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Anybody ever do these? I've been doing them capped off with a press. Pretty rough workout. 20-30 rep sets as fast as possible without hurting my form. It's really bringing the soreness and sweat. Anybody else have anything they do that isn't so ''bodybuilder-esque?"
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great for explosiveness, power, speed, not a typical bb'n move but works whole upper back trap complex, basically and speed version of a deady, cleans give that explosiveness and work the whole body. d1 lineman made me do them a few years after i started bb'n and from the 1st set i knew they were awesome. haven't done them in a while but they are in my rotation. they bridge you into being an athlete instead of a stereotypical slow bulky bb'r
stay with them, power cleans, hang cleans, snatches, one arm barbell cleans, yes one arm like the old style strongman, one arm bar or dumbell snatches, oly lifts are cool
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We do them in team training, but in small groups we don't.
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great for explosiveness, power, speed, not a typical bb'n move but works whole upper back trap complex, basically and speed version of a deady, cleans give that explosiveness and work the whole body. d1 lineman made me do them a few years after i started bb'n and from the 1st set i knew they were awesome. haven't done them in a while but they are in my rotation. they bridge you into being an athlete instead of a stereotypical slow bulky bb'r
stay with them, power cleans, hang cleans, snatches, one arm barbell cleans, yes one arm like the old style strongman, one arm bar or dumbell snatches, oly lifts are cool
I did some one armed after doing regular ones. It was rouuuuuuuuuugh. I saw a video of Aleksander Emelianenko doing one arms clean and presses with a 130 lb barbell. Ridiculous! Skip to 6:00 mark to see it. He's a beast.
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I do them regularly since all i have is a barbell with plates...Great workout thats for sure....
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Anybody ever do these? I've been doing them capped off with a press. Pretty rough workout. 20-30 rep sets as fast as possible without hurting my form. It's really bringing the soreness and sweat. Anybody else have anything they do that isn't so ''bodybuilder-esque?"
Great excercise, Bill Starr spoke about these in his book "The Strongest Shall Survive."
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Great excercise, Bill Starr spoke about these in his book "The Strongest Shall Survive."
Anyone on here who thinks they are advanced in olympic lifts (specifically cleans) should read 'Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe and Lon Kilgore. Some good stuff.
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http://topvelocity.net/coach-hatch-instructional-videos/
That's a good general OL video by the 2004 US mens coach. Skip around a little, the beginning is very basic and gets better from there.
On high rep OL lifts, complex training, etc.... It's great for endurance. I think this is a spot where kettlebells and dumbbells shine. With high rep barbell work on these lifts you really need a keen eye, as rack position, etc... does suffer a bit, easier to control with the kettle bells, etc...
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Add these along with cracked egg shells to your omlettes and falcone development will follow
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Add these along with cracked egg shells to your omlettes and falcone development will follow
I believe this is called a JETHRO TULL WORKOUT
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I believe this is called a JETHRO TULL WORKOUT
;D A classic for sure
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what are some mistakes to avoid in cleans
thanks in advance
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what are some mistakes to avoid in cleans
thanks in advance
This guy is the reason why I go to BU almost every year.....
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what are some mistakes to avoid in cleans
thanks in advance
Using too much weight.
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I believe this is called a JETHRO TULL WORKOUT
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That's seriously one of my favorite youtube videos. To think there is some dude out there doing such a thing is hilarious.
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Here's a lesson children....weights and drugs DO NOT MIX. Just say NO.
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Samuel Jackson does power cleans
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That's seriously one of my favorite youtube videos. To think there is some dude out there doing such a thing is hilarious.
Yea no doubt one for the GB history archives.
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I did some one armed after doing regular ones. It was rouuuuuuuuuugh. I saw a video of Aleksander Emelianenko doing one arms clean and presses with a 130 lb barbell. Ridiculous! Skip to 6:00 mark to see it. He's a beast.
very cool, they're fun and you get a real good feeling of being strong, total body move,,, i got up to a plate a side was my max. i remember the first time doing them, i was was surprised how difficult of course and mostly surprised at the amount of grip strength you need to balance and keep that barbell parallel to the floor, you really have to squeeze the life outta the middle of that bar
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This guy is the reason why I go to BU almost every year.....
nice vid coach,,, you can tell just by looking at him rack the bar with no weight hes good, nothing else needed, and to me the hardest part of the clean is racking it proper and getting the wrist flexibility to lay it in there. the lil jump, the front squat and the weight is easy after you get the rack position.
cleans are great, fun and exhausting, most people like oly lifts after they do them once
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Using too much weight.
exactly and getting into the rack position, using lighter or the right weight lets you train it proper
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I like dumbbell clean and press supersetted with burpees.
Twink Power!
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great for explosiveness, power, speed...
The great old deadlift is better for these in my opinion. The barbell speed and the weight used are pretty small in the power clean. Meaning it isn't particularly good for "true" explosiveness or used as a strength movement. It's a poor compromise between the two opposite ends.
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The great old deadlift is better for these in my opinion. The barbell speed and the weight used are pretty small in the power clean. Meaning it isn't particularly good for "true" explosiveness or used as a strength movement. It's a poor compromise between the two opposite ends.
Where is the explosive power in the deadlift ??? It's A to B with little technique required.
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This just created a hate for Kai Green I'm not sure I'll ever be able to get over.
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Where is the explosive power in the deadlift ??? It's A to B with little technique required.
Little technique (some might disagree) is a good thing if anything. People often forget that strength is a MAJOR component of power. Power clean weights are somewhere around 50 % to 60 % of deadlift max, and in this range the maximum strength plays the biggest part. In short: just get fucking stronger and your power clean and explosiveness increases.
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Little technique (some might disagree) is a good thing if anything. People often forget that strength is a MAJOR component of power. Power clean weights are somewhere around 50 % to 60 % of deadlift max, and in this range the maximum strength plays the biggest part. In short: just get fucking stronger and your power clean and explosiveness increases.
I don't even know what point is trying to be made anymore. I enjoy power cleans so much more than deadlifts ;D
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Are you trying to make a point of some kind? This "I post stupid pictures because I think you are not worth responding to" often happens when you attack intellectually dishonest dogma.
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Physics 101 is a course some of you guys need to take. "Deadlifts are better because more weight is used." Give me a break. In order to lift a heavy cleans you have to accelerate the bar at max force and speed. If you were standing on a force plate you would register heavier weight than a slow deadlift.
Both exercises are good but power cleans are hands down a better exercise for improving athletic function of power.
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Physics 101 is a course some of you guys need to take. "Deadlifts are better because more weight is used." Give me a break. In order to lift a heavy cleans you have to accelerate the bar at max force and speed. If you were standing on a force plate you would register heavier weight than a slow deadlift.
Both exercises are good but power cleans are hands down a better exercise for improving athletic function of power.
You have to"accelerate the bar at max force and speed" in the deadlift too. Just because acceleration is present it doesn't make the lift explosive. The speed of the bar in the powerclean is around the speed of a fast walking person. Does walking make you explosive? "power cleans are hands down a better exercise for improving athletic function of power." is just babble.
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Anybody ever do these? I've been doing them capped off with a press. Pretty rough workout. 20-30 rep sets as fast as possible without hurting my form. It's really bringing the soreness and sweat. Anybody else have anything they do that isn't so ''bodybuilder-esque?"
congrats on discovering what real cardio is, jamesblunt
this is what will get you shredded (along with a sound diet)...not walking on incline on a treadmill for 60minutes, 2 times a day
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http://www.cathletics.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=155 (http://www.cathletics.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=155)
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btw, I'm not a crossfit advocate but this workout is actually called "the grace"
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http://www.cathletics.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=155 (http://www.cathletics.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=155)
I'm waiting for the "Olympic running" and "Olympic swimming" from the author. ::)
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btw, I'm not a crossfit advocate but this workout is actually called "the grace"
This is EXACTLY why crossfit is such a joke and dangerous!
I particularly like the caption "Technique is not his strong suit"......if it's not his strong suit then why is he doing 30 reps?? No wonder why crossfit has to be self-insured ::)
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i always cringe when i see crossfitters doing cleans or other olympic lifts, they use light weight so they can get away with shitty form
part of the mike boyle video is not correct either, but i guess he is showing the basics of the lift and the rack position is the most crucial so i can understand
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So Crosshit is Oly for the mentally handicapped?
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not necessarily, my form would suffer too if i were to do 20 hang cleans, but the problem is that many crossfitters never learn the proper technique in the first place
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Anybody ever do these? I've been doing them capped off with a press. Pretty rough workout. 20-30 rep sets as fast as possible without hurting my form. It's really bringing the soreness and sweat. Anybody else have anything they do that isn't so ''bodybuilder-esque?"
various stuff with sandbags - deadlifting them, clean and pressing them, and just carrying them for distance. Your body will feel de-virginized if you've never done them.
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Agreed, sandbag and also keg training is an awesome workout. Nails your CNS like nothing else.
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Anybody ever do these? I've been doing them capped off with a press. Pretty rough workout. 20-30 rep sets as fast as possible without hurting my form. It's really bringing the soreness and sweat. Anybody else have anything they do that isn't so ''bodybuilder-esque?"
best exercise for wrecking the lower back, your doctor will thank you.
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I like crossfit workouts. I avoid the ones that involve high rep oly lifting and stick to the bodyweight ones, instead.
The one round every minute for 30 minutes of: 5 pull ups, 10 press ups and 15 squats is a killer.
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if your technique is good and it doesn't suffer during a workout, I see no problem with crossfit workouts
the fact that "technique wasn't his strong suit" isn't Crossfit's fault
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congrats on discovering what real cardio is, jamesblunt
this is what will get you shredded (along with a sound diet)...not walking on incline on a treadmill for 60minutes, 2 times a day
Great point mr no name. I've been trying circuit training and a lot of other high rep high intensity stuff for about the past 5 months and power cleans just fit in so well. This new training is so much more fun than the old basic bodybuilding. Seems like I'm getting more out of it also.
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best exercise for wrecking the lower back, your doctor will thank you.
Yeah I think that's when you go and try to max out and all that crazy heavy weight jazz. I'm working with weights like 95-135 (WHAT A BEAST) max. My back will be fine i'm sure.
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this is why most of the time you clean from blocks, to avoid a back injury in the long run
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Great point mr no name. I've been trying circuit training and a lot of other high rep high intensity stuff for about the past 5 months and power cleans just fit in so well. This new training is so much more fun than the old basic bodybuilding. Seems like I'm getting more out of it also.
i'm glad to hear this
If i were you, I would start getting familiar with the "Tabata Protocol", Kettlebells (yes- kettlebells) and Burpees and there many wonderful variations (i, personally, am a big fan of the Burpee power snatch)
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i'm glad to hear this
If i were you, I would start getting familiar with the "Tabata Protocol", Kettlebells (yes- kettlebells) and Burpees and there many wonderful variations (i, personally, am a big fan of the Burpee power snatch)
Joe Rogan has a circuit with kettlebells I've been interested in but my bitch ass can't afford them right now. So I've gotta stick with my barbells and dumbells for now. I'll certainly look into this tabata protocol.
''I just raised my workout weight to 60lbs for my standard routine tonight. Big fucking difference.
I was using 50lbs before, and the jump up to 60 was brutal.
I do it in a circuit:
10 swings each arm
6 alternate cleans each arm
5 clean, press, squats
4 push up then rows each arm
clean, rack, 10 squats
Then I repeat. It doesn't take very long to complete the routine, but god damn it's a hard work out, and I see big results in my grappling.
I was doing 50lbs for more reps, but I think to really up my strength I've got to move to eventually doing 3 circuits of 60, and then I'm going to move up to 70lbs.''
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Yeah I think that's when you go and try to max out and all that crazy heavy weight jazz. I'm working with weights like 950-1350 (WHAT A BEAST) max. My back will be fine i'm sure.
Little low, but there's always room for improvement.
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Little low, but there's always room for improvement.
I go from 20-30 reps and press it after each rep. For about 4 sets. I feel no shame lol.
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best exercise for wrecking the lower back, your doctor will thank you.
only if you try to move weight your not ready for oryour lower backed is not proper trained. someone with good form and posture with good strong lower back spinal erectors will only get stronger from these excercises, most people that wreck lower backs never had a proper trainer foundation and tried to make too big of jumps in weights. people that put time in and did things the right proper way from the beginning would be exempt from this.
smart athletes dont get injured through training much, maybe a nick or ding here and there, most docs get training injuries from weekend warriors,half wits or wannabes
power cleans and deady's are the best for back.
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I think I once read about one (1) weightlifter having a back injury...
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only if you try to move weight your not ready for oryour lower backed is not proper trained. someone with good form and posture with good strong lower back spinal erectors will only get stronger from these excercises, most people that wreck lower backs never had a proper trainer foundation and tried to make too big of jumps in weights. people that put time in and did things the right proper way from the beginning would be exempt from this.
smart athletes dont get injured through training much, maybe a nick or ding here and there, most docs get training injuries from weekend warriors,half wits or wannabes
power cleans and deady's are the best for back.
no comment.
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getting the wrist flexibility to lay it in there.
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Looks really hard on the wrists, especially if you're using a significant amount of weight.
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I think I once read about one (1) weightlifter having a back injury...
weightlifters powerlifters get injuries all the time it's the nature of the beast to constantly move more weight, you eventually hit a limit and sometimes when you try to exceed it well guess what?
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weightlifters powerlifters get injuries all the time it's the nature of the beast to constantly move more weight, you eventually hit a limit and sometimes when you try to exceed it well guess what?
Yeah that is clearly a elbow dislocation. I know injuries happen. But back injuries are almost unheard of.
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"But back injuries are almost unheard of."
Very true, having followed the sport for years, the most common injuries are dislocations. Followed by wrist injuries and misc. stuff like slipping on a bad platform, etc....
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tell that to my herniated discs and 6 , yes 6 hip replacements, i'm not going to tell you how much i could lift becauise that's irrelevant, longevity= injuries eventually in most cases.
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I know one of the guys on the practice squad for the Cowboys. They do a workout a week that is nothing but power cleans.