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There's a thread over at Ironage with great pics of the 1980 Olympia. In those pics it is clear why Arnold won. Go check it out!
http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?topic=7784.0
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yes Arnold won the contest fair and square.
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Arnie looks so worn out :(
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Arnold is the man
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mentzer is just a sore loser.
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ARNOLD =popular.
;D
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There's a thread over at Ironage with great pics of the 1980 Olympia. In those pics it is clear why Arnold won. Go check it out!
http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?topic=7784.0
Looks to me like Mentzer is winning from the back. Arnold had no back detail or hamstring definition at that contest. Also in the Abs and Thighs shot Mentzer is clearly showing better conditioning and proportional symmetry. I read somewhere that arnold got food poisoning right before that contest - he looks it!
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Arnold owns nothing, and he knew it. You can see clearly in this pic that Arnold didn't DARE to look in the eyes of Mentzer.
By the way, this topic is just plain stupid. EVERYBODY in the bodybuilding world who were actually THERE all claim Mentzer should have won and Arnold shouldn't be 1st, nor should he be 8th but even BEHIND Tom Platz. And now all of a sudden all of you assclowns who maybe weren't even born at the time try to fool everybody by showing a couple of pics which indeed prove that Arnold was the "tall" man that night and making stupid statements why he dwarfed everybody and all that BS. Let me tell you something, taller and bigger doesn't necessarily mean "better". When are you assclowns going to understand that. It's because of you dumb people that bodybuilding is what it is today. The only thing you care about is ridiculous size and clowns like this guy right here in the second pic:
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By the way assclowns, this pic says it ALL
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I read somewhere that arnold got food poisoning right before that contest - he looks it!
Nah, just another stupid excuse by Arnold to get away with the whole thing. I've seen a clip, which was posted on bodybuildingdungeon.com. This clip was made right before he entered the 1980 Mr. Olympia. It's a stupid commercial where he is comparing alcohol to amino acids or something like that. Shamelessly he drinks the alcohol and acts like the alcohol gives him a good pump just like an amino acid. He's drinking Jack Daniels if I'm not mistaking. In that clip he looks exactly the same as in the contest.
I just found the link by the way; http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Arnold-Jim-Beam
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thats from the movie "Total rebuild- way to the olympia"... and he drinks that right before he is about to go on stage just to calm him down, the whole thing is a joke when he says its its a special blend of amino acids and protein, and its Jim bean that he is drinking
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thats from the movie "Total rebuild- way to the olympia"... and he drinks that right before he is about to go on stage just to calm him down, the whole thing is a joke when he says its its a special blend of amino acids and protein, and its Jim bean that he is drinking
so, what's the difference?
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1980 olympia winner=Arnold
End Of story.
Any way thanks for the link SLY.
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1980 olympia winner=Arnold
End Of story.
Any way thanks for the link SLY.
you're welcome.
yeah I know he was the winner, but if you want to discuss with me if he should have been the winner then you can get your discussion pal.
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There's a thread over at Ironage with great pics of the 1980 Olympia.
no great pics at all (low resolution, bad quality)
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Frank Zane once said that Arnold only took like 6 weeks to prepare for that show. The only reason why Arnold won that year is because he was still Joe Weider's golden-boy.
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We have a super knowlegable guy here, 619Rules. I wonder if he could grace us with his insights into this . . .
TBC
The show was fixed.....Arnold was booed off the stage.........Ausvet already verified this fact...........
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arnold= billionaire , movie star, govenor, ultrasuccesful
mentzer= broke , mentally unstable, dead
who cares whether or not arnold desevred to win in 1980 he won the title and he won in life end of story
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Arnold owns nothing, and he knew it. You can see clearly in this pic that Arnold didn't DARE to look in the eyes of Mentzer.
He didn't look into Metzners eyes, not because he was afraid, but because it would make Mike even more angry by doing so.
Arnold was a master at playing mind games. From the breakfast scene in Pumping Iron where he just slams Louie and Louie lost the contest right there, to the backstage pump room where he just won't take his eyes off Louie to psych him out. Arnold knew how to get under peoples skin in order to piss them off, make them lose concentration or just plain irratate them.
If Arnold was afraid of Metzner, how come he's sitting there so relaxed? Just calmly waving his hand, but yet he's totally afraid that Metzner may pounce any moment? Yeah right. ::)
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He didn't look into Metzners eyes, not because he was afraid, but because it would make Mike even more angry by doing so.
Arnold was a master at playing mind games. From the breakfast scene in Pumping Iron where he just slams Louie and Louie lost the contest right there, to the backstage pump room where he just won't take his eyes off Louie to psych him out. Arnold knew how to get under peoples skin in order to piss them off, make them lose concentration or just plain irratate them.
If Arnold was afraid of Metzner, how come he's sitting there so relaxed? Just calmly waving his hand, but yet he's totally afraid that Metzner may pounce any moment? Yeah right. ::)
Lou lost wen he decided not to train legs
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so, what's the difference?
just clearing things up and being a smartass, you had your facts all wrong
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1980 olympia winner=Arnold
End Of story.
Any way thanks for the link SLY.
Good one!!! The facts are there.. Arnold took the crown, end of story and its in the history books! Arnie is the man!
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Vince Basile gave interesting and detailed insight a couple of weeks back.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=29765.50
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Sly I noticed on the pic you posted you call it "me". Are you in that pic somewhere. Also, Arnold was relaxed when talking to Mike because he knew Weider was right there to take the bullet.
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arnold= billionaire , movie star, govenor, ultrasuccesful
mentzer= broke , mentally unstable, dead
who cares whether or not arnold desevred to win in 1980 he won the title and he won in life end of story
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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yes, Arnold won in life... By selling his soul to the devil. He made his own succes at the expense of other people, something Mike was famous for not doing. He was succesful because he stabbed people in the back without any remorse and without any shame or regret.
At the 1980 O, Arnold was a three dressed up as a nine because of all the hype and fixes, his reputation and his relationship with the Weiders.
And for all that bullcrap about Mike acting like a sore loser, have you guys ever heard of justice? That night there didn't seem to be any justice and fairness at all! What do you expect from the guy, that he's gonna keep his mouth shut and admit Arnold was the greatest when he really didn't come close to being the greatest?
Mike made all the sacrifices in the world and was in the BEST shape of his life. He was in better shape than in the contests where he won with PERFECT scores! And then all of a sudden a cocky fella like Arnold comes walking by, been training six weeks and has almost no lower body development at all, looks like crap and even wins that contest! Now suddenly the guy with perfect scores becomes 5th ::)
I'm so proud of Mike because of the way he left the competition. He may have died, because of a lot of problems and a lot of emotions and sadness was involved, but he was more HUMAN than Arnold will ever be. Mike regained his soul a long time ago while Arnold had already sold his soul.
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yes, Arnold won in life... By selling his soul to the devil. He made his own succes at the expense of other people, something Mike was famous for not doing. He was succesful because he stabbed people in the back without any remorse and without any shame or regret.
At the 1980 O, Arnold was a three dressed up as a nine because of all the hype and fixes, his reputation and his relationship with the Weiders.
And for all that bullcrap about Mike acting like a sore loser, have you guys ever heard of justice? That night there didn't seem to be any justice and fairness at all! What do you expect from the guy, that he's gonna keep his mouth shut and admit Arnold was the greatest when he really didn't come close to being the greatest?
Mike made all the sacrifices in the world and was in the BEST shape of his life. He was in better shape than in the contests where he won with PERFECT scores! And then all of a sudden a cocky fella like Arnold comes walking by, been training six weeks and has almost no lower body development at all, looks like crap and even wins that contest! Now suddenly the guy with perfect scores becomes 5th ::)
I'm so proud of Mike because of the way he left the competition. He may have died, because of a lot of problems and a lot of emotions and sadness was involved, but he was more HUMAN than Arnold will ever be. Mike regained his soul a long time ago while Arnold had already sold his soul.
Cry me a river.
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yes, Arnold won in life... By selling his soul to the devil. He made his own succes at the expense of other people, something Mike was famous for not doing. He was succesful because he stabbed people in the back without any remorse and without any shame or regret.
At the 1980 O, Arnold was a three dressed up as a nine because of all the hype and fixes, his reputation and his relationship with the Weiders.
And for all that bullcrap about Mike acting like a sore loser, have you guys ever heard of justice? That night there didn't seem to be any justice and fairness at all! What do you expect from the guy, that he's gonna keep his mouth shut and admit Arnold was the greatest when he really didn't come close to being the greatest?
Mike made all the sacrifices in the world and was in the BEST shape of his life. He was in better shape than in the contests where he won with PERFECT scores! And then all of a sudden a cocky fella like Arnold comes walking by, been training six weeks and has almost no lower body development at all, looks like crap and even wins that contest! Now suddenly the guy with perfect scores becomes 5th ::)
I'm so proud of Mike because of the way he left the competition. He may have died, because of a lot of problems and a lot of emotions and sadness was involved, but he was more HUMAN than Arnold will ever be. Mike regained his soul a long time ago while Arnold had already sold his soul.
Mikes best doesn't make him "the" best! I think this is widely missunderstood, he looked small next to Arnold and he had his fair share of weaknesses such as thin chest and thick midsection.
Don't look at it so deeply, if you read back you'll see Mike had already publicly dissrespected Arnold and Arnold decided to teach him a lesson.
On the day Arnold phsyched out Mentzer like a boxer would like to do to his opponent and in the end 4 people placed ahead of Mentzer anyway, no Arnold and he would have been 4th.
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that's were you're wrong. The situation ain't that simple as you make it out to be.
I understand what you are trying to say there, but as far as I know there are a lot of rumours going on how Arnold said he was gonna teach everybody a lesson. Yes I would say something like that too if I knew I was going to win a fixed contest.
Mike NEVER disrespected Arnold. Fact is Weider didn't like it one bit that Mentzer was becoming THE ICON at that time. Because Mentzer did everything his own way, Mentzer Style. And not Weider's way. Weider saw Mentzer as a thread because Mentzer on his own was becoming bigger than the whole Weider foundation. They had to take him out, and they did it that night. While Weider and Arnold fooled everyone in the world by saying: you have to train 7 days a week and 2/4 hours a day, and you have to take this, this and this supplement, Mentzer told the truth and told everybody that was BS. I don't call that disrespecting, I call that telling the truth.
I can go on and discuss further about it but I can see that you guys have already made your own simple stories about the whole situation and stick to it. That's fine with me.
just stay ignorant and you will be fine
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Mentzer was in a completely different class
His posing routine on it's own should have made him the winner, that's a legendary routine in my book.
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This is how Mike recalls that fateful day. "There were maybe 50 people at the competitors meeting and, as usual, Arnold wanted to be the center of attention. In every situation, he tries to be the standout, and on this occasion, he was the only athlete of the 16 in the contest who wanted to keep the two weight classes.
"He said something to denigrate Samir Bannout that I thought was uncalled for. I passed on that, feeling Samir should have defended himself. As the debate progressed, there was a lot of arguing between Arnold and some of the guys. I wasn't really concerned one way or the other - I thought I could win anyway. Then Boyer Coe stood up and, as the gentleman he is, said, 'Why don't we let Arnold explain to us right here and now his exact reasons for wanting to have two weight classes?'
"Arnold barked, 'Boyer, let's talk like adults here.' That really irked me, because Boyer made his plea with no hint of malice. In addition, this was the IFBB's event, but here was this big Prussian son of a b***h standing there and trying to walk all over us. I interjected and asked Arnold why he was so reluctant to see the open class introduced.
"For some reason, that question pissed him off. He seemed like a guy out of control as he turned to face me, his upper lip curled around like a snarling animal. We were debating the issue of weight classes, but Arnold chose to snap at me, 'Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach!'
"I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him, but nevertheless I was surprised when Arnold sat down: I scared him! He sat as I continued to berate him. Wagging my finger at him, I told him, 'Look, Arnold, Boyer Coe said what he did as a gentleman - he didn't deserve that response. You're the one who's acting like a baby, literally! Arnold couldn't look me in the eye. He went from being a frantic hysterical adolescent to shrinking away like an injured child."
Not for the first time in the history of bodybuilding, Joe Weider stepped in and defused the situation. He advised Arnold to accept the voices of the other 15. The debate ended as Arnold proclaimed, "I withdraw my objection."
DECISION DOWN UNDER "Throughout that meeting, Arnold had on a tight-knit sweater that made him look skinny. I was curious to see what he looked like once he stripped down. When he did, I remember looking at him and thinking, Not only am I going to win this contest, but I'm going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger as well!
"When I was called fifth, I was totally shocked. It was just a ridiculous placing, made more ridiculous by an out-of-shape Arnold winning. As for the others who finished ahead of me, I knew Frank Zane [third], due to an accident he had sustained four months earlier, wasn't as good as he had been the previous year. I must say that Chris Dickerson [second] and Boyer Coe [fourth] were in phenomenal shape, particularly Chris. I felt he and I were the ones in absolute peak condition, and we should have been the top two.
"The majority of observers at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, with the exception of the judging panel, didn't have Arnold in the top five. The crowd booed Arnold at the contest's conclusion, and there were a number of things that took place during the prejudging that perhaps should have provided an indication that all was not as it should have been.
"Several of the judges were close friends of Arnold. Boyer Coe told me afterwards that he saw Reg Park, one of the judges, actually coaching Arnold from the officials' table. In contrast, Bill Pearl had honorably removed himself from the judging panel, as he had spent time training with Chris Dickerson.
"At times, the contest was like a circus. We had Franco Columbu - one of Arnold's weak-willed nambypamby lackeys - coming onstage with a towel, a comb and oil, to go through a little act with Arnold at the expense of everybody else. I could quote other anomalies, but possibly the most pertinent is that CBS Sports flew halfway around the world to tape the event and then never televised it. The word was that they were convinced it was a fix.
"The record may show Arnold Schwarzenegger as the 1980 Mr. Olympia champion, but he wasn't the best bodybuilder onstage that day - not by a mile."
In the immediate aftermath of the contest, several top names stated they would never compete again. They would later reverse their decisions and return to the contest dais. But even as he was announced fifth, Mike knew he would never compete again: "There was no way I was going to put myself through the same torturous process again for a similar reward. At no point since 1980 have I been even slightly tempted to consider the possibility of competing. I don't miss it."
Of all of its repercussions, it is difficult not to nominate Mike's premature retirement at 29 as being the major consequence of the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. It effectively denied the sport a view of the physique he could have built in future years.
http://ironage.us/guest_edit/mcgough.html
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that's were you're wrong. The situation ain't that simple as you make it out to be.
I understand what you are trying to say there, but as far as I know there are a lot of rumours going on how Arnold said he was gonna teach everybody a lesson. Yes I would say something like that too if I knew I was going to win a fixed contest.
Mike NEVER disrespected Arnold. Fact is Weider didn't like it one bit that Mentzer was becoming THE ICON at that time. Because Mentzer did everything his own way, Mentzer Style. And not Weider's way. Weider saw Mentzer as a thread because Mentzer on his own was becoming bigger than the whole Weider foundation. They had to take him out, and they did it that night. While Weider and Arnold fooled everyone in the world by saying: you have to train 7 days a week and 2/4 hours a day, and you have to take this, this and this supplement, Mentzer told the truth and told everybody that was BS. I don't call that disrespecting, I call that telling the truth.
I can go on and discuss further about it but I can see that you guys have already made your own simple stories about the whole situation and stick to it. That's fine with me.
just stay ignorant and you will be fine
There is an article where it states how Mike bashed Arnold publicly.
The whole thing of Arnold upsetting everyone was part of his game plan, physching them out and getting under their skin, he was famous for doing this.
Mike took it all to heart but don't worry they patched up their differences years after when Arnold got in touch with him.
When Ray was ill Mentzer said Arnold even offered to pay his medical expenses or something along those lines. Mike also went on to say that Arnold is the greatest bodybuilder ever.
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There is an article where it states how Mike bashed Arnold publicly.
The whole thing of Arnold upsetting everyone was part of his game plan, physching them out and getting under their skin, he was famous for doing this.
Mike took it all to heart but don't worry they patched up their differences years after when Arnold got in touch with him.
When Ray was ill Mentzer said Arnold even offered to pay his medical expenses or something along those lines. Mike also went on to say that Arnold is the greatest bodybuilder ever.
yes, I know that storie. They even hugged each other as friends. I never denied Arnold has changed. Yes he is a good guy now. But in those days he was a real son of a bitch, there is no question about that. And Mentzer indeed did refer to Arnold as the "greatest Olympian of them all" in his last book. (high intensity training the Mike Mentzer way)
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Arnold owns nothing, and he knew it. You can see clearly in this pic that Arnold didn't DARE to look in the eyes of Mentzer.
By the way, this topic is just plain stupid. EVERYBODY in the bodybuilding world who were actually THERE all claim Mentzer should have won and Arnold shouldn't be 1st, nor should he be 8th but even BEHIND Tom Platz. And now all of a sudden all of you assclowns who maybe weren't even born at the time try to fool everybody by showing a couple of pics which indeed prove that Arnold was the "tall" man that night and making stupid statements why he dwarfed everybody and all that BS. Let me tell you something, taller and bigger doesn't necessarily mean "better". When are you assclowns going to understand that. It's because of you dumb people that bodybuilding is what it is today. The only thing you care about is ridiculous size and clowns like this guy right here in the second pic:
::) the thread title is fucking ridiculous. Arnie won cause it was fixed...and NO Mentzer should not have won, I believe it was Roy Callender who took second. You can debate and show the favorable Arnie shots you want all you want but that show was bullshit!
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yes, Arnold won in life... By selling his soul to the devil. He made his own succes at the expense of other people, something Mike was famous for not doing. He was succesful because he stabbed people in the back without any remorse and without any shame or regret.
At the 1980 O, Arnold was a three dressed up as a nine because of all the hype and fixes, his reputation and his relationship with the Weiders.
And for all that bullcrap about Mike acting like a sore loser, have you guys ever heard of justice? That night there didn't seem to be any justice and fairness at all! What do you expect from the guy, that he's gonna keep his mouth shut and admit Arnold was the greatest when he really didn't come close to being the greatest?
Mike made all the sacrifices in the world and was in the BEST shape of his life. He was in better shape than in the contests where he won with PERFECT scores! And then all of a sudden a cocky fella like Arnold comes walking by, been training six weeks and has almost no lower body development at all, looks like crap and even wins that contest! Now suddenly the guy with perfect scores becomes 5th ::)
I'm so proud of Mike because of the way he left the competition. He may have died, because of a lot of problems and a lot of emotions and sadness was involved, but he was more HUMAN than Arnold will ever be. Mike regained his soul a long time ago while Arnold had already sold his soul.
Mike died cuz he felt sorry for himself and that is pathetic! he couldn't handle life after Mr. O, so he killed himself... what a waste??!!! cuz just he lost, he quits? what a moron??
How could you be proud of someone taking his own life away? the gift of life is precious as is!
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so arnie psyched this loser out. Mentzer lost it. He should have watched pumping iron and learnt his place, as arnold's man bitch. When bitches go crazy, they have to be put down. Arnold: " even if they are in better shape, i will spend one night before the contest and they will never win. " all this bullshit about arnold not being a nice guy, please , this isnt fucking kindergarten, competition is competition. who gives a shit if arnold wasnt in "his best shape" fact is arnolds worst shape is better than "Mentzers best shape " by miles.
mentzer could never look like the best:
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Arnold beats Mentzer everytime. No contest.
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so arnie psyched this loser out. Mentzer lost it. He should have watched pumping iron and learnt his place, as arnold's man b***h. When b***hes go crazy, they have to be put down. Arnold: " even if they are in better shape, i will spend one night before the contest and they will never win. " all this bullshit about arnold not being a nice guy, please , this isnt f**king kindergarten, competition is competition. who gives a shit if arnold wasnt in "his best shape" fact is arnolds worst shape is better than "Mentzers best shape " by miles.
mentzer could never look like the best:
F*CKING WELL PUT!!! I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!!
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F*CKING WELL PUT!!! I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!!
I think Mike psyched Arnie out by threatening to beat the shit out of him.......in fact when Mike got ready to beat Arnie's ass Arnie got real smart and sat down and shut his flapper el fasto! Arnie was psyched out by Mike at this point-no doubt about it. Mike got to Arnie.
What allowed Arnie to win was the fact that all the judges were close friends of his and in Arnie's pocket, and gave him the show-end of story.
I mean if it was a legitimate win, Arnie would NOT have been booed off the stage and called Maria a bitch and broke his trophy, come on, Arnie is the most popular BBer of all time-why would that happen if it was a clean show?
Why did the same thing happen the following year when Arnie fixed the O for Franco-payback for helping Arnie win the 1980 O.
I can't believe you brown nosers think it was an up and up show. The 1980 Mr. O is the ONLY Mr. O that ever gets this type of debate-name one other Mr. O where people have a bitchfest like this on a weekly basis and the show was 25 years ago...... ;D
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I think Mike psyched Arnie out by threatening to beat the shit out of him.......in fact when Mike got ready to beat Arnie's ass Arnie got real smart and sat down and shut his flapper el fasto! Arnie was psyched out by Mike at this point-no doubt about it. Mike got to Arnie.
What allowed Arnie to win was the fact that all the judges were close friends of his and in Arnie's pocket, and gave him the show-end of story.
I mean if it was a legitimate win, Arnie would NOT have been booed off the stage and called Maria a b***h and broke his trophy, come on, Arnie is the most popular BBer of all time-why would that happen if it was a clean show?
Why did the same thing happen the following year when Arnie fixed the O for Franco-payback for helping Arnie win the 1980 O.
I can't believe you brown nosers think it was an up and up show. The 1980 Mr. O is the ONLY Mr. O that ever gets this type of debate-name one other Mr. O where people have a b***hfest like this on a weekly basis and the show was 25 years ago...... ;D
its cos pricks that worship mentzer's incestuous gay ass still need to hold on to something, cos theyll neva be able to hold on to his cock now hes 6 feet under. u know the sort who wank then pose topless with their fav pros, or Brett the gay. the fact that some ppl think that arnie should have won means that it was a deserved win.
mentzer felt pretty good about shutting up arnold? the guy is a loser, just because arnold didnt react to his threats doesnt mean arnold wasnt in control...
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mentzer felt pretty good about shutting up arnold? the guy is a loser, just because arnold didnt react to his threats doesnt mean arnold wasnt in control...
I just knew that post was going to get someones panties all knotted up..... :-[
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Nah, just another stupid excuse by Arnold to get away with the whole thing. I've seen a clip, which was posted on bodybuildingdungeon.com. This clip was made right before he entered the 1980 Mr. Olympia. It's a stupid commercial where he is comparing alcohol to amino acids or something like that. Shamelessly he drinks the alcohol and acts like the alcohol gives him a good pump just like an amino acid. He's drinking Jack Daniels if I'm not mistaking. In that clip he looks exactly the same as in the contest.
I just found the link by the way; http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Arnold-Jim-Beam
Um, sly... he was JOKING.
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Bottom line Mike may be dead and may have mental issues, but in that contest on that day in 1980 EVERYONE knows in their heart of hearts knows Arnold lost and Mike was the better man by far. It is so sad how so many lick arnolds ass.
Arnold has acheived so much off the backs of so many and had the luxury of having Joe weider help him all the time, not to mention Arnold competed against so few competitiors unlike Ronnie today. It is true when they say it is not what you know but who you know. In the Mr. Olympia 1908 Arnold knew the judges and got the official win.
but we all know who really won
Mike Mentzer Mr. Olympia 1980
rest in peace brother....
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lemme say this.. arnold has one extra olympia yea.. everyone knows that. ronnie may have 2 extra but it's not for certain. for those who say arnold got so much help... whatever. who would have beaten him? anyway arnold retired way way young and actually wasn't hungry any more in his 6th olympia. and those who talk about his legs... arnold was actually getting to have big legs until he broke his left knee... then it was rebuild to smaller than before and then came the retirement. arnold's conditioning was one of the best... that's why he beat sergio. not to mention arnold knew how to pose his body better than anyone. he looked best on stage. let's not forget also he had arms and chest that would be some of the best even today. if arnold had stayed hungry and continued bodybuilding into like 1984 or so he'd have been the best ever hands down no question. look at some of the guys who competed with him who continued in the 80's. their physiques went through the roof. arnold would have continued to be better and better. compare for example only Lou Ferigno. He came back from a LOOOONG retirement like 30 pounds heavier and veiny and disgusting (in a good way). why? better drugs. arnold could have been exactly the same thing.
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What's Mentzer gotta do with this? Coming in 5th he's outta the discussion regardless of Arnold. It should be about Arnold and Dickerson who's the man that came second.
Was Mentzer better than Dickerson? Better than Zane? Better than Coe? If not, then he wouldn't have won anyway.
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i thought francos 81 win was worst,he had some nasty gyno going in that show,but we all know bodybuilding is political as hell
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What's Mentzer gotta do with this? Coming in 5th he's outta the discussion regardless of Arnold. It should be about Arnold and Dickerson who's the man that came second.
Was Mentzer better than Dickerson? Better than Zane? Better than Coe? If not, then he wouldn't have won anyway.
That's the thing that everyone seems to forget; I think if usual bullshit like the Weiders wanted to 'punish Mentzer' was true, they'd have put him at tenth. The fact is while Arnold may not have been the best on stage (which most agree with), there were three other people between him and Mentzer, so even if Arnold hadn't been there, Mentzer wouldn't have been Mr O 1980. Would he still have quit with a fourth place and a no-show Arnold? Who knows and/or cares, but the guy was obviously on the way to his various mental episodes and this was obviously the straw. If he'd have won, perhaps things would have been different, but this isn't like Coleman/Cutler 2001 or Coleman/Levrone 2002. Mentzer wasn't second, and that's it. Either way, Arnold or no Arnold, he wasn't going to be Mr O.
What I'd like to know, and has never been explained, is exactly WHY Arnold came back in 1980? I hear he was promoting a film - how does THAT work, exactly, given how miniscule an audience pro bodybuilding has always commanded? I wouldn't have thought it would have made any difference at all, and in hindsight, the entire debacle is a major blemish on his pro career.
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Arnie was smooth as sheetrock he should have never won. Another Weider travesty!
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Arnold: " even if they are in better shape, i will spend one night before the contest and they will never win. "
I wonder how many nights did Mentzer spent with Arnold?
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The only thing Mentzer had on Arnold was legs, Arnold killed hom in Chest, abs, Arms and Traps, Arnold had a bigger back Mentzer had a little more detail in his back.
As for Arnold Selling his sole, dont forget it was Arnold who helped out Mikes brother Ray and payed all his medical bills when he was suffering from kidney disease,
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God bless his soul but Mike just didn't beat Arnold THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT. My opinion of the only man who gave Arnold a run for his money.... Chris Dickerson. Arnold was a complete everything.
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I think it's important to look at the broader picture when judging Arnold. Ya he was a young son of a bitch but in hindsight he did a lot to repair that. Even his political aspirations are rooted in others, since he is so rich he doesn't need the money or fame.
The fact is...Arnold did a LOT for bodybuilding, more than anyone else. If his true naysayers had their way (movie critics that think his acting is shit) every musclehead would be stereotyped as a POS and a retard. Even in pumping iron, you can see he tries to make amends with Lou's family way back and Lou did have some problems that would not have made him a good posterboy for bodybuilding. He has been an exemplary spokesman for our sport and did the best he could. At least he has attoned for his mistakes, unlike so many others.
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so arnie psyched this loser out. Mentzer lost it. He should have watched pumping iron and learnt his place, as arnold's man bitch. When bitches go crazy, they have to be put down. Arnold: " even if they are in better shape, i will spend one night before the contest and they will never win. " all this bullshit about arnold not being a nice guy, please , this isnt fucking kindergarten, competition is competition. who gives a shit if arnold wasnt in "his best shape" fact is arnolds worst shape is better than "Mentzers best shape " by miles.
mentzer could never look like the best:
you sure about that ? look at the pics above Mentzer is looking far better then arnold.
Arnold is just joe weiders Golden boy thats why he always win, its always the damn politics!.
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Some people will never just give up and admit Arnold was the man and no one could beat him. :)
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He didn't look into Metzners eyes, not because he was afraid, but because it would make Mike even more angry by doing so.
Arnold was a master at playing mind games. From the breakfast scene in Pumping Iron where he just slams Louie and Louie lost the contest right there, to the backstage pump room where he just won't take his eyes off Louie to psych him out. Arnold knew how to get under peoples skin in order to piss them off, make them lose concentration or just plain irratate them.
If Arnold was afraid of Metzner, how come he's sitting there so relaxed? Just calmly waving his hand, but yet he's totally afraid that Metzner may pounce any moment? Yeah right. ::)
Platz said that Arnold would win, because he is Arnold and just takes over when he hits the stage. I agree that Mentzer may have been in better consition as were some others, but as usual, Arnold took the day.
Arnold just had that presence and charisma, allowed him to be such a big Hollywood draw and one of the very few bodybuilders that could generate a following in braod audiance.
Having said all that, I would have given Mentzer 1st, Callender or Platz 2nd , etc
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Some people will never just give up and admit Arnold was the man and no one could beat him. :)
Very well said. ;D
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Arnold owns nothing, and he knew it. You can see clearly in this pic that Arnold didn't DARE to look in the eyes of Mentzer.
Arnold was just a shadow of himself that day. In my eyes Mentzer won. Sadly that day was the day Mike Mentzer died.
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1980 olympia winner=Arnold
End Of story.
The story is that this sport has no credibility. The better man has many times come out on the short end of the stick. And if you are a true fan of the sport you realize thats wrong.
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By the way assclowns, this pic says it ALL
Arnold=OWNED
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Politics might play a bigger part in this than we realise...
Aside from the obvious economic reasons and downplaying the conspiracy theories, Joe and Ben Weider (and the IFBB officials) might well have had reservations about giving Mike Mentzer the win because of something else, something potentially more damaging/embarrassing to bodybuilding as a whole.
They were happy to give Mike second place the year before ('79) against an immaculate Frank Zane, in '80 he was much improved: better conditioning; better posing; better presence and more mass. Whereas Zane was slightly off his '79 condition (he was slightly sunburned, blurred and a little reddened) so why didn't Mike at least beat Zane (3rd) in the 1980 Olympia?
So many questions???
Why did Arnold even enter?
Why on such short notice?
Why did TV execs refuse to air the finished footage shot by the camera crew (that were following Arnold around everywhere) on the grounds that "an obviously fixed show doesn't count as SPORT"?
I've heard it whispered by a former high level IFBB judge that leading up to the Olympia the Weiders discovered that Mike Mentzer was addicted to amphetamines. They weren't willing to risk giving the Olympia crown and thereby the ambassadorship of the sport to a man who might well spiral out of control at any time (which subsequently happened).
They did what they did in an attempt to protect the newly burgeoning popularity of bodybuilding from a major scandal. And no doubt they wished to re-exert their control/ownership of bodybuilding and the bodybuilding market.
Apparently, they were under the impression that Mike "would get the message and clean himself up" (apparently Joe's exact words). It seems Ben and Joe really felt that Mike had much more potential to go mainstream (movies, TV etc) than even Arnold (better looking, more articulate and more intelligent) and were confident that he could be groomed for greatness as a Weider Athlete. They could easily afford to offer him several times the income he was making from his mail order courses (advertised in Weider magazines) and thought he would be a better long term investment than Arnold's arrogant bully routine.
They knew Arnold was training hard (juicing) for Conan and had apparently already decided that should Arnold enter the O (always a possibility with a publicity hungry Arnold) that a tie-breaker decision in favour of Arnold over Mentzer would set them up for the mother of all Olympias in '81, which would go to Mike (presumably in another sensational tie breaker), with Arnold conceding defeat in a gentlemanly manner and endorsing Mike as his successor. (in exchange for a controling percentage of the IFBB pro contest promotion business)
About eight weeks out they found out about Mike's addiction... (which apparently wasn't much of an issue for an unhindered Mentzer) and voila! Arnold is in to do the O albeit as a dark horse last minute entry, the camera crew follow him and Platz as they prepare for the show (footage which later became Arnold's Comeback video when the TV stations refused it).
Arnold goes on to endorse Platz as his successor, the bodybuilding ideal: mens sana in corpore sano, Mike Mentzer is lost to the mists of obscurity.
Just another viewpoint to ponder, enjoy guys...
The Luke
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Politics might play a bigger part in this than we realise...
Aside from the obvious economic reasons and downplaying the conspiracy theories, Joe and Ben Weider (and the IFBB officials) might well have had reservations about giving Mike Mentzer the win because of something else, something potentially more damaging/embarrassing to bodybuilding as a whole.
They were happy to give Mike second place the year before ('79) against an immaculate Frank Zane, in '80 he was much improved: better conditioning; better posing; better presence and more mass. Whereas Zane was slightly off his '79 condition (he was slightly sunburned, blurred and a little reddened) so why didn't Mike at least beat Zane (3rd) in the 1980 Olympia?
So many questions???
Why did Arnold even enter?
Why on such short notice?
Why did TV execs refuse to air the finished footage shot by the camera crew (that were following Arnold around everywhere) on the grounds that "an obviously fixed show doesn't count as SPORT"?
I've heard it whispered by a former high level IFBB judge that leading up to the Olympia the Weiders discovered that Mike Mentzer was addicted to amphetamines. They weren't willing to risk giving the Olympia crown and thereby the ambassadorship of the sport to a man who might well spiral out of control at any time (which subsequently happened).
They did what they did in an attempt to protect the newly burgeoning popularity of bodybuilding from a major scandal. And no doubt they wished to re-exert their control/ownership of bodybuilding and the bodybuilding market.
Apparently, they were under the impression that Mike "would get the message and clean himself up" (apparently Joe's exact words). It seems Ben and Joe really felt that Mike had much more potential to go mainstream (movies, TV etc) than even Arnold (better looking, more articulate and more intelligent) and were confident that he could be groomed for greatness as a Weider Athlete. They could easily afford to offer him several times the income he was making from his mail order courses (advertised in Weider magazines) and thought he would be a better long term investment than Arnold's arrogant bully routine.
They knew Arnold was training hard (juicing) for Conan and had apparently already decided that should Arnold enter the O (always a possibility with a publicity hungry Arnold) that a tie-breaker decision in favour of Arnold over Mentzer would set them up for the mother of all Olympias in '81, which would go to Mike (presumably in another sensational tie breaker), with Arnold conceding defeat in a gentlemanly manner and endorsing Mike as his successor. (in exchange for a controling percentage of the IFBB pro contest promotion business)
About eight weeks out they found out about Mike's addiction... (which apparently wasn't much of an issue for an unhindered Mentzer) and voila! Arnold is in to do the O albeit as a dark horse last minute entry, the camera crew follow him and Platz as they prepare for the show (footage which later became Arnold's Comeback video when the TV stations refused it).
Arnold goes on to endorse Platz as his successor, the bodybuilding ideal: mens sana in corpore sano, Mike Mentzer is lost to the mists of obscurity.
Just another viewpoint to ponder, enjoy guys...
The Luke
All I can say is "WOW"!
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Politics might play a bigger part in this than we realise...
The Luke
From what I remember at the time Mike seemed to get the most coverage in Muscle Builder and Power in the 1978-1979 timeframe. More than Robby Robinson, more than Frank Zane etc..
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Well even Mike admitted he was prepared to punch Arnold after his comment about Zane (which, IMO wasn't out of line, even though it was in bad taste). I cannot remember ANY sporting event where someone punched another competitor in this manner although I am sure it happened. Even in boxing I cannot remember an incident amongst champions. So I suppose if he was jacked on speed and willing to walk up and punch another competitor he shouldn't be competing.
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Believe it bmacsys,
The Weiders are business men first and bodybuilding enthusiasts a distant second.
The source for this story was a guy who used to do some judging for the IFBB on the European scene and was involved in running the Irish FBB (RIFBB) and then owned/ran the IANB Natural federation for some time. He got to meet all the big names in the late 70's early 80's as they came to Ireland/Dublin for guest posings and seminars. He started the IANBF (Irish Amateur Natural Bodybuilding Federation) because he became disillusioned with the drug scene and the increasingly criminal element that the drug dependency brought with it.
Hence all his stories were "warts and all".
The Luke
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He won. Get over it! :-*
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"He said something to denigrate Samir Bannout that I thought was uncalled for. I passed on that, feeling Samir should have defended himself.
What did he say to denigrate Samir? Did he call him a sand n igger or something?
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He won. Get over it! :-*
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Wow, do you mean bodybuilding contests are fixed?! :o Great news...If it wasn't so, Dorian wouldn't have 6 Sandows, but 2...and Ronnie should not have more than 5. With those corrupted methods, the IFBB takes away excitement from this sport, what a bunch of morons.
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Mike coulda shoulda woulda.....
But he didn't.
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He looked great at the 74 O but anyone but him should have one in 80.
he had small shoulders
saggy pecs
and skinny legs
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Yeah. With that conditioning, he did not deserve to win the O. Sure, he was superior to Mentzer when it comes to size, but Arnie was so out of shape that the decision to hand him another S. was just plain ridiculous!!! I admired Arnold, but the 1980 O was a shame for him and for pro BB.
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Yeah. With that conditioning, he did not deserve to win the O. Sure, he was superior to Mentzer when it comes to size, but Arnie was so out of shape that the decision to hand him another S. was just plain ridiculous!!! I admired Arnold, but the 1980 O was a shame for him and for pro BB.
You've got it all wrong. Arnold wasnt really superior in leg size or development to mike but his condition was spot on. Infact the best its ever been despite having a cortisone injection shortly before the flight to sydney that caused him to retain water which he had to sweat out. In terms of development he was behind most competitors despite outsizing them and his balance was thrwon even more out of whack by his now chronically undeveloped legs. These factors alone should of made him uneligeble to the title, none of this "he used his charisma" or "he was the champ"crap that gets promulgated. He "lost" that contest despite being awarded as the winner if that makes any sense, and bodybuilding was dealt another blow at its attempts of becoming a legitimate sport thanks largely to the weiders
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You've got it all wrong. Arnold wasnt really superior in leg size or development to mike but his condition was spot on. Infact the best its ever been despite having a cortisone injection shortly before the flight to sydney that caused him to retain water which he had to sweat out. In terms of development he was behind most competitors despite outsizing them and his balance was thrwon even more out of whack by his now chronically undeveloped legs. These factors alone should of made him uneligeble to the title, none of this "he used his charisma" or "he was the champ"crap that gets promulgated. He "lost" that contest despite being awarded as the winner if that makes any sense, and bodybuilding was dealt another blow at its attempts of becoming a legitimate sport thanks largely to the weiders
Hmm. I think you misinterpreted me there, bro. Our conclusion is exactly the same, but built on somewhat different criteria.
I do not agree that Arnold`s conditioning was the best it had ever been on that day...(say compared to 1975), and it certainly was far behind Mentzer`s.
I agree with your final conclusion on the effect for BB! I simply do not buy the story that Weider bros. had "planned" to do this to hand Mentzer the title in 1981, or that they did not want him as O champ because of amphetamine in 1980. They should have given him a better placing in 80, and BB might have developed in another way in the following years. I am not saying Mentzer was God, but he was an interesting character, intelligent, good-looking, great physique-he could have promoted the sport. Personally, I admit I have had a great difficulty taking Mr Olympia seriously after 1980...
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It was the best condition he'd ever achieved down to advances in contest prep in the 5 year ssince 1975. Check ou these gym shots, his bas would never that ripped and look at how sunken his cheeks are on stage
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Admit it...the IFBB was created so Joe Weider had a method to create "champions" to push his bodybuilding products. It's a great business plan: Produce bodybuilding shows, write up stories about the shows and the competitor's bodybuilding methods in your magazines and fill the magazines with ads (hawked by the same IFBB champions) to sell your bodybuilding products. You get money from the competitions, money from the magazine subscriptions and ad sales and money from selling the bodybuilding products.
Joe knew Arnold was the best spokesman he had for bodybuilding and would continue to bring in money to Weider Inc, hence the unwarranted win at the 1980 Olympia. It's the same reason AMI brought Arnold back as "Executive Editor" of all the Weider magazines and started printing articles that are all Arnold, all the time...Arnold sells magazines. If Arnold decided to compete in the Mr. Olympia at the age of 60, he would still win over Ronnie, Cutler, et al, no matter how poorly conditioned.
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There are many false statements made in this thread. The majority of fans from my gym who attended the show felt Dickerson won. Mike and Frank were not the best. Arnold was the best bodybuilder there. The photo evidence supports that conclusion. People who know me know that I don't exaggerate or kiss butt. One could make a case for any of the top six being the best. Callendar won a big show in Sydney in 1979 and was very popular there. Padilla was never compared and was probably the best, size for size.
The one fact that made the difference is that Arnold was personal friends with many of the judges. Peter McCarthy was supposed to be the Australian judge and he missed the judges meeting so they put Brendan Ryan in instead. That alone was a travesty of the first order. In my analysis of the judges results (I have the original scoresheets somewhere) Chris would have won had they used Peter's score. Peter was a former Mr Australia on several occasions. Brendan was lucky to win a Junior title! What can I say? Brendan stayed at Arnold's place when he visited him in LA.
I will get around to writing another story about the contest. I gave my unpublished version to Mike in 1991. I imagine it got burned the next day! Who knows, it might be among the Mentzer archives. Mike would have easily won the 81 but several of the top guys boycotted that show. Ah, what might have been. All of this over a bodybuilding contest.
Yes, there was booing when Arnold won. However, there was more applause.
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There are many false statements made in this thread. The majority of fans from my gym who attended the show felt Dickerson won. Mike and Frank were not the best. Arnold was the best bodybuilder there. The photo evidence supports that conclusion. People who know me know that I don't exaggerate or kiss butt. One could make a case for any of the top six being the best. Callendar won a big show in Sydney in 1979 and was very popular there. Padilla was never compared and was probably the best, size for size.
The one fact that made the difference is that Arnold was personal friends with many of the judges. Peter McCarthy was supposed to be the Australian judge and he missed the judges meeting so they put Brendan Ryan in instead. That alone was a travesty of the first order. In my analysis of the judges results (I have the original scoresheets somewhere) Chris would have won had they used Peter's score. Peter was a former Mr Australia on several occasions. Brendan was lucky to win a Junior title! What can I say? Brendan stayed at Arnold's place when he visited him in LA.
I will get around to writing another story about the contest. I gave my unpublished version to Mike in 1991. I imagine it got burned the next day! Who knows, it might be among the Mentzer archives. Mike would have easily won the 81 but several of the top guys boycotted that show. Ah, what might have been. All of this over a bodybuilding contest.
Yes, there was booing when Arnold won. However, there was more applause.
Vince, you said above that Arnold " was the best bodybuilder there". But the judging made the difference. So you think it was close but Arnold being buddies with the judges and Paul Grant put him over the top?
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The Years 1980 and 1981 were black years in Olympia history, and should have asterisks beside their placements. Many fantastic bodybuilders were absolutely mentally devastated and totally disillusioned with the sport by the horrific outcomes, many never really recovering or competing again. So much hard work and sacrifice absolutely for nothing. The "IFBB judges club" and the "Weider machine" arrogance was so blatant, bodybuilding lost its innocence, and to this day is NOT much better. Peace.
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Paul Graham and Arnold lived together in the fall of 1968. In January 1969 Paul got arrested by the FBI in Honolulu for exporting stolen cars from the US to Australia. Paul promoted the 80 Olympia. How did Brendan Ryan get picked to be a judge? There were many other more senior people who deserved to judge instead of Brendan.
It is hard to have an opinion that goes against what most people think. Few people thought Arnold deserved to win the contest that year. I had the benefit of looking at several hundred photos I took at the judging and evening show. What those images revealed is that Arnold dwarfed everyone else in two important areas; arms and chest. His calves were right up there with the best. Only his thighs were a bit smaller than the others. However, if you have to decide between a guy with no arms (Dickerson) and no thighs (Arnold) then who would you pick? Arms have always been the hallmark of bodybuilders so that is why I say Arnold was the best bodybuilder there. He sure knew how to work the crowd. He was pals with most of the judges.
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Paul Graham and Arnold lived together in the fall of 1968. In January 1969 Paul got arrested by the FBI in Honolulu for exporting stolen cars from the US to Australia. Paul promoted the 80 Olympia. How did Brendan Ryan get picked to be a judge? There were many other more senior people who deserved to judge instead of Brendan.
It is hard to have an opinion that goes against what most people think. Few people thought Arnold deserved to win the contest that year. I had the benefit of looking at several hundred photos I took at the judging and evening show. What those images revealed is that Arnold dwarfed everyone else in two important areas; arms and chest. His calves were right up there with the best. Only his thighs were a bit smaller than the others. However, if you have to decide between a guy with no arms (Dickerson) and no thighs (Arnold) then who would you pick? Arms have always been the hallmark of bodybuilders so that is why I say Arnold was the best bodybuilder there. He sure knew how to work the crowd. He was pals with most of the judges.
some criminal enterprises amaze me
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Admit it...the IFBB was created so Joe Weider had a method to create "champions" to push his bodybuilding products. It's a great business plan: Produce bodybuilding shows, write up stories about the shows and the competitor's bodybuilding methods in your magazines and fill the magazines with ads (hawked by the same IFBB champions) to sell your bodybuilding products. You get money from the competitions, money from the magazine subscriptions and ad sales and money from selling the bodybuilding products.
Joe knew Arnold was the best spokesman he had for bodybuilding and would continue to bring in money to Weider Inc, hence the unwarranted win at the 1980 Olympia. It's the same reason AMI brought Arnold back as "Executive Editor" of all the Weider magazines and started printing articles that are all Arnold, all the time...Arnold sells magazines. If Arnold decided to compete in the Mr. Olympia at the age of 60, he would still win over Ronnie, Cutler, et al, no matter how poorly conditioned.
Exactly! I couldn't have said it better myself. Each Olympia champion has to have a good physique but not necessarily the best one on the stage that day. What makes the champ the champ is one who can sell mags, sell pay per view slots, get ad revenue, bring in more people to the gym so that they supplement sales go up and so do mag subscriptions.
Look at the history of the Olympia history each champion had something unique in his personality.
Larry Scott, a golden boy
Sergio Oliva amazing but Black in a time when being Black was the wrong color probably why he lost to the golden boy Arnold.
Arnold...well good looks
Columbu, Zane, Dickerson, Bannout all excellent physiques but none had a super personality and thats why they never had long reigns at the top.
Haney, Black at a time when being Black was not a civil rights curse and clearly appealing to the more "hardcore" audience.
Dorian Yates, brooding personality stiff British upper lip and muscle made from granite
Ronnie Coleman freakiness combined with aesthetics (to the hardcore fans until his gut started getting out of control).
Think about it. The only time I believe the Olympia was judged was during the Columbu, Zane, Dickerson, Bannout era, short reigns because there was none with a startling personality (not to discredit Bannout about whom I have heard some amazing stories about his personaity and chutzpah).
Now think about all those deserving 2nd place guys who may have been robbed a Sandow in the recent past...Shawn Ray = whining nancy boy, Kevin Levrone = No work ethic compared to Ronnie or Dorian, Jay Cutler = personality of a wet dish rag. Frankly the IFBB has done a reasonably good job of picking the best representative of the sport. While many think Ronnie is too hardcore and might be repulsive to the genera public couple of comments.
Remember that the level of muscularity has increased in the past 20-30 years. This is not only because of new types of hormones available (HGH, Insulin, IGF), better training and nutrition information (I think the guys in the 70's overtrained no wonder Mentzer put on so much mass while reducing volume, no need for 30 rep warm ups and 50 rep drop sets and 21's for biceps to make them grow). And not only has the muscularity of the pros increased so has the muscularity sported by the average natural recreational bodybuilder. As a result the IFBB has to choose even more muscular guys to win after all if the pro's muscularity is easily achievable by the guy in the street then there is no reason to pimp out supplements and mags is there?
As a result of the all-round improvement in muscularity of the general public the IFBB has to select competitors who manifest a level of muscularity significantly above the general public. Just as Arnold and Oliva were "freaks" in their day Ronnie is todays freak. As I look at all the pics of Arnold and I think damn he looks like a buff swimmer after being used to seeing the likes of todays pros. Just as a guy in the 70's would be shocked by seeing Arnold's body I have to see a back double bicep from Ronnie to get "shocked".
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I just finished watching the 1980 Olympia competition on DVD and I have to say Mike should won that Competition and was robbed. Arnold looked nothing like himself and quite frankly was given the win, because he was Arnold. It's a shame that in sports we have to have favoritism, but that's life and life's a bitch and then you die.
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yeah mike was awesome, and looked good that night.
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Folks Arnold was still way ahead of his time and the rest of the crowd in the 1980 Olympia. He had a very small waist line and some very big lat's, shoulder, arms and calves. And on top of that he was shredded. When I read people saying that he was not in shape like he was in 1975 I have to laugh because it was a very different time. The standards had changed so much. Look at who was winning the Olympia the last three years prior to 1980. Frank Zane! And Mike could not even beat him! You have to look at all the body parts and yes even the posing as well. The score cards show most of the contenders beating Arnold in the legs but after that they got a beating over all. I bet most of you were not even born in 1980 let alone 1975. Go look at Joe Weiders magazine of the 1980 Olympia. The pictures just don't lie! What's even funnier is the complaining I read about regarding the rest of the placing's in the 1980 Olympia as well. IMHO If you watch the video you will see that they did in fact get it right on that night.
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mentzer was robbed
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arnold= billionaire , movie star, govenor, ultrasuccesful
mentzer= broke , mentally unstable, dead
who cares whether or not arnold desevred to win in 1980 he won the title and he won in life end of story
Agreed 100%. People need to learn.
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Quote from: bcrizzy on June 02, 2005, 01:33:25 PM
arnold= billionaire , movie star, govenor, ultrasuccesful
mentzer= broke , mentally unstable, dead
who cares whether or not arnold desevred to win in 1980 he won the title and he won in life end of story
That pathetic assessment says a lot about the person who wrote it.
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That pathetic assessment says a lot about the person who wrote it.
sorry pumpster, that was funny
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"When I was called fifth :(
Question if Mike was so darn good then why the fifth place finish? Was he truly better then the other four guys on stage that night?
In Mikes own words.
WHO TERMINATED WHOM! That strain and tension came to an electrifying climax at the competitors meeting held the morning of the contest. Fifteen of the 16 athletes had signed a petition asking that the two weight classes be abolished and that the Olympia should henceforth be contested as one open class. The one athlete not in agreement was Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Whatever the rights and wrongs, facts and misconceptions, theories and myths that surrounded the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest, in the interests of this narrative, it's important to understand that Mike Mentzer felt he was cheated in Sydney, and that sinister machinations were afoot. His belief is that certain forces, fueled by ignorance and sycophancy, combined to thrust an undeserving Arnold to first place and relegate him - perceived as owning the best physique in the contest - to a "ridiculous" fifth place.
This is how Mike recalls that fateful day. "There were maybe 50 people at the competitors meeting and, as usual, Arnold wanted to be the center of attention. In every situation, he tries to be the standout, and on this occasion, he was the only athlete of the 16 in the contest who wanted to keep the two weight classes.
"He said something to denigrate Samir Bannout that I thought was uncalled for. I passed on that, feeling Samir should have defended himself. As the debate progressed, there was a lot of arguing between Arnold and some of the guys. I wasn't really concerned one way or the other - I thought I could win anyway. Then Boyer Coe stood up and, as the gentleman he is, said, 'Why don't we let Arnold explain to us right here and now his exact reasons for wanting to have two weight classes?'
"Arnold barked, 'Boyer, let's talk like adults here.' That really irked me, because Boyer made his plea with no hint of malice. In addition, this was the IFBB's event, but here was this big Prussian son of a bitch standing there and trying to walk all over us. I interjected and asked Arnold why he was so reluctant to see the open class introduced.
"For some reason, that question pissed him off. He seemed like a guy out of control as he turned to face me, his upper lip curled around like a snarling animal. We were debating the issue of weight classes, but Arnold chose to snap at me, 'Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach!'
"I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him, but nevertheless I was surprised when Arnold sat down: I scared him! He sat as I continued to berate him. Wagging my finger at him, I told him, 'Look, Arnold, Boyer Coe said what he did as a gentleman - he didn't deserve that response. You're the one who's acting like a baby, literally! Arnold couldn't look me in the eye. He went from being a frantic hysterical adolescent to shrinking away like an injured child."
Not for the first time in the history of bodybuilding, Joe Weider stepped in and defused the situation. He advised Arnold to accept the voices of the other 15. The debate ended as Arnold proclaimed, "I withdraw my objection."
DECISION DOWN UNDER "Throughout that meeting, Arnold had on a tight-knit sweater that made him look skinny. I was curious to see what he looked like once he stripped down. When he did, I remember looking at him and thinking, Not only am I going to win this contest, but I'm going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger as well!
"When I was called fifth, I was totally shocked. It was just a ridiculous placing, made more ridiculous by an out-of-shape Arnold winning. As for the others who finished ahead of me, I knew Frank Zane [third], due to an accident he had sustained four months earlier, wasn't as good as he had been the previous year. I must say that Chris Dickerson [second] and Boyer Coe [fourth] were in phenomenal shape, particularly Chris. I felt he and I were the ones in absolute peak condition, and we should have been the top two.
"The majority of observers at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, with the exception of the judging panel, didn't have Arnold in the top five. The crowd booed Arnold at the contest's conclusion, and there were a number of things that took place during the prejudging that perhaps should have provided an indication that all was not as it should have been.
"Several of the judges were close friends of Arnold. Boyer Coe told me afterwards that he saw Reg Park, one of the judges, actually coaching Arnold from the officials' table. In contrast, Bill Pearl had honorably removed himself from the judging panel, as he had spent time training with Chris Dickerson.
"At times, the contest was like a circus. We had Franco Columbu - one of Arnold's weak-willed nambypamby lackeys - coming onstage with a towel, a comb and oil, to go through a little act with Arnold at the expense of everybody else. I could quote other anomalies, but possibly the most pertinent is that CBS Sports flew halfway around the world to tape the event and then never televised it. The word was that they were convinced it was a fix.
"The record may show Arnold Schwarzenegger as the 1980 Mr. Olympia champion, but he wasn't the best bodybuilder onstage that day - not by a mile."
In the immediate aftermath of the contest, several top names stated they would never compete again. They would later reverse their decisions and return to the contest dais. But even as he was announced fifth, Mike knew he would never compete again: "There was no way I was going to put myself through the same torturous process again for a similar reward. At no point since 1980 have I been even slightly tempted to consider the possibility of competing. I don't miss it."
Of all of its repercussions, it is difficult not to nominate Mike's premature retirement at 29 as being the major consequence of the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. It effectively denied the sport a view of the physique he could have built in future years.
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"watch out Mike there's Fraco right behind you with a pipe about to knock you down"
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31152.0;attach=28984;image)
Mike- "yeah right"
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By the way assclowns, this pic says it ALL
Arnold is getting smoked like a joint in this pic.
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Headline seen around the world. 8)
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Arnie won the 1980 MR. OLYMPIA, on the basis of his muscle SHAPE and not necessarily on the SIZE ,of his muscles;
the shape of ARNIE'S muscles,was a result of his INTELLIGENT AND EXPERIENCED conditioning ,
arnie's muscles were ripped to the bones!
so ARGUING -saying ARNIE was smaller in muscle size doesnt matter a lot ,
THE ARNIE OF 1973 -74 WAS HUGE AND BIG , FOR THE PRIMARY REASON OF DEFEATING THE HULK ! AND OTHER BIG GUYS ,
cause arnie was always a big bodybuilder with a huge body frame !
saying the MR OLYMPIA was fixed is again irrelevant , since even today , we can judge the mr.o 1980, personally -VIRTUALLY !
THE PHOTOS OF ARNIE RIPPED TO THE BONE SAY- SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS !!
MR.O - 1980 , WAS JUDGED ON THE BASIS , OF ARNIE'S MUSCLE SHAPE WITH THE REST OF THE REST !
ARNIE 1980 MUSCLE SHAPE = 1980 MR. OLYMPIA = RIGHTFUL WINNER !
THE 1979 MR.OLYMPIA WAS ALSO JUDGED ON THE BASIS OF THE SHAPE OF MUSCLES AND NOT MUSCLE SIZE !
FRANK ZANE WON BECAUSE HE HAD EXCELLENT , MUSCLE SHAPE !WAS MENTZER NOT BIGGER THAN ZANE IN 1979 - MR O ?
BUT THE SMALLER MAN - (ZANE ) WHO HAD BETTER MUSCLE SHAPE WON !
THE BIGGER MAN - MIKE MENTZER LOST !! WHY ?
CAUSE , MUSCLE SIZE DIDN'T COUNT !!!
MUSCLE SHAPE AND PROPORTION WAS COUNTED ... ! NOT MUSCLE SIZE !!!
MENTZER LOST IN 1979 , CAUSE OF HIS FAT BELLY AND AKWARD POSING AND UNDER DEVELOPED MUSCLE SHAPE !
IF MIKE MENTZER HAD BETTER MUSCLE SHAPE IN 1980 ... WHY DID MENTZER LOSE TO FRANK ZANE THE GUY WITH TOP MUSCLE SHAPE ? SO , SAYING MENTZER WAS IN BETTER MUSCLE SHAPE , IS WRONG AND FALSE , THE PHOTOS I SUPPLY WILL PROVE , THAT WHAT IS SAY IS TRUE !
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MY PHOTO ANALYSIS - JUDGEMENT OF MIKE'S AND ARNIE'S - 1980 MR. OLYMPIA COMPARISION !!!FIRST PHOTO - ARNIE RELAXED - ARNIE'S SHAPE OF OUTER CHEST, LOWER CHEST IS FAR SUPERIOR, THAN MIKE'S
ARNIE'S AB'S AND STOMACH ARE IN !
MIKE'S STOMACH -AB- BELLY IS FAT OR BIGGER -PROTUDING !
ARNIE'S LEG MUSCLE - INNER QUAD MUSCLE IS MUCH LONGER AND MUCH DEEPER THUS BETTER DEFINED
SECOND PHOTO -ARNIE BACK DOUBLE BICEP !
ARNIE'S UPPER TRAPS ARE BIGGER AND DEFINED!
INNER TRAPS OF ARNIE ARE EQUALLY PROPOTIONED AND SYMMETRICAL !
MENTZER'S RIGHT SIDE TRAP IS NOT EQUALLY DEVELOPED TO HIS LEFT SIDE TRAP !
ARNIE'S DELT SHAPE AND DELT BICEPS TIE - IN IS SUPERIOR TO MIKE'S IN SIZE AND AND SHAPE !
ARNIE'S BICEP AND TRICEP TIE IN IS MORE DEFINED !!
ARNIE HAD BETTER LOWER LAT SEPERATION AND HAD A X-MAS TREE !
ARNIE'S LOWER CALF DEVELOPMENT IS SOPERIOR TO MENTZER'S LACK OF LOWER CALF DEVELOPMENT !
THIRD PHOTO - ARNIE SIDE TWIST !ARNIE'S BICEP PEAK IS VISIBLE AND DEVELOPMENT IS HIGHER THAN DELT. SHAPE !
ARNIE'S LAT SWEEP AND THICKNESS OF LOWER LAT IS MORE SUPERIOR !
ARNIE'S SIDE LEG -OUTER LEG SWEEP IS PROMINENT AND DEFINED !
ARNIE'S SIDE CALF SHAPE AND DEFINITION IS SUPERIOR !
FOURTH PHOTO - ARNIE SIDE TWIST FRONT !
ARNIE'S SIDE CHEST COUPLED WITH HIS HUGE RIBCAGE IC NO COMPARISION TO POOR MIKE !
ARNIE'S SIDE TWIST -BICEP POSE - LOWER BICEP DEVELOPMENT IS LACKING IN MENTZER'S CASE !
MENTZER HAD NO LOWER BICEPS MUSCLE LENGTH AND THICKNESS !
ARNIE'S BICEPS - HUMERES MUSCLE -OUTER BICEP THICKNESS AND SHAPE IS BETTER THAN MIKE !
IN COMPARISION TO ARNIE , MENTZER'S CALF DEVELOPMENT , IS POOR AND LOWER CALF DEVELOPMENT IS NIL !
MENTZER'S CALF DOESNT COME OR LOWER ITSELF LIKE ARNIE'S !
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Someone's color happy. What an eye sore.
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MY PHOTO ANALYSIS - JUDGEMENT OF MIKE'S AND ARNIE'S - 1980 MR. OLYMPIA COMPARISION !!!FIRST PHOTO - ARNIE RELAXED - ARNIE'S SHAPE OF OUTER CHEST, LOWER CHEST IS FAR SUPERIOR, THAN MIKE'S
ARNIE'S AB'S AND STOMACH ARE IN !
MIKE'S STOMACH -AB- BELLY IS FAT OR BIGGER -PROTUDING !
ARNIE'S LEG MUSCLE - INNER QUAD MUSCLE IS MUCH LONGER AND MUCH DEEPER THUS BETTER DEFINED
SECOND PHOTO -ARNIE BACK DOUBLE BICEP !
ARNIE'S UPPER TRAPS ARE BIGGER AND DEFINED!
INNER TRAPS OF ARNIE ARE EQUALLY PROPOTIONED AND SYMMETRICAL !
MENTZER'S RIGHT SIDE TRAP IS NOT EQUALLY DEVELOPED TO HIS LEFT SIDE TRAP !
ARNIE'S DELT SHAPE AND DELT BICEPS TIE - IN IS SUPERIOR TO MIKE'S IN SIZE AND AND SHAPE !
ARNIE'S BICEP AND TRICEP TIE IN IS MORE DEFINED !!
ARNIE HAD BETTER LOWER LAT SEPERATION AND HAD A X-MAS TREE !
ARNIE'S LOWER CALF DEVELOPMENT IS SOPERIOR TO MENTZER'S LACK OF LOWER CALF DEVELOPMENT !
THIRD PHOTO - ARNIE SIDE TWIST !ARNIE'S BICEP PEAK IS VISIBLE AND DEVELOPMENT IS HIGHER THAN DELT. SHAPE !
ARNIE'S LAT SWEEP AND THICKNESS OF LOWER LAT IS MORE SUPERIOR !
ARNIE'S SIDE LEG -OUTER LEG SWEEP IS PROMINENT AND DEFINED !
ARNIE'S SIDE CALF SHAPE AND DEFINITION IS SUPERIOR !
FOURTH PHOTO - ARNIE SIDE TWIST FRONT !
ARNIE'S SIDE CHEST COUPLED WITH HIS HUGE RIBCAGE IC NO COMPARISION TO POOR MIKE !
ARNIE'S SIDE TWIST -BICEP POSE - LOWER BICEP DEVELOPMENT IS LACKING IN MENTZER'S CASE !
MENTZER HAD NO LOWER BICEPS MUSCLE LENGTH AND THICKNESS !
ARNIE'S BICEPS - HUMERES MUSCLE -OUTER BICEP THICKNESS AND SHAPE IS BETTER THAN MIKE !
IN COMPARISION TO ARNIE , MENTZER'S CALF DEVELOPMENT , IS POOR AND LOWER CALF DEVELOPMENT IS NIL !
MENTZER'S CALF DOESNT COME OR LOWER ITSELF LIKE ARNIE'S !
Thanks for that detailed analysis gimmick
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THANKS FOR THE VERY INSIGHTFUL, INTELLIGENT , WISE ,AND CAREFULLY STUDIED ANALYTICAL REPLIES!
INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE TOPIC AND AVOIDING THE TOPIC ...
I HAD FOOLISHLY , EXPECTED A EDUCATED AND CAREFULLY STUDIED , REPLY ...FOR WHICH I AM STILL EAGERLY AND HOPEFULLY AWAITING ..... !
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There are many false statements made in this thread. The majority of fans from my gym who attended the show felt Dickerson won. Mike and Frank were not the best. Arnold was the best bodybuilder there. The photo evidence supports that conclusion. People who know me know that I don't exaggerate or kiss butt. One could make a case for any of the top six being the best. Callendar won a big show in Sydney in 1979 and was very popular there. Padilla was never compared and was probably the best, size for size.
The one fact that made the difference is that Arnold was personal friends with many of the judges. Peter McCarthy was supposed to be the Australian judge and he missed the judges meeting so they put Brendan Ryan in instead. That alone was a travesty of the first order. In my analysis of the judges results (I have the original scoresheets somewhere) Chris would have won had they used Peter's score. Peter was a former Mr Australia on several occasions. Brendan was lucky to win a Junior title! What can I say? Brendan stayed at Arnold's place when he visited him in LA.
I will get around to writing another story about the contest. I gave my unpublished version to Mike in 1991. I imagine it got burned the next day! Who knows, it might be among the Mentzer archives. Mike would have easily won the 81 but several of the top guys boycotted that show. Ah, what might have been. All of this over a bodybuilding contest.
Yes, there was booing when Arnold won. However, there was more applause.
No doubt there has been a wealth of facts and opinions on Arnold vs Mentzer vs Weiders. But there's one MAJOR conflict I'm surprised everyone overlooked. One of the reasons Arnold competed in '80 WAS to put down Mentzer. And the reason was, Mike kept bragging about his scientific Heavy Duty methods being superior to the unscientific volume training that was championed by Arnold. This was a major insult to Arnold.
I think too many people get it wrong when predicting bodybuilding contests merely by looking at pics. It's not enough. Pictures don't tell whether one's muscles bounce around at the slightest movement. Pics don't tell charisma. Pics don't tell how good someone's posing routine is, or inspiring the music is, or audiences' reaction. The fact is, Arnold drew a massive amount of attention, as did Franco the next year. Both won, and we would have to be there to see why. It isn't politics or drugs. It's the 'heat of the moment' that captured everyone present.
One of the posts mentioned beforehand here, talked of how Shawn Ray should've beaten Dorian Yates in '94. I was there in the audience. And yes, while true, Shawn looked better than Dorian when they just stood there, EVERYONE in the whole place KNEW Dorian was the winner!! He out-posed and out-muscled all his competitors. During the posedown, the other main contenders focused their attention on Yates, while Yates focused on himself. Yates was a monster, with a killer back and killer legs. Pictures don't tell ANY of that. Last comment about that to further prove my point; Shawn Ray did the same posing routine and the same song that he used throughout his pro career up to that point. It was obvious he was mimicking Bob Paris' routine. It worked for Paris, but Shawn Ray was uninspiring. Sorry to say.
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By the way assclowns, this pic says it ALL
Nah, 1 pic means squat ... Menzer had it lost from the get-go, no chest, bad attitude, small.
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Arnold's pwning the shit outta Mentzer in those photos.
Nice putting to rest a 25 year old controversy!
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Mentzer was so tiny! :o
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Arnold owns nothing, and he knew it. You can see clearly in this pic that Arnold didn't DARE to look in the eyes of Mentzer.
By the way, this topic is just plain stupid. EVERYBODY in the bodybuilding world who were actually THERE all claim Mentzer should have won and Arnold shouldn't be 1st, nor should he be 8th but even BEHIND Tom Platz. And now all of a sudden all of you assclowns who maybe weren't even born at the time try to fool everybody by showing a couple of pics which indeed prove that Arnold was the "tall" man that night and making stupid statements why he dwarfed everybody and all that BS. Let me tell you something, taller and bigger doesn't necessarily mean "better". When are you assclowns going to understand that. It's because of you dumb people that bodybuilding is what it is today. The only thing you care about is ridiculous size and clowns like this guy right here in the second pic:
est post in a long time-stupid kids here who know nothing
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::) the thread title is fucking ridiculous. Arnie won cause it was fixed...and NO Mentzer should not have won, I believe it was Roy Callender who took second. You can debate and show the favorable Arnie shots you want all you want but that show was bullshit!
callender took 7th