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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/20/obama-pledges-support-cia-defends-release-interrogation-memos/

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President Obama on Monday pledged his "full support" to the CIA, assuring the covert agency he would vigorously protect the security and identities of its members after his administration last week released classified memos on interrogation techniques.

The release drew criticism from former CIA directors including Michael Hayden, who worried that the disclosure of the Justice Department memos would have a chilling effect on agents' ability to operate in the field.

But Obama, in his first public visit to the agency's Langley headquarters, voiced unwavering support for the CIA as he stood beside Director Leon Panetta.

"You are an indispensable tool, the tip of the spear in America's international mission and our national security," Obama said. "I will be as vigorous in protecting you as you are in protecting the American people."

He acknowledged that "the last few days have been difficult" and said he would continue to fight to keep classified documents secret. But he defended his administration's decision to release select documents last week, saying much of the information in them was already public knowledge.

"I acted primarily because of the exceptional circumstances that surrounded these memos," Obama said.

The Obama administration has deflected calls to open criminal cases against those who conducted harsh interrogations as spelled out in the memos. But he also has demanded an end to the techniques described in the memos -- including waterboarding and many others.

Obama said Monday he understands the frustration of being asked to play by the rules against enemies "who have no scruples and would willingly and gladly kill innocents."

He said the U.S. is on "the better side of history" and must uphold its values.

"I believe that our nation is stronger and more secure when we deploy the full measure of both our power and the power of our values," he said. "You've got a harder job and so do I, and that's okay. ... That's why we can take such extraordinary pride in being Americans."

Panetta, speaking before Obama, echoed the president's opposition to harsh interrogation techniques. And he too suggested that calls for prosecutions against CIA officials be dropped.

"This is a time for reflection, not attribution," he said, urging Washington to avoid "laying blame for the past."

The White House drew criticism from both sides of the aisle last week. Liberals wanted Obama to pursue criminal charges against those who allegedly tortured suspects. Bush administration officials and other Republicans scolded Obama for releasing classified information.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told FOX News earlier Monday that the decision to release the memos "helps no one."

"(The release) doesn't help America's image, does not help us address the issue and I think it was a serious mistake to release these memos," McCain said.

But he also criticized the CIA for reported claims in another memo that agents waterboarded an Al Qaeda suspect 183 times.

"It's unacceptable, it's unacceptable," said McCain, who spent five years in a Vietnamese prison during the Vietnam War. "One is too much. Waterboarding is torture, period. And I can assure you that once enough physical pain is inflicted on someone they will tell that interrogator whatever they think they want to hear. And most importantly, it serves as a great propaganda tool for those who recruit people to fight against us."

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Releasing this info was one of the stupidest things that could be done. Curious how they will extract info from a terrorist now, that could prevent an immediate imminent attack, now that no Harsh interrogation can be used ? Maybe if they say "Pretty Please"..Mohammed will cooperate.

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Releasing this info was one of the stupidest things that could be done. Curious how they will extract info from a terrorist now, that could prevent an immediate imminent attack, now that no Harsh interrogation can be used ? Maybe if they say "Pretty Please"..Mohammed will cooperate.

This is really a disgrace.  This man is completely irresponsible.

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Why Obama Needs to Reveal Even More on Torture
By Robert Baer
Monday, Apr. 20, 2009

Despite the outcry it has prompted, the Administration was absolutely right to declassify the Department of Justice-CIA interrogation memos. The argument that the letters compromise national security does not hold water. As noted in the memos, the interrogations techniques are taken from the military's escape and evasion training manuals, known as SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape) — which in turn were taken from Chinese abusive interrogations used on our troops during the Korean War. If there is any doubt the techniques were already in the public domain, released detainees have more than detailed the abuse interrogation techniques they were subjected to.

But Obama should not stop there. The memos justify abusive interrogations by the completely discredited "ticking time-bomb" defense — that if we don't torture a suspect when we know there is an imminent threat, we stand to lose many, many American lives. But what ticking bomb? In one memo it states that it was thanks to waterboarding 9/11's mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (who was, according to the memo, subjected to the procedure 183 times) that we learned about a "Second Wave" of attacks. There has been little heard since about the "Second Wave," so without more documents declassified, it can be assumed that KSM made it up to stop the waterboarding. In another memo, it is noted that senior Al Qaeda member Abu Zubaydah was tortured into admitting KSM was the 9/11 mastermind. The memo does not note that early on KSM freely admitted his role in an interview with al-Jazeera.

Not everything related to abusive interrogations can be declassified, but nonetheless should be looked at by a blue-ribbon presidential commission. For instance, in an Aug. 1, 2002 memo there is a passing reference to "chatter" that suggests there's about to be another 9/11, the underlying message to Justice being that unless it approves the abusive interrogation techniques, the deaths of thousands of Americans will be on its head. Someone objective needs to take a close look at the exact wording of the "chatter", and tell the President whether there really was an imminent threat. The complete raw interrogation reports should also be reviewed by the same commission to compare it to follow-up investigations, in particular leads generated inside the United States. We cannot take anyone's word for it that the interrogations saved lives; someone objective needs to take a good hard look at the facts. (Watch TIME's video on the risks of chatter.)

On a more public level, a thorough clearing of the air will go a long way toward discrediting the idea that we either torture terrorists or die. This false choice is played out week after week in the popular TV show 24, leaving people with the notion that had the FBI somehow caught one of the hijackers in the hours leading up to 9/11, torture would have led to the arrest of the other 18 before those planes took off. We need to put the last nail in the coffin of Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz's idea of torture warrants.

In the short run, CIA morale will be hurt by yet another investigation. But at the same time it will force the agency to take a much needed honest look at its reporting on al-Qaeda. One memo notes that in 2004 the CIA obtained half of its reporting on this organization from detainees, many of whom "confessed" under abusive interrogation. A complete investigation into the quality of that information, I suspect, will prove we are going through this national trauma and international humiliation for absolutely nothing. I hope I am wrong, but unless Washington takes the steps to open the historical record to more scrutiny, no one will be able to prove it.

Baer, a former CIA field officer assigned to the Middle East, is TIME.com's intelligence columnist and the author of "See No Evil" and, most recently, "The Devil We Know"

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Releasing this info was one of the stupidest things that could be done. Curious how they will extract info from a terrorist now, that could prevent an immediate imminent attack, now that no Harsh interrogation can be used ? Maybe if they say "Pretty Please"..Mohammed will cooperate.


This is really a disgrace.  This man is completely irresponsible.


Am I to take it that you two along with FOXNews know more than a CIA Middle Eastern field officer?   :-\

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Yeah- If only that CIA field agent knew that Canada kicked America's ass during the 1812 war- he'd be as up to speed as the Canadian's that post on this message board  ::)

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Yeah- If only that CIA field agent knew that Canada kicked America's ass during the 1812 war- he'd be as up to speed as the Canadian's that post on this message board  ::)

Baer's a pretty well informed guy, so he's probably aware of it, ...but like most Yanks, he probably wants to forget.

...of course I'm speaking of the ones who even knew it in the first place.

That Washington DC bonfire must have given off a pretty glow. Do you think there were marshmallows back then?



ps: Your use of the apostrophe with the world Canadian skews your message denoting the possessive sense, and not the plural. Were you the product of an American education?  :-[   
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Yes- There were Marshmellows. Unfortunately, there were no Canadians.

The inconvenience of history strikes again!

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torture is a necessity.

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I wonder if the ACLU would protest if terrorist detainees were forced to stare at your avatar with their eyes glued open. As you know, terrorists would find such sensory overload to be cruel and unusual.