pellius you dont find out that carlos got the first 300 because you dont want to believe it so you dont look. it was 1978 mr international held in columbus along with the olympia. he won the lightweight with a perfct 300. this was before the universe when mentzer was gifted his win. and my saying things about people being lazy does not apply to everyone who wanted to train heavy duty. some actually busted their ass. it was for those that only heard they trained for 20 minutes 3 times a week so now they think thats all they need to do. go to the gym pump light weights talk rest get out in 20 minutes. and then say crap im training like mentzer why dont i grow. and heres something else you and other report about dorian and mike but you leave out the real truth . DRUGS lots and lots of DRUGS. steroids gh insulin ( yes mike used it) rec drugs( yes mike used lots) alcohol ( yes mike drank alot and often) even casey viator (colorodo experiment lol such crap) said he would sneak out and go train at another gym during that time cuz jones methods didnt cut it ( and yes casey got all his mass with volume first then got hurt got infections lost alot of weight and then did the experiment) and even though jones didnt want him using steroids he did without jones knowledge. and later on casey got into his best shape on the pro circuit using volume. ( like he always did) BUT heres what people dont understand about volume. you do sets building up to a max weight for a certain amount of reps ( failure) its not 10 sets of easy weights. yes you have to push the muscle past where its been before in order to achieve growth. either by weight reps rest or sets. and all these will work up to a point. just like an olympic sprinter. heres where mike was wrong ( as he was about so many other things) he thought his way and only his way forever. never change routines types do minimal warmups( i agree to a point) its kinda funny when mike lost in 77 to kal he said how losing doesnt effect him mentally he cant dwell on it he just has to come in better etc. ( or something like that) and then arnold wipes him out in 80 and mike descends into a drug fueled crazy that eventually cost him his job his girl ( cathy) his everything and then eventually his life. what mike failed to realize also is you cant go around talking crap about others trying to say yours is the best. arnold NEVER said such things. when he was asked about mike he would say that mike has found a way to train that suits him best . and he was also right when he said people like mike an franco needed more exercises more sets etc to bring out the muscles in different ways. as an example heavy benches will build pecs but flyes and inclines and dips and declines will add to it . ( no not saying do these in every workout) look at mike no chest all he did was inclines and pec deck . he had a rugged powerlifting look but not a top bodybuilder. lacked in to many departments.
Jeeze man, what is wrong with you? You really think I give a royal husky fuck that Carlos was the first to get a perfect score? You accuse me of wanting to argue but again you make unsubstantiated claims and insult me. Of course, I looked for any record of Carlo getting a perfect score and found none. Even his bio, which outlines his whole contest history and placings makes no mention of his perfect score. The first ever. You would think that would be mentioned somewhere other than one article in a magazine. If you can find a record other than one article written in a muscle mag then that will be evidence. There are countless mentions of Mentzer getting the first perfect score.
I try, I'm really, really trying to be more patient with the loud mouth retards on this board that would never talk like that if they weren't hiding behind a computer, but man, you sound like a real dick. Bringing in your phaggot imagery, telling me what you think I want to believe, and assuming things that are just patently wrong.
And the way you describe how most people train HIT is just ridiculous. The notion that HIT is pumping lightweights, talk, rest and then out in 20 minutes is just something you are just pulling out of your fat ass. The main thing that defines HIT is intensity. The one's that sit around talking, texting, watching
TV is the vast majority you see in the gyms every damn day. They're there day after day doing a half ass set for about 15 seconds and then sit there hogging the equipment for about two to three minutes before they sleepwalk through another set. Sure, they're in the gym for two hours and more but 85% of that time is doing nothing. Sitting just taking up space and getting in the way.
And what kind of made up nonsense is this that Mentzer was always saying he was the best and "arnold NEVER said such things"? (An exact quote complete with your barely literate and uneducated writing skills). Arnold never said he was the best? Really? And Mike was not a top bber? A Mr. Universe winner, winning his class at the Olympia in his first try, and being in the top five the next year with the best in the world? You've really reached a whole new level of abject stupidity. God, it's almost painful reading your second grade level of spelling, punctuation, and grammar and your torrential flow of idiocy. I've really got to stop wasting my time with uneducated morons like you that can't construct a simple sentence and a coherent thought. Have you ever read a book? Do you have an attention span that can last more than ten minutes?
And yes, they all used drugs. What's your point? Dorian used drugs just like Jay Cutler did but Dorian trained less, harder, and developed a whole new level of mass and conditioning.
I tell you what, put your money where your big mouth is at. I assume you are a volume trainer (and if you're not then you're just talking out of your ass). I train twice a week using the basic principles of Jones and Mentzer. We are both the same age. Way past our physical prime. But post a pic, no fancy poses, just a standing relax pic, and I'll do the same and let's see what all that time you've spent in the gym has done for you. Training six days a week, set after set, 2 hours a pop. A routine that means that your life has to revolved around bbing. Show me what all that time and effort has gotten you. And BTW, a recent pic. One taken either today or after with proof.
