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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2018, 06:27:31 PM »
Trump Travel Ban Looks Poised for Victory at U.S. Supreme Court
By Greg Stohr
April 25, 2018

The U.S. Supreme Court appeared poised to uphold President Donald Trump’s travel ban as two key justices used an argument session to aim skeptical questions at a lawyer challenging the policy.

Hearing the last case of its nine-month term Wednesday, the court took its first direct look at a policy that indefinitely bars more than 150 million people from entering the country. Opponents, led at the high court by Hawaii, say Trump overstepped his authority and was motivated by anti-Muslim animus.

Chief Justice John Roberts suggested he doubted that the policy was unconstitutionally tainted by Trump’s campaign call for a Muslim ban at the border. Roberts asked whether those types of comments would prevent a president from taking the advice of his military staff to launch an air strike against Syria.

"Does that mean he can’t because you would regard that as discrimination against a majority-Muslim country?" Roberts asked Hawaii’s lawyer, Neal Katyal.

Another pivotal justice, Anthony Kennedy, suggested he understood Katyal to be asking the court to second-guess the president on whether a national-security emergency warranted border restrictions.

"Your argument is that courts have the duty to review whether or not there is such a national exigency," Kennedy said with a tone of incredulity. "That’s for the courts to do, not the president?"

U.S. Supreme Court - Trump Travel Ban Oral Argument (Video)

The court is considering the third version of a ban that triggered chaos and protests at American airports when Trump signed the first executive order a week after taking office in January 2017. Although two federal appeals courts have ruled against Trump, the Supreme Court let the policy take full effect in December.

The travel policy bars or limits entry by people from Iran, Syria, Somalia, Libya and Yemen. It also blocks people from North Korea and a handful of Venezuelan government officials, though those aspects of the policy aren’t at issue at the high court. Trump removed Chad from the list of restricted countries earlier this month.

The high court’s decision, likely to come in the final days of June, promises to be a major pronouncement on the president’s control over the nation’s borders. It may also serve as a judgment on an unconventional presidency marked by ad-hoc policy decisions and pointed Twitter comments.

Wednesday’s session offered few reasons to expect that judgment to be anything but deferential. The toughest questions for U.S. Solicitor General Noel Francisco, Trump’s top Supreme Court advocate, came almost entirely from the court’s most liberal members.

One of them, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, said Congress had already enacted a visa waiver process that required heightened vetting in some cases. "Where does the president get the authority to do more than Congress has already decided is adequate?" she asked.

‘Out-of-the-Box’ President

Justice Elena Kagan, another Democratic appointee, raised a hypothetical issue of a president who had made anti-Semitic remarks and whose administration found security reasons to recommend a ban on travel from Israel.

"This is an out-of-the-box kind of president in my hypothetical," she said, drawing laughter from the courtroom. "We don’t have those, Your Honor," Francisco quickly shot back before saying that he doubted that any national security reasons could justify a ban on such a close ally.

"The question is, what are reasonable observers to think given this context, in which this hypothetical president is making virulent anti-Semitic comments," Kagan said.

But Justice Samuel Alito noted that Trump’s policy affects only a small percentage of the world’s Muslims.

"It does not look at all like a Muslim ban," he said. "There are other justifications that jump out as to why these particular countries were put on the list."

Katyal said the travel ban "does fall almost exclusively on Muslims."

Kennedy Questions

Kennedy, the court’s most frequent swing vote, asked questions of both sides. He asked Francisco about a hypothetical mayoral candidate who made "hateful statements" during his campaign and then acted on those comments on the second day of his administration.

"You would say whatever he said in the campaign is irrelevant?" Kennedy asked.

But Kennedy aimed his toughest questions at Katyal, the Hawaii lawyer. The justice suggested the travel ban was more flexible than opponents contended, pointing to a provision in the most recent version that he said requires officials to revisit it every 180 days. "That indicates there’ll be a reassessment and the president has continuing discretion," Kennedy said.

And the Republican-appointed justice scoffed at Katyal’s argument that the policy lacks any clear end point. "You want the president to say, ‘I’m convinced that in six months we’re going to have a safe world,’" Kennedy said.

Francisco ended his argument by offering a defense of Trump’s motives, though the lawyer stumbled slightly over his words.

"He has made crystal clear that Muslims in this country are great Americans and there are many, many Muslim countries who love this country," Francisco said. "And he has praised Islam as one of the great countries of the world."

Underscoring the widespread interest in the case, the court posted an audio recording of the argument on its website Wednesday afternoon. It’s the first time this term the court has released same-day audio.

People began lining up days in advance for one of the roughly 50 seats the court typically sets aside for members of the general public.

For more on the travel ban, check out the Decrypted  podcast:

The case is Trump v. Hawaii, 17-965.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-25/trump-travel-ban-gets-support-from-key-justices-at-high-court

Nice, a supposedly unbiased resource. I'm impressed.  :)

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2018, 07:34:31 PM »
Nice, a supposedly unbiased resource. I'm impressed.  :)

Whatever that means. 

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2018, 05:43:10 PM »
One of the judges actually said the decision to end DACA might have been based on racism.  What a crock.

9TH CIRCUIT BLOCKS TRUMP’S MOVES TO END DACA
11/08/2018 | POLITICS
Kevin Daley | Supreme Court Reporter

A federal appeals court upheld a nationwide injunction against President Donald Trump’s termination of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program Thursday.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit concluded DACA’s recension “is arbitrary, capricious, or otherwise not in accordance with law.”

Supreme Court action could soon follow. The Trump administration asked the high court to intervene in the DACA cases Monday. The move was highly unusual, as three federal appeals courts, including the 9th Circuit, are separately reviewing orders requiring the government to continue administering DACA. The justices seldom review a case before the circuit courts issue judgment.

The University of California (UC) brought Thursday’s case after the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) issued a memo rescinding DACA on Sept. 5, 2017. Former Attorney General Jeff Sessions sent a memo to DHS advising that DACA was not lawful one day prior on Sept. 4.

The administration argues that its decision to end the program is not reviewable in court, since DACA is a purely discretionary executive branch initiative. They also say a federal law called the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) prohibits judicial review of claims arising from deportation proceedings.

Judge Kim Wardlaw, writing for the panel, rejected that argument, explaining that courts can review DHS’s decision because the government’s finding that DACA is unlawful was its primary reason for terminating it. (RELATED: Justice Ginsburg Admitted To Hospital After Serious Fall)

“With due respect for the executive branch, we disagree,” the opinion reads. “The government may not simultaneously both assert that its actions are legally compelled, based on its interpretation of the law, and avoid review of that assertion by the judicial branch, whose ‘province and duty’ it is ‘to say what the law is.'”

The court cautioned that DACA could still be legitimately discontinued, provided the government did so on a different basis.

“To be clear: we do not hold that DACA could not be rescinded as an exercise of executive branch discretion,” Wardlaw wrote. “We hold only that here, where the executive did not make a discretionary choice to end DACA — but rather acted based on an erroneous view of what the law required—the rescission was arbitrary and capricious under settled law.”

Writing separately, Judge John Owens said there was sufficient evidence that the government’s action was tainted with racism.

“I would hold that plaintiffs have plausibly alleged that the rescission of DACA was motivated by unconstitutional racial animus in violation of the equal protection component of the Fifth Amendment,” he wrote.

Other decisions as to DACA termination are currently pending before federal appeals courts in New York and Washington, D.C.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/08/9th-circuit-daca-donald-trump/

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2019, 09:04:29 AM »
Trump sues to block Democrats’ subpoena for financial information
By Alex Pappas, John Roberts | Fox News

Lawyers for the president have sued to block a subpoena issued by members of Congress seeking Trump's financial information; Catherine Herridge reports on the complaint.

Lawyers for President Trump on Monday sued to block a subpoena issued by members of Congress that sought the business magnate's financial records.

The complaint named Rep. Elijah Cummings, the Democratic chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, and Peter Kenny, the chief investigative counsel of the House committee, as its plaintiffs.

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"We will not allow Congressional Presidential harassment to go unanswered," said Jay Sekulow, counsel to the president.

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Earlier this month, Cummings, D-Md., said the committee would subpoena accounting firm Mazars USA LLC for Trump’s financial information. Cummings is seeking annual statements, periodic financial reports and independent auditors reports from Mazars, as well as records of communications with Trump.

In seeking the records, Cummings has cited the February testimony from former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, who claimed the president inflated or deflated the value of his assets when it would benefit him.

Democrats sent a letter to Mazars in March requesting information about how Trump’s financial statements were prepared, but the firm said it could not voluntarily turn over documents unless subpoenaed.

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In the suit on Monday, Trump’s lawyers ask the court to declare the subpoena “invalid and unenforceable.” It also asks for a “permanent injunction quashing Chairman Cummings’ subpoena.”

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Trump's suit also asks for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction prohibiting Mazars from producing the requested information.

In the suit, Trump’s legal team complain that the Democrats have “issued more than 100 subpoenas and requests to anyone with even the most tangential connection to the President.”

“Democrats are using their new control of congressional committees to investigate every aspect of President Trump’s personal finances, businesses, and even his family,” the suit says.

The case has been assigned to U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta, a 2014 appointee of then-President Barack Obama.

In a statement about Monday’s suit to block the subpoena, Trump lawyers William Consovoy, of Consovoy McCarthy Park PLLC, and Stefan Passantino, of Michael Best & Friedrich LLP said, “The Committee’s attempt to obtain years’ worth of confidential information from their accountants lacks any legitimate legislative purpose, is an abuse of power, and is just another example of overreach by the President’s political opponents. We look forward to vindicating our clients’ rights in this matter.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sues-to-block-democrats-subpoena-for-financial-information

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2019, 11:03:37 AM »
Lawyer issues warning to Congress on Barr contempt: 'You are heading into a world of hurt'
By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News

House Democrats are "heading into a world of hurt" if they escalate their fight with Attorney General Bill Barr over access to the full Robert Mueller report, according to constitutional law expert Jonathan Turley.

Turley, a George Washington University law professor, issued the warning during testimony before the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. As lawmakers grilled him and other legal scholars on issues having to do with executive privilege and congressional oversight, Turley stated that while he generally tends to give weight to congressional power, they are sure to lose if they go to court for the purpose of holding Barr in contempt for not releasing the full Mueller report.

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"You are heading into a world of hurt if you go to the D.C. Circuit," Turley warned.

House Democrats recently voted at the committee level to hold Barr in contempt for refusing to release a fully unredacted version of the Mueller report and underlying materials. Turley pointed out, as Barr has in the past, that the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure do not allow Barr to disclose the secret grand jury information that was redacted in the previously released version.

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The D.C. Circuit recently ruled on this very issue, stating in the case of McKeever v. Barr that, outside of the specific exceptions outlined in Rule 6(e), courts do not have authority to order the disclosure of grand jury information. Since any legal action taken against Barr for contempt would likely end up before the D.C. Circuit, Turley made it clear that going down that road is a bad idea for Congress.

"There’s no question that he cannot release this Rule 6(e) information," Turley said, calling Barr's position "unassailable."

The professor said that Congress may have better luck in forcing witnesses to testify and acquiring some of the underlying documents referenced in the Mueller report, but he still cautioned Democrats regarding certain matters of executive privilege, which President Trump has invoked in an attempt to keep the material secret.

TRUMP BLOCKS CONGRESS FROM FULL MUELLER REPORT

For instance, Turley warned Democrats not to challenge Trump's assertion of executive privilege with regard to information shared with the Special Counsel's Office, which is part of the executive branch. He said case law is strong on this issue.

"I strongly encourage you not to make that argument in federal court," he said.

House Democrats, though, have pressed forward, accusing the Trump administration of obstructing their efforts to learn more about the Russia investigation.

“We did not relish doing this, but we have no choice,” Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said after the contempt vote earlier this month, adding, "We’ve talked for a long time about approaching a constitutional crisis. We are now in it."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawyer-issues-warning-to-congress-on-barr-contempt-you-are-heading-into-a-world-of-hurt

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2019, 09:15:27 AM »
Appeals court rules Trump end of DACA was unlawful
BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN - 05/17/19

A split federal appeals court on Friday ruled that President Trump’s decision to rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program was unlawful because “it was not adequately explained."

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals in Virginia found that the administration's termination of the program was "arbitrary and capricious," in line with a prior ruling from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The bulk of the ruling rests on how the administration laid out its decision to rescind the DACA program.

Attorneys for the Trump administration argued that the decision to rescind DACA was an agency decision, and therefore did not have to made available for public comment and other procedures required under the Administrative Procedure Act (APA).

While the court agreed that the decision didn’t have to undergo a public comment period, they said administration officials still violated the federal law by not fully explaining its decision to rescind DACA.

The judges wrote in the majority opinion that then-Acting Homeland Security Secretary Elaine Duke “rescinded a general enforcement policy in existence for over five years and affecting hundreds of thousands of enrollees based on the view that the policy was unlawful.”

“Nor did the Department adequately account for the reliance interests that would be affected by its decision. Hundreds of thousands of people had structured their lives on the availability of deferred action during the over five years between the implementation of DACA and the decision to rescind,” the opinion reads. “Although the government insists that Acting Secretary Duke considered these interests in connection with her decision to rescind DACA, her Memo makes no mention of them.”

The appeals court decision stems from a lawsuit arguing that the decision to end DACA needed to undergo public comment and other APA procedures.

The complaint also alleged that the proposed policy changes on how the personal information of DACA applicants would be shared were similarly unlawful, and violated due process protections guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.

The court found that while the administration argued that DACA was unlawful in its decision to end the program, the documents used to back up those claims did not “identify any statutory provision with which the DACA policy conflicts.”

The judges noted that then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions wrote in a memo that courts had ruled against the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) program, which was similar to DACA and partly expanded the protections for children.

But they said that DACA and DAPA are still two separate programs, and the administration failed to state exactly how court rulings against one program would impact the other.

The judges also reversed a lower court ruling about blocking information on DACA applicants from being shared for immigration enforcement purposes.

They found that the department had told applicants that policies that protected some of their information from immigration officials “could be ‘modified, superseded, or rescinded at any time without notice’ and were ‘not intended to’ and did not ‘create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by any party.’”

Friday’s ruling was not unanimous: In a separate opinion, Judge Julius Richardson wrote that the administration had the authority to “decide to prosecute, or not prosecute, an individual or a group” as long it’s permitted under the Constitution and doesn’t go beyond officials’ duties under federal law.

“Here, the Executive’s proper exercise of that discretion to rescind DACA is judicially unreviewable under the Administrative Procedure Act, regardless of one’s view of the policy questions underlying DACA. To hold otherwise permits the Judicial Branch to invade the province of the Executive and impair the carefully constructed separation of powers laid out in our Constitution,” Richardson, a Trump appointee, wrote.

And while the majority opinion did not take up the lawsuit’s constitutional arguments, Richardson stated that he would have ruled against them.

“The plaintiffs may have serious concerns about our nation’s immigration laws and the Department’s policy of enforcing those laws. But an understandable policy concern is not a legally cognizable right. The rescission of DACA simply does not generate a due process claim,” he wrote.

Richardson did agree with the majority’s opinion to vacate an injunction blocking officials from sharing information on DACA applications with immigration enforcement.

The ruling comes as the legal battle over the termination of DACA continues. The Supreme Court is weighing whether to hear several cases over the end of the program.

The Trump administration was dealt a blow last year when the justices declined to take up their challenge to a ruling that temporarily blocked officials from rolling back the Obama-era immigration program.

Friday’s ruling also landed one day after Trump unveiled a new immigration plan to shift the U.S. toward a “merit-based” system that promotes skilled workers over migrants with family living in the nation.

https://thehill.com/latino/444239-appeals-court-rules-trump-end-of-daca-was-unlawful

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2019, 05:44:26 PM »
Trumps idea of checks and balances is:
I'll write David Pecker a check and that will cover the balance of what The National Enquirer owes Stormy.

I know you didn't like his politics as President, but c'mon give them man credit for this speech and living a decent , moral life.
He put himself thru some good schools , stayed married, raised his kids and worked his way up in politics.

You can think he's too liberalconservative, but give the man proper credit for how he's lived.
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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2019, 02:37:39 PM »
Not surprised. 

Judge upholds Dem subpoena for Trump financial records
It’s a big win for House Democrats, though the president will surely appeal.
By ANDREW DESIDERIO and KYLE CHENEY 05/20/2019

A federal judge upheld a congressional subpoena seeking President Donald Trump’s financial records from an accounting firm, dealing a blow to the president’s efforts to resist Democratic investigations.

U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta’s ruling means that Mazars USA must comply with the House Oversight and Reform Committee’s subpoena for eight years of Trump’s financial records, though the president is certain to appeal the ruling.

The president filed suit last month to block the subpoena, arguing that it amounted to an abuse of congressional authority.

Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) issued the subpoena to Mazars last month as part of the panel’s investigation into whether Trump committed financial crimes before he became president.

In particular, the committee has sought to corroborate specific claims made by Trump’s former personal attorney and fixer Michael Cohen. Earlier this year, Cohen turned over documents to the panel which purport to show that Trump artificially inflated and deflated the values of his assets to suit his personal financial benefit.

For example, Cohen told lawmakers that Trump submitted false financial statements to Deutsche Bank in 2014 as he was seeking a loan to buy the Buffalo Bills NFL team.

Mehta’s ruling represented the first time the federal judiciary has weighed in on the ongoing oversight battle between Trump and House Democrats. His ruling is likely to provide a blueprint for other judges who are set to make their own rulings on Trump’s vow to defy all congressional subpoenas.

Mehta heard arguments from Trump attorney William Consovoy and House General Counsel Douglas Letter last week, during which he cast serious doubt on Consovoy’s legal arguments.
Consovoy contended that Congress has no legitimate authority to investigate whether the president violated the law, because such probes are handled by “law enforcement” entities and aren’t tied to a specific legislative remedy.

But Mehta pushed back strongly on Consovoy, stating those types of investigations are “strictly” within Congress’ purview. He also said Congress has authority to investigate conflicts of interest — for example, whether a president has a “financial interest in a particular piece of legislation that was being considered.”

In addition to the Mazars suit, Trump has asked a federal court to invalidate the House Intelligence and Financial Services committees’ subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and Capital One. Those subpoenas also seek Trump’s personal and business financial records, as part of a joint investigation centering on whether Trump is compromised, financially or otherwise, by foreign actors.

Trump and his GOP allies have argued that the Democrats’ probes are illegitimate and amount to an abuse of power.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/20/judge-upholds-dem-subpoena-for-trump-financial-records-1335370

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2019, 01:20:18 PM »
Judge says banks can give Trump financial records to House Democrats
BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN - 05/22/19
 
A federal judge in New York on Wednesday ruled that Deutsche Bank and Capital One may provide President Trump's financial records to House Democratic lawmakers after the administration attempted to block the move, according to multiple media reports.

This is the second setback for the president this week in his fight to stop lawmakers from gaining access to his financial records as part of their sweeping probes into him, his administration, his private businesses and his family.

Trump, his businesses and family members had argued for the federal court in New York to issue a preliminary injunction to block the subpoenas for documents.

https://thehill.com/regulation/445089-judge-says-banks-can-give-trump-financial-records-to-house-democrats

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2019, 02:48:24 PM »
Judge says banks can give Trump financial records to House Democrats
BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN - 05/22/19
 
A federal judge in New York on Wednesday ruled that Deutsche Bank and Capital One may provide President Trump's financial records to House Democratic lawmakers after the administration attempted to block the move, according to multiple media reports.

This is the second setback for the president this week in his fight to stop lawmakers from gaining access to his financial records as part of their sweeping probes into him, his administration, his private businesses and his family.

Trump, his businesses and family members had argued for the federal court in New York to issue a preliminary injunction to block the subpoenas for documents.

https://thehill.com/regulation/445089-judge-says-banks-can-give-trump-financial-records-to-house-democrats

Before anyone gets too excited about the possibility of this information being made available to the committee, let alone the people, consider this paragraph from the article: Still, Trump's lawyers are likely to appeal the latest ruling as well. And with major political implications at hand, judges are likely to be cautious in issuing their rulings, meaning the legal battle could drag out over the coming weeks and months.

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2019, 04:23:09 PM »
Still wondering why the obsession with Trumps taxes? He made his money in the private sector, not as a politician. What exactly are the demoncrats looking for ???
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« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2019, 04:55:47 PM »
Still wondering why the obsession with Trumps taxes? He made his money in the private sector, not as a politician. What exactly are the demoncrats looking for ???

They hope to embarrass Trump if his income is not as great as he claims.

This will only work if anyone cares which nobody who voted for Trump does.


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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2019, 05:16:21 PM »
Before anyone gets too excited about the possibility of this information being made available to the committee, let alone the people, consider this paragraph from the article: Still, Trump's lawyers are likely to appeal the latest ruling as well. And with major political implications at hand, judges are likely to be cautious in issuing their rulings, meaning the legal battle could drag out over the coming weeks and months.

I'm thinking it ends up in the Supreme Court. 

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« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2019, 05:20:17 PM »
Still wondering why the obsession with Trumps taxes? He made his money in the private sector, not as a politician. What exactly are the demoncrats looking for ???

They hope to embarrass Trump if his income is not as great as he claims.

This will only work if anyone cares which nobody who voted for Trump does.



Agree. 


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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2019, 09:34:35 PM »
Agree. 



They suspect 1. He cheated on his taxes as he almost admitted. 2. He doesn't make what he says 3. He has ties to Russia and 4. He doesn't give to charity.

Number 2 and 4 doesn't concern me. However, if he cheated on his taxes and has enough ties to Russia to explain his reluctance to call Putin out.. his base won't care and those who didn't like him still wont like him so I don't see the point. Short of him actually killing a white woman with political ties, I don't see anything effecting him. 

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2019, 11:42:49 PM »
They suspect 1. He cheated on his taxes as he almost admitted. 2. He doesn't make what he says 3. He has ties to Russia and 4. He doesn't give to charity.

Number 2 and 4 doesn't concern me. However, if he cheated on his taxes and has enough ties to Russia to explain his reluctance to call Putin out.. his base won't care and those who didn't like him still wont like him so I don't see the point. Short of him actually killing a white woman with political ties, I don't see anything effecting him. 

So they didn't make a big enough fool out of you with that Russia crap?  Just cannot let it go.  I feel sorry for you and others who cannot bring themselves to accept how ridiculous this entire episode was. 

This is nothing more than a political witch hunt.  Compounding the biggest governmental political abuse of my lifetime.  I hope it gets to the Supreme Court and they put a stop to this. 

But you have to be a civil libertarian to be concerned about state and federal governments targeting individuals. 

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2019, 05:50:46 PM »
They suspect 1. He cheated on his taxes as he almost admitted. 2. He doesn't make what he says 3. He has ties to Russia and 4. He doesn't give to charity.

Number 2 and 4 doesn't concern me. However, if he cheated on his taxes and has enough ties to Russia to explain his reluctance to call Putin out.. his base won't care and those who didn't like him still wont like him so I don't see the point. Short of him actually killing a white woman with political ties, I don't see anything effecting him. 
#1….Who DOESN'T cheat on their taxes ::)
#3  Still with Russia? Mueller didn't do a good enough job for you?
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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2019, 10:11:21 PM »
#1….Who DOESN'T cheat on their taxes ::)
#3  Still with Russia? Mueller didn't do a good enough job for you?

We both know there is a difference between conspiring with Russia over an election and having financial ties with Russia that would push you to kiss Putins ass due to financial concerns. Why you pretend you are naive about it is the question

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #68 on: May 25, 2019, 01:08:59 AM »
I'm thinking it ends up in the Supreme Court. 

I am thinking this too.

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2019, 07:36:00 AM »
They suspect 1. He cheated on his taxes as he almost admitted. 2. He doesn't make what he says 3. He has ties to Russia and 4. He doesn't give to charity.

Number 2 and 4 doesn't concern me. However, if he cheated on his taxes and has enough ties to Russia to explain his reluctance to call Putin out.. his base won't care and those who didn't like him still wont like him so I don't see the point. Short of him actually killing a white woman with political ties, I don't see anything effecting him. 

2 and 4 are exactly what all of this will show, and the Democrats will make fun and troll him for it because they have nothing else. If that doesn’t concern you that they’re wasting money to be petty and spiteful, I really don’t know what to say.

Obviously if they find 1 or 3, then that’s bad/icing on the cake for dems, but I highly doubt it will happen. I just don’t know why 2 and a half years later they can’t just let it go.

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2019, 07:51:43 AM »
We both know there is a difference between conspiring with Russia over an election and having financial ties with Russia that would push you to kiss Putins ass due to financial concerns. Why you pretend you are naive about it is the question

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #71 on: May 25, 2019, 08:01:41 AM »
We both know there is a difference between conspiring with Russia over an election and having financial ties with Russia that would push you to kiss Putins ass due to financial concerns. Why you pretend you are naive about it is the question
So we've gone from collusion to "financial ties" with Russia? That's just fucking dumb, everybody already knows he was doing business in Russia right? What exactly are they trying to find?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2019, 01:04:48 PM »
So we've gone from collusion to "financial ties" with Russia? That's just fucking dumb, everybody already knows he was doing business in Russia right? What exactly are they trying to find?

Not saying there's anything to it, but a business person conducting business with a somewhat hostile foreign country, such as Russia, is very different form continuing this arrangement while being a (supposed) leader of the wealthiest country in the world.   

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #73 on: May 27, 2019, 01:48:56 PM »
We both know there is a difference between conspiring with Russia over an election and having financial ties with Russia that would push you to kiss Putins ass due to financial concerns. Why you pretend you are naive about it is the question

                                                                                    ^^^ this ^^^

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Re: Checks and Balances
« Reply #74 on: May 27, 2019, 01:54:33 PM »
We both know there is a difference between conspiring with Russia over an election and having financial ties with Russia that would push you to kiss Putins ass due to financial concerns. Why you pretend you are naive about it is the question
                                                                                    ^^^ this ^^^
Either one of you care to explain how the Almighty Trump has kissed Putins ass? Besides personal compliments, has he given Putin money? Lightened up tariffs? Eased any sanctioned without just cause?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!