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Jesus, dead of a heart attack at 35, sad news. Hearts go out to his wife and daughter and his family
TA please refrain with your dribble in blue about oh well he is not gonna write beethovens 9th symphony
(http://www.nxlabs.com/advice/wp-content/themes/nxlabs/images/authors/jasonwerechuk.jpg)
WERECHUK, Jason Lee Suddenly in Mississauga, on Wednesday, May 12, 2010. Jay (Dubbs) Werechuk of Mississauga, formerly of Erin, in his 36th year. Beloved husband of Gabriella Defusco. Loving father of Ashley. Cherished son of Gary Werechuk (Donna) of Brampton and Christine Bond (Jim) of Wiberforce. Dear brother of Jennifer, Breanne, and James. Survived by his uncle Jeffrey Bond. Jay will be sadly missed by his extended family and many friends. Resting at the BUTCHER FAMILY FUNERAL HOME , 5399 Main Street South, Erin, where the Funeral Service will be held Monday, May 17th at 2:00 p.m. Visitation on Sunday, May 16, from 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. If desired donations to the Heart and Stroke Foundation would be appreciated as expressions of sympathy.
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Bodybuilding lifestyle = unhealthy.
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damn, very sad
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not surprised
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It's better to be healthy and have a little less muscle.
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It's better to be healthy alive and have a little less muscle.
fixed
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Now Jesus can also admire his muscles.
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Now Jesus can also admire his muscles.
Jesus was a 5 foot tall little brown man with a nappy afro.
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35...that is just...cruel. I recently became a dad and this just seems so damn cruel for his kids. This is sad.
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RIP
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Jesus, dead of a heart attack at 35, sad news. Hearts go out to his wife and daughter and his family
TA please refrain with your dribble in blue about oh well he is not gonna write beethovens 9th symphony
(http://www.nxlabs.com/advice/wp-content/themes/nxlabs/images/authors/jasonwerechuk.jpg)
WERECHUK, Jason Lee Suddenly in Mississauga, on Wednesday, May 12, 2010. Jay (Dubbs) Werechuk of Mississauga, formerly of Erin, in his 36th year. Beloved husband of Gabriella Defusco. Loving father of Ashley. Cherished son of Gary Werechuk (Donna) of Brampton and Christine Bond (Jim) of Wiberforce. Dear brother of Jennifer, Breanne, and James. Survived by his uncle Jeffrey Bond. Jay will be sadly missed by his extended family and many friends. Resting at the BUTCHER FAMILY FUNERAL HOME , 5399 Main Street South, Erin, where the Funeral Service will be held Monday, May 17th at 2:00 p.m. Visitation on Sunday, May 16, from 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. If desired donations to the Heart and Stroke Foundation would be appreciated as expressions of sympathy.
So It was genetic?
If not, wouldn't donations to the Anti-performance Enhancers Foundation be more suitable?
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So It was genetic?
If not, wouldn't donations to the Anti-performance Enhancers Foundation be more suitable?
Yeah no shit. No disrespect to the guy but i'm also wondering if he was one of those guys who abused gear and ate pounds of red meat every day. Never ate fruits. Megadosed on test, etc.
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Heart disease is the number one cause of death for adults. I am pretty sure the % of bodybuilders who die of heart disease is not any greather than the general population.
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He died for you bitches! :'(
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Heart disease is the number one cause of death for adults. I am pretty sure the % of bodybuilders who die of heart disease is not any greather than the general population.
Why so sure? The drugs definitely change your lipid profile which increases your risk. So why you pretty sure genius?
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Heart disease is the number one cause of death for adults. I am pretty sure the % of bodybuilders who die of heart disease is not any greather than the general population.
So bbers are as healthly as couch potatoes? Great
Avg people that eat right and go to the gym and not abused drugs are healthier then bbers.
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hydroxycut hardcore.
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Why so sure? The drugs definitely change your lipid profile which increases your risk. So why you pretty sure genius?
Show me the stats that say otherwise.
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So bbers are as healthly as couch potatoes? Great
Avg people that eat right and go to the gym and not abused drugs are healthier then bbers.
I'm not saying that, but, you guys expect every bodybuilder to be immune to everything and live to see 100, or the excuse is all steroids - unfounded excuses.
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Show me the stats that say otherwise.
you made the assertion genius...are you retarded or just really stupid?
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Too much gear, not enough broccoli :(
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So It was genetic?
If not, wouldn't donations to the Anti-performance Enhancers Foundation be more suitable?
ALWAYS genetic!! never ever ever EVER the steroids fault at all!!!
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you made the assertion genius...are you retarded or just really stupid?
I'd say a little stupid for wasting my time with you. :)
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I'd say a little stupid for wasting my time with you. :)
so you admit that you are just making shit up when you say you are "pretty sure"...now go do your home work boy
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Shit like that makes you wonder if BBing is really worth it
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Steroids .... its worth it
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Shit like that makes you wonder if BBing is really worth it
mike...you are an adult and know what goes on and what you need to do and you still have doubts about whether it is "really worth it"? seriously?
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Shit like that makes you wonder if BBing is really worth it
You don't need to be a nazi rocket scientist to figure that shit out for yourself.
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a little respect here.....the man had a family.
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So It was genetic?
If not, wouldn't donations to the Anti-performance Enhancers Foundation be more suitable?
Two words: Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
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a little respect here.....the man had a family.
so its okay to be disrespectful to somebody who leaves no family behind?
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mike...you are an adult and know what goes on and what you need to do and you still have doubts about whether it is "really worth it"? seriously?
I question it all the time. I try to be sensible about shit, but when its your time to go its your time.
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a little respect here.....the man had a family.
Had? Did the family die because of steroids too?
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Had? Did the family die because of steroids too?
had because hes dead - hope that helps
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Steriods or not...Everyone doesn't get to chose their day...RIP
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Well... at least he won't be missing Dio.
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The Heart is not an organ to mess with.
It is not strong or durable by any means.
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Shit like that makes you wonder if BBing is really worth it
Not really. Bodybuilding is healthy if done naturally and reasonably.
It's those who take it to the extreme with drugs and crazy weights that suffer the consequences.
RIP
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Pretty sad. He probably felt invincible with his muscles but didn't realize he may have looked good on the outside he was dying on the inside.
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Pretty sad. He probably felt invincible with his muscles but didn't realize he may have looked good on the outside he was dying on the inside.
His daughter is young too. Just a sad story, my heart is heavy
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Guess he didn't pay attention to that "Warning: Do Not Exceed Recommended Dosage. Ever." label on the muscletech product. :o
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Jesus, dead of a heart attack at 35, sad news. Hearts go out to his wife and daughter and his family
TA please refrain with your dribble in blue about oh well he is not gonna write beethovens 9th symphony
(http://www.nxlabs.com/advice/wp-content/themes/nxlabs/images/authors/jasonwerechuk.jpg)
WERECHUK, Jason Lee Suddenly in Mississauga, on Wednesday, May 12, 2010. Jay (Dubbs) Werechuk of Mississauga, formerly of Erin, in his 36th year. Beloved husband of Gabriella Defusco. Loving father of Ashley. Cherished son of Gary Werechuk (Donna) of Brampton and Christine Bond (Jim) of Wiberforce. Dear brother of Jennifer, Breanne, and James. Survived by his uncle Jeffrey Bond. Jay will be sadly missed by his extended family and many friends. Resting at the BUTCHER FAMILY FUNERAL HOME , 5399 Main Street South, Erin, where the Funeral Service will be held Monday, May 17th at 2:00 p.m. Visitation on Sunday, May 16, from 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. If desired donations to the Heart and Stroke Foundation would be appreciated as expressions of sympathy.
Yeah, now let's just wait for FLEX and the other magazines to claim he had a "congenital" heart defect that made him die in his mid thirties. Every time a bodybuilder dies before age 40, the mags claim it is congenital: congenital heart defect, congenital liver defect, congenital kidney defect. It never has anything to do with steroids, GH and other drugs they take. It is purely a coincidence that steroids cause heart, kidney and liver damage and that they died of heart, liver and kidney failure.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It's those who take it to the extreme with drugs and crazy weights that suffer the consequences.
The light that burns twice as bright lasts half as long
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You don't need to be a nazi rocket scientist to figure that shit out for yourself.
I had no idea the nazi's built rockets. News to me.
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Oh well, he wasn't going to write Beethoven's 9th symphony anyway.
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I had no idea the nazi's built rockets. News to me.
For your sake I hope you are joking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2
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Yeah, now let's just wait for FLEX and the other magazines to claim he had a "congenital" heart defect that made him die in his mid thirties. Every time a bodybuilder dies before age 40, the mags claim it is congenital: congenital heart defect, congenital liver defect, congenital kidney defect. It never has anything to do with steroids, GH and other drugs they take. It is purely a coincidence that steroids cause heart, kidney and liver damage and that they died of heart, liver and kidney failure.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Steroids can aggravate or worsen a predisposed problem. Congenital problems exist with the population and why shouldn't it not exist in the BB community in small percent? Why are they exempt?
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no. question is: are the drugs worth it?
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Steroids can aggravate or worsen a predisposed problem. Congenital problems exist with the population and why shouldn't it not exist in the BB community in small percent? Why are they exempt?
steroids are only the finish touch
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Had? Did the family die because of steroids too?
He doesn't have the family anymore since he is dead.
He cannot have anything anymore.
You understand now?
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Will the media blame Muscle Tech for his death and thus smear Muscle Tech beyond repair?
Or will the media blame steroids for his death and thus, kill future sales by alerting everyone that Muscle Tech isn't all that if their users have to take drugs too?
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(http://www.wackypackages.org/realproductsscans/2004/jk/advil_small.jpg)
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Will the media blame Muscle Tech for his death and thus smear Muscle Tech beyond repair?
Or will the media blame steroids for his death and thus, kill future sales by alerting everyone that Muscle Tech isn't all that if their users have to take drugs too?
I don't think the national media will give a shit enough about his death to blame anything...
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Will the media blame Muscle Tech for his death and thus smear Muscle Tech beyond repair?
Or will the media blame steroids for his death and thus, kill future sales by alerting everyone that Muscle Tech isn't all that if their users have to take drugs too?
What "media"?
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Steroids can aggravate or worsen a predisposed problem. Congenital problems exist with the population and why shouldn't it not exist in the BB community in small percent? Why are they exempt?
Because the percentage of the population with congenital heart, liver and kidney problems is small, and the number of professional bodybuilders is very small, so it is extremely unlikely that so many professional bodybuilders would have congenital heart, kidney and liver problems. It is important to emphasize the word extremely. And your argument that steroids merely aggravate a pre-existing condition is ridiculous.
Why is it that so many long term steroid users suffer from artherosclerosis and liver damage in their mid thirties without ever having a congenital condition? Riddle me that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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What "media"?
The one that covers this "sport"
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Will the media blame Muscle Tech for his death and thus smear Muscle Tech beyond repair?
Or will the media blame steroids for his death and thus, kill future sales by alerting everyone that Muscle Tech isn't all that if their users have to take drugs too?
Why? Jason hadn't worked at MuscleTech for 5 years (2002-2005). He spent a more of his supplement career with another supplement company.
Check his myspace profile or Linkedin to confirm....
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The one that covers this "sport"
He was Canadian, so American media won't give a rat's ass about it.
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Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
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How much red meat would ya'll say is cool to eat daily? I am dieting and get exactly 1/2 pound. 97% lean, I cook with no salt.
Also wouldn't ya'll see more top pro's keeling over? I mean, they are on mega mega doses for years at a time. Possibly they just take more ancillaries to help out or better genes or what? Seems the more competitive guys do alright. More cardio from all the shows???
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Steriods or not...Everyone doesn't get to chose their day...RIP
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He doesn't have the family anymore since he is dead.
Whose family is it then? Or do they have a replacement daddy picked already?
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He lived close to me, I remember seeing him around (clubs and stuff as well)
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Shit like that makes you wonder if BBing is really worth it
Joe is watching.
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I can not believe the people here who continue to deny the effects of steroid abuse.
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I can not believe the people here who continue to deny the effects of steroid abuse.
It's the same syndrome of people sanctifying the dead even though they were assholes all their lives , the moment they're dead they become such great people
if the guy took roids , you live by the sword you die by the sword
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Bodybuilding drugs are a health risk. Only a fool who use rationalization would argue they're a minor factor. You can smoke for 25 years and not have heart disease or cancer but who would argue that they are not a health risk for these two deadly diseases?
The drug using bodybuilding sub culture is a small group. The amount of major health problems of the major stars is a glaring light in the face of users yet they deny.
Yes, there are no large scale studies of bodybuilder's health and drug use to point to. What researcher would give a damm about 15 pros and 70 ex pros?
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What is incredible to me are the people who believe that all these bodybuilders are dying from congenital(genetically inherited) heart, kidney and liver problems, when you take into consideration that the number of bodybuilders with heart, liver and kidney problems is vastly superior to that of the general population for their age range. That is, if 0.2% of people in their thirties suffer from artherosclerosis and if there are 10 professional bodybuilders in their thirties with artherosclerosis out of a total of 100 professional bodybuilders in this age range, then this means that professional bodybuilders in their thirties suffer from artherosclerosis in a rate that is 50 times superior to the general population in this age range! If it were congenital, then professional bodybuilders should have a rate of artherosclerosis proportional to what the general population has. In fact, they should have a rate of artherosclerosis that is lower than that of the general population since bodybuilders eat low fat diets and exercise. Congenital my asshole! Obviously, there is some variable that explains the vastly superior rate of artherosclerosis among bodybuilders and that is steroids which are known to cause artherosclerosis by decreasing levels of HDL and increasing the synthesis of LDL in the liver.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'm not saying that, but, you guys expect every bodybuilder to be immune to everything and live to see 100, or the excuse is all steroids - unfounded excuses.
no, just made it to the age normal out of shape men live too. Hell how about just 50? ::) ::)
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Yes, of course there are some people who deny the possible health effects of steroid use which is ignorant. However there are many more people "especially on this board" that overexaggerate the health effects of steroid use which is also ignorant.
Could steroid use have contributed to his heart attack? Yes it could have, just as it could have had nothing to do with it. Anyone guessing either way is just speculating.
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Because the percentage of the population with congenital heart, liver and kidney problems is small, and the number of professional bodybuilders is very small, so it is extremely unlikely that so many professional bodybuilders would have congenital heart, kidney and liver problems. It is important to emphasize the word extremely. And your argument that steroids merely aggravate a pre-existing condition is ridiculous.
Why is it that so many long term steroid users suffer from artherosclerosis and liver damage in their mid thirties without ever having a congenital condition? Riddle me that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
In all fairness.... I would speculate that most of the bodybuilders that have died due to heart complications from severe steroid abuse, have indeed had genetic predispositions towards such problems in the first place. Only it probably wouldn't have manifested itself until way later in life, (assuming something else didn't kill them first).
It is probably a moot point, because the steroid abuse surely aggravated and accelerated whatever was going on to begin with, and we shouldn't downplay its role in it.
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What was his role with Muscle Tech?
What I immediately thought was that there could be other substances involved, as it often does when it comes to sudden death.
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What was his role with Muscle Tech?
What I immediately thought was that there could be other substances involved, as it often does when it comes to sudden death.
That brings up a great point. It is very likely he could have been abusing recreational drugs, and painkillers as well.
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In all fairness.... I would speculate that most of the bodybuilders that have died due to heart complications from severe steroid abuse, have indeed had genetic predispositions towards such problems in the first place. Only it probably wouldn't have manifested itself until way later in life, (assuming something else didn't kill them first).
It is probably a moot point, because the steroid abuse surely aggravated and accelerated whatever was going on to begin with, and we shouldn't downplay its role in it.
The argument that all these guys suffered from congenital heart, kidney and liver problems is ridiculous. In the general population, all people who have these problems in their thirties combined is less than one percent of the general population, and yet among professional bodybuilders in their thirties the rate is like 10% or more. Explain this discrepancy? Steroids don't need one to have a congenital defect to cause heart, liver and kidney problems. This is even more when you consider that professional bodybuilders in their thirties have been using steroids nonstop for more than a decade.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Well, at least those big muscles will make a lot of flowers pop up out of the ground when they rot into the soil.
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there are a lot of things that can cause heart ailments, not related to steroids.
being too heavy 365 days a year.
not s;leeping. living with too much stress.
having heart disease in late 30s from genetics.
rec drugs. the use of ECA 365 days a year.
the consumption of high high fat, cholesterol, etc.
Not saying this guy had any of that. Just for the sake of discussion. This guy was huge, and its none of our business what he did or used. But completely blaming steroids, when BBing lifestyle alone is enough to introduce a lot of heart stressors...
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To young...way to young :'(
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not for nothing but humans aint nothing but animals with limited lifespans (much like other animals like dogs and cats)
34 is around the age all of us should die, actually
it's the hospitals, healthly living and meds that have extended our lives
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not for nothing but humans aint nothing but animals with limited lifespans (much like other animals like dogs and cats)
34 is around the age all of us should die, actually
it's the hospitals, healthly living and meds that have extended our lives
Your near that age.....Do you want your life to end in a few years???
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there are a lot of things that can cause heart ailments, not related to steroids.
being too heavy 365 days a year.
not s;leeping. living with too much stress.
having heart disease in late 30s from genetics.
rec drugs. the use of ECA 365 days a year.
the consumption of high high fat, cholesterol, etc.
Not saying this guy had any of that. Just for the sake of discussion. This guy was huge, and its none of our business what he did or used. But completely blaming steroids, when BBing lifestyle alone is enough to introduce a lot of heart stressors...
Your points are irrelevant because putting everything together, professional bodybuilders still have a much higher rate of artherosclerosis and kidney and liver problems in their thirties than the general public at this age category has ok.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Your near that age.....Do you want your life to end in a few years???
it depends on if i foresee myself having sex with a white chic within the next 3 years
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it depends on if i foresee myself having sex with a white chic within the next 3 years
White chicks will leave the white race and only assume anything brown is husband material....
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not for nothing but humans aint nothing but animals with limited lifespans (much like other animals like dogs and cats)
Captain obvious.
34 is around the age all of us should die, actually
it's the hospitals, healthly living and meds that have extended our lives
Huh, excuse me? What? For your theory to be right, no one without access to modern medicine should live past 34, and yet the longest living peoples on Earth, like the Hunza and the Ukranians, actually live longer than most Americans despite having far more primitive medicine. The actual Human life expectancy has been determined to be 150 years. That is the longest the toughest Human would live without medicine if he lived a life free of all nasty vices and had the luck of never conracting any infections or serious illnesses lol
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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White chicks will leave the white race and only assume anything brown is husband material....
"brown"?......check
"marriage material"?................no
JNN dead by 34 or lying to alot of girls named "Kimber" about how she "completes me"
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"brown"?......check
"marriage material"?................no
JNN dead by 34 or lying to alot of girls named "Kimber" about how she "completes me"
Hahaha...Play your spanish side...It will serve you in the next decade....
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Captain obvious.
Huh, excuse me? What? For your theory to be right, no one without access to modern medicine should live past 34, and yet the longest living peoples on Earth, like the Hunza and the Ukranians, actually live longer than most Americans despite having far more primitive medicine. The actual Human life expectancy has been determined to be 150 years. That is the longest the toughest Human would live without medicine if he lived a life free of all nasty vices and had the luck of never conracting any infections or serious illnesses lol
SUCKMYMUSCLE
i still think liking past 35 is against God's will
(/don't take that last statement seriously- i'm being facetious)
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I hate how when someone dies people act like we are all supposed to act all serious about it.
Whatever, we all die. It's just a natural part of his world. There's no reason to be afraid of it.
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I hate how when someone dies people act like we are all supposed to act all serious about it.
Whatever, we all die. It's just a natural part of his world. There's no reason to be afraid of it.
Don't worry when you die no one will give it a second thought....
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Don't worry when you die no one will give it a second thought....
If I know the person then it makes me sad to see them die.
But if I don't know them then why sould I care? Tens of thousands of people are born and die everyday.
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35...that is just...cruel. I recently became a dad and this just seems so damn cruel for his kids. This is sad.
Not good for his kids but he made some unwise choices for a family-man, IMHO.
Same age as me.
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Not good for his kids but he made some unwise choices for a family-man, IMHO.
Same age as me.
alot of people do.
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alot of people do.
No doubt including me. But when I got married and had a son, I continue to try and minimize those bad choices. That's all playing the numbers game
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No doubt including me. But when I got married and had a son, I continue to try and minimize those bad choices. That's all playing the numbers game
oh absolutely. Its a whole different ball of wax after kids come into the picture
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oh absolutely. Its a whole different ball of wax after kids come into the picture
If I had a child I would agree...For I cannot let a future God left without every human luxury....
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Your points are irrelevant because putting everything together, professional bodybuilders still have a much higher rate of artherosclerosis and kidney and liver problems in their thirties than the general public at this age category has ok.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
doison and others are patiently waiting for you to reply to his question in this thread, mr. "heterotic string theory". i have noticed you are conveniently not posting in it. just a friendly reminder.
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not for nothing but humans aint nothing but animals with limited lifespans (much like other animals like dogs and cats)
34 is around the age all of us should die, actually
it's the hospitals, healthly living and meds that have extended our lives
(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-4/logans-run-michael-yorke.jpg)
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(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-4/logans-run-michael-yorke.jpg)
this is a very smart movie/agrees with what i said
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this is a very smart movie/agrees with what i said
let me know when you hit 34, so i can film it. ;)
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Yes, there are no large scale studies of bodybuilder's health and drug use to point to. What researcher would give a damm about 15 pros and 70 ex pros?
Then you can't really justify your dogmatic stance.
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Your points are irrelevant because putting everything together, professional bodybuilders still have a much higher rate of artherosclerosis and kidney and liver problems in their thirties than the general public at this age category has ok.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What he said is completely relevant. You hear the death of someone and just make assumptions. I'm sure in your next long winded post, you're gonna tell me about your PHD autopsy hobby you do on the side.
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The dude was doing tons of gear and eating otns of meat obviously.
He was perhaps doing lots of stimulants like coke and speed.
He was really heavy, the heart doesn't like that.
You can tell by his picture that he was playing with fire, and he got burned.
If you saw a heroin junkie died from an H-overdose you would probably say "Oh well that's his own fuckin fault. That's what he gets for fucking with H." It's funny how you all are treating this guy differently.