Good lord, but you are such an idiot.
Where is the thread people who have become muslim? Are Christians feeling intimidated to see thousands of sincere converts to Islam? No need to merge threads or delete threads, let it be.
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92-year-old Georgette Lepaulle from Berchem (Belgium) is the oldest Muslim revert in the world.
Never to late to become Muslim. All the sin she had gathered up for 92 years is forgiven
I must not lie. You are an idiot and the sad part is you are aware of this and do not care. Keep up wih the rote sayings.
I have volunteered to be banned from here along with all of you Muslim scum. It is a sacrifice that I will happily accept to keep you from vomiting your filth here. ;D
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In addition, about 60 anti-Islam posts were deleted across multiple threads today.
LOL! E-kul I thought you were an atheist? You post CBN and christian missionary get together videos now? LOL! Funny guy!
CBN is as reliable as the onion news. At least Onion news is funny :)
^The difference is the deen show is a muslim talk show where people who have become muslim talk about how they became muslim, their journey and reasoning, etc... as one can attest to seeing it, many educated christians in religion and the worldly sense. Even people who went to seminaries and have touched biblical scriptures with their hands which you haven't.
CBN on the other hand is mixed bag of all sorts of stuff including articles and stories which were proven fraudulent stories, fake stories, lies, etc... hence two totally different and incomparable things.
Plus they have Pat Robertson HAHA... a guy so deluded and lost on just about everything and of course Islam because "ISLAMMZZZ OF THE DEVILLL" yup!
Any idiot who goes around saying we Muslims do not worship the God of Abraham is as credible as santa clause. When Jews themselves recognize that we worship the God of Abraham. The one and only God, creator of all mankind and all of creation.
I'll respond to your post later :)
ahmed, from your seat, I think it's fairly clear that the gist of the matter is if you post something it's "undeniably rock solid and completely legitimate" and if I post something it's "nonsensical crap with more holes than Swiss cheese". You're not willing to accept that you don't always have the correct information and will not accept valid corrections; in essence, you're never wrong. The majority of folks that share that view are typically kids and egomaniacs. I'm fairly certain now that Groink had you pegged awhile back when he said "you're just a young know-it-all full of piss and vinegar". I've given you the benefit of the doubt for months, but that time has passed. There's absolutely no way to have a healthy discussion or share our faiths appropriately with that mindset. The discussions are only "friendly" if the audience agrees with every word you post. See, I know you and bigbobs and true all believe the same, but bigbobs and true are rational in their approach. I can talk to those fellas even if we completely disagree, but disagree with you.....LOL.....the discussion is over before it begins.
That won't work on this board.
Still, I will also work to keep the anti-Islam posts and threads in check...if it's outright insults and degrading remarks towards Muslims (not just a simple difference of opinion mind you) I will eliminate that completely....it absolutely goes both ways.
Okay :)
I know you don't like the answer but there is a big difference btween what you're posting and what we're posting as far as comparing the deen show and CBN.
The deen show is literally a talk show where people talk about why, when and how they became Muslim. They come from a variety of backgrounds not necessarily christian even.
There have been a few that I posted which included people with doctorates in divinity, people who studied in seminaries, held high positions in preaching circles, churches, had a reputation.
However, it is merely a talk show of people talking about them becoming Muslim.
CBN on the other hand is the 'christian broadcasting network'. It is not merely a talk show. If anything Pat Robertson's 'club' is a more constructive comparison. AND AGAIN they are NOTHING alike. Pat uses lies and hate to bash Islam. Deen show does not bash christianity or christians. It's an open and sincere dialog.
CBN is also a 'news website', it has articles, various sections, etc... I first was introduced to this website by a friend who was trying to 'convert me back' from islam lol.. and tried to show me the 'lies of islam'.
He even pointed me to some articles on CBN which had comic strips explaining what Islam is about. Totally idiotic and filled with lies.
Then there's pat robertson... who we all know.
Then there's the various fraudulent articles on there which are not out to seek the truth or have balance or have discussion but no matter than some things certain fellas on here you agree are anti-islam bashing and not actually seeking information or discussion.
Hence, the two are NOT comparable :) Whether you like the answer or not. You can poke fun at me all you want and name me names and give me labels but these are the facts.
A person such as pat robertson or anyone associating with them loses all their credibility when the jest of his whole arguments is that we are 'devil worshipers' and idolators (lol!) and that we don't worship the same God of Abraham.
Ironically Jews acknowledge that we worship the God of Abraham. I mean it only takes a LITTLE bit of reading of the qur'an to realize all that. So... such a hate filled, lie filled source is hardly credible.
That is all. Like it or hate it.
In contrast deen show, for example that dude who has a doctor of divinity and studied in seminaries, knows koine greek, etc... etc... He was/is a scholar who was legitimately studied the scriptures in detail. He is not out to sway people into anything but is presenting the authentic information. Take it or leave it.
Pat Robertson? A scholar? Hardly.
Well our religion is different than Christianity. We do not compromise in our religion and it is of principle. We don't change our religion just because people don't like something or because time goes by. Because God knows best. If you don't like some of it we don't compromise on it and we do have an answer for everything in our religion.Are you honestly proud of this?
Truth and falsehood are not equal. A website that propagates lies but claims its truth to people is unreliable.
Are you honestly proud of this?
So, you grown men should sleep with 13 year old girls?
1. the true age of the prophets last wife is unknown and there is no 100% answere to my knowlage.You were just bragging how Islam doesn't change to fit the times.
2. some people say she was as old as 18-19.
3. lets say for the sake of arugment she was 13. remember this is 1400 years ago! things were diffrent ALL OVER the world. 1000s of years ago the age people got married was FAR younger then today.
You were just bragging how Islam doesn't change to fit the times.
Pick a side.
ofcourse islam dosent change to fit the times. A good example is the current gay & lesbain issue going on here in the states. even if same-sex marriage becomes LEGAL in ALL states(which might happen with the way things are currently going!) in islamic law it is still ILLEGAL(as it is in ALL major religions). you dont change just becuase everyone around you is doing it. get it?Are you pro or anti-slavery?
but in issues of marriage there is no "age of marriage" were a man must be married by. An American Muslim will get married at a diffrent age then a African Muslim whom then will get married at a different age then an Chinese Muslim. that is a matter of culture, not religion.
Are you pro or anti-slavery?
Rules for slavery regarding Israel in the OT had nothing to do with the antebellum South or the slavery they were delivered from in Egypt. Two entirely different things....one was forced (antebellum South and Egypt) and the other was voluntary/customary for debt payment (Israel). One was about inhumanity (antebellum South and Egypt) and one was about the preservation of humanity and rights of the servant/slave while working off individual or family debt (Israel). The word "slave" is always incorrecty associated with the antebellum South...just not the case for OT Israel. I could on, but I'll stop for now.
Are you honestly proud of this?
So, you grown men should sleep with 13 year old girls?
I'm pro-slavery fo sho! Gots me a couple of 3-yr old Jewish girls working my land right now! They'll toil alright, but have no fear because food, water and rest are all coming for 12 minutes on Friday!! I'ma gonna work them until they DIE!!! WHY? Because, " :D.....the bible tells me soooo!" The KING JAMES "KICK YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL" BIBLE!! AHHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! >:( >:(
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!! >:( >:(
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!! >:( >:(
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We've discussed this briefly before:
The rules for "slavery" in the bible were about the preservation of humanity and dignity of bond servants working off debt for their families or the "slave" individually. Many slaves/bond servants ended up staying with the very owner/family they worked for after their debts were satisfied because they chose to. Many became full-time hands on the owners land receiving a normal wage. These folks weren't "picking the cotton on Massah's plantation" and then gettin beaten and raped in the evenings.....no, no, no...that's simple ignorance.
I know you have serious issues with slavery in the bible, but the "issue of slavery" doesn't carry the negative connotation you force fit onto it. You need to understand the culture and history of the Israelites....they were delievered from forced "work til you die" slavery in Egypt. Our God that freed them didn't turn around and say, "Ok, now y'all go ahead and enslave others in the same manner you were just freed from".
I suggest you read a copy of Paul Copan's "Is God a Moral Monster?".
:o :o I wouldnt expect a post like this from MOS. LOL!LOL, well sometimes I blow off steam too!
Hana Tajima converted to Islam when she was 17. Frustrated by the lack of variety in Islamic clothing for converts she founded Maysaa, a fashion house that designs western-inspired clothing that conforms to hijab. Â ”It’s true that I never decided to convert to Islam, nor was there a defining moment where I realised I wanted to be Muslim. Â My family aren’t particularly religious. Â I was interested in religion, but very disinterested in how it related to my life. Â I grew up in rural Devon where my Japanese father was the ethnic diversity of the village. Â It wasn’t until I studied at college that I met people who weren’t of the exact same background, into Jeff Buckley, underground hip-hop, drinking, and getting high. Â
I met and became friends with a few Muslims in college, and was slightly affronted and curious at their lack of wanting to go out to clubs or socialise in that sense. Â I think it was just the shock of it, like, how can you not want to go out, in this day and age.
“It was at about that time that I started to study philosophy, and without sounding too much like I dyed my hair black and wore my fringe in front of my face, I began to get confused about my life. I was pretty popular, had good friends, boyfriends, I had everything I was supposed to have, but still I felt like ‘is that it?’ Â So these things all happened simultaneously, I read more about religion, learned more about friends of other backgrounds, had a quarter life crisis. Â There were things that drew me to Islam in particular, it wasn’t like I was reaching for whatever was there. Â The fact that the Qur’an is the same now as it ever was means there’s always a reference point. The issues of women’s rights were shockingly contemporary.
The more I read, the more I found myself agreeing with the ideas behind it and I could see why Islam coloured the lives of my Muslim friends. Â It made sense, really, I didn’t and still don’t want to be Muslim, but there came a point where I couldn’t say that I wasn’t Muslim.
“Telling my family was the easy part. Â I knew they’d be happy as long as I was happy, and they could see that it was an incredibly positive thing. Â My friends went one of two ways, met with a lack of any reaction and lost to the social scene, or interested and supportive. Â More the former, less the latter.”
A US technology engineer in Saudi Arabia converted to Islam, saying he was impressed by the way people kissed the head of their seniors.
Stuart Elby, 33, a robot engineer at the German Siemens company in the Gulf kingdom, named himself Omar and went to the mosque in Riyadh on Friday with Saudi friends and some members of a government Islamic guidance centre.
“He prayed with them at the mosque for the first time after they showed him how to pray…he asked many questions and appeared impressed when he saw that people were kissing the forehead of their seniors,”
Sabq daily said.
It said friends told him that the kiss signifies respect for the elderly and that lifting the witness finger while praying refers to the “oneness of God,”
Bringing a Friend to Christianity Led Me to Islam
It's the most logical doctrine you won't find in any other religion::
My name is Rasheed. I'm from Florida, in the United States. I’m twenty four years old.
I came to Islam in December ...of 2004, so I was seventeen at the time.
Currently I work as an optical lab technician.
I want to tell my story of how I came to Islam, and maybe give some advice to people who are trying to find their path In-Shaa-Allah.
Generally I was like a church kid, I was raised in the Southern Baptist church. I went to church very frequently; Bible studies and services, so I knew my Bible. I was not very knowledgeable, but knowledgeable enough for a kid of thirteen to seventeen years when I'd really gone into it.
Before converting, I was a very strong believer in the Trinitarian Christian faith, as I was a Southern Baptist, and I was very firm in this faith. I didn’t know much about Islam to have an opinion. I think that was a kind of self-imposed ignorance because of how the media portrays Islam. So I didn’t want to go there, as I was afraid of what I might learn. So I thought whatever the news told me basically.
I didn’t know much about Islam, but I had actually done my fair share of homework on Buddhism, Hinduism, and that was based on pure curiosity and interest in Eastern cultures. Having been brought up in the Christian faith, going to Bible studies you get a kind of cursory basic information about Judaism because the Old Testament is incorporated into the Bible. So, I knew a little bit about Judaism, basic tenents of Hinduism and Buddhism, Taoism not much, Shinto a little. So the major religions I did look a little into the basics at first.
I never went on like a journey to find the truth because being raised in the church as firmly as I had been I always assumed that I was upon it already. So what actually happened was that there was another revert brother that I went to school with, we were pretty good friends at the time. But having been raised in this Christian environment, and finding out that he had left the faith that I loved so much, I was personally offended that he chose to leave it. So I took it upon myself as kind of like a crusade to bring him back to the church, witnessed to him and all this kind of thing, but without knowing anything about his religion.
I tried my best, and through that what I had to do is finally research about Islam on my own, and through asking him also, as we would have various kinds of debates on doctrinal issues. So we discussed, and he would teach me this aspect of Islam and this aspect, and what do I say to that now because I did not know that before, as it made sense to me, and I had nothing to say. So as this went on, actually my mission to bring him out of Islam led me to Islam, Alhamdulillah.
Yes, I didn’t go on a search for truth as some people do. But I guess Allah guided me in the way that He did, Alhamdulillah.
Life After Islam
I can be totally honest and say my life hasn’t really changed that much because of how I was raised, like going to church a lot. My lifestyle per se didn’t change very much. I just picked up the few extra prayers per day and stopped eating pork. I didn’t indulge in alcohol at that time anyway, so I didn’t have to really leave it.
Belief in God as in the Trinitarian doctrine I always just accepted because that’s what we believed, but I didn’t understand it. So if you don't understand something how can you really say that you believe it?
I can say with confidence that I never really did believe in a triune God. I believed there’s God, but what changed was my belief in Jesus, peace be upon him; in his relationship to God, his relationship to us. That’s really what did change.
From the bottom of my heart I have to say just do it, because to me speaking from reason it is the only way of life that people should be following. It’s the complete way of life that you won’t find in any other religion. And it's the most logical doctrine you can say you won't find in any other religion. It makes perfect sense, and the way of life that is encouraged and commanded by God is the perfect way of life.
My advice would be to just make sure that that’s what you want for yourself, and just do it. Don't worry and put your trust in God. Also, if you have any Muslim friends that you are already in contact with that may be teaching you about Islam, then ask them; and don’t be shy to ask them to bring you to the mosque they go to, to talk to their Imam or with some of the other knowledgeable persons in their congregation.
So, if you have decided to take on this path, then congratulations. You will have my prayers for continued guidance and success in this life and in the next life; the real life.
My advice would be: just be wary from where you get information from. Don’t be hasty to join up with a sect with slogans and all these things. Learn your information, go slow; it is the beginning of the path. You’ve just started. You just cannot attain ultimate truth within a year or something. Take your time. Always make sure to purify your intentions, and whatever you’re doing is for the sake of Allah, and in His worship.
So, brothers and sisters in Islam, and hopefully new brothers and sisters in Islam, I hope my words could benefit you in some way In-Shaa-Allah, and inspire you to embrace Islam and to progress on the path your are on.
Keep me in your prayers.
How The Quran Changed J.R.'s Life
J.R. Farrell's Journey to Islam::--
I can remember, throughout my childhood, all the times my parents fought over money issues, living situations and the like.
... I remember living in the project homes on the South Central side of Chicago with almost nothing to eat.
With a family of 10 it was hard for my father to support the family in the most desirable fashion.
Difficult Youth
My father was a hard working man, although he spent most of his time drinking away our family income and beating my mom, I still love my father. My father comes from Irish and German background, he has a sort of 'back home' old-fashion way of living.
Whenever he would come home drunk or just upset about something he would come to me and my younger brother and lay it out on us until he had nothing else to do.
Many times I could not even walk or breathe from all of the blows. Of course I had to be the one who got it most because I was older and any rap my brother gave I would take his whack as well. This was most of my childhood.
Then came my teenage years. With everything happening around me, such as girlfriends, flings, boozing, bars, drugs, etc. I just could not allow myself to be a part in any of it. It just didn't feel right.
My brother was one of the biggest drug dealers in Chicago. Many a day he would bring his stash home to sell locally. He knew my views on the whole idea and when he left one day, I took about $1,000 of drugs he had stashed away and flushed it down the toilet. When he found out, I swear, he wanted to kill me; and he would have if he had the chance. Of course I was the one who my parents took it out on because I was older and I should have taught him better.
That made me realize how fragile life can be. I didn't want to die an idiot so I began studying anything and everything. I couldn't take my face out of a book unless I put it in another. You have to realize something about my family, they are very competitive toward one another. Once they see the other person advancing they want to stop you in your tracks and allow you to go no further.
My parents had mixed feelings of my personal studies. They were worried that I might become brainwashed or follow some cult. They were right in one thing, I became a Nazi in 1994. I loved the fact that Hitler had thousands of people under his control. It made me feel important...like I was somebody. My father was pleased with the whole idea.
Back in the 60's when Martin Luther King Jr. was getting everyone fired up about his 'dream' my father was planning on getting rid of all of the blacks in the Chicago land area. In fact when Martin Luther King Jr. had marched through Marquette Park and Sherman Park on the South West side, my father had formed a gang, (the gang) that not only threw the blacks out but also caused a white against black war. That day my father hit Martin Luther King in the nose with a brick and to this day he brags about it.
Shortly after this incident Charles Manson and his crazy family were starting their secret mission. He was another who I admired and wanted to be like. While in the Nazi's I had witnessed the 60's all over again. I was there when they organized the attack on the little 11 year old black boy walking in a white neighborhood in Chicago (around 1997). They would have killed him but they wanted to leave a sign. Upon seeing these things I knew that I didn't fit in any more.
In 1995 I had met the first girl I could ever say I had loved. Even though I had a perfect opportunity to do whatever I wanted with her, I didn't. I couldn't allow myself to be completely intimate with someone who I wasn't married to. A few months afterward I had proposed to her and for a little over 3 years we remained engaged with out being sexually active. We both understood that more problems would occur. Being with this woman I was able to become who I wanted to be. I studied and studied and began to realize my life and it's purpose. I knew that I was missing something, I mean I really knew but I couldn't put my finger on it, but I would not give up searching.
The more I read the more my parents were drawn back. As I had pointed out that my family is very competitive they began mentally attacking me with how bad a child I was and how ungrateful a person I am for their shelter and food they supply me with. My parents never graduated high school, in fact they both only made it through the 8th grade and dropped out of the 9th. Therefore their education is obviously limited. All they know is what they see on TV and see from the behavior of people. I have to admit, from my parents raising me the way they did, I honor their discipline and give them absolute gratitude for what they did for me. They forced me to become a man. I had my first job at the age of 12.
At the age of 13 I was working full time making just as much as they. By the age of 16 I had my 1st apartment. I cooked, cleaned, washed my own laundry, did my own shopping and was preparing myself to get married. From the point of view that my parents judged people by their actions, I agreed with them and I still do. But that caused me to hate Muslims and Islam. I swear I really hated Muslims like you would not believe. Many say it is due to the media, well yes, it is a part of the madness, but mostly it is the own fault of the Muslims. The Muslims are the ones who have destroyed the reputation of Islam to a point that others hate us and we don't even know what we believe any more. It's sad but true. I have to tell you that most immigrants who enter into this country to make money are the number one accusers of spoiling the true image of Islam.
In 1997 my fiancée had given me the Quran as a gift, simply because I loved to read. Just to show you how much I hated the Muslims...Well when she gave me the Quran it caused a fight between us and we had separated for quite some time. Eventually I had picked it up and began reading it. I can remember that very day. The house was crystal clean, the air was soft and sweet and the lighting was dim and perfect for reading. It was the translation from Abdullah Yusuf Ali.
I read his introduction, the first 3 pages, and I began to cry like a baby. I cried and cried and I couldn't help myself. I knew that this was what I was looking for and I wanted to beat myself to death for not finding it earlier. I just knew in my heart how magical it was. This was not the Islam I knew. This was not the Arab thing I was taught to think was dirty. This was my life wrapped up in a few pages. Every page told my life. I was reading my soul and it felt good, but regretful. After this I had reunited with my fiancée and we discussed the whole matter maturely. Shortly afterward we both accepted Islam and were willing to live our lives as Muslims, even if it meant separately.
When my parents found out all hell broke loose. My father had threatened to take my life. He said, "You were born Catholic and so help me God I will make sure you die Catholic......" My mother's reaction was similar. I wanted to go to college more than anything, I wanted a formal education. So I got a job and paid my way through furthering my education in college. At that point my parents began flipping out over my conversion and my mother threw me out of the house which caused me to remain living in the streets for 6 months. I ate out of garbage cans, I slept in the coldest nights through the blizzard of '99. I walked miles to be with Muslims. I was chased out of neighborhoods by police officers for going into black neighborhoods attending Jummah prayer. I was pelted with rocks, spit on, harassed, etc. I just wanted to be with Muslims.
After some time I met a friend who made a deal with me. He said, "If you can build us a masjid in our muffler shop, you can stay there until you find a place..." I agreed. The muffler shop had a second floor area, about 2000 square feet for storage. Every day I had spent hours on removing inventory supplies and garbage. Within one month I had utilized half of the space, built a wall, added a window, installed a door, put in some carpeting, painted and opened up the first Muffler shop masjid in the city of Chicago. I had learned the carpentry trait from my uncle. It was my first full time job.
Around 6 months later I had maintained a good job and moved in with two friends. My old fiancée was out of the picture by now. We had agreed to live our lives as Muslims, not as fools. I loved her more than anyone I had ever loved. But being Muslim was far more important than being with a person. In 1999 I had become the President of the Muslims Student Association at my college. I was attending Halaqat daily, going to seminars, I had a mentor, and I built a relationship with my enemies; Muslims.
In 2000 I was on my way to Hajj. An experience I will never forget. I had visited Madinah and other neighboring areas. The one thing I had realized at Hajj was the truth about God and the history of Islam. We can only go back in time so far and we can only rely on what text books tell us about people and places. In Makkah and Madinah I had seen with my very own eyes the magic of Islam's great history. It was as if I was living the history. I felt the Hadith come to life. I saw the Sahabah in the mountain tops. I smelt the battle of Badr. I tasted the air the Prophet once breathed. I felt the real Islam that each and everyone of us are destroying.
Although I am alone, without a wife or a family to call my own, I know Islam is life, not a way of life but life itself. I understand that Islam is not a religion, because religion can be pluralized. I understand that Muslims are not what Islam has to offer. I understand that Islam cannot be judged by the actions of Muslims, Muslims can only be judged by Islam.
I have been given a great opportunity to become who I am and who I am is no one no higher or less than each and every one else. I was given the opportunity to acquire my dream job. I have always wanted to work for relief work and helping people, as much as my past contradicts the fact, but it's true. I now work for Global Relief Foundation, it's where I have been for over a year now.
As much as I fed you with words of my life, nothing can explain my heart. I have only mentioned a few of the many obstacles I have faced, I know that many of you have faced so much more. My purpose of telling you this is to say that I understand the difficulties many are going through.
A mum-of-two has told how she was inspired to convert to Islam – after helping a victim of honour-based violence as part of her job in the police.
Police Community Support Officer Jayne Kemp, 28, decided to find out about the faith while helping a Muslim woman suffering domestic abuse.
After speaking to other Muslims on Twitter, she was inspired to give up her Catholic faith to fully convert last year and now lives a completely Islamic lifestyle.
She now goes out on her PCSO patrols in?Eccles, Salford, wearing the traditional hijab headscarf and makes time up at the end of her shift to attend Friday prayers.
Jayne, single mum to a son, nine, and daughter, seven, formerly converted in a Shahada ceremony last April and now plans to change her name to Aminah.
While her children spent Christmas Day at their dad’s so they could still celebrate, she went round to her mum’s – but had to cook her own dinner so it would be halal.
Jayne, who joined GMP in August 2009 and lives in south Manchester, said: “It started when I had a woman approach me at work who was experiencing honour-based violence.
“Where I work in Eccles there’s a big mosque and big Muslim population, so I thought I should find out more about it.
“I’d thought Islam was all about women being forced to slave away in the kitchen – but found out it was about being generous with your time, patient and respectful of others.
“As I looked into it I saw similarities with Catholicism and also values like looking after your neighbours and valuing the elderly that older people say younger people don’t have any more.
“I wasn’t looking for any religion at the time but for every question I got answered about Islam I just had five more – I think I fell in love with it.”
Jayne made the decision to tell colleagues she had converted when she wanted to start wearing a hijab to work – and says they have all been supportive.
She is now working with the Greater Manchester Muslim Police Association to design a regulation police hijab and tunic – as one has never been needed before in the force.
Jayne said: “I was worried about what my colleagues would think but they have been so understanding.
“People in Eccles have been great too – most don’t even mention it.
“If my children had struggled with me covering my hair I wouldn’t have done it.
“They have both asked a lot about it but I would never push Islam on them and they will be brought up Catholic.
“I just hope by speaking out I can show it is OK for a Muslim woman to work in the police force and also change negative stereotypes about Islam.”
Jayne, who grew up in Wythenshawe, said: “My family in general are supportive. As long as I’m happy, they’re happy.
“I was very open about my reading and studying Islam. My sister said the other day I’m the happiest she’s ever seen me.”
Jayne was helped to find out about Islam by Muhammad Manzoor, who runs Muslim Twitter account Local Masjid from his Whalley Range home.
He said: “I was humbled Jayne was asking me these questions as it made me find out more about Islam too.
“She has found this religion for herself and hopefully it shows Muslims can mix in society without compromising their faith.”
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manchestereveningnews.co .uk
Jobseeker Claire, 24
CLAIRE EVANS converted to Islam last July after researching it following a break-up. Claire, from Bridgend, South Wales, says:
After my heart was broken by a Muslim man, I wanted nothing more to do with the religion – I thought it was cruel and unkind.
Heartbreak ... Claire converted to Islam after breaking up with a Muslim man
I wasn’t religious before I converted. I didn’t really believe in God. I now cover my hair and wear a hijab, which was a big decision. My dad doesn’t like it, though, and I don’t wear the hijab when I’m with him.
At first I got some stares and nasty comments but in the past six months I’ve grown in confidence. Now I go to the mosque once a week and I pray every day.
I also took a Muslim name, Safir, but I still use my old name of Claire too. I have a new partner too, who is a Muslim, but we’re not settling down just yet.
Islam has made me calmer and, for the first time in my life, I feel accepted.
There’s not much I miss about my old life, except the odd sausage roll – I can’t eat pork now.
thesun.co.uk
American soldier Jacian Fares - Converted to Islam
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My name is Jacian Fares. I come from the Al-Fares family of Hebron. My father was born in Lebanon, my mother is a Spaniard. I was the first generation born in America (Dearborn, Michigan in fact).
My father took no stock in religion nor did he live it, although my grandparents are devout Muslims, I do imagine his choice and path in life had sadd
ened their hearts. Needless to say my siblings and I were born without a specific religion. We were to be raised as American kids.
Under odd circumstances I was the only one of the three of us to go live in Lebanon for six years, during which I was a teenager. I shall call this time period ‘my first encounter with Middle East culture’.
My second phase of encounter came when I was in the U.S. Marine Corps. I led the invasion into Iraq - not a war I agreed with, but I was a soldier just doing his job.
In Fallujah and other areas of the Al-Anbar province, I came to know locals. I had witnessed other Arabs during Ramadan over the years. I had watched how devoted to their religion they were.
Unfortunately I was shot in Iraq and lost a kidney - but it is as Allah wills. I had always believed everything happens for a reason. When I had come home I was depressed and feeling like I had nothing to follow in life. I was used to having routine and now it was taken from me. My relationship at the time went downhill. So I was alone. My grandparents had hinted at Islam, as well as my aunt. During August of 2008 I read the Quran. And it just clicked. It made sense to me, more so than the Bible or the Torah. It was very straight to the point. Muslim life has routine. I needed this change in my life, to find my true self.
“Verily this Quran doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the Glad Tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward;” (Quran 17:9)
Finally I had routine. I had reasons to live for and make my life that much better. I can say I had made many friends over the past year, all of different Middle Eastern countries; from Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, and Qatar. And these friends helped in developing who I am now. And for that I am forever thankful.
This year I have witnessed my second Ramadan. Sadly, I could not fast because I am a juvenile diabetic. But I donated food, money, and time to people in need for all thirty days. And this year is special, my birthday falls on Eid al-Fitr.
And while I am stuck here in America, alone, I am not alone. People in the Muslim communities treat me as any other family member. And I have to say this life we live, the Deen (Islamic way of life) we live, it brings us all together. It brings us together and makes us brothers and sisters every day of our lives - even without feasts.
So I promise I will always treat everyone as my brother or sister, help out ones in need, even in times without special purpose. I will do this every day of my life.
“Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;” (Quran 4:36)
I love Ramadan and what it represents. It reminds us what being a good Muslim is. But I propose that we make everyday of our lives like Ramadan and share with our fellow man and woman.
As Muslims we can make this world a better place, no matter how the media tries projecting us as, no matter how ignorant people believe we are, we can honestly make this world a better place.
“Show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant.” (Quran 7:199)
We should never push our God onto anyone, but we should inform the ones interested correctly. That's how it was done with me; I've come a long way with the support and help of my brothers and sisters, my friends and family in Islam.
I choose Islam because it's part of who I am. I've reverted back to what my family has believed. I now live how they live. This is all because reading the Quran was suggested to me. I'm happy and proud of myself for doing so. The Quran has led me to finding my true self. And now my God has a name: Allah.
I suggest to non-believers to keep an open mind and just look at what the Quran has to say. There is more there to it, if read with open eyes. The Quran is simply a tool and guide that we should use to live a correct path. It promotes peace, love, and a strong trust in Allah.
“And what will explain to thee the path that is steep? It is: freeing the bondman; Or the giving of food in a day of privation. To the orphan with claims of relationship, Or to the indigent (down) in the dust. Then will he be of those who believe, and enjoin patience, (constancy, and self-restraint), and enjoin deeds of kindness and compassion.” (Quran 90:12-17)
A British Sister's Journey to Islam
I will shortly give you an introduction of why I became Muslim and how it just came about really.
About a year ago, my fiancée came back to his religion. When we first met he was Muslim, but he was not a practicing Muslim. And this time last year he actually came back to his religion and found his faith again. He started to read the Quran and pray, and everything like that.
He started to read to me stories about the prophets, peace be upon them, and also gave me a web site where I could read the Quran in English, and next to it was the Arabic translation.
The Quran actually wasn’t what I expected. The way it was written was really beautiful, and it seems to me that every question you had it was answered there. No matter what question it was or anything, there was an answer in the Quran at some point in it.
So the more I started to read about it, the more I wanted to learn about Islam, its principles and what it was like to be a Muslim in general, so I started to get books out and read them, and I also started to look at web sites on the Internet about Muslim converts and just anything that I could find really.
So it carried on for a few months, me researching and finding everything that I could, and in November of last year I actually said my Shahadah. I didn’t say it with anybody present, I said it to myself, and I did all the purifications and everything. So since then, it’s just been amazing. I don’t actually live in a Muslim community, so it’s a bit difficult for me to interact with Muslims personally.
I got a book out a few months ago, it was called The Bible, The Quran and Science, and that book is so great. It’s by an author called Maurice Baucaille, and he basically tells you all the contradictions of what the Bible says, between the Old and the New Testament, and how it has changed through the years. And then he also goes on to say that the Quran is in modern knowledge it can’t be explained, and therefore it must be the word of God, because things that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago cannot be explained today, how they knew it sort of thing, and it’s just a great book, you should check it out it’s really good.
So that’s in a nutshell, it took a few months for me to get there, but I did.
So brothers and sisters, you've got a new one to add to the family.
Luis Garcia converted to Islam while studying English in Texas.
Cut off financially by his Christian mother and father, Luis Garcia was about to be thrown out on to the streets of Texas, where he was studying at the University of Houston.
Mr Garcia was drawn to the faith after meeting a group of students from Saudi Arabia who did not fit the media's stereotype."Among them there was one guy called Ahmad who started talking to me about Islam," he said. "I didn't want to learn at first."
Ahmad gave him brochures which he accepted only "out of politeness", but soon read them and Islam started to making sense.
His curiosity led him to take Islamic classes but he gave up after five months fearing the reaction of his parents.
However, when a renowned Muslim preacher, Yusuf Estes, himself a convert, delivered a lecture at the university, Ahmad arranged for Mr Garcia to meet him backstage.
"When Estes saw me he hugged me, then I started crying. I don't know why," he said.
He told the preacher he was too scared of his parents to convert, so the preacher suggested he return after "growing up".
That was all the prompting Mr Garcia needed. He took Mr Estes's hand, walked out on stage in front of 400 people and announced that he was a Muslim.
But the joy of the experience was tempered by the dread he felt at having to tell his parents. That Christmas, he went home to Mexico City. Airport security held him on suspicion of having links to Al Qaeda after they found a Quran in his suitcase.
He was freed but his father demanded that he be re-baptised at the local church. When he refused, his father became violent and kicked him out of the family home.
Mr Garcia flew back to Texas, where he continued the English as a foreign language programme his parents had already paid for. His father stopped sending money, so he moved into a friend's flat.
"My Saudi friends received a salary from the embassy there every month. Each one of them would put US$100 (Dh367) aside for me."
But he knew he did not have the finances to continue for long. "I felt really hopeless," Mr Garcia said.
Just as he was beginning to despair, a friend called him and told him to meet an Emirati man at the local mosque.
The Emirati told him he would speak to some people in the UAE and fix his problem. One week later, the Emirati returned and told him everything had been arranged for him to move to the American University of Sharjah, where he would be fully sponsored by a sheikh.
When Mr Garcia arrived in the UAE he was escorted to his dorm by a supervisor. When he opened the door the room was exactly as he had seen in an earlier dream.
"I knew it was the right place for me … it was my home," he said.
The next day the family who sponsored him invited him to their majlis and told him how proud they were of him.
"They never left me alone, they treated me like one of their own," he said.
Worried at first about being the only Hispanic student among 5,000, Mr Garcia thrived and became president of the student council. Now 25, he will soon be starting his first job.
"I found real fraternity in Islam. Brothers and friends, I have met so many good people here," he said."
source: the national
Dude, shut up already. All you're proving is that you're annoying and stupid. I worship God, not a human being. End of story. I know what Christianity teaches as I left Christianity, you're making an utter fool out of yourself. You're annoying and you'll be banned soon (again). You have the intellect of well wait no you have no intellect. And this is not the way you convince people of anything even if you're trying to prove to me how awesome chocolate yogurt is, this is not the way to do it. In real life everyone would ignore you and you'd sing the I'm so lonely song.
lol mos get rid of this dumb ass troll. Don't they have real lives or are they all lonely basement losers seriously lol?
Anyways, I thought mos kicked you out of this section already but guess not.
#1 You are a troll #2 You're a hypocrite #3 You don't know how to talk, debate, argue, discuss, nothing. You're just plain annoying and you're destroying this section for everyone.
25 Year ago, in March 1988, I made the decision to become a Muslim. The desire came into my heart after much reading and prayer to The One True God, and upon seeing a girl go into prostration. When I saw her putting her head to the floor, I knew that Islam meant to surrender. I had been searching to surrender myself to God my entire life. I have made many mistakes since that day, and I constantly ...ask questions, seeking to reaffirm my faith. But I have to say that the decision to become a Muslim – to actively seek to surrender to The One – has brought untold Blessings and Joy into my life. To live with awe at the Cosmos, to hold to a Universal message, to attempt to follow in the footsteps of the Messenger who was sent as a Mercy to Mankind, has been an extraordinary journey. Life has not been without its tests, but I am truly grateful.
Sarah Joseph is CEO and Editor of Muslim lifestyle magazine emel and commentator on British Muslims. She is a writer and a broadcaster and lectures on Islam both within the UK and internationally (USA, Europe, Middle and Far East). Sarah converted to Islam at the age of 16 in 1988 after being brought up as a Catholic.
Former Partij voor de Vrijheid (PVV) member Arnoud van Doorn have converted to Islam. The Hague ex-councilor who left Wilders Radical and anti-Islam Party in the end of 2011, professed the Shahada on Twitter in Arabic:
I profess that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet.
By that phrase van Doorn expressed his conversion to Islam, but he also declared that he wants no further statements about his religion, because he sees the issue as a strictly personal matter. He did issue another tweet, however, speaking of a ‘new start/birth’, as Muslim.
http://revolutionaryislam.com/2013/03/02/arnoudvdoorn/
Wooooooooooooosh, ekul and his idol geert wilders must be boiling now:So, you are ADAM from Bodybuilding.com, and as for Arnoud van Doorn, good riddance, it wouldn't surprise me if it is a political stunt. Also, he should fit right in, considering he was investigated for selling drugs to children aged 14 and 15, probably due to his interest in pederasty, a common Muslim pastime.
His twitter: https://twitter.com/ArnoudvDoorn
People who do sincere research on Islam will know that Islam has been hijacked by few idiots and the media, hence why a lot of people are scared of Islam. But once you do a proper, unbiased research you will come to know that it is a pure religion, much better and makes more sense than the other Abrahamic religion.
So, you are ADAM from Bodybuilding.com, and as for Arnoud van Doorn, good riddance, it wouldn't surprise me if it is a political stunt. Also, he should fit right in, considering he was investigated for selling drugs to children aged 14 and 15, probably due to his interest in pederasty, a common Muslim pastime.
Wooooooooooooosh, ekul and his idol geert wilders must be boiling now: Part 2.Quite the opposite, As these sick Muslims grow in confidence, they show the Australian people their true colours, Muslims aren't known for their smarts and they will bring their own downfall, it is only a matter of time. The more Muslims FORCE themselves on other people the more they will not be tolerated, as this story clearly indicates, Muslims are not wanted in this Country, and no amount of their idle terrorist threats is going to change that.
Deal with mosque, pastor told
SUPPORTERS of a mosque in Doveton's industrial area have urged anti-Islamic cleric Pastor Danny Nalliah and his followers in the Catch the Fire Ministries to learn to live with it.
Outside Casey Council chambers on Tuesday night, supporters were quietly jubilant after Casey councillors ticked off the mosque in accordance with a recommendation from their planners.
But Mr Nalliah who has led the campaign against the mosque, described the decision as "a sad day for Australia" and said his group would appeal to the Supreme or Victorian Court to overturn the decision.
A spokeswoman for the applicants, Sherene Hassan, urged Mr Nalliah and his followers to follow Jesus' precept and "love thy neighbour".
"That’s what we plan to do," she said. "But we haven't felt much love from this group."
The mosque is being built next to Catch the Fire's new headquarters and church, and Ms Hassan said they would welcome visitors from the neighbouring church.
Mr Nalliah was in the public gallery, along with about 60 supporters, who were watched closely by four police and four security officers.
The atmosphere was tense but there was not the disruption from the gallery of a previous meeting.
Councillors voted nine to one to approve the mosque despite 33 objections and 14 petitions
containing more than 2000 signatures opposing it.
They accepted the recommendations of the planning department, whose report stated that "fears of the unknown" were not valid grounds for rejecting the mosque.
Objectors cited traffic concerns, lack of public transport, loss of amenity for neighbours, the height of the mosque, noise concerns and concerns that Islam "teaches hate".
In their report, the planners cited an earlier ruling by the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal in relation to a Romanian Orthodox Church in Narre Warren North which made it clear "fears of the unknown" were not appropriate grounds for refusing a permit.
"It follows that religious or cultural differences (or fears) are not within the realm of the planning scheme assessment."
They stated the application was consistent with state and local planning policies and there were two approved places of worship near the proposed site, 27-31 Green Street, including the new headquarters of Catch the Fire Ministries next door.
The sole councillor to oppose the mosque, Rosalie Crestani, asked repeated questions of the planning department but did not raise the anti-Islamic objections she had raised in previous meetings.
Deputy mayor Sam Aziz, another outspoken critic of Islam, was not present.
“The scarf is not such a big deal and not all Muslims wear it. It is modesty and is to be identified as a Muslim.”^^^ This quote right here shows what a naive teenager this poor girl is, Western women aren't being forced to dress immodestly, men don't control what women wear. The majority of Western women dress modestly and they don't need to be FORCED by RELIGION to do so. They do it because they are mature and have self respect. In the WEST women can choose to wear whatever they like, unlike this poor woman, who has now forced herself to endure being held to an ideal that is impractical and extremely restrictive.
“It does not oppress women but rather liberate them as they choose who sees their body rather than men and society choosing what to see.”
Okay Mr expert.I was talking about that specific case you highlighted, but as for others converting to Islam, I am sure their are a myriad of reasons which I don't pretend to know the answers to. In the case of Geert Wilders political party member converting, I have no doubt that was a political stunt. In a way it highlights how desperate and gullible Islam is, to accept a traitor into their ranks, for all they know he is still in cahoots with Geert and just gathering Intelligence.
So what is your opinion of Geert Wilders' ex anti islam member embracing Islam? Also naive and brainwashed?
All these thousands of Muslims are naive young helpless souls, while you the oh so wise 40 year old knows best right? So what say you about a staunch anti-islam 'elderly' person becoming Muslim?
Other Religions run charities and do good works in the community to help others. Where are all the Islamic charities and what good works are they doing. All you do is waffle on about how some people have adopted Islam as their current trendy religion. In 40 years, I am yet to encounter an Islamic run charity, yet i can't drive anywhere in my area without encountering a Christian ran charity in every suburb.
Why are Muslims always so angry?
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UK church opens doors to Islam because mosque too smallYou never answered the question. WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO ANGRY?
An Episcopalian priest has made headlines in the UK and India by opening the doors of his Scottish church to Muslims for prayer, reports Ucanews.
The Rev Isaac Poobalan allowed Muslims to use St John’s church in Aberdeen for prayer after he saw worshippers praying “on a bitterly cold day” outside a nearby mosque because it was too small to accommodate them.
Up to 100 Muslims now pray in the main chapel at St John’s every Friday – and the church hall is being converted for the exclusive use of Muslims.
“The mosque is in fact in a former diocesan office in the church grounds which was sold by the diocese to a Muslim businessman. He opened it as a mosque but it only holds about 50 worshippers,” Poobalan told ucanews.com.
The opening of the church has featured in The Guardian, Daily Mail and The Sun in the UK and the Indian Express and Times of India.
Poobalan, 50, grew up in Vellore, Tamil Nadu, and his father was a member of the chaplaincy team at Christian Medical College Vellore Hospital.
“I saw people from all religions praying in the hospital chapel,” he said. “It taught me that prayer transcends religion. We all pray to essentially the same God.”
http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=35461
You never answered the question. WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO ANGRY?
The real question is why are you not mentally normal and what distress in life has caused you to have mental problems like you have been exhibiting on this forum over and over again filled with hate, rage and anger.I could ask the same of you, what trauma did you encounter that made you embrace HATE as a religion. And you never answered the question. WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO ANGRY?
You never answered the question. WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO ANGRY?
Arent you agnostic?I don't believe atheists are angry, they may be able to be described as frustrated, because they have to regularly deal with religious imbeciles, but I don't think they would ever aggressively take to the streets threatening violence and burning flags and effigies to make a point. It is rather disingenuous for a Muslim to accuse others of being angry when Muslims are world renowned for there irrationality and angry outbursts.
I asked why atheists are angry, you dont have to answer it. You can answer it if you want, but you cant, all you did was reply with photos of bearded men shouting, which i dont care about anyway.
Ive numerous times asked you questions but you dont reply to me, but you want people to reply to you.
Ive asked you if there was any jewish or buddhists in the australian police force.You never replied but you were sooking that there are no muslims in the australian police which there is.
You mentioned that muslims do not give charity or do good deeds to the community.I asked you what proof you have that muslims dont benefit the community and you didnt reply.I put up some links for you.
I don't believe atheists are angry, they may be able to be described as frustrated, because they have to regularly deal with religious imbeciles, but I don't think they would ever aggressively take to the streets threatening violence and burning flags and effigies to make a point. It is rather disingenuous for a Muslim to accuse others of being angry when Muslims are world renowned for there irrationality and angry outbursts.
And how would I know the religious make-up of the police force? I am not a policemen. I imagine in Australia it is predominately Christian with a sprinkling of other faiths making up the minority.
And whatever good works Muslims are doing they are keeping it well hidden. You offered a few examples, mind you you had to look hard for them. It is the Christian faith that can easily be seen to be doing the majority of charitable deeds. Rather sad when you consider the Muslim Population. Perhaps if they weren't so angry and destroying things, they might have more time to focus on what religion is supposed to be about.
Anyway, you never answered the question. WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO ANGRY?
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Arnoud van Doorn Former leading member of Dutch politician Geert Wilders’ Anti-Islamic party who recently embraced Islam (in the middle) and Lawrence Brown and others waiting for Asr Prayer in Masjidi Nabawi (The mosque of the Prophet).
Sorry e-fool, but you are wrong as usual.Oh, your experience constitutes reality. how typically narcissistic and ignorant of you. 75% of New Muslim Converts in the US leave Islam within a few years. In Africa, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity every year. Millions of people leave Islam every year, it is a dying religion for fools and terrorists.
Sure e-fool, that's why 50% of American Muslims are converts. Personally I've been Muslim 10 years now :) My parents around the same and my grandmother even longer, my uncle even longer he was the first to embrace Islam but he passed away. Why would I abandon something beautiful? Even if you are ignorant and hateful of it, good for you.
IT IS OFFICIAL, the British Government had released the census report that Islam is the fastest growing religion in UK. Islam has grown from 2.7% to 4.8% in last 10 years only. Whereas Christianity has declined from 71% to 59%. These are official Government results and all other reports are either based on small sample size or personal opinions or biased reports
British census: Islam is the fastest growing religion
London: New census data for last 10 years has been released in UK and it has some new facts as per the government ONS website:
-Islam is the fastest growing religion in UK
-Islam is the second largest religion after Christianity
-Indians are the largest ethnic minority
-Christianity declines from 71% to 59%
The census is held every 10 years in UK and the latest was conducted in 2011, whose results were made public a month ago. The facts are based on how people identify themselves in terms of religion and racial ethnicity. Although it is contested that not everyone may be what they identify themselves as especially when it comes to racial ethnicity.
The census was based on 56.07 million people, and 33.7 million people identified them as Christians, whereas the number of self-identifying Muslims rose to 2.7 million, that is a rise from 3% to 4.8% of the population in last 10 years.
The Muslim Council of Britain has welcomed the result, saying Muslims were playing “a significant part in the increasing diversity of Britain.”
Islam’s 2.7 million adherents make it the second-largest religion in England and Wales, far ahead of Hinduism (817,000), Sikhism (423,000), Buddhism (248,000) and Judaism (263,000). The other fringe religions are pagan, pantheist, wiccan, satanist, druid, “Jedi Knight” and others.
This comes after the latest U.S. Religion Census that was released on May 1, 2012, which also found Islam as the fastest growing religion in America. The data for the census was compiled by the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, and the results were released by the Association of Religion Data Archives. From the year 2000 to the year 2010, the census found that the number of Muslims living inside the United States increased by about 1 million to 2.6 million – a stunning increase of 66.7 percent.
Thus Islam is the fastest growing religion in both US and UK according to the latest census reports announced this year. No wonder Barack Obama had recently said ’we are no longer a Christian country’. He wasn’t much off the mark.
The biggest surprise of UK census was the phenomenal increase of people who said they do not follow any religion and they increased from 7.7 million to 14.4 million almost doubling in last decade, which means more then quarter of people identify themselves as adhering to no religion. The assumption is that majority of these people identified earlier as Christians. This resulted in decrease in Christian’s population from 71% to 59% in last decade alone.
In the U.S., by contrast, a 2007 Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey found 16.1 percent of respondents identified as “unaffiliated” with any particular religion.
Major Christian denomination put up a brave face saying that most of the people who identified as Christians are practicing one rather than the ones who associate themselves as ‘cultural Christians’.
The results of the UK 2011 census released this week apply to England and Wales only. Separate data from Scotland will be published shortly.
Source: UK office of national statistics- www.ONS.gov.uk
Not according to what us agnostics/atheists believe. We believe it's all bullshit and nothing is going to change, Jesus isn't coming back, Allah doesn't exist and people of faith will continue to war with one another indefinitely until potentially World War 3 and the end of man as we know it. Religion rather than offering salvation is more than likely to bring man made Armageddon. Thanks religion, Great Job. And why? All because insecure and neurotic people need imaginary father figures to comfort them because they can't comfort themselves. To think of how wonderful life is and yet the majority of people spoil it by becoming religious. It makes the mind boggle.E, I'm surprised at you. Reducing it all to a cliche such as "All because insecure and neurotic people need imaginary father figures to comfort them because they can't comfort themselves." Thought you were above statements like that.
E, I'm surprised at you. Reducing it all to a cliche such as "All because insecure and neurotic people need imaginary father figures to comfort them because they can't comfort themselves." Thought you were above statements like that.Do you really want to know? It's a one liner, it's hard to condense down into a sentence the many reasons people choose religion as an option for their lives. But yes, I do think a lot of it is to reduce the anxiety and angst that comes from the inevitable philosophical questions about existence. For me, even if GOD does exist, it makes no sense to make a religion out of it, it should much rather be like any other phenomena of the natural world, say like lightening or gravity, just something that is part of nature. No need to obsess about it, always think about, pray to it and build a life around it. That concept just seems absurd to me.
Do I truly seem insecure and neurotic to you?
Do you really want to know? It's a one liner, it's hard to condense down into a sentence the many reasons people choose religion as an option for their lives. But yes, I do think a lot of it is to reduce the anxiety and angst that comes from the inevitable philosophical questions about existence. For me, even if GOD does exist, it makes no sense to make a religion out of it, it should much rather be like any other phenomena of the natural world, say like lightening or gravity, just something that is part of nature. No need to obsess about it, always think about, pray to it and build a life around it. That concept just seems absurd to me.
I have always seen the NEED for a personal GOD as somewhat a sign of disrespect to the creative force, here we are, we have been giving everything we need to live a full and happy life, and yet for the Religious people that's not good enough, they pray for what they don't have, they desire a stronger connection, they obsess about God etc etc. I think if they actually wanted to show gratitude to the creative force responsible for life, they would simply live a good full life, forget about God and get on with it. I always imagine GOD looking down, feeling disrespected and saying "Stop bothering me, stop thinking about me, just get on with it, I have already giving you everything you need to live a great life, what more do you want?, just get on with it and forget about me". The people who are devout religious people gave the type of relationship with God that would get them locked up if they related that way to any human being. it's kind of stalker like and obsessive. Admittedly GOD being so aloof doesn't help.
It seems like this all relates to your own poor personal experiences with family and your father abusing you. This is where your hate and denial seems to stem for.a-ahmed, I know you like to latch onto the idea I have talked about personal Child Abuse and use that to create some elaborate theory you have of why I am an agnostic or hate filled or whatever you want to call it. But relatively speaking, I had quite a privileged upbringing, I was raised in a large family with my mother and father who both had successful professional careers. One an Engineer and the other a Midwife. I never went without and both my parents were always available and for the most part showed good judgement. Like a lot of families, their was some dysfunction and some inconsistency, but this is something that I don't consider a big deal and in comparison to a lot of families I considered myself way better off.
You said forget about God and just you got it all live life.
Well, if that were the case forget about your parents even though they gave birth to you, fed you, clothed you, cared for you. But since you didn't get that you see an evil sign in it.
Most people got that and think of that. Your own poor experiences just fail for you to see that in the general population. It has nothing to do with a 'father figure' but rather, someone above you.
God gave us life, gave us everything we should be GREATFUL to Him. He is not a 'father' or a 'mother' but our creator.
Imagine you spend all your efforts as a human on a single being and that single being curses you, disses you, disrespects you, gives you no credit for any of your good to him and even slanders you. In the end you are not dependant on that person but they were on you. The least they could do is have some gratitude but instead they do the very opposite. The same thing applies.
One of the core tenets of many religions is the act of selfless giving, to give without expectation of receiving anything in return, and yet you believe a all powerful Creator isn't even capable of this basic tenet. That he gave life to humanity but on the condition they showed the appropriate level of appreciation. The personality of your GOD would be considered a shitty human if it was in such a form.So you think God is not giving you anything? What an arrogant and selfish response. You don't even realize it. You are breathing and living. If you lose a finger or a leg. That does not mean you curse God. It means you understand this life how it is. God gave you much in this life but you are only seeing the negative.
Oh that's not my depiction I was just elaborating on your 'father figure' explanation and your response.
I believe in God as the creator and we should be thankful to Him for creating us, amongst other things. We are dependant on Him not the other way around. God's power and glory does not increase or decrease by our actions. God who created us would know also what's best for us and how our lives will be best. If we were to randomly follow men, we would all be misguided. You may disagree with that but that's what I believe. As men often follow their desires even if their desires are highly misguided or twisted.
For example how is it that homosexuality is suddenly acceptable and even being enforced by law? It wasn't always so and people understood why not. How about beastiality or necrophilia? All of these can be 'argued' just as homosexuality. In the end it comes down to what a majority of people accept based on desires.
What God outlines for us is quite clear. That men and women are made for one another and to live kindly with one another, produce children, etc... Nothing very confusing about it. Furthermore God instructs us to abstain from loose sex like animals, why, it would create chaos and a disorderly society. I am just talking in simple terms here it's more elaborate than that. Just tiny examples.
So you think God is not giving you anything? What an arrogant and selfish response. You don't even realize it. You are breathing and living. If you lose a finger or a leg. That does not mean you curse God. It means you understand this life how it is. God gave you much in this life but you are only seeing the negative.
Can you repay God for your eyes with which you see? No. Okay if you don't have eyes. You still have something else? And then what? Do you see how you are perceiving things in an evil manner and ungrateful manner.
How about the muscles you have? Without them you are an immobile doll. People are tested differently. You had a troubled youth with your family, that does not mean God hates you yet it seems you hate God because of your poor experiences.
I had troubled experiences too, not the same, but we all do in life. Mos did too. However it makes me think and instead opens my eyes to the reality of this world and our place in it.
We are not independent, we are not invincible, we are not perfect, we are certainly dependant on God even if you don't want to ese it.
Do you realize each second how you breath? What if you suddenly could not breath? There is so much intircate things in the human body minute second things which we take for granted.
Oh that's not my depiction I was just elaborating on your 'father figure' explanation and your response.Homosexuality seems to be of great interest to Muslims (lol). And it isn't being enforced by LAW, I think what you mean is there is more of a push in some societies for homosexuality to become more accepted, to have the same legal and political rights as heterosexual couples. And just because something wasn't always so, doesn't mean society should continue on the same path. If society had have used the argument that it has always been so, therefore we shouldn't change, slavery would still be legal. Admittedly, I don't understand homosexuality, from an evolutionary perspective, but then again, I don't understand why people get sexual thrills from wearing latex, or being dominated or many of the other strange sexual practises people have. But who gets to decide how people should behave sexually, I mean you come from a religion that openly endorses paedophilia, a questionable sexual form of deviancy as recognised all over the world.
I believe in God as the creator and we should be thankful to Him for creating us, amongst other things. We are dependant on Him not the other way around. God's power and glory does not increase or decrease by our actions. God who created us would know also what's best for us and how our lives will be best. If we were to randomly follow men, we would all be misguided. You may disagree with that but that's what I believe. As men often follow their desires even if their desires are highly misguided or twisted.
For example how is it that homosexuality is suddenly acceptable and even being enforced by law? It wasn't always so and people understood why not. How about beastiality or necrophilia? All of these can be 'argued' just as homosexuality. In the end it comes down to what a majority of people accept based on desires.
What God outlines for us is quite clear. That men and women are made for one another and to live kindly with one another, produce children, etc... Nothing very confusing about it. Furthermore God instructs us to abstain from loose sex like animals, why, it would create chaos and a disorderly society. I am just talking in simple terms here it's more elaborate than that. Just tiny examples.
And there you go again you juts have to attack. Pedophilia? No pedophilia means going after children and raping them, abusing them, etc... Muhammad (peace be upon him) and many other prophets and many other past people, married younger than themselves, in fact his first wife was in her 40s when he was 25, much older than him. So in fact the 'modern' concept of 'maturity' at 18 or whatever artificial number is just another example of what men decide. Why were these age laws even put in place? British society had child smuggling prostitution rings and women were abused. That's why.
God knows what's best for us and also instructs us to marry and have proper relationships with our spouses. Not be an animal that goes around with one night stands with thousands of women. Getting drunk, going to clubs. Yes this is the 'modern standard'. Islam teaches us to marry as soon as we are able. I've been married 7 years now and wouldn't change a thing. Wouldn't trade places for those people who still around me are doing one night stands. I am the one that's far more happy than those guys who think they get every chick every night while drunk.
There is a difference between rape and marriage of young people. Who tells you that its evil to marry someone young? Society. So ironically as you bash 'religion' you are endorsing what society and some men's desires set as laws. Including homosexuality.
I've known of some 16 year old who were married in Canada and they are still married and have children, finished their school, are working, happy, etc... Who sets these artificial numbers?
And in case you didn't know in some parts of the world even criticizing homosexuality can lead you to jail. A UK priest was jailed for speaking against the evils of homosexuality.
And you are right e-kul, the world is getting more chaotic, its also more openly abusing God. Most movies now portray or promote what is against God's teachings or even openly attacking God and religion. It's 'good' to be bad. But uncool to be good. It's easier to be bad than easier to be good. People who are a virgin and abstain before marriage are mocked. People who try to be religious are insulted or called backwards. Yes you are right the world is going in the wrong direction and the results are quite clear.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said a day will come where holding onto faith will be like holding onto burning coal or iron. Imagine holding that in your hand. That's exactly how we Muslims are treated as such today. Women are mocked or seen as 'oppressed' for covering, but women who are borderline pornographic are endorsed and 'free'.
Yeah, Muhammad marrying Aisha at 6 and then having sex with here at 9......we can slice and dice that however and add whatever apologetic justifications we can imagine, but doing so is just putting lipstick on a pig or polishing a turd.....in the end it's still a turd. That's an example of a Muhummad mistake that we can all learn from....it's a solid example of what not to do.....ever............. ........................ ............ever.
ever.
I think what concerns me the most is your lack of self awareness, you openly despise homosexuality and even compared it to necrophilia and bestiality, and yet you make amazing leaps of logic to justify paedophilia. You believe that society shouldn't judge those that want to marry children, yet should come down harshly on homosexuals. Surely if one wants a deviant act like paedophilia socially endorsed, they should be the last people judging what is acceptable sexual behaviour.
There is a difference between rape and marriage of young people. Who tells you that its evil to marry someone young? Society. So ironically as you bash 'religion' you are endorsing what society and some men's desires set as laws. Including homosexuality.
Yeah, Muhammad marrying Aisha at 6 and then having sex with here at 9......we can slice and dice that however and add whatever apologetic justifications we can imagine, but doing so is just putting lipstick on a pig or polishing a turd.....in the end it's still a turd. That's an example of a Muhummad mistake that we can all learn from....it's a solid example of what not to do.....ever............. ........................ ............ever.
ever.
Yeah, Muhammad marrying Aisha at 6 and then having sex with here at 9......we can slice and dice that however and add whatever apologetic justifications we can imagine, but doing so is just putting lipstick on a pig or polishing a turd.....in the end it's still a turd. That's an example of a Muhummad mistake that we can all learn from....it's a solid example of what not to do.....ever............. ........................ ............ever.
Girl from Peru 9 years old married to a 27 year old guy:You truly are a sick pervert, children aren't capable of giving informed consent, they are dependent on the adults in their life for sustenance and nurturing, not to be used as the sex toys for deviants. The fact you even think a 9 year old is capable of consenting highlights your primitive mindset and obvious lack of education. And stop pretending women in ISLAM have choice, it is called duress, the fear of what will happen if one makes a choice that those who hold power over them don't like.
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There's a big difference between raping someone and being married to someone.
Priests who rape, are raping boys and girls. They are not even allowed to marry. Rape is against the consent of the other person. Marriage is consent of both parties. There is no valid forced marriage. Islam punishes rape and would punish forced marriage and one of the right's of a woman in Islam is to chose whom she wants to marry and on one can have the final say except her.
lol yeah okay. Children are stupid because some western scientists decided it right? Clearly above all of these are very unhappy. They are happy even if you hate to see them happy. You are demented in the head because all you see is evil and negative. I feel sorry for whatever you went through in your abused youth. I am guessing you were raped by your father and did not consent to it. That's too bad for you. Don't take it out on the rest of the world.Where I come from, if you expressed the opinions you are expressing here you would be beaten to death. I am appalled by how openly you endorse immoral predatory behaviour. The reason we have age of consent laws is because of basic morality, something that ISLAM lacks. In the West we have studied the life cycle, and have understood the logic behind allowing both physical and emotional maturity before one participates in sexual activity and adult life. And the West doesn't promotes promiscuity over marriage, you are being absurd again, we just understand the nature of life, we don't deny it, and young people gather experience by choosing to have several partners before settling down. Muslims have a far greater problem with promiscuity than the West does. mainly due to their denial and repression of instinctual sexual urges. Pornography is illegal in Pakistan and yet they lead the world in Internet searches for porn. (including child porn)
Forced marriage has no place in Islam, you nimwit, even if some uneducated village idiot muslims somewhere in the world might engage in it. So do african Christians, so do Indian hindus. Their cultures are backwards.
lol beaten to death. Oh I thought you were against violence.I have never said I am against violence, as a matter of fact, I endorse it as a method to deal with bullies, or those who deliberately choose to harm others and refuse to see reason. (like paedophiles). To think that there is something wrong with those who oppose paedophilia and child abuse shows your true nature. I do not know what force twisted you into such a sick paedophile, and the worst part, is not only are you not ashamed of your paedophile beliefs, you seem proud of it. What a disgusting creature.
I don't want to get angry again because I know you're a low life slime ball who laughs at other's suffering when it suits him. And falsely accuses others including 2 billion people. But hey. Whatever gives you life in your miserable lonely life. I feel sorry for you.
"MORAL" LOL. "Predatory" WOW... I swear to God I wish I could get you mental help. There really is something wrong with you.
I have never said I am against violence, as a matter of fact, I endorse it as a method to deal with bullies, or those who deliberately choose to harm others and refuse to see reason. (like paedophiles). To think that there is something wrong with those who oppose paedophilia and child abuse shows your true nature. I do not know what force twisted you into such a sick paedophile, and the worst part, is not only are you not ashamed of your paedophile beliefs, you seem proud of it. What a disgusting creature.
lol oh e-fool. You're winning the war and getting closer to mental institution status every day. But I understand you much better now. Your father raping you and abusing you left issues that have led you to hating religion, God and yourself. I have no respect for you for so many reasons. But I did try to talk to you in a civil manner, but it's absolutely pointless. You're subhuman and a two faced walking contradiction filled with only hate and anger, selectively saying what he wants.I am grateful that you don't respect me, I would definitely feel as if I was doing something wrong if you did. The very last thing I want is the respect of someone who endorses paedophilia. And you truly are a sensitive soul, the moment someone criticises your belief structure you crumble, and resort to name calling and attempts to humiliate. I think you will find the majority of the Western world will find your views on pedophilia highly disturbing. It is considered one of the more serious mental illness. And just to give you an idea of how Muslim sexual repression manifests in the real world. Check this out.
Speaking of which I got some work to do, you're a waste of a human being and time :)
lol oh e-fool. You try so hard.If it is forbidden, why is it that Muslims are the Number One group of people seeking it out. You don't think by forcing people to repress their human instincts that it may come out sideways, like being the biggest deviants on the planet, as the above statistics highlight.
Yet Islam forbids beastiality and homosexuality and pornography. So really, why are you hating Islam for something Islam forbids?
Islam also forbids and punishes rape, forbids forced marriage.
Islam only allows marriage for those able and mature. So... you are an empty case running out of your hate bullets.
So when your father raped you and sexually abused you was he being a good christian or good atheist? Just asking.I take it this is your way of conceding defeat. Rather than feel as if you have lost, you should appreciate the wisdom I offer you for free. No strings attached, no need to feel grateful towards me, I enjoy opening minds. Yours has been particularly hard to open, as it has been so forcefully closed by ISLAMIC teachings, but you are getting there. Hang in there buddy.
No I am just asking, was he a good christian or good atheist when he raped you? What's wrong cat caught your tongue? Clearly he's been indoctrinated with atheist religious teachings and christian religious teachings.I have never been raped and nor is my father a rapist. As I said, you feel a need to make up false accusations as a way of dealing with your hurt feelings, I get it. But if you can overcome those hurt feelings, which I trust that you can, you will grow as a human being. When you see a beautiful rose, you must realise that it has been fertilised with shit. While you see me as SHIT, you fail to realise I am your fertiliser.
Oh i see you were actually loved by your father and not sexually abused as we've all come to know.a-ahmed, you are a terrible representative for your religion. I do not shy away from the truth, and if I was ever raped, I would simply state that. If as a child someone had taken advantage of me in such a terrible way, I could see no reason to not share the experience and talk honestly and openly about it. If anything, your support of paedophilia and your attempts to mock sexual abuse victims is the very reason some people don't like to talk about their experiences. People who behave in such a way are just as guilty as the perpetrators. I on the other hand simply dismiss those people as the sick perverted human beings they are.
That's fantastic.
You know you should be a fictional novel writer. You can come up with alot of bs and coverup alot of bs on the go. Good job. Lying is second nature to you. As has already been exposed.
Such eloquence I am so amazed! NOT..
Aisha his 9 year old wife admitted that she saw in a dream that she was going to marry Mohamed, she knew they were meant to be together,
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen
So basically all the prophets and messengers of God who married young, who married multiple wives, heck even people before the late 1800s who used to marry young. They are all making mistakes because some British law says anything under 18 years of age is disallowed?
Trust me when I tell you, I went to school here in the west, grade 6 people screw, take drugs. Instead of wanting to marry they are encouraged to play around. That's the difference.
How are they more or less mature and who decides what mature is? There are 30+ year old who I don't deem mature. Most people were finding it weird that I was just 21 when I married. Why? Or that my wife is older than me by a bit. Why is any of these things 'weird'? Because of cultural norms of the west. Men are expected to marry someone younger than them? Says who? People are not meant to marry young until they are 'settled' in their 30s. Says who? People shouldn't have sex or 'drink' until they are 18? Says who? I had alcohol as a kid sip here n there. Most italian families do for instance. But so says who? If it's right or wrong? Or a specific age?
So in other words you are relying on what some British law described as allowed or disallowed. End of story. Islam says marry once you're mature and capable. West says no don't have sex or marry until you are at least 18, and odn't really marry just have fun.
Yup
What about Mary and delivering Jesus at like 13? Most argue between 11-14 right?
What about bar mitzvah? 12 years of age is maturity age right? Get married, get a job.
You see so... you are not following what God decreed, and are dissing it. While it makes sense. Instead you are following what some so called modern british law decreed. And why did they decree that? Because they had a child prostitiution problem in Britain.
Girl from Peru 9 years old married to a 27 year old guy:Here's what I want y'all to do. Whenever you feel the compulsion to defend Muhammad marrying a 6 yr old child and then having sex with her at 9 I want you to grab a squirt bottle full of water, spray yourselves in the face, then walk to a mirror and shout, "NO! NO!" If the water becomes ineffective switch to lemon juice or vinegar. I don't care about visions or dreams or whatever......no penises in small children.......none!
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There's a big difference between raping someone and being married to someone.
Priests who rape, are raping boys and girls. They are not even allowed to marry. Rape is against the consent of the other person. Marriage is consent of both parties. There is no valid forced marriage. Islam punishes rape and would punish forced marriage and one of the right's of a woman in Islam is to chose whom she wants to marry and on one can have the final say except her.
I know that the argument always swirls around 'forced marriages' but that has to do with certain cultures not Islam. Likewise even amongst non-muslims some of these early marriages/pregnancies happen by a guy and girl wanting to be one another and some yes through rape. There is a distinction between the two. Rape is rape. Period.
Here's what I want y'all to do. Whenever you feel the compulsion to defend Muhammad marrying a 6 yr old child and then having sex with her at 9 I want you to grab a squirt bottle full of water, spray yourselves in the face, then walk to a mirror and shout, "NO! NO!" If the water becomes ineffective switch to lemon juice or vinegar. I don't care about visions or dreams or whatever......no penises in small children.......none!
Be it a random weirdo, online crazy, backwoods trailer trash, catholic priest, a muhammad, etc......there is no marrying of preschool children and there are certainly no naked penises allowed in or about 9 year old child......ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.....
We all have wins and losses in life and let's chalk this incident up to a "L" for Muhammad. Or this is a Muhammad "my bad" moment. It requires no debate, no justification, no Muslim apologetics.....nothing. No penises in small children.....none....eve r, ever, ever, ever.
Again, if you ever forget the "no penises in small children" rule grab just the squirt bottle and go to town on yourselves. If you begin typing a future defense just stop then delete your response squirt yourselves in the face repeatedly and move on to a new topic.
There ARE no penises in small children.
NO PENISES IN SMALL CHILDREN.
What about Mary and delivering Jesus at like 13? Most argue between 11-14 right?
So I see the only reason e-kul is on here is because MOS likes his Islam bashing chivalry..
As I already told you MOS, so it seems you have a problem with Mary being 11-14 when she was to mary and when she bore Jesus.
Imagine that. It seems since the British made this law suddenly it's impossible for a person under 18 to have children or have sex or mary or be happy except if they follow the way of the British.
Those couples that I posted videos of were from south american and east europe. They are happy. And?
Who determines what's a child or not a child. There was an 8 year old who plotted and planned how to murder his parents in the news recently. He was VERY WELL AWARE of what he was planning and doing.
Anyways best of luck
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Impressive, a former Catholic child molester switched to a religion that can better accommodate his pedophilia.LOL, ar least know he doesn't have to hide it, and can actually do it with the prophets and god's blessing. Now he can fulfil his sick perverted fantasies with pride and no longer have to feel guilt and shame. The only drawback I suppose is he won't be regularly shuffled from mosque to mosque to pick up some fresh meat,
Impressive, a former Catholic child molester switched to a religion that can better accommodate his pedophilia.
Sister Rebecca Minor, 28, of West Hartford, Conn., converted to Islam five years ago. Wearing a hijab "reminds me to be a good person," she said.She must be a bad person, because she needs constant reminders to be a good person. Oh, well,Would Hit once anyway.
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Rebecca Minor a special education teacher who converted to Islam five years ago. When her students, ages 5 to 8, ask why she wears a headscarf, she always says the same thing: "It's something that's important to me and it reminds me to be a good person," says Minor, who is secretary for the Muslim Coalition of Connecticut. Minor, who is single, says she was intrigued by Islam in college, when she was close friends with a deployed American Marine but had Muslim friends at school."I saw a huge discrepancy in the negative things I heard coming from my (friend) and the actions I could see in my co-workers," she recalls. After spending 18 months learning about Islam, she decided to convert. The response from family and friends has been overwhelmingly supportive, Minor says. "The more you can do to educate people about Islam, not by preaching, but by actions, the better," she says.
Sister Rebecca Minor, 28, of West Hartford, Conn., converted to Islam five years ago. Wearing a hijab "reminds me to be a good person," she said.
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Rebecca Minor a special education teacher who converted to Islam five years ago. When her students, ages 5 to 8, ask why she wears a headscarf, she always says the same thing: "It's something that's important to me and it reminds me to be a good person," says Minor, who is secretary for the Muslim Coalition of Connecticut. Minor, who is single, says she was intrigued by Islam in college, when she was close friends with a deployed American Marine but had Muslim friends at school."I saw a huge discrepancy in the negative things I heard coming from my (friend) and the actions I could see in my co-workers," she recalls. After spending 18 months learning about Islam, she decided to convert. The response from family and friends has been overwhelmingly supportive, Minor says. "The more you can do to educate people about Islam, not by preaching, but by actions, the better," she says.
Sister Rebecca Minor, 28, of West Hartford, Conn., converted to Islam five years ago. Wearing a hijab "reminds me to be a good person," she said.Good on Her, Ticket to Hell.
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Rebecca Minor a special education teacher who converted to Islam five years ago. When her students, ages 5 to 8, ask why she wears a headscarf, she always says the same thing: "It's something that's important to me and it reminds me to be a good person," says Minor, who is secretary for the Muslim Coalition of Connecticut. Minor, who is single, says she was intrigued by Islam in college, when she was close friends with a deployed American Marine but had Muslim friends at school."I saw a huge discrepancy in the negative things I heard coming from my (friend) and the actions I could see in my co-workers," she recalls. After spending 18 months learning about Islam, she decided to convert. The response from family and friends has been overwhelmingly supportive, Minor says. "The more you can do to educate people about Islam, not by preaching, but by actions, the better," she says.
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Good on Her, Ticket to Hell.
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E-kul is pretty smart, but E-kuls a child, and when it comes to the getbig board, I am his father. He comes to me for advices. So it's not that hard for me to give him the wrong advices.
AHAHAHAH!!! Classic and bb related...well done!!
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Why the heck was a totally opposite thread merged with my thread?Nobody here really cares about Islam, just you and your gimmicks. Your threads on Islam are a cancerous growth on GETBIG, just like ISLAM is a cancerous growth on humanity.
Total epic fail of moderation in this section lately.
Nobody here really cares about Islam, just you and your gimmicks. Your threads on Islam are a cancerous growth on GETBIG, just like ISLAM is a cancerous growth on humanity.
Get lost thenOh, I forgot to mention I'm the chemotherapy around here.
Why the heck was a totally opposite thread merged with my thread?
Total epic fail of moderation in this section lately.
A 1000 pardons ahmed!!ROFL
How can the board moderators make your moderation experience better?
Shall I start by polishing all of your threads or perhaps alphabetizing them?
Please sir, let me know all your requests so that I can rectify this situation post-haste!
Yeah that's okay MOS. You allow an individual that endorses and ridicules genocide in the section. So it's understandable.You should count yourself lucky that he does allow people who endorse and ridicule genocide, otherwise you would have been banned long ago. ISLAM has been endorsing genocide since it's inception. The word ISLAM and genocide could quite easily be interchanged and considered synonyms.
^Yes I know you're ignorant and angry e-fool.Don't make me post your metldown again a-ahmed. ;D
Yeah that's okay MOS. You allow an individual that endorses and ridicules genocide in the section. So it's understandable.
Thank you Mos, God bless.
Yet all your reports to moderator issues have been resolved (and then some), your threads are all intact, they’re all regularly moderated and virtually all gimmicks on the board are removed. Further, approximately 60% of the posts from your current nemesis (E-Kul) have been deleted on this board. I sound like a broken record repeating this information LOL.I don't want a_ahmed banned. He is the best proof how cultist Islam is. As for 60% of my posts being deleted, I think that's sad. It definitely shows a bias towards Muslims, this is their end goal, to manipulate others to their ends. To impose Sharia on non-muslims, to punish them for being non-muslims. They want their information to be one-sided, propagandised. It's the very same tactic the NAZIS used, to rid society of any opposing information against Nazism.
Not long ago after I addressed a couple of your complaints and you replied with the following:
The manner in which the board has been modded hasn’t changed between now and then; although today I somehow endorse supporters of genocide. Keep in mind this view is based upon the same posts l already eliminated (some requested and some not requested). How that works I’m not sure?
Fact of the matter is you can't stand E-Kul and E-Kul can't stand you and both of you want the other gone. The irony is many, many others have requested and petitioned that you both be banned from Getbig. Who’s right? You? E-Kul? The majority?
I know there's a lot of hate directed at Islam on Getbig and you're attacked and/or insulted from virtually every side so your guard is always up. The same for E-Kul, he's attacked constantly as well. Still, both of you pick the majority of the fights you’re in or at the very least you fully egg them on LOL. You're both equally passionate in opposite directions and I’ve suggested that you both attempt to get to know the other and gain some perspective about the other, but it’s apparent that suggestion isn’t gonna happen.
It seems fairly clear that the Getbig Religion board isn’t able to accommodate your discussion or moderator requirements. You’re technically savvy and proficient. Why not develop your own “Islam Discussion” site so you can police it and set standards for posting however you want? You can own and operate the board however you please. If someone posts in opposition of Islam you can handle it however you prefer. I think gh15 has a fairly successful site….maybe he’ll develop a religion or Islam discussion board that meets your standards because Getbig isn’t cuttin it for you.
I personally don’t want either of you banned or to leave the boards, but I certainly wouldn’t mind if y’all calmed down a bit LOL!
I don't want a_ahmed banned. He is the best proof how cultist Islam is. As for 60% of my posts being deleted, I think that's sad. It definitely shows a bias towards Muslims, this is their end goal, to manipulate others to their ends. To impose Sharia on non-muslims, to punish them for being non-muslims. They want their information to be one-sided, propagandised. It's the very same tactic the NAZIS used, to rid society of any opposing information against Nazism.
I actually first registered back in 19 October 2005, under another name, and then created my current account in 2007 when I lost my password to my old account. Nearly 8 years ago, and I joined simply for the reason the site was politically incorrect, it was only known to body-building fans and it was a fun place to be. Unfortunately over the years, as the site has grown in popularity and slowly moved away from the fringes there are now so many precious people on the forums who want to spout ridiculous nonsense and expect little to no opposition. They want to cry to the mods, start threads demanding people be banned and create gimmicks to bully others.
And I am unsure if it's an American thing, but Americans sure do seem oblivious to the way the rest of the world works and unable to grasp there is life beyond American borders. Where I live we have effective gun control and for the most part it works, and the citizens are happy with it. We don't believe our Government is about to go on a genocidal warpath and enslave everyone. But when you mention this you get thrown all types of crazy propaganda as if it is proof of the TRUTH, people threatening you and jumping up and down as if you have no idea what you are talking about, that you're not even American, so you wouldn't understand etc etc. I just use this as an example of how Americans think they only way to do things is their way, what they consider normal, is often considered abnormal in other places, and in some cases outright bizarre.
Anyway, the point I am making is I think I have outgrown Getbig, I have grown a lot in the 8 years I have posted here, and it seems there are few mature, critically thinking posters left. I need to find a more open minded community, one capable of critical analysis of current pressing issues. This is the first time in 8 years I have thought of moving on, and will make a decision in the following weeks. I am sure this will come as a relief to others, but even contemplating the move has already made me feel better at the prospect of leaving getbig behind.
Invalid link. Was it a beheading?Lol. Awesome
man i am not showing examples or i can show thousands of them.. i want us to talk about the logic in the video..
Sorry bro :o
sorry i have fixed it now ;D
i want it to be a good polite argument with my christian brothers here.. it's better for non-believers brothers who will come to say all religions are meaningless and so not to post here..
man i am not showing examples or i can show thousands of them.. i want us to talk about the logic in the video..
and these examples you are showing are not good picture of christianity.. this girl or these girls clearly changed their religion to be accepted in a better way by the west..
this is why i want only real christians to post here and show me their logic..
man i am not showing examples or i can show thousands of them.. i want us to talk about the logic in the video..lol ' logic '
sorry i have fixed it now ;D
i want it to be a good polite argument with my christian brothers here.. it's better for non-believers brothers who will come to say all religions are meaningless and so not to post here..
I respect all religions, but not all religious people, simple is thatSo you respect belief without evidence, just not the people who are involved in perpetuating such nonsense. ???
So you respect belief without evidence, just not the people who are involved in perpetuating such nonsense. ???
For me, having respect for, and agree with certain beliefs, are two different things.What is there to respect exactly?
What is there to respect exactly?
no problem brother,.. i am a true muslim and islam is forgiveness so i am forgiving you :P
Ali Hirsi was exposed as a fraud, not by Muslims, but by dutchmen, just saying.
Ali Hirsi was exposed as a fraud, not by Muslims, but by dutchmen, just saying.Says the crazy Muslims who she tried desperately to flee from. Nobody ever believes a Muslim, they admit they will lie (actually the Koran encourages them to lie - kitmanTakiyya ) whenever they need to so as to get there own way. Islam is a disgusting religion. And you are the real fraud, the way you masquerade as a human being.
sorry i have fixed it now ;D
i want it to be a good polite argument with my christian brothers here.. it's better for non-believers brothers who will come to say all religions are meaningless and so not to post here..
that's a sad story. Hopefully she'll have someone come along and ask her some real questions some day.
Report: British Soldier Beheaded Outside London Barracks
A U.K. lawmaker told reporters Wednesday that a serving British soldier was killed outside of an army barracks in southeast London and two suspects are in custody.
The London Times reported that one of the attackers shouted "Allahu Akhbar" ("God is Great in Arabic) as they attacked the soldier with meat cleavers.
One of the suspects is injured and in the hospital and no other people are being sought, Nick Raynsford, a lawmaker who represents the Greenwich and Woolwich areas of London, said in an interview on Sky News. The incident may have started because of a traffic accident, he said.
“Sadly one patient, a man, was dead,” London’s Ambulance Service said in a statement. “Staff treated two other patients, both men, who were taken to hospital, one of them in serious condition.”
London police said on Twitter they were responding to a “serious incident” on John Wilson Street in the Woolwich area. More than 30 police officers are still at the scene.
The Ambulance Service sent a helicopter, three vans and two officers in cars to the scene after receiving a call at 2:20 p.m., the agency said. They still have staff at the scene, it said.
Raynsford didn’t immediately return a call to his mobile phone.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is also investigating because officers fired their weapons during the incident, a spokesman for the agency said.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/british-soldier-beheaded/2013/05/22/id/505841?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Woolwich: 'Soldier Dead After Terror Attack'
A man reported to be a serving soldier is dead and two people have been shot in Woolwich, south east London, after what Sky sources understand is being treated as a terrorist attack.
Downing Street has called a meeting of the Government's Cobra emergency committee after the incident in John Wilson Street, which David Cameron described as "truly shocking".
Sky sources understand that senior police officers believe the killing was likely to be a politically-motivated Islamist terrorist attack.
Dozens of weapons - including a number of knives - and pools of blood could be seen on the ground, where a man wearing a Help for Heroes T-shirt is said to have been attacked by two men.
Sky sources say that following their attack, witnesses heard the pair chanting "Allahu akbar" - and asking passers-by to take photographs of them.
Armed officers arrived at the scene and opened fire on the two alleged attackers. The men were taken to separate hospitals with gunshot wounds.
The Metropolitan Police confirmed one person had died following the incident and said the Independent Police Complaints Commission had now taken over the investigation.
Photographs taken at the scene show three people lying on the ground. Their condition was not clear. A car that appeared to have crashed could also be seen.
Commander Simon Letchford, from the Met, said officers were called to the road at 2.20pm.
"One man was being assaulted by two other men," he said.
http://news.sky.com/story/1094380/woolwich-soldier-dead-after-terror-attack
The cancer of Islamofascism strikes again. Cue the defenders to say this has nothing to do with Islam. ::)
^There was a White Christian Britisher who just killed someone violently with knife, machette, stabbing brutally someone over 15 times in public. Yet he is not a terrorist. Double bias.
It was on the daily mail uk news website already taken down covered with twenty photo stories of the 'mozzlem'. Never mind that two mosques were attacked, set on fire, a 75 year old elderly man was just stabbed to death and so on. All focus on one nigerian dude who supposedly is a convert to islam. All islam and muslims on trial.
Separate this to another thread this is not for this thread but since u asked:
http://news.sky.com/story/1084835/birmingham-murder-man-75-stabbed-to-death
The arson and attacks on mosques, well I have friends who are in the UK and they reported on it to me directly. The EDL retards are eager to attack Muslims and immigrants at any moment they can get.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/two-arrested-after-braintree-and-gillingham-mosque-attacks-8628382.html
^There was a White Christian Britisher who just killed someone violently with knife, machette, stabbing brutally someone over 15 times in public. Yet he is not a terrorist. Double bias. Anyways Islam is growing in the UK and that's despite the animosity and islamophobic garbage of the media.
I'm pissed off with the Black dude who killed that soldier. If i wAs so hell bent in killing people and expecting to go to jail for ever,i would of got a machine gun and mowed down hundreds of British soldiers.The soldier was a terrorist who killed muslims in Afghanistan so he was a fair target.If he was killed in Afghanistan we would of said it's part of war,so why can't the Muslims kill him in his home town.He is a legitimate target and don't feel any shame on him dying.Your a freak! Using your own logic you would be more than happy for me to go and kill Muslims in my community, since were at war with them. I mean why bother travelling to Afghanistan, I can get the job done here. I mean if they were killed in Afghanistan, they would just say it's part of war, so why can't Westerners kill Muslims at home here.
Your a freak! Using your own logic you would be more than happy for me to go and kill Muslims in my community, since were at war with them. I mean why bother travelling to Afghanistan, I can get the job done here. I mean if they were killed in Afghanistan, they would just say it's part of war, so why can't Westerners kill Muslims at home here.
All u do is rant and talk.Then why don't u do it?I don't commit terrorist acts, because I am not a terrorist. I was using your twisted logic to prove a point. But It does surprise me that Muslims receive little real blow-back. If Westerners were to use the tactics of the Muslim terrorists shit would get real ugly real quick. I guess the majority of westerners aren't prepared to lower themselves to the depths that Muslim scumbags are. Trust Muslims to lower the bar on decency as low as it can go. The soldier is only a legitimate target while he is in a warzone. When he is home and walking in public he is a civilian. And you have the gall to call me violent, you're the one suggesting that terrorist acts are perfectly acceptable by presenting some of the most twisted logic I have ever heard. You're a disgrace.
The soldier is a legitimate target,my neighbour who is a non muslim who doesn't kill muslims is not a target and should not be harmed.
You are more violent than the Muslims u rant about.
I don't commit terrorist acts, because I am not a terrorist. I was using your twisted logic to prove a point. But It does surprise me that Muslims receive little real blow-back. If Westerners were to use the tactics of the Muslim terrorists shit would get real ugly real quick. I guess the majority of westerners aren't prepared to lower themselves to the depths that Muslim scumbags are. Trust Muslims to lower the bar on decency as low as it can go. The soldier is only a legitimate target while he is in a warzone. When he is home and walking in public he is a civilian. And you have the gall to call me violent, you're the one suggesting that terrorist acts are perfectly acceptable by presenting some of the most twisted logic I have ever heard. You're a disgrace.
You are suggesting that a Soldier is the enemy of Muslims wherever he resides, so it goes that Muslims are enemies wherever they reside. By your logic a Muslim living in an enemy Country is just as viable a target as a soldier living in his homeland. This is why the Americans placed all the Japanese in concentration camps during World War 2. They couldn't take the chance that the home grown Japanese wouldn't become enemies of the State. Sadly we have weak Governance these days.
Guys create another thread and stop polluting it with political garbage seriously
Guys create another thread and stop polluting it with political garbage seriously
Sorry ahmed, back on track
Meet the ex-Hindu who converted 108,000 people to Islam
blablabla...
The writer of that article lacks the basic knowledge about psychology (or is it simply manipulation? ::) ).
You can inspire someone, but you can't 'convert' someone. In case someone is forced, there's still no 'conversion'.
Some folks are so obsessed by religions/politics, that I wonder if they have a social life or even lift.
What's the point of quoting me? How many of my posts can you count regarding these subjects? ::)
Can't u read.THis is the religious discussion section.So there are people like us who are obsessed with politics and religion and we are in the right section.if you don't like it then take a hike.
A fake photograph of Tibetan monks standing in front of a pile of dead bodies appeared in many websites in the Muslim countries, especially Pakistan. This photo of Tibetan monks was actually taken during their relief work in Kyegudo (Yushul), eastern Tibet, after a devastating earthquake hit the region on 14 April 2010. The Tibetan monks extended remarkable service in the rescue and relief operations at the time.
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NEVER TRUST A MUSLIM !!!
Its awesome to see proof that buddhists in burma are violent as the article mentions,LOL at Muslims suggesting Buddhists have trouble in the bedrooms. It is common knowledge amongst prostitutes that Arab men are terrible lovers and premature ejaculators.(probably due to their Islamic induced sexual neurosis)
"Sectarian violence in Myanmar first flared nearly a year ago in Rakhine state between the region's Rakhine Buddhists and Muslim Rohingya. Mobs of Buddhists armed with machetes razed thousands of Muslim homes, leaving hundreds of people dead and forcing 125,000 to flee, mostly Muslims"
It must be disappointing to see that not only are buddhist violent, but also have trouble in the bedroom.
And 1-2 child limit has nothing to do with religion, china have a 1 child limit aswell.
Just read an awesome article about how Gandhi fucked the Hindus in India and empowered the Muslims. His non-violence philosophy was seen as a weakness to exploit by the Muslims which they did successfully. Gandhi's beliefs actually led to a lot of violence. Gandhi even considered Hitler a friend (talk about gullible) and criticised the few Jews who fought to save their lives. He suggested that the Jews should be willingly slaughtered. Gandhi was a fruitcake, and was a Muslim apologist who was responsible for much Hindu suffering. (that's why he was murdered eventually by a Hindu). He even suggested Britain give up arms and oppose Hitler with spiritual force. (Oh Brother!)
If you are interested in the article, you can read here:
http://www.islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3500 (http://www.islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3500)
Gandhi Quote: "Even if Muslims decide to wipe out the Hindu race, there is no point in Hindus getting angry on Muslims. Even if they slit our throats, we should be patient and accept death. Let them rule the world, we will pervade the world and merge with it. At least we should not be afraid of death."
What a fucking fruit loop!
You know you should know your fate. You are the modern example of Abu Jahal and Abu Lahab. They are like your role model.
He also said the Jews should have offered their necks to the Nazi's knives or something like that. Hard for a lot of us to understand total pacifist thinking like that.Gandhi was critical of the Jews who dared stand up to their oppressors with violence. How fucked up is that. I think non-violence beliefs leads to way more violence than a stance of choosing to use violence only when it is against those who initiate it against you. Gandhi was responsible for so much unnecessary suffering of his own people, that's why he was assassinated in the end. More often than not do-gooders create far more suffering than had they just left well enough alone.
Brother AJ took his Shahadaah at west London Dawah table and became Muslim. Also three more brothers and One sister took their Shahadah today. They all were from Christian background.Fuck them
May Allah guide them Ameen!!!
May Allah bless our brothers at IERA who have been working so hard by giving Dawah on streets in UK!!!!!
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2 million ethnic Muslims in Russia leave islam:
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513
in every year 6 million African muslims convert to Christianity or Atheisam .
Shiekh Ahmed Katani : "In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed".
http://www.aljazeera.net/programs/shareea/articles/2000/12/12-12-6.htm
For English Translation : http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=972
Muslim Preachers, Dawa Missionaries, Islamic Scholars, Mullahs, Imams Leave Islam and Enter Christianity.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17499
200,000 UK Muslims Left Islam
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html
50,000 Iranian Muslims have embraced Christianity in Iran in last 2 years
http://www.iam-online.net/Press_release_PDFs/IAMTVrelease_FINAL.doc%20(Read-Only).pdf
250000 Muslims left Islam in Malaysia,100000 became christians
http://www.harakahdaily.net/v06/index.php?optionfiltered=com_content&task=view%20&id=791&Itemid=28
For English : http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=356823#356823
10,000 Frech Muslims converted to Christianity in last years,
http://alonzo-95.skyblog.com/
For English : http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=251560#251560
Thousands of Kashmiri Muslims leave Islam and Convert to Christianity !
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/010/12.26.html
Thousands of Bangladeshi, North African, Kashmiri, Indian Muslims, Central Asian Muslims Leave Islam and Embrace Christ.
http://www.youtharise.com/index.php?option=articles&task=viewarticle&artid=994
Some 35,000 Turks converted from Islam to Christianity last year
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/139/story_13903_1.html
Kyrgyzstan : 100,000 Muslims have converted to Christianity in 3 Years !
Omurzak Mamayusupov, the director of Kyrgyzstan's religious affairs committee, "The percentage of Muslims declined from 84 percent of the total population in 2001 to 79.3 percent in 2004. In terms of figures, he added, some 100,000 Muslims, of the country's five million population, have converted to Christianity."
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/countrynewssumm.php?country=Kyrgyzstan&PHPSESSID=df81b650d93475f5d699815c7f7da5ad#
Indonesia :
"According to A.T. Willis and others between 2 or 3 million Muslims converted to Christianity after the massacres of the communists in Indonesia, in 1965"
http://www.secularislam.org/humanrights/compatible.htm
"Catholic officials stated that approximately 10,000 Muslims convert to Catholicism each year. "
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2003/23829.htm
Posted by Somali Freethinker at 2:30 AM
People who have become Muslimi wish i could have killed this guy.
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28 New reverted Muslims from different nationalities participated in shahadah
In Masjid Ammar -Wan Chai, Hong Kong.
17 Philipinos, 1 Indian, 6 Chinese, 1 South African, and 3 Indonesian. May Allah bless our brothers and sisters who are doing the good work of Dawah........Aameen
I reckon it would be good ahmed if you could also make your own website of people who have converted to islam.
Have you seen anything like that?
yeah, but he would be using CHRISTIAN created technology to the max ;D ;D ;D
yeah, but he would be using CHRISTIAN created technology to the max ;D ;D ;D
a_ahmed why do you guys say "revert" instead of "convert?"
And then they blow someone up.... >:(
Because unlike in Christianity we believe everyone is born pure, not born of sin. Born in a state of fitra, meaning purity, in obedience and submission to God. Thus, by definition everyone submits to God and is born a Muslim, but it is their parents and environment that overtime corrupts them and turns them away from God. So reverting means returning to that state of submission to God.
Our natural inclination to seek out God, to recognize God and to worship God.
Dr Gary Miller (Now Dr Abdul Ahad) was a very active missionary and was very knowledgeable about the Bible. This man likes mathematics so much, that's why he likes logic. One day, he decided to read the Qur'an to try to find any mistakes that he might take advantage of while inviting Muslims to convert to Christianity. He expected the Qur'an to be an old book written 14 centuries ago, a book that talks about the desert and so on. He was amazed from what he found.
If he likes logic, he must have been amazed at the many illogical and unscientific statements in the Qur'an. One of my personal favorites is from Surah 86, which has this to say about man: "He is created from a gushing fluid that issued from between the loins and ribs."
Really? So man is created from sperm alone instead of sperm and an ovum, and the sperm is produced somewhere other than the testicles? What kind of nonsense is that? But hey, let's not rush to judgement. After all, Allah created so many things and maybe he mixed up his anatomy notes when dictating the Qur'an. Or maybe the connection with Muhammad had a lot of static because of solar flares and the wrong thing got transcribed there.
Either way, that's a very clear, very obvious mistake - one of many. And if Dr. Mill... excuse me "Dr. Ahad" failed to spot those mistakes, something tells me he didn't read into it too carefully.
But even if he had, so what? What does a degree in mathematics have to do with religious belief and the evaluation of religious texts? Nothing really, but hey. We don't have to let that stop us. So the thrust of the "argument" here is that this very logical and careful man examined the Qur'an and found it divinely inspired and that one should believe his analysis because of his credentials in mathematics. That's a tricky argument to make; after all I have a degree in mathematics and I've read the Qur'an. I find it idiotic. Now what?
Because unlike in Christianity we believe everyone is born pure, not born of sin. Born in a state of fitra, meaning purity, in obedience and submission to God. Thus, by definition everyone submits to God and is born a Muslim, but it is their parents and environment that overtime corrupts them and turns them away from God. So reverting means returning to that state of submission to God. Our natural inclination to seek out God, to recognize God and to worship God.
Also when one embraces Islam, they start anew, just as if they are just born. All their past sins are erased and they start a clean slate just like a baby.
Interesting. So then does that mean they have salvation and will go to heaven when they die? Or is it a matter of continued submission or ritual re: the prayers 5x/day etc?
We go to heaven by God's mercy and secondarily by our good behaviour and good actions. Unlike in Christianity there is a concept of Justice in Islam. That's the key difference. You will be rewarded for good action and held accountable for evil and bad actions. You are held accountable for what you do and do not get a 'free pass' just because you wish so.
Those who profess in worshipping God alone even if they are put in the hellfire for whatever they might have done even if minor for a period of time will ultimately be given heaven but will be held accountable and punished for the evil they did until they are purified and justice is served.
Those who all out deny God or worship other than God will be in hellfire for eternity regardless out of their arrogance.
The question is often asked what about those who never heard the message? They will be tested accordingly in this life with what knowledge they have and what they do wit hit and how they act upon it and after passing away a test as well to test what they chose of their own choosing.
Second question those generations before? Likewise they will be held accountable as to what level of knowledge they were given.
So no one will be able to say they were not warned or not given a fair chance in this life.
hey ahmed, hope all is well with you.
within Christianity salvation through Christ is not about a "free pass to continue sinning".....it's actually quite the opposite. As believers in Christ we are saved by grace through faith and thereby justified before God and found righteous. We are not saved from sin or death, we are saved from the wrath and judgement of God....his divine justice at work. And thereinlies the indwelling of the Holy Spirt that comes upon new believers and guides the believer in all that they do…the spirit of the living God made manifest and tangible in our lives. The new believer doesn't simply "turn from sin", but changes their mind about the sin altogether (this is the meaning of repentance) and has chosen to life in accordance with the will of God in their life. Certainly we'll make mistakes along the way, but it's because of Christ's act on Calvary's cross that we are saved from the wrath of God. Life is in the blood and it’s only through the perfectly shed blood of Jesus Christ that all can be free from the ravages of sin in our lives. As believers we are certainly to engage in works of righteousness in accordance with God’s will, but those works alone are not to enough to reconcile us with God. It is only through Jesus Christ that we are made whole, made anew and sin removed from us and scattered as far as the east is from the west.
It’s why the Son of God left the eternal, the divine, the infinite and entered into his finite creation on earth as a man. First he came to demonstrate that he was God, then he showed us how to life for him and with one another in harmony and then he it made it possible for all to life forever with him.
Why is the Christian God angry and wrathful? And if he is angry and wrathful, why would he devise a plan that requires that he sacrifice himself (as Jesus) to himself (as God) so that others may gain salvation? Why not just forgive everyone outright, let us live our live free of threats of the “love me or else...” kind?
In Islam God forgives outright if you are sincere and repentant and proceed to do good. No intermediary or sacrifice needed. However if you die in a state of criminality or sin or evil or immorality you will be held accountable to it on the day of judgement.
hey ahmed, hope all is well with you.
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But why is forgiveness necessary? Why would an all-knowing deity create me to judge me? Your deity sounds little different from a kid with a magnifying glass that burns ants by focusing the sunlight on them.
Because the world is not an accident and just chaos, it's justice and order. When there is chaos and imbalance there are problems. God is just and He gave us free will and choices but also set about rules and set forth consequences. You are in no place to set rules upon God but certainly the one that created you has the authority to place rules and conditions upon you. And you are not all knowing and God is all knowing and knows what's better than what you think is better.
This answers nothing at all. When you can provide a sane, rational answer, we can talk about it.
This answers nothing at all. When you can provide a sane, rational answer, we can talk about it.
So you ask why God the all knowing does something and you who don't know everything are not satisfied why God would ever tell you anything because he knows everything and you don't.
You want to impose rules upon God or question why God does something, yet you ask why God would ever impose rules upon YOU and why you should do something because God says so or be held accountable?
Truly irony in everything being said.
Why should a computer do what it's told? Should it rebel against us for creating it? Simpleton example. It doesn't even equate in the slightest, but to make you think. The computer doesn't know beyond what it's instructed to do, if it messes up it crashes and you are created with certain instructions and who is the computer to question it's creator, likewise with you questioning your creator.
Your answer assumes that god exists and created us. That's a baseless assertion. And your question asking about computers shows exactly what you consider and see people as - objects with no free will or self-determination that must do as they're told.
Congratulations.
What I don't see is an automaton poster but I believe at the other end is someone, and I have no idea why IT is congratulating myself or rather itself on its own assertion of superiority and arrogance. Meaning you.
I said it's a simpleton example to make you thing, not the same in the slightest. The creation of the computer doesn't even come close to the creation and construct of the human.
So you outright deny that God exists or created us and therefore you are done.
It's in fact you who only sees existence of things being objects and materials alone. So really you are just an object waiting to disintegrate, you have no conciousness or soul or purpose. You just have this assumption that you have a conciousness, because uhm oh your own self indulgence in your own existence? You are just a thing waiting to hit the ground, a useless construct of earth's elements.
Arrogance and this type of rational gets you ego points not results through any sort of rational deductive reasoning.
You are an atheist so you deny God and ridicule any rational discussion on the topic.
You are the one that posed a rhetorical even question as an atheist why would an all knowing being set rules or ask for conduct, I answered you but you don't like the answer that you have an authority above you nor the example of being compared to a computer which is a simpleton construct for US, likewise we are simpleton to an all knowing being.
How significant do you think you are? An ant? Really that's true, you're just but an ant, and yet you argue like you are your own god with arrogance. You have an anger at the idea that an All knowing Creator/God would ever impose anything on you. IMAGINE THAT, why should you ever be greatful for existing or being created?
You think God is arrogant for setting rules upon you? Nope, it's you who's arrogant
You are the one that asked why would an all knowing being require such and such. So then when you get a response you turn around oh it's all baseless because you are making a premise that there is a God/Creator.
Cynical much? You ask a question you get an answer then despite your rhetorical question (as an atheist) you turn into a further arrogant cynic.
Will not waste further time or bother more responding to a troll that's derailing this thread. Have a nice life, the grave awaits us all. Be ready for it.
Speak for yourself man worshipper. The arrogance with which you feel so assured you are going to heaven is laughable.
Hey MOS, no matter how you sugar coat it, it really dose come down to you are 'saved' just because you accept Jesus as God and if you don't you go to hell. In practice Christians do all kinds of immoral stuff and are saved just because works and deeds don't matter 'faith' matters. As long a syou believe in jesus dying for your sins.
It's an unjust, illogical, and unfair make belief. Because in the end you have no assurance from God Himself that you are going to heaven but you are professing it like so. That's exactly what God says to those who claim they are 'going to heaven' with assurance and God responds to them in exactly that way.
I've worked with evangelical Christians and they are all emotion about this stuff, but I just ask them where do you have this signed and approved by God? Sorry I don't buy into it.
Islam teaches accountability and responsibility and yes we go to heaven by what I mentioned in the previous post, number one first and foremost God's mercy and secondly faith and deeds because of justice being served to all. What good is your so called faith if you sin and do immoral things but just speak of faith through words and emotions.
Likewise where is justice for the oppressed? Why should criminals be unpunished or held accountable for the things you did to them?
Speak for yourself man worshipper. The arrogance with which you feel so assured you are going to heaven is laughable. As if God signed your ticket personally. All hearsay wishful conjecture on your part.
No matter which way it's sugar coated, Christians believe they go to heaven just because they say Jesus is God and those that reject a human (Jesus) being God go to hell. Deeds and actions don't matter, you are saved. 'God' committed suicide for your sins. You are saved. Such brilliant logic and justice. Because you know Jesus loves you and that sounds preachy to say over and over again even though Jesus doesn't say things like that in the bible but hye its still preachy!
Mos: no matter how long your paragraphs it still comes down to the same thing. You go to heaven because Jesus died for your sins, 'God' comitted suicide because of man's sins and therefore now you are saved as long as you worship the god-man jesus. You 'should' do good, but hey it doesn't matter its not deeds that matter. No matter which way it's spun it's the same story.
Loco: All those have context, but I am not going to waste time arguing with you again as you just mindlessly copy paste verses a million times even when it's been shown to you before their context (already been done before). After all you thought the old testament 'we', 'us' (the plural royal I) was the trinity. It just shows how much you know and how much you make up on the go to satisfy your emotional beliefs.
So you outright deny that God exists or created us and therefore you are done. Well good for you.
You ask a question you get an answer then despite your rhetorical question (as an atheist) you turn into a further arrogant cynic.
Loco: All those have context, but I am not going to waste time arguing with you again as you just mindlessly copy paste verses a million times even when it's been shown to you before their context (already been done before). After all you thought the old testament 'we', 'us' (the plural royal I) was the trinity. It just shows how much you know and how much you make up on the go to satisfy your emotional beliefs.
The difference is I am not trying to sugarcoat a belief, I am saying it plainly while you are saying the exact same thing as what I said except with extra sugar on top.It's all good ahmed, I've already made my choice for Christ.
You contradict yourself that's the problem. I just summarized what you are trying to say.
The difference between what I believe and what you believe.
I believe:
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-We go to heaven by God's mercy. Do you think you can repay God for even your eye? No.
-Islam teaches JUSTICE, so people will be held accountable for their deeds. Rewarded for good and punished for evil.
-Those that believe in the oneness of God and do not ascribe partners to God will all ultimately go to heaven. Those that arrogantly denounce God or ascribed partners to God will dwell in hell forever.
-Everyone will be judged justly according to their means, status and knowledge so no one will be unfairly treated or be able to say I was unfairly judged. Everyone has a chance and God is not unjust.
-God does not need human sacrifice or any other sacrifice to forgive. He accepts forgiveness of those that are sincere and repentant.
-Everyone is born pure into this world but can be corrupted. Hence the need for guidance.
You believe:
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-God committed suicide because of men's sins in order to 'save mankind'
-Everyone is born with original sin
-God came in human form as Jesus a man, while God is in three persons but still one
-You go to heaven if you accept the above and you go to hell if you reject the above
-Deeds don't matter but to be somewhat sound you should do good because Jesus was good and did good deeds hence being in 'spirit of good', you have the 'holy spirit dwelling in you and guiding you to good' but hey deeds still don't matter and you still go to heaven for worshipping Jesus/trintiy/a man-god.
You are the one that asked why would an all knowing being require such and such. So then when you get a response you turn around oh it's all baseless because you are making a premise that there is a God/Creator.
Cynical much? You ask a question you get an answer then despite your rhetorical question (as an atheist) you turn into a further arrogant cynic.
Will not waste further time or bother more responding to a troll that's derailing this thread. Have a nice life, the grave awaits us all. Be ready for it.
A Norwegian family converted to Islam first day of #Ramadan, when they were on holiday in Turkey.
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Thanks, I found it ridiculously amusing too. The stuff you can find on the Internet! ;D
Ayn Rand (whom I don't particularly care for as a writer) said it best, in this excerpt from John Galt's speech; the emphasis is mine:
This text perfectly describes how I view original sin. I'd be curious to see what you think about it.
Do you think it's reasonable for God to measure you using divine standards, despite the fact that he created you with a proclivity to sin? That's like saying to a group of midgets that they failed to qualify as humans because they aren't at least 5'5" and that they were born with a proclivity to be normal height so it's their fault.
Do you think it's reasonable for God to even bother measuring you when according to the Bible he already knows the outcome of all the measuring already? What's the point in the measuring if the answer is already known and the outcome of the game has been decided? Whether you know the outcome isn't relevant.
I see no evidence anywhere in the Bible for this assertion. Perhaps your particular brand or flavor of Christianity believes that, but I don't think you can justify this biblically.
Why would God be angry when he knew, in advance, absolutely everything that would happen? And why create us "broken" if we would only anger him? The notion that God created us, and we somehow fell short making him angry must mean that either he messed up in the making or he didn't just likes being angry.
But why was this act required in the first place? Why did God need to make the wages of sin death to begin with? And why not "unmake" it and say "we good bros!". Look at it from an outsider's perspective for a second: God says the price of any sin is death. None of the creatures he created are above sin. Therefore, all his creatures must be put to death. But he loves those creatures so much that he can't allow that. So instead of using his amazing powers, he decides that must sacrifice himself to himself to enforce the rule that he created. In doing so, h will appease himself and satisfy the requirement that he imposed. And therefore he will, somehow, save his beloved creatures for a wonderful afterlife...
That's not just irrational. That's INSANE.
No. That's not what he did. If he wanted to say all is forgiven, he could have done so with no strings attached. A free boat isn't free if I must struggle through a weekend of hell surrounded by people trying to sell me timeshares - the cost of the boat is my weekend and my sanity.
Thanks - I do appreciate the time, and your willingness to talk even when we don't see eye to eye and you know that you are almost certainly not going to convince me. I really do find this conversation interesting, and wouldn't mind continuing it, but in a different thread; let's not step all over Ahmed's thread here.
P.S.: Sorry for side-tracking the thread slightly Ahmed. That's the risk you take in a public forum.
Which only goes to prove that there will never be a shortage of "stupid".
Good on them.
Your stupid that you don't believe in a God who is worthy of being worshipped.
Islam is hard to stick to. Miss one well timed prayer... and you'll burn in a hell.
Can you, perhaps, provide me with a concrete, logical and consistent definition of what it is that I am to believe in? How can I distinguish it from, say, a pink unicorn or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Well if you believe your creator is a unicorn or a monster then good for you.
Its not hard at all.
I pray 5 times a day and been doing it for more than 15 years.
I actually admire the devout Muslim's daily act of prayer. Despite differences in theology I find it to be endearing.
Are the prayers more scripted in nature or are they more a random outpouring of your soul? I'm not suggesting that a person can't be completely connected to a scripted prayer, I just wondered what the standard practice was. Or perhaps it's a combination?
it's both,.. i mean there are some scripted rules like the number of sitting and standing and saying "Fatha".. etc.. but after "Fatha" one can say whatever he wants from Quraan which can be a difference verse every time.. also you can ask Allah whatever you want during "sejoud"..
We go to heaven by God's mercy and secondarily by our good behaviour and good actions. Unlike in Christianity there is a concept of Justice in Islam. That's the key difference. You will be rewarded for good action and held accountable for evil and bad actions. You are held accountable for what you do and do not get a 'free pass' just because you wish so.
(The Christian) God is merciful, graceful and just. We don't have a free pass to sin just because we believe in Christ as Savior. People are held accountable for sin.
According to the bible, someone who believes in Christ as Savior (a Christian) will go to heaven when they die purely on what Christ has done for them, but we still suffer consequences for sin.
We suffer consequences for sin here on earth and some will suffer consequences in heaven by loss of reward.
In Christianity, salvation is a free gift. We don't "earn" it. But our sins and also our good works will still have meaning in heaven by way of loss of or gain of reward(s).
So in Islam the concept is everyone is born pure but then everyone gets corrupted (I think that's what you said)? And then salvation is through both grace and deeds combined, right? So then is there a type of numbers system or balance sheet regarding your deeds verses your sins that gets you in? Like, if you have more good deeds than sins you get in?
Its not hard at all.I see a lot of muslims walking around during prayer times. They don't all pray five times per day. Some tell me they pray for Fajr in the morning and Isha at night. Because North America does not support or make it convenient to get all ur five prayers in.
I pray 5 times a day and been doing it for more than 15 years.
I see a lot of muslims walking around during prayer times. They don't all pray five times per day. Some tell me they pray for Fajr in the morning and Isha at night. Because North America does not support or make it convenient to get all ur five prayers in.
I see a lot of muslims walking around during prayer times. They don't all pray five times per day. Some tell me they pray for Fajr in the morning and Isha at night. Because North America does not support or make it convenient to get all ur five prayers in.
lool what?. I have lived with muslims all my life. I am just saying not everyone is praying five times a day. You are naive my friend. My school when I was a kid even had a Masjid in it. my area is 95% Muslim at least. my girl friend is Muslim all my girl friends were Muslim. I am from Ottomon Empire back ground. I am aware of the prayer times in my area. Every Masjib I have been to has the prayer times displayed. And not all Muslims are perfect and fundamentalist... in that they don't practice so strict. Like they say "islam is perfect" people are not. Stop being so self righteous. you are a hypocrite. Why not stone me while you are at it? I missed a prayer time.
You see Muslims walking around?
You got me confused... but anyways, the prayers times as stingray has said varry from land to land, they are time periods of the day and we are all prescribed 5 daily prayers and we can offer voluntarily additional prayers as well as the prophet (pbuh) did which are sunnah and also additionally out of our own any time in the day or night.
Again for the billionth time please stop derail ling this thread with irrelevant jibber jabber, create your own thread.
I must insist, which verses of the new testament implore you to speak like you do?And since your so perfect... why not stone the girl for showing too much leg like they did to my family in Ukraine. Muslims killing Muslims. And my Cousin in Pakistan... they buried her up to her head in the sand and left her for the rats. Is that anyway to treat a fellow Muslim? And now you want to kill me for being a moderate? gth. Allahu Akbar!!!
That would mean that most of the people that I know in the west... are not practicing muslims. Even though they have a muslim label. You would be surprised how many people are just "muslim" in label. The idea is that you can be as religious as you want. It would be better for us to break all ties with islam. But you can't really when you have friends or family that are muslim. Big ACH has the right idea. Just say you don't believe in God... even if you do.
That is one thing i highly dislike about Islam, is that it has very high expectations of its followers, and some of the consequences/punishments are so serious, that it can easily be misapplied, and the result is this mass dysfunctional religious chaos you got in most Muslim countries.
I mean, what was God thinking expecting so much of retards aka humans.
You seem lik an angry bafoon honestly. You say yourself not all muslims practice the religion then go on your anger rage against muslims doing things as if it's according to islam.I am looking at facebook right now. It's Ramadan. Some of us are fasting (like me) some of us are not. Some of my muslim family and frineds are even posting pictures of drinking alcohol and having parties in the day. Myself, I stay away from alcohol and enjoy fasting. Just because people are not fasting and drinking alcohol... does not mean they are not "real" Muslims. They are still Muslims, from Muslim countries, with Muslim names and living in the West. Listen... there are 7 levels of heaven. You can have 7 all to yourself... being a fundamentalist. We'll prefer the lower heaven since we wont have to see the likes of you radical weirdoes. People want freedom to be as religious as they want... not what some old talibon forces them to be. Look at Egyt... I have family from there... we don't want radicals in power.... the people have spoken... or were you under a rock? Same goes for Turkey!!! Leave Islam out of the Government... Turkey was doing just fine without Shariah law. You know how many friends I have from Turkey who say they don't believe in god? Many! Yet, if you ask what religion... they say Muslim. So a Turkish Muslim that doesn't believe in Allah is common from Turkey. They are still part of Islamic culture and my brothers :)
I am looking at facebook right now. It's Ramadan. Some of us are fasting (like me) some of us are not. Some of my muslim family and frineds are even posting pictures of drinking alcohol and having parties in the day. Myself, I stay away from alcohol and enjoy fasting. Just because people are not fasting and drinking alcohol... does not mean they are not "real" Muslims. They are still Muslims, from Muslim countries, with Muslim names and living in the West. Listen... there are 7 levels of heaven. You can have 7 all to yourself... being a fundamentalist. We'll prefer the lower heaven since we wont have to see the likes of you radical weirdoes. People want freedom to be as religious as they want... not what some old talibon forces them to be. Look at Egyt... I have family from there... we don't want radicals in power.... the people have spoken... or were you under a rock? Same goes for Turkey!!! Leave Islam out of the Government... Turkey was doing just fine without Shariah law. You know how many friends I have from Turkey who say they don't believe in god? Many! Yet, if you ask what religion... they say Muslim. So a Turkish Muslim that doesn't believe in Allah is common from Turkey. They are still part of Islamic culture and my brothers :)...............
Just worry about yourself and your family.Thanks. These Muslim girls also post practically naked pics on facebook too :( They think they are good Muslims because they are brown with a muslim name lol yet don't practice anything... not even eating halal :(
Your not responsible for the actions of every muslim in the world.Lets say every muslim on this earth drank alcohol or didn't fast, its still unacceptable and God will not reward you for breaking his commands.
If people knew the benefits of fasting they would love to do it.Fasting one day takes you away from the hell 70 years.The Is a door of heaven called "al rayan", that door is for the fasting person.
Trying to improve the conditions of ourselves and stop worrying about what other people are doing. One day they will meet there creator and he will judge them.
Thanks. These Muslim girls also post practically naked pics on facebook too :( They think they are good Muslims because they are brown with a muslim name lol yet don't practice anything... not even eating halal :(
Why did the prophet (pbuh) destory the idols at macca? That's not respect. Issa would never do that and teaches to love one another. There are so many ways the prophet (pbuh) could have not destroy all the idols at mecca. Why? Why? what kind of teaching is that? no respect :(
Why did the prophet (pbuh) destory the idols at macca? That's not respect. Issa would never do that and teaches to love one another. There are so many ways the prophet (pbuh) could have not destroy all the idols at mecca. Why? Why? what kind of teaching is that? no respect :(
Mate, get off the drugs your taking.
Many prophets broke idols, Prophet abraham broke idols.
Oh... well if others did it too, then I guess it's ok. I take it you're doing lines of cocaine and having a lot of promiscuous sex, right? After all, others do those things...Axo. Thank you for your intention. As a born muslim I feel more connection to you than ahmed here. Ok. I know ahmed means well. But I was born into islam. That's all know. Whatever. Muslims just Killing Muslims. I am so sick of it. If you lived in a war zone you would know. Sorry Ahmed. I love Islam. I love everything. If you want to be serious. Just pm me and I will be serious. islam is crazy azzz sheeet Khuda Hafez. Or as they say in Pakistan Allah Haffiz. I mean com'N do you want want me to name all of Shiah family... any sect ask me brother... anythig. ok sing alphanbet... alif bah... taaaa... thaaa... jeeemm.. haaa... kaaa... what's the point? every muslim know arabic alphabet song from day one. Khuda Hafez brother as they say in arabic :) Thank allah for all our intentions. the all might allah sees all :)
My friend is hindu. He has a world religion degree. Phd. The only religion he's against is islam. He told me that the qur'an is fake. He is an expert and studied many religion. How do you think experts come to the conclusion that the qur'an is fake? He preaches to people and gives this warning: ''islam is a very dangerous religion'' and it is!!! He told me how they kill many hindu in India. And about mhula war lords with bandits that will put a knife to your throat and make you say ''shahada'' and make you muslim :( he told me how everyone in karala southern india get harrased because they catholic. And they also put knife to catholic and make them say ''shahada'' :(
Ok. Jesus is for me. Ppl were racist against me as a white muslim. That is all.
I found jesus. :) I used to be Muslim. That is all.
I found jesus. :) I used to be Muslim. That is all.
I found jesus. :) I used to be Muslim. That is all.
Jesus walks the Earth and came to Me because he cares. So he does care. And I didn't really have to look hard to find him. It just happened =)
Omg
Is jesus back?
Can I have his number?
Nah, just read ur qur'an. ISSA (jesus) is there too. Sa la la alay wa salam =)
HAHAHA, Loco you are so pathetic man, stop humiliating yourself with this stupid troll. You're busted already, stop this charade. Trying so hard recently to show you're desi now? I thought you were Ukranian? Anyways seems like your English has improved in the other sections lol.what do local indian ppl have to do with it? I like Desi girls btw. Desi girls are very nice. So you laugh at my intention hmm. Anyway peace be upon Issa for you and for me Jesus lord and savior =) my Bengali g.f. Converted to Christian btw. She did along time ago but it was a secret. Now that I converted she is open about and more confident. She has been talking to me about Jesus for years. I would deny and say: ''oh my Bengali princess Issa is a prophet'' she would tell me no and about if you have Jesus in your heart you will go to heaven. I am happy with Jesus. We both are converts now =) you are either in the book of life or you are not. Hope this helps.
Trollolol
what do local indian ppl have to do with it? I like Desi girls btw. Desi girls are very nice. So you laugh at my intention hmm. Anyway peace be upon Issa for you and for me Jesus lord and savior =) my Bengali g.f. Converted to Christian btw. She did along time ago but it was a secret. Now that I converted she is open about and more confident. She has been talking to me about Jesus for years. I would deny and say: ''oh my Bengali princess Issa is a prophet'' she would tell me no and about if you have Jesus in your heart you will go to heaven. I am happy with Jesus. We both are converts now =) you are either in the book of life or you are not. Hope this helps.
And why you keep saying loco? That mean crazy in espanole. Haha maybe you loco man haha like all white muslim convert very loco hehe =)
I was intrigued how this young man could treat me with the same respect he does his own mother.
Well probably a reflection of her own experience of the moral decline in the UK and in the west in general. Lack of family values, treating elderly with respect rather than dumping them in 'nursing homes' which are practically prisons.
That's just one bit to her experience.
After all our religion teaches family cohesion and respect of parents and elderly. It's a vital teaching and the media never focuses on what our religion teaches rather it tries to create drama.
In fact, the importance of treating the parents well comes second to worshipping God. We are to obey them and treat them with kindness and not speak ill to them even an uff. The only time we are to disobey them is if they ask us to disobey God or follow falsehood. Still even in those circumstances we are to treat them with respect and kindess.
The mother for example is another element that islam teaches to respect. A woman is of high caliber and status but the media does not want to showcase those teachings of Islam. They will focus on village idiots following tribal customs and traditions where women are treated like garbage.
A mother after all carries us 9 months in her womb, takes care of us, nourishes us, raises us.
Something that can't be said equally about western children growing up now a days Godless. I remember back in high school how kids were, and today they are far worse... The media has a big role in it for sure (movies, music and the like). The attitude, the disrespect, the rebellion, the whole lot. Respect of family, parents and elderly has been lost overall in the moral decline of the social fabric in the west.
No problem. I love Iftari. I love iftari!!!!!!!! I have no problem with Islam :) so many dishes lol You see. I know. I can still hang out but the radicals turned me off :( anyway will always love Islamic but I am a better Christian :) so, enjoy ur iftar :)
So there aren't radical Christians? Then how about Anders Breivik? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Christianity)
Every religion attracts people with radical mindsets, but don't blame a certain religion for this.
Absolutely there are radical Christians out there, but the term "Christian" is used rather loosely. First question I ask is whether or not the person, family, group, church, community truly represents Christ. We all make mistakes here and there, but I what I mean goes beyond that simple notion. Are these folks living out the will of Christ or are they nominal Christians hiding behind a name supporting an agenda not of Christ?
The Westboro Baptist Church is an example of radical "Christians".
Tonight I had the privilege of listening to Arnoud Van Dourn live. Amazing speech/lecture.
Brief one hour on his biography, background, family, upbringing, involvment in Dutch politics and finally his coming to Islam and his current activities. Can't wait to post it once someone uploads it. Lots of people were recording. I wasn't recording.
Tomorrow he's speaking as well at another event my wife and I will be attending (big islamic conference this weekend).
Oh ok, so you're a gh15 troll now? That makes sense with the fake broken English ::) Stick to your clear caucasian English. The game of you pretending to be a broken English speaking fob is over bud. Broken English is just making you sound confusing. Not sure if it's your drinking problem that's causing all this. "like we say"... please stop trying to act like you're pakistani or arab already. It's not making you any more of an authentic muslim or ex-muslim. You forgot to throw in some more arabic words, like shish kabab and fattoush. It'll make you even more authentic.
Now if you'll excuse me time for iftar inshAllah :)
Was he in Canada on a speaking tour?
Ya I listened to him last night, I will be going to another location where he'll be speaking as well with Yvonne Ridley and Abdur Raheem Green. It starts 2:45pm eastern time.
Just getting in my protein in and heading out the house for the conference (already going on since the morning)
I'm sure the videos will be uploaded by the Canadian Dawah Association from the event yesterday and of course the conference today. Once it's made available I'll post it inshAllah.
One of his current projects is that he has started a Islamic political party of Holland and is working on that to have a voice for Muslims in Holland. Winning seats would mean muslims would be represented. As the anti-islam geert wilders party has alot of seats and is quite a menace in spreading hate. He talked about how when before he even became vice president of the party how they trained him and their tactics in how to use the media to abuse islam and lie about islam and convince people in the lies of the anti-islam party.
He also talked about how when he started asking critical questions and started reading the qur'an how geert wilders was angry and didn't like the points he was bringing about. For example how geert wilders was misquoting the qur'an and cherry picking not only verses out of context but not quoting the verses entirely amongst other things.
Basically from the beginning he was convinced what geert wilders and the anti-islam party were doing as 'truth' but as he started being more involved and learning he started finding out this isn't the truth and he clearly has an ulterior agenda, not in spreading truth in the matter but fueling hate and spreading lies about Islam. He was uncomfortable with this.
So as things are he is working on fighting islamophobia which is very widespread in Europe especially in the Netherlands and undoing the damage he has done through being vice president and PR person to the anti-islam party of geert wilders. Geert Wilders and Arnoud have not spoken ever since he has left the party. Basically as he put it. Once you leave the party you are no body and they don't know you, a traitor and they wanted nothing to do with him.
He felt inside all that they were doing was obviously wrong and even though that was his living salary he decided he has to stand up for the truth and Allah (swt) will provide a means for him and his sustenance so he gave up his position and salary obviously for the truth. What good is an income which is based from evil.
Anyways the whole talk the way he elborates everything is much better than the way I can put it. So when the video is made available I will post it inshAllah
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Anyone can post the stories of converts to any religion: Christianity (including converts from Islam), Buddhism, Judaism, and even Scientology. What does that prove?
In addition,
1. The "thousands" of "Orthodox" Jews demonstrating against Israel were from the Neteurei Karta, a cult with a few thousand adherents worldwide. Almost all other Orthodox Jews support Israel;
2. The idea that Jews and Muslims lived together in peace prior to the creation of the state of Israel is nonsense. The Turkish Caliph collaborated with the Nazis against Jews who lived under Turkish rule. Once Israel was established, 99% of all Jews living in Islamic countries in the Middle East fled there.
3. The Trinity is a sacred concept within Christianity. You show it no respect, as you show all religions besides Islam no respect. Who the hell do you think you are?
4. Jews, like Muslims, Christians, and almost everyone else, have a mixed genetic heritage. I believe you yourself are a convert to Islam.
Someone else posted the thought that all of your pro-Islam sound and fury is really an attempt to convince yourself of the wonders of Islam. Sounds right.
Is it working?
Whats it to you if people want to talk about there religion?
This is the religious section and members can talk about any religious issues they have.
If members want to post about reverts to Buddhism or christinaity then they are welcome.
The trinity is a false concept and that's why people are leaving there religion and coming to islam, so islam is working. Trinity does not deserve respect because the trinity is man made and is not from God.
Go ahead, towel head. "Talk" about your fascist faith.
Thanks for validating my point about the insults to Christianity that you and your fellow traveler have posted.
Now, kindly go to Hell in a handbasket. Look that one up.
And there's a book I can recommend that may benefit you: "Johnny Learns to Spell."
Like your faith brethren in Iran, I am in favor of only peaceful uses of nuclear power.
So, back to he subject at hand, funny how killing people always seems to come up in these discussions of Islam.
Allah is a harsh taskmaster indeed. And by "Allah" I don't mean the Christian God.
I've read others using "sook"....had to google that one LOL. Not a common term used in the US.
This is the religious debates section of getbig.
Not sure why your having a sook about members discussing religious aspects in the appropriate section.
Its not the Christian debate section, its the religious section.
Your "debates" are not discussions on the doctrines of various faiths, but simply a succession of posts on why Islam is the only true faith, coupled with attacks on other faiths and their practitioners.
In any case, Christianity qualifies as a religion. Just in case you did not know that.
I know its a religion, if you go over my previous posts I said I welcome Christians posting in this section.
If you want to keep sooking then take it up with the mods, and maybe we can open a section just to please you.
Former British soldier embraced Islam and is now inviting others to Islam:
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Must watch:
75% of Converts to Islam leave Islam
http://councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4198.0
I know many converts and none have ever left islam.
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Sure...sure...
There are a billion people in this world, and only 150 people who had muslims sounding names in the area of Chicago were interviewed.
And the majority of those who leave are fucked up mental criminals anyway, the normal civilised people who are converts stay in islam.
And most converts follow the nation of islam who are not muslims anyway but have deviated from muslims teachings.
There are a billion people in this world, and only 150 people who had muslims sounding names in the area of Chicago were interviewed.
And the majority of those who leave are fucked up mental criminals anyway, the normal civilised people who are converts stay in islam.
And most converts follow the nation of islam who are not muslims anyway but have deviated from muslims teachings.
I read of how upset Aisha, his 9 year old bride, would become when Muhammad would insult her and women in general when he compared them to dogs and donkeys.
There's a thread for the 'ex mozzzlemz' this is not the same topic so please kindly post in that thread.
Secondly, I just read this honk of crap, WOW:
So both Aisha 'getting upset' at something that never happened and something that never happened. VERY CREDIBLE STORIES. Please... spare me the crap. Nor would the prophet (pbuh) hit any women nor would he insult any women especially his wives. So this is just the typical propaganda filth for ignorant people who are fear mongered into fearing Islam.
Guess what, women are still embracing Islam in a higher percentage than men.
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Spreading garbage against Islam is not stopping the spread of Islam. Alhamdulillah. All praise be to God for the mercy of Islam for all of mankind and wretched is the fate of liars :)
There's a thread for the 'ex mozzzlemz' this is not the same topic so please kindly post in that thread.
Secondly, I just read this honk of crap, WOW:
So both Aisha 'getting upset' at something that never happened and something that never happened. VERY CREDIBLE STORIES. Please... spare me the crap. Nor would the prophet (pbuh) hit any women nor would he insult any women especially his wives. So this is just the typical propaganda filth for ignorant people who are fear mongered into fearing Islam.
Guess what, women are still embracing Islam in a higher percentage than men.
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Spreading garbage against Islam is not stopping the spread of Islam. Alhamdulillah. All praise be to God for the mercy of Islam for all of mankind and wretched is the fate of liars :)
From a Canadian convert to Islam:
The following is my personal story in brief as it relates to Islam. I am a 40 year old Canadian-born male. I was raised in a relatively average-sized middle class family in the suburbs. I am most grateful to my parents for the genuine care they were able to give me, and for not forcing any beliefs on me. In retrospect, the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s were very interesting times for me personally. During my childhood, adolescence, and young adulthood, I was able to experience and observe a great deal. Later in life I traveled fairly broadly both domestically and internationally, and when the bulk of my travels were over, I completed my chosen profession and am now self-employed.
I was not born into Islam. I converted to Islam – twice. The first time in my early-twenties, the second time in my mid-thirties. On both occasions I stayed in the religion for approximately two years. The main reason that I “returned to Islam” a second time was that “its fear” was so deeply implanted in my mind and I had not fully faced and broken free from it. My time spent in Islam and my many experiences during these four years were truly informative and profoundly disturbing on the whole. I personally believe that one cannot fully comprehend what Islam entails unless they have lived the life of a Muslim – which I have. I converted to Islam the first time while living in Canada. I converted to Islam the second time while traveling in an Islamic country.
The first time I “turned to Islam,” I was considering many things in life that were fairly new to me – politics, religion, art, to name just a few. In general, I was curious and wanted answers to my many questions. I wanted to find things out for myself. I had a passionate desire to discover the meaning of life, as it were. At this time, I “discovered Islam” and “Muhammad’s Qur'an.” These were the days when Islam was not as well-known in the West as it is today. Looking back it is embarrassing to see how much of an impact its “threats and promised rewards” had on me. The following is also embarrassing to admit: although I never “acted out,” I also had the experience of being radicalized for a short time by Islam’s texts and traditions, as so many young men do.
With this being said, I believe that I can genuinely claim to have considerable insight into Islam and the various effects Islam has on people. Any experienced, informed person knows for certain how dangerous Islam’s texts and teachings can be when Muslims are confronted with corruption and life’s complexities. Merely as a point of fact, it is interesting to note that though most Muslims are not terrorists, most terrorists are Muslims. Jihad, the Islamic concept, is responsible for almost all of the terrorist attacks in the modern world. Why? These religious fanatics conducting Jihadist warfare are merely obeying Islam’s texts and following the example set by Muhammad, period. Muhammad was a man of war who often spread his religion through warfare. Muhammad himself was a participant in 78 battles, 77 of which were offensive, not defensive. The early Islamic sources themselves tell the true story of Muhammad and his Islam. The idea that “Islam is the religion of peace” is transparently absurd. No other major religion incites its adherents to commit acts of violence to the extent that Islam incites Muslims. Attempting to deny these facts would be grossly disingenuous. The Jihad Doctrine and Islamic Supremacism now poses a serious threat to all peoples and nations. I will be addressing these subjects further in Parts 3 and 4.
Getting back to my story… over time and with much practice, study, and consideration of Islam, it became apparent to me that the fundamental claims of this religion were false. In retrospect, I behaved very foolishly attempting to practice and promote this religion. My “embracing of Islam” was simply a matter of being under-informed and self-dishonest. Ibn Warraq’s book, Why I am not a Muslim, and the books of other great writers which critique Islam objectively helped me further understand that Islam is not what it claims to be. After much diligent study and experience, I have reached the conclusion that Islam can not be reformed, and should therefore be discredited and abandoned. Many good and well-meaning people are duped by this fraudulent religion. It is my contention that honest people leave Islam once they become fully informed – I personally cannot comprehend how any person, in good conscious, could remain an adherent of this religion.
My Muslim “friends” turned their backs on me when I left Islam. So be it. Turned out not to be my friends at all. Due to Islam’s ridiculous black and white, us versus them world view, it would obviously be unwise to trust these people, so I completely severed all ties with them. Though I still have to look over my shoulder on occasion and prefer to avoid those Muslims that I once knew personally, living in Canada I have it easy in comparison to those individuals who renounce Islam in Muslim-majority countries. To say the least, I am now very happy with my life and my decision to have walked away from Islam entirely. Having known many inherently decent “Muslim people,” it has been truly sad to have personally watched Islam twist so many minds, hearts, and families.
I do not credit Islam for the good character of people who happen to be Muslim. I think that they have become good people in spite of Islam. Those who have lived in the Muslim community and been able to retain their honesty and rationality know that Islam has done far more harm than it has good. Islam should not be judged by those Muslims who happen to be “well-functioning;” one needs to study the reality of Islam in far more depth to understand it. This point and its implications cannot be over-emphasized.
Many people convert to Islam because they sincerely want to do the greatest amount of good possible in the world, and they think that in Islam, “they have found their horse,” as the saying goes. This was one of the main reasons that I became a Muslim. The “honeymoon phase of the romance with Islam” soon fades though, as one grapples with their self-honesty and learns the implications of Islamic ideology. “In Islam,” MUSLIM MALES are the privileged few – ALL others must be below them – both in terms of legal and social status. The fact is – Islamic theology and civilization are incompatible with Western notions of equality of rights for all people. Freedom of speech and freedom of conscience are also SEVERELY lacking in Islam. Due to Islamic theology, it is virtually impossible for Muslims to live in peace, as equals, on an indefinite basis, with non-Muslims.
The above statements are not merely matters of opinion and theory – they are indisputable facts. Please do not forget the fact that the penalty for those Muslims who simply choose to leave Islam is death, and that the Qur'an advocates killing non-believers. Keep in mind that Islam is not a race of people – Islam is just another religion – so know that Islamic apologists who attempt to play the race card against those who criticize Islam play a bogus red herring. I hope that you will take the time to study these matters for yourself if you care about the future of our country and its children. There are now an estimated 900,000 people in Canada claiming Islam as their religion (approximately 2.5 percent of the population). We need to make ourselves aware of the implications this has for our society.
When the Muslim population in any given host country reaches 10 percent, without exception serious problems manifest. What is happening now in many European countries including France, England, Germany, The Netherlands, Denmark and others is cause for grave concern. The term Eurabia is now being used to describe the phenomenon due to Islamic historian Bat Ye’or’s eye-opening scholarship. The author of Infidel and The Caged Virgin, former Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali, also effectively addresses these matters in her many great works. European politician and freedom of speech advocate Geert Wilders’ controversial short film Fitna is another important work that gives much insight into the reality of the serious problems being created by Islam in modern Europe.
This entire religion is based on the word of one man. MOHAMMED. Islam is Muhammad’s “religion.” Islam is Muhammadanism. In order to gain the followers needed to fulfill his PATHOLOGICAL, NARCISSISTIC DESIRES, Muhammad merely added some of the respectable traditions he borrowed from the various faiths that he had encountered to his powerful poetry and created Islam. Islam is grounded in fear and has prevented critical analysis of its doctrine by killing those who dare to refute its claims – this is how the religion has been able to survive and grow so large over time.
Like a true dictator, Muhammad demanded total obedience and unquestioning devotion. Islam is in fact FAR MORE than merely a religion. Islam is a complete societal system encompassing all aspects of the public and private lives of its adherents. Islam is not just a religion: It is a political doctrine that imposes itself by force. Muhammad’s Islam is a totalitarian ideology by definition. Such was the nature of Muhammad’s illness. Ex-Muslim Dr. Ali Sina, a Canadian of Iranian descent and director of FaithFreedomInternationa l.org, documents the full breadth of Muhammad’s illness in his MUST-READ landmark book – Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography. Here is a link to a review of Dr. Sina's book. And Robert Spencer, director of JihadWatch.com, thoroughly documents the life and influence of Muhammad in his meticulously factual book – The Truth about Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion. In truth, Muhammad was nothing more than a deeply disturbed, deceitful charlatan.
My fellow Canadians, please study and consider Islam thoroughly if you disagree with my claims and care about these issues. Muslims need to be shocked with the truth in order to shed their fear of pathetic little Muhammad and his disgusting cult of Islam. Political correctness needs to be thrown out the window in these matters. Attacking Islam does not create more terrorists, though it may prevent decent Muslims from doing something stupid for it makes them question Islam, and think about their own lives, and goodness. Islam thrives on, and can only survive on ignorance, fear, and lies. Of course there are moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam. By claiming the Islamic religion to be legitimate, “the moderates” unwittingly lend support and approval to “the fundamentalists.” This, in my opinion, is an enormous tragedy, for it ensures the continuation of this illegitimate religion. Here is a link to a video that proves that Islam is indeed a cult.
Islamic authenticity is an oxymoron. Muhammad’s foremost accomplishments in life were “delivering the Qur'an to mankind,” LOL, and becoming the despotic war lord of Arabia. Muhammad’s actions and advice to mankind have been carefully recorded by his loyal followers. These are the essential facts and the starting point from which one must begin to enquire into Islam. Islam’s own texts state that Muhammad was a mass murderer, a paedophile, a thief, and a slave trader. Muhammad claimed that all of these deeds were approved of by God. Again, these are indisputable facts that I will prove in Part 3 of this site with quotes from Islamic texts and analysis of Islamic theology. As we shall see, it is not possible for any person of sound heart and mind to believe that Muhammad was the messenger of God whose example is to be followed. It is not possible, that if there actually is a God of some sort, that this God is Muhammad’s Allah, and that this God would want human beings to enforce this fundamentally unjust religion.
In its fourteen hundred year old history, Islam has been directly responsible for the violent deaths of hundreds of millions of people (many of them Muslims), and has literally and figuratively enslaved hundreds of millions more. Guided by Muhammad’s perverse creed, Muslims have for centuries enforced its violent mandates. Islam’s own texts mandate that it is the obligation of Muslims to subjugate all non-Muslim peoples and all non-Islamic lands under Islamic rule, and that this goal must be accomplished through force if other prescribed means fail. Islam has proven to be an utter failure since its inception. For example, three of Islam’s first four caliphs were assassinated by their fellow Muslims. Despite his reputation as the “Kind Trusty One,” Muhammad was in fact a deeply disturbed criminal who suffered from severe mental illness and betrayed his followers leaving them an untenable mess.
Through the forced conversion of innumerable lands and peoples, Islam has destroyed and assimilated many dynamic cultures and then attempted to take credit for their achievements. For one to be learned in Islamic theology and Islamic history and to still have respect for Islam and its prophet Muhammad, one must become a liar themselves. Of course Muslims will deny all of these indisputable facts, BECAUSE, IF YOU DON’T ALREADY KNOW:
Muslims are never, ever wrong! LOL. Muslims will always blame the other party for all of their ills!! Muslims will rarely if ever admit that any Muslim in all of history has ever made a mistake!!! Muslims can never acknowledge that it is Islam that is the root cause of their problems. Muslims must always play the victim. Following the advice of their prophet Muhammad the perfect man, Muslims typically cheat their way through life looking for a short cut to Muhammad’s paradise to enjoy its promised goodies. Muslims also subscribe to the most ludicrous of conspiratorial fantasies and cling to them like grim death. Muslims are even allowed to lie and deceive people – lying to further Islam’s goals (Taqiyya: religious deception) is approved of by Muhammad. After all, Muslims are God’s favourite creatures who deserve and demand special privileges! In fact, they demand the whole of the earth – including Canada – which they must consider non-Islamic, Infidel, Kaffir Lands! And don’t you dare breathe an ill whisper of their saintly prophet! Or you will face the full wrath and intimidation of these Righteous Bullies!! Don’t you dare mess with Allah’s warriors!!!......yyyyeah. How pathetic. What uncivilized “men.” It is truly bizarre what Muhammad and his Islam have done to people. The displacement of responsibility among Muslims has reached astounding heights of absurdity. This madness must come to an end.
The real Islam, with its doctrine of Islamic Supremacy. With its open-ended mandate to make war against and subjugate unbelievers. The mainstream Islam, whose tenets advocate violence against non-Muslims to further its goals – not the wishful thinking fantasy feel-good Islam built on lies – is a treacherous wolf in sheep’s clothing. Ultimately, as Islamic history and Islamic theological analysis show us, Islam and its barbaric view of life is simply not fit for human beings. I actively encourage Muslims to leave the hateful, sick fold of Islam – to walk away and cut ties with this cult of doom – to free themselves from having to live a lie – Muhammad’s cruel lie. As a decent human being of integrity, I feel it is my responsibility to make the effort. Not to do so would be shameful. Fortunately, the long suppressed facts of the cult of Muhammad and its horrendous ideology are finally becoming widely known. In Parts 3 and 4 of this web site, I will prove that Islam is a fraud.
Another dark secret about Islam that Muslim's prefer to deny is the fact that they are lying to themselves when they perform Salat (the Islamic prayer preformed 5 times a day). I have performed Salat innumerable times in mosques throughout the world as well as in private. Looking back my self-dishonestly was ridiculous. This ritual like many other Islamic rituals are an insincere joke. This is just another way that sick little Muhammad kept Muslims docile while he selfishly went about getting what he wanted. Muslims are also commonly thrown into a state of conflict when they think bad things about Allah and Muhammad. Ironically, this is needed medicine for it helps break the hold this cult has over them.
There is much more I could relate of my personal story and experience as it relates to Islam, but I have decided that the above is sufficient. This is not a lengthy site in general. There are many other excellent resources available for study of these matters. I will not state which province I reside in or whether I am a black, white, brown, yellow, or red man. I’ll let the small minds of the deluded Islamists speculate. LOL. Educated Muslims are now leaving Islam in droves. To be honest, who in their right mind would choose to raise their kids in Islam? The process of indoctrinating children with Islam is deplorable. We Canadians must defend ourselves against the menace that is Islam.
-- http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org/myStory.html
what a coincidence.
All these people quote ibn warrag as why they left islam.
Did you write these stories gonuclear?
No, they do not quote him as to the why.
The two posted are sourced at the bottom of the text. You know very well I did not write them.
More coming.
lol stories written by hate filled islamophobes. Lol at quoting Ali Hirsi who has been humiliated by Dutch Journaliusts and exposed for being a fraud.
No 'gonuclear' this is a thread for those who embraced islam and are muslim not for your hate spewing.
Go post these 'wonderful' ex mozzlem fiction pieces in the 'converts from islam' thread.
Thank you kindly mr hater :)
lol i think you have some English comprehension skill problems. "People who have become Muslim" is not a thread for people who have converted from Islam whatever their case.
There is an appropriate thread for those who have left Islam and you are more than welcome to post in that thread in fact I bumped it for you. Unless your intentions are clearly to derail this thread out of hate. If you want to inform people of those who have 'left' islam, you can post in that thread and not in this thread where people embrace Islam.
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A "Typical" American Police Supervisor Finds Islam...
Impressed by My Friend's Wisdom and Patience
My name is William, and I live in a large Midwestern city in the United States.
I am a typical American in many ways that are reflected in both my professional and personal lives. Professionally, I am a supervisor with a major police department, and I have been in the military, both active duty and in the reserves for the majority of my adult life.
Personally, I live in the suburbs with my wife and child, drive a pickup truck and occasionally wear cowboy boots. I pay my bills, treat my neighbors well, and prior to my reversion/conversion to Islam, I followed my religion in the manner in which I had been instructed.
As I said, my life was that of a typical American, with my main concerns being the little details of everyday life that everyone worries about. Little did I know that my religious beliefs would take me out of the “typical” life that I lead, and that they would instead become a major factor in my life, providing me with a sense of peace and completion that only a short time before I would not have thought possible.
My journey to Islam began with my association, and later friendship, with a man named Nasir. I met Nasir through work in the late 1980’s, and was impressed with his manners and the way that he treated me. I had met very few Muslims, and I was always a little uneasy around them as I was not sure how they would accept me.
Besides having the appearance of a pickup-driving-shotgun-toting-redneck, I was also a Jew, and the combination often seemed to unsettle people. Nasir, however, took everything in stride, and as a result a friendship slowly bloomed. Through Nasir, I really formed my first impressions of Islam and its adherents.
Over the years I watched how Nasir dealt with different situations, and was constantly impressed with the wisdom and patience that he displayed when he was dealing with difficult people or situations. He always took the high road, even at times when I, if I had been in the same situation, would have been tempted to treat the persons differently.
If I asked him why he did certain things, he would tell me a bit of wisdom which guided his actions. Most of these, (I realized later), were direct or indirect quotes from the Quran, which he told me not in a proselytizing way, but in a gentle manner as if he were teaching a child the proper way to conduct itself in the world.
In fact, prior to reading the Quran, I often marveled at how one person could be so wise and knowledgeable! Little did I know that those guiding principles were written down where I or anyone else could read them. I realize now how blessed I am that I was exposed to Islam and Muslims in such a positive way.
Around the winter of 2000, I began to have a serious interest in Islam. I read the Quran, but could not seem to fully understand it. Despite this difficulty, I continued to have a nagging feeling that I should continue, and so I studied other books about Islam. I learned a great deal, but in an academic and not in a spiritual way.
I double checked the dates of many of the modern “discoveries” that had been addressed in the Quran, and was astounded at what I found.
Again I attempted to read and understand the Quran, and again I had difficulties. I finally resolved to ask Nasir for help, and then the 9-11 incident happened. Suddenly I had a host of new worries, and I put my questions on hold. During this time period, I had a great deal of exposure to Islam, however very little of it was put to me in a positive manner.
As a police supervisor, I was constantly receiving warnings about perceived Islamic threats, and as an officer in the reserves I was around people who perceived Islam as a direct threat and Muslims as possible enemies. So, to my shame, I continued to wait and kept my studies on the Islamic world to those areas that directly influenced my professional life.
Then, in the late summer of 2004, that nagging feeling that had persisted suddenly intensified, and I finally asked Nasir for guidance. He told me about the tenets of his faith, and about the nature of the Quran. More importantly, he told me how crucial Islam was to his life, and how strongly he believed in it, not only as the word of God, but as the way in which man was meant to live.
He and his brother Riyadh then provided me with booklets about Islam that had answers to many of the questions that I had. With this knowledge in hand, I again approached the Quran, and suddenly found that it was not only readable, but that it made sense! I can only think that either I was not mentally ‘ready’ before, or that I simply needed the extra input in order to properly understand and process the information. Either way, I read and re-read everything that I had been provided, and then double checked the facts that had been presented to me. The more I read, the more amazed I was.
I found that the information that was in the Quran would have been impossible for Muhammad to have known had he not been a Prophet. Not only would it have been impossible for a man of his background and geographic location to have known many of these things, it would have been impossible for anyone of his time-period to have known them. I double checked the dates of many of the modern “discoveries” that had been addressed in the Quran, and was astounded at what I found. Not only did the Quran contain information that was centuries ahead of its time, but it did so with details, many of which could not have been known until this century.
I did not receive any new information or beliefs, but was instead capable of understanding that which I had already learned.
I became convinced that Muhammad was indeed a Prophet that had been inspired by God through his angel. Despite this, I still faced a dilemma. Although I now believed that Muhammad was a Prophet, I still was confused about what to do. Everything that I had ever believed was suddenly turned upside down, and I was at a loss for an explanation.
That night I prayed for guidance and understanding. I only believed in one god, but I wanted to know the manner in which I should hold that belief. The prayer was simple, but heartfelt, and I went to sleep full of hope that I would receive an understanding of the situation. When I awoke, I did so with the feeling that I had experienced an epiphany.
Everything was suddenly clear, and I understood how all the things that I had practiced before were simply observances that had been contrived by man in an attempt to follow religious principles that had changed over the millennia. I did not receive any new information or beliefs, but was instead capable of understanding that which I had already learned. I felt exhilarated, happy and at peace, and that morning I said the shahadah.
I told Nasir, and he took me to a nearby mosque for the Friday prayers. At the mosque I was lead to the front by Nasir, and I told the assembled congregation about why I had come there. Then Nasir and the Iman helped me repeat the profession of faith in Arabic.
Although I was a little nervous, the joy I felt upon doing this far outweighed any other feelings that I had. Afterwards, I was welcomed by the majority of the members in a manner that was so welcoming that I can hardly describe it. Most of the congregation shook my hand and welcomed me to Islam, and many of them offered to help me or to answer any questions that I might have. It was a wonderful experience which I will never forget.
In closing, let me say that the feeling of peace that came over me is still with me, and although I am still very early in the learning stages, I am happy and confident that I made the right decision. I am still a redneck-looking, pickup truck-driving, typical American.
Only now I am a Muslim American, and with the continued guidance and assistance of people like Nasir and Riyadh, I hope to one day set as good an example for others and they have been for me.
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A "Typical" American Police Supervisor Finds Islam...
Impressed by My Friend's Wisdom and Patience
My name is William, and I live in a large Midwestern city in the United States.
I am a typical American in many ways that are reflected in both my professional and personal lives. Professionally, I am a supervisor with a major police department, and I have been in the military, both active duty and in the reserves for the majority of my adult life.
Personally, I live in the suburbs with my wife and child, drive a pickup truck and occasionally wear cowboy boots. I pay my bills, treat my neighbors well, and prior to my reversion/conversion to Islam, I followed my religion in the manner in which I had been instructed.
As I said, my life was that of a typical American, with my main concerns being the little details of everyday life that everyone worries about. Little did I know that my religious beliefs would take me out of the “typical” life that I lead, and that they would instead become a major factor in my life, providing me with a sense of peace and completion that only a short time before I would not have thought possible.
My journey to Islam began with my association, and later friendship, with a man named Nasir. I met Nasir through work in the late 1980’s, and was impressed with his manners and the way that he treated me. I had met very few Muslims, and I was always a little uneasy around them as I was not sure how they would accept me.
Besides having the appearance of a pickup-driving-shotgun-toting-redneck, I was also a Jew, and the combination often seemed to unsettle people. Nasir, however, took everything in stride, and as a result a friendship slowly bloomed. Through Nasir, I really formed my first impressions of Islam and its adherents.
Over the years I watched how Nasir dealt with different situations, and was constantly impressed with the wisdom and patience that he displayed when he was dealing with difficult people or situations. He always took the high road, even at times when I, if I had been in the same situation, would have been tempted to treat the persons differently.
If I asked him why he did certain things, he would tell me a bit of wisdom which guided his actions. Most of these, (I realized later), were direct or indirect quotes from the Quran, which he told me not in a proselytizing way, but in a gentle manner as if he were teaching a child the proper way to conduct itself in the world.
In fact, prior to reading the Quran, I often marveled at how one person could be so wise and knowledgeable! Little did I know that those guiding principles were written down where I or anyone else could read them. I realize now how blessed I am that I was exposed to Islam and Muslims in such a positive way.
Around the winter of 2000, I began to have a serious interest in Islam. I read the Quran, but could not seem to fully understand it. Despite this difficulty, I continued to have a nagging feeling that I should continue, and so I studied other books about Islam. I learned a great deal, but in an academic and not in a spiritual way.
I double checked the dates of many of the modern “discoveries” that had been addressed in the Quran, and was astounded at what I found.
Again I attempted to read and understand the Quran, and again I had difficulties. I finally resolved to ask Nasir for help, and then the 9-11 incident happened. Suddenly I had a host of new worries, and I put my questions on hold. During this time period, I had a great deal of exposure to Islam, however very little of it was put to me in a positive manner.
As a police supervisor, I was constantly receiving warnings about perceived Islamic threats, and as an officer in the reserves I was around people who perceived Islam as a direct threat and Muslims as possible enemies. So, to my shame, I continued to wait and kept my studies on the Islamic world to those areas that directly influenced my professional life.
Then, in the late summer of 2004, that nagging feeling that had persisted suddenly intensified, and I finally asked Nasir for guidance. He told me about the tenets of his faith, and about the nature of the Quran. More importantly, he told me how crucial Islam was to his life, and how strongly he believed in it, not only as the word of God, but as the way in which man was meant to live.
He and his brother Riyadh then provided me with booklets about Islam that had answers to many of the questions that I had. With this knowledge in hand, I again approached the Quran, and suddenly found that it was not only readable, but that it made sense! I can only think that either I was not mentally ‘ready’ before, or that I simply needed the extra input in order to properly understand and process the information. Either way, I read and re-read everything that I had been provided, and then double checked the facts that had been presented to me. The more I read, the more amazed I was.
I found that the information that was in the Quran would have been impossible for Muhammad to have known had he not been a Prophet. Not only would it have been impossible for a man of his background and geographic location to have known many of these things, it would have been impossible for anyone of his time-period to have known them. I double checked the dates of many of the modern “discoveries” that had been addressed in the Quran, and was astounded at what I found. Not only did the Quran contain information that was centuries ahead of its time, but it did so with details, many of which could not have been known until this century.
I did not receive any new information or beliefs, but was instead capable of understanding that which I had already learned.
I became convinced that Muhammad was indeed a Prophet that had been inspired by God through his angel. Despite this, I still faced a dilemma. Although I now believed that Muhammad was a Prophet, I still was confused about what to do. Everything that I had ever believed was suddenly turned upside down, and I was at a loss for an explanation.
That night I prayed for guidance and understanding. I only believed in one god, but I wanted to know the manner in which I should hold that belief. The prayer was simple, but heartfelt, and I went to sleep full of hope that I would receive an understanding of the situation. When I awoke, I did so with the feeling that I had experienced an epiphany.
Everything was suddenly clear, and I understood how all the things that I had practiced before were simply observances that had been contrived by man in an attempt to follow religious principles that had changed over the millennia. I did not receive any new information or beliefs, but was instead capable of understanding that which I had already learned. I felt exhilarated, happy and at peace, and that morning I said the shahadah.
I told Nasir, and he took me to a nearby mosque for the Friday prayers. At the mosque I was lead to the front by Nasir, and I told the assembled congregation about why I had come there. Then Nasir and the Iman helped me repeat the profession of faith in Arabic.
Although I was a little nervous, the joy I felt upon doing this far outweighed any other feelings that I had. Afterwards, I was welcomed by the majority of the members in a manner that was so welcoming that I can hardly describe it. Most of the congregation shook my hand and welcomed me to Islam, and many of them offered to help me or to answer any questions that I might have. It was a wonderful experience which I will never forget.
In closing, let me say that the feeling of peace that came over me is still with me, and although I am still very early in the learning stages, I am happy and confident that I made the right decision. I am still a redneck-looking, pickup truck-driving, typical American.
Only now I am a Muslim American, and with the continued guidance and assistance of people like Nasir and Riyadh, I hope to one day set as good an example for others and they have been for me.
Would you mind sourcing this? I am not saying it's fake, but the markings on the police car seem to be photoshopped, and that does not look like a police uniform. Plus, the oversized shades. Not to mention the reference to being a redneck with a shotgun and a Jew as well. Weird.
Ahmed just copy-pastes stuff uncritically. Makes for fun reading...
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Ahmed just copy-pastes stuff uncritically. Makes for fun reading...
Atleast people can follow basic instructions and post in the relevant threads.no names of course.
I don't think you understand how public fora, like this one, work.
^So she knew nothing about Islam, dated a guy which is against Islam, a guy that did not practice Islam, and 'became muslim' without knowing anything nor wanting to know or do anything. Great story. Seems like all these stories are written by the same angry person that knows nothing about Islam and always get spiced up with the same style of insults and slurs once the anger is vented.
MOS can you kindly move his posts in the appropriate thread relating to ex mozzlems.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=477475.0
^So she knew nothing about Islam, dated a guy which is against Islam, a guy that did not practice Islam, and 'became muslim' without knowing anything nor wanting to know or do anything. Great story. Seems like all these stories are written by the same angry person that knows nothing about Islam and always get spiced up with the same style of insults and slurs once the anger is vented.
MOS can you kindly move his posts in the appropriate thread relating to ex mozzlems.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=477475.0
"White Widow" Samantha Lewthwaite
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I wonder if Ahmed will condemn terrorism in general and the Kenya attacks in particular, considering that they were made in the name of his religion (whether his religion calls for this kind of attack or not is irrelevant, but let's assume that it doesn't), and whether he can condemn them without ifs, ands or buts about how evil the United States are, and blah blah blah.
Kenyan authorities say no concret evidence of mrs lewthwaite
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/kenya-mall-attack-samantha-lewthwaite-al-shabaab
Lets even assume she was involved in the mall attack,
-Where is her body?
-If she was in the mall, how did she escape from hundreds of soldiers who surrounded the building?
People who have "become" anything are idiots. Beliefs should be like fingerprints. I am confident that I am a good person.
1. Are you saying that one should never change one's opinion on anything?How does one change beliefs in the first place? Find the face of Jesus on a slice of toast? Maybe they are angry at "god" for a bad streak in life?
2. What's morality to do with how fixed our beliefs should be?
How does one change beliefs in the first place?
Morality has always been tied to religion. If we are good little boys and girls, we will go to that special place reserved by that religion of choice. I am just going to live my life, and let the dominoes fall where they may.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم (In the name of God the most merciful, the most compassionate)
2:1 Alif, Lam, Meem.
2:2 This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -
2:3 Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,
2:4 And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].
2:5 Those are upon right guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.
2:6 Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
In Islam we turn to God at all times, in remembrance and gratefulness, regardless of good times or bad times.
Speaking of your drugs' comparison, there are good drugs and bad drugs. Medications which heal people and narcotics which harm people. So yes there are some that are good for you and some that are bad for you.
God's message can certainly heal and comfort some people, but it won't if you reject it.
That is in fact how the opening of the second surah starts:
1. That's a good question, one whose answer depends on what we mean by 'belief' and whether there is any such type of thing in the world.
2. That said, let's use the commonsense notion for the purpose of this discussion. Assuming that that type of thing is real, it seems that we change our beliefs all the time. Do you still believe the things you did as a child? Have you never changed your mind on anything? Is it even possible to navigate the world without belief revision?
However it happens, the phenomenon of belief revision is ubiquitous, and rightly so: our beliefs should be sensitive to the way the world is (necessarily filtered through the particular way we experience it) so that they at least in part reflect reality.
So, again: what on earth do you mean by the statement that "beliefs should be like fingerprints"? It sounds like you've said something utterly ridiculous on account of the above facts. Why would the case of religious belief be different from any other? People can't assess new information and revise their beliefs about the claims the way the world is by any given religion? Why not?
Yes, it seems pretty clear that religions have virtually always tried to claim the moral domain as their own. What do this have to do with what you said about people not being able to change their beliefs? I'm not getting the relevance here.
Let's assume she's not involved, for the sake of argument. Does that make a difference in anything I wrote in the text you quote?
If you are a Muslim, I pose to you the same question I posed to Ahmed. Let's see what your answer is.
1. That's a good question, one whose answer depends on what we mean by 'belief' and whether there is any such type of thing in the world.Makes no sense to me how someone can go from Christian to muslim or vice versa. When I said beliefs should be like fingerprints, I meant that they should be unique to each individual. Not some cookie-cutter gameplan from a book.
2. That said, let's use the commonsense notion for the purpose of this discussion. Assuming that that type of thing is real, it seems that we change our beliefs all the time. Do you still believe the things you did as a child? Have you never changed your mind on anything? Is it even possible to navigate the world without belief revision?
However it happens, the phenomenon of belief revision is ubiquitous, and rightly so: our beliefs should be sensitive to the way the world is (necessarily filtered through the particular way we experience it) so that they at least in part reflect reality.
So, again: what on earth do you mean by the statement that "beliefs should be like fingerprints"? It sounds like you've said something utterly ridiculous on account of the above facts. Why would the case of religious belief be different from any other? People can't assess new information and revise their beliefs about the claims the way the world is by any given religion? Why not?
Yes, it seems pretty clear that religions have virtually always tried to claim the moral domain as their own. What do this have to do with what you said about people not being able to change their beliefs? I'm not getting the relevance here.
In Islam we turn to God at all times, in remembrance and gratefulness, regardless of good times or bad times.
Speaking of your drugs' comparison, there are good drugs and bad drugs. Medications which heal people and narcotics which harm people. So yes there are some that are good for you and some that are bad for you.
God's message can certainly heal and comfort some people, but it won't if you reject it.
That is in fact how the opening of the second surah starts:
How does one change beliefs in the first place? Find the face of Jesus on a slice of toast? Maybe they are angry at "god" for a bad streak in life?Exactly. Imaginary deity A did not give me free and undeserved bliss, so maybe I'll have better luck with option B. And later on option C, etc.
MOS, many christians are not practicing but may have a christian upbringing. She far more so falls in this category. After all how Christian is modeling? Does Paul in the bible not say a woman who does not cover her hair should shave her head (should wear a veil instead). Yet how many Chrsitians today wear a veil? In fact Christians attack Muslim women for wearing a veil.
I've posted videos of priests and pastors and even a deacon with a doctorate in divinity who've become Muslim. There are several of those that studied the actual original scriptures and parchments in hebrew, koine greek, aramic translations, etc... and embraced Islam, as well as those that were hardcore evangelicals spewing Jesus is Lord and Islam is of ze devilz and once they learned about Islam embraced Islam. :)
I stopped posting in this thread but just posted that video because of that silly dude and his 'whites are not muslims' or whatever non-sense he was spewing. Being Muslim is not being Arab, it's being Muslim. Arabs are a minority as Muslims today. Malays, Desis are in the majority and in fact, whites are the ones sweeping the globe with conversion to Islam across Europe and North America myself included. A lot of African Americans are embracing Islam and Latinos are increasingly embracing Islam in ever increasingly large numbers.