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Competitive BodyBuilding Haters, It’s time to unite and maybe even change your attitude!
After many years of adverse comments regarding professional bodybuilding as it stands today, and Heath and Palumbo, and even Levone and a good number of hard working officials among many others; there’s an event out there that may be more to your liking.
Or maybe NOT! Some of us gotta hate just for the sake of hating.
But for many of you GetBiggers who think or say that …. "Bodybuilders were better in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s or anytime prior to the present age!" ... when contenders appeared somewhat more symmetrical or aesthetic …. the NPC and the IFBB now offer you CLASSIC Physique.
I’d also add plain old Physique events to the above but too many GetBiggers already dislike/hate the ‘physique uniform’ because it hides the contender's leg development.
It could be remotely possible that the NPC Officials read this GetBig Board on a regular basis and have decided to make an attempt to satisfy every worldwide GetBigger on this GetBig planet.
SO they added Classic Physique!
But that ain’t gonna happen because we all realize that haters gotta hate for their own personal reasons.
So Classic Physique is just another event that will get the 'hatred kindle' fired up.
But hatred can be a double edge as it is so evident on this GetBig Board. Just make adverse comments about someone on this Board you dislike and sure enough that disliked individual will become extremely popular and possibly even a GetBig Legend.
So regardless of how we feel and what we think and say, Classic Physique is going to be a major success for all concerned .... the contenders, the families, the fans, and even for the haters who will have just one more thing to hate about.
And it will also be very successful for the IFBB and the NPC.
So with that said .... I'd like to maybe offer this 'space' where GetBiggers can offer some intelligent comments regarding this new NPC division and keep one and all up to date on whats happening with it.
I'm not an insider, nor do I attend contests outside of the USA Championships,but I do converse with contenders in any and all divisions both NPC ad IFBB ... so a lot of what I have to write about could be purely SCUTTLEBUTT!
More to follow.....
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Classic Physique could have been avoided if the judges rewarded the aesthetic ones. And the mass monsters would be relegated to the 'freak wow factor' like Markus Ruhl. Adding yet another category merely made already torturously long shows even longer.
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As most GHetBiggers already know, Danny Hester won the Oly Classic Physique at this years (2016) Mr Olympia Expo.
Some who were not in attendance that afternoon felt that Danny did not deserve the overall title as the first Olympia Classic Physique Champion.
I was also NOT in attendance but I was very glad to hear that Danny won it.
I've known Danny casually for a good number of years now and he has always impressed me as the perfect gentleman and an interesting conversationalist.
And he has also been in and around the NPC to the best of my knowledge for a good number of years which I think helps a lot wen it comes to judging an event.
ANd I can say that honestly with no insinuation that the judging was anywhere near biased in Danny's favor.
Many years ago there was a requirement in which all contest contenders had a few minutes to express themselves before the judging panel. The exact and official reason for this I have forgotten but Danny would have passed this prejudging phase with flying colors.
And for that reason alone ... I am glade won.
ANd I would hate to judge any contest results by looking at photos taken at that event.
Next up .... Australia's Calum and Canada Chris as Classic Physique contenders at the 2017 Olympia?
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I think the Classic Physique will become very popular with the competitors. Perhaps for many reasons but certainly a major one would be less PED's
I overheard someone at a contest say that the idea behind Classic Physique was to bridge the Physique category with the Open Bodybuilding category. With Open Bodybuilding being based on weight classes and Physique based on height classes, it was only sensible that height and weight be combined, ergo Classic Physique.
I have read several places on this board where posters think that now with Classic Physique that Open Bodybuilding will disappear just as Women's Bodybuilding disappeared.
I disagree with that. I think there will always be an appeal for the bigger and freakier muscle, so Open Bodybuilding will remain. It may have the least number of competitors as compared to Physique and Classic Physique, but it will remain the crown jewel of bodybuilding, a la Mr Olympia. I do think the Classic Physique category will put pressure on the Open Bodybuilding category to look sharper.
As for the shows being long, they are torturously long NOW! They'll have to be divided up.
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JOE, Thanks for your comment .... BUT you gotta remember that you don't have to stay for the whole event. The promoters are getting pretty damn good now letting one and all know what time each event will start.
And that is super-important for the contenders. The 'hurry up and wait' factor is slowly easing away.
ANd regarding the 'freak wow factor' .... it kinda, sorta, grew into that over the years with nothing ever written down when it first started about how it was supposed to be.
Or something like that.
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REPS, I agree with every word you stated above.
And I once mentioned on this Board or another Board that there was a missing "gap' between Bodybuilding and Physique .... so I was not surprised when Jim announced the initiation of Classic Physique which I sometimes mistakenly call CLASSIC BODYBUILDING.
And I did have a short conversation with Jim at the most recent USA Championships and I can assure you that BODYBUILDING will continue without demise. He was very adamant about that.
And YES the shows are way too long but the facilities in which they are held are expensive to rent on a daily basis so they do their best to 'compress' the events and the promoters are doing their best to let one and all know the approximate time in which each event will start up.
But I did notice that the most recent North America held in Canada was a three or four day event possibly due to the number of contenders and the fact that an NPC event was held in conjunction with the IFBB NA Championships. Could be wrong regarding that though!
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OK, Getbiggers ... Here's the TMZ (only saw that TV show twice) slice of this topic.
All of the following is official scuttlebutt and is only based on two thoughts ....one thought on what Calum Von Moger (Australia) had to briefly state on one of his internet sites....
He sort of asked his fans if he should enter the 2017 Olympia Classic Physique Contest and most replied, "Definitely".
The other thought is concerning CHRIS BUMSTEAD who was exceptionally noteworthy when he competed in and won his class (hvywt) at the most recent North America Championshis held in Canada.
His bodybuilding contest photos have been posted somewhere on this Board and I have been told that he weighed in at 224 lbs which most likely put him on stage at a solid 230. (A wild guesstimate.)
In my humble opinion, Chris was very esthetic and definitely deserved his win and as a result he got his IFBB PRO Card..... But in order to continue his IFBB competition as a Pro bodybuilder he most likely would have to gain a shitload of additional bodyweight (muscle mass) to even stand out in an IFBB Pro Bodybuilding lineup ....
So I rightly or wrongly assume that Chris may decide to simply trade over into IFBB Classis Physique Competitions without bulking up in an effort to stand out among the bodybuilding pros.
So ... Do you think that either of them or both of them will be competing in the 2017 Oly Classic Competition?
It will be an interesting 'battle' if they arm up and compete within the same class as both are considered to be among the best at present within the game, but neither of them has yet to reach his full potential.
I think that they will both be on that Oly Classic Physique stage in 2017. A fair 'guesstimate" I think.
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Chris Bumstead (21 year old Canadian IFBB Pro and college student) makes his decision and will compete in Classic Physique this month (Oct 22, I believe the event will be held in Florida) according to his latest YouTube video.
Check it out for further details.
I will be surprised if he does not win the overall.
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I think the Classic Physique will become very popular with the competitors. Perhaps for many reasons but certainly a major one would be less PED's
I overheard someone at a contest say that the idea behind Classic Physique was to bridge the Physique category with the Open Bodybuilding category. With Open Bodybuilding being based on weight classes and Physique based on height classes, it was only sensible that height and weight be combined, ergo Classic Physique.
I have read several places on this board where posters think that now with Classic Physique that Open Bodybuilding will disappear just as Women's Bodybuilding disappeared.
I disagree with that. I think there will always be an appeal for the bigger and freakier muscle, so Open Bodybuilding will remain. It may have the least number of competitors as compared to Physique and Classic Physique, but it will remain the crown jewel of bodybuilding, a la Mr Olympia. I do think the Classic Physique category will put pressure on the Open Bodybuilding category to look sharper.
As for the shows being long, they are torturously long NOW! They'll have to be divided up.
Good post. I'm a fan of classic physique and Zane is my favorite Mr O physique.
You're 100% correct that the open mass freaks will always have fans.
However, the reason for lengthy contests is due mostly to the figure and especially bikini divisions.
At most NPC national events, 70-80% of the entrants come from bikini and figure.
In my opinion, we only need bodybuilding, cpd, WPD and female fitness.
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JOE, Thanks for your comment .... BUT you gotta remember that you don't have to stay for the whole event. The promoters are getting pretty damn good now letting one and all know what time each event will start.
And that is super-important for the contenders. The 'hurry up and wait' factor is slowly easing away.
ANd regarding the 'freak wow factor' .... it kinda, sorta, grew into that over the years with nothing ever written down when it first started about how it was supposed to be.
Or something like that.
I hear you own the events and how the categories are broken up, time-wise. I don't even bother attending shows any more and the expos are more important for what I'm doing with my company, anyway. 1,000-plus competitors and most of them being men and women's bikini made me tap out.
I personally love the freaky mass monsters and don't give a shit if they win shows or not. The industry is going away from the competition aspect, anyway.
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JOE, Thanks again for your latest comment. I don't know what your company is involved with regarding the expos so your expo and contest experience may be more knowledgeable or valid than my own .... but although I have to agree with you that the length of the contests have caused many to "tap out" ... the sheer number of contestants entering all these events now-a-days are bringing many more in than the number of those tapping out.
And that means that the NPC and the IFBB are more profitabe than ever.
SO I don't think that we will ever see a change in that regards.
And at the present time ... I don't see, nor do I foresee, that the industry is leaving the competition aspect .... unless I misunderstood what you meant by that statement.
The fitness expo industry appears to be bigger and more popular than ever .... even worldwide ....which gives a lot of the top contenders the opportunity to travel worldwide and return home with a decent paycheck .... although I have no idea if that paycheck is adequate enough for those participants outside of the top Mr Oly contenders to sustain a decent living.
Thanks for your input, Joe!
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Stunt, for me the problem is that 80% of most contests feature NON-bodybuilding divisions.
MPD, figure and especially bikini are swim suit beauty pageant events.
I want to see (mostly) bodybuilding when I attend a bodybuilding contest.
The reality is bodybuilders ( open and cpd) are the smallest part of current contests.
As I remember the original mission statement of the IFBB and NPC was :
" to feature bodybuilding as a feature, stand alone sport"
what happened?
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Howard, It appears that you liked things the way they used to be.
And I think that Joe Weider felt likewise.
So ... "WHAT HAPPENED? ... is that Joe passed away ...... and the baton has been passed to new and capable hands.
Since Joe's death ... things have changed immensely as you know damn well. And even though many hate those changes they have been extremely successful!
Some don't like those changes and some think that those changes are the greatest thing to happen since sushi and poke.
You can see that by the number of contestants on that stage.
It used to be 12 to 40 contenders, but now it's 100 - 653 and a half PLUS. And make that an extra big plus!
This big change is apparently making big profits for both the NPC and the IFBB.
SO why make any change that will decrease the bottom line? That's not good for business..... and the NPC and the IFBB are big business now thanks to the 'bosses', the contenders,and the fans who pay big bucks to see their sons, daughters, gym members, etc. up there on that stage.
I'd add a balancing elephant act if it would make the show more financially successful.
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Why don't you just combine all of your posts and make a book that no one will read instead.
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I don't think adding more classes is the answer. There should be 2 classes in the whole world. Men's bodybuilding and womens physique. Everything else is useless. Women shouldn't be bodybuilding and men shouldn't be parading around in some physique or classic class. As for judging, it should be on aesthetics and flow, not sheer mass. And on the womens side of things, they should be somewhat lean but not dieting down to skeletons. This whole industry is one big bowl of mental illness.
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TENNIS, We'd have to time-machine back to the 1960's through the early 70's to accommodate your idea of what bodybuilding events should be.
That's just about the time of 12 to 15 contenders and possibly 80 - 120 people in attendance and a fistfull of dollars for the Olympia winners.
Look at it that way and you just might agree that things have changed for the better.
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Classic Physique could have been avoided if the judges rewarded the aesthetic ones. And the mass monsters would be relegated to the 'freak wow factor' like Markus Ruhl. Adding yet another category merely made already torturously long shows even longer.
Why reward aesthetics when you can create a new cla$$ ???
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As most GHetBiggers already know, Danny Hester won the Oly Classic Physique at this years (2016) Mr Olympia Expo.
Some who were not in attendance that afternoon felt that Danny did not deserve the overall title as the first Olympia Classic Physique Champion.
I was also NOT in attendance but I was very glad to hear that Danny won it.
I've known Danny casually for a good number of years now and he has always impressed me as the perfect gentleman and an interesting conversationalist.
And he has also been in and around the NPC to the best of my knowledge for a good number of years which I think helps a lot wen it comes to judging an event.
ANd I can say that honestly with no insinuation that the judging was anywhere near biased in Danny's favor.
Many years ago there was a requirement in which all contest contenders had a few minutes to express themselves before the judging panel. The exact and official reason for this I have forgotten but Danny would have passed this prejudging phase with flying colors.
And for that reason alone ... I am glade won.
ANd I would hate to judge any contest results by looking at photos taken at that event.
Next up .... Australia's Calum and Canada Chris as Classic Physique contenders at the 2017 Olympia?
Who cares about his personality. All that matters is if he deserved to win.
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Stunt, I think classic physique should be broken down into 2 height classes. Up to 5'9", 5' 10" and over. Then let them battle it out for overall.
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I'm also glad that he won it, but there are many who felt otherwise.
But since I did not see this contest personally I have to hold judgement regarding who may be right or who may be wrong.
But I can ALMOST guarantee ya that those who say he did not deserve the win .... were nowhere near the Expo on that particular day.
And there has seldom ever been a contest in which the results satisfy the family, friends, and most of all ... the fans ... who judge a contest by looking at the pictures.
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RONNIE, I think you're thinking forward and that could possibly happen eventually if it will solve any problems that the NPC observes as a result of too many wt/ht classes within this new Classic Physique event.
Here's the way I see it ..... In smaller Classic Physique events such as those events below the state championships level ..... it is definitely a possibility that there may not be a sufficient number of Classic Physique contenders to fill each wt/ht division.
In such a case it just might be possible that the smaller events will be held exactly as you so stated above ..... TWO separate wt/ht classes with the winners of each batttleing it out for the overall.
Or in exceptionally small events ..... there could be the possibility of just one Classic Physique division only.
You just might be thinking ahead of the game.
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I don't see the 70s and earlier type of physique making a return to the dais. So long as the mentally ill fetishists control the judging, the squatty, overbuilt carapace-gut, muscularly obese, thongolian trend will continue ad nauseam. Bodybuilding has become schmoe & tell.
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SCOTT, That is most likely why Classic Physique is being NPC/IFBB sanctioned. And I don't foresee any changes within the judging of bodybuilding events.
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RONNIE, I just noticed on an official NPC Classic Physique information page that promoters can promote a two-division Classic Physique contest
One division for any contender up to and including 5'7" with a bodywt of up to and including 170 labs
And the second division for all contenders over 5'7 with a bodywt over 170 and up to and including 270 lbs.
If the above is correct it appears that all Classic Physique contenders within a two-division contest will find it much more difficult to place better than if they were in a 17 division contest as 150lb- contenders will be competing against 170 lb contenders and 171 lb contenders may find themselves competing against 270 lb contenders.
Yes..... there can be up to 17 Classic divisions based on ht/wt in a large Classic Physique contest ..... which will most likely only occur in a national Classic Physique contest.
if there are any changes forthcoming, the NPC will most likely base those changes on the Classic Physique 'weigh-in' (wt + ht.) criteria.
And it seems pretty damn evident that the event promoter would not be able to know how many of the 17 divisions will be contested until the Classic Physique weigh-ins are completed.
If anyone is confused ... Please join the club.
But I can guarantee ya that the NPC officials will have the situation well in hand.
My big question at the moment is ... who receives the Pro Cards within a Classic Physique event?
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SCOTT, That is most likely why Classic Physique is being NPC/IFBB sanctioned. And I don't foresee any changes within the judging of bodybuilding events.
I doubt I would ever waste my money or time attending a contest now. You and I both know what it was like many, many years ago. Family and friends and if there were schmoes in the audience they kept it to themselves instead of like now where they wear their anus on their sleeves...
Hopefully I am wrong and physical culture makes a real comeback.
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SCOTT, Yes I do also know what bodybuilding contests were like in the past, but my experience goes beyond the 'past' when these contests were held under basketball nets on which a lightbulb was hung.
And that contest was most likely only commendced after the Olympic or Powerlifters received their trophies and cleaned up the weights and placed them back in their proper locations. (And cleaned up all the chalk from the floor).
Most bodybuilding events back then were held in conjunction with some lifting event and only started when all parts of that lifting event were completed.
That literally meant that some bodybuilding events would start after the midnight hour and the sun would be coming up over the horizon once it was over.
So I have seen many changes for the better that most likely were not too evident when you were involved or participated.
So ... seeing all these "improvements" from my perspective since the good old days makes me think that today's bodybuilding events ain't so bad after all!
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Not a problem in the least but ..... I see that somebody changed the title to this topic for reasons beyond my comprehension.
??? ;D
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This weekend (Oct 21-23, 2016) the 2016 NPC Dayana Cadeau Classic will be held in Miami, Florida.
This event includes .... Bodybuilding, Classic Physique, Figure, Bikini, Men's & Women's Physique.
I have no idea who will be competing other than Chris Bumstead and his sister(?).
Chris recently won his IFBB Pro Card as the BODYBUILDING heavy-weight winner in Canada's North America Championships at a weigh-in bodyweight of 224 at the age of 21, but has decided to compete this weekend as an IFBB Classic Physique competitor.
I believe that Chris will win this Classic contest and possibly set a new trend tor competitors who receive an IFBB Pro Bodybuilding Card but are not yet massive enough to compete as an IFBB Bodybuilding Pro against the 'bigger guys' who have had enough time in grade and have gained additional muscle mass in order to stand out among the bodybuilding pros.
Just one more good reason for the existence of this new Classic Physique category .... a Pro event to enter while you're still 'growing'.
Good luck to Chris and his sister this weekend ....
Chris and Danny Hester have completely different classic physiques so it would be interesting to see the judges' decision if they were to both compete against once another, but no word as of yet if Danny will be on that stage.
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They need to ditch the weight classes entirely. Most of the best "classical" physiques from the 70's and 80's would have been too heavy to compete in this division. I want to see crazy lines and vacuums and tapers, not just shriveled up pathetic looking modern bodybuilders. Arnold in 1974 weighed 250 lbs and was probably the most aesthetic thing to ever step on a bodybuilding stage, but that's 30 lbs overweight for the new division.
They need to judge it based on how they would have judged it in the 70's. It wasn't just about muscularity and conditioning, and the judges back then were perfectly competent in not automatically giving the most shredded or the biggest guy the win like they do today. Instead of limiting the size of the guys that the judges are allowed to see, they would just get judges that don't blow their load whenever they see a big juicy gut monster. It shouldn't be that hard.
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NERDOLD, I don't have much time to respond to your recent post but I gotta say the following ....
The Classic Physique Ht/Wt 'requirements' could possibly be temporary until the officials realize that 'It just ain't working the way we thought it would!"Or is could remain the same because it's working just fine.
Plus you have to realize that it's possible to promote a two division Classic Physique event when there are a limited number of contenders.
A change for improvement is always a possibility, but it could be a change that GetBiggers just don't like which is not a remote possibility.
It's probably even possible to hold a Classic event with no ht/wt 'restrictions' due to the limited number of contenders but I have not heard anything official about that as of yet.
I don't foresee 17 Classic divisions in any contest outside of a national championship event, but one or two classic divisions may be pretty damn common in local events.
I'm sure that all of this is being or will be considered as time progresses.
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2016 IFBB Dayana Cadeau Classic Physique results (Oct 22, Florida)
1st ... DaRREM CHARLES ........ CONGRATS. DARREM!
2nd ... Terrence Ruffin
3rd ... Chris Bumstead
4th ... Kevin Wison
The attached photos were not taken at the subject event but copied from various internet sites ....
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For those GetBiggers who may be interested in following the growth of NPC and IFBB Classic Physique it may be interesting to note that there were only 4 Classic competitors in this 2016 IFBB Dayana Cadeau Classic which is a big IFBB event held in Florida each year.
This is Classic's first introductory year and it is sure to expand as the interest in Classic Physique is somewhat extraordinary.
It will be interesting to see the number of professional bodybuilders who decide to switch over to Classic competition this forthcoming year.
And I am somewhat surprised that Chris Bumstead did not place higher in this contest (his first time competing as a bodybuilding pro in a Classic contest) as he does seem to have the potential to do exceptionally well within a pro classic as well as a pro bodybuilding event.
But if this 3rd place trophy encourages/discourages him to compete as a bodybuilder next year, it looks like he would have to add 40 - 50 pounds to his frame to stand up there with the IFBB Big Boys.
Chris has a hell of a lot of potential within the world of lifting heavy things, so it will be interesting to see what he decides to do in 2017.
My best guess is the 2017 Olympia Classic Physique and then, depending on how that turns out, jumping into the world of pro bodybuilding competition in 2018.
Only 21 with a hell of a lot of muscle potential in his future!
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I should also add that Chris' sister also entered the Dayana Cadeau Classic but I have yet to find the results of her contest.
The Dynamic Duo!
Any help?
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Chris and Sis and Friend at check-in/weigh-in......
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Chris and Sis and Friend at check-in/weigh-in......
I find it hard to believe that he got third behind Ruffin.
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MAZRIM, I find it hard to agree or disagree with your statement, but I honestly thought that Bumstead would win the overall in this contest until I realized that Darrem was also entered.
I hate to judge the outcome of any contest by the photos, but I'm gonna break that 'rule' by making some dis-honest comments once these contest photos are posted on line.
I say 'dishonest' simply due to the fact that I was not present to observe the event.
And based on those/my 'dis-honest' comments ... I'll do my best to make an honest comment or two concerning on what I think the Classic judges are looking for.
Many fans feel that Hester did not deserve his Olympia Classic win but personally I am glad that he did win it simply because I know him and hold him in high esteem.
I did not see that event nor have I seen any photos of his fellow competitors except for the one Oly Classic photo I saw of Hester so my opinion about the outcome should be taken as a grain of salt.
But the fact that he has been involved within the world of lifting heavy things for a good number of years just might have given him a slight edge (score-wise) when it came time to making that Oly Classic outcome decision.
Do you think Bumstead's 3rd out of 4 place decision will have any affect on how he intends to compete over the next couple of years.
Personally .... I think that he and his sister are a breath of fresh air in this bodybuilding world and I hope that they both do well in whatever event they decide to compete within.
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Once again .... the following may only be of interest to those GetBiggers who are or will be interested in this new Classic Bodybuilding
According to the IFBB Pro website there will be a total of 29 IFBB Classic Bodybuilding events held between the months of March 2016 through November 2016.
Two of those Classic contests will be held (or have been held) in Canada and one will be (or has been held) in Puerto Rico.
The remaining 27 Classic contests will be held within the USA.
When compared to the total number of nine 212 contests ... seven of which are held within the US with one in South Korea and one more in Canada .... it's pretty damn obvious that 'Classic' will be successful beyond some GetBiggers' expectations.
The above figures may not be totally accurate and most likely have increased since the IFBBPRO site was updated.
So ... like it or not.... Classic Physique competitions are here to stay and the number of such events will dramatically increase over the next few years.
Some GetBiggers will have to search hard for something other than bloated looking stomachs to complain about ..... but one thing is sure!
They will find it!
And ... believe it or not but ..... that's one of the major things that makes these events so damn interesting!
NOTE: The above Classic competition event figures may be outdated.
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I will add that the Classic competition 'uniforms' are somewhat more presentable to the general population than the present day bodybuilding competition dress-code which a few GetBiggers have objected to.
SCOTT, Could this be the start of physical culture making a real comeback?
Sorry for the blurry photo.
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There have been a fair number of unjust accusations against the IFBB judges who placed Bumstead as the 3rd place 'winner' in last weekend's IFBB Classc Physique event .
The vast majority of these 'accusations' were most likely made by the Chris fans who were nowhere in or near the contest site which is somewhat typical today and has been for as long as I can remember when a very young Hercules lost the neighborhood teen muscle show to Dave Palumbo's great, great, great (x32) grandfather.
More on my thoughts about why he lost this past weekend will be submitted if there is any GetBig interest.
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I personally love the division. .gives the tall guys a chance instead of going up against the midgets
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I will add that the Classic competition 'uniforms' are somewhat more presentable to the general population than the present day bodybuilding competition dress-code which a few GetBiggers have objected to.
SCOTT, Could this be the start of physical culture making a real comeback?
Sorry for the blurry photo.
One can hope so, my friend!
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I will add that the Classic competition 'uniforms' are somewhat more presentable to the general population than the present day bodybuilding competition dress-code which a few GetBiggers have objected to.
SCOTT, Could this be the start of physical culture making a real comeback?
Sorry for the blurry photo.
They need to go to a full cut posing trunk, instead of those short shorts. Will highlight leg development and look better.
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RONNIE, I sure as hell ain't no victorian prude when it comes to the present day bodybuilding dress code but the 'dress-code" of just a dozen or so years back seemed more proper and appropriate.
And as far as the present day Classic Physique dress code goes ...... it does appear to be more acceptable to the general public which I think that this new classic event is gunning for.
Bumstead entered his first pro Classic Physique contest just last weekend after a couple of years within bodybuilding competition and said that it was the first time he felt "strange with so much clothing on".
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This may be something of interest to new Classic Physique competitors, fans and followers ..... Of the two classic physique contests that I am personally aware of ..... Two bodybuilding competitors have crossed over into Classic and won the overall title.
I am not aware of the results within other classic events but .....
The IFBB Dayana Cadeau 2016 Classic Physique title was awarded to Charles Darrem just this past weekend. Charles has been competing as a bodybuilder within the IFBB since the early 1990's and possibly even earlier.
And Danny Hester recently won the 2016 Olympia Classic Physique title after a good number of years competing as bodybuilder within the NPC since the early 1990's and possibly earlier.
This could possibly be the setting of a new trend within the world of IFBB Classic Physique completion.
The only thing that I can see that could possibly be 'bad' here is that it could possibly discourage those who lack a past "contest history" from competing as a classic contender.
Thinking deeply .... but not too smartly due to the fact hat I am only familiar with two Classic outcomes and 'trends' require much more statistical 'inputs'.
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This may be something of interest to new Classic Physique competitors, fans and followers ..... Of the two classic physique contests that I am personally aware of ..... Two bodybuilding competitors have crossed over into Classic and won the overall title.
I am not aware of the results within other classic events but .....
The IFBB Dayana Cadeau 2016 Classic Physique title was awarded to Charles Darrem just this past weekend. Charles has been competing as a bodybuilder within the IFBB since the early 1990's and possibly even earlier.
And Danny Hester recently won the 2016 Olympia Classic Physique title after a good number of years competing as bodybuilder within the NPC since the early 1990's and possibly earlier.
This could possibly be the setting of a new trend within the world of IFBB Classic Physique completion.
The only thing that I can see that could possibly be 'bad' here is that it could possibly discourage those who lack a past "contest history" from competing as a classic contender.
Thinking deeply .... but not too smartly due to the fact hat I am only familiar with two Classic outcomes and 'trends' require much more statistical 'inputs'.
yep, judges picking the people they think should win rather than judging the physiques on the day, this already happens at the Olympia
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BE THERE, I didn't say what you just said, "judges picking the people they think should win etc." but it could be a possibility.
But even if a judge or judges did pick the person who he thought should win based on PAST performance, I can guarantee you that the scoresheet tabulation would not be manipulated unless each and every judge thought likewise.
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The following is based on Bumstead's remarks and the video that he posted on Instagram recently.
He did admit that he had to improve all around but with emphasis on his posing and transitions.
His routine (including his transitions) looked good enough to me but if I ever had an occasion to talk with Bumstead's coach, here are the few main things which I would recommend prior to his next contest ....
Show self confidence in the initial relaxed lineup. The judges are seeing the contenders for the first time and are mentally searching for the best and the 'worst' in that group.
Improve his mandatory shots ...... The mandatories are next and are required when the competitors are lined up on stage so that the judges can compare each contender to each other contender. This is a very brief time period during which the judges start making up their mind and start ranking each contender on paper or within his mind.
And I would also recommend that Chris or any other NPC/IFBB competitor make arrangements to sit in as a TEST JUDGE at one or more of the local shows in an effort to gain a thorough understanding of the judging process and what is going through the judges' minds in order to make valid placement decisions.
And an understanding of all the whys, the whats, and the where-fores during any prejudging process.
Plus I would suggest that anyone sitting in as a TeST JUDGE ask to also sit in during the scoring tabulation process to understand how that process also works.
It works well enough to never be changed.
There simply ain't no better way of doing it!
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Looks like a deserved placement.
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I don't see the 70s and earlier type of physique making a return to the dais. So long as the mentally ill fetishists control the judging, the squatty, overbuilt carapace-gut, muscularly obese, thongolian trend will continue ad nauseam. Bodybuilding has become schmoe & tell.
Hahahaha.
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GREGZ, Thanks for posting that contest video and MAZRIM ..... based on that video ... I have to agree with ya concerning the outcome.
But I still gotta add that it is pretty inaccurate (on most occasions) to determine the contest placements based on photos and/or videos.
It's also pretty damn inaccurate to determine the contest placements even if you are physically present .... but not within the vicinity of the judging table.
It's a different contest depending on where you sit.
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maybe this could be the answer for Howards come back.
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SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 2016 NPC-IFBB IRON GAMES
This may be the event in which Calum Von Moger (Australia's internet social media sensation and all around good-guy) gets an IFBB Pro Card. But not definitely positive if he already has one.
Calum photo attached.
Sixteen Contests / Forty-nine Divisions!
See them all for the price of one! (Prejudging.)
Who said bodybuilding is dead?!
Expect an estimated 700 contenders in this event.
No need to read the following unless you need or want to see what events are being contested.
UNLIMITED MENS BODYBUILDING - Seven Divisions
WOMEN'S PHYSIQUE - Two Divisions
NOVICE MENS BODYBUILDING - Four Divisions
UNLIMITED BIKINI - Six Divisions
MASTERS MENS BODYBUILDING 40+ - One class
MASTERS BIKINI 35+ - Three Divisons
UNLIMITED MENS PHYSIQUE - Six Divisions
MASTERS BIKINI 40+ - Two Divisions
MENS PHYSIQUE MASTERS 35+ - Two Divisions
NOVICE BIKINI - Four Divisions
MENS PHYSIQUE MASTERS 40+ - One class
UNLIMITED FUGURE - Four Divisions
MEN TEENS PHYSIQUE (16 THRU 19) - - One Class
MASTERS FIGURE 35+ - Two Divisions
NOVICE MENS PHYSIQUE — Three Divisions
MASTERS FIGURE 40+ - One class
RON.... Will you be there?
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As previously expected the NPC/IFBB Weight/Hight limits have been 'readjusted" as on November 7, 2016. (See below)
At present I don't know the exact reason why this change was made but many of the present and future Classic contenders are or will be happy to see this 'readjustment'.
Thanks to WIGGS for the heads up, And to the official IFBB Pro website.
NOTE: Pls notice that the following 'directive' is addressed to IFBB Pros, officials and judges only so I assume that the NPC amateur ht/wt requirements have not been changed.
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13B-T, I'm not sure if this is you or not but if it is you, you are the first GetBigger I've 'met' who is a CLASSIC PHYSIQUE competitor.
And I should say ... A damn impressive Classic Physique competitor.
Your condition as shown below (if it is you) would have enabled you to win a state BODYBUILDING CHAMPIONSHIP title or at least come damn close back in the 70's and possibly into the 80's.
Within the Corps you would have been the "kid who worked out for functional muscle" who was able to excel in any military physical fitness test thrown your way and I would have had to break your leg to keep ya from beating me!
But over the years things have changed a bit within the bodybuilding world as most GetBiggers well know.
Competitors such as yourself are producing a welcomed change which many individuas and athletes are beginning to appreciate.
In my humble opinion ... You're a winner no matter how you place!
If it's you..... You have great potential.
Don't give up!
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It may be of interest to some GetBiggers to see how Calum Von Moger places in his first NPC/IFBB contest this weekend.
Of interest to some GetBiggers because I think you have to be a US Citizen or maybe just a US resident to compete in any NPC sanctioned contest
At one time US citizenship was necessary to compete as an NPC amateur due to the fact that an agreement was reached between the NPC and the IFBB in which contenders who resided outside of the USA would be eligible to enter amateur IFBB events only
Somewhere along the way it is possible that USA citizenship was not required if a contender who wanted to enter an NPC sanctioned event lived within the US for period of 90 days.
And it should prove interesting to see if Calum places well in this first event after a couple of years association with governing bodies outside of the NPC/IFBB.
I personally think he has a good chance of wining it, but only time will tell.
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Yup. Taking a "selfie" knocks him down a few in my book. Not that it will matter much in this self-centered world we currently live in.
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FRENCH, Thanks! Good picture. Looks like it was taken recently because he appears to be on contest shape and this weekend's NOC contest in Culver City marks his first entrance into the NPC and a possible venture into the IFBB following shortly thereafter.
Eventually he should be competing against Canada's Chris Bumstead in one of the Olympia events. Include Timms in that mix and we have three of the most promising contenders of recent times
I say 'one of the Olympia events' because I am not too sure that he nor Bumstead want to add the size that would be required to compete against Heath and the other top-notch Oly contenders ... so the Classic is always open for those who don't want to take the big step into 'muscledom"
Notice I did not say "Musceldumb"! .... Before some GetBiggers jump in with both feet running!
SCOTT, It appears that the whole world including every gym member throughout the Universe is shooting shirtless selfies now-a-days!
Now back to my celery, mayonnaise, and cottage cheese sandwich.
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It may be of interest to some GetBiggers to see how Calum Von Moger places in his first NPC/IFBB contest this weekend.
Of interest to some GetBiggers because I think you have to be a US Citizen or maybe just a US resident to compete in any NPC sanctioned contest
At one time US citizenship was necessary to compete as an NPC amateur due to the fact that an agreement was reached between the NPC and the IFBB in which contenders who resided outside of the USA would be eligible to enter amateur IFBB events only
Somewhere along the way it is possible that USA citizenship was not required if a contender who wanted to enter an NPC sanctioned event lived within the US for period of 90 days.
And it should prove interesting to see if Calum places well in this first event after a couple of years association with governing bodies outside of the NPC/IFBB.
I personally think he has a good chance of wining it, but only time will tell.
you have to be a resident to compete in the npc not a citizen.. if he wants to turn pro he will have to do an international pro qualifier or go to Australia and qualify
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FRENCH, Thanks! Good picture. Looks like it was taken recently because he appears to be on contest shape and this weekend's NOC contest in Culver City marks his first entrance into the NPC and a possible venture into the IFBB following shortly thereafter.
Eventually he should be competing against Canada's Chris Bumstead in one of the Olympia events. Include Timms in that mix and we have three of the most promising contenders of recent times
I say 'one of the Olympia events' because I am not too sure that he nor Bumstead want to add the size that would be required to compete against Heath and the other top-notch Oly contenders ... so the Classic is always open for those who don't want to take the big step into 'muscledom"
Notice I did not say "Musceldumb"! .... Before some GetBiggers jump in with both feet running!
SCOTT, It appears that the whole world including every gym member throughout the Universe is shooting shirtless selfies now-a-days!
Now back to my celery, mayonnaise, and cottage cheese sandwich.
marty champions approved....
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CHEST INSANITY | 1 DAY OUT!
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NPC classic physique competition Muscle Contest Iron Games
Overall Champion Calum Von Moger
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Thanks, French. That win was anticipated and it's good news. Frank McGrath played a big role in getting him ready according to Calum's Instagram report.
Did this win get him an IFBB Pro Card?
I foresee him competing at the Oly Expo against Bumstead next year or at one of the Arnold events before then.
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Frank McGrath played a big role in getting him ready
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any idea on his height and weight? many classic guys are bodybuilders who have trimmed down....
he looks solid!
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gym shots/selfies are way more impressive these days than contest pics/stage shots the screen shot of him from the video few posts ago was the perfect build shot,the shot here with mcgrath is a ripped dudebut not as impressive as the above shot...
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No offense to any fans of "classic physique", but I can't see it taking off. It is a relic of the past, like oldies radio.Training paradigms, nutritional techiniques and pharmaceutical technologies have evolved. Size rules. Size is awesome to behold, it is addictive and it is fascinating. I think where we are going to see more money and power is the mass monsters taking it to the next level.
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Tunza, I have to disagree with you regarding some of what you posted above.
Classic Physique may not have taken off just yet ..... but it's definitely on the launch pad and should hit the stratosphere pretty darn soon.
So don't be too surprised if those 'awesome' pro contenders who aren't quite awesome enough to place within the money decide to enter Classic events.
This will happen soon enough when Classic event cash awards are equal to the 'carrot' that they did not receive as a bodybuilding competitor.
And there is no reason to think that they will not co-exist as the mass monster fans will always be there.
But thousands of others thought that an eventual change was necessary because the 'next level' would be unacceptable by many and hazardous for a few.
And many of those thousands are in full support of this newly resurrected event called Classic Physique .... which some simply call Classic Bodybuilding which many feel will grow by leaps and 'pounds' ........ but not as many 'pounds' as the mass monster, Oly competitors we either appreciate or hate today.
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Bumstead:
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TACO, Calum is 6'2 according to his website.
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OK, But if we add Robert TIMMS (photo below) along with Calum Von Moger and Chris Bumstead (photo above - Thanks, REPS) .... I think we'd have the three top upcoming contenders within this new Classic division.
Feel free to add others if you feel that they would be major contenders within this group.
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Add this guy as well.
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Add this guy as well.
GUY IN BACK TRYING HARD NOT BE A 'HOMO'
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(http://rs110.pbsrc.com/albums/n103/sandydoxley/art_atwood.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L7AHQZ_JrZk/UCvveautfJI/AAAAAAAAKf4/04qMJ6zxAws/s320/markus+rhul+(5).jpg)
Boom!
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FRENCH, Yep, that individual would be a prime Classic contender in any classic event. Add him to the list as #4.
TUNZA, the two individuals whose photos you submitted would do well/great in any bodybuilding contest but would most likely place dead last in a classic event. That type of physique (true bodybuilding to many fans) is one of the reasons why Classic Physique is now being sanctioned.
But I think you already know this.
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Add this guy as well.
Great lines. Reminds me of Richard Baldwin.
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Why reward aesthetics when you can create a new cla$$ ???
Right
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13B-T, I'm not sure if this is you or not but if it is you, you are the first GetBigger I've 'met' who is a CLASSIC PHYSIQUE competitor.
And I should say ... A damn impressive Classic Physique competitor.
Your condition as shown below (if it is you) would have enabled you to win a state BODYBUILDING CHAMPIONSHIP title or at least come damn close back in the 70's and possibly into the 80's.
Within the Corps you would have been the "kid who worked out for functional muscle" who was able to excel in any military physical fitness test thrown your way and I would have had to break your leg to keep ya from beating me!
But over the years things have changed a bit within the bodybuilding world as most GetBiggers well know.
Competitors such as yourself are producing a welcomed change which many individuas and athletes are beginning to appreciate.
In my humble opinion ... You're a winner no matter how you place!
If it's you..... You have great potential.
Don't give up!
Thanks, I'm trying but I still have 30lbs to add. I'm at 172lb 5'10" there in class B
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Add this guy as well.
That's 6'7" Aaron Reed. He just won the NPC All South last weekend and will be competing in the NPC Nationals in Miami this weekend -
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Great lines. Reminds me of Richard Baldwin.
Agreed except a foot shorter.
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NATURAL O, AARON appears to be a serious classic contender in this weakend's Nationals especially after his recent Southern States victory. I don't know who will be entering other than Nick Ostler of Last Vegas and now Aaron, but I am sure it will be a tough job for the officials to make the right decision.
And it will be interesting to see how many amateur bodybuilders will be dropping weight to compete as a Classic contender at this year's Nationals.
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NATURAL O, AARON appears to be a serious classic contender in this weakend's Nationals especially after his recent Southern States victory. I don't know who will be entering other than Nick Ostler of Last Vegas and now Aaron, but I am sure it will be a tough job for the officials to make the right decision.
And it will be interesting to see how many amateur bodybuilders will be dropping weight to compete as a Classic contender at this year's Nationals.
I just saw him in the gym today, he looks crazy ready. Vascular from head to toe, his legs are huge and cross striated and his abs are super deep. I think he's going to get his pro card this weekend.
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Good to hear that about Aaron, Natural.
I'm looking forward to see if the judges choose someone they may already be familiar with as the overall winner.
"Someone" who has competed within he NPC as a bodybuilder but has just missed winning a bodybuilding pro card and has decided to make an attempt to get that pro card within a Classic contest.
It should prove interesting to keep track of who wins and who looses with the class division for the next 12 to 24 months as some of (if not most of) the contenders within a Classic lineup have relatively similar, first class physiques ....so that it could turn out that one's previous contest history may play a small role in placement determination.
Deep thinking ... which may not be an important factor ... unless the above turned out to be an actuality.
All in all .... it was great to see Bumstead and Von Moger add new faces to this new division. And I hope that it will continue.
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Good to hear that about Aaron, Natural.
I'm looking forward to see if the judges choose someone they may already be familiar with as the overall winner.
"Someone" who has competed within he NPC as a bodybuilder but has just missed winning a bodybuilding pro card and has decided to make an attempt to get that pro card within a Classic contest.
It should prove interesting to keep track of who wins and who looses with the class division for the next 12 to 24 months as some of (if not most of) the contenders within a Classic lineup have relatively similar, first class physiques ....so that it could turn out that one's previous contest history may play a small role in placement determination.
Deep thinking ... which may not be an important factor ... unless the above turned out to be an actuality.
All in all .... it was great to see Bumstead and Von Moger add new faces to this new division. And I hope that it will continue.
I think this division has a lot of potential and will attract more competitors over the next few years than bodybuilding will. Most people don't want to be as big as you have to be to compete on the professional level of bodybuilding and most don't want to do what you have to do to get that big.
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NATURAL O, I agree with ya 100% but would like to add that Classic Physique competitions should have no adverse effect on bodybuilding competitions .... but will offer an alternative or additional event for today's bodybuilding competitors who choose not too get too 'large'.
BTW.... Bumstead just signed with MHP supps. Congrats, CHRIS!
Here's a question which some GetBiggers such as COACH may be able to answer.
Does the IFBB sanction any Senior (40+ or otherwise) bodybuilding contest which offers CASH AWARDS to the winners?
FRENCH, Can you ID the individual in the photo above TIMMS?
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NATURAL O, I agree with ya 100% but would like to add that Classic Physique competitions should have no adverse effect on bodybuilding competitions .... but will offer an alternative or additional event for today's bodybuilding competitors who choose not too get too 'large'.
BTW.... Bumstead just signed with MHP supps. Congrats, CHRIS!
Here's a question which some GetBiggers such as COACH may be able to answer.
Does the IFBB sanction any Senior (40+ or otherwise) bodybuilding contest which offers CASH AWARDS to the winners?
IFBB parting with cash???
Lol, good one...
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BETHERE, I think you know this but .... just to make sure ......
YES, IFBB Pros do compete for cash awards, but I cannot find any IfBB Sr. competition which offers cash awards to the sr. winners.
And I am not definite about this but I don't believe that there is any other bodybuilding sanctioning body that offers cash awards anywhere near close to the IFBB cash awards.
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
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BETHERE, Come to think of it, you are partially right.......
I believe that it is the contest promoter's responsibility to pay the prize money in any professionally sanctioned IFBB contest.
So I assume that would mean that the IFBB is only responsible for the prize money offered to the IFBB Olympia winners .... which is in itself a large amount of cash!
Once again I am talking through the other end of the horse due to the fact that I am not in the loop when it comes to cash awards within the IFBB.
Regardless ..... Apology submitted!
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BETHERE, I think you know this but .... just to make sure ......
YES, IFBB Pros do compete for cash awards, but I cannot find any IfBB Sr. competition which offers cash awards to the sr. winners.
And I am not definite about this but I don't believe that there is any other bodybuilding sanctioning body that offers cash awards anywhere near close to the IFBB cash awards.
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
The IFBB gives awards out at the Olympia, sure, the big money goes to the winners of the O, thats the one that gets the publicity.
Just look at the prize money for the 212 class
The total breakdown of prize money per division is as follows:
Mr. Olympia: $675,000
212 Showdown: $65,000
Ms. Olympia: $60,000
Fitness Olympia: $60,000
Figure Olympia: $60,000
Bikini Olympia: $40,000
Men’s Physique Showdown: $20,000
Women’s Physique Showdown: $20,000
Total: $1,000,000
I would estimate most of the prize money comes from sponsors rather than the IFBB itself.
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Sure ,,,, the prize money comes from sponsors rather than the IFBB itself.
But those sponsors pay the IFBB to be so called sponsored abut the IFBB cuts the checks to the winners.
I think we have an agreement here ... but we are both saying the same thing in different ways.
The sponsors pay the IFBB to be sponsors and the exhibitors pay the IFBB to be exhibitors . eyc., etc .... and the IFBB uses those funds to pay for everything connected with he promotion of the contest and the hundred of thousands to pay the winners.
At least ... that's the way I see it.
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Sure ,,,, the prize money comes from sponsors rather than the IFBB itself.
But those sponsors pay the IFBB to be so called sponsored abut the IFBB cuts the checks to the winners.
I think we have an agreement here ... but we are both saying the same thing in different ways.
The sponsors pay the IFBB to be sponsors and the exhibitors pay the IFBB to be exhibitors . eyc., etc .... and the IFBB uses those funds to pay for everything connected with he promotion of the contest and the hundred of thousands to pay the winners.
At least ... that's the way I see it.
pretty much
If it wasnt for fart powder there wouldnt be pro bodybuilding.
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BETHERE, I agree with your most recent statement simply due to the fact that the supplement companies provide the financial assistance to continue competitive bodybuilding events.
But there seems to be a change occuring in which the contestant entry fees help defray the major contest expenses .... as well as the admission fees that are paid by all the fans .... the family members and close friends in particular.
Does anyone have any idea how much the supplement companies pay the IFBB bodybuilding pros to be associated with that particular company? I hear rumors of $100,000 plus per year for some of the top individuals.
Anyone have any information of how much the top physique, classic, and the ladies receive each year?
Bumstead recently signed up with MHP but ... no idea how much income he gets as a result of that association.
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BETHERE, I agree with your most recent statement simply due to the fact that the supplement companies provide the financial assistance to continue competitive bodybuilding events.
But there seems to be a change occuring in which the contestant entry fees help defray the major contest expenses .... as well as the admission fees that are paid by all the fans .... the family members and close friends in particular.
Does anyone have any idea how much the supplement companies pay the IFBB bodybuilding pros to be associated with that particular company? I hear rumors of $100,000 plus per year for some of the top individuals.
Anyone have any information of how much the top physique, classic, and the ladies receive each year?
Bumstead recently signed up with MHP but ... no idea how much income he gets as a result of that association.
thats why they are introducing so many new classes, more competitors = more people that come and support them = more ticket sales.
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FRENCH, Can you ID the individual in the photo above TIMMS?
STUNT,
That's SADIK.
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Thanks, NEITHER.
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sadik looks great there..he was so-so onstage we will see if he can get bigger and look same onstage,,in ads he will sell pics/supps..
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2016 NPC Nationals Overall Champions .... (A MAJOR NPC CONTEST, SO I'M ADDING IT HERE)
Men's Bodybuilding ..... Shaun Vasquez (photo attached)
Women’s Physique ….Vanessa Naesheim (photo attached)
Women’s Bodybuilding ….. Chareece Johnson
Men’s Classiic Physique ….. Godfrey Soronda
Figure ….. Tiffani Hebert
Bikini .... Elizabeth Lanham
The number's game ... It appears that there were roughly 185 Men's Physique contenders and about 112 Classic Physique contenders, 233 female bodybuilders and many more in each of the other ladies divisions.
If time allows ... I'll do my best to attach some contest photos that I manage to download from the net .
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OK, But if we add Robert TIMMS (photo below) along with Calum Von Moger and Chris Bumstead (photo above - Thanks, REPS) .... I think we'd have the three top upcoming contenders within this new Classic division.
Feel free to add others if you feel that they would be major contenders within this group.
I saw Timms pose and he is top notch.
I will be entering the classic mens dec 10th in Los Angeles. I am 2 weeks out! I feel ready to go. 8)
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I saw Timms pose and he is top notch.
I will be entering the classic mens dec 10th in Los Angeles. I am 2 weeks out! I feel ready to go. 8)
pics?
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TRES!, Good luck in your forthcoming contest.That's usually a tough contest all around.
Keep us advised when you have the time to do so and how the event was run and managed .... all the good stuff and all the bad.
Jon always runs a good show so expect to have a good time and realize that the 'hurry up and wait' factor is not unusual in contests with a lot of entrants.
You may not be aware how small the back stage area of the War Memorial in Culver City is so be advised that the warm up area is pretty damn small and it may be worth your while to bring some pump-up gear of your own as a necessary precaution.
And be aware of the strict adherence to the ht/wt restrictions. Weigh in early if you find that you have to drop a bit of wt.
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If you do fail to meet the nt/wt requirements for CLASSIC Physique .... you may be able to switch over to plain old Physique .....
But be aware of 'uniform' change.
Here are the Men's Physique events .....
Unlimited with 6 ht classes
Masters 35+ with 2 ht classes
Teen with one ht class
Masters 40+ with 1 ht class
Novice with 3 ht classes
Who said bodybuilding is dead!?
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OK, But if we add Robert TIMMS (photo below) along with Calum Von Moger and Chris Bumstead (photo above - Thanks, REPS) .... I think we'd have the three top upcoming contenders within this new Classic division.
Feel free to add others if you feel that they would be major contenders within this group.
Timms was already in Olympia and did not do too well. Legs completely nonexistent. Going to have to make improvements. Looked quite a bit different on stage then in pictures. Unless he just had a bad showing.
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TRES!, Good luck in your forthcoming contest.That's usually a tough contest all around.
Keep us advised when you have the time to do so and how the event was run and managed .... all the good stuff and all the bad.
Jon always runs a good show so expect to have a good time and realize that the 'hurry up and wait' factor is not unusual in contests with a lot of entrants.
You may not be aware how small the back stage area of the War Memorial in Culver City is so be advised that the warm up area is pretty damn small and it may be worth your while to bring some pump-up gear of your own as a necessary precaution.
And be aware of the strict adherence to the ht/wt restrictions. Weigh in early if you find that you have to drop a bit of wt.
thank you for the heads up about the back stage stuff. I took 3rd 2x in AZ this year (Miles puts on awesome shows with tons of weights food)
yes man. the dudes at this event will bring the heat for sure.
I have some room with the scale I am fine. I am 6'2'' maybe 6'3' on a good day and I am under 225lbs
my lines, conditioning great posing gives me great confidence in myself. goal is nationals!
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pics?
I will get a few up soon.
Im 6'3'' around 215lbs stage weight
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MAZRIM, I don't think we've seen the last of TIMMS just yet. As I mentioned before .... I'll bet ya a dollar to a do-nut that TIMMS will be on the Olympia Expo stage competing against the likes of Bumstead and Von Moger this coming year or the next.
And he just might beat the both of them.
It would be good tho hear from WIGGS about this possible eventuality.
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I will get a few up soon.
Im 6'3'' around 215lbs stage weight
make sure theres one of you with an upside down cup.
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TREs, OK and thanks and good luck to ya.
I mentioned under another topic that the IFBB would most likely wish to maintain the vast numbers of new IFBB Pros each year as a good source of income, but many new IFBB Pros may not find it to their advantage to retain their IFBB Pro status unless some form of a 'CARROT' is offered that would encourage them to renew their $300.00 Pro Card each year.
That 'carrot' may possibly be new series of sanctioned IFBB Pro contests that would offer weight class divisions making it possible for these new Pros to compete against pros of similar size and possibly win cash awards which would seemingly be impossible with the way things are set up today .... other than the present day 212 division of course.
Lots of room for argument here .... but it's the only way that I can foresee the retention of the majority of these new pros within the IFBB.
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MAZRIM, I don't think we've seen the last of TIMMS just yet. As I mentioned before .... I'll bet ya a dollar to a do-nut that TIMMS will be on the Olympia Expo stage competing against the likes of Bumstead and Von Moger this coming year or the next.
And he just might beat the both of them.
It would be good tho hear from WIGGS about this possible eventuality.
I just like Timms athletic look the best - plus he is an Phoenix, AZ guy like myself
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TRES, Yea ... Timms and some of these other top physique contenders are like what most serious bodybuilders strived to look like way back before the popularity of 'mass muscledom' when roids were used .... but less frequently and on a smaller scale.
Which brings up another subject which some Getbiggers who follow physique and class competitions may have more knowledge of.
There seem to be a hell of a lot of social media individuals and expo booth participants who could dominate within any physique or classic event .... but fail to compete within the NPC/IFBB for a good number of reasons.
Take for instance Sergi Constance who appears to be unbeatable but only got a disappointing third or fourth place win within the NPC a few months back ... or so I have been told.
Some say that he is already at the top of his 'came' and doesn't need an NPC/IFBB first place victory to remain successful ....and anything less than 1st would be a detriment to his world wide standing.
There are probably many more individuals within a similar scenario such as (maybe ) Calum Von Moger and Chris Bumstead (time will tell) ... both of whom have large numbers of world wide followers and decent fitness related incomes, but may decide not to compete within the IFBB and risk a lower than expected placing.
It will be interesting to see where these new NPC/IFBB events (physique and classic) will take the best of them.
Some will fail to take advantage NPC/IFBB comps or simply feel that they don't need it to be successful within the game.
But looking back ....... there are many competitors who would be next to nothing today if it wasn't for a guy named Joe Weider.
He ain't here no more ... but the IFBB still is. And it's alive and kicking!
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TRES, Yea ... Timms and some of these other top physique contenders are like what most serious bodybuilders strived to look like way back before the popularity of 'mass muscledom' when roids were used .... but less frequently and on a smaller scale.
Which brings up another subject which some Getbiggers who follow physique and class competitions may have more knowledge of.
There seem to be a hell of a lot of social media individuals and expo booth participants who could dominate within any physique or classic event .... but fail to compete within the NPC/IFBB for a good number of reasons.
Take for instance Sergi Constance who appears to be unbeatable but only got a disappointing third or fourth place win within the NPC a few months back ... or so I have been told.
Some say that he is already at the top of his 'came' and doesn't need an NPC/IFBB first place victory to remain successful ....and anything less than 1st would be a detriment to his world wide standing.
There are probably many more individuals within a similar scenario such as (maybe ) Calum Von Moger and Chris Bumstead (time will tell) ... both of whom have large numbers of world wide followers and decent fitness related incomes, but may decide not to compete within the IFBB and risk a lower than expected placing.
It will be interesting to see where these new NPC/IFBB events (physique and classic) will take the best of them.
Some will fail to take advantage NPC/IFBB comps or simply feel that they don't need it to be successful within the game.
But looking back ....... there are many competitors who would be next to nothing today if it wasn't for a guy named Joe Weider.
He ain't here no more ... but the IFBB still is. And it's alive and kicking!
Apart from Arnold no one has made a transition from bodybuilding to the real world.
Joe Weider just created himself a huge pool of eager cock to satisfy his schmoism..
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BETHERE, Yep! If it wasn't for Weider Arnold would have never made that 'transition'.
And there are many others who are making a legit $100,000 plus a year due to Joe ..... And those are just the individuals who have signed supplement contracts but .... many, if not all, of the millionaire supplement company owners also owe a lot of gratitude to 'Uncle Joe' as well.
So you can hate .... but you can't discredit Joe for placing 'muscledonm' and everything related to 'muscledom' within the eyes of the sometimes 'unworthy' public.
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BETHERE, Yep! If it wasn't for Weider Arnold would have never made that 'transition'.
And there are many others who are making a legit $100,000 plus a year due to Joe ..... And those are just the individuals who have signed supplement contracts but .... many, if not all, of the millionaire supplement company owners also owe a lot of gratitude to 'Uncle Joe' as well.
So you can hate .... but you can't discredit Joe for placing 'muscledonm' and everything related to 'muscledom' within the eyes of the sometimes 'unworthy' public.
Bodybuilding always has and always will be a weird subculture.
Most people if you ask them what Mr Universe is they will tell you, now ask them what Mr Olympia is, most regular people dont have a clue.
And you say Weider has made it more mainstream?
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BETHERE,
I agree with ya that Bodybuilding always has and always will be a weird subculture, but before Uncle Joe came on the scene it was relatively "weirder" and almost non-existent.
But slowly and gradually he made it what it is today through his various magazines with just a couple of lies thrown in to the mix .... some of which were a bit questionable even by today's standards.
But he persisted where others failed or feared to tread ... enabling us present day fans and haters to question his reasons "why "... while others such as Dan Lauri, the Hoffman camp, and Perry and Mabel, etc. have drifted far from recollection.
(Our is not to reason why! Ours is but to lift and die!)
And I may be too damn dumb to argue this point but I am smart enough to disagree with ya concerning your belief that the Mr Universe is more well known than the Mr Olympia.
In my own mind ... that may be true but you may be wrong ....unless you reside on the other side of the planet from the good old USA.
But then again I may be dumber than I think I is so ... maybe this GetBig jury will decide.
Weider may not have made bodybuilding 'mainstream' .... but he did, in fact, make it what it is today!
Be that good or be that bad.... it's all within the mind of the beholder.
Aways good conversing with ya, BETHERE. THANKS!
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BETHERE,
I agree with ya that Bodybuilding always has and always will be a weird subculture, but before Uncle Joe came on the scene it was relatively "weirder" and almost non-existent.
But slowly and gradually he made it what it is today through his various magazines with just a couple of lies thrown in to the mix .... some of which were a bit questionable even by today's standards.
But he persisted where others failed or feared to tread ... enabling us present day fans and haters to question his reasons "why "... while others such as Dan Lauri, the Hoffman camp, and Perry and Mabel, etc. have drifted far from recollection.
(Our is not to reason why! Ours is but to lift and die!)
And I may be too damn dumb to argue this point but I am smart enough to disagree with ya concerning your belief that the Mr Universe is more well known than the Mr Olympia.
In my own mind ... that may be true but you may be wrong ....unless you reside on the other side of the planet from the good old USA.
But then again I may be dumber than I think I is so ... maybe this GetBig jury will decide.
Weider may not have made bodybuilding 'mainstream' .... but he did, in fact, make it what it is today!
Be that good or be that bad.... it's all within the mind of the beholder.
Aways good conversing with ya, BETHERE. THANKS!
Do you mean an endless line of bubble gutted monstrosities?
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Well in that case .... others were involved in that outcome. You can't blame the few for what turns out to be the many.
But it is hard to argue with you because way too many of today's pros could be referred to as 'bubble gutted monstrosities' but I more often used the much more politer term' ..... "Bulky Blunder"s with a bit of a respectful undertone because I know the shit that they had to go through to deserve it.
I hold no animosity towards those who do what they gotta do to be whom they wanna be.
But I don't wanna be a bubble gutted monstrosity nor a bulky blunder when there have been so many other options on that Olympia stage.
By the way... your feelings about some of today's Olympia contenders is the exact reason why there are physique and classic events promoted today!
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Well in that case .... others were involved in that outcome. You can't blame the few for what turns out to be the many.
But it is hard to argue with you because way too many of today's pros could be referred to as 'bubble gutted monstrosities' but I more often used the much more politer term' ..... "Bulky Blunder"s with a bit of a respectful undertone because I know the shit that they had to go through to deserve it.
I hold no animosity towards thous who do what they gotta do to be whom they wanna be.
But I don't wanna be a bubble gutted monstrosity nor a bulky blunder when there have been so many other options on that Olympia stage.
By the way... your feelings about some of today's Olympia contenders is the exact reason why there are physique and classic events promoted today!
Im pretty sure the judges will fuck that up by rewarding the bigger guys in those categories and as such lead us eventually back to the bubble bloaters.
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BETHERE, That is a distinct possibility but as long as they retain 'true' bodybuilding contests within the IFBB ... there will be a clear distinction between the 'true' bodybuilders (bulky blunders/bubble gutted monstrosities/and those who are more aesthetically pleasing) and those who choose to compete within the Physique or the Classic Physique events.
But if 'true' bodybuilding was to suddenly 'disappear' ... there may be a distinct possibliity that Physique and Classic winners may also become what we have up to now so politely called .... bulky blunders or bubble gutted monstrosities.
Some smart guy once said, "The more things change, the more they remain the same!"
And that sure as hell weren't Joe Weider.
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TRES, Yea ... Timms and some of these other top physique contenders are like what most serious bodybuilders strived to look like way back before the popularity of 'mass muscledom' when roids were used .... but less frequently and on a smaller scale.
Which brings up another subject which some Getbiggers who follow physique and class competitions may have more knowledge of.
There seem to be a hell of a lot of social media individuals and expo booth participants who could dominate within any physique or classic event .... but fail to compete within the NPC/IFBB for a good number of reasons.
Take for instance Sergi Constance who appears to be unbeatable but only got a disappointing third or fourth place win within the NPC a few months back ... or so I have been told.
Some say that he is already at the top of his 'came' and doesn't need an NPC/IFBB first place victory to remain successful ....and anything less than 1st would be a detriment to his world wide standing.
There are probably many more individuals within a similar scenario such as (maybe ) Calum Von Moger
1. sergi is better off not competing. it looks bad if he doesnt win everything.
2. I know of a few guys similar to that - great bodies, always look 2 weeks out but will never compete since if they do not win... it kills their "image"
3. Calum did work on the field on saturday
it appears the best classic bbers are guys who have dropped for 10-20 lbs for classic vs go the bbing route
the bodybuilding sub culture is a bizarre world. I think the classic and men's physique actually is good for the sport since many guys have legit careers and lives outside of the gym while the super heavy weight bber type guy is usually broke, living in a dump and eating out of rubber maid boxes 6x a week.
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TRES, Once again I gotta agree with most of what you said.
But I do know a good number of the 'athletes' who are often discussed on this GetBig Board and the majority of them are no where near broke nor destitute.
And I do agree that Sergi is better off by not competing within the IFBB simply because he doesn't need the IFBB to enhance his present worldwide reputation.
I'm not sure about Sergi's income but I do believe that he and Jaco are partners in an athlete clothing company of their own plus some involvement in a supplement company which I hear has been successful.
Ditto for Calum Von Moger who also has a huge internet following. He also has the type of personality and looks that would be worth pursuing a motion picture career.
And as I said earlier ... He might be competing against Canada's new IFBB pro .... Chris Bumstead ... on the Oly Expo stage real soon.... if not sooner.
And I am also not too surprised to see present day bodybuilders dropping weight and entering Classic or even possibly Physique once the prize money starts advancing.
I think we both agree on all this stuff so let's find something that you may want to argue over ......
Here's a start .... There are so damn many IFBB Pros now-a-days in all division who may not remain with the IFBB if the IFBB doesn't offer a 'carrot' each year to keep them in the fold and pay their early dues to remain there.
I think that that 'carrot' will be pro shows that will cater somehow to the smaller pros in the lighter wt classes who can't get as "big' as Flex Lewis or simply don't want to look like Jay Cutler, or Ronnie, or Phil, etc.
Is, or is not, the IFBB possibly considering something like this?
If not .... should they be?
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after competing against Calum and being in his class, he is a good dude.
Classic is basically becoming a small man's bodybuilder event
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Tres, How did you do in your most recent contest?
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I looked solid - I just need to improve all around (bit leaner/better posing/bigger)
I had a fucking blast of a time.
missed a top placing by 1 spot.
road trip from az to cali, went to the Patton Museum.
trained at golds' did some posing with World Will Harris
hung out at in Venice
saw arnold at golds - sunday morning he goes
went to some cool artsy spots in LA
posed my ass off, competed against some bad ass dudes
then drove to the OC, on PCH - pigged out on food
stayed at the W in San Diego, then road tripped back
i only 1 contest pic since my friend sucks at pics but I paid for the professional pic service
I plan to compete in 4 shows next year (2 in july and 2 more in NOV)
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6'3'' 211lbs on stage
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6'3'' 211lbs on stage
Why are you squatting down like a dog dropping a log? Stand up to show your height! A superb physique marred by squatty manlet posing. You are better than this. You know...Show them...Show them the whole thing...
And no. I am not joking. Stand up straight. You're not a midget.
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arnold! TMZ SHOT
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decided ill compete 4 times in 2017 - any other classis bbers here?