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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: BFG on February 26, 2013, 08:09:58 AM
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Reading through a few threads today, I couldnt help but notice an overwhelming dislike toward deca. This was surprising to me as deca is one of the most widely used and highest dosed drugs in the bodybuilding scene. I thought I would describe a bit on how deca is used today in the top national and pro ranks for great results.
#1) never come off deca. Just like test, deca is part of the "cruise." The most basic cruise cycle among most top guys is 1-2 grams of test and 800mg's of deca. Deca maintains a level of thick muscularity and density that few other drugs build over time. When one stays on deca for long durations without break, that is part of what builds that extremely thick and dense muscle mass that the top guys have.
#2) never go lower than 800mg's of deca. Going lower than 800mg's of deca is pretty much worthless. You will get all the negative side effects (if you are so predisposed) but none of the thick, dense mass that deca builds in doses of 800+.
#3) use NPP in 6-8 week periods to blast up to 2 grams of nandralone. Incorporate 6-8 week blasts in your offseason of up to 2 grams of nandralone by using NPP. 6-8 weeks on 2 grams of deca and you will build some serious muscle mass that will not come off when you drop back down to 800mg's.
Sample nandralone cycle:
Weeks 1-4 CRUISE
1,500mg testosterone cyp
800mg deca
5iu GH monday through friday
5iu humalog in morning and preworkout
Weeks 5-12 BLAST
1,500mg test cyp
800mg deca
150mg test prop ED
150mg npp ED
100mg TNE ED
100mg dbol ED
15iu GH post workout only
15iu humalog in morning and preworkout
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You see nothing wrong with never coming off of deca? Why take deca and npp together?
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How much and how often do you need to inject deca? Daily, EOD? 100mg each time?
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You see nothing wrong with never coming off of deca? Why take deca and npp together?
Deca and npp together lol
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You want advice on how to inject a substance from a vial you brought from the trunk of someone's car? What can go wrong? At least you came to the right place where the majority of the guys here a college kids living in the basement of their mommy's house when they are not at their part time job delivering pizza. I'm sure the advice is spot on.
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BFG, do you recommend 800mg for a first time nandrolone user? I've used NPP once 2 years ago at 420mg when I was smaller and got good results. Plan on using it again in the future, but I have added at least 20lbs of solid muscle since then
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You want advice on how to inject a substance from a vial you brought from the trunk of someone's car? What can go wrong? At least you came to the right place where the majority of the guys here a college kids living in the basement of their mommy's house when they are not at their part time job delivering pizza. I'm sure the advice is spot on.
I agree with the point of your post, but I've noticed you mentioning the kids quite a number of times. There may be kids, but there's also a number of well informed adults with adult opinions, that may sometimes kid around with kids.
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I agree with the point of your post, but I've noticed you mentioning the kids quite a number of times. There may be kids, but there's also a number of well informed adults with adult opinions, that may sometimes kid around with kids.
We're all kids to him ....look at his name.
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BFG, do you recommend 800mg for a first time nandrolone user? I've used NPP once 2 years ago at 420mg when I was smaller and got good results. Plan on using it again in the future, but I have added at least 20lbs of solid muscle since then
How much test are you on? lets assume 1 gram.
If you are truly a first time nandralone user start your cruise at 1g test 400mg deca. blast #1 = 1.5g test, 1g deca for 6 weeks. Then drop back to 1.2g test, 600mg deca. Thats your new cruise. Then blast #2 = 2g test, 1.2g deca. Then drop back to 1.5g test, 800mg deca. Thats your new cruise. Dont increase your deca cruise amount, just blast higher and higher until your deca hits 2g's and your test hits 3g's. Once you hit those numbers on a blast start adding in a gram of EQ, non stop.
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Nandrolone's potential effects on the heart compared to other drugs is unnerving.
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Been using npp last year on and off. Completely changed my look. Love the stuff.
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Assume you'd need an AI with all that BFG...
What's your approach to that side of things
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Ive tried deca@ 600-750 mg EW for 10 wks and npp @ 900 mg week for 6 weeks and got nothing out of them. I'm thinking I'm just not a nor-19 responder. Now test & anavat. That's a different story...
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All the deca & npp did was get me real tired and depressed.
Rs
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Assume you'd need an AI with all that BFG...
What's your approach to that side of things
I much prefer 20-40mg's of nolvadex than an AI. Maybe 0.5mg adex every 3 days if the water retention is causing blood pressure issues. Estrogen is not all bad. Everyone gets gyno, anyway...just get the glands cut out.
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dude, theres ppl here who dont live in the delusion world and who dont want moonface year round with a permanent limp dick on top of that.
never come off deca ::)
deca and npp ::)
test cyp stacked with propionate ::)
im taking groinks stance on you.
time to show your face, the credibility is going down the toilet.
My advice is for people who compete at the national or pro level, or want to.
What is so comical about prop stacked with cyp? Would you prefer blasting from 1 gram to 3 grams with long esters when the entire blast is 6-8 weeks? Makes no sense if you understand steroid esters. Same with npp. You come across as though you dont realize the short vs long ester advantage to dramatically increasing and decreasing doses for blasting and cruising.
only time to come off deca is last 8-10 weeks of contest prep.
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I much prefer 20-40mg's of nolvadex than an AI. Maybe 0.5mg adex every 3 days if the water retention is causing blood pressure issues. Estrogen is not all bad. Everyone gets gyno, anyway...just get the glands cut out.
you recommend nolva for that much nandrolone...lol
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Sample nandralone cycle:
Weeks 1-4 CRUISE
1,500mg testosterone cyp
800mg deca
5iu GH monday through friday
5iu humalog in morning and preworkout
Weeks 5-12 BLAST
1,500mg test cyp
800mg deca
150mg test prop ED
150mg npp ED
100mg TNE ED
100mg dbol ED
15iu GH post workout only
15iu humalog in morning and preworkout
BFG = Big Fucking Gobshite
You could half those two stacks and get the same results.
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you recommend nolva for that much nandrolone...lol
Dont tell me you actually believe in the nolvadex + deca myth.
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BFG = Big Fucking Gobshite
You could half those two stacks and get the same results.
roughly how much gear do you think the top 5 in the last Mr O were using? half that?
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Dont tell me you actually believe in the nolvadex + deca myth.
How about if someone get leaky nips...that won't do shit. You need something like caber or prami to control prolactin you dumb fuck.
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roughly how much gear do you think the top 5 in the last Mr O were using? half that?
Whats that got to do with what I said?
Guys at the Olympia are not using to grow, dont you know they are dieting?
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How about if someone get leaky nips...that won't do shit. You need something like caber or prami to control prolactin you dumb fuck.
if someone starts lactating then they can take prami...if you honestly think staying on caber and/or prami year round for steady ancillary use...lol
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Whats that got to do with what I said?
Guys at the Olympia are not using to grow, dont you know they are dieting?
in their offseason, do you think they were using that half that much gear? honest question for you.
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if someone starts lactating then they can take prami...if you honestly think staying on caber and/or prami year round for steady ancillary use...lol
You won't be needing to buy milk at the grocery store anymore with that much nandrolone
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in their offseason, do you think they were using that half that much gear? honest question for you.
I couldn't give a shit WHAT people are taking, what Im saying is that stack could be cut in half and you would still gain roughly the same amount with far less adverse effects.
Oh and if you need to take that much to get gains then bodybuilding isn't for you.
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You won't be needing to buy milk at the grocery store anymore with that much nandrolone
not everyone lactates on that much nandralone. a major aspect of being a top competitor is being genetically blessed at not getting bad side effects and health issues. a top national competitor in the light heavies in the late 90s in jersey used to run 250mg's of test, 2 grams of deca, 2 grams of eq in the offseason and never had issues.
go ahead and try to stay on prami or caber year round and see why its a very, very bad idea.
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I couldn't give a shit WHAT people are taking, what Im saying is that stack could be cut in half and you would still gain roughly the same amount with far less adverse effects.
Oh and if you need to take that much to get gains then bodybuilding isn't for you.
Why do you think it could be cut in half for the same results? Is 1 gram of test just as strong as 2?
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a top national competitor in the light heavies in the late 90s in jersey used to run 250mg's of test, 2 grams of deca, 2 grams of eq in the offseason and never had issues.
I bet he looks great nowadays. ::)
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I bet he looks great nowadays. ::)
what does that have to do with anything?
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Why do you think it could be cut in half for the same results? Is 1 gram of test just as strong as 2?
Does "the law of diminishing returns" mean anything to you?
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what does that have to do with anything?
This...
and never had issues.
No issues at the time doesnt mean no issues at all.
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Does "the law of diminishing returns" mean anything to you?
It happens at much, much higher doses.
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It happens at much, much higher doses.
Evidence please?
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not everyone lactates on that much nandralone. a major aspect of being a top competitor is being genetically blessed at not getting bad side effects and health issues. a top national competitor in the light heavies in the late 90s in jersey used to run 250mg's of test, 2 grams of deca, 2 grams of eq in the offseason and never had issues.
go ahead and try to stay on prami or caber year round and see why its a very, very bad idea.
Some of the ancilliaries are probably worst than the hormones themselves...you got a point.
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Evidence please?
yes, let me go ahead and cite the numerous peer reviewed studies on grams of steroid use.
its all anecdotal. if you get diminishing returns at 2 grams of test, this isnt your sport.
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if you get diminishing returns at 2 grams of test, this isnt your sport.
And if you can compete as a pro on a gram or less then this sport is for you.
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And if you can compete as a pro on a gram or less then this sport is for you.
honest question: do you believe anyone is turning pro on a gram or less?
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Why do you insist on writing "honest question"?
Are some of yours going to be dishonest if you don't add that caveat?
I have no idea if people are turning pro on a gram, and TBH neither do you.
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Reading through a few threads today, I couldnt help but notice an overwhelming dislike toward deca. This was surprising to me as deca is one of the most widely used and highest dosed drugs in the bodybuilding scene. I thought I would describe a bit on how deca is used today in the top national and pro ranks for great results.
#1) never come off deca. Just like test, deca is part of the "cruise." The most basic cruise cycle among most top guys is 1-2 grams of test and 800mg's of deca. Deca maintains a level of thick muscularity and density that few other drugs build over time. When one stays on deca for long durations without break, that is part of what builds that extremely thick and dense muscle mass that the top guys have.
#2) never go lower than 800mg's of deca. Going lower than 800mg's of deca is pretty much worthless. You will get all the negative side effects (if you are so predisposed) but none of the thick, dense mass that deca builds in doses of 800+.
#3) use NPP in 6-8 week periods to blast up to 2 grams of nandralone. Incorporate 6-8 week blasts in your offseason of up to 2 grams of nandralone by using NPP. 6-8 weeks on 2 grams of deca and you will build some serious muscle mass that will not come off when you drop back down to 800mg's.
Sample nandralone cycle:
Weeks 1-4 CRUISE
1,500mg testosterone cyp
800mg deca
5iu GH monday through friday
5iu humalog in morning and preworkout
Weeks 5-12 BLAST
1,500mg test cyp
800mg deca
150mg test prop ED
150mg npp ED
100mg TNE ED
100mg dbol ED
15iu GH post workout only
15iu humalog in morning and preworkout
Why all the needless complexity?
12 Week Cycle
Test Enth/Cyp - 500mg p/wk. (1000mg in first week if you like to front load)
EQ - 400mg p/wk.
Anavar - 25 to 40mg per day.
Use some AI during and after.
Take care of your diet/cardio and you will be golden.
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dude, theres ppl here who dont live in the delusion world and who dont want moonface year round with a permanent limp dick on top of that.
never come off deca ::)
deca and npp ::)
test cyp stacked with propionate ::)
im taking groinks stance on you.
time to show your face, the credibility is going down the toilet.
x2. There is definitely truth and science behind these posts, but I will never buy into the ALL PROS do the same mega abusing doses, with no exceptions. The doses vary greatly among those ranks.
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You want advice on how to inject a substance from a vial you brought from the trunk of someone's car? What can go wrong? At least you came to the right place where the majority of the guys here a college kids living in the basement of their mommy's house when they are not at their part time job delivering pizza. I'm sure the advice is spot on.
Don't be such a softy, you will die of old age on that rocking chair reading a news paper.
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Don't be such a softy, you will die of old age on that rocking chair reading a news paper.
After seeing your sons and daughters married and raise families of their own, nah.. fuck that , its much better to go out early leaving a huge musclebound corpse. ::)
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I couldn't give a shit WHAT people are taking, what Im saying is that stack could be cut in half and you would still gain roughly the same amount with far less adverse effects.
Oh and if you need to take that much to get gains then bodybuilding isn't for you.
No you would not you fucken retard. What are you stupid ??? get the same results with half? Ya nice one you fucken genius
wow, that is considered a fucken small dose to an ifbb pro you fucken clueless naive fuck head, wow your dumb.
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x2. There is definitely truth and science behind these posts, but I will never buy into the ALL PROS do the same mega abusing doses, with no exceptions. The doses vary greatly among those ranks.
No but they are all in the same ball park bro, the difference between them is microscopic on their protocols not greatly, well at least not at the Olympia level
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No you would not you fucken retard. What are you stupid get the same results with half? Ya nice one you fucken genius
wow, that is considered a fucken small dose to an ifbb pro you fucken clueless naive fuck head, wow your dumb.
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Calm down fuckwit
You keep using like you are and you wont see 50.
Good luck mate.
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Calm down fuckwit
You keep using like you are and you wont see 50.
Good luck mate.
I am off of everything and not even training so fuck you. :)
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No but they are all in the same ball park bro, the difference between them is microscopic on their protocols not greatly, well at least not at the Olympia level
You have no idea what people are using?
Stop reading bullshit on the internet.
I am off of everything and not even training so fuck you.
Great, you can post some photos of your legs and arms in a few weeks, lets see what you are made of. ;)
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Nandrolone's potential effects on the heart compared to other drugs is unnerving.
..what makes deca so unique is that it's not toxic. your liver can be all fucked up from orals and your kidneys ready to blow out from tren, but you can bast high doses of deca and npp while your body heals itself, and grow your muscles at the same time.
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i prefer to substitute equipoise and primobolan for deca
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You have no idea what people are using?
Stop reading bullshit on the internet.Great, you can post some photos of your legs and arms in a few weeks, lets see what you are made of. ;)
Yes I do know what people use, this is like claiming that building a house cost 300 000 dollars on average and then some one claiming they built it with only 50 000. See naive fuck heads like you might believe but reality is not so. Some one might be good enough to buld the house with 250 000 dollars and others may use 350 000 but the range is not far from average.
Like talking to a child :-[
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Lol, hahahah in few weeks, hell I will still have high levels for another 6 weeks even though I have stopped everything. ;)
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Why all the needless complexity?
12 Week Cycle
Test Enth/Cyp - 500mg p/wk. (1000mg in first week if you like to front load)
EQ - 400mg p/wk.
Anavar - 25 to 40mg per day.
Use some AI during and after.
Take care of your diet/cardio and you will be golden.
be a great stack for a swimmer or bike rider....i doubt i could even fuck, let alone build muscle on that stack
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Fuck the "thickness" if it comes with severe moonface, it makes me look like a retard.
As much as I enjoy your posts about pros and exotic compounds this whole "2g of test" talk is boring. Everyone knows how these guys look nowadays. Yes, it is "needed", yada, yada, yet no one apart from selected few want to look like that.
Tell us something about how to look good 24/7, about stacks that "fitness models" or "natural bodybuilders do".
I take 50mg of prop, 50mg of tren eod and sometimes go up to 100mg for few weeks and I absolutely love how I look. Too bad it ruins my lipids, so it's not gonna work out in the long run. I would love to hear how maintain this veiny, dense look without taking tren. Var? Bold? How much?
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Fuck the "thickness" if it comes with severe moonface, it makes me look like a retard.
As much as I enjoy your posts about pros and exotic compounds this whole "2g of test" talk is boring. Everyone knows how these guys look nowadays. Yes, it is "needed", yada, yada, yet no one apart from selected few want to look like that.
Tell us something about how to look good 24/7, about stacks that "fitness models" or "natural bodybuilders do".
I take 50mg of prop, 50mg of tren eod and sometimes go up to 100mg for few weeks and I absolutely love how I look. Too bad it ruins my lipids, so it's not gonna work out in the long run. I would love to hear how maintain this veiny, dense look without taking tren. Var? Bold? How much?
Just throw in some masteron with your test and deca. No moonface.
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..what makes deca so unique is that it's not toxic. your liver can be all fucked up from orals and your kidneys ready to blow out from tren, but you can bast high doses of deca and npp while your body heals itself, and grow your muscles at the same time.
What's the deal with the blood vessel, genetic damage, and rapid ventricular hypertrophy studies/evidence then?
(asking to learn, not debate)
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Just throw in some masteron with your test and deca. No moonface.
Winnie ruins my skin and makes me feel awful, I fear that androgen like masteron would do the same. Winnie RUINED my skin (big fucking lumps, horrible shit, I had to take antibiotics after that) after 5 fuckin days.
Masteron is gonna fuck up lipids as well. Lipids is only issue I got from tren at this dose.
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Fuck the "thickness" if it comes with severe moonface, it makes me look like a retard.
As much as I enjoy your posts about pros and exotic compounds this whole "2g of test" talk is boring. Everyone knows how these guys look nowadays. Yes, it is "needed", yada, yada, yet no one apart from selected few want to look like that.
Tell us something about how to look good 24/7, about stacks that "fitness models" or "natural bodybuilders do".
I take 50mg of prop, 50mg of tren eod and sometimes go up to 100mg for few weeks and I absolutely love how I look. Too bad it ruins my lipids, so it's not gonna work out in the long run. I would love to hear how maintain this veiny, dense look without taking tren. Var? Bold? How much?
+1.
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Fuck the "thickness" if it comes with severe moonface, it makes me look like a retard.
As much as I enjoy your posts about pros and exotic compounds this whole "2g of test" talk is boring. Everyone knows how these guys look nowadays. Yes, it is "needed", yada, yada, yet no one apart from selected few want to look like that.
Tell us something about how to look good 24/7, about stacks that "fitness models" or "natural bodybuilders do".
I take 50mg of prop, 50mg of tren eod and sometimes go up to 100mg for few weeks and I absolutely love how I look. Too bad it ruins my lipids, so it's not gonna work out in the long run. I would love to hear how maintain this veiny, dense look without taking tren. Var? Bold? How much?
good post, make sense, most do not want to look like a pro nor want to do these enormous doses.
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Winnie ruins my skin and makes me feel awful, I fear that androgen like masteron would do the same. Winnie RUINED my skin (big fucking lumps, horrible shit, I had to take antibiotics after that) after 5 fuckin days.
Masteron is gonna fuck up lipids as well. Lipids is only issue I got from tren at this dose.
Did you have to get blood panel test to find out your lipids were off or can you actually feel something as a result of it?
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Dianabol - decent strength, moonface, fucked up lipids, high BP, didn't feel so good on that
Test - feels good up to 250mg/week or so, then it's bloat, acne and little to no gains apart from water... No dramatic strength gains.
Nandrolone - run it once, it's hard to tell if it works or not, messes up with prolactin so cabaser or no dick. maybe low dose nandrolone will do something.
Winnie - tried two times, stopped after 5 days. CRAZY HIGH bp, terrible skin, felt like absolute shit
Tren - god I love this shit. at 50mg eod I sleep like baby, bp is in check, I feel like I'm fucking high, incredible.
That's my experience. So far test+tren, fuck the rest, not worth it.
I take blood panel every 4 months or so, on test only my lipids are actually way better than OFF. After dianabol and then on tren it looks pretty dramatic tbfh.
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you recommend nolva for that much nandrolone...lol
I call total BS on this dude after reading some of the stuff. At first i was like okay pros do some crazy shit sure, but now that i see nolva mentioned for a 19nor.. considering nolva/clomid can aggrevate gyno with a 19nor.. only prolactin control, and real AIs especially at these doses make any sense. I've tried back and forth and been able to reverse on cycle gyno from 19nor...
This guy is full of shit or even if it's alot of correct stuff, alot of terribly wrong advice things that seem outdated advice or tht could be done alot better with a lot less hassle n pain.
Anyways... Whatever
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Dianabol - decent strength, moonface, fucked up lipids, high BP, didn't feel so good on that
Test - feels good up to 250mg/week or so, then it's bloat, acne and little to no gains apart from water... No dramatic strength gains.
Nandrolone - run it once, it's hard to tell if it works or not, messes up with prolactin so cabaser or no dick. maybe low dose nandrolone will do something.
Winnie - tried two times, stopped after 5 days. CRAZY HIGH bp, terrible skin, felt like absolute shit
Tren - god I love this shit. at 50mg eod I sleep like baby, bp is in check, I feel like I'm fucking high, incredible.
That's my experience. So far test+tren, fuck the rest, not worth it.
I take blood panel every 4 months or so, on test only my lipids are actually way better than OFF. After dianabol and then on tren it looks pretty dramatic tbfh.
ive been on trt does test and tren for a few months now... constant gradual change and quality change.
Deca makes me feel like shit, bloat and appear fat no matter how clean i eat. It's just not for everyone
low dose trt with tren no sides except night sweats.
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Winnie ruins my skin and makes me feel awful, I fear that androgen like masteron would do the same. Winnie RUINED my skin (big fucking lumps, horrible shit, I had to take antibiotics after that) after 5 fuckin days.
Masteron is gonna fuck up lipids as well. Lipids is only issue I got from tren at this dose.
Improves my skin for some reason. Gives it a nice shine to it. I don't break out from much but dbol and tren. I don't really use those anymore. I just stack test low dose masteron and npp or deca.
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Prolactin near 0 on tren with 0.5mg every 4 days. My friend had prolactin near 0 on tren+npp in high dose run at the same time.
NO SIDE EFFECTS WHATSOEVER.
Ahmed run blood panel for lipids, you don't feel it but it's pretty bad, trust me.
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the greatest bodybuilders of all time, pretty much all of them have admitted to using deca in one way or another....and that should be more than enough for anyone. The chemicals in nandrolone bind to receptors in muscle tissue much better than testosterone anyways.
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IMO
If you are really lean then you're gonna look lean no matter what. Fullness and "that look" is another story. It's smarter to be like Galeniko and just stay lean than be fatter and mask that through drugs. Yes, we do that... But that's inly an illusion.
Dieting drugs year round = short life, history always proved that.
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well yes, and some pros are 220lbs,some are 280.
they hardly take the same stuff.
some go off entirely, some always cruise, theres no general rule.
for what its worth, i know some of them personaly and theyre honest to me about their usage.
its nothing out of this world, they simply respond better.i know gymrats who take more gear and look literaly like never been into a gym.
You're fucken crazy if you don't think pros are swimming in grams of gear a week ::) Why wouldn't they? It's how they make a living. They have people looking out for them. A guy like Dennis Wolf is prob pounding 3-5 grams a week on top of a shit load of gh and slin. You don't get that big running gym rat doses. You preach a lot of bullshit.
For the average gym rat ya those doses are ridiculous. We also don't make a living doing it.
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IMO
If you are really lean then you're gonna look lean no matter what. Fullness and "that look" is another story. It's smarter to be like Galeniko and just stay lean than be fatter and mask that through drugs. Yes, we do that... But that's inly an illusion.
Dieting drugs year round = short life, history always proved that.
it depends if im on the dating market or not bro. if i feel like being single and love life is in the shits rather become a pig, take shitloads of deca and have fun in the gym. trying to look good all the time is depressing and ime gets boring....and is a feminine qulity.....rather be a pig half the year with a moonface and look sexy three months out of the year.....cause I need to have the dramatic changes in front of my eyes to keep myself motivated.
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i know exactly what dennis wolf took.every single compound and the amounts.
most big pros use test 1-2 gramms weekly as base, 10-20 ius gh and some insulin.thats that, reduce the test a bit and replace with dieting drugs for diet and thats about it.
theres no magic tricks.
Come on bro, I am personal friends with a 6 or 7 ifbb pros, not just hey buddies but drinking pals that come by on UFC events to my house and everyone one of them take triple what you mentioned bro, the standard is 250mg of cyp or test e per day combined with 100mg of test p per day, all the pros I know take this on of season.
and 15 iu gh is lowest I have heard of if it is human grade but 2 of my buddies (pros) both take 30 iu gh per day of generic. we have to face the facts here bro it is a chemical warfare. I would not lie to anyone here bro.
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If a guy like Dennis who just cracks the top 5 can do all of that on 1-2 grams a week why wouldn't he push it a little harder and up the dose. I'm sure he wouldn't mind winning the Olympia ::)
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the standard is 250mg of cyp or test e per day combined with 100mg of test p per day, all the pros I know take this on of season.
Seems reasonable to me. Friend of mine that is competing at nationals is also taking 2.5g of test per week.
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Reading through a few threads today, I couldnt help but notice an overwhelming dislike toward deca. This was surprising to me as deca is one of the most widely used and highest dosed drugs in the bodybuilding scene. I thought I would describe a bit on how deca is used today in the top national and pro ranks for great results.
#1) never come off deca. Just like test, deca is part of the "cruise." The most basic cruise cycle among most top guys is 1-2 grams of test and 800mg's of deca. Deca maintains a level of thick muscularity and density that few other drugs build over time. When one stays on deca for long durations without break, that is part of what builds that extremely thick and dense muscle mass that the top guys have.
#2) never go lower than 800mg's of deca. Going lower than 800mg's of deca is pretty much worthless. You will get all the negative side effects (if you are so predisposed) but none of the thick, dense mass that deca builds in doses of 800+.
#3) use NPP in 6-8 week periods to blast up to 2 grams of nandralone. Incorporate 6-8 week blasts in your offseason of up to 2 grams of nandralone by using NPP. 6-8 weeks on 2 grams of deca and you will build some serious muscle mass that will not come off when you drop back down to 800mg's.
Sample nandralone cycle:
Weeks 1-4 CRUISE
1,500mg testosterone cyp
800mg deca
5iu GH monday through friday
5iu humalog in morning and preworkout
Weeks 5-12 BLAST
1,500mg test cyp
800mg deca
150mg test prop ED
150mg npp ED
100mg TNE ED
100mg dbol ED
15iu GH post workout only
15iu humalog in morning and preworkout
Stupid as fuck.
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Seems reasonable to me. Friend of mine that is competing at nationals is also taking 2.5g of test per week.
They all do, a shot per day of long ester and a shot per day of short ester, in fact a shot per day is the norm for any and every compound
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Seems reasonable to me. Friend of mine that is competing at nationals is also taking 2.5g of test per week.
Obviously he has shit genetics cause all lee priest needed was a little deca for his joints mate.
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Stupid as fuck.
Theres guys on gh7+8s site running that for their first cycle
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Why all the needless complexity?
12 Week Cycle
Test Enth/Cyp - 500mg p/wk. (1000mg in first week if you like to front load)
EQ - 400mg p/wk.
Anavar - 25 to 40mg per day.
Use some AI during and after.
Take care of your diet/cardio and you will be golden.
400mg eq is worthless....
and if you're a man, anavar is worthless..
that looks like a Greg Zulak cycle.
..... and a 1 week 'frontload'? lol
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Theres guys on gh7+8s site running that for their first cycle
Yeah, and sometimes even more...still, stupid as fuck!
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Dianabol - decent strength, moonface, fucked up lipids, high BP, didn't feel so good on that
Test - feels good up to 250mg/week or so, then it's bloat, acne and little to no gains apart from water... No dramatic strength gains.
Nandrolone - run it once, it's hard to tell if it works or not, messes up with prolactin so cabaser or no dick. maybe low dose nandrolone will do something.
Winnie - tried two times, stopped after 5 days. CRAZY HIGH bp, terrible skin, felt like absolute shit
Tren - god I love this shit. at 50mg eod I sleep like baby, bp is in check, I feel like I'm fucking high, incredible.
That's my experience. So far test+tren, fuck the rest, not worth it.
I take blood panel every 4 months or so, on test only my lipids are actually way better than OFF. After dianabol and then on tren it looks pretty dramatic tbfh.
you sir, have the absolute worst response to anabolics i have ever seen. or, youre just a hypocondriac (however the fuck you spell it).
5 days is not enough to raise BP on winny...
low dose nandrolone will do absolutely nothing.
250mg a week of test should pretty much be a starting point, at least. the 150-200mg you're using is hardly anything.
50mg eod of tren is a small, but probably adequate dose.
............. i have a guy i work with who's deathly afraid of using more than 400mg test and actually drove himself to the hospital twice.. once freaking out after drinking a Speed Stack, and once freaking out at work after taking 40mcg Clen.
You remind me of him........ (and he wears skinny jeans.. that's bad company)
- on a lighter note; good job on the physique with womens vollyball steroid-doses.
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yes this.
so far, dieting year round and low dose test with cutting compound is all that id know.
everything more gear or food,i end up permabulker look :-X
Believe it or not for the very little amount you take you have amazing genetic response.
Let's put galeniko on 4 grams and 20iu ;D
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hey oth, my boy pulled 725 on deads last night.
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Deca is definitely good stuff - especially combined with a little test. It's so hated and underrated.
Last i did -- for 10 weeks
250mg Test
500mg Deca e/ 7 days
I had full muscle bellies on it. I was the strongest and leanest i ever looked on any compound i've used this far without any type of diet. I could just imagine that combo outlaid by BFG. It would definitely be a blast to run.
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Deca is definitely good stuff - especially combined with a little test. It's so hated and underrated.
Last i did -- for 10 weeks
250mg Test
500mg Deca e/ 7 days
I had full muscle bellies on it. I was the strongest and leanest, i ever looked on any compound i've used this far without any type of diet. I could just imagine that combo outlaid by BFG. It would definitely be a blast to run.
I like nandrolone....get good size, strength, stimulates my appetite like nothing else and best of all the joints feel like brand new. Gotta be careful with that cause it can mask underlying injuries though.
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Come on bro, I am personal friends with a 6 or 7 ifbb pros, not just hey buddies but drinking pals that come by on UFC events to my house and everyone one of them take triple what you mentioned bro, the standard is 250mg of cyp or test e per day combined with 100mg of test p per day, all the pros I know take this on of season.
and 15 iu gh is lowest I have heard of if it is human grade but 2 of my buddies (pros) both take 30 iu gh per day of generic. we have to face the facts here bro it is a chemical warfare. I would not lie to anyone here bro.
Can you give us one of their stacks then? You don't have to say who it is, but I'd be curious to know what these guys take for the most part.
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Can you give us one of their stacks then? You don't have to say who it is, but I'd be curious to know what these guys take for the most part.
I will text my friend right now and give you sample of what he took for his last show, the Toronro pro but will not say who
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I will text my friend right now and give you sample of what he took for his last show, the Toronro pro but will not say who
That would be cool. thanks OTH
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hey oth, my boy pulled 725 on deads last night.
That is crazy bro, your friend is an insane deadlifter :o
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That would be cool. thanks OTH
he will write me something tonight he said.
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this is the problem with guys like gh15 and bfg.
not saying its their fault, nono.
but even the pros started out somewhat on sane dosages.
i would hope no one is dumb enough to run this as their first cycle. if you are still doing "cycles" this is not for you.
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400mg eq is worthless....
and if you're a man, anavar is worthless..
that looks like a Greg Zulak cycle.
..... and a 1 week 'frontload'? lol
Nothing wrong with that cycle. Go ahead and load up on 10 different things for 12 months.
This isn't rocket science or a dick measuring contest.
Eat and lift and you'll do just fine with that.
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i know exactly what dennis wolf took.every single compound and the amounts.
most big pros use test 1-2 gramms weekly as base, 10-20 ius gh and some insulin.thats that, reduce the test a bit and replace with dieting drugs for diet and thats about it.
theres no magic tricks.
oh brother...
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not everyone lactates on that much nandralone. a major aspect of being a top competitor is being genetically blessed at not getting bad side effects and health issues. a top national competitor in the light heavies in the late 90s in jersey used to run 250mg's of test, 2 grams of deca, 2 grams of eq in the offseason and never had issues.
go ahead and try to stay on prami or caber year round and see why its a very, very bad idea.
Why is year round low dose caber detrimental exactly? A lot of people have to take it for other ailments besides sweet muscles.. the biggest complaint seems to be rock hard boners all the time. What are your thoughts?
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would be nice to be able to metabolize 800mg a week of deca
I had 100mg on 'scrip before they closed down my old Dr, at that dose it was great for all the pain and pretty much no thick skin, bloat etc.
hate the stuff at a 'real' dose :(
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Why is year round low dose caber detrimental exactly? A lot of people have to take it for other ailments besides sweet muscles.. the biggest complaint seems to be rock hard boners all the time. What are your thoughts?
Withdrawal, dopaminergic augmentation, receptor downregulation, etc....
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I know a guy who used to be one of the top NPC guys in New York, trained at Bev's and knew a bunch of pro's. He was featured in Muscle and Fitness a few times in the late 90's and early 00's. Anyway he used to be very honest about his gear usage and I've posted his bulking cycles on the AAS board a few times.
He would use something similar to the following for 5-6 months out of the year when he was trying to gain weight. He was 5'9" and weighed 280-290 in the off-season and competed at around 215-220. I bet there are people on this board that know him.
3000mg Test E or Sust
1200mg Deca
900mg Eq
150mg Drol ED
30iu Slin with every meal
10iu Pharma GH
He was big into HG gear, his Test was always from a pharmacy. He would pay $12 per amp for Test if he had to. He didn't use any ancillaries, thought they were a waste of time.
This is what he used in the off-season, he was a huge supporter of bulking and he ate 6-8k calories a day of clean food. I remember we went out the eat at a steakhouse and he polished off two steaks, three appetizers and a lobster tail like it was nothing. He lived a relatively healthy lifestyle and his blood work wasn't too far off. He was on AAS for 8 years and never went below 1000mg even for a cruise. Big dude, he could incline press 160 pound DB's without a spot and squat 585 for 12 reps in the off season.
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And how's he doing today? ;)
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And how's he doing today? ;)
Perfectly fine, he quit body building back in 2006.
He doesn't even need TRT and he's in his late 30's.
Hard to believe, but he's still about 230-240 and looks really muscular. He never let himself go, he just came off the AAS cold turkey and kept training. The only problem he has is that his joints are pretty much destroyed.
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Perfectly fine
The only problem he has is that his joints are pretty much destroyed.
??? ??? ??? ???
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Withdrawal, dopaminergic augmentation, receptor downregulation, etc....
oh brother, receptor downregulation ::)
I think there is potential heart damage, at least with some of these dopaminergics, which is no joke.
I think these guys saying you "have to" use "prami" on certain steroids is a joke. You are getting into a type of polypharmacy which can truly damage you.
I would also bet that most who think their prolactin is elevated are wrong. The research says androgens lower prolactin, while estrogens increases it. Testosterone has been shown to increase prolactin due to the aromatization... so why aren't guys jumping on Caber or Prami when doing test only cycles? Just because Caber or Prami makes your dick hard doesn't mean the problem was prolactin, strictly speaking. These drugs will boost libido even without any steroid use.
Deceiver, you say you have friends who tested their prolactin. Did they also test their prolactin on steroids but off Caber?
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??? ??? ??? ???
Perfectly fine cardiovascular system.
Which is what most people think gets hurt the most from AAS use, he could have destroyed his joints without AAS.
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His natural test recovered after all them years of none stop grams of test?
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I know a guy who used to be one of the top NPC guys in New York, trained at Bev's and knew a bunch of pro's. He was featured in Muscle and Fitness a few times in the late 90's and early 00's. Anyway he used to be very honest about his gear usage and I've posted his bulking cycles on the AAS board a few times.
He would use something similar to the following for 5-6 months out of the year when he was trying to gain weight. He was 5'9" and weighed 280-290 in the off-season and competed at around 215-220. I bet there are people on this board that know him.
3000mg Test E or Sust
1200mg Deca
900mg Eq
150mg Drol ED
30iu Slin with every meal
10iu Pharma GH
He was big into HG gear, his Test was always from a pharmacy. He would pay $12 per amp for Test if he had to. He didn't use any ancillaries, thought they were a waste of time.
This is what he used in the off-season, he was a huge supporter of bulking and he ate 6-8k calories a day of clean food. I remember we went out the eat at a steakhouse and he polished off two steaks, three appetizers and a lobster tail like it was nothing. He lived a relatively healthy lifestyle and his blood work wasn't too far off. He was on AAS for 8 years and never went below 1000mg even for a cruise. Big dude, he could incline press 160 pound DB's without a spot and squat 585 for 12 reps in the off season.
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Wow! This just goes to show how important genetics and clean foods are for health.
Do the pros you know run similar doses?
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His natural test recovered after all them years of none stop grams of test?
It sure did, but it took about a year before his levels were within normal range. He never did any form of PCT and just quit cold turkey. I've seen his blood work and that's the reason why i know he's telling the truth. I've known him for almost 15 years.
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Wow! This just goes to show how important genetics and clean foods are for health.
Do the pros you know run similar doses?
The only Pro i've known who was honest with their doses was on enough AAS to kill a gorilla. I have an email from years ago that laid it all out, but it was pretty complex and he changed his compounds every few weeks. Basically, he just injected about 6g's of random compounds every week and took enough orals to make people cry. Most people don't believe this, but these guys do things that are unheard of, lots of rec drugs and weird site injections.
I will look for it tonight, he was pretty open about it and even stated that most Pro's he knew were drug dealers in some way. He used to train at Metroflex years ago, but moved to Nevada. Doesn't compete anymore either.
I spoke to another Pro who trained with Branch and he said he took 1500mg of Test a week and that was it. He claimed insulin wasn't needed and that GH was for the "small" guys. ::) Hard to believe these guys, i can understand why they lie i guess, nobody wants to admit this sport is about how many drugs your body can handle for an extended period of time without failing.
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I looked into cabergoline and I noticed there was potential heart valve damage from use but at the time being paranoid about gyno I had to resort to it. Actually still have some left back from when I ran npp alone (yeah I know). At first b6 seemed to be doing the trick....
I think there is potential heart damage, at least with some of these dopaminergics, which is no joke.
I think these guys saying you "have to" use "prami" on certain steroids is a joke. You are getting into a type of polypharmacy which can truly damage you.
I would also bet that most who think their prolactin is elevated are wrong. The research says androgens lower prolactin, while estrogens increases it. Testosterone has been shown to increase prolactin due to the aromatization... so why aren't guys jumping on Caber or Prami when doing test only cycles? Just because Caber or Prami makes your dick hard doesn't mean the problem was prolactin, strictly speaking. These drugs will boost libido even without any steroid use.
Deceiver, you say you have friends who tested their prolactin. Did they also test their prolactin on steroids but off Caber?
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The only Pro i've known who was honest with their doses was on enough AAS to kill a gorilla. I have an email from years ago that laid it all out, but it was pretty complex and he changed his compounds every few weeks. Basically, he just injected about 6g's of random compounds every week and took enough orals to make people cry. Most people don't believe this, but these guys do things that are unheard of, lots of rec drugs and weird site injections.
I will look for it tonight, he was pretty open about it and even stated that most Pro's he knew were drug dealers in some way. He used to train at Metroflex years ago, but moved to Nevada. Doesn't compete anymore either.
I spoke to another Pro who trained with Branch and he said he took 1500mg of Test a week and that was it. He claimed insulin wasn't needed and that GH was for the "small" guys. ::) Hard to believe these guys, i can understand why they lie i guess, nobody wants to admit this sport is about how many drugs your body can handle for an extended period of time without failing.
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Please post the cycle/email if you find it. And by that, I mean you better be finding it!!! ;D
You can block out the name/etc if you want. It doesn't matter to me who it is.
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I know a guy who used to be one of the top NPC guys in New York, trained at Bev's and knew a bunch of pro's. He was featured in Muscle and Fitness a few times in the late 90's and early 00's. Anyway he used to be very honest about his gear usage and I've posted his bulking cycles on the AAS board a few times.
He would use something similar to the following for 5-6 months out of the year when he was trying to gain weight. He was 5'9" and weighed 280-290 in the off-season and competed at around 215-220. I bet there are people on this board that know him.
3000mg Test E or Sust
1200mg Deca
900mg Eq
150mg Drol ED
30iu Slin with every meal
10iu Pharma GH
He was big into HG gear, his Test was always from a pharmacy. He would pay $12 per amp for Test if he had to. He didn't use any ancillaries, thought they were a waste of time.
This is what he used in the off-season, he was a huge supporter of bulking and he ate 6-8k calories a day of clean food. I remember we went out the eat at a steakhouse and he polished off two steaks, three appetizers and a lobster tail like it was nothing. He lived a relatively healthy lifestyle and his blood work wasn't too far off. He was on AAS for 8 years and never went below 1000mg even for a cruise. Big dude, he could incline press 160 pound DB's without a spot and squat 585 for 12 reps in the off season.
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Seems like a healthy,long living lifestyle to me. Afew grams of gear a week and 7k calories of food a day.
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Fuck, I love this thread. Like the old days minus asshat15. Keep the steroid debate going. Speaking of lactating, I saw this one tranny porn where the
guy gal had milk comming out of his/her nipples. Creepy shit.
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Seems like a healthy,long living lifestyle to me. Afew grams of gear a week and 7k calories of food a day.
The key word is relative .
But either way, whether he looked like a bloated bag of shit or had his liver shut down, that right there is real mans cycle.
You best believe.
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That would be cool. thanks OTH
This is the way I was given the info. He sent me then this morning
Ok here is what he wrote; an Ifbb pro, This is fucken even crazier then I thought :o :o
Part 1 of contest prep till the half way mark
1 amp per day of sustonon
100 mg of prop per day
100mg TNE per day
200mg EQ acetate ester
150 mg tren a per day
100 mg anadrol per day
60 mcg of clen per day
18 IU of generic gh per day
insulin-- did not say how much.
Part 2 till the 2 week out mark
100mg of proper day
150mg TNE per day
200 mg tren a per day
100 mg masteron per day
150 mg anadrol per day
100 mg of whinny per day
100mg anavar per day
100mcg clen per day
24 iu of gh per day
insulin- did not say how much
Part 3 2 weeks out
100mg test suspension per day
250 mg tren a per day
200 mg of masteron per day
50 mg anadrol per day
200 mg anavar per
200 mg of whinny per day
6 iu of gh per day
No insulin
No clen
He said he did some clomid and some letro along the way (did not say when or how much) Used a lot of caffeine and said he used t3 partially here and there. Used ephedrine for his workouts and at 10 days out he started site injections to bring up some week bodyparts.
That's it.
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wow serious lol. How do they afford this shit lol... I need some better sources noaaw :D
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wow serious lol. How do they afford this shit lol... I need some better sources noaaw :D
I know fucken fearless :D
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This is the way I was given the info. He sent me then this morning
Ok here is what he wrote; an Ifbb pro, This is fucken even crazier then I thought :o :o
Part 1 of contest prep till the half way mark
1 amp per day of sustonon
100 mg of prop per day
100mg TNE per day
200mg EQ acetate ester
150 mg tren a per day
100 mg anadrol per day
60 mcg of clen per day
18 IU of generic gh per day
insulin-- did not say how much.
Part 2 till the 2 week out mark
100mg of proper day
150mg TNE per day
200 mg tren a per day
100 mg masteron per day
150 mg anadrol per day
100 mg of whinny per day
100mg anavar per day
100mcg clen per day
24 iu of gh per day
insulin- did not say how much
Part 3 2 weeks out
100mg test suspension per day
250 mg tren a per day
200 mg of masteron per day
50 mg anadrol per day
200 mg anavar per
200 mg of whinny per day
6 iu of gh per day
No insulin
No clen
He said he did some clomid and some letro along the way (did not say when or how much) Used a lot of caffeine and said he used t3 partially here and there. Used ephedrine for his workouts and at 10 days out he started site injections to bring up some week bodyparts.
That's it.
Thanks for posting the truth and not claiming he used 2 grams of gear and 5iu's of gh, lol.
pretty standard "cycle" (i hate that word because no one "cycles" off anyway) there. I dont know the guy so i hope im not coming across as off base but if someone presented this to me as their contest prep protocol the feedback id give:
1) instead of running test up to the day of the contest, increase the anadrol to 200mg's per day about 5-7 days out
2) letrozole @ 2.5mg and arimadex at 1mg
3) diurietcs?? i assume he was using them. if not...at the very least some dyazide, dependent on how things progress maybe IV lasix the last couple days
4) if using IV lasix def go with a good plasma expander to stay full before the show
5) drop the gh 2 weeks out
6) halotestin and winstrol suspension! masteron, tren, halo and winny suspension is what you need
7) also id always recommend 1 gram or so of primo over anavar at any dose. if you cant go up to a gram or more of primo due to funds then stick with var.
8) any reason hes not carbing up with slin??
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Thanks for posting the truth and not claiming he used 2 grams of gear and 5iu's of gh, lol.
pretty standard "cycle" (i hate that word because no one "cycles" off anyway) there. I dont know the guy so i hope im not coming across as off base but if someone presented this to me as their contest prep protocol the feedback id give:
1) instead of running test up to the day of the contest, increase the anadrol to 200mg's per day about 5-7 days out
2) letrozole @ 2.5mg and arimadex at 1mg
3) diurietcs?? i assume he was using them. if not...at the very least some dyazide, dependent on how things progress maybe IV lasix the last couple days
4) if using IV lasix def go with a good plasma expander to stay full before the show
5) drop the gh 2 weeks out
6) halotestin and winstrol suspension! masteron, tren, halo and winny suspension is what you need
7) also id always recommend 1 gram or so of primo over anavar at any dose. if you cant go up to a gram or more of primo due to funds then stick with var.
8) any reason hes not carbing up with slin??
This is nuts but the pros don't fuck around. I am sure he does diuretic although he did not mention them but I will run those things you wrote by him. He did say he used to drop his gh out completely at the 2 week mark but he said it was to hard to adapt to the change so he drops it to 6 iu's instead. He does carb up with slin leading to the show but he didn't say much about this.
As for halo and primo, I will ask him what he thinks of these and why he did not used them. Primo is the best in my opnion, the hardest I ever looked was on primo and I don't think I will ever not use it when getting shredded again
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This is nuts but the pros don't fuck around. I am sure he does diuretic although he did not mention them but I will run those things you wrote by him. He did say he used to drop his gh out completely at the 2 week mark but he said it was to hard to adapt to the change so he drops it to 6 iu's instead. He does carb up with slin leading to the show but he didn't say much about this.
As for halo and primo, I will ask him what he thinks of these and why he did not used them. Primo is the best in my opnion, the hardest I ever looked was on primo and I don't think I will ever not use it when getting shredded again
WILD ,,,ANS IMAGINE DOING THIS OFF AND ON FOR 10/15 YRS AS TOP PRO AND ADDING OTHER COMPOUNDS THAT CAME ALONG THE WAY NEW ENVOGE ..
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This is the way I was given the info. He sent me then this morning
Ok here is what he wrote; an Ifbb pro, This is fucken even crazier then I thought
Part 1 of contest prep till the half way mark
1 amp per day of sustonon
100 mg of prop per day
100mg TNE per day
200mg EQ acetate ester
150 mg tren a per day
100 mg anadrol per day
60 mcg of clen per day
18 IU of generic gh per day
insulin-- did not say how much.
Part 2 till the 2 week out mark
100mg of proper day
150mg TNE per day
200 mg tren a per day
100 mg masteron per day
150 mg anadrol per day
100 mg of whinny per day
100mg anavar per day
100mcg clen per day
24 iu of gh per day
insulin- did not say how much
Part 3 2 weeks out
100mg test suspension per day
250 mg tren a per day
200 mg of masteron per day
50 mg anadrol per day
200 mg anavar per
200 mg of whinny per day
6 iu of gh per day
No insulin
No clen
He said he did some clomid and some letro along the way (did not say when or how much) Used a lot of caffeine and said he used t3 partially here and there. Used ephedrine for his workouts and at 10 days out he started site injections to bring up some week bodyparts.
That's it.
Thats fucking pathetic, what a sad twat he must be sitting alone at every night shoving needle after needle into himself.
What a fucking loser.
How can people like this look anyone in the eye and be proud of what they "think" they have achieved.
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I think there is potential heart damage, at least with some of these dopaminergics, which is no joke.
I think these guys saying you "have to" use "prami" on certain steroids is a joke. You are getting into a type of polypharmacy which can truly damage you.
I would also bet that most who think their prolactin is elevated are wrong. The research says androgens lower prolactin, while estrogens increases it. Testosterone has been shown to increase prolactin due to the aromatization... so why aren't guys jumping on Caber or Prami when doing test only cycles? Just because Caber or Prami makes your dick hard doesn't mean the problem was prolactin, strictly speaking. These drugs will boost libido even without any steroid use.
Deceiver, you say you have friends who tested their prolactin. Did they also test their prolactin on steroids but off Caber?
Of course. That's well known fact dude. Many have tested for prolactin on tren and deca, that's the way we check if it's legit or not. Blood tests are fairly cheap in Poland so we do them all the time.
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What about sets of 15-20 reps the last weeks before a contest to get a shredded physique?
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Thats fucking pathetic, what a sad twat he must be sitting alone at every night shoving needle after needle into himself.
What a fucking loser.
How can people like this look anyone in the eye and be proud of what they "think" they have achieved.
No one asked you retard.
Go tell the mountain climber he is an idiot cause people die everyday mountain climbing or skiing. If you want to live a normal life so be it, who the fuck has the right to tell you otherwise.
To each their own fuck face, some like gymnastics some like basketball and some like to push their physique beyond human boundaries at all cost, all are acceptable as each individual choose their own path.
You are just a whiny little bitch anyway, a insignificant nobody :-*
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You are just a whiny little bitch anyway, a insignificant nobody
And you are famous for getting in shape once in your life.
You will go down in history as one of the sports legends.
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And you are famous for getting in shape once in your life.
You will go down in history as one of the sports legends.
i bet he looks better than you
you are a whiny little cu nt stfu
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i bet he looks better than you
He wont in 6 weeks ;)
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He wont in 6 weeks ;)
Bro seriously stop shitting on the thread, fuck I would almost trade jon Harridon for you as your just as annoying around here.
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He wont in 6 weeks ;)
why are you killing yourself
thank fuck
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Bro seriously stop shitting on the thread, fuck I would almost trade jon Harridon for you as your just as annoying around here.
Commenting on one of your posts isn't shitting on the thread, posting insults and hurling abuse around is shitting on the thread.
Why cant you just accept other people have opinions you crazy twat, get back on the gear before you kill someone.
I bet its a joy to be around you nowadays.
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OTH and Overload adding some good stuff here. That many injections per day sounds painful :-X
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Commenting on one of your posts isn't shitting on the thread, posting insults and hurling abuse around is shitting on the thread.
Why cant you just accept other people have opinions you crazy twat, get back on the gear before you kill someone.
I bet its a joy to be around you nowadays.
No shit sherlock, WTF do you think you did ding dong. You hurled abuse and insults. Did you not? You fucken dumbass.
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No shit sherlock, WTF do you think you did ding dong. You hurled abuse and insults. Did you not? You fucken dumbass.
it's the best way to respond to people of below average intelligence, subtlety goes right over your head.
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And you are famous for getting in shape once in your life.
You will go down in history as one of the sports legends.
and what the fuck will you go down as in history? the guy who judges others and looks down on them for doing things you dont agree with? gtfo
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it's the best way to respond to people of below average intelligence, subtlety goes right over your head.
Do you know what intelligence is? Let me help you: it's not about understanding subtleties.
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OTH and Overload adding some good stuff here. That many injections per day sounds painful :-X
The injection after awhile become very easy, also this guy has muscle everywhere so he injections in multiple spots, 2 spots in each quads, 2 spots in each glute, 3 spots in each shoulder, biceps, triceps. Basically at this point he will use every muscle possible.
For most this would be a problem, as for me I make sure my gear is painless, if I take a shot out of a bottle and it has a litle pain then I will not use it, with the exception of prop.
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and what the fuck will you go down as in history? the guy who judges others and looks down on them for doing things you dont agree with? gtfo
Exactly
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The injection after awhile become very easy, also this guy has muscle everywhere so he injections in multiple spots, 2 spots in each quads, 2 spots in each glute, 3 spots in each shoulder, biceps, triceps. Basically at this point he will use every muscle possible.
For most this would be a problem, as for me I make sure my gear is painless, if I take a shot out of a bottle and it has a litle pain then I will not use it, with the exception of prop.
With that many frequent injections do guys like him/you do anything special to keep scar tissue build up down or do you guys just not have an issue with it?
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I dont know where you get the idea that Im against people using drugs in bodybuilding, its just that cycle is ridiculous, you could take that and go to the gym and just do a pump workout, you would hadly have to train hard, in fact, I bet its next to impossible to train hard due to the huge pump you will get within minutes of lifting a weight.
Talk about "all drugs" ::)
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I dont know where you get the idea that Im against people using drugs in bodybuilding, its just that cycle is ridiculous, you could take that and go to the gym and just do a pump workout, you would hadly have to train hard, in fact, I bet its next to impossible to train hard due to the huge pump you will get within minutes of lifting a weight.
Talk about "all drugs" ::)
How can you know if you've never done it?
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That stack would make 95% of the people on here ill.
If it didnt they should change their dealer.
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With that many frequent injections do guys like him/you do anything special to keep scar tissue build up down or do you guys just not have an issue with it?
I never go over 3000mg but this guy is in upwards of 6000-7000mg per week. Well we change pins after withdrawing from the bottle and we used 23 g or smaller, I use 25g. It will make a noticeable difference to change the pin cause once it goes through the rubber stopper it dulls a bit, also every injection contains a full 3 cc's as to do less injections, mixing the gear in a single syringe is no problem.
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This is nuts but the pros don't fuck around. I am sure he does diuretic although he did not mention them but I will run those things you wrote by him. He did say he used to drop his gh out completely at the 2 week mark but he said it was to hard to adapt to the change so he drops it to 6 iu's instead. He does carb up with slin leading to the show but he didn't say much about this.
As for halo and primo, I will ask him what he thinks of these and why he did not used them. Primo is the best in my opnion, the hardest I ever looked was on primo and I don't think I will ever not use it when getting shredded again
"nuts" is 10 grams of testosterone per week...yes its been done, hint: kovacs exposed him publicly for it in retaliation.
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With that many frequent injections do guys like him/you do anything special to keep scar tissue build up down or do you guys just not have an issue with it?
higher dosed gear for less volume injections, learning to fit 4-5cc's in your quads glutes and vg.
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That stack would make 95% of the people on here ill.
If it didnt they should change their dealer.
No it wouldn't, it would make 99% of people on here ill and that is the reason it is hard to turn pro cause very few have the genetic capability and the tolerance for this. It takes a brute and tough motherfuck... to do this.
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This is the way I was given the info. He sent me then this morning
Ok here is what he wrote; an Ifbb pro, This is fucken even crazier then I thought :o :o
Part 1 of contest prep till the half way mark
1 amp per day of sustonon
100 mg of prop per day
100mg TNE per day
200mg EQ acetate ester
150 mg tren a per day
100 mg anadrol per day
60 mcg of clen per day
18 IU of generic gh per day
insulin-- did not say how much.
Part 2 till the 2 week out mark
100mg of proper day
150mg TNE per day
200 mg tren a per day
100 mg masteron per day
150 mg anadrol per day
100 mg of whinny per day
100mg anavar per day
100mcg clen per day
24 iu of gh per day
insulin- did not say how much
Part 3 2 weeks out
100mg test suspension per day
250 mg tren a per day
200 mg of masteron per day
50 mg anadrol per day
200 mg anavar per
200 mg of whinny per day
6 iu of gh per day
No insulin
No clen
He said he did some clomid and some letro along the way (did not say when or how much) Used a lot of caffeine and said he used t3 partially here and there. Used ephedrine for his workouts and at 10 days out he started site injections to bring up some week bodyparts.
That's it.
Where is the legit kigtropina??????????? All IFBB pro's use legit kigtropina...
:D
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"nuts" is 10 grams of testosterone per week...yes its been done, hint: kovacs exposed him publicly for it in retaliation.
Beautiful man with glasses ???
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I never go over 3000mg but this guy is in upwards of 6000-7000mg per week. Well we change pins after withdrawing from the bottle and we used 23 g or smaller, I use 25g. It will make a noticeable difference to change the pin cause once it goes through the rubber stopper it dulls a bit, also every injection contains a full 3 cc's as to do less injections, mixing the gear in a single syringe is no problem.
Dorian said never to mix your gears together. it can cause reactions with the different suspension agents and between the compounds themselves. better to let every compound go into the bloodstream in it's pure form.
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Dorian said never to mix your gears together. it can cause reactions with the different suspension agents and between the compounds themselves. better to let every compound go into the bloodstream in it's pure form.
No way, I don't know why he said that, I could be wring but I see no difference or reasoning behind this.
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No way, I don't know why he said that, I could be wring but I see no difference or reasoning behind this.
I know....i just made it up... ;D
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I know....i just made it up... ;D
lmao ;D
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I never go over 3000mg but this guy is in upwards of 6000-7000mg per week. Well we change pins after withdrawing from the bottle and we used 23 g or smaller, I use 25g. It will make a noticeable difference to change the pin cause once it goes through the rubber stopper it dulls a bit, also every injection contains a full 3 cc's as to do less injections, mixing the gear in a single syringe is no problem.
Ah, makes sense.
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Bro seriously stop shitting on the thread, fuck I would almost trade jon Harridon for you as your just as annoying around here.
lmao
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ukjeff sounds like really stupid guy to be honest.
Please tell me, how the fuck does taking more steroids make you "lazy"? Training - pumping or heavy, powerlifting style, is FUN. That's cool part, feeling the pump and watching your muscles explode. Lifting heavier and heavier weights is fun as well.
Hard part about all that shit is diet and you fucking know that, you competed. You can take 10g of test and it simply won't make up for shitty diet in regards to contest prep.
Now, people who take botloads of t3, DNP and so on in order to balance their shitty eating habits - they are fucking lazy - like Palumbo and his bullshit that he HAD to eat pizza in order to maintain muscle... What about dropping t3 to 50mcg instead of 1kg and reducing calories instead?
Anabolics stated above are REQUIRED in order to maintain mascularity that is needed nowadays in bodybuilding.
To me, sad part is that with all that test and gh their heads are bloated and HUGE, on top of that they never really get rid of that additional bloat which makes them look even less impressive. There are shots when Kai, standing alone, seems smaller than fucking Schwarzenegger and to everyone it is pretty obvious that he's like literally two times bigger.
Nowadays 90% of pros have shitty structures as well. They were born with shitty structures, they took shitton of drugs that ruin their structures... Result is a fucking mess.
Have you seen NPC nationals? Yes, these guys are bigger, but when it comes to structure everyone sucks donkey balls. Just imagine what is bound to happen when these guys up the dose.
Coleman had amazing physique when he was younger. Dense, thick muscle, full muscle bellies, TINY waist. Take a look what happened to him when he started abuse. Now imagine what we're gonna see in 10 years from now. I'm afraid we'll miss Branch Warren.
ps. I really love Palumbo and his "supercharged metabolism" he brags so much about. No shit, you're on 1kg of t3 per day.
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I'm afraid we'll miss Branch Warren.
LOL!
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This is the way I was given the info. He sent me then this morning
Ok here is what he wrote; an Ifbb pro, This is fucken even crazier then I thought :o :o
Part 1 of contest prep till the half way mark
1 amp per day of sustonon
100 mg of prop per day
100mg TNE per day
200mg EQ acetate ester
150 mg tren a per day
100 mg anadrol per day
60 mcg of clen per day
18 IU of generic gh per day
insulin-- did not say how much.
Part 2 till the 2 week out mark
100mg of proper day
150mg TNE per day
200 mg tren a per day
100 mg masteron per day
150 mg anadrol per day
100 mg of whinny per day
100mg anavar per day
100mcg clen per day
24 iu of gh per day
insulin- did not say how much
Part 3 2 weeks out
100mg test suspension per day
250 mg tren a per day
200 mg of masteron per day
50 mg anadrol per day
200 mg anavar per
200 mg of whinny per day
6 iu of gh per day
No insulin
No clen
He said he did some clomid and some letro along the way (did not say when or how much) Used a lot of caffeine and said he used t3 partially here and there. Used ephedrine for his workouts and at 10 days out he started site injections to bring up some week bodyparts.
That's it.
Just noticed the guy was using EQ acetate. Your friend must have both an amazing pain tolerance and an amazingly skilled lab/chef.
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Just noticed the guy was using EQ acetate. Your friend must have both an amazing pain tolerance and an amazingly skilled lab/chef.
EQ kills my sex drive and gives me marginal gains. besides the vascularity it offers, I am not a big fan
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even of you add a bit test to it?
yes. test is always a staple of mine, never run something without it. something about EQ though... I can still get off but my usual animal instinct libido is dampened.
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Deca is a great drug I just think alot of guys get shit quality and do not get the gains they should get. You also have to be patient with deca! It is not a drug that works in a week. Deca takes some serious time to peak on. That is why NPP is getting more popular. If you tal to any old school bodybuilder they will say deca is the shit. I think the wuality back in the late 70's and 8-'s was al;ot better for some reason.
all these UGL's have shitty deca. Get some pharm grade euro deca and use 600-800mg for a few months and you will blow up on it if it is legit nandrolone decanoate. Deca dick is for real! so you do have to know what you are doing! NPP is also a great addition. Sometimes I think running s small dose of nandrolone decanoate and just switching to NPP for the rest of the cycle is the best way to go.
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I think there is potential heart damage, at least with some of these dopaminergics, which is no joke.
I think these guys saying you "have to" use "prami" on certain steroids is a joke. You are getting into a type of polypharmacy which can truly damage you.
I would also bet that most who think their prolactin is elevated are wrong. The research says androgens lower prolactin, while estrogens increases it. Testosterone has been shown to increase prolactin due to the aromatization... so why aren't guys jumping on Caber or Prami when doing test only cycles? Just because Caber or Prami makes your dick hard doesn't mean the problem was prolactin, strictly speaking. These drugs will boost libido even without any steroid use.
Deceiver, you say you have friends who tested their prolactin. Did they also test their prolactin on steroids but off Caber?
the biggest irony is they use DA's , caber especially, to treat acromegaly - 1-2mg lowers super high IGF to under normal levels in most subjects they studied. So not exactly the smartest thing to take when you're a bodybuilder who wants higher IGF.. agree on the polypharmacy being ridiculous
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Thats fucking pathetic, what a sad twat he must be sitting alone at every night shoving needle after needle into himself.
What a fucking loser.
How can people like this look anyone in the eye and be proud of what they "think" they have achieved.
What do you call the millions of fat Americans that have never touched a football, yet they know each and every stat about the players and the team? Add to that those folks with bad teeth and mug shots - the British football fans.
You get a stat wrong or/and their team loses or is losing, they are ready to rip your head off.
What do you call that type of passion? What do you call those losers, that call themselves "fans"?
To each his own!
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You want advice on how to inject a substance from a vial you brought from the trunk of someone's car? What can go wrong? At least you came to the right place where the majority of the guys here a college kids living in the basement of their mommy's house when they are not at their part time job delivering pizza. I'm sure the advice is spot on.
Well, it's a 50/50 thing. If you are going to stay on forever, might as well do it right, BFG doesn't say complete bullshit. Is it necessarily wise for the average person? I'd say no.
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EQ kills my sex drive and gives me marginal gains. besides the vascularity it offers, I am not a big fan
I'm not a huge EQ fan myself. What he is saying is the fast acting EQ hurts. I think every source I know of has dropped the idea,
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Deca is a great drug I just think alot of guys get shit quality and do not get the gains they should get. You also have to be patient with deca! It is not a drug that works in a week. Deca takes some serious time to peak on. That is why NPP is getting more popular. If you tal to any old school bodybuilder they will say deca is the shit. I think the wuality back in the late 70's and 8-'s was al;ot better for some reason.
all these UGL's have shitty deca. Get some pharm grade euro deca and use 600-800mg for a few months and you will blow up on it if it is legit nandrolone decanoate. Deca dick is for real! so you do have to know what you are doing! NPP is also a great addition. Sometimes I think running s small dose of nandrolone decanoate and just switching to NPP for the rest of the cycle is the best way to go.
I agree with all of this, have not used deca since 1986 for contests only! It worked great! Loved it, Deca plus dieting= limp dick!
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LOVE Deca ! Gives a nice thick, dense look to my physique.
Some of these cycles posted ( by both OTH and Overload ) are INSANE. But believable. These guys look like freaks for a reason.
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What do you call the millions of fat Americans
FAT ?
:D
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Testosterone works better than Deca at higher dosages?
http://www.ergo-log.com/nantest.html
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Testosterone works better than Deca at higher dosages?
http://www.ergo-log.com/nantest.html
LMAO, sorry bro this study^^^^ does not have any business in this thread, this thread is reality and that study is kindergarden shit, are you kidding? seriously? really?
higher dosages according to this Hilarious embarrassing study is 300mg per week, ROTFL.... come on bro, this thread is about 5000mg + per week and you bring this silly article to the table, wooooooooooooooooooooosh .
Hey Jon harridan stick to religion, stick to the religious threads
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lol @ john harriden
hey onetimehard i AM HUNGRYYYYYYYY TO HIT 500LBS on deads....... frickin i posted my friend's progress vids since he was 17 and recently and considering he's gonna breach 725lbs on deads.... im hungry man... I will match this beast....! )(#@)#@ I am so hyped, training hardcore lately.... and cardioing still like a mad man every two weeks for a week straight
Back on topic, I liked EQ for it's endurance boost.. it really works.. you feel it, cardio and everything. And oh yeah vascularity was ridiculous i bet if i was on it now (im leaner than i was since i stopped) id be bursting out everywhere with veins... it just does that so magically... Probably didn't contribute much in terms of gains but if and what it did it was probably lean, didnt bloat me. Also in the beginning it gave me raging hunger but that subsided after a while. I ran it for 20 weeks
and also besides the var i ran i think it helped me heal my shoulder/pec... which winstrol tore back up (screw winstrol its the devil ill give it away free)
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LMAO, sorry bro this study^^^^ does not have any business in this thread, this thread is reality and that study is kindergarden shit, are you kidding? seriously? really?
higher dosages according to this Hilarious embarrassing study is 300mg per week, ROTFL.... come on bro, this thread is about 5000mg + per week and you bring this silly article to the table, wooooooooooooooooooooosh .
Hey Jon harridan stick to religion, stick to the religious threads
Study shows Deca is more effective than Test at 100mg each and then Test becomes more effective at 300mg/wk? At what point does it switch back to Deca? 500mg/?
Come on "bro", you. A study is "kindergarten", "hilarious", and "embarassing ", why? Because your friends use much higher dosages? If a study showed that testosterone predisposes one to hair loss and gyno at 200mg/wk would that be hilarious and embarassing too because your A"friends" tell you they use 5 grams? It's just a study pertinent to the subject. Take it for what it's worth and let others do the same.
Many users in the real world claim that they get much more results with Test than with Deca at any dose.
What's your obsession with Jon Harridan? Did he hurt your feelings?
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Study shows Deca is more effective than Test at 100mg each and then Test becomes more effective at 300mg/wk? At what point does it switch back to Deca? 500mg/?
Come on "bro", you. A study is "kindergarten", "hilarious", and "embarassing ", why? Because your friends use much higher dosages? If a study showed that testosterone predisposes one to hair loss and gyno at 200mg/wk would that be hilarious and embarassing too because your "friends" tell you they use 5 grams? It's just a study pertinent to the subject. Take it for what it's worth and let others do the same.
Many users in the real world claim that they get much more results with Test than with Deca at any dose.
What's your obsession with Jon Harridan? Did he hurt your feelings?
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Study shows Deca is more effective than Test at 100mg each and then Test becomes more effective at 300mg/wk? At what point does it switch back to Deca? 500mg/?
Come on "bro", you. A study is "kindergarten", "hilarious", and "embarassing ", why? Because your friends use much higher dosages? If a study showed that testosterone predisposes one to hair loss and gyno at 200mg/wk would that be hilarious and embarassing too because your A"friends" tell you they use 5 grams? It's just a study pertinent to the subject. Take it for what it's worth and let others do the same.
Many users in the real world claim that they get much more results with Test than with Deca at any dose.
What's your obsession with Jon Harridan? Did he hurt your feelings?
lol, I agree with you and the outcome, never said I didn't, I was just laughing at any study concluding anything on such low dose for such a short time frame and the reason I was rude to you in the post is because I think your Jon H, but if your not then I apologize, but word is you are him.
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He does sound like John Harden to be quite frank but who knows.
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lol, I agree with you and the outcome, never said I didn't, I was just laughing at any study concluding anything on such low dose for such a short time frame and the reason I was rude to you in the post is because I think your Jon H, but if your not then I apologize, but word is you are him.
I see. It would be interesting if their were real scientific studies of advance bodybuilders having to do not only with hormones and peptides, and what they really use, but training and diet as well.
And I hate to disappoint you but I was a fan on JH, well, at least on the Galenika thread. Legit funny on how he got people to melt down. But then again, I was also a fan of ShipShekki/AverageGymRat so what does that say about me?
God Bless.
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He does sound like John Harden to be quite frank but who knows.
Well, I haven't compared our post histories to see the similarities but I ain't no fat Jap.
Jesus Loves You.
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Who is this troll I wonder. I bet he lives alone in a basement lol :P He doesn't seem to get the hint he's not wanted on this site despite three bans of his other three troll accounts but hey if it makes him happy :D
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Who is this john h you speak of
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Who is this troll I wonder. I bet he lives alone in a basement lol :P He doesn't seem to get the hint he's not wanted on this site despite three bans of his other three troll accounts but hey if it makes him happy :D
JH seems to be a somewhat new character on this board. I've been on this board four years longer than you have though I have to admit I don't come anywhere near you post count. Your account is barely 10 months old and you have over FOUR THOUSAND posts! And you "bet" that I live in alone in my basement posting on getbig
What else do you do in life other than sit in front of the computer and posting on getbig? But hey, if it makes you happy.
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roughly how much gear do you think the top 5 in the last Mr O were using? half that?
What should guys like Cutler use? the double to gain weight?
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i know exactly what dennis wolf took.every single compound and the amounts.
most big pros use test 1-2 gramms weekly as base, 10-20 ius gh and some insulin.thats that, reduce the test a bit and replace with dieting drugs for diet and thats about it.
theres no magic tricks.
I cannot image that D.Wolf tells his secret to somebody.
I am very curious about this. please can you tell?
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I cannot image that D.Wolf tells his secret to somebody.
I am very curious about this. please can you tell?
The truth is his own Wife probably does not even know, that is how the game is, no one cares to tell anyone and if they do 99.999999% of the time it will be a severely watered down version, that is reality,
one of my good friends who competes and that I have know since grade schools tells me he takes 500 mg a week and the guy he gets the stuff from tells me he grabs this, this, this, and that and is running 2-3 g's and he tells me oh only 2-3 shots per week despite the fact that I admit to doing as much as 3 grams per week to him, he still feels the need to say he does very little, why? this is just the way people are
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The truth is his own Wife probably does not even know, that is how the game is, no one cares to tell anyone and if they do 99.999999% of the time it will be a severely watered down version, that is reality,
one of my good friends who competes and that I have know since grade schools tells me he takes 500 mg a week and the guy he gets the stuff from tells me he grabs this, this, this, and that and is running 2-3 g's and he tells me oh only 2-3 shots per week despite the fact that I admit to doing as much as 3 grams per week to him, he still feels the need to say he does very little, why? this is just the way people are
Nobody ever tells the truth about drug usage. I know that for sure. That's why i never believe what people say about their dosages. Sure there are a few honest people out there, but it's impossible to take someone at face value who depends on using drugs for their income.
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Nobody ever tells the truth about drug usage. I know that for sure. That's why i never believe what people say about their dosages. Sure there are a few honest people out there, but it's impossible to take someone at face value who depends on using drugs for their income.
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ESPECIALLY if there income depends on it, very good point.
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It really is nobody else's business when you think about it no matter who it is. But these guys are in the public eye so you would not want that sort of information out there since people will copy the cycle....thinking they will look exactly like them as a result.
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I just came in to say that I dont think it is anyones businesd but the person themselves on what they are taking, what amount, etc. Its their life, their decisions, they have their own goals, and frankly dont want their achievements to be underminded by retard idiots who kno nothing about the real bodybuilding world, and also the non bodybuilding world. Is it anyones business on what YOU do with YOUR body? Thats why I thought.gh15 was retarded, he called them filth of the world for not admitting.something that is no one elses business!
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local dealer old friend told me that Hellas Deca-durabolin, the icon of all nandrolones, is no longer produced.
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j53/sir2jdm/NORMA_2010.jpg)
RIP.
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Solid post, makes a lot of since to elevate levels using short esters. And just to let it be known I can run high amounts of 19nor's without any adverse side effects. Right now I am on 1200mg deca and 1050mg tren/wk and have had no problems whatsoever. Ephedrine first thing in the morning and before I workout keeps me from bloating. I'm planning on trying the npp trick as soon as I can get my hands on some. Thank you for this BFG
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not even if you lived with him at same place for 3motnhs contest prep?
trained, slept and eaten and smoked week all together at the same time?
then youd know,no?
my friend did that, and what he says is it was something like 2 gramms test weekly,15ius gh daily and slin after workouts.thats what i clearly remember, i can ask him again next time i see him.he also sdaid that theres ppl there who take much much more than that,ofc.
so yeah, thats what the guy who lived with him told me, make of it what you want, or ask bfg, he seems to know all the stacks of all th epros ::)
15 iu of gh seems really low at top 5 Olympia level, there are locals that take 15 iu and do not even win locals shows, he carries nearly 280 of shredded muscle, possible I suppose but very unlikely.
The thing is these guys would do everything to win and if he can afford and has 30 iu at his disposal why is he only taking 15? when 30 would get him closer to a win then 15 would.
I believe you are being sincere but the guy that told you could be down playing it.
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15 iu of gh seems really low at top 5 Olympia level, there are locals that take 15 iu and do not even win locals shows, he carries nearly 280 of shredded muscle, possible I suppose but very unlikely.
The thing is these guys would do everything to win and if he can afford and has 30 iu at his disposal why is he only taking 15? when 30 would get him closer to a win then 15 would.
I believe you are being sincere but the guy that told you could be down playing it.
You ever take 15iu of legit pharma gh? I will say that is plenty to compete at the top 5 olympia level. If it was chinese then you can look more to the 20+ I would believe but I have used 15iu of chinese and I have used 6iu of nutropin pens and I will take the pens at that dose any day.
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You ever take 15iu of legit pharma gh? I will say that is plenty to compete at the top 5 olympia level. If it was chinese then you can look more to the 20+ I would believe but I have used 15iu of chinese and I have used 6iu of nutropin pens and I will take the pens at that dose any day.
No argument about the grade being better but even human grade 15 iu at that level is still being at a disadvantage to the others. I can not claim to know who does what but I do know the average and 15 is extremely light for that level, even if it is human grade
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No argument about the grade being better but even human grade 15 iu at that level is still being at a disadvantage to the others. I can not claim to know who does what but I do know the average and 15 is extremely light for that level, even if it is human grade
Not necessarily...honestly most pro's blast high doses of gh when they grow to there highest weights. I know some right now for a fact that only take around 8-12iu seros in prep for the ny this year. It's all relative I think to what people want to believe.
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Not necessarily...honestly most pro's blast high doses of gh when they grow to there highest weights. I know some right now for a fact that only take around 8-12iu seros in prep for the ny this year. It's all relative I think to what people want to believe.
I know tons of pros and for years, I am in the mix bro, in fact I just gave you my friends (an ifbb pro) cycle in this thread and of all the IFBB low level pros I know, not one of them take 8-12 IU, not even one of them, sorry but you are mis-informed and are gullible.
all of them take 15-20 Pharm grade or 30 generic per day and I am talking about low level pros, the higher you go up the average goes up. I live at shows practically for years and years bro, I know exactly what's out there and these numbers you speak of are simply the watered down version of what they take, who wouldn't down play this.
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I know for a fact as well bro...I know pros who do exactly what you say with 15iu pharm grade and 20-30 of chinese. But I also know of one who just uses 15iu of nutropin pens ed and nothing more then that.
Of course they down play most of these things...its takes a long time if ever to get these guys to tell the truth about anything. If everyone knew the amounts anybody can be pro size honestly...just if you want to put your body through all that. I also definitely know you are in the mix and I am not calling you out or anything. I don't play the internet tough guys bs most people play I just say what I know and leave it at that
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I know for a fact as well bro...I know pros who do exactly what you say with 15iu pharm grade and 20-30 of chinese. But I also know of one who just uses 15iu of nutropin pens ed and nothing more then that.
Of course they down play most of these things...its takes a long time if ever to get these guys to tell the truth about anything. If everyone knew the amounts anybody can be pro size honestly...just if you want to put your body through all that. I also definitely know you are in the mix and I am not calling you out or anything. I don't play the internet tough guys bs most people play I just say what I know and leave it at that
Is the guy you know top 5 Olympia that weighs 280lb contest shape, Judging by your post you know your shit, not bashing you at all either bro, but my question, not just to you but to anyone is if an Olympia competitor can achieve a better physique by taking 20 iu pharm grade versus 15 iu pharm grade why wouldn't he.
I understand that there is a point where more is NOT better but it certainly is not as low as 15 IU per day, that's for sure.
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Is the guy you know top 5 Olympia that weighs 280lb contest shape, Judging by your post you know your shit, not bashing you at all either bro, but my question, not just to you but to anyone is if an Olympia competitor can achieve a better physique by taking 20 iu pharm grade versus 15 iu pharm grade why wouldn't he.
I understand that there is a point where more is NOT better but it certainly is not as low as 15 IU per day, that's for sure.
Agreed. I've heard the point of diminishing returns is somewhere above 35 iu. Then again its all speculation for those who havent done it or talked to someone who has. You obviously have I was referring to myself and others.
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Agreed. I've heard the point of diminishing returns is somewhere above 35 iu. Then again its all speculation for those who havent done it or talked to someone who has. You obviously have I was referring to myself and others.
Yes, indeed between 30-40,... even if the point of diminishing returns is 15, any competitive bodybuilder would take more just to make sure he is maximizing the benefits of the gh.
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He is in the 212 Mr. O
But I also know one who has won pro shows (not the O yet but will definitely place top 7) who uses 15iu as well of pharma gh and nothing else. A lot of pros use around 10-15 pharma gh with around 20+ of chinese gh you are right...I don't know the hell these guys stay awake though haha. 8)
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Yes, indeed between 30-40,... even if the point of diminishing returns is 15, any competitive bodybuilder would take more just to make sure he is maximizing the benefits of the gh.
The real issue that most encounter is the quality of the GH they get (or lack thereof) so 30-40iu's/day of chinese GH really most likely is not anywhere near 30-40iu's of actual GH. Honestly, I have seen people get MUCH better results on 6iu's of serostims Monday through Friday (thats only one 126iu kit per month, by the way) than 20iu's of chinese growth hormone.
I know of a few top guys who used 30-40iu's of legit growth hormone and usually the point of diminishing returns seemed to happen around 40. That is not to say the results were not crazy but the negative side effects just became too unbearable, as in it became impossible to get out of bed, eat or train...which defeats the purpose of the whole thing. That is one of the reasons I believe GH blasting to be the best possible way to run growth. You definitely will get some uncomfortable side effects hitting 30iu's monday wednesday and friday but it will become much more bearable than if it was an everyday thing.
A similar parallel to the diminishing return issue is trenbolone. How come so few guys ever exceed 1.4 - 2grams of tren weekly (and 2 grams is honestly not that common)? 3 grams of tren will definitely give you better results than 1 gram but due to trenbolone's affinity to bind with glucocorticoid receptors, it will tear apart your joints and eventually make just everyday movement impossible.
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The real issue that most encounter is the quality of the GH they get (or lack thereof) so 30-40iu's/day of chinese GH really most likely is not anywhere near 30-40iu's of actual GH. Honestly, I have seen people get MUCH better results on 6iu's of serostims Monday through Friday (thats only one 126iu kit per month, by the way) than 20iu's of chinese growth hormone.
I know of a few top guys who used 30-40iu's of legit growth hormone and usually the point of diminishing returns seemed to happen around 40. That is not to say the results were not crazy but the negative side effects just became too unbearable, as in it became impossible to get out of bed, eat or train...which defeats the purpose of the whole thing. That is one of the reasons I believe GH blasting to be the best possible way to run growth. You definitely will get some uncomfortable side effects hitting 30iu's monday wednesday and friday but it will become much more bearable than if it was an everyday thing.
A similar parallel to the diminishing return issue is trenbolone. How come so few guys ever exceed 1.4 - 2grams of tren weekly (and 2 grams is honestly not that common)? 3 grams of tren will definitely give you better results than 1 gram but due to trenbolone's affinity to bind with glucocorticoid receptors, it will tear apart your joints and eventually make just everyday movement impossible.
You never answered my question regarding your thread on oral steroids
I don't think I'm following the logic here. Steroids, as I understand it, though there are subtle difference between the various types in regards to specifics, they all operate pretty much the same following the same general principles. They are all derivatives of testosterone, they promote protein synthesis and anabolism. As far as injectables and orals it's simply the delivery system. Injectable dbol and oral dbol pretty much have identical effects on the body differing perhaps in how it is metabolized in the body.
But now you are telling us that when you reach a certain level of injectable steroids "saturated with grams" as you say, now oral steroids, not injectables, but oral steroids, take on a different effect. For example, lets define "staturated with grams" as beginning at 3 grams of injectable anabolics. If you're at 750/wk injectables then the orals will behave like a typical steroid but when you reach the tipping point of say 3 grams of injectables now these oral won't do much for you except add water weight and increase glycogen retention but somehow the anabolism, the real muscle building properties which I thought was inherent in all steroids, is some how lost. How come this doesn't happen when you add to that 3 grams of injectables another gram or two of additional injectables? Why do oral steroids lose their anabolic properties when injectables reach a certain level except if you add them in huge dosages intermittently?
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So....i've never ran deca....
If i want to run deca for a long time just to see if its as good as people say for building dense muscle..
Could i say do 300mg test and 600mg deca as like a base for my cycle....
Then add other compounds in to blast if and when needed?
Thought low test would help with any sides and bloat too...would probs look at adding mast e into the cycle too at 300mg a week.
Or if i am worried about deca dick could i use eq instead?
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I recently got in with a very good ugl who doesn't carry NPP. I'm thinking of just running 1500mg of deca. Fuck water retention, I wanna get huge.
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So....i've never ran deca....
If i want to run deca for a long time just to see if its as good as people say for building dense muscle..
Could i say do 300mg test and 600mg deca as like a base for my cycle....
Then add other compounds in to blast if and when needed?
Thought low test would help with any sides and bloat too...would probs look at adding mast e into the cycle too at 300mg a week.
Or if i am worried about deca dick could i use eq instead?
I have tried 250 test and 600 deca, Norma hellas genuine deca. Had the same result as only on 250 test a week.
My body doesn't respond to deca.
A partner of mine get's results after 2 weeks of usage on the same deca ampouls so the gear is legit.
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hahahahaha
and i thought you already are ::)
thanks also for clariying on what you consider huge.you think a bloated mess is the definition of huge.
sure,in a way it is
sounds like the real deal :-[,,,
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I recently got in with a very good ugl who doesn't carry NPP. I'm thinking of just running 1500mg of deca. Fuck water retention, I wanna get huge.
You compete?
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Just noticed the guy was using EQ acetate. Your friend must have both an amazing pain tolerance and an amazingly skilled lab/chef.
Boldenone propionate and boldenone acetate are both 2 real nasty drugs! who still even tries using these compounds? That is one hardcore dude! I don't get how these esters of boldenone are that much better then boldenone undecylenate.
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Boldenone propionate and boldenone acetate are both 2 real nasty drugs! who still even tries using these compounds? That is one hardcore dude! I don't get how these esters of boldenone are that much better then boldenone undecylenate.
You start saying that boldenone propionate is the shit, stuff it in 10ml bottles and sell the snake oil it to fools.
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Boldenone propionate and boldenone acetate are both 2 real nasty drugs! who still even tries using these compounds? That is one hardcore dude! I don't get how these esters of boldenone are that much better then boldenone undecylenate.
I guess its "better" because there is more active hormone per mg and EQ does take quite a bit of time in relatively big doses to give quantifiable results for bodybuilding purposes.
that said, the pain associated with bold ace/prop just makes it not worth it. most people end up getting really sick from it too.
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I know tons of pros and for years, I am in the mix bro, in fact I just gave you my friends (an ifbb pro) cycle in this thread and of all the IFBB low level pros I know, not one of them take 8-12 IU, not even one of them, sorry but you are mis-informed and are gullible.
all of them take 15-20 Pharm grade or 30 generic per day and I am talking about low level pros, the higher you go up the average goes up. I live at shows practically for years and years bro, I know exactly what's out there and these numbers you speak of are simply the watered down version of what they take, who wouldn't down play this.
How do they afford it? That's roughly 4 100iu kits a month and even at dealer prices of around $500-$600/kit that's still over 2 grand a month JUST for gh.
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How do they afford it? That's roughly 4 100iu kits a month and even at dealer prices of around $500-$600/kit that's still over 2 grand a month JUST for gh.
well 30 iu generic is less then 1000 dollars a month if you buy in bulk which they do. Don't forget they are pros so they have hooks ups and some even are sponsored by legitimate sources. One of my friends gets 200 iu of human grade gh per month and gets the next 200 iu for half price. Not to mention others buy bulk and the juice costs nothing really, 500 dollars a month can get a pro 150- 250cc of almost any compound out there per month.
Not to mention 2000 a month is peanuts, I know people who spend that clubbing.
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^Man I wana become pro if they supply me shit like that lmao... wowowow... lol. Damn... what kind of jobs and businesses do these guys have to be making that kinda dough lol
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well 30 iu generic is less then 1000 dollars a month if you buy in bulk which they do. Don't forget they are pros so they have hooks ups and some even are sponsored by legitimate sources. One of my friends gets 200 iu of human grade gh per month and gets the next 200 iu for half price. Not to mention others buy bulk and the juice costs nothing really, 500 dollars a month can get a pro 150- 250cc of almost any compound out there per month.
Not to mention 2000 a month is peanuts, I know people who spend that clubbing.
Not to most bodybuilders. In fact, not to most people. Remember that study that came out that said an average household cannot afford a new car which in most cases will run you $300/month?
$2,500 a month for hgh and gear translates into 30 grand a year. That's about a 40 grand a year annual salary before taxes. The average yearly salary in the US, a rich country, is just over 50 grand a year.
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Not to most bodybuilders. In fact, not to most people. Remember that study that came out that said an average household cannot afford a new car which in most cases will run you $300/month?
$2,500 a month for hgh and gear translates into 30 grand a year. That's about a 40 grand a year annual salary before taxes. The average yearly salary in the US, a rich country, is just over 50 grand a year.
Ya but all I am saying is bodybuilders at the pro level, live for bodybuilding and bodybuilding only, it is a very selfish road. So you can not look at it as some gym rat that spends 300 bucks a month on gear. Some pros make 40 grand and easily drop half of that (20 grand) into their body cause they have hope and think it will pay off one day, most of them are delusional and consider it as an investment.
Take me for example, I was 25 years old when I won an overall show here in Ontario and I was delusional and excited and actually wanted to turn pro one day, I was a roofer and a personal trainer making 40 grand a year. After deciding to either go all out on bodybuilding or putting it in the back burner I decided to squash it and thank God I did, now I own my own roofing business and can compete and can afford to spend whatever i want on my body if necessary including 2500 a month comfortably but I won`t because I learned not to be stupid but boy was I close to making a mistake back then.
Point being is most pros are dumb and don`t think things through, they do whatever it takes to reach the next level, they are stubborn and don`t learn, very few can pull it off and come out on top
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Ya but all I am saying is bodybuilders at the pro level, live for bodybuilding and bodybuilding only, it is a very selfish road. So you can not look at it as some gym rat that spends 300 bucks a month on gear. Some pros make 40 grand and easily drop half of that (20 grand) into their body cause they have hope and think it will pay off one day, most of them are delusional and consider it as an investment.
Take me for example, I was 25 years old when I won an overall show here in Ontario and I was delusional and excited and actually wanted to turn pro one day, I was a roofer and a personal trainer making 40 grand a year. After deciding to either go all out on bodybuilding or putting it in the back burner I decided to squash it and thank God I did, now I own my own roofing business and can compete and can afford to spend whatever i want on my body if necessary including 2500 a month comfortably but I won`t because I learned not to be stupid but boy was I close to making a mistake back then.
Point being is most pros are dumb and don`t think things through, they do whatever it takes to reach the next level, they are stubborn and don`t learn, very few can pull it off and come out on top
Can't say I disagree with that statement ;D
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It doesn't help that it's much harder to become a pro nowadays least of all be a pro that makes a decent amount of money. You're also going to have to compete with guys who play a game of who can take the most amount of steroids and other drugs without any concern to their health. OTH, you're right about them (some) being dumb.
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Ya but all I am saying is bodybuilders at the pro level, live for bodybuilding and bodybuilding only, it is a very selfish road. So you can not look at it as some gym rat that spends 300 bucks a month on gear. Some pros make 40 grand and easily drop half of that (20 grand) into their body cause they have hope and think it will pay off one day, most of them are delusional and consider it as an investment.
Take me for example, I was 25 years old when I won an overall show here in Ontario and I was delusional and excited and actually wanted to turn pro one day, I was a roofer and a personal trainer making 40 grand a year. After deciding to either go all out on bodybuilding or putting it in the back burner I decided to squash it and thank God I did, now I own my own roofing business and can compete and can afford to spend whatever i want on my body if necessary including 2500 a month comfortably but I won`t because I learned not to be stupid but boy was I close to making a mistake back then.
Point being is most pros are dumb and don`t think things through, they do whatever it takes to reach the next level, they are stubborn and don`t learn, very few can pull it off and come out on top
You made a good decision. I can't think of a "sport" or recreation that is suppose to be or at least started out as something healthy that seems to destroy lives. I'm in my forties now and have been at it since my teens. I look back at so many that have become drug addicts and I don't mean roids or are living hand to mouth with no future or financial security all because they wasted their prime years "chsing the dream."
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It doesn't help that it's much harder to become a pro nowadays least of all be a pro that makes a decent amount of money. You're also going to have to compete with guys who play a game of who can take the most amount of steroids and other drugs without any concern to their health. OTH, you're right about them (some) being dumb.
I don't think so. They give pro cards away like candy. The overall quality of bodybuilding has gone down since the 80s and 90s. A guy like Matt Mendelhall or Rory Leidelmeyer couldn't get their pro card sbut a Peter Putnum or Dan Hill can.
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It doesn't help that it's much harder to become a pro nowadays least of all be a pro that makes a decent amount of money. You're also going to have to compete with guys who play a game of who can take the most amount of steroids and other drugs without any concern to their health. OTH, you're right about them (some) being dumb.
I think if you have a goal of being a pro then at least it should be for the right reasons, like for the love of competing and Unless you have what it takes to go to the top then it is not worth it.
I do however feel it is worth it for someone like Phil, it's a risk in health but it's worth it for him cause he made it to the top. Sort of like climbing a mountain and dying before you get to the top, not worth it but some make it and can come back down and survive and live well, same thing with Phil, he can have an Olympia reign and come out from it and live well, so it's worth it for him.
What kills me the most is the guys that spent 5-7 years at nationals and finally get their pro card and think they can continue, I mean fine get the pro card but why continue, they spend 5 years at national obviously they will go no where in the pro ranks.
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One of the local dudes at the gym just competed in a fitness model competition and won. It kind of made me want to compete when I thought about it. That's why.. if I ever compete.. it'll be for fun something local... fitness model physique.. something I could win...nothing crazy... and ESPECIALLY something that I don't have to wear a frickin thong for lol... as up top it really seems to take alot of gear and alot of money... and sense of delusion and desperation lol. The gym I train at now has a few 'pros' and amateur competitors... and honestly they train so half assed even... I wonder sometimes...
You know it's funny what you said, I agree, it's good to share thoughts. Tonight at my gym two guys who want to turn pro.. they are OKAY physiques (not amazing honestly whats so ever) but one of them is so totally delusional. This one guy in particular who says he trained since he was 14 so twelve years.. and I look at him.. and all he has is arms... and the way he talks about going pro now ... I just kept quiet lol... he says he's got a show was it in may? And another in june... and this one other guy who keeps talking about gear and how it 'gets him cut'... basically the bodybuilding crowd does't have alot of smarts... there's a few guys like oth who have brains and think and who are mature...... but most seem baffoons with high hopes and dreams... detached from reality... i'm a newb myself in the grand scheme of things... but just from observing what i see and hear... its pretty messed up...
I can't see myself ever spending half of my wealth on bodybuilding... this life is not eternal and its just a silly investment beyond the reasonable... as is I spend too much on food, gear and supplements... and i rather spend some of that money on helping family and having a good time with the wife. Gotta think ahead... even though I want to be some day that 60+ year old grandpa who the kids be mirin my physique and strength despite old age LOL.
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One of the local dudes at the gym just competed in a fitness model competition and won. It kind of made me want to compete when I thought about it. That's why.. if I ever compete.. it'll be for fun something local... fitness model physique.. something I could win...nothing crazy... and ESPECIALLY something that I don't have to wear a frickin thong for lol... as up top it really seems to take alot of gear and alot of money... and sense of delusion and desperation lol. The gym I train at now has a few 'pros' and amateur competitors... and honestly they train so half assed even... I wonder sometimes...
You know it's funny what you said, I agree, it's good to share thoughts. Tonight at my gym two guys who want to turn pro.. they are OKAY physiques (not amazing honestly whats so ever) but one of them is so totally delusional. This one guy in particular who says he trained since he was 14 so twelve years.. and I look at him.. and all he has is arms... and the way he talks about going pro now ... I just kept quiet lol... he says he's got a show was it in may? And another in june... and this one other guy who keeps talking about gear and how it 'gets him cut'... basically the bodybuilding crowd does't have alot of smarts... there's a few guys like oth who have brains and think and who are mature...... but most seem baffoons with high hopes and dreams... detached from reality... i'm a newb myself in the grand scheme of things... but just from observing what i see and hear... its pretty messed up...
I can't see myself ever spending half of my wealth on bodybuilding... this life is not eternal and its just a silly investment beyond the reasonable... as is I spend too much on food, gear and supplements... and i rather spend some of that money on helping family and having a good time with the wife. Gotta think ahead... even though I want to be some day that 60+ year old grandpa who the kids be mirin my physique and strength despite old age LOL.
Ya, it seems like he is planning on competing in May at the mississauga's and in June at the Ontarios, which I am stage marshelling :),... Kai Greene will be the guess poser and it will be held with the Toronto pro show.
Well tell him he needs to place top 5 before he qualifies for the Ontario's in june and tell him not to count his chicken before they hatch, lol, no I am kidding, don't tell him that :D
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some pros do not budget right and actually invest into their body more then the top prize money for whatever show they are trying to win.Bodybuilders are awful with money like Onetimehard said.
Alot of them also use benzos and oxycodone daily. Not all bodybuilders but some are severly addicted to benzos and opiates.
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OTH OOOH really?
Well i hope this guy steps up his game cuz he's working out really lazy lol.
Speaking of which I tried NPP only 200mg this week (100mg tuesday and 100mg today). It is MUCH nicer than deca... i am cutting and took the advice that its nice to keep u full when cutting.. despite low carbs i am pretty pumped, veiny and full... and i am losing the bloat from deca (only ran like 300mg a week), i AM cutting (almost two weeks in now) but still i can see and feel the difference.
NPP>Deca and my source sells npp dirt cheap vs deca... i think i know what ill be using from now on.
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BFG,
What if one were trying to lose a little fat before hitting a good bulk....could I run this cruise/blast with tren e and tren a in place of the deca and npp for a 4 week cruise and an 8 week blast? I feel bigger on deca, but I had to take some time off everything (family issues, not health) and I have an awful time keeping my body fat down without any gear.
Thanks....I love reading your advices.
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i went through a few vials of npp once, good shit definitely leaned me out and gave me a thicker look and joints felt great too.
i got kinda freaked out though about this study that shows it's really really toxic to your heart and cardiovascular system in general.
bill roberts talks about it a bit. i'm sure i posted this somewhere before but here it is
http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/nandrolone-toxicity-question-bill-134310596.html
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Thought I'd share this from another competitor:
I weighed 209 lbs this AM down 2.2 lbs from last week. My trainer has made some adjustments to my cardio this week.
Training: 6 days per week, 45-60 second rest between sets, 8-25 reps depending on bodyparts.
Cardio: has increased to 60 mins AM empty stomach and 45 mins post workout 7 days per week.
Diet: My trainer made a few adjustments as follows:
However here's my Macronutrients:
Protein: 350g
Carbs: 125 g
Fats: 55g
Here is the current list of gear Im taking. (strictly for entertainment purposes)
I will be changing my Tren E to Tren A @ 4 weeks out and T400 to Test Propionate and adding Novaldex.
Test 400- 400mg x 3= 1200mg wk
Tren E- 150mg x 3= 450mg wk
Clenbuterol- 200mcg 2 days on 1 off *
Cytomel- 25mcg mon-fri
Arimidex- 2mg ED*
Winstrol- 100mg ED
Anadrol- 100mg Ed
Anavar- 60 md ED
Proviron 100mg ED
Creatine hcl 4.5 g ed
Glutamine 40 g ed
BCAA's 30g ed
Pre workout powder ie SUPERfreak.
5 weeks out contest
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Frickin liver mania
Oh and the fella is 5'7
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lol @ liver mania.
How come the 2mg of adex ed ?
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Thought I'd share this from another competitor:
5 weeks out contest
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Frickin liver mania
Oh and the fella is 5'7
Really good, keeping it very simple and covering all angles, good for him. seems to be doing it correctly at his level (assuming he is from our neck of the woods.), any gh in there?
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some pros do not budget right and actually invest into their body more then the top prize money for whatever show they are trying to win.Bodybuilders are awful with money like Onetimehard said.
Alot of them also use benzos and oxycodone daily. Not all bodybuilders but some are severly addicted to benzos and opiates.
The oxys will drain your pockets like no tomorrow.
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The oxys will drain your pockets like no tomorrow.
well not if you have a valid prescription. Very few amateurs and pros have a valid script it is all blackmarket in most cases. Alot of bodybuilders are hooked on benzos when they start there tren and alot have switched to oxycodone instead of nubain. alot of athletes both pro and amateur have actually started getting hooked on oxycodone and benzos. Very popular these days
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well not if you have a valid prescription. Very few amateurs and pros have a valid script it is all blackmarket in most cases. Alot of bodybuilders are hooked on benzos when they start there tren and alot have switched to oxycodone instead of nubain. alot of athletes both pro and amateur have actually started getting hooked on oxycodone and benzos. Very popular these days
Ya but you have to be very lucky to get a script, very few can and the 80s oxy, the green ones are going for 50 bucks here in Ontario and some do 4-6 a day
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Ya but you have to be very lucky to get a script, very few can and the 80s oxy, the green ones are going for 50 bucks here in Ontario and some do 4-6 a day
??? 50 bux for how much? 4-6 pills a day? HG from Ontario? Only stuff I got and used before was 20mg var that comes with 50 per bottle and not 50 bux lol... hmm enlighten me, pm if not here.
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??? 50 bux for how much? 4-6 pills a day? HG from Ontario? Only stuff I got and used before was 20mg var that comes with 50 per bottle and not 50 bux lol... hmm enlighten me, pm if not here.
i'm pretty sure he meant oxycodone not oxandrolone (var)
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??? 50 bux for how much? 4-6 pills a day? HG from Ontario? Only stuff I got and used before was 20mg var that comes with 50 per bottle and not 50 bux lol... hmm enlighten me, pm if not here.
oh my bad, shouldn't use abbreviations, I meant oxycotons (sp?) you know they are in the perks family, they have greens and yellows. The greens are 80's and go for 50 bucks.
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oh my bad, shouldn't use abbreviations, I meant oxycotons (sp?) you know they are in the perks family, they have greens and yellows. The greens are 80's and go for 50 bucks.
btw that's insane, idk why you canadians always have such expensive shit. down here hydros go for like 3 bucks. then again they're 7.5's so significantly less.
don't get how people get addicted to em, never liked the stuff. makes my stomach hurt.
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btw that's insane, idk why you canadians always have such expensive shit. down here hydros go for like 3 bucks. then again they're 7.5's so significantly less.
don't get how people get addicted to em, never liked the stuff. makes my stomach hurt.
Those go for 5 bucks or more. Ya people around here go through phases, it was crack like ten years ago and now no one does crack, all pill poppers or they crush them and snort them, so the demand makes the price go up.
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Those go for 5 bucks or more. Ya people around here go through phases, it was crack like ten years ago and now no one does crack, all pill poppers or they crush them and snort them, so the demand makes the price go up.
The new oxycontin formula that came out in 2010 can not be abused but I think they still send the old formula to canada. when the old abusable oxycontin was available they would sell for up to 60$ a tab. when the formula was changed and guys who hoarded the old formula guys would get 100$ for just one 80mg green tab. There are no generics when it comes to oxycontin. It is the oxycodone 30mg (IR's) <instant release> tablets that everybody buys those are abusable and people can still crush and snort,smoke and shoot them. Those 30mg oxycodone instant release tabs go for 20$ all day. There is some weird theory it helps HGH work better if you take a small amount in the morning. You would be surprised to the guys who vouch for this method! It surprised me when I heard about it. I get 200 of the 30mg oxycodone (instant release) same as oxycontin without the time release. guys messing with oxys are using these. My 200 tab script is worth 4,000$ and I pay 84$ a month for them but I have some serious back issues after I got hit by a drunk driver! fractured T12 and alot of herniated discs they diagnosed it degenerative disc disease and I need them! People who sell these and abuse them piss me off! It gives them a bad name and that is why a script is almost impossible to get! I have NOT noticed them make my HGH work better like some of these pro's claim even top posters here claim.
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The new oxycontin formula that came out in 2010 can not be abused but I think they still send the old formula to canada. when the old abusable oxycontin was available they would sell for up to 60$ a tab. when the formula was changed and guys who hoarded the old formula guys would get 100$ for just one 80mg green tab. There are no generics when it comes to oxycontin. It is the oxycodone 30mg (IR's) <instant release> tablets that everybody buys those are abusable and people can still crush and snort,smoke and shoot them. Those 30mg oxycodone instant release tabs go for 20$ all day. There is some weird theory it helps HGH work better if you take a small amount in the morning. You would be surprised to the guys who vouch for this method! It surprised me when I heard about it. I get 200 of the 30mg oxycodone (instant release) same as oxycontin without the time release. guys messing with oxys are using these. My 200 tab script is worth 4,000$ and I pay 84$ a month for them but I have some serious back issues after I got hit by a drunk driver! fractured T12 and alot of herniated discs they diagnosed it degenerative disc disease and I need them! People who sell these and abuse them piss me off! It gives them a bad name and that is why a script is almost impossible to get! I have NOT noticed them make my HGH work better like some of these pro's claim even top posters here claim.
lotta people say the same thing about GHB, helps release hgh. although that might be just a result of the deep sleep it gives you.
idk much about opiate formulas but i'm pretty sure they're all abuseable if you're enough of a junkie. i know with hydro they just put the APAP (acetaminophen) in there to prevent people from taking too much but they still do it
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lotta people say the same thing about GHB, helps release hgh. although that might be just a result of the deep sleep it gives you.
idk much about opiate formulas but i'm pretty sure they're all abuseable if you're enough of a junkie. i know with hydro they just put the APAP (acetaminophen) in there to prevent people from taking too much but they still do it
Well GHB used to be sold over the counter at health food stores along time ago but then sleazballs used it as a date rape drug. Aklot of bodybuilders used GHB but I believe it was just to counter the side effects of trenbolone and the horrible insomnia some hectic steroid cycles can bring on mainly ones where tren is abused. I never heard much GHB helped HGH uptake either. There was a max muscle store who was selling GHB under the counter and one of their best customers was a cop. But the owner knew the guy was a cop and they were friends. Somebody tipped off the police about the max muscle selling the GHB under the table amd this cop gave the store a heads up as soon as he heard about it(literally the cops were on the way to the store) but they got the GHb out of the store before the cops hit them due to the police officer/customers tip.
There never was a bust but it was in the news.
GHB/Nubain used to go hand in hand with pro bodybuilding,still does at a low level. Nowadays it is all valium and other benzos and opiate painkillers. I don't want to give all bodybuilders a bad name , some bodybuilders live very clean drug free lives at least the smart ones do. But it is true tren can give you insomnia, or just using heavy amounts of other steroids can cause insomnia.. I heard tales of Ronnie Coleman being up all night. Some of these pros do not sleep much as they should and some drug and are able to take naps and sleep alot. Sleep is important but if you use drugs to get sleep you are paying a HUGE price. watch out for that oxycodone helping HGH work better theory I think it's all bullshit. It's a good excuse to use oxycodone
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lol, my HRT doc wants to script me GHB under it's new name 'Xyrem' - fucking insane that its easier for him to scrip a schedule 1 drug with a new name than it is to get me legit HGH.
I dont think the 2% hgh increase from GHB is exactly worth the drama it brings
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lol, my HRT doc wants to script me GHB under it's new name 'Xyrem' - fucking insane that its easier for him to scrip a schedule 1 drug with a new name than it is to get me legit HGH.
I dont think the 2% hgh increase from GHB is exactly worth the drama it brings
i think as long as you aren't retarded with your doses, the drama has to do more with date rape than anything else
but yeah it's fucked up. it's all about big pharma nowadays, whoever's more successful in pushing their drug makes more money, regardless if it's the best choice for the patient
that and the hypocritical bias against peds in this country...such bullshit
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lol, my HRT doc wants to script me GHB under it's new name 'Xyrem' - fucking insane that its easier for him to scrip a schedule 1 drug with a new name than it is to get me legit HGH.
I dont think the 2% hgh increase from GHB is exactly worth the drama it brings
Dam that is odd. what exactly is he prescribing the GHB for? Insomnia? or is he giving you GHB is place of HGH? The way the FDA schedules drugs is all fucked up! They schedule marijauna as a schedule 1 drug as well. yet some of the most addictive drugs like oxycontin , oxycodone, dilauded, opana,moriphine , methadone are all super addictive and are schedule 2 drugs.
xanax and other benzos like valium,ativan,klonopin are some of the most addictive abusable drugs you can use! the withdrawals can kill you. seizures can occur easily if you stop benzos without tapering off and all these benzos are schedule 4 drugs.Benzos are more addictive then heroin and have the same withdrawal effects if not worse.
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Dam that is odd. what exactly is he prescribing the GHB for? Insomnia? or is he giving you GHB is place of HGH? The way the FDA schedules drugs is all fucked up! They schedule marijauna as a schedule 1 drug as well. yet some of the most addictive drugs like oxycontin , oxycodone, dilauded, opana,moriphine , methadone are all super addictive and are schedule 2 drugs.
xanax and other benzos like valium,ativan,klonopin are some of the most addictive abusable drugs you can use! the withdrawals can kill you. seizures can occur easily if you stop benzos without tapering off and all these benzos are schedule 4 drugs.Benzos are more addictive then heroin and have the same withdrawal effects if not worse.
Yeah, ghb is used for insomnia now, but I have never heard of anyone being able to get it by perscription.
It looks like it would be one of those last-ditch medicines when no others help out.
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Xyrem ( ghb) scripted for insomnia with the aim of increasing sleep igf 1 release. It's nuts actually, he's a big name in life extension and in ca i think state regulations are even more retarded.... so there are a lot of people wanting to take away his medical license
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Dam that is odd. what exactly is he prescribing the GHB for? Insomnia? or is he giving you GHB is place of HGH? The way the FDA schedules drugs is all fucked up! They schedule marijauna as a schedule 1 drug as well. yet some of the most addictive drugs like oxycontin , oxycodone, dilauded, opana,moriphine , methadone are all super addictive and are schedule 2 drugs.
xanax and other benzos like valium,ativan,klonopin are some of the most addictive abusable drugs you can use! the withdrawals can kill you. seizures can occur easily if you stop benzos without tapering off and all these benzos are schedule 4 drugs.Benzos are more addictive then heroin and have the same withdrawal effects if not worse.
i agree with you about the scheduling being fucked up, but benzos....ehh. i read all the horror stories and have had a benzo habit on and off and the withdrawals aren't really that terrible, quit off a 3mg daily kpin habit with like a 4 day taper and had almost no problems.
don't get me wrong, they CAN and will fuck you up if you let them but it usually takes a long time to build that kind of tolerance, we're talking people that need like 10-15mg xanax a day just to function. most people that know the risks don't let it get to that point. but yeah, if you're using them to actually get high, then tolerance builds really quick. it's all about how you use it, i guess.
but yeah the drugs they consider schedule 1 are fucking ridiculous. most of the psychedelics/hallucinogens on that list are completely harmless. hell, you even produce DMT in your sleep naturally, it's what makes you dream.
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i agree with you about the scheduling being fucked up, but benzos....ehh. i read all the horror stories and have had a benzo habit on and off and the withdrawals aren't really that terrible, quit off a 3mg daily kpin habit with like a 4 day taper and had almost no problems.
don't get me wrong, they CAN and will fuck you up if you let them but it usually takes a long time to build that kind of tolerance, we're talking people that need like 10-15mg xanax a day just to function. most people that know the risks don't let it get to that point. but yeah, if you're using them to actually get high, then tolerance builds really quick. it's all about how you use it, i guess.
but yeah the drugs they consider schedule 1 are fucking ridiculous. most of the psychedelics/hallucinogens on that list are completely harmless. hell, you even produce DMT in your sleep naturally, it's what makes you dream.
I have been using 6mg xanax everyday for 5 years and there were a few months I ran out like 1-2 days before my refill and I felt like dying. A benzo withdrawal is worse then a opiate withdrawal due to the fact you can have a seizure. dr.s are not as worried about guys going off opiates fast but they are very careful about tapering guys off of benzos.
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I have been using 6mg xanax everyday for 5 years and there were a few months I ran out like 1-2 days before my refill and I felt like dying. A benzo withdrawal is worse then a opiate withdrawal due to the fact you can have a seizure. dr.s are not as worried about guys going off opiates fast but they are very careful about tapering guys off of benzos.
yeah, xanax is a bitch. I recently came off ambien after 3+ years using that, plus xanax to sleep.. couldnt sleep for over 2 weeks but eventually the hell subsided.
its FUCKED up how hard it is to prescribe hgh here but all this poision can be freely given out by family doctors without even a basic blood test.
I'm doing a 24 hr urine and then a stim test next week to finally get the 'proof' that I need hgh.. the plus side is having all this documentation that I have chronically low natural levels should make it possible for me to get discounted hgh from the pharms that sell to kids with dwarfism.. but they might say my doc is only an AA and not an endo so go fuck myself even if I have countless tests to back it up.
my insurance wont cover it reguardless but I'm never buying chinese hgh again knowing what I now do about their product so its worth the extra $
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Damn no idea why people would use all this cracked out narcotic type stuff thats some scary shiznit for me. Never ever never period.
Status update on NPP, frickin love! NPP>Deca.
After I complete 10 weeks of NPP i'll switch to tren acetate and maybe also masteron prop. Never tried either of these two so should be interesting!
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Damn no idea why people would use all this cracked out narcotic type stuff thats some scary shiznit for me. Never ever never period.
Status update on NPP, frickin love! NPP>Deca.
After I complete 10 weeks of NPP i'll switch to tren acetate and maybe also masteron prop. Never tried either of these two so should be interesting!
Do you love the NPP more then superdrol or M1T?I know you cannot really compare a oral to a inject but some of the best gains come from oral steroids.
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yeah there's no comparison to superdrol.... havent run an oral in a while was going to in april but decided not to... superdrol is.....well superdrol :) I miss the good ol superdrol...
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I have been using 6mg xanax everyday for 5 years and there were a few months I ran out like 1-2 days before my refill and I felt like dying. A benzo withdrawal is worse then a opiate withdrawal due to the fact you can have a seizure. dr.s are not as worried about guys going off opiates fast but they are very careful about tapering guys off of benzos.
yeah i've read the seizure reports, it can be bad. personally i hate xanax, makes me feel like shit, personally i don't think it should even be prescribed except in rare cases for people with serious panic attack issues to be used only on a situational basis. the fact that they prescribe it for sleep is ridiculous. it's too strong and the half life is too short, spikes your tolerance and leads to addiction issues.
i think it's the pharm companies trying to line their pockets, personally.
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yeah i've read the seizure reports, it can be bad. personally i hate xanax, makes me feel like shit, personally i don't think it should even be prescribed except in rare cases for people with serious panic attack issues to be used only on a situational basis. the fact that they prescribe it for sleep is ridiculous. it's too strong and the half life is too short, spikes your tolerance and leads to addiction issues.
i think it's the pharm companies trying to line their pockets, personally.
It's a pure anti-anxiety drug and it helps with that period.
many people that took it OTC or even prescribed report that they can't function and sometimes pass out these people shouldn't take it in the first place, when you have anxiety and you take the right dose of Xanax you will feel just great besides drugs like that should be taken along with psychological therapy.
The fact that doctors in the US prescribe drugs right and left doesn't mean the drug itself is bad.
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It's a pure anti-anxiety drug and it helps with that period.
many people that took it OTC or even prescribed report that they can't function and sometimes pass out these people shouldn't take it in the first place, when you have anxiety and you take the right dose of Xanax you will feel just great besides drugs like that should be taken along with psychological therapy.
The fact that doctors in the US prescribe drugs right and left doesn't mean the drug itself is bad.
they still build a tolerance to it regardless if it's for people with anxiety or not, since it desensitizes your GABA receptors which will be a problem if you quit cold turkey and your brain isn't getting enough GABA, it's a REALLY important neurotransmitter. it was never meant to be used for long periods to begin with, it's a bandaid drug that you ideally take to ease anxiety symptoms while in conjunction with counseling so you can learn to handle your anxiety issues without the drug.
i agree the drug itself is not inherently bad, i don't believe in the inherent "evilness" of inanimate objects. but people need to be careful what they prescribe and use it for, the fact that some of you guys have had it prescribed for sleep issues for YEARS proves that many doctors are in it just for the money. not referring to you personally but most people will just keep taking it and not think twice, then it gets weak and the crooked/lazy doctors just prescribe you a bigger dose, next thing you know BAM addiction. it shouldn't even be a sleep drug, studies show it interferes with delta wave sleep so the sleep you're getting isn't very restful.
ridiculous that an addictive substance claimed to have "worse withdrawals than heroin" is readily prescribed as a sleep aid but god forbid someone smokes a joint before going to bed, noooooo weed is evil.
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lotta people say the same thing about GHB, helps release hgh. although that might be just a result of the deep sleep it gives you.
idk much about opiate formulas but i'm pretty sure they're all abuseable if you're enough of a junkie. i know with hydro they just put the APAP (acetaminophen) in there to prevent people from taking too much but they still do it
I've heard to keep them from snorting it as well, supposed to burn like hell. Disclaimer: I've never done a Rec drug in my life, just what I heard.
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Bumping a great thread
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yeah i've read the seizure reports, it can be bad. personally i hate xanax, makes me feel like shit, personally i don't think it should even be prescribed except in rare cases for people with serious panic attack issues to be used only on a situational basis. the fact that they prescribe it for sleep is ridiculous. it's too strong and the half life is too short, spikes your tolerance and leads to addiction issues.
i think it's the pharm companies trying to line their pockets, personally.
This is a very old thread surprised somebody bumped this thread.I don;t think xanax or any other opiates should be used to sleep(there are other prescription drugs that will help you sleep) if you exhausted all options maybe a small dose of valium would work very well but xanax is overboard for just a sleeping issue.
I am still on 6mg daily nothing has changed in my life with my usage except my opiate usage is severely cutt down. I use subutex these days wich is a synthetic form of the checmial in oxycodone that gets you euphoric and works on the gaba receptors and works on the pain levels. Subutex is just like suboxone both come in 8mg strength tabs they also make a 2mg tab for guys and girls who are tapering off.
Subutex /suboxone does not have any effect at all as for as a "High" or any feeling of euphoria. all subutex does is cling to that same receptor that oxycodone and oxycontin (in fact mosy opiates cling to) and they help the user get past the withdrawal phase wich is crucial.
Subutex is a very magical drug, they have had drugs like methadone that do somewhat the same thing but methadone is still a full blown opiate and very addictive and overall is not healthy at all.The subutex was the best choice I have made. I feel totally normal the subutex will not get you high at all but it will take away your withdrawals and make you feel comfortable and give you the daily energy you need to work,workout, your libido goes way back up, you lose alot of water and fat due to the constipation any hardcore opiate causes.
You do have to go through a short 36 hour detox before you start taking the subutex or suboxone wich ever one you decide to use(the reason for doing the 36 hour detox is so you are clean of opiates that way the subutex works way better if you wait 24-36hours. The subutex taste better so I go with the subutex plus they seem to work a bit better then suboxone even though they are the exact same drug however suboxone dooes have 2mg of naloxone on top of the 8mg of buprenorphine in the tabs(the nalxone is a opiate blocker) The naloxone seems to give me a headache so I will stay on the subutex.
I wish I started taking subutex years ago instead of struggling for years. since I have been using the subutex life has been way better this last 7-8 months. The only other problem with subutex and suboxone is the doctors who prescribe it are usually drug addiction doctors and they only write you one tabs per day so you get 30 tabs for 30 days. This is why I would love to find somebody else that gets subutex or suboxone and no longer use it or have some old tabs stashed. I love to stockpile subutex or suboxone same with xanax.
Definately do not use big amounts of xanax just to sleep. I know I got started on xanax and oxycontin because i was shooting alot of strong Tren that made me a Insomniac and I always would be taking pills to sleep went from Benedryl and Ibuprofen to valium and oxycontin on occassion, then eventually it got to the point I was taking 2mg xanax bars and high doses of oxycontin. I thought I would never get addicted but I was damn wrong! even the strongest physically and mentally guys get hooked on these drugs.
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I been on suboxone for 2 yearz. Suboxone maintenance saved my life. And I get prescribed 2 8mg dissolvable strip a been tapering a few months it gas allowed me to be stable get my career and health back in order.
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how they do to prevent acne?
This is an awesome sentence.
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made me lol..... ;D ;D