Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion

[Zillotch]

I thought I was going to die :-

thats cuz ur supposed to die, silly.... let it happen.

[LittleJ]

thats cuz ur supposed to die, silly.... let it happen.

No

[Zillotch]

No

kinda inflexible... which is definitely a character flaw

[Disgusted]

True I am for my parents and when my mom passed (rip) I had full control of her medical records.

Have you seen pics of his ex..

Yeah doesn't appeal to me.

[macos]

Justin Compton has the same “health look” like what Big Country had

Justin is lucky his condition forced him to stop the insane food and dosages he was moving before he fell off the cliff like Big Country

[dj181]

Asians have long life expectancy and heart disease typically don’t run in their genetics compared to other s

Yeah thats true

But they are short with small dicks and suck at sports

[willl]

Thing is, Dallas wasn't on "minimal" amounts of anything.  550ng/ml!
And we don't know how much Tren he was on, either.  Could have also been grams.

it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..

the topic starter and journalist clearly MISREAD the T values

everyone assumed they were right when they said NORMAL values....

nobody bothered to research the actual values..

Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

imagine this is active half life only..

based on this u can calculate what he was actually shooting, correlating with the massive LVH, and the atherosclerosis, and the HIGH LDL low HDL,and basically everything else

[willl]

And Disgusted,

his CK was 120,5mg/DL

normal higher values men 1,2mg/dl

1000% increase from (agreed, sedentary non-exercising) normal range will give you (overblown) kidney disease

disease equalling to not safe..

[macos]

it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..

the topic starter and journalist clearly MISREAD the T values

everyone assumed they were right when they said NORMAL values....

nobody bothered to research the actual values..

Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

imagine this is active half life only..

based on this u can calculate what he was actually shooting, correlating with the massive LVH, and the atherosclerosis, and the HIGH LDL low HDL,and basically everything else

He cooked his food in testosterone instead of oil

[BB]

it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..


Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

Ha, it was right there. I couldn't figure out why the Epitest ratio was 130, but it sorta looked like TRT levels. It's because you were already mentally set up to read it as DL instead of ML.

[BIG DUB]

it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..

the topic starter and journalist clearly MISREAD the T values

everyone assumed they were right when they said NORMAL values....

nobody bothered to research the actual values..

Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

imagine this is active half life only..

based on this u can calculate what he was actually shooting, correlating with the massive LVH, and the atherosclerosis, and the HIGH LDL low HDL,and basically everything else

 Michael Scally says to use a factor of 10 to determine dose when looking at blood work levels. So doing the math looks like Dallas was on at least 6g of just test alone...

[B R]

Does the autopsy report confirm whether he died for us bitches or not?

[dj181]

For health.... Gear>>>>>>>>>>gh and slin

[willl]

anthonyroberts realised his mistake and went from "T levels within normal range" to " T levels very high"

thats getbig for ya

[macos]

anthonyroberts realised his mistake and went from "T levels within normal range" to " T levels very high"

thats getbig for ya

Antony roberts is another guy with the shittiest genetics in the world

Lucky for him he couldnt do shit in bodybuilding,  will live to see the age of 80

[Purge_WTF]

Clogged arteries at that age? Damn.

 That's what happened with Mike Matarazzo. He went through pounds of red meat and jars of peanut butter on a weekly basis.

[dj181]

That's what happened with Mike Matarazzo. He went through pounds of red meat and jars of peanut butter on a weekly basis.

I doubt diet plays much of a role

It was from all the shit he injected like a dumbass

[willl]

its a combination of every and all of his lifestyle induced habits, but ofc the AAS and ergogenics clearly make up the greater part

i'm interested to know what his RBC, hematocrit and liver values were....

infact his whole hematology is of interest, pity

[denarii]

That's what happened with Mike Matarazzo. He went through pounds of red meat and jars of peanut butter on a weekly basis.

 That's what happened with Mike Matarazzo Bob. He went through pounds of red meat and jars of peanut butter on a weekly basis.

Well bob is having the last laugh

[Stephano]

Dallas was megadosing.  Kept it simple, though... just test and tren.  (GH, Insulin, IGF-1, and other peptides aside.)

By the way, how much of his GUT was just his enlarged organs?  Liver, kidneys, heart... and surely his intestines and stomach, as well.   

[calfzilla]

Dallas was megadosing.  Kept it simple, though... just test and tren.  (GH, Insulin, IGF-1, and other peptides aside.)

By the way, how much of his GUT was just his enlarged organs?  Liver, kidneys, heart... and surely his intestines and stomach, as well.   

Good question. This could give us a clue into the possible causes of Palumboism.

[willl]

lets try and find out how much he was taking

Testosterone: let's assume this (550ng/ml) is total T (specifics not indicated on report)

keep in mind normal high T values in young men are: 10mg/day T production

Blood volume: normal average weighing adult (72kg, 160pounds) has approx. 4,7Liters or 1,24gallon or 5quarts

regularly, blood volume is calculated on +- 68ml/kg basis

so in his case: 290ish pounds or 130kg BW multiplied by 68ml = roughly 8liters of blood (downsized)

i'm mentioning this difference because someone who weighs less than him would have yielded even higher blood results(!) for the same amount of injected mgs

unless anti aromatase was used, part of his T injections would have been converted (and ongoing) to Estrogen

also DHT conversion

for the sake of positive bias, we won't try to calculate that

Also, test esters have different half lives, so in order for us to be positively biased as to how much he jected, we'll take one of the more common longer versions: TE
(U'd need to inject more Prop compared to Enanth if u want to achieve an equal T concentration in blood)

Example:
100mg TE after 10 days: 50mg still in blood
100mg TP after 10 days: +-12mg still in blood
theoretically, this means that if we want to achieve 50mg of active T after 10 days with T prop, we'd have to inject 400mg

so u see, calculating his cycle as positively biased as possible (as low as possible) would have us go for minimal injections of TE

Also, don't forget a 100mg inject of TE is actually only about 70mg of T, the remainder 30mg being ester weight
pos bias wont account for that

SO: according to dose response studies in endogenous T deficient men, T enanthate 50mg/wk resulted in approx. 306ng/dl (3,06ng/ml) blood concentrations (5month study)
(blood analysis occurred at 7 day intervals)

600mg TE/wk = 2307ng/dl (23ng/ml)

(dose response curve: 12 times more T injected yet only 7 times more T in blood concentration, lets call this factor potency)

lets assume potency is halved every 500mg (again pos bias)

going from 23ng/ml to 550ng/ml would mean shooting 24 times 50mg  (1200mg) to obtain a clean result

however, including potency factor this would mean approx 5gr of T/ 7days

NOW: add in all the other factors and you arrive at a hypothetical 8+ gr/ T

I'd speculate even higher, 10+ gr/wk (TE) and i'm being very cautious   (TP even higher!)


i mean, we all knew this, its just nice to have the numbers adding up..

[mphgrove]

I doubt diet plays much of a role

It was from all the shit he injected like a dumbass

Well, diet does play a role in terms of pushing that much food through your system, especially the protein. May not matter much whether it is steak versus lean chicken. For Dallas, genetic predisposition played a big part obviously. But the “elephant in the room” question is how long would he have lived without the AAS, growth, insulin, and food combination? Palumbo didn’t go there at all. We seem to be debating the subtleties of diet vs. steroid vs. growth, etc., (as well as be sure to go to the doctor) but what about the un-subtle question of professional level bodybuilding vs. NOT.

[Simple Simon]

Good question. This could give us a clue into the possible causes of Palumboism.

phew, at least he didnt die for nothing....

[BB]

Dallas was megadosing.  Kept it simple, though... just test and tren.  (GH, Insulin, IGF-1, and other peptides aside.)

By the way, how much of his GUT was just his enlarged organs?  Liver, kidneys, heart... and surely his intestines and stomach, as well.   

Interesting question, seeing how much organ enlargement is possible in the monsters is shocking. It's amazing how far out of the outlier ranges he was -


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182983 .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182984 .