Russia has penetrated Ukraine

[Kwon]

They voted to join Russia after the invasion. Crimea prior to that after the 2014 US-led coup.

Russia invaded Ukraine because the US was running Ukraine and planning to build up its military. It was admitted by Merkel that the Minsk agreement was a stalling tactic to buy time so they could build up Ukraine's military.

Ukraine is Russia's Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia and China should cozy up to Mexico and offer to build military bases right on the US border. Perhaps also deploy nukes in Mexico. The Mexican constitution will have to change as well.

Until the US returns to the rule of law and stops being anti-white I am not on their side. I have zero respect for most politicians in the US and they can all fuck off and die.

Russia might have to plan special ops missions to take out vermin like Soros, the Rothschilds, and all these Deep State operatives lurking in the shadows. They need to take out their entire bloodlines because they are a threat to civilization. I had hoped this would occur under Trump with the US military doing the right thing but it appears Trump was outsmarted by the Deep State Mafia and he did not understand what he was up against.

I'd help them with Deep State

[obsidian]

The US never attacked Cuba even though they had nuclear missiles pointed DIRECTLY at the them.

So your example backs my point.

Thanks for posting.

 

Russia agreed to withdraw from Cuba. Had they not WW3 might very well have resulted.

The US has not agreed to stop intervening in Ukraine. They have sent billions in military aid which just proves that Russia was right with their military operations. Treasonous US politicians like Lady Lindsey Graham actually called for the assassination of Russia's leader.

[obsidian]

Putin invaded Ukraine to "de-Nazify" them.

The rest of your argument is classic "Red Herring"....total non sense.

I hope this helps.

 

Hi moron, it's well known that the USA was responsible for the 2014 coup in Ukraine. So the USA installed an illegitimate puppet regime and Ukraine therefore forfeited its independent nation status. They became a proxy of the USA as we can see now in full display with this US proxy war on Russia.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/washington-was-behind-ukraine-coup-obama-admits-that-us-brokered-a-deal-in-support-of-regime-change/5429142

Washington Was Behind Ukraine Coup: Obama admits that US “Brokered a Deal” in Support of “Regime Change”
US Sticks to Tried and True Policy of Supporting Coups

US President Barack Obama revealed the United States’ involvement in the Ukrainian crisis from its outset and admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine.”

US President Barack Obama’s recent interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakiria reveals the United States’ involvement in the Ukrainian crisis from its outset and that the country worked directly with Ukrainian right-wing fascist groups, experts told Sputnik.

On Sunday, in his interview with CNN, Obama admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine.”

“Obama’s statement is reiterating something that the world public opinion already knew — the US was involved in the coup of [ex-Ukrainian President] Viktor Yanukovych from the start. History shows us that the US has overthrown numerous governments in Latin America, Asia and Africa and replaced them with leaders that ruled with a fascist ideology that proved useful for Washington’s geopolitical interests,” independent researcher and writer Timothy Alexander Guzman told Sputnik.

Yanukovych’s decision to not sign an association agreement with the European Union in late 2013 triggered a mass wave of protests across Ukraine, culminating in the February 2014 coup. Following the transition of power, Kiev forces launched military operation against those who refused to recognize the legitimacy of the new government.

Merkel and Obama discussed arming Ukraine back in 2015.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20150202/1017670687.html

Obama & Merkel to Discuss Arming Ukraine in Washington Next Week
17:33 GMT 02.02.2015 (Updated: 13:38 GMT 06.08.2022)

For months, the United States has been supplying non-lethal aid to Ukrainian forces. But a number of officials have urged for that support to include lethal assistance, and with German Chancellor Merkel visiting Washington next week, those talks will be on the table.
WASHINGTON, February 2nd (Sputnik) — After heavy losses suffered by the Ukrainian army at the hands of anti-Kiev rebels in the country's east, the Obama administration considers supplying government forces with sophisticated armament, hoping to change momentum in the bloody civil war.

A White House administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity to the New York Times, has indicated that President Obama may be willing to approve the shipment of lethal aid to the Ukrainian government. Caches of weapons would include anti-armor missiles, artillery radars, armored vehicles and other sophisticated military hardware.

So far, official US support has been limited to tactical supplies like gas masks, night-vision goggles, body armor, and first aid. But now Washington fears that the Ukrainian army may disintegrate without support from abroad. However, before making any new policy decisions, President Obama wants to discuss the issue with European leaders, first being German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who arrives in Washington next week.

Merkel has been coordinating European efforts to reach a cease-fire in Ukraine, often taking a hardline position towards Russia for its alleged involvement in the crisis. But on Monday this week, Merkel reiterated her previous position that Germany will not supply Ukraine with weapons, preferring to focus on diplomacy to end the conflict.

[OAK]

Russia agreed to withdraw from Cuba. Had they not WW3 might very well have resulted.

The US has not agreed to stop intervening in Ukraine. They have sent billions in military aid which just proves that Russia was right with their military operations. Treasonous US politicians like Lady Lindsey Graham actually called for the assassination of Russia's leader.

The US NEVER attacked Cuba.

Russia DID attack Ukraine.

You don’t understand the difference?

🙄

[Matt]

The US NEVER attacked Cuba.

Russia DID attack Ukraine.

You don’t understand the difference?

🙄

The USA would have attacked Cuba had things only marginally escalated from where they were left off though.

But sure, OAK - you'd be correct to say that the comparison isn't perfectly analogous though.

However, I feel they are pretty close.

[Rusty Trombone]

The US NEVER attacked Cuba.

Russia DID attack Ukraine.

You don’t understand the difference?

🙄

[Rusty Trombone]

The US NEVER attacked Cuba.

Russia DID attack Ukraine.

You don’t understand the difference?

🙄

Wtf OAK,read some history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

[OAK]

The USA would have attacked Cuba had things only marginally escalated from where they were left off though.

Bur sure, OAK - you'd be correct to say that the comparison isn't perfectly analogous though.

However, I feel they are pretty close.

In both cases Russia was pure EVIL.

Communists will believe otherwise.

 

[BigRo]

So specifically, what reasons did Putin give for starting this war?

Helping the people in the Donbass from genocide by bringing genocide on tren.
Demilitarization of Ukraine, preventing the country from ever being able to defend itself against invasion.
Denazification...Bucha style.
Ukraine is really Russia, and needs to be re-educated and reabsorbed in to the motherland,  its distinct culture erased and replaced with proper Russian history books.

[Automation]

Russian Spetsnas captured NATO UAV (Black Hornet) in Ukraine, 1 of those mini size drones costs $ 230K , complete dron set + $ 1 million !. 

What next: Russian soldier captures bullet using head!

[Automation]

Trump was outsmarted by the Deep State Mafia and he did not understand what he was up against.

In his defence, he could be outsmarted by a potato and he doesn’t understand much beyond lying and whining.

[Gym Rat]

In his defence, he could be outsmarted by a potato and he doesn’t understand much beyond lying and whining.

Sort of what we all do here daily, to argue "our side" though no one is "right"...

[IroNat]

[Raymondo]

So what was the basis of this war from Putin's perspective?

There are the reasons Putin gave and the reasons that are rational from a geopolitical point of view.

I recommend listening to Peter Zeihan's appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast but on a nutshell:

Securing a crucial flank against Nato, turning Ukraine into a buffer zone like it has been for ages (obviously)

An aged, diseased population that has been seriously shrinking for decades meaning they must absorb other populations to solve their demographic problems (hence the massive abductions of Ukrainian children). Without this, Russia is finished as a country by 2070 at the latest without a single shot fired due to total demographic collapse. 2022 (according to Zeihan, always) is the last year they had enough males in their 20s to even attempt an invasion.

Denying Ukraine the massive undeveloped energy resources of the Black Sea ensuring they will never compromise Russian's status as an energy superpower.

Russian farmland being among the least fertile, worst connected space in the world (roads are in terrible shape, they mostly have rail), so grabbing Ukraine's farmland is a massive boost.

[Flexacon]

In both cases Russia was pure EVIL.

Communists will believe otherwise.

 

The victors get to dictate who or what is evil. Only one winner here...

makes you proud to be american

Rather them than you!

[obsidian]

makes you proud to be american

Why? Or are you being sarcastic?

[IroNat]

In both cases Russia was pure EVIL.

Communists will believe otherwise.

 

You're a Commie.

[Kwon]

Makes you proud to be American

[Teutonic Knight]

Just another American/NATO millitary 'Top Secret' is no more 

[Teutonic Knight]

In his defence, he could be outsmarted by a potato and he doesn’t understand much beyond lying and whining.

He rules the biggest country in the World & you ...................

[Teutonic Knight]

Ukrainian/NATO Spring offensive VS Russian Coalition

                                          0 : 7

                                        



Oh, nooo Russians snatched 2 German Leopards @ Zaprozhye & they a taken for techno test ............

Looks like Nato #.1 tenk is fucked in Ukrainian mud .................

[Teutonic Knight]

Makes you proud to be American

When American VS American war will start ?.

[Skeletor]

16 US Bradley infantry fighting vehicles have been destroyed, damaged, or abandoned in Ukraine in recent days, war monitor says, highlighting the cost of Ukraine’s counteroffensive

Sixteen US-provided Bradley infantry fighting vehicles have been lost or damaged in Ukraine in recent days, highlighting the military toll of the current counteroffensive, according to an open-source analysis.

The Dutch website Oryx, which tracks visual evidence of losses on both sides, documented five destroyed Bradleys and 11 that have been damaged and abandoned. The losses would amount to a sizable chunk of the 109 Bradleys that the US has committed to Ukraine, the first of which were confirmed as in use on the battlefield in April.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-16-us-bradley-ifvs-lost-damaged-high-price-counteroffensive-2023-6

[Humble Narcissist]

When American VS American war will start ?.

Might happen if Trump goes to prison.

[Griffith]