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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ex Coelis on December 18, 2010, 07:52:56 AM
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haha "Sugar" Shawn
http://www.oxygen4energy.com/sugarshawn?oxygen
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so sad
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I would just go with a portable Oxyen Tank between sets these supplements look like bullshit. 8)
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Remember when Shawn was sponsered by Vytoech...
There supplements were the worst ever, never heard one good review about them
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Seriously?! DUDE.. dont blow your legacy!
You want to make money as a person who's spent years in bodybuilding, then punch out an underground book on your insider knowledge of how drugs are used and how YOU used them safely and effectively over all those years... Thats where the money is at.
Just as others, dont put their name on it, but an abbreviation of it and use a small publisher or print/publish yourself and be making a house payment every month with the proceeds. Done. Oxygen... :-\
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LMFAO... Damn yo, you mean all these years I shouldn't have been holding my breath when I worked out?! LOL
::) What a joke
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so classy our tranny lover
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so classy our tranny lover
someone please quote it before he cancel it ;D ;D ;D ;D
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pathetic
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homo
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Elvis once told a fan.."I'm not The King...but I sing for Him." That is all anyone needs to know about Elvis.
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shut ut idiot
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LOL
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wouldn't prolonged use of a product like this, during training for a specific event or sport (if it actually works) be detrimental to endurance during competition by actually promoting a lower hematocrit level
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wouldn't prolonged use of a product like this, during training for a specific event or sport (if it actually works) be detrimental to endurance during competition by actually promoting a lower hematocrit level
lol dude... First of all, without going into a lecture on Pulmonary physiology, I will just say you are WAY off... The HCT is your proportion of blood volume that is composed of Red Blood Cells... Oxygen has absolutely no effect on your HCT level.
Pretty much ditto for your Hemoglobin- which is essentially your iron containing oxygen carrying component of your blood. If "too much" oxygen could dilute your blood and lower your Hemoglobin, then wouldnt you think that people on supplemental oxygen would end up needing blood transfusions? LOL This is of course not the case...
The plain and simple fact is- What you probably feel from this product is a little BUZZ... Oxygen bars have been around in LA and other places for years. There is no medical benefit for a healthy bodybuilder or fitness person to sniff some 100% O2 for short bursts before, during or after training. It's a total bullshit scam of a product, and given that Shawn Ray is endorsing it, that should tell you all you need to know...
out!
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I love the fact that instead of employing a professional bodybuilder who "might" actually use this product during their training, they instead hire Shawn Ray who hasn't been in competition for nearly a decade and is clearly past his prime.
To further add insult to injury, they purposely keep showing pictures of Shawn Ray during his prime, winning events and while doing photo shoots, all examples of a Shawn Ray that had then never even heard of Oxygen4Energy or their ridiculous ideas and who was clearly using hormones.
For legal purposes, they did have Shawn mention that he would have benefited greatly if these products were around during the time of his competitive days. Clearly, even this is a marketing tactic since you know that by the time this little veiled disclaimer was mentioned, whomever had been watching this infomercial had probably stopped listening to any excess information that he was obviously reading off of a prompter.
Shawn, should put out his own supplement line...
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I love the fact that instead of employing a professional bodybuilder who "might" actually use this product during their training, they instead hire Shawn Ray who hasn't been in competition for nearly a decade and is clearly past his prime.
To further add insult to injury, they purposely keep showing pictures of Shawn Ray during his prime, winning events and while doing photo shoots, all examples of a Shawn Ray that had then never even heard of Oxygen4Energy or their ridiculous ideas and who was clearly using hormones.
For legal purposes, they did have Shawn mention that he would have benefited greatly if these products were around during the time of his competitive days. Clearly, even this is a marketing tactic since you know that by the time this little veiled disclaimer was mentioned, whomever had been watching this infomercial had probably stopped listening to any excess information that he was obviously reading off of a prompter.
Shawn, should put out his own supplement line...
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Well said bro!
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i was thinking it would have the opposite effect to high altitude training which would increase hematocrit by training in a less oxygenated environment... i'm not saying it would lower it to a detrimental level in normal persons but it would not provide any benefit to en endurance athlete during competition...only hinder their performance
regulation of EPO is by meaasuring blood oxygenation content so how does oxygen not effect hematocrit?
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the partial pressure of oxygen has no bearing on the hemoglobin concentration. EPO use is based of hematocrit levels which is the ratio of red blood cells as compared to all other components of blood, as previously stated. The normal value may go up to around 50% in a healthy adult male, and could be higher due to dehydration or a myeloproliferative disorder.
The majority of people have no clue whatsoever, however, oxygen is toxic! Inhaled concentrations exceeding roughly 50% for 8 hours or more will cause lung damage. More is not better for normal, healthy people.
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i was thinking it would have the opposite effect to high altitude training which would increase hematocrit by training in a less oxygenated environment... i'm not saying it would lower it to a detrimental level in normal persons but it would not provide any benefit to en endurance athlete during competition...only hinder their performance
regulation of EPO is by meaasuring blood oxygenation content so how does oxygen not effect hematocrit?
The short answer is giving 02 in this way would very unlike produce a change in your O2 saturation...
Regulation of EPO is pretty complex and still to this day not entirely understood (honestly, nor do I remember all of the pathways...)... we know Kidneys produce most of it and a little bit in the liver, but again, without a massive change in O2 Sat, not much will change was my point.
Another BS product on the market.
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the partial pressure of oxygen has no bearing on the hemoglobin concentration. EPO use is based of hematocrit levels which is the ratio of red blood cells as compared to all other components of blood, as previously stated. The normal value may go up to around 50% in a healthy adult male, and could be higher due to dehydration or a myeloproliferative disorder.
The majority of people have no clue whatsoever, however, oxygen is toxic! Inhaled concentrations exceeding roughly 50% for 8 hours or more will cause lung damage. More is not better for normal, healthy people.
Yep very true... giving supplemental O2 to the wrong person can really F them up
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It's a travesty that this man never won a Sandow.
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i was thinking it would have the opposite effect to high altitude training which would increase hematocrit by training in a less oxygenated environment... i'm not saying it would lower it to a detrimental level in normal persons but it would not provide any benefit to en endurance athlete during competition...only hinder their performance
regulation of EPO is by meaasuring blood oxygenation content so how does oxygen not effect hematocrit?
While EPO regulation is certainly related to blood oxygenation levels, it's only when you have that decrease in oxygen that the phenomenon will then cause a feedback mechanism in the renal system that will prompt the kidneys to produce erythropoietin, which then results in an increased production of red blood cells. While this feedback mechanism is certainly useful (Increase Hematocrit = Increase in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood), a reciprocal effect isn't seen when you increase oxygen.
On the flip side, if you increase oxygen levels tremendously, you can actually cause some fatal effects to the body, particularly to the pulmonary system and the central nervous system (seizures). Instead of having a feedback mechanism that somehow deters the overall ability for you to consume or even carry the large amount of oxygen, you then have pulmonary (collapse lung) and neural effects. If you could just increase hematocrit by taking in oxygen, you would then be able to increase the overall percentage of hematocrit above safe levels (Safe levels as within that therapeutic range 37%-54%, encompassing both men and women), which could then raise hematocrit levels above 60% which can actually cause spontaneous blood clotting, not much of a happy ending.
A DUB, jump in here when you have a chance..
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yea hypoxia so no hypoxia no epo production...i now how it works i don't need a lecture, sat threw plenty, i was just trying to make a point that this product would do nothing for training purposes ::)
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puro O2 is very dangerous
do NOT do it
these people are crazy !
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While EPO regulation is certainly related to blood oxygenation levels, it's only when you have that decrease in oxygen that the phenomenon will then cause a feedback mechanism in the renal system that will prompt the kidneys to produce erythropoietin, which then results in an increased production of red blood cells. While this feedback mechanism is certainly useful (Increase Hematocrit = Increase in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood), a reciprocal effect isn't seen when you increase oxygen.
On the flip side, if you increase oxygen levels tremendously, you can actually cause some fatal effects to the body, particularly to the pulmonary system and the central nervous system (seizures). Instead of having a feedback mechanism that somehow deters the overall ability for you to consume or even carry the large amount of oxygen, you then have pulmonary (collapse lung) and neural effects. If you could just increase hematocrit by taking in oxygen, you would then be able to increase the overall percentage of hematocrit above safe levels (Safe levels as within that therapeutic range 37%-54%, encompassing both men and women), which could then raise hematocrit levels above 60% which can actually cause spontaneous blood clotting, not much of a happy ending.
A DUB, jump in here when you have a chance..
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LOL I'll leave this convo for you smart IM guys!!! If you need something cut out, put in or sewn up give me a hollar LOL But i absolutely agree with everything you said. Certainly there is something to be said about training at high altitude and its overall hematologic effects, but this isnt the case with supplemental O2 LOL
While i dont think someone would be able to reach toxic levels of O2 with this supplement, it wouldnt surprise me if gym rats get a hold of it and take 5x the recommended dose and reaching toxicity.
Plain and simply put, if you are training and out of breath... Rest a few minutes and get back into your workout, you'll have all the oxygen you need!
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Shawn gotta keep the income coming, guys
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The owner of that company has to be Jewish.
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While EPO regulation is certainly related to blood oxygenation levels, it's only when you have that decrease in oxygen that the phenomenon will then cause a feedback mechanism in the renal system that will prompt the kidneys to produce erythropoietin, which then results in an increased production of red blood cells. While this feedback mechanism is certainly useful (Increase Hematocrit = Increase in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood), a reciprocal effect isn't seen when you increase oxygen.
On the flip side, if you increase oxygen levels tremendously, you can actually cause some fatal effects to the body, particularly to the pulmonary system and the central nervous system (seizures). Instead of having a feedback mechanism that somehow deters the overall ability for you to consume or even carry the large amount of oxygen, you then have pulmonary (collapse lung) and neural effects. If you could just increase hematocrit by taking in oxygen, you would then be able to increase the overall percentage of hematocrit above safe levels (Safe levels as within that therapeutic range 37%-54%, encompassing both men and women), which could then raise hematocrit levels above 60% which can actually cause spontaneous blood clotting, not much of a happy ending.
A DUB, jump in here when you have a chance..
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The only thing I'll add is that CNS toxicity can only occur at hyperbaric pressures, typically above 2 ATM.
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Shawn cant even walk up a flight of stairs without the use of an Oxygen tank these days.
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Shawn gotta keep the income coming, guys
Right.
It's sad to see what's happened to him, Flex, and some of the other guys. No pensions, benefits or anything...Having to push these supplement scams.
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Right.
It's sad to see what's happened to him, Flex, and some of the other guys. No pensions, benefits or anything...Having to push these supplement scams.
You're kidding me right? The IFBB does not provide their athletes with some form of pension or retirement benefits?
That doesn't sound right,
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You're kidding me right? The IFBB does not provide their athletes with some form of pension or retirement benefits?
That doesn't sound right,
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I could be wrong...but I don't think there are any benefits like with SAG. That's why these guys are out here hustling like this.
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Gym outfit of the future ???
(http://cdn.wn.com/pd/08/30/f956a9924148aa3d4c813f0a03d1_grande.jpg)
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It's a travesty that this man never won a Sandow.
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What's so wrong with Shawn making more money? And he will while the rest of you bitch on here. :)
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Next you'll see Shawn in JC Penney ads, modeling suits and summer wear, with that stupid car salesman grin of his...hey that's how Garcelle Beauvois (sp) started (Fancy on the Jaime Foxx show).
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Next you'll see Shawn in JC Penney ads, modeling suits and summer wear, with that stupid car salesman grin of his...hey that's how Garcelle Beauvois (sp) started (Fancy on the Jaime Foxx show).
Here's a hint on how he will look
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Oxygen won't help at all.