 02, 2014, 06:31:57 AM
Is it true your politicians are tax exempt?

Not exactly. But they have special treatments, for example when it comes to retirement pensions. Also their income doesn't take into account the things that are put at their disposal (cars, drivers, travel expenses you don't hear from, apartments, etc...). There's a scandal about it every three months here. Just the tip of the iceberg though
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 06:32:49 AM
You don't like getting taxed?... just stop working and retire at 45 like me.  

It really helps if you don't a wife, a child, a house payment, car payment, etc...  Completely ignore societal pressures/stigmas and draw your own lines in the sand.

When you minimize your expenses/debt, you maximize your freedom.
if my tax rate goes up much higher there will be no point in working because the increase in job materials will kill my profit margin

the only way you can be succesful working is if you are with a  company where you have next to zero buisness expenses

if someones paying 700 a month rent and 700 for food and car expeses . thats already 350 bucks a week out of your damn pay check lol alot of people dont even bring home a 350 dollar a week pay check, imagine if they had buisness expenses they would be deep in the red, land of the free
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 06:35:11 AM
all of us getbiggers need to retire young in a beachfront property in florida or south carolina, i will help build a massive house  right on the shoreline we can watch hoes all day long and jack off on the balcony!
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: _aj_ on July 02, 2014, 06:38:02 AM
all of us getbiggers need to retire young in a beachfront property in florida or south carolina, i will help build a massive house  right on the shoreline we can watch hoes all day long and jack off on the balcony!

When the EBT cards stop working, Florida will go up in flames with a 100% white mortality inside of 3 weeks. No thanks. I will take the woods in the northeast. Frozen Hebrews are easy to hunt down.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 02, 2014, 06:39:40 AM
its funny too i am sorrounded by welfare bums disability fakers and the  like.

one dude i know says "fuck learning man" im like dude one day your daddy isnt gonna pay to fix your truck for you and your disability is gonna be cut hes like "big deal i dont care" im like lol

most people dont realize you gotta spend money to make money, its not that 30 percent is high , ...it only becomes a high number after all the tools and materials that you have to buy to do the job right!
but an income tax for someone like me around 30 percent is insane if you consider all my expenses i have to literally be a super hero and do manual labors around the clock eating a shit ton of food, i have no choice to be beta and go on vacation

You are only paying 30%? I guess you're in the low income bracket if you live in the US. I live in NJ where I pay state income tax too. I also pay 9K for my house taxes. If I buy anything I pay 7% in taxes. Gasoline is taxed at a crazy amount. Then all the people who are rushing to get on disability social security since Obama took office can't understand why workers are getting disgusted. For you liberals who ignorantly think the government money issue can be solved by taxing the rich are misled. There isn't enough rich people to make a dent in the out of control spending that the Republicans want to stop.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: YngiweRhoads on July 02, 2014, 06:41:20 AM
Government can keep the peace and fix the roads. After that they need to stfu.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 06:42:59 AM
When the EBT cards stop working, Florida will go up in flames with a 100% white mortality inside of 3 weeks. No thanks. I will take the woods in the northeast. Frozen Hebrews are easy to hunt down.
well you will still be welcome, i prefer working odd jobs while retired and jacking off in the ocean or on the balcony at 18 year old fine ass hoes massaging oil up there ass on the beach
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Quickerblade on July 02, 2014, 06:46:02 AM
well you will still be welcome, i prefer working odd jobs while retired and jacking off in the ocean or on the balcony at 18 year old fine ass hoes massaging oil up there ass on the beach

I will bring Cswole
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 02, 2014, 06:47:00 AM
In before a liberal from a Scandinavian country comes in to say how great everything is in their country because of high taxes.  
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: agenda21nwo on July 02, 2014, 06:50:05 AM
In before a liberal welfare recipient from a Scandinavian country comes in to say how great everything is in their country because of high taxes.  

fixed
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: HonestBob on July 02, 2014, 07:00:59 AM
If you are a middle earner then Scandinavian countries are great.  If you are a wealth generator / business builder then much less so.

I always see a high level of delusion from some people who think they are in a better position than they really are. 

Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Simple Simon on July 02, 2014, 07:29:05 AM
It's annoying, we have Nationa Insurance on top as well which takes away another few %...so all in all its a 50/50 deal. So I basically work for over two weeks every month of my life to pay the government....and they wonder why I have high BP and can't sleep

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3qa24KYZC1r9al9a.jpg)

If you accept thats the way it is and dont worry about it you will sleep better.
I find the more you worry about money the less you seem to have.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 02, 2014, 07:38:01 AM
If you accept thats the way it is and dont worry about it you will sleep better.
I find the more you worry about money the less you seem to have.

Yes but sometimes when I go to my local Rolex dealer, and he presents me with a GMT II half gold piece for 8k that I came in for and, then shows me a beautiful rose gold Day Date II with a black ceramic dial for 30k and I think to myself I can't afford it cos of all the poor people stealing my pay day, I am subsidising for their lack of drive and ambition in life.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Tapeworm on July 02, 2014, 08:07:35 AM
Half the world is working 100x harder just to keep alive in some corrugated tin shack.  Do your job and pay your taxes.  We have no idea how lucky we are.


Some major BS in this thread too.  Deductions are a thing which exist.  Also, post your tax thresholds.  You understand that not all your income tax is assessed at the top rate, right?  :-\

As if Falconne isn't working 4/5 jobs taco style.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Alpine on July 02, 2014, 08:10:11 AM
its funny too i am sorrounded by welfare bums disability fakers and the  like.

one dude i know says "fuck learning man" im like dude one day your daddy isnt gonna pay to fix your truck for you and your disability is gonna be cut hes like "big deal i dont care" im like lol

most people dont realize you gotta spend money to make money, its not that 30 percent is high , ...it only becomes a high number after all the tools and materials that you have to buy to do the job right!
but an income tax for someone like me around 30 percent is insane if you consider all my expenses i have to literally be a super hero and do manual labors around the clock eating a shit ton of food, i have no choice to be beta and go on vacation

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Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: dr.chimps on July 02, 2014, 08:10:31 AM
And another common man is mugged by reality and becomes a conservative.
*YAWN* Isn't rather a tired cliche?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: tleilaxutank on July 02, 2014, 08:18:19 AM
What a combo of broke ass crybabies and greedy fuckers over here...

I am in the top tax bracket, live in one of the more expensive states in the country and pay buttloads of capital gains both short and long term. It's a great life and you'll never hear me complain once about it. It's a mistake to look at what you spend it taxes and assume the you could get that extra money if only your taxes were lower. Most of you are too stupid to grasp the concepts behind that fact so I won't bother explaining.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: dr.chimps on July 02, 2014, 08:20:19 AM
What a combo of broke ass crybabies and greedy fuckers over here...

I am in the top tax bracket, live in one of the more expensive states in the country and pay buttloads of capital gains both short and long term. It's a great life and you'll never hear me complain once about it. It's a mistake to look at what you spend it taxes and assume the you could get that extra money if only your taxes were lower. Most of you are too stupid to grasp the concepts behind that fact so I won't bother explaining.
But, but...being satisfied in/with life gets no righteous indignation Getbig clickey-bait.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: _aj_ on July 02, 2014, 08:23:48 AM
*YAWN* Isn't rather a tired cliche?

More tired than the other posts by Falcon? No, it's positively inspired by comparison.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Mr Anabolic on July 02, 2014, 08:38:01 AM
How do you get by then?

The inability to go on holidays abroad kills me...I can do without the cars and expensive shit, but holidays and being far away in the sun is a necessity for me.

Saved 60% of my earnings since I was a teen.  I invested at the right time, got out at the right time.  I always kept my expenses very low.  I was never married and never had kids... those 2 things will literally suck you dry.  I've gone on a few vacations here and there, but nothing extravagant or exorbitant.  If social security is still around when I become eligible (I'm not counting on it), that will be my fun/play money.

Most people are destined to be serfs and wage/debt slaves.  That is one of the main reasons why TPTB are able to maintain control over society.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: deceiver on July 02, 2014, 08:38:32 AM
Half the world is working 100x harder just to keep alive in some corrugated tin shack.  Do your job and pay your taxes.  We have no idea how lucky we are.


Some major BS in this thread too.  Deductions are a thing which exist.  Also, post your tax thresholds.  You understand that not all your income tax is assessed at the top rate, right?  :-\

As if Falconne isn't working 4/5 jobs taco style.

99.5% of the world is not smart enough to do my job so who gives a damn about how hard they work?

Progressive tax is utter BS. Also, OP needs to read more about it since something tells me he doesn't have a clue how much tax he really pays, lol.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Tapeworm on July 02, 2014, 08:43:50 AM
99.5% of the world is not smart enough to do my job so who gives a damn about how hard they work?

Hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to feel special, snowflake.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: tleilaxutank on July 02, 2014, 08:44:57 AM
99.5% of the world is not smart enough to do my job so who gives a damn about how hard they work?

Progressive tax is utter BS. Also, OP needs to read more about it since something tells me he doesn't have a clue how much tax he really pays, lol.

How'd you get so smart? Is that just the way God made you?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Alpine on July 02, 2014, 08:52:21 AM
What a combo of broke ass crybabies and greedy fuckers over here...

I am in the top tax bracket, live in one of the more expensive states in the country and pay buttloads of capital gains both short and long term. It's a great life and you'll never hear me complain once about it. It's a mistake to look at what you spend it taxes and assume the you could get that extra money if only your taxes were lower. Most of you are too stupid to grasp the concepts behind that fact so I won't bother explaining.

100% accurate. This is why I didnt bother. Most of the people posting here have no idea what its like to shell out huge amounts of taxes and stay true to their liberal ideals. LOL. I have friends who were liberal minded in college and once they started making money in their career and paying serious taxes, they quickly converted to conservative / Republican ideals when it came to fiscal issues and ideology. They simply didn't like paying taxes to perceived "freeloaders of society." You can NOT let your self interest / self preservation (i.e. your own pocket book) guide your ideology when it comes to the good of a nation and the good of the people as a whole. That is a fundamental problem with out country today. You may be at the top of the pile and pay tons in taxes, but relatively speaking, the others still live like dogs in comparison to someone at the top. Whining about how much you pay in taxes is fucking ridiculous. Nobody likes taxes but they are a necessarily reality in an advanced society. The strong carry the weak in ANY modern civilized republic. This is the way it has worked since Rome. You just have to decide which one you are? The strong carrying society, or the weak, whiner on the sideline crying about the "system." 
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: WalterWhite on July 02, 2014, 08:54:14 AM
its funny too i am sorrounded by welfare bums disability fakers and the  like.

one dude i know says "fuck learning man" im like dude one day your daddy isnt gonna pay to fix your truck for you and your disability is gonna be cut hes like "big deal i dont care" im like lol

most people dont realize you gotta spend money to make money, its not that 30 percent is high , ...it only becomes a high number after all the tools and materials that you have to buy to do the job right!
but an income tax for someone like me around 30 percent is insane if you consider all my expenses i have to literally be a super hero and do manual labors around the clock eating a shit ton of food, i have no choice to be beta and go on vacation

It's only 30% if you don't take all your write offs.  All your expenses should be written off.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Gonuclear on July 02, 2014, 08:58:33 AM
its funny too i am sorrounded by welfare bums disability fakers and the  like.

one dude i know says "fuck learning man" im like dude one day your daddy isnt gonna pay to fix your truck for you and your disability is gonna be cut hes like "big deal i dont care" im like lol

most people dont realize you gotta spend money to make money, its not that 30 percent is high , ...it only becomes a high number after all the tools and materials that you have to buy to do the job right!
but an income tax for someone like me around 30 percent is insane if you consider all my expenses i have to literally be a super hero and do manual labors around the clock eating a shit ton of food, i have no choice to be beta and go on vacation

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Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Voice of Doom on July 02, 2014, 09:00:10 AM
Taxation is theft - Josiah Warren

Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 02, 2014, 09:03:34 AM
100% accurate. This is why I didnt bother. Most of the people posting here have no idea what its like to shell out huge amounts of taxes and stay true to their liberal ideals. LOL. I have friends who were liberal minded in college and once they started making money in their career and paying serious taxes, they quickly converted to conservative / Republican ideals when it came to fiscal issues and ideology. They simply didn't like paying taxes to perceived "freeloaders of society." You can NOT let your self interest / self preservation (i.e. your own pocket book) guide your ideology when it comes to the good of a nation and the good of the people as a whole. That is a fundamental problem with out country today. You may be at the top of the pile and pay tons in taxes, but relatively speaking, the others still live like dogs in comparison to someone at the top. Whining about how much you pay in taxes is fucking ridiculous. Nobody likes taxes but they are a necessarily reality in an advanced society. The strong carry the weak lazy in ANY modern civilized republic. This is the way it has worked since Rome. You just have to decide which one you are? The strong carrying society, or the weak, whiner on the sideline crying about the "system."  

Did you know that Rome collapsed due to economic woes, military overspending and political instability?

If you don't know much about history don't pluck names out of the air to strengthen your weak argument via collapse economies.

The overly generous welfare system has created a class of "can't be bothered to do shit" fact, this is what the tax payer moans about.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Tapeworm on July 02, 2014, 09:09:54 AM
Whoa there, Gibbon.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: tleilaxutank on July 02, 2014, 10:20:42 AM
Did you know that Rome collapsed due to economic woes, military overspending and political instability?

If you don't know much about history don't pluck names out of the air to strengthen your weak argument via collapse economies.

The overly generous welfare system has created a class of "can't be bothered to do shit" fact, this is what the tax payer moans about.

Did you learn that from watching Rome on HBO or Gladiator?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 02, 2014, 10:58:12 AM
Did you learn that from watching Rome on HBO or Gladiator?

I don't watch TV
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: tleilaxutank on July 02, 2014, 11:12:52 AM
I don't watch TV

You should consider it; you might learn something.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: delta9mda on July 02, 2014, 11:23:19 AM
And another common man is mugged by reality and becomes a conservative.

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Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Voice of Doom on July 02, 2014, 11:26:44 AM
If the current tax system is "necessary to sustain civilization" then I'd like to redefine the concept of "civilization". 

If having freeloaders on one corner, corporate welfare on the other, and an out of control Military Industrial Complex sucking up the rest of the tax pool is the definition of civilization I'd rather let it crumble. 
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: ChopperRider on July 02, 2014, 11:39:56 AM
If the current tax system is "necessary to sustain civilization" then I'd like to redefine the concept of "civilization". 

If having freeloaders on one corner, corporate welfare on the other, and an out of control Military Industrial Complex sucking up the rest of the tax pool is the definition of civilization I'd rather let it crumble. 

You and me brutha......I'm sure I'm funding a lot of "baby mommas" and Obama-blind "Occupy Wall Streeters" with my taxes.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Mr. MB on July 02, 2014, 11:59:30 AM
The politician who promises the most free stuff to the masses gets elected. When the scale tips and 51% of the people are being supported by the 49% of the Federal tax payers, democracy as we know it is but history. It was a "grand experiment" anyway. We are heading towards an Oligarchy headed by socialists in bed with corporatist/miltary complexers.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Alpine on July 02, 2014, 12:10:06 PM
Did you know that Rome collapsed due to economic woes, military overspending and political instability?

If you don't know much about history don't pluck names out of the air to strengthen your weak argument via collapse economies.

The overly generous welfare system has created a class of "can't be bothered to do shit" fact, this is what the tax payer moans about.

The same issues that plagued Rome plague us now. I think this empire will someday fall as well. Its all cyclical.

If the current tax system is "necessary to sustain civilization" then I'd like to redefine the concept of "civilization".  

If having freeloaders on one corner, corporate welfare on the other, and an out of control Military Industrial Complex sucking up the rest of the tax pool is the definition of civilization I'd rather let it crumble.  

The current system is definitely flawed and rotten from the core. I don't deny that. My only point is very simple. In any complex society/civilization, the strong will always end up supporting the weak. You're not escaping that. You just have to decide which side you want to be on. On top of the pile, paying high taxes, or a bottom feeder whining about the system and your lot in life. Are you a wolf or a lamb?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Henda on July 02, 2014, 12:45:36 PM
We pay 40% on every pound above 32k earnings, and 45% on anything above 150k

In Sweden anyone earning above 32k gets hit by 50 to 60% tax

Its 32 grand now? Fuck when did it drop from 42?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Mawse on July 02, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
true about sweden. I pay 50% on 3/5 of my monthly salary and around 30 %  of the rest. Sucks ass to be punished just because you are willing to work hard

Wait until you're paying Jizya


Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Parker on July 02, 2014, 12:58:13 PM
If the current tax system is "necessary to sustain civilization" then I'd like to redefine the concept of "civilization". 

If having freeloaders on one corner, corporate welfare on the other, and an out of control Military Industrial Complex sucking up the rest of the tax pool is the definition of civilization I'd rather let it crumble. 
Let the congregation say "Amen".
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 02, 2014, 01:10:30 PM
Its 32 grand now? Fuck when did it drop from 42?

When they talk abt tax breaks they go and lower the 40% threshold.

I don't remember it being in the 40s last time I checked it was over 33k....now its under  ::)
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: ilalin on July 02, 2014, 01:13:42 PM
its funny too i am sorrounded by welfare bums disability fakers and the  like.

one dude i know says "fuck learning man" im like dude one day your daddy isnt gonna pay to fix your truck for you and your disability is gonna be cut hes like "big deal i dont care" im like lol

most people dont realize you gotta spend money to make money, its not that 30 percent is high , ...it only becomes a high number after all the tools and materials that you have to buy to do the job right!
but an income tax for someone like me around 30 percent is insane if you consider all my expenses i have to literally be a super hero and do manual labors around the clock eating a shit ton of food, i have no choice to be beta and go on vacation

anyone who uses the word beta deserves to be beta
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Henda on July 02, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
When they talk abt tax breaks they go and lower the 40% threshold.

I don't remember it being in the 40s last time I checked it was over 33k....now its under  ::)

My bad was thinking the 32k + the 10k personal allowance.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: syntaxmachine on July 02, 2014, 03:18:54 PM
Falcon would have to make ~$494K in regular income to have an effective income tax rate of 30%, assuming he took the standard deduction/exemption.

I'll let others decide whether he is really making this much, or if his absolutely addled brain is causing him to spout nigh incoherent twaddle yet again.  ::)
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: tleilaxutank on July 02, 2014, 03:57:42 PM
Falcon would have to make ~$494K in regular income to have an effective income tax rate of 30%, assuming he took the standard deduction/exemption.

I'll let others decide whether he is really making this much, or if his absolutely added brain is causing him to spout nigh incoherent twaddle yet again.  ::)

Spot on. His obsession with "business expenses" reminds me of 'the dude' looking for his briefcase...
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: _aj_ on July 02, 2014, 05:03:32 PM
Falcon would have to make ~$494K in regular income to have an effective income tax rate of 30%, assuming he took the standard deduction/exemption.

I'll let others decide whether he is really making this much, or if his absolutely added brain is causing him to spout nigh incoherent twaddle yet again.  ::)

Perhaps he is including all taxes, including state, sales, property and various VATs? "The State" isn't just federal income tax.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Lustral on July 02, 2014, 05:06:16 PM
We pay 40% on every pound above 32k earnings, and 45% on anything above 150k

In Sweden anyone earning above 32k gets hit by 50 to 60% tax

We pay +50% here when you count in the "universal social charge" and all the other horse cock they add on top of income tax. The funny thing is that the highest tax band kicks in at under €40k/year. All to pay Germany. I hate this country at times.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: syntaxmachine on July 02, 2014, 07:31:35 PM
Perhaps he is including all taxes, including state, sales, property and various VATs? "The State" isn't just federal income tax.

He has explicitly labeled the tax an 'income tax' in both the title of the thread and the OP. But we can use the principle of charity to reformulate his statement into something sensible, as you have done.

If we add in North Carolina income tax, he'd still have to make ~$250K to have an effective income tax rate of 30%. I'm too dumb to calculate an effective rate with any more types of tax added, so will leave it at that.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
its funny too i am sorrounded by welfare bums disability fakers and the  like.

one dude i know says "fuck learning man" im like dude one day your daddy isnt gonna pay to fix your truck for you and your disability is gonna be cut hes like "big deal i dont care" im like lol

most people dont realize you gotta spend money to make money, its not that 30 percent is high , ...it only becomes a high number after all the tools and materials that you have to buy to do the job right!
but an income tax for someone like me around 30 percent is insane if you consider all my expenses i have to literally be a super hero and do manual labors around the clock eating a shit ton of food, i have no choice to be beta and go on vacation

Seems like you could us some help preparing your tax return.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 07:38:11 PM
you gotta be making atleast 68 thousand a year with NO buisness expenses to just stay afloat paying 30 percent income

Again, a tax consultant would help you maximize your business expense deductions. My dad was self employed, made good money and paid very little income tax. You must be doing something wrong, "Marty" which rimes with smarty you know.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 07:39:19 PM
You don't like getting taxed?... just stop working and retire at 45 like me.  

It really helps if you don't a wife, a child, a house payment, car payment, etc...  Completely ignore societal pressures/stigmas and draw your own lines in the sand.

When you minimize your expenses/debt, you maximize your freedom.

Yes but, doesn't living in a tent in the woods get cold in the winter?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 07:49:36 PM
If the current tax system is "necessary to sustain civilization" then I'd like to redefine the concept of "civilization". 

If having freeloaders on one corner, corporate welfare on the other, and an out of control Military Industrial Complex sucking up the rest of the tax pool is the definition of civilization I'd rather let it crumble. 

Oh so you think until it does crumble. At that point, you'll be whining about government not doing anything.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
Falcon would have to make ~$494K in regular income to have an effective income tax rate of 30%, assuming he took the standard deduction/exemption.

I'll let others decide whether he is really making this much, or if his absolutely added brain is causing him to spout nigh incoherent twaddle yet again.  ::)

Agreed, sometime he does seem addle brained although he cannot use the excuse that he is old, like I can when I say something stupid.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 08:01:11 PM
yes its federal and state put together around 30 percent

now apologize everyone for calling me the asshole  ::)

http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finance/taxes/federal-income-tax-brackets/
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
He has explicitly labeled the tax an 'income tax' in both the title of the thread and the OP. But we can use the principle of charity to reformulate his statement into something sensible, as you have done.

If we add in North Carolina income tax, he'd still have to make ~$250K to have an effective income tax rate of 30%. I'm too dumb to calculate an effective rate with any more types of tax added, so will leave it at that.

Do know why, but I doubt he makes $250K mowing lawns and painting apartments....I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 08:06:04 PM
Perhaps he is including all taxes, including state, sales, property and various VATs? "The State" isn't just federal income tax.
no just state and federal income puts every average dude over 30 percent thats working atleast 10 days a month for free but that adds up to 120 days a year!!
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 08:07:16 PM
yes its federal and state put together around 30 percent

now apologize everyone for calling me the asshole  ::)

http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finance/taxes/federal-income-tax-brackets/

You do realize that this chart refers to taxable income, meaning your net income after you take out all your deductions and credits and not your gross income?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Marty Champions on July 02, 2014, 08:13:11 PM
You do realize that this chart refers to taxable income, meaning your net income after you take out all your deductions and credits and not your gross income?
no shit i already talked about the cost of building supplies, they still fucking kill profit even being deducted while paying 30 percent thats insane
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 09:13:09 PM
no shit i already talked about the cost of building supplies, they still fucking kill profit even being deducted while paying 30 percent thats insane
Perhaps you aren't charging enough for your services then. I don't understand your equation. You say your spending your profits on supplies. Your profit is your net income less the cost of supplies. You should only be paying taxes on your net income. No profit = no income = no taxes.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Mawse on July 02, 2014, 09:32:52 PM
to be fair NC has sales tax up to 7.5% right? So on top of gas tax and all the other money you give to support welfare bums, illegals, DMV workers pensions and bombing brown people it comes up to about 30% at least.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 10:10:17 PM
You like learning, right? Here you go buddy:
https://www.mint.com/blog/planning/the-difference-between-marginal-and-effective-tax-rates-1212/

Great article! Unfortunately, many folks will ignore these facts because they don't further their argument about taxes. Since the beginning of time (tax time) folks have been complaining and sometimes rebelling against taxes. I hate paying taxes. What I hate more is reading that the U.S. has the worst/least maternity leave of any developed country, or that our healthcare system is subpar as compared to most other countries in the world. I guess it stands to reason, the U.S. was settled by people (our forefathers) who were rebelling against high taxes....and other things.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 10:18:04 PM
Stop paying taxes. ALL TAX MONEY GOES TO HOOKERS AND BLOW FOR BARRACK AND CHENEY. 

Oh right!  ::)
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 02, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Ok a few other fat fuck politicians get hookers and blow also.

And to think I passed on an opportunity to go into politics. Perhaps I should rethink this decision.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Dr Kincaid on July 03, 2014, 12:01:42 AM
Obama gives out a great big belly laugh.
Yes we can .He chokes and sneezes at the same time, it is so funny and ends up with snot all over his hands.
He thinks well could be worse, and he laughs again

To keep BB related.
.
If Obama had a son who Bodybuild's he would be exactly like Phil Heath.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on July 03, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
Half the world is working 100x harder just to keep alive in some corrugated tin shack.  Do your job and pay your taxes.  We have no idea how lucky we are.


Some major BS in this thread too.  Deductions are a thing which exist.  Also, post your tax thresholds.  You understand that not all your income tax is assessed at the top rate, right?  :-\

As if Falconne isn't working 4/5 jobs taco style.

What do you mean by this?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Skorp1o on July 03, 2014, 12:31:22 AM
Its 32 grand now? Fuck when did it drop from 42?

The eye roll was for the tax man not you.

But yes, they'll tell us all they've given us a tax break, in reality they will be making more money by lowering the 40% threshold from 33.2 to over 32...

Tony Blair paid 3% overall on the pile of millions he made (I believe over 30mil In one year) the Barclay brothers owners of the Ritz, have paid zero tax in the last god knows how many years via holding companies in the BVI's...etc.

So all in all, it comes to this...the lazy/can't be bothered to work/stitch the benefits systems wins, the elite wealthy wins and the hard working everyday Joe is hammered.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: AmonRa on July 03, 2014, 04:06:34 AM
PAYING TAXES = SLAVERY.

They take from your labor without having the right to do so.

Money for roads and shit you say? Most of the companies doing those kind of shits are private anyway.

Bottom line is = taxes = slavery.

Those who have the most money pay zero taxes.

Stop paying your taxes. It's ghey.

The system is never going to be changed until the elements in it get smarter.

Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2014, 04:09:17 AM
PAYING TAXES = SLAVERY.

They take from your labor without having the right to do so.

Money for roads and shit you say? Most of the companies doing those kind of shits are private anyway.

Bottom line is = taxes = slavery.

Those who have the most money pay zero taxes.

Stop paying your taxes. It's ghey.

The system is never going to be changed until the elements in it get smarter.


its easy not to pay income tax, just dont work, or work hand to mouth.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: AmonRa on July 03, 2014, 04:12:23 AM
What a combo of broke ass crybabies and greedy fuckers over here...

I am in the top tax bracket, live in one of the more expensive states in the country and pay buttloads of capital gains both short and long term. It's a great life and you'll never hear me complain once about it. It's a mistake to look at what you spend it taxes and assume the you could get that extra money if only your taxes were lower. Most of you are too stupid to grasp the concepts behind that fact so I won't bother explaining.

You are nothing more than one happy slave who loves his slavery. Enjoy guy but u can't change it - slave.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2014, 04:15:20 AM
You are nothing more than one happy slave who loves his slavery. Enjoy guy but u can't change it - slave.

Which definition of slave are you using?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Tapeworm on July 03, 2014, 07:26:19 AM
What do you mean by this?

The majority of his income is undeclared so I don't know what he griping about.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 03, 2014, 09:04:01 AM
its easy not to pay income tax, just dont work, or work hand to mouth.

Clearly this is a choice one could make. Some folks take it a step further, they make so little money they actually qualify for public assistance, which is funded by, what else, other people's taxes. There are the have's and the have not's. There are the giver's and the taker's. Some people consciously chose the role they play, other folks inherit it.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Jack T. Cross on July 03, 2014, 10:07:32 AM
Clearly this is a choice one could make. Some folks take it a step further, they make so little money they actually qualify for public assistance, which is funded by, what else, other people's taxes. There are the have's and the have not's. There are the giver's and the taker's. Some people consciously chose the role they play, other folks inherit it.

...and the biggest TAKERS all live in a revolving door between the government and corporate world.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2014, 10:15:45 AM
Clearly this is a choice one could make. Some folks take it a step further, they make so little money they actually qualify for public assistance, which is funded by, what else, other people's taxes. There are the have's and the have not's. There are the giver's and the taker's. Some people consciously chose the role they play, other folks inherit it.
If you want a decent life you have to work for the luxuries, I see my taxes funding fat fucks who have generations within families who never work, father to son and onwards.
Its the way of a civilised society, I could go and live in some back of beyond third world shit hole to avoid tax, but..you see where I'm going with it.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Primemuscle on July 03, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
If you want a decent life you have to work for the luxuries, I see my taxes funding fat fucks who have generations within families who never work, father to son and onwards.
Its the way of a civilised society, I could go and live in some back of beyond third world shit hole to avoid tax, but..you see where I'm going with it.

It comforts me to know that people on the dole are not happy people, despite appearances to the contrary.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Henda on July 03, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
It comforts me to know that people on the dole are not happy people, despite appearances to the contrary.

A lot of my workmates grumble about dole dwellers when they look at their payslips and the amount of tax paid. I say let them be, their choice to live on benefits means they will get nowhere in life and have fuck all to leave to their kids and leaves the few available jobs for the people that actually want them.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: 2Thick on July 03, 2014, 01:27:17 PM
I have long religiously maxed out all tax-advantaged retirement plans I have been eligible to participate in each year when I have been eligible for each type of plan or combination of plans - 401k, IRA, SEP.

I gladly pay a CPA a few bucks to do my taxes, and write off anything I possibly can. If there is an issue with deductions or anything else according to the crooks at the IRS, the CPA deals with it - not me.

I also have a chunk of money in a tax deferred variable annuity that I contribute a few bucks to each year, and generally keep at least a little in tax-free muni bonds. I will put more into munis when I retire and need the income, and will start to draw on the annuity and the retirement accounts in about 15 years.

If you have a Roth 401k option (after-tax dollars) at work, contribute to that. And if your household income is below the income limit for a Roth IRA, do this also.

Otherwise, the tax-deferred traditional 401k and IRA are also good for at least putting the taxes off and lowering your current taxable income level. And when you start paying taxes on those tax-deferred accounts after retirement, your overall taxable income may be lower than it was when you were working, perhaps putting you into a lower tax bracket.
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Complex Carbs on July 03, 2014, 03:20:28 PM
PAYING TAXES = SLAVERY.

They take from your labor without having the right to do so.

Money for roads and shit you say? Most of the companies doing those kind of shits are private anyway.

Bottom line is = taxes = slavery.

Those who have the most money pay zero taxes.

Stop paying your taxes. It's ghey.

The system is never going to be changed until the elements in it get smarter.


There are laws which allow the government to collect taxes, you thick twat.

How is a government supposed to be financed in your world?
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: tleilaxutank on July 03, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
Brought to you by Fox News   ::)
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: tu_holmes on July 03, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
You are claiming all of those things on your taxes right? (Tools and what not)
Title: Re: Income tax just too damn high at 30 percent
Post by: Voice of Doom on July 03, 2014, 08:54:42 PM
Oh so you think until it does crumble. At that point, you'll be whining about government not doing anything.

Not a chance.  I'll enjoy Jefferson's 'dangerous freedom'.

"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing.
Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." - Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787