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dorian trained like a fuckin animal
but ronnie trained pretty hard himself
i cant decide
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serge and arnold pwn them both.
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dorian trained like a fuckin animal
but ronnie trained pretty hard himself
i cant decide
its you big guy, its you!!!!!!!!!
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i have watched them both train on video
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Ronnie lifted heavier weights but Dorian was very hardcore, especially his training partner.
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Ronnie lifted heavier weights but Dorian was very hardcore, especially his training partner.
yes his training partner leroy is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ronnie lifted heavier weights but Dorian was very hardcore, especially his training partner.
Doing deadlifts with 400 lbs is not very hardcore.. Ronnie was WAY more hardcore
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Doing deadlifts with 400 lbs is not very hardcore.. Ronnie was WAY more hardcore
;D
Dorian who?
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dorian or ronnie ???
i lose sleep at night
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RC lifted like a 12 year old biy, sloppy style and form, with heavy weight.
Dorian was perfect in form and used fairly heavy weight-no camparison, DY wins hands down.
::)
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who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
I would say Dorian's subjective intensity was higher, but Ronnie of course trained with heavier weights. They both trained very hard.
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I would say Dorian's subjective intensity was higher, but Ronnie of course trained with heavier weights. They both trained very hard.
I KNOW THEY BOTH TRAINED VERY HARD!!!!!!!!
BUT WHO
WHO
TRAINED THE HARDEST !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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I KNOW THEY BOTH TRAINED VERY HARD!!!!!!!!
BUT WHO
WHO
TRAINED THE HARDEST !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
of course Dorian, his mentality and focus toward training was like 100%,
while Ronnie trained hard but he was still having a bit of fun in between sets
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Ronnie.
Dorian never approached the poundages Ronnie handled.
So if the are both 5'10" and 300 lbs , the guy lifting the MUCH heavier weights is obviously working harder.
Dorian's heavy set was Ronnie's warmup Doz was a pussy in the gym, making noises while lifting baby weights.
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dorians form was ALOT more strict
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ronnie is black, dorian is a white english guy (dying breed). Ronnie dominates on all fronts.
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I would say Ronnie trained the hardest then Yates plus Ronnie lifted more heavey ass weights.
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the day after one of dorians olympia he was back to the gym doing legs, but as i recall ron would take off 2-3 months afterward
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Ronnie.
Dorian never approached the poundages Ronnie handled.
So if the are both 5'10" and 300 lbs , the guy lifting the MUCH heavier weights is obviously working harder.
Dorian's heavy set was Ronnie's warmup Doz was a pussy in the gym, making noises while lifting baby weights.
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its not about the poundages motherfuker
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ronnie does 3 warm ups on decline bench/db then 3 working sets, then 3 working sets on flat bench/db, then 3 working sets incline bench/db - all at weight much heavier than yates. also in his earlier years he would also do many worksets of tris during the same workout.
yates did 3 warmups then 2 worksets on bench then 2 worksets on a machine, then 2 worksets on flys - all with weights ronnie lifts every time he takes a piss.
ronnie is king 8)
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Dorain trained harder than Ronnie without a fucking shadow of a doubt.
Heavier weights don't equal higher intensity. Ronnie's form on some exercises was abysmal.
No one trains you harder than Leroy Davis - I've seen it first hand.
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Dorain trained harder than Ronnie without a fucking shadow of a doubt.
Heavier weights don't equal higher intensity. Ronnie's form on some exercises was abysmal.
No one trains you harder than Leroy Davis - I've seen it first hand.
leroy davis is the fuckn man if you got any stories lets hear em!
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serge and arnold pwn them both.
you are tripping. between yates and coleman it is really hard to say who trained harder. i think they trained with the same intensity, but the style was different.
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Robby Robinson :)
Frankly, the guy trains as hard at 61 as he did at 31
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Robby couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag.
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Coleman took steroids.
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of course Dorian, his mentality and focus toward training was like 100%,
while Ronnie trained hard but he was still having a bit of fun in between sets
Ronnie was better on the more basic lifts . Dorian was more mahcine like overall.
Hard to say who really did train "harder", both were classic hardcore , no frills style of trainers.
I have both the Coleman "That's Incredible " and Yates " Blood and Guts training videos.
Ronnies 2 resp with 800 along with all the incredible barbell lifting is incredible.
But for pure training value I would say Yates was more effective.
Most normal guys would get injured or NOT grow as much traing like Ronnie did with the loose form and heavy basic moves. Yates style is something ANYONE could use and make gains.
Arnold had the best overall form however , as seen in Pumping Iron.
Howard
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Dorian
Much better form and never cheated on a rep yet alone a whole set.
He also never took anytime off (perhaps 2 weeks at most), Ronnie on the other hand took months off in the year.
Just because Ronnie was stronger dosent mean he had more intensity than Dorian
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Ronnie.
Dorian never approached the poundages Ronnie handled.
So if the are both 5'10" and 300 lbs , the guy lifting the MUCH heavier weights is obviously working harder.
Dorian's heavy set was Ronnie's warmup Doz was a pussy in the gym, making noises while lifting baby weights.
Dorian was shoulder pressing the 150s for reps and was able to bench over 500lbs back in 91/92. Ronnie did the 160s weighing probably about 50lbs more in 2003. Dorian was barbell rowing 455 before the biceps tear with perfect form. Go in the gym and row a weight up with no swing or momentum. Coleman had stronger legs, I think Dorian was stronger on upper body.
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dorian wins by the most votes in this thread and goes through to the next round!!!
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Dorian was shoulder pressing the 150s for reps and was able to bench over 500lbs back in 91/92. Ronnie did the 160s weighing probably about 50lbs more in 2003. Dorian was barbell rowing 455 before the biceps tear with perfect form. Go in the gym and row a weight up with no swing or momentum. Coleman had stronger legs, I think Dorian was stronger on upper body.
Dude, I respect Dorian and all but NOBODY on the planet is rowing 455 with perfect form. that's a fucking fairy tale.
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Honestly on most back exercises it is more beneficial to cheat a little than to use "perfect" form.
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Dude, I respect Dorian and all but NOBODY on the planet is rowing 455 with perfect form. that's a fucking fairy tale.
exactamundo.
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Robby Robinson :)
Frankly, the guy trains as hard at 61 as he did at 31
Bullshit-I have seen RR train at Gold's Venice and there is no fucking way he trains like he used to.
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Robby couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag.
I'd say maybe they are even....
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Bullshit-I have seen RR train at Gold's Venice and there is no fucking way he trains like he used to.
To elucidate:
Robby still trains as hard as he did 30 years ago.
However, being 30 years older, the outcomes of his efforts, or energy output...however you want to put it, is significantly less due to age.
In his mind, his effort is commensurate with many years ago. The actual outcome is that he cannot do as much weight, endurance is less, etc.
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Dorain trained harder than Ronnie without a fucking shadow of a doubt.
Heavier weights don't equal higher intensity. Ronnie's form on some exercises was abysmal.
No one trains you harder than Leroy Davis - I've seen it first hand.
i agree
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We are debating which multi-Olympia winner trained the hardest......interesting to note both trained at what most of us would consider the shittiest, dirtiest, poorly equipped gyms we have ever seen.... I was shocked when I saw their training videos.......go figure........Old Skool training: Lift WEIGHTS to get big!
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dorian's training caused him to suffer major muscle tears very early on in his olympia career (94).
Ronnie didn't start to do damage until his 40's.
Ronnie not only trained harder, he trained more effectively since he didn't tear the shit of his body until he was entering the twilight of his career, unlike dorian who only won two titles before he became the one armed bandit :-*.
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To elucidate:
Robby still trains as hard as he did 30 years ago.
However, being 30 years older, the outcomes of his efforts, or energy output...however you want to put it, is significantly less due to age.
In his mind, his effort is commensurate with many years ago. The actual outcome is that he cannot do as much weight, endurance is less, etc.
No way, he MUST have trained harder in the 70's....
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of u let Dorian who was in blood and guts train with Ronnie int he unbelievable, dorian would have quit after the warm up sets (his max poundage)
no way could dorian keep up with ronnie's pace, poundages and volume
Ronnie easily trained the hardest
intensity is not your training partner yelling and screaming @ you
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dorian trained like a fuckin animal
but ronnie trained pretty hard himself
i cant decide
They both had a ton of injuries though!! They nearly died for you bitches!!
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Dorian trained harder, but I think Ronnie ended up getting more out of the training... Just in the overall look ('99 or '01)
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Well, one of them has more Sandows than the other... So, I'd say he got more out of the training... plus, he signed the largest deal in BB endorsements at one time.
How did Dorian get more out of training than Ronnie did?
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Coleman took steroids.
That's true!
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dorian used perfect form and never cheated?
what about those bent over rows that were so vertical they looked like shrugs ::)
you want bent over row look at ronnie. 8)
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i think that it is funny dorain was the one that uesd stirict form and got all the injuries. Roonie used form that pretty bad at some points, but never got hurt
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Casey Viator!!!! HIT all the way...
(http://www.caseyviator.com/roy_AND_casey.jpg)
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Neither could keep up with TOM PLATZ - Agreed?
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I'm sure there are a shitload of guys right here that train just as hard as either of them.
Max Effort=Max Effort whether you bench 315 or 550. Wev'e all done drop sets, negatives, supersets,giant sets, HIT style, volume, DC style.....you name it. In the search for muscle growth I would imagine anyone here who is serious about BBing has done some sick fucking shit and has killed his body to the point where he can't move the next day. If you haven't you're doing it wrong.
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I'm sure there are a shitload of guys right here that train just as hard as either of them.
Max Effort=Max Effort whether you bench 315 or 550. Wev'e all done drop sets, negatives, supersets,giant sets, HIT style, volume, DC style.....you name it. In the search for muscle growth I would imagine anyone here who is serious about BBing has done some sick fucking shit and has killed his body to the point where he can't move the next day. If you haven't you're doing it wrong.
put the pink dumbbells down sweetheart
if the bar aint bending youre just pretending!
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put the pink dumbbells down sweetheart
if the bar aint bending youre just pretending!
Any other cliches you'd like to toss at someone twice your size this fine morning Bluthole?
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Any other cliches you'd like to toss at someone twice your size this fine morning Bluthole?
twice the fat you mean
didnt you already fuck up by claiming ronnie trained harder in this thread just because he lifted heavier weights?
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dorian trained like a fuckin animal
but ronnie trained pretty hard himself
i cant decide
Ronnie did more sets and went heavier, but Dorian put more effort into the final injury-inducing set on each given excersise than Ronnie.
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twice the fat you mean
Right..... cuz your'e a FALCON this week ::) How about a pic of this new found rippedness :D
didnt you already fuck up by claiming ronnie trained harder in this thread just because he lifted heavier weights?
Yes I said that because I think Dorian is overrated, I really don't know or care which one trains harder any more than you do.
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In Ronnies video he does 495 for 10 reps in the bb row[by th eway,REAL bb rows as in bent over] while talking taking the weight out and this is AFTER pulling 800X2.Yates does his rows almost upright with over 100 lbs less.
Yates does 3 plates in the seated smith machine press for 6 good reps,Ronnie does 3 plates in the seated BB press for 12.Its not even close.Yates yells and screams more,but Ronnie is working MUCH harder and putting more effort in it.It reminds me of the scene in pumping Iron when Lou is yelling with his lungs training,but Arnold is grunting from his heart.Yates needs a guy screaming in his ears,Ronnie is by himself flipping up 200 lb dumbells and knocking out 12 reps with them.Not close.
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I'm sure there are a shitload of guys right here that train just as hard as either of them.
Max Effort=Max Effort whether you bench 315 or 550. Wev'e all done drop sets, negatives, supersets,giant sets, HIT style, volume, DC style.....you name it. In the search for muscle growth I would imagine anyone here who is serious about BBing has done some sick fucking shit and has killed his body to the point where he can't move the next day. If you haven't you're doing it wrong.
GOOD POST. Being strong does not = training hard. Training hard is relevent, I "think" I train pretty damn hard but someone else on here might not, I've worked out with a couple of people who swore they were monsters in the gym and I just kinda ::) when we were done.
I've done some whacky shit over the years...lol.
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GOOD POST. Being strong does not = training hard. Training hard is relevent, I "think" I train pretty damn hard but someone else on here might not, I've worked out with a couple of people who swore they were monsters in the gym and I just kinda ::) when we were done.
I've done some whacky shit over the years...lol.
Thanks.
Iv'e also worked out with people who thought they were SUPER HARDCORE that have just ground their bodies into dust, day after day,and never got anywhere. Every day it was HEAVY, high volume, drop set, negative to the point you can't even twitch the muscle on every set. Screaming, yelling.....the whole 9 yards. ::) just beat the shit outta myself is all, think I got smaller actually. I moved on rather quickly
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we already established that dorian trains harder and moved along.
the next thread is who trains harder - dorian or arnold.
please try to keep up.
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Many of us think that only an idiot would say Yates trained harder,so we wont move on.Many of us think that the builds speak for themselves and that Ronnie brought up his weak parts MUCH more then Yates ever did.Ronnies thighs were behind Cutlers,then ,in one year,his legs dwarfed Jays.Dorian never brought up his arms,never improved his chest, pretty much just looked the same[ but bigger] year after year.Ronnie would come in with a different body every year.What Ronnie did in 2003 proved he is the hardest training man in bodybuilding history.
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And, then there's that other guy who won 8 Olympia titles, who said "Stimulate; don't annihilate." ;D
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And, then there's that other guy who won 8 Olympia titles, who said "Stimulate; don't annihilate." ;D
Lee Priest?
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Many of us think that only an idiot would say Yates trained harder,so we wont move on.Many of us think that the builds speak for themselves and that Ronnie brought up his weak parts MUCH more then Yates ever did.Ronnies thighs were behind Cutlers,then ,in one year,his legs dwarfed Jays.Dorian never brought up his arms,never improved his chest, pretty much just looked the same[ but bigger] year after year.Ronnie would come in with a different body every year.What Ronnie did in 2003 proved he is the hardest training man in bodybuilding history.
hardest training?
remind me how ronnie brought his calves up?
ronnie for 2007 olympia went from doing 10-12 reps to 25 reps ! hows that for hard training? that's what refered to as "pumping" and "toning"
anyone who seen ronnie train in any of his videos see that he has plenty left in the tank and isnt close to failure
does he even do negatives? or have a training partner that push him? no he trains laughing and is never out of breath
plenty of time for a "yeah buddy" after each set.
dont confuse training hard with lifting heavy.
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hardest training?
remind me how ronnie brought his calves up?
ronnie for 2007 olympia went from doing 10-12 reps to 25 reps ! hows that for hard training? that's what refered to as "pumping" and "toning"
anyone who seen ronnie train in any of his videos see that he has plenty left in the tank and isnt close to failure
does he even do negatives? or have a training partner that push him? no he trains laughing and is never out of breath
plenty of time for a "yeah buddy" after each set.
dont confuse training hard with lifting heavy.
Perhaps, Ronnie gets better results the way he trains than he would, training like Yates.
The purpose of bodybuilding training is to find the style of training that makes YOU grow.
You don't get brownie points in competition for having a training partner, doing negatives, or even training in a beat-up gym.
Ronnie did what worked for him; and he has eight Sandows for his efforts. So does that other guy; I think they called him the "Awesome One", who again put it best, "Stimulate; don't annihilate!!".
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i think that it is funny dorain was the one that uesd stirict form and got all the injuries. Roonie used form that pretty bad at some points, but never got hurt
Ronnie never got hurt???? You must be REALLY new to the scene. Did you not see Ronnie's missing tricep and lat and shortened quad, etc....?? Kid, before you make ignorant statements, at least educate yourself on the topic at hand.
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Wow,Dorian went to failure.So,when he went to failure on his inclines,using 425 and getting 5 by himself and then getting help on three more,thats hardcore intensity.When Ronnie does 405X10 AFTER benching 500X5 and 405X12 thats not going to failure.Heres the point,Ronnie is able to train harder,longer,more reps,more weight because his genetics and mind allowed him to do it.Dorian does forced reps because hes used to getting help,Ronnie trains alone so he gets the reps by himself.I see bodybuilders all the time get "help" from training partners,but if they didnt get help,they couldnt lift crap.When that same guy trains with someone who wont help,they just die on the set.Let Dorian train alone and see what kind of weights and reps he handles.My bet is,not much and not many.
I wasnt aware calves were more important then arms and chest.
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Perhaps, Ronnie gets better results the way he trains than he would, training like Yates.
The purpose of bodybuilding training is to find the style of training that makes YOU grow.
You don't get brownie points in competition for having a training partner, doing negatives, or even training in a beat-up gym.
Ronnie did what worked for him; and he has eight Sandows for his efforts. So does that other guy; I think they called him the "Awesome One", who again put it best, "Stimulate; don't annihilate!!".
correct me if im wrong but isnt this a thread about who trained the hardest?
now what part of that dont you understand?
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Wow,Dorian went to failure.So,when he went to failure on his inclines,using 425 and getting 5 by himself and then getting help on three more,thats hardcore intensity.When Ronnie does 405X10 AFTER benching 500X5 and 405X12 thats not going to failure.Heres the point,Ronnie is able to train harder,longer,more reps,more weight because his genetics and mind allowed him to do it.Dorian does forced reps because hes used to getting help,Ronnie trains alone so he gets the reps by himself.I see bodybuilders all the time get "help" from training partners,but if they didnt get help,they couldnt lift crap.When that same guy trains with someone who wont help,they just die on the set.Let Dorian train alone and see what kind of weights and reps he handles.My bet is,not much and not many.
I wasnt aware calves were more important then arms and chest.
but he wasnt training harder.
thats the point. the rest you can leave for some other thread.
dorian pushed himself more than ronnie ever did. = he trained harder.
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Pushed himself harder how?He trained MUCH lighter,needed a guy to yell in his ear to motivate him,did much less reps then Coleman,did less sets,didn't win as much,didn't have as great a build,so you base it on what?Because his goof partner would yell "business as usual".
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correct me if im wrong but isnt this a thread about who trained the hardest?
now what part of that dont you understand?
The point of training hard or "hardest" is getting RESULTS, which are manifested in bodybuilding competition. I could (in theory, at least) train harder than Dorian Yates. But, if I can hardly more and my severly sore muscles look like mush, what's the point?
So, the question should be, whose training gleaned the best results for his body. If Coleman gets better results by NOT (or rarely) training to failure and using higher volume, training to failure or "high intensity", just for the sake of training the "hardest" (like Dorian Yates) is just plain silly.
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Pushed himself harder how?He trained MUCH lighter,needed a guy to yell in his ear to motivate him,did much less reps then Coleman,did less sets,didn't win as much,didn't have as great a build,so you base it on what?Because his goof partner would yell "business as usual".
it's clear to anyone who seen dorian train that he pushes himself to the absolute limit.
however the same can not be said about ronnie - whenever he trains he looks like he's got plenty left in the tank. how can you claim otherwise?
apparantely you havent seen either one of them train.
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it's clear to anyone who seen dorian train that he pushes himself to the absolute limit.
however the same can not be said about ronnie - whenever he trains he looks like he's got plenty left in the tank. how can you claim otherwise?
apparantely you havent seen either one of them train.
But, they are/were both BODYBUILDERS; and, at the end of day, they got paid for HOW THEY LOOKED, not what it took to get them to that point.
Ronnie Coleman did what he needed to do in the gym to stimulate his muscles and have them grow. And his Sandows are no less important than those of Yates, simply because "he's got plenty left in the tank", after his training sessions.
I remember another all-time great bodybuilder who didn't train to failure and even recommended that you leave a little something for the next workout. You may have heard of him: Bill Pearl, 4-time NABBA Mr. Universe.
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But, they are/were both BODYBUILDERS; and, at the end of day, they got paid for HOW THEY LOOKED, not what it took to get them to that point.
Ronnie Coleman did what he needed to do in the gym to stimulate his muscles and have them grow. And his Sandows are no less important than those of Yates, simply because "he's got plenty left in the tank", after his training sessions.
I remember another all-time great bodybuilder who didn't train to failure and even recommended that you leave a little something for the next workout. You may have heard of him: Bill Pearl, 4-time NABBA Mr. Universe.
thats besides the point
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BLuto is getting epicly owned by Billy Minmaugh who obviously knows alot about trainign and BB and isnt your typical getbig 105 lb pencil neck
the guys that could match Ronnie in intensity/hard training would be branch warren, tom platz- you put dorian in with any of those guys and he wouldnt last 10 minutes
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however the same can not be said about ronnie - whenever he trains he looks like he's got plenty left in the tank. how can you claim otherwise?
apparantely you havent seen either one of them train.
no apparently you havn't seen them train - ronnie did a 800lbs deadlift for 2 reps ( utter failure)- are you telling me you felt he had plenty left in the tank after that?
dorian couldn't dream of that amount of weight, work, effort, intensity or muscle
ronnie also did bench presses in cost of redemption and clearly went to failure. also at weights dorian could never lift on his best day ::)
bluto - you need to admit defeat here. you dont have a leg to stand on.
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no apparently you havn't seen them train - ronnie did a 800lbs deadlift for 2 reps ( utter failure)- are you telling me you felt he had plenty left in the tank after that?
dorian couldn't dream of that amount of weight, work, effort, intensity or muscle
ronnie also did bench presses in cost of redemption and clearly went to failure. also at weights dorian could never lift on his best day ::)
bluto - you need to admit defeat here. you dont have a leg to stand on.
i agree here, Ronnie handled more weight for more reps on everything but i disagree with Billy Mimnaugh when he said the Ronnie didn't get any help on his benches, Brian Dobson helped him on his benches, inclines and declines on COR, he had fingers on the bar on Ronnie's last 2 reps with 495 and fingers on the bar on reps 8 and 9 on the 405 incline set.
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no apparently you havn't seen them train - ronnie did a 800lbs deadlift for 2 reps ( utter failure)- are you telling me you felt he had plenty left in the tank after that?
dorian couldn't dream of that amount of weight, work, effort, intensity or muscle
ronnie also did bench presses in cost of redemption and clearly went to failure. also at weights dorian could never lift on his best day ::)
bluto - you need to admit defeat here. you dont have a leg to stand on.
if that 2 rep workout was a typical ronnie workout i would agree. but it wasnt.
a typical ronnie workout was 10-12 reps. or 25 reps on his last year.
dorians training style was all about intensity. ronnies wasnt.
not even ronnie himself would claim he was training harder than dorian.
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if that 2 rep workout was a typical ronnie workout i would agree. but it wasnt.
a typical ronnie workout was 10-12 reps. or 25 reps on his last year.
dorians training style was all about intensity. ronnies wasnt.
not even ronnie himself would claim he was training harder than dorian.
600-625 for 12 on deadlifts and 600 for 12 on barbell squats is still far more than Dorian could dream of.
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600-625 for 12 on deadlifts and 600 for 12 on barbell squats is still far more than Dorian could dream of.
but maybe ronnie needs to go down to 6 reps to push himself as hard as dorian did?
which would mean even higher weight, but since the weight alone dont mean shit it doesnt matter.
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How did Dorian get more out of training than Ronnie did?
because he tore his arm badly at the start of his olympia reign?
that must be it.
lol
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Well i guess there totally different. For all out strength, Ronnie, but for intensity it would have to be Dorian. People make the mistake of thinking that if you are stronger than someone else, you train harder than them. How hard you train all comes down to intensity.
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because he tore his arm badly at the start of his olympia reign?
that must be it.
lol
maybe if ronnie trained as hard as dorian, he would've won even more
his change to 25 reps and training in his own gym for 2007 mr olympia sure didnt help did it
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totally agree
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In Ronnies video he does 495 for 10 reps in the bb row[by th eway,REAL bb rows as in bent over] while talking taking the weight out and this is AFTER pulling 800X2.Yates does his rows almost upright with over 100 lbs less.
Yates does 3 plates in the seated smith machine press for 6 good reps,Ronnie does 3 plates in the seated BB press for 12.Its not even close.Yates yells and screams more,but Ronnie is working MUCH harder and putting more effort in it.It reminds me of the scene in pumping Iron when Lou is yelling with his lungs training,but Arnold is grunting from his heart.Yates needs a guy screaming in his ears,Ronnie is by himself flipping up 200 lb dumbells and knocking out 12 reps with them.Not close.
;)
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maybe if ronnie trained as hard as dorian, he would've won even more
his change to 25 reps and training in his own gym for 2007 mr olympia sure didnt help did it
it probably wouldn't matter if he did the heavy duty style of low reps or lots of reps, he is in his mid 40's now. and he can't change that.
Dorian could never do what Ronnie did for so long.
Ronnie was still winning Mr. O's at an age where dorian was serving the booth at the expos and getting punched in the eyes..lol
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thats besides the point
No, it's not. When you're talking about bodybuilding, you're talking about training that stimulates the most muscle growth....WITHOUT causing major injuries.
Both Bill Pearl and Lee Haney trained hard and smart. Haney's motto: "Stimulate; don't annhilate". Pearl's motto: "Train, don't strain.
Both build world-class physiques without suffering severe injuries; both won the most prestigious titles of their respective eras; and both men retired, winning their last titles at their best, something that can't be said for either Yates or Coleman.
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Difficult to compare the two of them. Yates admitted himself that Ronnie used more weight then ever did. But intensity is relative. I haven't seen that much footage of Ronnie training but from what I've seen, it's like he found some middleground between Yates "powerbuilding" method and the classic high-volume method. I think that without Yates there wouldn't have been a guy like Coleman. Besides, I think Coleman was blessed with much better genetics than Yates, which somehow adds to Yates' merits. Both suffered injuries but Coleman's body gave up much later than Dorian's.
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No, it's not. When you're talking about bodybuilding, you're talking about training that stimulates the most muscle growth....WITHOUT causing major injuries.
Both Bill Pearl and Lee Haney trained hard and smart. Haney's motto: "Stimulate; don't annhilate". Pearl's motto: "Train, don't strain.
Both build world-class physiques without suffering severe injuries; both won the most prestigious titles of their respective eras; and both men retired, winning their last titles at their best, something that can't be said for either Yates or Coleman.
yes it's besides the point.
this thread is about who trained the hardest. period.
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I would say Ronnie all the way. I've seen all the videos and it's clearly Ronnie. Since when is high volume not high intensity? It would be different if Ronnie was doing 25 sets for chest and only benching 135lbs, but that is not the case. It's easier for me to get under the squat rack and do one heavy ass balls to the wall set than to pump out 25 sets of heavy ass leg presses, squats, hack squats, walking lunges, and leg extensions. At the end of balls to wall squat session I can walk just fine, but by the end of a hardcare marathon I can barely get out of the gym.
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I would say Ronnie all the way. I've seen all the videos and it's clearly Ronnie. Since when is high volume not high intensity? It would be different if Ronnie was doing 25 sets for chest and only benching 135lbs, but that is not the case. It's easier for me to get under the squat rack and do one heavy ass balls to the wall set than to pump out 25 sets of heavy ass leg presses, squats, hack squats, walking lunges, and leg extensions. At the end of balls to wall squat session I can walk just fine, but by the end of a hardcare marathon I can barely get out of the gym.
exactly, Ronnie was a freak of nature not only in terms of physique but in his ability to tolerate A LOT of heavy sets and reps, A LOT of food and ALOT of drugs.
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I would say Ronnie all the way. I've seen all the videos and it's clearly Ronnie. Since when is high volume not high intensity? It would be different if Ronnie was doing 25 sets for chest and only benching 135lbs, but that is not the case. It's easier for me to get under the squat rack and do one heavy ass balls to the wall set than to pump out 25 sets of heavy ass leg presses, squats, hack squats, walking lunges, and leg extensions. At the end of balls to wall squat session I can walk just fine, but by the end of a hardcare marathon I can barely get out of the gym.
Add to the equation the fact that, until recently, all of that training took place in that sweatshop, disguised as a gym, called MetroFlex.
As you've probably noticed, this really isn't about soliticing your opinion (or that of anyone else). Bluto has clearly indicated that mentioning anyone, not named Dorian Yates, constitutes a wrong answer.
And lost in all of this is the fact that bodybuilders get no pats on the head for training "high intensity". It's the end result, not the process that gleaned such, that gets judged onstage.
If you have a better physique than I do and we compete against each other, NOBODY is going to care if I trained "harder" than you.
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Screaming at the gym is not the same as training hard. Apart from the high rep squat and deadlift there isn't a very hard exercise in the gym. Its just the bad condition of the pro bodybuilders (who can't walk upstairs two flats without reaching max pulse) which make it look so hard.
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Screaming at the gym is not the same as training hard. Apart from the high rep squat and deadlift there isn't a very hard exercise in the gym. Its just the bad condition of the pro bodybuilders (who can't walk upstairs two flats without reaching max pulse) which make it look so hard.
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intensity? ronnie?
screaming "yeah baddy!! " at the top of your lungs does not constitue intensity.
swinging the heaviest weights = training with the highest intensity
is a common newb mistake
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intensity? ronnie?
screaming "yeah baddy!! " at the top of your lungs does not constitue intensity.
swinging the heaviest weights = training with the highest intensity
is a common newb mistake
we can't all train as hard as you big guy. ::)
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flex trained harder than both of them
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flex trained harder than both of them
Yep sure but you forgot to mention my grandmother. She actually had the exact same routine as Flex. She stuck with it for all those years during which she never once went to the gym.
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maybe if you put down the cheetos, and actually stepped into a gym
you could contribute.
we can't all train as hard as you big guy. ::)
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intensity? ronnie?
screaming "yeah baddy!! " at the top of your lungs does not constitue intensity.
swinging the heaviest weights = training with the highest intensity
is a common newb mistake
Dorian, Bluto, Squadfather, me and you would be throwing up if we were trying to workout and keep up with Ronnie Coleman. Squadfather is right, Ronnie Coleman is a freak of nature in terms his ablity to handle tons of volume with very heavy weight. If anybody in this thread tried to workout like this it would be overtraining and we would not see results (even if we ate the same and took the same amount of drugs). The majority of the population would clearly benefit more from Yates' approach, because the majority of population does not recover like Ronnie Coleman. For fucks sake I believe he works each bodypart twice per week.
Ronnie Coleman = A freak of nature
Dorian Yates = A blue colar guy that works out very hard.
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Dorian, Bluto, Squadfather, me and you would be throwing up if we were trying to workout and keep up with Ronnie Coleman. Squadfather is right, Ronnie Coleman is a freak of nature in terms his ablity to handle tons of volume with very heavy weight. If anybody in this thread tried to workout like this it would be overtraining and we would not see results (even if we ate the same and took the same amount of drugs). The majority of the population would clearly benefit more from Yates' approach, because the majority of population does not recover like Ronnie Coleman. For fucks sake I believe he works each bodypart twice per week.
Ronnie Coleman = A freak of nature
Dorian Yates = A blue colar guy that works out very hard.
You don't need to be a "freak of nature" to train a bodypart twice a week and recover from such training. Again, I refer to Bill Pearl as a prime example. The volume would likely have to be modest, gradually increasing over time. And, training to failure would have to be done sparingly or eliminated.
BTW, wouldn't Ronnie also qualify as a blue-collar guy? After all, he used to be a full-time police officer and was such during his first three years as Mr. Olympia.
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You don't need to be a "freak of nature" to train a bodypart twice a week and recover from such training. Again, I refer to Bill Pearl as a prime example. The volume would likely have to be modest, gradually increasing over time. And, training to failure would have to be done sparingly or eliminated.
BTW, wouldn't Ronnie also qualify as a blue-collar guy? After all, he used to be a full-time police officer and was such during his first three years as Mr. Olympia.
Training twice per week is doable, but for most people it is not doable with the volume, intensity, and weight that Ronnie Coleman uses.
Your right both Coleman and Yates are blue collar guys, but when I think of Ronnie Coleman the first thing that comes to mind is "genetic freak" and when I think of Yates the first think that comes to mind is blue collar worker.
Either way both guys are great.
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yes
dorian trained harder.
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Dorian
hands dowm
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Coleman by a country mile.
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dorian by a sunshine boulevard
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Dorian trained the hardest.
How is it you fools think the one who lifts the most, trains the hardest?
Let's say there's two guys in the gym
One is benching 200 pounds.
The other is benching 300 pounds.
The first guy is struggling like a motherfuckre getting that 200 pounds up. Where as it comes easy for the second guy. Maybe the second guy need to move up to 400 pounds to struggle as much as the first guy.
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Yates was a total fraud and a phony. he took more drugs than anyone. he would even soak his blood in gh overnight and then reinject it.
his body was truly repellent with its enormous gut and racist tattoos.
coleman kills this hideous tattooed racist pos
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Yates was a total fraud and a phony. he took more drugs than anyone. he would even soak his blood in gh overnight and then reinject it.
his body was truly repellent with its enormous gut and racist tattoos.
coleman kills this hideous tattooed racist pos
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but he trained the hardest. and thats the subject.
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prove it.
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if dorian rested for 5mins inbetween sets, didnt use full ROM etc etc,, you would see a much bigger weight on the bar..... ive never seen anyone put so much effort and be so bloody single minded in what there doin,,, dont get me wrong, coleman trained hard as anyone, but he didnt push him self to the limit...
if training with out goin to complete failure doesnt constitute training hard, then your in the wrong sport and you should swap over to power lifting, they lift fuck off huge weights all day long, rarely goin to failure...
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Dorian trained harder.
Hope this helps.
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Dorian trained harder.
Hope this helps.
It doesn't. Thanks anyway. :)
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coleman..
by far....
not even close
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coleman..
by far....
not even close
exactly.
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dorian is focused...
but coleman is a beast
and though he yells and stuff.. he is focused...
deadlifts up to 800 pounds starting from 225
then
row up to 405 starting from 225
then
tbar rows up to 12 plates
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after which he did biceps...
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also 200 dumbell presses starting from 90lbs or 100
12 reps with 200lbs
after which
he went and did incline preses up to 200 for 8 reps
as focused as dorian was...
he can only dream of such things
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Dorian was screaming with incline dumbell flies ::) Struggling on the incline press despite a spotter. It was clear that his training style was center around ASS use, and would not work for the average joe(as with all heavy duty methods). Dorian's training also centered around machines. Harder my ass.
Ronnie used more sets and used heavy weights throughout. He also did more compound movements and didn't use many machines.
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dorian wins.
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Ronnie Wins
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yes he does.
he trained harder and it shows with his far superior physique. 8)
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yes he does.
he trained harder and it shows with his far superior physique. 8)
hahahaha, exactly, i love how Dorian's nuthuggers like to bring up his "hardness" and "graniness" and Ronnie is owning the shit out of him in both categories there.
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hahahaha, exactly, i love how Dorian's nuthuggers like to bring up his "hardness" and "graniness" and Ronnie is owning the shit out of him in both categories there.
exactly.
when Ronnie at at his very best its no contest - in the gym OR onstage :P
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Training twice per week is doable, but for most people it is not doable with the volume, intensity, and weight that Ronnie Coleman uses.
Where did you get that...most top BBs of the last 4-5 decades worked the muscle twice weekly, not once as is in vogue now. Including bulking phases with heavy weight.
As far as the volume, it wasn't extremely high plus he often used that to cut and refine, such as with arms, which was done for years in BB. Nothing unusual there.
Yates intensity seems to be mainly about someone screaming in his ear. He's almost standing up on those BB rows.
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Dorian used machines.How is doing leg press and hack squats possibly training harder then a guy doing front squats with 585[by the way,he drops it on the floor,that would seem like going to failure]and 800 pound squats?How is doing machine pullovers harder then t-bar rowing 12 plates?Ever see Dorians PATHETIC excuse for deadlifts.Those ARE NOT deadlifts.Dorian did easy movements,fairly light,yelled and screamed for no reason,and had a goof screaming in his ear.Ronnie just pounds heavy ass weights with basic movements.Not close.It takes A LOT more effort and intensity to bench 500 for reps and then do inclines with 405X10,then it does doing just inclines with 425 and getting help.Not close,Ronnie kills him in everyway.
By the way,Ronnies 800X2 deadlift is to failure,he couldnt have completed another rep.Dorian gets help on EVERY single movement,Ronnie stops when he cant get more by himself,thats called going to failure.Dorian just goes with another guy helping.
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Dorian used machines.How is doing leg press and hack squats possibly training harder then a guy doing front squats with 585[by the way,he drops it on the floor,that would seem like going to failure]and 800 pound squats?How is doing machine pullovers harder then t-bar rowing 12 plates?Ever see Dorians PATHETIC excuse for deadlifts.Those ARE NOT deadlifts.Dorian did easy movements,fairly light,yelled and screamed for no reason,and had a goof screaming in his ear.Ronnie just pounds heavy ass weights with basic movements.Not close.It takes A LOT more effort and intensity to bench 500 for reps and then do inclines with 405X10,then it does doing just inclines with 425 and getting help.Not close,Ronnie kills him in everyway.
By the way,Ronnies 800X2 deadlift is to failure,he couldnt have completed another rep.Dorian gets help on EVERY single movement,Ronnie stops when he cant get more by himself,thats called going to failure.Dorian just goes with another guy helping.
but thats not ronnies regular routine so it doesnt count. i already responded to this earlier in this thread. dont post unless you got something new to add.
so far dorian wins.
and it doesnt look like anyone is able to change that.
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Yeah,because YOU say so.A guy that uses machines and takes the easy way out, trains harder then a guy who uses free weights.Anyone on here,who actually lifts weights,would giggle at the idea that machines are even being compared to free weights.However,there is one thing that cant be argued,Ronnie was bigger,more muscular and won more Olympias,and thus was clearly the harder trainer.NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT.
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Yeah,because YOU say so.A guy that uses machines and takes the easy way out, trains harder then a guy who uses free weights.Anyone on here,who actually lifts weights,would giggle at the idea that machines are even being compared to free weights.However,there is one thing that cant be argued,Ronnie was bigger,more muscular and won more Olympias,and thus was clearly the harder trainer.NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT.
but being bigger, more muscular and winning more olympias doesnt mean he trained harder. if so lee haney would have trained harder than schwarzenegger, did he? and jay cutler training harder than ronnie, is he?
you fail.
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Jay Cutler is NOT BIGGER,MORE MUSCULAR or has he won more Olympias then Ronnie.In fact,if you compare both at their peaks ,its clear that Jay uses light weights and pumps and Ronnie lifts heavy.I dint know if Lee Haney trained harder then Arnold or not,I haven't seen any videos of them,I have seen Ronnie's video and Dorians video and there is no comparison there.
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Jay Cutler is NOT BIGGER,MORE MUSCULAR or has he won more Olympias then Ronnie.In fact,if you compare both at their peaks ,its clear that Jay uses light weights and pumps and Ronnie lifts heavy.I dint know if Lee Haney trained harder then Arnold or not,I haven't seen any videos of them,I have seen Ronnie's video and Dorians video and there is no comparison there.
yes there's no comparison there - dorian trains harder.
to illustrate that ronnie trains harder you give the examples of his 2 rep deadlifts - but since they are not typical for his workout we know that he trains MUCH lighter MOST of the time. which means he DOES NOT push himself as hard as he can.
dorian however is, and does. ALL THE TIME!
conclusion: dorian trains harder.
dorian wins.
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Ronnie trains way harder than Dorian, not even close.
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Ronnie trains way harder than Dorian, not even close.
you still here? you still think that someone trains harder because they move a heavier weight? you that stupid after all those years in the gym? that level of stupidity is mindblowing.
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it's not like a race where there is a clear cut winner, you can't say this guy trained harder than that guy cause they're both training as hard as they and using the techniques that got results for them, dorian used some machines cause those work better for some of the concepts he used when he was training, ronnie did alot of powerlifting type movements cause those worked best for him. I'm sure they both put forth 100% effort when they had to.
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yes there's no comparison there - dorian trains harder.
to illustrate that ronnie trains harder you give the examples of his 2 rep deadlifts - but since they are not typical for his workout we know that he trains MUCH lighter MOST of the time. which means he DOES NOT push himself as hard as he can.
dorian however is, and does. ALL THE TIME!
conclusion: dorian trains harder.
dorian wins.
No, he doesn't!!! Dorian, by his own admission, didn't train that hard all the time. Otherwise, he'd have even MORE injuries than he currently does.
And, lost in all of this is, yet again, he is a bodybuilder. Once he stepped onstage, NOBODY CARED how hard he allegedly trained. The only thing that counted was the finished product.....HIS PHYSIQUE.
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Dorian trained the hardest.
How is it you fools think the one who lifts the most, trains the hardest?
Let's say there's two guys in the gym
One is benching 200 pounds.
The other is benching 300 pounds.
The first guy is struggling like a motherfuckre getting that 200 pounds up. Where as it comes easy for the second guy. Maybe the second guy need to move up to 400 pounds to struggle as much as the first guy.
PLEASE!!!
The guy struggling with 200 lbs, as you described, is likely using lousy form, bouncing the weight off his chest, and trying to hump the bar up (the roof of the gym will smoke a cigarette, afterwards).
Whereas, the other guy is using decent form and actually working his chest, with the 300 lbs. End result: the guy using 300 lb. will have a well-developed chest, while Mr. "Hard worker" will have no chest, cracked ribs, and a bruised ego.
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No, he doesn't!!! Dorian, by his own admission, didn't train that hard all the time. Otherwise, he'd have even MORE injuries than he currently does.
And, lost in all of this is, yet again, he is a bodybuilder. Once he stepped onstage, NOBODY CARED how hard he allegedly trained. The only thing that counted was the finished product.....HIS PHYSIQUE.
you retarded? serious question.
how many times have i explained to you the purpose of this thread and yet you dont understand?
the only thing that COUNTS in THIS THREAD is who trains the hardest.
get it?
want me to use bigger letters?
just let me know man. ill use letters in color even.
whatever it takes.
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PLEASE!!!
The guy struggling with 200 lbs, as you described, is likely using lousy form, bouncing the weight off his chest, and trying to hump the bar up (the roof of the gym will smoke a cigarette, afterwards).
Whereas, the other guy is using decent form and actually working his chest, with the 300 lbs. End result: the guy using 300 lb. will have a well-developed chest, while Mr. "Hard worker" will have no chest, cracked ribs, and a bruised ego.
why is that likely?
and its not about the end result.
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Of cource Ronnie didnt work up to 800X2 every workout.In fact,on the tape,he says its the first time he ever did it.However,he certainly did work up to the high 600s and low 700s and did reps with that.Dorian,in his tape works up to 500 and doesnt even deadlift,we call what he did "DIMEL DEADLIFTS" but THEY ARE NOT DEADLIFTS.Ronnie does his bent rows as BENT ROWS.Dorian darn near stands straight up and down.Dorian uses machines,to make it easy,Ronnie uses free weights.
Heres the bottom line,Ronnie uses more weight,more reps,more workouts,more sets and its obvious more intensity because lifting heavy takes intensity.If Ronnie used Dorians weights,he would have to do 50 reps a set.Dorian needs a guy to hand him 100 pound dumbells,Ronnie flips up 200 pounders and knocks out 12 reps.Everthing Ronnie did was heavier,harder,and much more hardcore.By the way,no squats for Dorian?That IS NOT intense.
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I've never been a fan of Diet Coke.....now that Coke Zero shit is ah-ight!!
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I've never been a fan of Diet Coke.....now that Coke Zero shit is ah-ight!!
I can't drink either. Diet Dr Pepper is good though.
Of course, NOTHING beats mcdonalds sweet tea.
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it's not like a race where there is a clear cut winner, you can't say this guy trained harder than that guy cause they're both training as hard as they and using the techniques that got results for them, dorian used some machines cause those work better for some of the concepts he used when he was training, ronnie did alot of powerlifting type movements cause those worked best for him. I'm sure they both put forth 100% effort when they had to.
Sounds like the voice of reason. At last. The rest is just fans of one or the other trying to rationalize what's merely a matter of taste. Not unlike an argument between Whitney Houston fans and Mariah Carey's.
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you retarded? serious question.
how many times have i explained to you the purpose of this thread and yet you dont understand?
the only thing that COUNTS in THIS THREAD is who trains the hardest.
get it?
want me to use bigger letters?
just let me know man. ill use letters in color even.
whatever it takes.
Why do you think Dorian Yates started training like that? It wasn’t just for the sake of training nor was it so that people could pat him on the head and tell him how “hardcore” he is. Dorian did so for one reason: IMPROVING HIS PHYSIQUE (i.e. muscular growth and development).
Had Dorian NOT increased his muscle mass by training in such fashion, he wouldn’t have continued in that path. He would have done something else. You’re the one that doesn’t get it. It IS about the end result, because he is a bodybuilder.
Your position that Dorian Yates somehow deserves to be placed on special pedestal, simply because he “trained the hardest” is utterly ridiculous. And, as stated earlier, Dorian DID NOT train in such fashion all the time, as doing so would have hampered his ability to recover and grow (as well as injure him even further).
He's no better or worse than Coleman, Schwarzenegger, Haney, or any other Mr. Olympia. He simply was different. He found a style of training that, overall, was most beneficial for him with regards to building mass, the name of the game when it comes to.....BODYBUILDING!!!
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I can't drink either. Diet Dr Pepper is good though.
Of course, NOTHING beats mcdonalds sweet tea.
You know that tea ain't bad, but we gotta a bbq chain here in South TX called Bill Miller's....best sweet tea on the planet.
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You know that tea ain't bad, but we gotta a bbq chain here in South TX called Bill Miller's....best sweet tea on the planet.
South TX? Are you going to the Ronnie Coleman classic in 2 weeks?
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You know that tea ain't bad, but we gotta a bbq chain here in South TX called Bill Miller's....best sweet tea on the planet.
how much is a slab of ribs there, big guy?
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Dorian uses machines,to make it easy,Ronnie uses free weights.
Dorian uses plenty of free weights in a lot of movements.
Heres the bottom line,Ronnie uses more weight,more reps,more workouts,more sets and its obvious more intensity because lifting heavy takes intensity.If Ronnie used Dorians weights,he would have to do 50 reps a set.Dorian needs a guy to hand him 100 pound dumbells,Ronnie flips up 200 pounders and knocks out 12 reps.Everthing Ronnie did was heavier,harder,and much more hardcore.By the way,no squats for Dorian?That IS NOT intense.
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If Dorian lifts at 100% of his capacity.
And Ronnie lifts at 80% of his capacity.
Dorian trains harder.
And we both know Ronnie DID NOT lift at his maximum.
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Why do you think Dorian Yates started training like that? It wasn’t just for the sake of training nor was it so that people could pat him on the head and tell him how “hardcore” he is. Dorian did so for one reason: IMPROVING HIS PHYSIQUE (i.e. muscular growth and development).
Had Dorian NOT increased his muscle mass by training in such fashion, he wouldn’t have continued in that path. He would have done something else. You’re the one that doesn’t get it. It IS about the end result, because he is a bodybuilder.
Your position that Dorian Yates somehow deserves to be placed on special pedestal, simply because he “trained the hardest” is utterly ridiculous. And, as stated earlier, Dorian DID NOT train in such fashion all the time, as doing so would have hampered his ability to recover and grow (as well as injure him even further).
He's no better or worse than Coleman, Schwarzenegger, Haney, or any other Mr. Olympia. He simply was different. He found a style of training that, overall, was most beneficial for him with regards to building mass, the name of the game when it comes to.....BODYBUILDING!!!
here we go, since you seem to be the real mr magoo of getbig:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHO TRAINED THE HARDEST - DORIAN YATES OR RONNIE COLEMAN, NOT WHY THEY TRAINED THE WAY THEY DID, NOT WHO WON THE MOST SANDOWS, NOT ABOUT THEIR PREFERED CLOTHES IN THE GYM, NOT ABOUT THEIR HAIRCOLOR ETC
ONLY ONE THING - WHO TRAINED THE HARDEST. PERIOD.
HOPE THIS HELPS.
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Giant font meltdown.
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Of cource Ronnie didnt work up to 800X2 every workout.In fact,on the tape,he says its the first time he ever did it.However,he certainly did work up to the high 600s and low 700s and did reps with that.Dorian,in his tape works up to 500 and doesnt even deadlift,we call what he did "DIMEL DEADLIFTS" but THEY ARE NOT DEADLIFTS.Ronnie does his bent rows as BENT ROWS.Dorian darn near stands straight up and down.Dorian uses machines,to make it easy,Ronnie uses free weights.
Heres the bottom line,Ronnie uses more weight,more reps,more workouts,more sets and its obvious more intensity because lifting heavy takes intensity.If Ronnie used Dorians weights,he would have to do 50 reps a set.Dorian needs a guy to hand him 100 pound dumbells,Ronnie flips up 200 pounders and knocks out 12 reps.Everthing Ronnie did was heavier,harder,and much more hardcore.By the way,no squats for Dorian?That IS NOT intense.
I can't believe someone with chicken legs like you would be talking so authoritatively about lifting ???
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I can't believe someone with chicken legs like you would be talking so authoritatively about lifting ???
are you insinuating that when it comes time to squat that "Billy" talks himself out of it and goes to his boyfriend's house to inhale some penis, Panda?
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man, u guys are rough on people! Shite! I say nobody trained like Big Ron
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are you insinuating that when it comes time to squat that "Billy" talks himself out of it and goes to his boyfriend's house to inhale some penis, Panda?
haha what I am suggesting is that "billy's" idea of a "colon cleanse" is getting a gallon of semen shot into his rectum
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Ronnie
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dorian
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Ronnie
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ronnie?
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Ronnie
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no way
dorian
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Ronnie by a country mile.
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Ronnie
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who trained harder is irrelevant when you look at the physiques each of them built.
dorian gets owned.
so who cares who trained harder?
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who trained harder is irrelevant when you look at the physiques each of them built.
dorian gets owned.
so who cares who trained harder?
are you inferring that Dorian looks like a truck driver stopping for some Salisbury Steak at an Omaha, Nebraska truck stop, Hulk?
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Ronnie
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who trained harder is irrelevant when you look at the physiques each of them built.
dorian gets owned.
so who cares who trained harder?
sounds like you admit dorian trained harder
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are you inferring that Dorian looks like a truck driver stopping for some Salisbury Steak at an Omaha, Nebraska truck stop, Hulk?
Hahahahaha, classic!
Dorian's definitely spotin the "look".
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Ronnie
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Ronald Dean Coleman byeth a countryeth mileth.
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sounds like you admit dorian trained harder
hell no.
Ronnie warms up with the same weight dorian uses for his 'heavy sets" LOL
ronnie was still training for and winning Mr. O's when dorian was reduced to serving drinks at the expos LOL
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Ronnie and Dorian at about the same age.. :'(
shortly after the shot was taken, dorian was given another black eye from Ronnie because his service was too damn slow.
Ronnie didn't even tip him LOL
Dorian is Ronnie's servant/bitch
lol
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hell no.
Ronnie warms up with the same weight dorian uses for his 'heavy sets" LOL
ronnie was still training for and winning Mr. O's when dorian was reduced to serving drinks at the expos LOL
so
the weight used doesnt say shit about how hard you train. it's relative.
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not when dorian is visibly straining with that drink tray LOL
he carries them to failure
hahahaha
dorian is ronnie's bitch
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What a shock Panda follows me around from thread to thread.Hey Panda I squat 942 at super,881 at 308 and 855 at 275,those are official numbers done in meets ,not the squats you and squad on each others three inch tools.Now,I have been begging for your HUGE numbers for weeks.Where the fuck are they.Or are you another typical GETBIG jerkoff who can post but cant lift.Numbers please,jerkoff!!!I also guess small legs don't mean shit when squatting big.You have large legs and very vary very little strength.Thanks,Id rather be strong.By theway,want to compare deadlifts or bench?
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here we go, since you seem to be the real mr magoo of getbig:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHO TRAINED THE HARDEST - DORIAN YATES OR RONNIE COLEMAN, NOT WHY THEY TRAINED THE WAY THEY DID, NOT WHO WON THE MOST SANDOWS, NOT ABOUT THEIR PREFERED CLOTHES IN THE GYM, NOT ABOUT THEIR HAIRCOLOR ETC
ONLY ONE THING - WHO TRAINED THE HARDEST. PERIOD.
HOPE THIS HELPS.
No, this thread is about your screaming at the top of your lungs that Dorian Yates allegedly "trained harder" than Ronnie Coleman or any other bodybuilder (as if that has anything to do with the cost of tea in China).
And, contrary to your screwball "analysis", there is no overwheliming consensus that Yates is the "harder" trainer of the two. We've seen varying opinions for varying reasons.
But, in your "Mr. Magoo" head, any one NOT NAMED Dorian Yates will be reduced as having an easier time in the gym, which is utter nonsense. And, to top it all off (as stated multiple times), Yates himself.....listen very closely........DID NOT TRAIN AS INTENSELY AS REPORTED EVERY SINGLE WORKOUT ALL THE TIME.
Dorian gets no cookie for supposedly being the hardest trainer. He did what he had to do to improve his physique for the purpose of, not being known as a hardcore trainer, but......and here's the part you can't quite grasp.....TO WIN BODYBUILDING CONTESTS, PERIOD.
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No, this thread is about your screaming at the top of your lungs that Dorian Yates allegedly "trained harder" than Ronnie Coleman or any other bodybuilder (as if that has anything to do with the cost of tea in China).
wrong. this is a thread about who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates? see subject line on every page.
And, contrary to your screwball "analysis", there is no overwheliming consensus that Yates is the "harder" trainer of the two. We've seen varying opinions for varying reasons.
yes there is. that was the whole point of his training to go balls out. it wasnt with ronnie.
But, in your "Mr. Magoo" head, any one NOT NAMED Dorian Yates will be reduced as having an easier time in the gym, which is utter nonsense. And, to top it all off (as stated multiple times), Yates himself.....listen very closely........DID NOT TRAIN AS INTENSELY AS REPORTED EVERY SINGLE WORKOUT ALL THE TIME.
dont matter. he did it more often than not, which cant be said about ronnie.
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Bluto, I'm calling for a truce.
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Bluto, I'm calling for a truce.
:D
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wrong. this is a thread about who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates? see subject line on every page.
which would be more appropriately titled, "Who Trained Harder - Dorian Yates or Dorian Yates?"
yes there is. that was the whole point of his training to go balls out. it wasnt with ronnie.
The whole point of Yates' training was to improve the size and density of his muscles. That particular style of training was the most effective, which is why he kept using it. He's a BODYBUILDER; what part of that escapes your pscyhe? Going "balls out" doesn't mean jack, if the end result isn't more mass and proportion to his body.
dont matter. he did it more often than not, which cant be said about ronnie.
Based on what? Their training styles are quite different. And as has been mentioned, Ronnie is significantly stronger; therefore, there is no need for him to go beyond failure, as the sheer volume and poundages he uses compensates for that.
But, that ain't the issue here, because you are looking for people to join your Yates praise parade, despite the fact that multiple people have stated that they feel Ronnie trained "harder".
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The whole point of Yates' training was to improve the size and density of his muscles. That particular style of training was the most effective, which is why he kept using it. He's a BODYBUILDER; what part of that escapes your pscyhe? Going "balls out" doesn't mean jack, if the end result isn't more mass and proportion to his body.
So? the question was if he trained harder than ronnie coleman.
Based on what? Their training styles are quite different. And as has been mentioned, Ronnie is significantly stronger; therefore, there is no need for him to go beyond failure, as the sheer volume and poundages he uses compensates for that.
In other words. Dorian trained harder.
But, that ain't the issue here, because you are looking for people to join your Yates praise parade, despite the fact that multiple people have stated that they feel Ronnie trained "harder".
Not at all. i even started this thread clearly stating that i wasnt sure myself. but after the debate went on, i got convinced that dorian trained the hardest and i have successfully defended that opinion ever since.
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you can only vote once
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So? the question was if he trained harder than ronnie coleman.
What's the point of this question, other than your obvious take that Dorian is a better bodybuilder than Ronnie, because he "trained harder"?
In other words. Dorian trained harder.
Noooooooo. They simply train differently. One guy uses a lot of forced reps and descending sets; the other uses more volume and heavier weights. Neither style is "harder" than the other. Nice try!!
Not at all. i even started this thread clearly stating that i wasnt sure myself. but after the debate went on, i got convinced that dorian trained the hardest and i have successfully defended that opinion ever since.
Got convinced? You were convinced of that from the get-go.
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What's the point of this question, other than your obvious take that Dorian is a better bodybuilder than Ronnie, because he "trained harder"?
the point is to find out who train the hardest.
Noooooooo. They simply train differently. One guy uses a lot of forced reps and descending sets; the other uses more volume and heavier weights. Neither style is "harder" than the other. Nice try!!
dorian trains at hard as he can.
ronnie doesnt.
conclusion: dorian trains the hardest.
Got convinced? You were convinced of that from the get-go.
no i got convinced by the arguments for dorian.
he trains harder than ronnie.
whether he trains harder than platz, mentzer, king kamali, branch warren, gaspari, steve michalik etc we will find out next :)
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the point is to find out who train the hardest.
For what reason? I don't think you'd be singing the praises of Ken Jones, if he went "balls out" for his training.
dorian trains at hard as he can.
ronnie doesnt.
conclusion: dorian trains the hardest.
Hogwash!!! (regarding Ronnie). As was already brought up, intensity is based on different things. Is Dorian using the heaviest weights he can possibly use? Does he utilize the most difficult compound exercises? Those play a factor in "hard" training, or did you forget that.
Training to failure doesn't necessarily equate to training hard. I can train to failure using 225 or I can do straight sets using 315. Assuming my form is good using both poundages, which is going to require more effort?
no i got convinced by the arguments for dorian.
he trains harder than ronnie.
whether he trains harder than platz, mentzer, king kamali, branch warren, gaspari, steve michalik etc we will find out next :)
"We"? You must have mice in your pocket. The arguments for both men were neck-and-neck, except for your multiple musings.
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For what reason?
curiosity
Hogwash!!! As was already brought up, intensity is based on different things. Is Dorian using the heaviest weights he can possibly use? Does he utilize the most difficult compound exercises? Those play a factor in "hard" training, or did you forget that.
i think he is, pretty much, for most of the time.
where as we know ronnie isnt.
i dont think it's fair to compare to ronnie, we should probably compare with someone whos known for busting his balls in the gym, something ronnie isnt. its not ronnie choosen method of training.
"We"? You must have mice in your pocket. The arguments for both men were neck-and-neck, except for your multiple musings.
more people voted dorian, than ronnie.
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you fags need to get a room
curiosity
i think he is, pretty much, for most of the time.
where as we know ronnie isnt.
i dont think it's fair to compare to ronnie, we should probably compare with someone whos known for busting his balls in the gym, something ronnie isnt. its not ronnie choosen method of training.
more people voted dorian, than ronnie.
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i see dorian easily training harder than ronnie
maybe ronnie potentially could push himself as hard, but he doesnt and dorian does
so
dorian wins
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RONALD.................. .............DEAN....... ..................COLEMA N.
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shit kenny passed 20k posts and didnt even announce it cause he was busy posting "ronnie" over and over and over
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Ronnie
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Coleman, Ronnie Coleman.
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After watching a Dorian youtube clip, I'm gonna make sure to scream everytime I do tricep pushdowns with a spotter. ::)
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Yates was a total fraud and a phony. he took more drugs than anyone. he would even soak his blood in gh overnight and then reinject it.
Lies...
his body was truly repellent with its enormous gut and racist tattoos.
Another one of your lies. We've been over this. Dorian was never a racist. He was, in fact, married to a non-white woman.
coleman kills this hideous tattooed racist pos
Only because he defeated Nasser. The only racist here is you. You dislike Dorian and like Nasser exclusively for racial reasons.
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fuckn a!
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Chuck Norris.
Easy.
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a beast in the gym dorian was
a beast in the gym ronnie wasnt
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a beast in the gym dorian was
a beast in the gym ronnie wasnt
Speaking like Yoda, I am...
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Ronnie
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a beast in the gym dorian was
a beast in the gym ronnie wasnt
Never been in an actual gym you have. Null and void your opinion is.
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a beast in the gym dorian was
a beast in the gym ronnie wasnt
I think Dorian trained harder, but saying Ronnie wasn't a beast in the gym is just stupid ::)
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I think Dorian trained harder, but saying Ronnie wasn't a beast in the gym is just stupid ::)
Screaming during cable push downs isn't training harder. Big Ron's workouts are much harder, even if his demeanor doesn't show it. Going up to 495 on the flat bench, then using 405 for several sets on the incline, then 405 on the flat bench for several sets for reps. Dorian does shit like hammer strength bench and inclines flies and screams.
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Ronnie was much stronger overral, but there are some back exercises where Dorian can hold his own, like the barbell row. Dorian could row 5 plates a side for 6 reps with strict form. I don't think Ronnie was much stronger than that at this particular exercise. Maybe a little, but not much.
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Doronniean Yoleman.
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Coleman was undoubtedly stronger than Yates. No question about that. It doesn't necessarly mean he worked harder. What could be a extremely intense workout to me could be midly intense to another guy using 20% more weight than I do. That doesn't say much beacause there are too many factors to put into equation (genetics beeing probably the most important). Let's not forget Coleman is only two years younger than Yates. Yates' career ended, due to injuries, at 35. Coleman came into his own circa 96 while he was already 32 and he won his first Olympia at age 34. If that says anything, it's that Ronnie had a better method to secure progress on the long term. But at the same time, his training didn't allow him to "blossom" earlier while Yates became a dominant force at a much earlier age. Two totally different stories.
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dorian clearly dorian
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Coleman................. ........................ .......Ronnie Coleman.
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dorian yates
not only is he the hardest training
the competition was higher when he competed
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Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.
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Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.
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Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.
hi dorians son.
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Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.
Hi Dorian! Great to see you posting.
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Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.
well said
but the ronnie-camp are so obsessed with poundages, they actually believe the one who lifts the heaviest lift the hardest ::)
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Training hard and training heavy are two differenct properties. A powerlifter with a 600 lbs bench won't be training hard if he benches 300 lbs for 10, but for a much weaker man, doing even 6 reps with that weight will be exerting a much more brutal effort than it is for the powerlifter to do that weight for 10.
Dorian trained harder because he often used weights that pushed the limits of his strengh, and he took sets to failure. Dorian would do usually 6 to 8 reps per set, and he would choose weights that were heavy enough for him to fail after that number of reps.
Ronnie, conversely, would use weights far beneath his strengh, evident by the fact that he usually did between 12 and 15 reps per set, and even by the 15th reps he didn't achieve failure yet. This suggests that he usually trained with weights that were 50% of his 1RM, while Dorian trained with weights that were 80% of his 1RM. The only time when Ronnie trained harder than Dorian was when he did those insane doubles on the deadlift with 805 lbs or squated 800 lbs for a double. The problem is that this is not how Ronnie often trained. Dorian definitely trained harder, but the title of strongest Mr.Olympia definitely goes to Ronnie.
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dorian trained like a fuckin animal
but ronnie trained pretty hard himself
i cant decide
Both trained hard in their owns ways and both was good in thier own ways.
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Training hard and training heavy are two differenct properties. A powerlifter with a 600 lbs bench won't be training hard if he benches 300 lbs for 10, but for a much weaker man, doing even 6 reps with that weight will be exerting a much more brutal effort than it is for the powerlifter to do that weight for 10.
Dorian trained harder because he often used weights that pushed the limits of his strengh, and he took sets to failure. Dorian would do usually 6 to 8 reps per set, and he would choose weights that were heavy enough for him to fail after that number of reps.
Ronnie, conversely, would use weights far beneath his strengh, evident by the fact that he usually did between 12 and 15 reps per set, and even by the 15th reps he didn't achieve failure yet. This suggests that he usually trained with weights that were 50% of his 1RM, while Dorian trained with weights that were 80% of his 1RM. The only time when Ronnie trained harder than Dorian was when he did those insane doubles on the deadlift with 805 lbs or squated 800 lbs for a double. The problem is that this is not how Ronnie often trained. Dorian definitely trained harder, but the title of strongest Mr.Olympia definitely goes to Ronnie.
exactly
dorian trained harder! no doubt.
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exactly
dorian trained harder! no doubt.
But who trained the hardest of them all?
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But who trained the hardest of them all?
thats a good question
i made a thread about that where dorian met steve michalik in the final but we never reached conclusion
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thats a good question
i made a thread about that where dorian met steve michalik in the final but we never reached conclusion
I have to know !
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ronnie
Repeating the same post ad nauseum only shows two things:
1. You are a troll.
2. You are unable to formulate an argument for why you believe something.
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Repeating the same post ad nauseum only shows two things:
1. You are a troll.
2. You are unable to formulate an argument for why you believe something.
ok...your a dipshit
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ok...your a dipshit
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It's written: you are a dipshit, or you're a dipshit, and not "your a dipshit"(what of mine is a dipshit?)
As for the rest, you continue to be a troll. ;)
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It's written: you are a dipshit, or you're a dipshit, and not "your a dipshit"(what of mine is a dipshit?)
As for the rest, you continue to be a troll. ;)
your a dipshit
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Is it harder to bench 500 lbs. or 400 lbs.?
Ronnie could bench 500 for REPS.
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Is it harder to bench 500 lbs. or 400 lbs.?
Ronnie could bench 500 for REPS.
But Dorian used much stricter form and lowered the bar to his chest, while Ronnie cheated and only used partial reps. Big difference.
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i agree dorian trained harder
i once had a bet with a guy that said ronnie and we went back and forth and in the end he admitted he was wrong and i was right and i won $1000 sweet
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The more things change, the more they remain the same. I can see that the Ronnie dick suckers are still getting owned ad infinitum in thread after thread. :P
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Anabolichalo....
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Dorian :)
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exactly
dorian trained harder! no doubt.
dorian also had many injuries which had no correlation to his superior training ::)
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Ronnie was better on the more basic lifts . Dorian was more mahcine like overall.
Hard to say who really did train "harder", both were classic hardcore , no frills style of trainers.
I have both the Coleman "That's Incredible " and Yates " Blood and Guts training videos.
Ronnies 2 resp with 800 along with all the incredible barbell lifting is incredible.
But for pure training value I would say Yates was more effective.
Most normal guys would get injured or NOT grow as much traing like Ronnie did with the loose form and heavy basic moves. Yates style is something ANYONE could use and make gains.
Arnold had the best overall form however , as seen in Pumping Iron.
Howard
Ronnie would have broke down Leroy and Yates in their primes, was very durable. Yates was breaking down by his 5th Olympia while Ronnie broke down almost 2-3 yrs after his retirement.
No way those two deal with his lifts 5 weeks out from the Olympia, let alone offseason, just no way. They would have been tearing shit left and right.
Also, I don't believe Ronnie did ego lifts like Branch and JOJ. He just did it for the love and brute strength.
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ronnie didnt train sooooooo hard
he trained consistently on god given genetics and the results speak for themselves
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dorian also had many injuries which had no correlation to his superior training ::)
Same could be said for Ronnie, who looks like a melted pudding pop now.