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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1875 on: May 12, 2022, 02:24:03 PM »
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1876 on: May 12, 2022, 03:47:25 PM »
Reforming the USSR is western media propaganda.

100%  NATO expansion is all about containing a non democratic state in Russia, the west mainly the US has used democracy and capitalism to basically control and exploit any country who signs up for it as freedom. As it did in Ukraine in 2013

China and Russia are undemocratic authoritarian capitalists much harder countries to control and exploit. They are no better than the west, they to are only looking acting in self interest, but lets call it out for what it is. The western world is being challenged for the first time since the soviet era ended, not happy with its downfall, they are looking to surround and retire the threat of the soviet creator in Russia, how anyone thinks its a good idea for Putin to let this happen is just plain brain washed with the global double standard they have grown up with. He has every right to recognise the threat, US and NATO won't be happy until him and China are brought into the traditional global pecking order, where they are the main beneficiaries of any positive economic potential in their countries or whatever state identified.
Finland is a real problem, this could get out of hand, neutrality is the key to peace there, not joining nato, an agreement where they are guaranteed future peace for remaining neutral is the key, joining NATO will only bring about another invasion and potential war.
Boris needs to keep the UK out of it, hopefully its just posture, but Putin will escalate soon. This could end in a third world war which will go nuclear, the west needs to arm the current neighbouring states  nato states, not signup new ones. 

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1877 on: May 12, 2022, 05:19:15 PM »
the west needs to arm the current neighbouring states  nato states, not signup new ones.

The West needs to arm The Ukraine and keep the war contained in The Ukraine.

If the war reaches a NATO country it immediately puts nukes on the table because the odds are stacked so high against Russia. That puts the US most at risk of being nuked globally.

It’s plausible we see EU and US hit harder with energy sanctions followed by immediate Covid lockdown. China just fucked is harder than people realise. Lockdowns are pretty much a given as a
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1878 on: May 12, 2022, 07:00:01 PM »
Fraudulent elections have consequences.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1879 on: May 12, 2022, 08:01:22 PM »
wait i thought Trump was supposed to be the one that started world war 3 ???

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1880 on: May 12, 2022, 09:25:17 PM »
Reforming the USSR is western media propaganda.

NATO threat is Russian propaganda.

See. Not a productive avenue. Look at the pattern from Vlad: Moldova, Crimea, now the whole of the Ukraine.

He is on the record as saying he doesn’t believe the Ukraine is a state and then straight up tries to invade the whole country! Denazification! Solution: bomb entire cities to the ground in order to liberate them. Solid logic there Vlad, totally legit. 

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1881 on: May 12, 2022, 10:22:19 PM »
Fraudulent elections have consequences.

Yep. In Russia, this is standard practice. You end up with Putin and insane wars on peaceful sovereign states.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1882 on: May 12, 2022, 11:57:41 PM »
Yep. In Russia, this is standard practice. You end up with Putin and insane wars on peaceful sovereign states.

Dear libertard.
This war is not insane but with reason and Ukraine is not a peaceful country but extremely hostile and dangerous to Russia.
Nice try.
Perhaps you could go peddle this nonsense to your own delusional crowd.


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1883 on: May 13, 2022, 01:48:20 AM »
NATO threat is Russian propaganda.

See. Not a productive avenue. Look at the pattern from Vlad: Moldova, Crimea, now the whole of the Ukraine.

He is on the record as saying he doesn’t believe the Ukraine is a state and then straight up tries to invade the whole country! Denazification! Solution: bomb entire cities to the ground in order to liberate them. Solid logic there Vlad, totally legit.
Wrong, NATO is a threat to Russia. An existential threat. And Russia's nuclear stance is a first strike is acceptable if their existence is threatened. Putin should declare Finland and Sweden joining NATO a matter of national security for Russia. Perhaps they can send a message by doing a 58 Megaton nuke test near the border of Finland. Radiation with the Tsar Bomba test was low due to detonating at a higher altitude. But send Finland and Sweden a clear message. And if they don't listen well then it might be time to send a few hypersonic nukes their way.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1884 on: May 13, 2022, 01:49:31 AM »
Dear libertard.
This war is not insane but with reason and Ukraine is not a peaceful country but extremely hostile and dangerous to Russia.
Nice try.
Perhaps you could go peddle this nonsense to your own delusional crowd.
Agreed. Well said.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1885 on: May 13, 2022, 01:57:26 AM »
NATO threat is Russian propaganda.

See. Not a productive avenue. Look at the pattern from Vlad: Moldova, Crimea, now the whole of the Ukraine.

He is on the record as saying he doesn’t believe the Ukraine is a state and then straight up tries to invade the whole country! Denazification! Solution: bomb entire cities to the ground in order to liberate them. Solid logic there Vlad, totally legit.
What about Estonia, Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania and every other former Soviet state? He is going to take them over as well to recreate the USSR?

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1886 on: May 13, 2022, 02:11:09 AM »

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1887 on: May 13, 2022, 03:54:07 AM »
If we go with the narrative touted frequently that this invasion is predominately about vlad wanting to push back against nato expansion (ignoring the validity or not)... then this week's development of Finland, and then likely Sweden to follow, signalling they are looking to join up said body has by definition made this 'special military operation' a dismal failure and back fire.

Finland have specifically said they are doing this due to the invasion.  This devdlopmemt is real, not a subjective take based on swallowing biased msm etc

Vlad fucked up when he went full-scale 'take the whole country' invasion, that woke the woke west up enough to take action, as limp wristed and reluctant as some of it has been

FYI The woke west is far from awakened, things need to get way worse and to effect people directly for that to happen.
Russia has always known where Finland and Sweden stand, this makes very litttle difference to them.

"Backfire"  ::)  Finland is about To Lose Its Gas , Not just Gas - Finland does huge trade with Russia - Another Stupid nation about to watch its own economic destruction for no valid reason.   

Sanctions = an action teen girls would do to try to get back at someone.

No surprise... 

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1888 on: May 13, 2022, 03:55:01 AM »
Looking forward to return to this thread to gloat about Putin’s demise and Russia’s inevitable defeat.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1889 on: May 13, 2022, 04:12:05 AM »
It seems that most Western countries have decided to "commit suicide" for the sake of Ukraine. Low class very affected , middle class affected , high class not so much. It doesn't matter where you look, whether in the US, Europe, or Australia or New Zealand - we all have one thing in common: Our leaders do not care about us, to them it does not matter if the population is suffering. The only important thing to them is to stay somehow in power and to govern/virtue signal their agenda of moral highground through the term.

It is the same pattern over and over again - whether the Ukraine war, or the pandemic. One agenda to rule us all.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1890 on: May 13, 2022, 04:19:46 AM »
FYI The woke west is far from awakened, things need to get way worse and to effect people directly for that to happen.
Russia has always known where Finland and Sweden stand, this makes very litttle difference to them.

"Backfire"  ::)  Finland is about To Lose Its Gas , Not just Gas - Finland does huge trade with Russia - Another Stupid nation about to watch its own economic destruction for no valid reason.   

Sanction = an action teen girls would do to try to get back at someone.

No surprise...

My comment was merely based on the criteria often cited by Russian sympathisers as justification for the invasion , that being nato pushback, and "always knnown" or not re: finland/Sweden, on that basis it has plainly failed

Let's check back on finlands economic "destruction" in a few months, no doubt they will take a hit ,but they would have obviously taken this into account given its about the only economic lever Russia can pull of weight and so would have been factored in. Perhaps gdp loss YOY vs Russia.

And not just sanctions , but massive arms supplies, intelligence etc etc and Russia sure seems upset about it ,issuing increasingly boring threats meanwhile they are bogged down and going nowhere fast



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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1891 on: May 13, 2022, 04:32:20 AM »
What about Estonia, Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania and every other former Soviet state? He is going to take them over as well to recreate the USSR?

I don't know what he would want with Moldova. I could see him trying to get some more Baltic territory they have that bit of territory there surrounded by Lithuania and Poland.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1892 on: May 13, 2022, 04:34:49 AM »
I don't know what he would want with Moldova. I could see him trying to get some more Baltic territory they have that bit of territory there surrounded by Lithuania and Poland.
Lithuania and Poland are in NATO. You think Putin's going to start a world war for those countries?

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1893 on: May 13, 2022, 04:42:25 AM »
My comment was merely based on the criteria often cited by Russian sympathisers as justification for the invasion , that being nato pushback, and "always knnown" or not re: finland/Sweden, on that basis it has plainly failed

Let's check back on finlands economic "destruction" in a few months, no doubt they will take a hit ,but they would have obviously taken this into account given its about the only economic lever Russia can pull of weight and so would have been factored in. Perhaps gdp loss YOY vs Russia.

And not just sanctions , but massive arms supplies, intelligence etc etc and Russia sure seems upset about it ,issuing increasingly boring threats meanwhile they are bogged down and going nowhere fast

For sanctions to work and achieve desired results it's very important to put in lots of preliminary work before actually going ahead .
Sanctions work when they are carried out at least by a predominant majority which has not been the case in this instance . When you have a sanction regime while big states like China and India are not implementing along with most countries in Asia , Africa and Latin America , it's very unlikely that sanctions would have the effects intended or even not turn out to be counter productive having stirred up financial forces which end up exploiting the economic vulnerabilities of the countries behind the sanction regime themselves.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1894 on: May 13, 2022, 04:43:47 AM »
Lithuania and Poland are in NATO. You think Putin's going to start a world war for those countries?

I doubt he'd want a world war - I don't think he's crazy. If there was a way for him to get a land bridge to that exclave I'm sure he'd want it. I don't see how he does it, at least in the short term.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1895 on: May 13, 2022, 04:48:53 AM »
Most of Eastern Russia is desolate. Same with Alaska.

Oftentimes, when I see Alaska referenced, it makes me think of this classic ;D

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« Reply #1896 on: May 13, 2022, 05:01:23 AM »
Oftentimes, when I see Alaska referenced, it makes me think of this classic ;D


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1897 on: May 13, 2022, 05:57:47 AM »
Remember Finland went to war against the Soviets in the 1940's and Finland was allied with Nazi Germany. The only reason Finland exists is they signed a treating after WWII with Russia in perpetuity (For Ever) declaring their Neutrality.

Sure they want to join NATO, but does not mean they will be accepted. Most likely they won't be accepted, that is if there are a few sane heads left in NATO...

Either way it doesn't really change much re :Russia, as it's clear Sweden and Finland are allied with the West (belong to EU) just simplifies things if it comes to be a full on war in the Arctic. Wonder what the actual people think in Finland and Sweden if they had to vote on it?...as the anti Russia sentiment and rushed decision to join NATO (with no real upside) was mainly spured on by the Finnish/Swedish media...

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1898 on: May 13, 2022, 06:56:22 AM »
NATO threat is Russian propaganda.

See. Not a productive avenue. Look at the pattern from Vlad: Moldova, Crimea, now the whole of the Ukraine.

He is on the record as saying he doesn’t believe the Ukraine is a state and then straight up tries to invade the whole country! Denazification! Solution: bomb entire cities to the ground in order to liberate them. Solid logic there Vlad, totally legit.

You think NATO is benevolent?  ::) 

Tell that to the people of Yugoslavia that were bombed into the ground in 1999 by NATO in order to liberate them...

Guess It's only “rightful and necessary” to invade other countries when NATO does it.

Listen to this clown ->



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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #1899 on: May 13, 2022, 09:33:57 AM »
Having never been to either country I'd prefer living in Finland over Russia I think. But what advantage does the US have from Finland joining NATO?