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Sorry if it was posted before
Police true colors become more evident with so many recording devices around
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHh BEYE KE
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At least the cop's getting busted a bit, desk duty, demotion, being transferred, etc...
http://nypost.com/2015/04/01/cop-that-berated-uber-driver-stripped-of-badge-and-gun/
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what's wrong with abuse ??
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i would not even trust him being the loli pop man.. ;D
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What a dick
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Another NYPD's Finest Pig on the job
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In before the cop sympathizers say:
The cop was having a bad day. Cut him some slack.
If you hate the police so much, then don't call them when you're in trouble.
When I get pulled over, I am nice and respectful to the cops, and nothing bad happens to me.
It's clear that this driver was being irate and difficult. If he would have just followed what the cop said, the cop would not have gotten pissed off at him.
The cop was just following procedure.
Cops have a very tough and stressful job, so he made one mistake, big deal.
The people filming the video only captured the last part of the incident. Clearly, the driver must have done something bad that wasn't caught on camera.
The cop felt threatened for his life, therefore he was allowed to scream and yell at him. I mean, look at the driver, clearly threatening the cop.
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No fucks given for either, simply because I didn't see the the start of it, it could've been a battle of two assholes, and one just got bested. Still should've known that everything is filmed now a days.
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How dare not recognize the unmarked police vehicle and give it the respect it fully deserves!
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I usually am the first to defend cops but this guy was just wrong
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I usually am the first to defend cops but this guy was just wrong
Iīm not anti cops either. Just sometimes i shake my head. They are under stress and take a lot of shit too but itīs unprofessional what that asshole did.
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You cannot have a police state without police.
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It could have been worse, the man's accent might have caused the cop to "fear for his life".
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Hahaha. Punk bitch cop. Got what he deserved.
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Detective Dickhead of Peace ::)
he must of been searching for the missing Donut case
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/150331204137-ac-sot-blitzer-nypd-member-scolds-uber-driver-00013719-tablet-large.jpg)
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Detective Dickhead of Peace ::)
he must of been searching for the missing Donut case
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/150331204137-ac-sot-blitzer-nypd-member-scolds-uber-driver-00013719-tablet-large.jpg)
(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/02/dean-norris.jpg)
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Poor Uncle Hank was having a bad day.
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If you saw someone driving like an asshole and you were a cop wouldn't you think at some point in your career you would tell a driver he's driving like an asshole? Now the cop is the bad guy here? No, the idiot who denies wrong doing probably drove like a jerk. Cops are human too. Should he have remained courteous and just written him a stack of tickets. Yes, probably he should have. He used another option.He told the guy what he thought of his driving. In retrospect he wishes he just wrote him a few tickets and ran his documents in the computer hoping for warrants or suspensions.
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The police unions are just doing their part for the taxi driver union. Union thuggery is as American as apple pie, and all unions are a bought-and-paid-for slave on the democrat plantation.
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If you saw someone driving like an asshole and you were a cop wouldn't you think at some point in your career you would tell a driver he's driving like an asshole? Now the cop is the bad guy here? No, the idiot who denies wrong doing probably drove like a jerk. Cops are human too. Should he have remained courteous and just written him a stack of tickets. Yes, probably he should have. He used another option.He told the guy what he thought of his driving. In retrospect he wishes he just wrote him a few tickets and ran his documents in the computer hoping for warrants or suspensions.
How old are you?
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If you saw someone driving like an asshole and you were a cop wouldn't you think at some point in your career you would tell a driver he's driving like an asshole? Now the cop is the bad guy here? No, the idiot who denies wrong doing probably drove like a jerk. Cops are human too. Should he have remained courteous and just written him a stack of tickets. Yes, probably he should have. He used another option.He told the guy what he thought of his driving. In retrospect he wishes he just wrote him a few tickets and ran his documents in the computer hoping for warrants or suspensions.
Rich.. get real the cop was an asshole
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I wish we didn't have cops OR these mud people in the us would b a better place
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I wish we didn't have cops OR these mud people in the us would b a better place
Mud people?
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I respect the Law but the people who enforce it sometimes use it to their advantage and bend rules. The Cops in these Videos are just people in a hard job... Some are Dicks and some are good.
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I travel to NYC a lot and have to say many need to be on meds. Not all of them but some just seem so stressed and aggravated dealing with the public.
That guy needs to retire. ::)
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Bacon gonna bacon.
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Bacon gonna bacon.
LOL
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If you saw someone driving like an asshole and you were a cop wouldn't you think at some point in your career you would tell a driver he's driving like an asshole? Now the cop is the bad guy here? No, the idiot who denies wrong doing probably drove like a jerk. Cops are human too. Should he have remained courteous and just written him a stack of tickets. Yes, probably he should have. He used another option.He told the guy what he thought of his driving. In retrospect he wishes he just wrote him a few tickets and ran his documents in the computer hoping for warrants or suspensions.
The cop was off duty. He was just trying to be a tough guy super pig. Maybe next time, the dickhead will think twice before trying to terrorize people.
The asshole is getting desk duty for doing something in his off time. Dumb pig....
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When I get pulled over, I am nice and respectful to the cops, and nothing bad happens to me.
That's me.
Of course I'm white, live in a nice area, drive a nice car, and am well-spoken and usually well-dressed. I'm also not above peeling off a Franklin or 2 if I happen to have had a drink or 2 and don't want any trouble and just want to be allowed to get home and stay there. ;D
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I can relate to the cops anger. Many times I have seen both in a police car and in my own vehicle drivers operating their vehicle in a manner that disregards peoples safety and is aggressive and hazardous. I think "what kind of @@shole this person must be to do that and not care about others around him" On the ocassions I have been lucky enough to be in a marked unit I take great GLEE in pulling the driver over and addressing the behavior. It gives me great pleasure to catch an aggressive or rude driver. It gives the drivers around him/her great pleasure in seeing the driver get caught by the police for being an a@@. I've had people honk and wave and give the thumbs up on many of those ocassions.
I've WANTED to say much of what that cop said. The driver may have deserved it.( I wasn't there, just basing it on what was said) BUT... I kept that really cool conversation in my head while I conducted the traffic stop. That's what this cop should have done. Because he didn't, no matter what the driver was doing, it now takes a back seat to his unprofessional response. He got consequences for his actions and he earned them as well. Best thing a cop can learn is people are going to really piss them off.. you got to get a handle on it and focus.
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I can relate to the cops anger. Many times I have seen both in a police car and in my own vehicle drivers operating their vehicle in a manner that disregards peoples safety and is aggressive and hazardous. I think "what kind of @@shole this person must be to do that and not care about others around him" On the ocassions I have been lucky enough to be in a marked unit I take great GLEE in pulling the driver over and addressing the behavior. It gives me great pleasure to catch an aggressive or rude driver. It gives the drivers around him/her great pleasure in seeing the driver get caught by the police for being an a@@. I've had people honk and wave and give the thumbs up on many of those ocassions.
I've WANTED to say much of what that cop said. The driver certainly deserved it. BUT... I kept that really cool conversation in my head while I conducted the traffic stop. That's what this cop should have done. Because he didn't, no matter what the driver was doing, it now takes a back seat to his unprofessional response. He got consequences for his actions and he earned them as well. Best thing a cop can learn is people are going to really piss them off.. you got to get a handle on it and focus.
The Cop was an asshole
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The Cop was an asshole
yep, he was.
Another thing I learned is that ass chewings don't matter. Normally the person you are chewing out already knows they are an ass, or thug, or criminal and nothing you say to them is going to make them feel bad, sad, guilty etc. They won't give a mo moments thought to that wonderful heated, impassioned speech you just gave the 16 yr old for breaking into that car... they are just wondering how long after processing they can get out.
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yep, he was.
Another thing I learned is that ass chewings don't matter. Normally the person you are chewing out already knows they are an ass, or thug, or criminal and nothing you say to them is going to make them feel bad, sad, guilty etc. They won't give a mo moments thought to that wonderful heated, impassioned speech you just gave the 16 yr old for breaking into that car... they are just wondering how long after processing they can get out.
He was a Taxi Driver so what the hell are you talking about? Dude you have problems
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He was a Taxi Driver so what the hell are you talking about? Dude you have problems
I see I was going to fast for you Donnie... I'll try and slow it down next time
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In before the cop sympathizers say:
The cop was having a bad day. Cut him some slack.
If you hate the police so much, then don't call them when you're in trouble.
When I get pulled over, I am nice and respectful to the cops, and nothing bad happens to me.
It's clear that this driver was being irate and difficult. If he would have just followed what the cop said, the cop would not have gotten pissed off at him.
The cop was just following procedure.
Cops have a very tough and stressful job, so he made one mistake, big deal.
The people filming the video only captured the last part of the incident. Clearly, the driver must have done something bad that wasn't caught on camera.
The cop felt threatened for his life, therefore he was allowed to scream and yell at him. I mean, look at the driver, clearly threatening the cop.
Sorry Police Officers are not allowed to have bad days. If he was having a bad day and its not his true nature, he should have called in sick...PERIOD! Police Officers have to deal with people, some criminals, some wise asses and some not. What happens now is this person has a very bad opinion of law enforcement because he was treated and talked to in an unprofessional manner. Same goes for other professions, would you like a teacher talking to your son/daughter like that? Police Officers like this one, are responsible for the bad reputation they are getting. No where in their training does it tell you to act like this...I know first hand.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I see I was going to fast for you Donnie... I'll try and slow it down next time
going too fast ? your post shows clearly what you think.
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going too fast ? your post shows clearly what you think.
That's my ultimate goal, to be able to communicate my thoughts accurately in a media that isn't the best for doing that. Though I really think you may not really understand how I think
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That's my ultimate goal, to be able to communicate my thoughts accurately in a media that isn't the best for doing that. Though I really think you may not really understand how I think
No i donīt because i was in situations armed where i opened fire and situations where i used COMMON SENSE. That cop was not showing communication skills donīt even go there.
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At least the cop's getting busted a bit, desk duty, demotion, being transferred, etc...
http://nypost.com/2015/04/01/cop-that-berated-uber-driver-stripped-of-badge-and-gun/
This cop was clearly wrong and he rightfully got punished for his actions.
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Rich.. get real the cop was an asshole
He's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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No i donīt because i was in situations armed where i opened fire and situations where i used COMMON SENSE. That cop was not showing communication skills donīt even go there.
I didn't go there.....
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In before the cop sympathizers badge lickers say:
The cop was having a bad day. Cut him some slack.
If you hate the police so much, then don't call them when you're in trouble.
When I get pulled over, I am nice and respectful to the cops, and nothing bad happens to me.
It's clear that this driver was being irate and difficult. If he would have just followed what the cop said, the cop would not have gotten pissed off at him.
The cop was just following procedure.
Cops have a very tough and stressful job, so he made one mistake, big deal.
The people filming the video only captured the last part of the incident. Clearly, the driver must have done something bad that wasn't caught on camera.
The cop felt threatened for his life, therefore he was allowed to scream and yell at him. I mean, look at the driver, clearly threatening the cop.
fixed for effect
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Sorry Police Officers are not allowed to have bad days. If he was having a bad day and its not his true nature, he should have called in sick...PERIOD! Police Officers have to deal with people, some criminals, some wise asses and some not. What happens now is this person has a very bad opinion of law enforcement because he was treated and talked to in an unprofessional manner. Same goes for other professions, would you like a teacher talking to your son/daughter like that? Police Officers like this one, are responsible for the bad reputation they are getting. No where in their training does it tell you to act like this...I know first hand.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course they are allowed to have bad days. However, their job is directly working with the public, especially in high-risk situations. When you display behavior like that, that could lead to a life and death situation (in another situation). Thus, cops are held to a higher standard and need to learn how to control "those bad days better." On average, if a secretary is having a bad day, that may lead to a stapler being broken. If a cop is having a bad day, that may lead to a shootout, unwanted arrests, etc. All people get angry at work, but different jobs calls for different reactions, and certain jobs require that the person be in better control over their emotions because the outcome may be more severe.
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Of course they are allowed to have bad days. However, their job is directly working with the public, especially in high-risk situations. When you display behavior like that, that could lead to a life and death situation (in another situation). Thus, cops are held to a higher standard and need to learn how to control "those bad days better." On average, if a secretary is having a bad day, that may lead to a stapler being broken. If a cop is having a bad day, that may lead to a shootout, unwanted arrests, etc. All people get angry at work, but different jobs calls for different reactions, and certain jobs require that the person be in better control over their emotions because the outcome may be more severe.
Well said. "Bad Days" are for amatuers. Professionals should be able to hide a bad day. And as you pointed out, professionals who carry guns and deal with the public with arrest authority should REALLY either call in sick or learn to suppess it until they can get to lunch break or vent with a friend.
Even coming off a bad call, where things went to crap, the next citizen you deal with has no clue nor should they need one, that you just left a cluster... suck it up.
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This is the umpteenth time I say this: COPS are out of control. Completely lost control of the situation, which could have escalated extremely fast and created another "situation" in which innocent civilians are killed.
The sheer hostility used towards civilians is something we ALL should be very careful of and learn how to manage because these fuckers can AND WILL kill you over the first inkling that you do not respect their authority over you. And that tipping point can easily be you saying "OK" at the wrong moment.
Only good cop is a dead cop.
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This is the umpteenth time I say this: COPS are out of control. Completely lost control of the situation, which could have escalated extremely fast and created another "situation" in which innocent civilians are killed.
The sheer hostility used towards civilians is something we ALL should be very careful of and learn how to manage because these fuckers can AND WILL kill you over the first inkling that you do not respect their authority over you. And that tipping point can easily be you saying "OK" at the wrong moment.
Only good cop is a dead cop.
sad statement.
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sad statement.
no sad is you were on drugs which you admitted and were a cop. You have no moral standing here.
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no sad is you were on drugs which you admitted and were a cop. You have no moral standing here.
Donny, I think you have me confused with the ex prison guard. I was never on drugs or took them from anyone
But I think I figured out the source of the hostility.. If I were that guy, I'd be pissed too
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Donny, I think you have me confused with the ex prison guard. I was never on drugs or took them from anyone
you wrote about your busts on a thread and taking drugs. now i could not give a shit what went up your nose or ass... but a guy like you talking about a simple video on here where a cop is a dick ? You are talking to me about weapons and when to shoot? ho ho...
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Donny, I think you have me confused with the ex prison guard. I was never on drugs or took them from anyone
Agnostic, Slapper is right to a certain extent. When talking to my father, he never recalls cops being this way. Clearly, police officers have drastically changed over the last 50 years. Many people of my fathers generation do not recall cops acting like this. Now, there may be many reasons for this, however, you can't deny the fact that many people who were alive in the 1950's and before, see a drastic difference in the way police officers act today. I highly doubt all these people are wrong.
Was driving with my pops the other day and some cop car was blocking the way in the street. My dad asked the police officer if he can move his car. Police officer said no. My dad asked why and his response was, "Because I don't feel like it." My pops said, "This is why no one likes cops any more" and the police officer said, "Whatever." Sorry to say, but cops today are clearly power-hungry, assholes in many ways.
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you wrote about your busts on a thread and taking drugs. now i could not give a shit what went up your nose or ass... but a guy like you talking about a simple video on here where a cop is a dick ? You are talking to me about weapons and when to shoot? ho ho...
Donny, I'm going to have to invoke my right to challenge your claim. Produce the post where I said that. I called another poster out for bad mouthing "all cops" and he had posted he worked as a corrections officer, and would do all sorts of unethical and illegal things...
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The good cops get a bad name from these Gun Ho Assholes. Simply badly trained. Bad attitudes.
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The good cops get a bad name from these Gun Ho Assholes. Simply badly trained. Bad attitudes.
The issue is that MORE AND MORE are becoming this way. This is not an isolated incident.
As Bill Maher said, "When theres this many bad apples, theres something wrong with the orchard
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Agnostic, Slapper is right to a certain extent. When talking to my father, he never recalls cops being this way. Clearly, police officers have drastically changed over the last 50 years. Many people of my fathers generation do not recall cops acting like this. Now, there may be many reasons for this, however, you can't deny the fact that many people who were alive in the 1950's and before, see a drastic difference in the way police officers act today. I highly doubt all these people are wrong.
Was driving with my pops the other day and some cop car was blocking the way in the street. My dad asked the police officer if he can move his car. Police officer said no. My dad asked why and his response was, "Because I don't feel like it." My pops said, "This is why no one likes cops any more" and the police officer said, "Whatever." Sorry to say, but cops today are clearly power-hungry, assholes in many ways.
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I certainly understand why it can seem that way. First, memories of "the good old days" are usually colored with selective memory. An example.. "I wish we were back in the 50's when god was still allowed in school" reality.. maybe prayer was, but black students weren't allowed to be in white people schools, they couldn't eat in the same establishments, mortality rate among new borns was higher etc etc.. MY opinion based partly on 35 yrs personal experience and partly history (think of cops in Detroit, Selma attacking black protestors with dogs) is that policing has come along way towards professionalism and we have better police officers for the most part than we did 50 years ago or even 30 or 20 years ago. What has changed is population, crime, and the prevalence of video recording everywhere. It makes it seem like cops are out of control because almost everytime a cop does something wrong, it makes the news or at least youtube/getbig. But the 100's of thousands of positive contacts rarely if ever make it. We are left with the impression it's prolific when its a very small percent of cops and contacts.
We still have a ways to go because if a cop is answering "because I don't want to" then we clearly aren't where we want to be or strive to be. But I really think we are moving that way.
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The good cops get a bad name from these Gun Ho Assholes. Simply badly trained. Bad attitudes.
It's also the environment. In NYC, cops deal with nothing but ghetto trash.
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It's also the environment. In NYC, cops deal with nothing but ghetto trash.
THAT IS PART OF THE JOB!! When you become a cop, you KNOW what you're getting into. If you can't keep your shit together when dealing with trash, then you should not become a cop. That is like becoming a firefighter, then bitching and moaning when you have to go fight a fire.
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THAT IS PART OF THE JOB!! When you become a cop, you KNOW what you're getting into. If you can't keep your shit together when dealing with trash, then you should not become a cop. That is like becoming a firefighter, then bitching and moaning when you have to go fight a fire.
You're right, but not all cop jobs are created equal. Being a cop in some nice Lilly white suburban area is miles different than what a cop in NYC has to deal with.
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Cops are so dumb these days. Fucking useless.
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You're right, but not all cop jobs are created equal. Being a cop in some nice Lilly white suburban area is miles different than what a cop in NYC has to deal with.
Well, that was their free American choice to become a NPYD cop. Did you or I force that on them? No. You can't make a conscious decision about what you want your job to be, then bitch and moan when its not what you expected. Any person becoming an NYPD cop knows what they are getting into. If you don't want to deal with trash, then don't become an NYPD cop. Move to a small town in Vermont and become a cop. But you don't get to bitch and moan and lose your shit when you have to deal with trash. Its the role you took on. Plain and simple.
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At least the cop's getting busted a bit, desk duty, demotion, being transferred, etc...
http://nypost.com/2015/04/01/cop-that-berated-uber-driver-stripped-of-badge-and-gun/
Ha!
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It makes it seem like cops are out of control because almost everytime a cop does something wrong, it makes the news or at least youtube/get-big.
Dude, that's not true at all.
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In before SOME REPUBLCIANS cop sympathizers say:
The cop was having a bad day. Cut him some slack.
If you hate the police so much, then don't call them when you're in trouble.
When I get pulled over, I am nice and respectful to the cops, and nothing bad happens to me.
It's clear that this driver was being irate and difficult. If he would have just followed what the cop said, the cop would not have gotten pissed off at him.
The cop was just following procedure.
Cops have a very tough and stressful job, so he made one mistake, big deal.
The people filming the video only captured the last part of the incident. Clearly, the driver must have done something bad that wasn't caught on camera.
The cop felt threatened for his life, therefore he was allowed to scream and yell at him. I mean, look at the driver, clearly threatening the cop.
it's usually repubs on getbig saying police have the right to treat people like shit. Like bending over for a blue night stick is patriotic or something.
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Cops are so dumb these days. Fucking useless.
pretty useless comment.. how ironic
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Dude, that's not true at all.
I think it is, you think it isnt.. now what?
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pretty useless comment.. how ironic
Just speaking the truth. Cops are dumb as fuck. There should be a min IQ requirement.
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pretty useless comment.. how ironic
Lets be honest here, you don't have to be too smart to be a cop. You need 60 college credits to be a cop. Basically, 2 years after high school. After seeing the way high school kids act, that is SCARY!!
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SF
I certainly understand why it can seem that way. First, memories of "the good old days" are usually colored with selective memory. An example.. "I wish we were back in the 50's when god was still allowed in school" reality.. maybe prayer was, but black students weren't allowed to be in white people schools, they couldn't eat in the same establishments, mortality rate among new borns was higher etc etc.. MY opinion based partly on 35 yrs personal experience and partly history (think of cops in Detroit, Selma attacking black protestors with dogs) is that policing has come along way towards professionalism and we have better police officers for the most part than we did 50 years ago or even 30 or 20 years ago. What has changed is population, crime, and the prevalence of video recording everywhere. It makes it seem like cops are out of control because almost everytime a cop does something wrong, it makes the news or at least youtube/getbig. But the 100's of thousands of positive contacts rarely if ever make it. We are left with the impression it's prolific when its a very small percent of cops and contacts.
We still have a ways to go because if a cop is answering "because I don't want to" then we clearly aren't where we want to be or strive to be. But I really think we are moving that way.
My question is this:
Why do cops ALWAYS have an excuse for everything? They must be absolutely perfect human beings. They always have an answer. It could never just be, "I don't know" or "I am wrong." Its always some lame excuse or "reason."
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I think it is, you think it isnt.. now what?
Don't ask me, you should ask yourself if what you're saying is true or not before you grab it out of your ass. In my case, none of the encounters/exchanges were ever recorded, and in all cases were negative. All.
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My question is this:
Why do cops ALWAYS have an excuse for everything? They must be absolutely perfect human beings. They always have an answer. It could never just be, "I don't know" or "I am wrong." Its always some lame excuse or "reason."
Cops can't be wrong...not on the job in the publics face. Their job is not to create an equal situation in dealing with the citizenry, it's to establish authority. Authority, historically, can never admit wrong doing. To do so undermines the status and privilege needed to maintain the illusion of control and obedience. Historically, authority has derived its right to rule from divinity so to question the king, priest or cop was to question the divine itself and its absolutist position. That's called heresy. The church tries to reform this sinner and the government incarcerates the "law breaker".
There is only force in the world. You can slap on any label or morality you want to...but its just the clothing of naked force.
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My question is this:
Why do cops ALWAYS have an excuse for everything? They must be absolutely perfect human beings. They always have an answer. It could never just be, "I don't know" or "I am wrong." Its always some lame excuse or "reason."
Like what? First, your statement is obviously inaccurate. I think in the last 12 month there were just as many suspensions handed out to cops in my department alone.. This doesn't count the Written Reprimands etc. There are many times cops screw up.. many times they own it. I've sat on Discipline Review hearings where the cop admits they screwed up. So sorry.. I just disagree
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Lets be honest here, you don't have to be too smart to be a cop. You need 60 college credits to be a cop. Basically, 2 years after high school. After seeing the way high school kids act, that is SCARY!!
I can't speak for all departments, buy you kinda have to be smart for this one. There are different levels of testing a candidate goes through in order to reach the academy. Having minimum college would have been 1 of the criteria. But yeah, there are some pretty low level thinking cops in some departments and there are some who teach at colleges part time. We have a few of those as well as several with Masters and Phd's. But you can paint any picture you like of cops,.. if it makes you feel superior
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I can't speak for all departments, buy you kinda have to be smart for this one. There are different levels of testing a candidate goes through in order to reach the academy. Having minimum college would have been 1 of the criteria. But yeah, there are some pretty low level thinking cops in some departments and there are some who teach at colleges part time. We have a few of those as well as several with Masters and Phd's. But you can paint any picture you like of cops,.. if it makes you feel superior
The weapon training you receive is it universal or from county to county in the US. what are the standards?
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The weapon training you receive is it universal or from county to county in the US. what are the standards?
I'm under the impression it is from Department to Department. We have basic TCOLE requirements for Texas, but anything over that is up to the departments.
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I'm under the impression it is from Department to Department. We have basic TCOLE requirements for Texas, but anything over that is up to the departments.
so that basically says there is no one standard. rules of engagement.
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so that basically says there is no one standard. rules of engagement.
Each state will likely have different standards. This doesn't mean they are bad, most standards are designed to follow state law as well as federal law. Supreme court case law is incorporated into training. For example, you can't shoot someone just for running away from you unless there are specific and articulable reasons. Those are outlined. So all states would teach that. So the rules of engagement would be similar.. but the trainining, the hours spend, the amount of ammunition available, quality of instructors, the facitilty itself ( is it just stand up targets, or electronically controlled, or even a fake street with pop ups). This is usually limited by the funds the city has to pay for it. SO yes, you should be able to go state to state, and the rules for shooting someone will be about if not exactly the same.. I am speaking on the amount of training varying
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I originally read your question as shooting range type differences, not policy on when and when not to shoot.
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Each state will likely have different standards. This doesn't mean they are bad, most standards are designed to follow state law as well as federal law. Supreme court case law is incorporated into training. For example, you can't shoot someone just for running away from you unless there are specific and articulable reasons. Those are outlined. So all states would teach that. So the rules of engagement would be similar.. but the trainining, the hours spend, the amount of ammunition available, quality of instructors, the facitilty itself ( is it just stand up targets, or electronically controlled, or even a fake street with pop ups). This is usually limited by the funds the city has to pay for it. SO yes, you should be able to go state to state, and the rules for shooting someone will be about if not exactly the same.. I am speaking on the amount of training varying
so there is no real standard and that was my question. Very confusing and no wonder so many shootings from inexperienced cops.
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Question for you Agnostic:
You and your partner arrive on a scene. Your partner uses excessive force against a civilian. You were the only witness. You get questioned. Partner is denying excessive force though you saw it happen. Whose side do you take? Your partners side or the civilians side?
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This Detective had 12 complaints of disrespect & abuse. Taxi drivers union calling for him to be fired.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/04/04/federation-of-taxi-drivers-calls-for-firing-of-detective-in-confrontation-with-uber-driver/
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This Detective had 12 complaints of disrespect & abuse. Taxi drivers union calling for him to be fired.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/04/04/federation-of-taxi-drivers-calls-for-firing-of-detective-in-confrontation-with-uber-driver/
This goes to show one thing: Cops have other cops back. Any other job, he would have been fired with 12 complaints. Cops covering for cops.
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Another one.
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Cherry wasn't really that apologetic when interviewed by The media. His whole schtick was about letting the public know that his rampage was preceded by the taxi driver honking at him and gesturing with his arms. Which in cop talk means you must be hiding something.
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12 complaints and hundreds that weren't reported. Fire the guy.
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Cherry wasn't really that apologetic when interviewed by The media. His whole schtick was about letting the public know that his rampage was preceded by the taxi driver honking at him and gesturing with his arms. Which in cop talk means you must be hiding something.
the apology made him look worse. Seemed like an entitled arrogant prick who couldn't even humble himself infront of the camera for a few minutes to make it seem like he was sincere. One of the most reluctant apologies I've ever seen. End of the day nothing will happen, he'll just be more aware of cell phones next time.
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12 complaints and hundreds that weren't reported. Fire the guy.
I agree but don't think it's enough to fire him. The union is very strong with some pretty good lawyers. The other 12 complaints will probably come down to his word against someone's else's. This is the only case where you have proof.
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so there is no real standard and that was my question. Very confusing and no wonder so many shootings from inexperienced cops.
You are trying very hard not to comprehend what I am writing so you can post your preconcieved conclusion...in my opinion.
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This goes to show one thing: Cops have other cops back. Any other job, he would have been fired with 12 complaints. Cops covering for cops.
Complaints in and of itself can be misleading. I'll explain. The very nature of policing, you often times get complained on, even when you do everything right. There have been recent examples of people who complained on police, stating they were insulted for being black, and when the video was released, it showed a very professional cop. The black preacher on his way to a cleaners is one example that comes to mind. Another can be the nature of the position itself. For example, we have a walking beat unit that works specifically down town Austin bar district. They handled several fights a night and constantly dealing with intoxicated partying folks. Their use of force and their complaints are proportionately much higher than an officer working the Northwest part of the city. If you were to look at a walking beat officers annual use of force report you would conclude this officer is out of control. But the reality is, the officer is professional and each incident is reviewed to make sure it was within policy and necessary.
I suspect this officer has a problem. Obviously his behavior during that stop was unprofessional. And when comparted side by side to officers in similar positions he may have a very high number of complaints. But I'm just saying, the complaints themselves should not be a reason to conclude an officer is out of control in every situation. Anyone can complain, wheteher it is valid or not. What were the outcomes of the comploaints.
And since I already know the accusation will be forthcoming that I defend all cops.. I will repeat.. this cop may be off the chain and need to be fired because he can't control his anger. If the facts show that then show him the door. I'm merely pointing out complaints themselves are just one of the indicators and need to be looked at before determining it is conclusive evidence.
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Complaints in and of itself can be misleading. I'll explain. The very nature of policing, you often times get complained on, even when you do everything right. There have been recent examples of people who complained on police, stating they were insulted for being black, and when the video was released, it showed a very professional cop. The black preacher on his way to a cleaners is one example that comes to mind. Another can be the nature of the position itself. For example, we have a walking beat unit that works specifically down town Austin bar district. They handled several fights a night and constantly dealing with intoxicated partying folks. Their use of force and their complaints are proportionately much higher than an officer working the Northwest part of the city. If you were to look at a walking beat officers annual use of force report you would conclude this officer is out of control. But the reality is, the officer is professional and each incident is reviewed to make sure it was within policy and necessary.
I suspect this officer has a problem. Obviously his behavior during that stop was unprofessional. And when comparted side by side to officers in similar positions he may have a very high number of complaints. But I'm just saying, the complaints themselves should not be a reason to conclude an officer is out of control in every situation. Anyone can complain, wheteher it is valid or not. What were the outcomes of the comploaints.
And since I already know the accusation will be forthcoming that I defend all cops.. I will repeat.. this cop may be off the chain and need to be fired because he can't control his anger. If the facts show that then show him the door. I'm merely pointing out complaints themselves are just one of the indicators and need to be looked at before determining it is conclusive evidence.
Give me a fucking break. 12 complaints!! Eventually when enough people complain against ONE person, you start to realize where the problem is. Either all those 12 people are wrong and this cop is right, or vice versa. What are the chances that all 12 people are making up stories, especially people who probably do not know each other. Taken those 12 complain, plus this current incidence, this cop should be canned. All the evidence is there. Who is the common denominator here? THE ONE COP!! Again, in any other job, the person who have been fired. But nope, not police officers.
Again, a cop sticking up for another cop without thinking logical.
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Question for you Agnostic:
You and your partner arrive on a scene. Your partner uses excessive force against a civilian. You were the only witness. You get questioned. Partner is denying excessive force though you saw it happen. Whose side do you take? Your partners side or the civilians side?
SF,
Easy one for me. It's not about taking sides, it's about reporting what happened. Accurately. Back in 96 this happened. I responded to a call of a wreck in an apartment complex. IT was obvious the occupants of the car who was hit from the rear where thinking insurance money because they were obviously faking neck injury wanting an ambulance ride. The impact was at about 5mph with little damage and their antics were so obvious it was almost comical. My partner was getting pissed because they were creating a ton of paperwork for us for no reason other than being greedy. The actual owner of that car shows up. He was pissed because he had just spent 2K getting a cool paint job on his car and now it's damaged. I talked to him and he cooled down and we started talking about his car, and having a good conversation. My partner is still dealing with the "actors" no in neck braces and laughing. He was holding a metal clip board and he flings it onto the hood of the guys car. The guy gets pissed.. I get pissed.. I'm like " Come On, don't scratch the guys paint" He comes over and the cop and the car owner start exhanging heated words. the car owner is holding a cell phone and points his hand with the cell phone in my partners face as he is yelling. My partner slaps his hand out of his face. I pull the guy back from my partner and calm him down again. After a few minuts everything is back to normal.. THe guy tells me he is going to file a complaint on my patner. I tell him that is a good idea and I explain how to go about it. He's reluctant because he figures nothing would happen to it but I tell him I saw what happened and I wil tell the truth. So he gets our information. Later, I tell my partner the guy is going to file a complaint because he feels he was treated poorly and I tell my partner he shouldn't have thrown the clip board. He then tells me he is going to file assault on a Police Officer on the guy for his part. He actually goes back to the office to start writting up the warrant request.I track him down and tell him what he is about to do will end his career. IF he goes through with it I will contradict him and he can't win. THe facts are, IF the guy had actually assaulted him he should have been arrested on schene. He wasnt. So how would he explain that. He was pissed but he dropped the idea. The guy complains as promised. I give my statement and the officer got 10 days suspension for his part.
So it is an easy answer, I would tell the truth. It's not a matter of sides.
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Give me a fucking break. 12 complaints!! Eventually when enough people complain against ONE person, you start to realize where the problem is. Either all those 12 people are wrong and this cop is right, or vice versa. What are the chances that all 12 people are making up stories, especially people who probably do not know each other. Who is the common denominator here? THE ONE COP!!
Again, a cop sticking up for another cop without thinking logical.
I think it is more, I understand what happens, you don't. You are willing to conclude based on number of complaints. My experience tells me to review the complaints individually to see if there is merit to them, and to compare the number of complaints to officers in similar job positions. If it confirms that he is a habitual temper tantrum cop, then I'll be happy to show him the door myself.
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I think it is more, I understand what happens, you don't. You are willing to conclude based on number of complaints. My experience tells me to review the complaints individually to see if there is merit to them, and to compare the number of complaints to officers in similar job positions. If it confirms that he is a habitual temper tantrum cop, then I'll be happy to show him the door myself.
haha, whatever you say.
Either way, the cop should be fired just based on this one incidence that was caught on camera. In any other job, the person would be fired. If I made a racist comment in my field, Id be canned ASAP!! Why is this cop given another chance, despite his blatant racism? If I screamed at someone like that in my job, Id be canned. Why isn't this cop canned? Why is he still doing desk duty? The evidence is all caught on tape!! Again, pigs being pigs and sticking up for each other.
So, please tell me, why in most other jobs someone would be fired if evidence like that is caught on camera? Yet, this pig is still receiving a paycheck. I can't wait to hear your excuse.
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haha, whatever you say.
Either way, the cop should be fired just based on this one incidence that was caught on camera. In any other job, the person would be fired. If I made a racist comment in my field, Id be canned ASAP!! Why is this cop given another chance, despite his blatant racism? If I screamed at someone like that in my job, Id be canned. Why isn't this cop canned? Why is he still doing desk duty? The evidence is all caught on tape!! Again, pigs being pigs and sticking up for each other.
So, please tell me, why in most other jobs someone would be fired if evidence like that is caught on camera? Yet, this pig is still receiving a paycheck. I can't wait to hear your excuse.
I missed the racist comment you refer to. If a cop makes a racist comment he should be canned ..
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I missed the racist comment you refer to. If a cop makes a racist comment he should be canned ..
He made a comment about the guy not speaking English, as you can tell the guy was from another country who just came to America two years ago. He told the cop this.
Even so, that level of anger should be AUTOMATIC grounds for dismissal. As I stated, in most other jobs, the person would be fired for screaming at someone like that. But nope, not cops, pigs protecting other pigs.
Furthermore, the cop has 12 complaints against him. These were obviously passed complaints. Why were they not already investigated? Who is pushing these complaints to the side so this pig can keep his job, huh? Eventually, with 12 complaints, you would think he would have ALREADY been investigated.
Again, this absolutely wreaks of pigs being typical pigs and sticking up for each other. CORRUPTION!
Most cops are brainwashed and cannot think for themselves. Its a sick cult.
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He made a comment about the guy not speaking English, as you can tell the guy was from another country who just came to America two years ago. He told the cop this.
Even so, that level of anger should be AUTOMATIC grounds for dismissal. As I stated, in most other jobs, the person would be fired for screaming at someone like that. But nope, not cops, pigs protecting other pigs.
Furthermore, the cop has 12 complaints against him. These were obviously passed complaints. Why were they not already investigated? Who is pushing these complaints to the side so this pig can keep his job, huh? Eventually, with 12 complaints, you would think he would have ALREADY been investigated.
Again, this absolutely wreaks of pigs being typical pigs and sticking up for each other. CORRUPTION!
Most cops are brainwashed and cannot think for themselves. Its a sick cult.
Great post
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Great post
Thank you, Wiggs.
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pigs ??? when you talk like this you take all credibility from your argument ::)
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pigs ??? when you talk like this you take all credibility from your argument ::)
Fine, just replace the word "pig" with "cop."
Either way, my points still stand on their own merit, independent of the term I use.
Hope this helps.
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I wonder if this is the good press that Über needs? I don't know if any of you know, but Über has been having the same, if not as bad, press as the cops have been getting.
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Question for you Agnostic:
You and your partner arrive on a scene. Your partner uses excessive force against a civilian. You were the only witness. You get questioned. Partner is denying excessive force though you saw it happen. Whose side do you take? Your partners side or the civilians side?
Come on....you already know the answer to that...... ;D
And the line of bullshit that you got as a response to your inquiery is just that.....bullshit. No pig is throwing another under the bus just because "it's the right thing to do." The rare ones that do aren't long for the job.
Remember one thing: Cops are professional liars. They lie to get information.....They lie about the information they get, if it doesn't suit their needs. The are allowed to lie to you when asking you questions - that's why you never talk to them without legal representation.
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Come on....you already know the answer to that...... ;D
And the line of bullshit that you got as a response to your inquiery is just that.....bullshit. No pig is throwing another under the bus just because "it's the right thing to do." The rare ones that do aren't long for the job.
Remember one thing: Cops are professional liars. They lie to get information.....They lie about the information they get, if it doesn't suit their needs. The are allowed to lie to you when asking you questions - that's why you never talk to them without legal representation.
I agree. Fear and intimidation rule the police force, i.e., if you're not with us, you're against us and will pay dearly (loss of job via fear and intimidation). The police force has set the system up in this manner. There needs to be an overhaul of the police system and a better understanding of how fear and intimidation are used to keep members silent in fear of consequences.
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I agree. Fear and intimidation rule the police force, i.e., if you're not with us, you're against us and will pay dearly (loss of job via fear and intimidation). The police force has set the system up in this manner. There needs to be an overhaul of the police system and a better understanding of how fear and intimidation are used to keep members silent in fear of consequences.
The police force hasn't set the system up like this. The police fall under the Executive Branch. So, think about it. The police get the ok and wink from up top. From the Legislative Branch and also from the Judicial Branch.
As society falls apart, law enforcement adapts---to regular people for the worse.
Your three Branch's of government figure, "hey someone has to do the dirty work of keeping the unwashed masses in check", and when things hit the fan...they wash their hands of them.
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The police force hasn't set the system up like this. The police fall under the Executive Branch. So, think about it. The police get the ok and wink from up top. From the Legislative Branch and also from the Judicial Branch.
As society falls apart, law enforcement adapts---to regular people for the worse.
Your three Branch's of government figure, "hey someone has to do the dirty work of keeping the unwashed masses in check", and when things hit the fan...they wash their hands of them.
I never said the police force was directly implicated in setting it up like that, nonetheless, they rule through fear and intimidation, whether or not that was developed internally or externally. Of course there are usually multiple systems involved in the ways systems are organized. That does not take away from the fact that the police force is cult-like, and has set up the idea of, "you're either with us, or your against it." Whether that was developed internally or externally is a different question. Nonetheless, that is often the mind of the police force. I know people who are cops who have this mindset-"you help your own!" Period! And yes, the police force does use fear and intimidation. There have been many cops, after retirement, who have stated that fear and intimidation was used against them if they wanted to take an opposing view. You're wrong.
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12 complaints and hundreds that weren't reported. Fire the guy.
This. If you work at Starbucks, and your only duty is to serve coffee, and you talk to someone like this, you're fired.
If you're a cop, you are sworn to protect the public, and you talk to someone like this... still keeps the job? lol
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I agree. Fear and intimidation rule the police force, i.e., if you're not with us, you're against us and will pay dearly (loss of job via fear and intimidation). The police force has set the system up in this manner. There needs to be an overhaul of the police system and a better understanding of how fear and intimidation are used to keep members silent in fear of consequences.
There will never be an overhauling of the system....because it works mostly for those only within that same system. I know there are exceptions, but mostly pigs protect their own, their families, and friends. Also, any asshole that gives their local PBA money for a shield that sits in their windshield gets a "free pass" to most speeding/driving infractions. I'd rather donate to the ISIS youth college fund than have a worthless piece of tin shit sit atop my dash......
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To me it looked like police brutality.
You slam the person's door, with no regard to whether you can hurt them in the process.
You illegally hold them (a form of arrest) for no justifiable reason. By stopping a car on the side of the road, you inadvertently cause traffic jams, whereby other cars have to now switch to opposite lanes just to keep traffic moving. That, in itself, can cause accidents and massive delays that can carry for miles out.
You belittle the individual with derogatory racial undertones.
You scare the passengers and make them fear for their lives (they don't know where the event will escalate to).
You brag about your authority.
He did all this because the driver was clearly a foreigner and with very little knowledge of the law. If it were a more affluent individual, this would have not gone down that way.
Now, I have a lot of friends that work for the NYPD and not all of the officers are that way. Unfortunately, the bad apples are high in numbers and tend to also get a lot of publicity.
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This. If you work at Starbucks, and your only duty is to serve coffee, and you talk to someone like this, you're fired.
If you're a cop, you are sworn to protect the public, and you talk to someone like this... still keeps the job? lol
At Starbucks, complaints about an employee affects business. Complaints about cops.....to other cops go nowhere. Unless there's a video of it like the one of this jackass.
Did you ever hear the recruiting ad for NYC cops a few years back? It started with "Want to retire with half pay after 20 years service?"
Not.....Serve the public, fight crime, make a difference, etc. It would be funny, except they give guys like that guns and they roam the streets. This dickhead had multiple complaints against him.....and he made detective. Must have scored a C+ in basket weaving to attain the promotion.
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At Starbucks, complaints about an employee affects business. Complaints about cops.....to other cops go nowhere. Unless there's a video of it like the one of this jackass.
Did you ever hear the recruiting ad for NYC cops a few years back? It started with "Want to retire with half pay after 20 years service?"
Not.....Serve the public, fight crime, make a difference, etc. It would be funny, except they give guys like that guns and they roam the streets. This dickhead had multiple complaints against him.....and he made detective. Must have scored a C+ in basket weaving to attain the promotion.
Dude, this is kindergarten cop shit compared to the 50s-70s cops.
Accountability? Please, he would have been bragging about what he did, if not have done more. Being an a-hole was accepted back then. Now, it's not.
Also, people in service jobs, like LE, will get complaints, not all, but many will. So, having complaints is moot.
Two, three, four, five---are all multiple. The detective will be/has been reprimanded, and this will flame out, Americans and their short attention spans will forget...but don't look at the bigger picture.
As I said before, you have two entities, the NYPD and Uber, which both are under flack, and yet nobody on here has made the connection. Now that is the sad part about this whole thread. Getbiggers falling down on the job, getting lost in the "eff the police" tangent, and not seeing the bigger picture. Shame on all of you.
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Dude, this is kindergarten cop shit compared to the 50s-70s cops.
Accountability? Please, he would have been bragging about what he did, if not have done more. Being an a-hole was accepted back then. Now, it's not.
Also, people in service jobs, like LE, will get complaints, not all, but many will. So, having complaints is moot.
Two, three, four, five---are all multiple. The detective will be/has been reprimanded, and this will flame out, Americans and their short attention spans will forget...but don't look at the bigger picture.
As I said before, you have two entities, the NYPD and Uber, which both are under flack, and yet nobody on here has made the connection. Now that is the sad part about this whole thread. Getbiggers falling down on the job, getting lost in the "eff the police" tangent, and not seeing the bigger picture. Shame on all of you.
You conveniently skipped over my post.
Anyway, there are systemic issues behind the police force, even at a higher level. But guess what? I don't give a shit about those systemic issues. I only care about how the cops abuse people. Do you think i am going to say to myself. "Well, it was okay the cop abused his power because of systemic issues at play. He's just a pawn in all of it?" ::) So, while the police may be a pawn to higher systems, I don't give a shit. That's not my battle to fight. Its not going to excuse their misbehavior. You seem to want to excuse their abuse of power because they are pawns to other authorities in the system. :-\ :-\ so, yes, at the end of the day I don't care about the bigger picture. I only care about how police treat civilians. Let the appropriate people deal with the bigger picture and change the system.
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Not on of the better episodes of The Sheild
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You conveniently skipped over my post.
Anyway, there are systemic issues behind the police force, even at a higher level. But guess what? I don't give a shit about those systemic issues. I only care about how the cops abuse people. Do you think i am going to say to myself. "Well, it was okay the cop abused his power because of systemic issues at play. He's just a pawn in all of it?" ::) So, while the police may be a pawn to higher systems, I don't give a shit. That's not my battle to fight. Its not going to excuse their misbehavior. You seem to want to excuse their abuse of power because they are pawns to other authorities in the system. :-\ :-\ so, yes, at the end of the day I don't care about the bigger picture. I only care about how police treat civilians. Let the appropriate people deal with the bigger picture and change the system.
I don't excuse their behavior. It will happen, and continue to happen. Why? Because they are human. And secondly, they get picked from society. As society goes downhill, so do the quality of its citizens and since the police are part of that, so they represent the quality of its citizenry. A direct reflection.
People perceive that as a NYC cop acting not just as NYC cops do, but like NYC inhabitants do, for wrong or right.
It's not ok, for a cop to abuse his/ or her power. But it happens. Just like with judges, teachers, people in power abuse it, because they are people in power. What you can do is highlighted, and minimize it. Shame them, reprimand them, punish them. Make example of them. You will never eliminated.
I didn't answer your post because someone else already did.
The only way that the police system will be overhauled would be that it benefits Law Enforce and all three Branchs. As society goes down the toilet, you will see more heavy handedness, condemnation by politicians, but behind closed doors, a wink and a nod.
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I don't excuse their behavior. It will happen, and continue to happen. Why? Because they are human. And secondly, they get picked from society. As society goes downhill, so do the quality of its citizens and since the police are part of that, so they represent the quality of its citizenry. A direct reflection.
People perceive that as a NYC cop acting not just as NYC cops do, but like NYC inhabitants do, for wrong or right.
It's not ok, for a cop to abuse his/ or her power. But it happens. Just like with judges, teachers, people in power abuse it, because they are people in power. What you can do is highlighted, and minimize it. Shame them, reprimand them, punish them. Make example of them. You will never eliminated.
I didn't answer your post because someone else already did.
The only way that the police system will be overhauled would be that it benefits Law Enforce and all three Branchs. As society goes down the toilet, you will see more heavy handedness, condemnation by politicians, but behind closed doors, a wink and a nod.
Actually, no one responded to that post. I don't know what you're seeing.
As for the quality of the police work going down because society is going down is a crock of shit. You can't make a correlation between X and Y, as there is no justification for it. Police officers should be held to a higher standard of moral behavior, despite how society is acting. Its just an excuse for cops to act like assholes. Kind of like, "Well, police are a direct reflection of their society." No, sorry, it does not work that way, especially when you're job is to "serve and protect." If you can't do that, then you should not be a cop. Plain and simple. It seems like there are not enough good people to be cops, and they need to pick from the bottom of the barrel, as they have no choice. Back in the day many people wanted to be cops, not so much any more. Thus, you're getting the worst of the worst.
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Actually, no one responded to that post. I don't know what you're seeing.
As for the quality of the police work going down because society is going down is a crock of shit. You can't make a correlation between X and Y, as there is no justification for it. Police officers should be held to a higher standard of moral behavior, despite how society is acting. Its just an excuse for cops to act like assholes. Kind of like, "Well, police are a direct reflection of their society." No, sorry, it does not work that way, especially when you're job is to "serve and protect." If you can't do that, then you should not be a cop. Plain and simple. It seems like there are not enough good people to be cops, and they need to pick from the bottom of the barrel, as they have no choice. Back in the day many people wanted to be cops, not so much any more. Thus, you're getting the worst of the worst.
Correct nobody answered that post, but another. You reiterated the same points in the following post.
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Abuse? All the cop did was yell at the illegal alien dirtball. The cop should have run a search on the dirtball. The illegal alien was driving without a CDL. He should gave been arrested, and deported back to the turd world pigsty where he came from, where the only thing he drove was a donkey.
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Correct nobody answered that post, but another. You reiterated the same points in the following post.
Fair point! :D
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Come on....you already know the answer to that...... ;D
And the line of bullshit that you got as a response to your inquiery is just that.....bullshit. No pig is throwing another under the bus just because "it's the right thing to do." The rare ones that do aren't long for the job.
Remember one thing: Cops are professional liars. They lie to get information.....They lie about the information they get, if it doesn't suit their needs. The are allowed to lie to you when asking you questions - that's why you never talk to them without legal representation.
clear example of me wasting my time and energy... the hate clouds any chance of information getting through
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clear example of me wasting my time and energy... the hate clouds any chance of information getting through
So let's say the story you told about costing your partner 10 days pay due to your honesty is true. Finish the story.... How did that 11th day turn out? Did your partner return to work, sit down next to you and say"hey agnostic, thanks for setting me straight." Did you then work as if nothing happened?
I'm sure the rest of the department still has your back, right? Even though you are known to side with a civilian?
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To me it looked like police brutality.
You slam the person's door, with no regard to whether you can hurt them in the process.
You illegally hold them (a form of arrest) for no justifiable reason. By stopping a car on the side of the road, you inadvertently cause traffic jams, whereby other cars have to now switch to opposite lanes just to keep traffic moving. That, in itself, can cause accidents and massive delays that can carry for miles out.
You belittle the individual with derogatory racial undertones.
You scare the passengers and make them fear for their lives (they don't know where the event will escalate to).
You brag about your authority.
He did all this because the driver was clearly a foreigner and with very little knowledge of the law. If it were a more affluent individual, this would have not gone down that way.
Now, I have a lot of friends that work for the NYPD and not all of the officers are that way. Unfortunately, the bad apples are high in numbers and tend to also get a lot of publicity.
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And we didn't see the footage of what happened prior to the bit of him slamming his door.
Isnt it odd that the people who post this stuff always miss those bits out.
Its unlikely that the cop got that irate for nothing.
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And we didn't see the footage of what happened prior to the bit of him slamming his door.
Isnt it odd that the people who post this stuff always miss those bits out.
Its unlikely that the cop got that irate for nothing.
The cop already released what happened. The problem was that the car was an unmarked car and the police was not in uniform. The uber driver beeped at the car because the car was double parked ILLEGALLY!. If the guy knew it was a police car, I am sure he would not have beeped. The cop should have realized that the man did not know it was a police car because it was unmarked and should not have gotten irate like that. Either way, as a police officer you're supposed to keep your shit together. No reason to lose your cool like that, especially if you're carrying a weapon. Further, no reason to lose your cool when your life is not in immediate danger.
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The cop already released what happened. The problem was that the car was an unmarked car and the police was not in uniform. The uber driver beeped at the car because the car was double parked ILLEGALLY!. If the guy knew it was a police car, I am sure he would not have beeped. The cop should have realized that the man did not know it was a police car because it was unmarked and should not have gotten irate like that. Either way, as a police officer you're supposed to keep your shit together. No reason to lose your cool like that, especially if you're carrying a weapon. Further, no reason to lose your cool when your life is not in immediate danger.
So the guy was beeping at an unmarked cop car whilst the officer was in the process of carrying out his duties.
Didnt sound like the guy just said "sorry officer, I didnt realise you were a cop"
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So let's say the story you told about costing your partner 10 days pay due to your honesty is true. Finish the story.... How did that 11th day turn out? Did your partner return to work, sit down next to you and say"hey agnostic, thanks for setting me straight." Did you then work as if nothing happened?
I'm sure the rest of the department still has your back, right? Even though you are known to side with a civilian?
Does it really matter to you what I say? we are all liars etc etc. I don't want to spend any time writing things out if all you're gonna do is gloss over it and claim I'm lying. Whats the point?
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So the guy was beeping at an unmarked cop car whilst the officer was in the process of carrying out his duties.
Didnt sound like the guy just said "sorry officer, I didnt realise you were a cop"
No, the cop was not doing anything related to police duty. This often happens. I see unmarked cars all the time, double parked ILLEGALLY, while the officer is going into a donut shop. Yup, carrying out his duties of getting a donut ::) ::) Happens all the time in the city. Then if you beep at them, you're in the wrong, even though they are double parked illegally for no good reason.
Obviously, the cop was in the wrong, which is why he's on desk duty. The cop already told his story, and it was determined he was in the wrong.
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No, the cop was not doing anything related to police duty. This often happens. I see unmarked cars all the time, double parked ILLEGALLY, while the officer is going into a donut shop. Yup, carrying out his duties of getting a donut ::) ::) Happens all the time in the city. Then if you beep at them, you're in the wrong, even though they are double parked illegally for no good reason.
Obviously, the cop was in the wrong, which is why he's on desk duty. The cop already told his story, and it was determined he was in the wrong.
Snap a pic of a double parked unmarked car in front of a donut shop next time you see one.. with the driver inside eating a donut. Shouldn't take you long to run across one right?
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No, the cop was not doing anything related to police duty. This often happens. I see unmarked cars all the time, double parked ILLEGALLY, while the officer is going into a donut shop. Yup, carrying out his duties of getting a donut ::) ::) Happens all the time in the city. Then if you beep at them, you're in the wrong, even though they are double parked illegally for no good reason.
Obviously, the cop was in the wrong, which is why he's on desk duty. The cop already told his story, and it was determined he was in the wrong.
Really?
How do you know they are unmarked cars?
I think your memories are of Youtube videos.
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Sorry if it was posted before
Police true colors become more evident with so many recording devices around
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHh BEYE KE
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This is what constitutes abuse these days? ::)
No wonder the majority of you are weak minded babies who hate women.
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This is what constitutes abuse these days? ::)
No wonder the majority of you are weak minded babies who hate women.
Most people shout at their kids like that
Abuse?
Jeez.
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Really?
How do you know they are unmarked cars?
I think your memories are of Youtube videos.
Um, no, because when you live in New York City long enough, it becomes quite clear some discernible features of unmarked cars, which this man may not have known, given he was only in this country for 2 years.
Criminals are able to spot unmarked cars. They can see them from a mile way (hyperbole).
I am not a criminal.
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This guy to a tee.
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I guess the majority of people here have never been to any city where there is a lack of police or little to no police presence and have seen the condition or state that its in.
They would do themselves a favor by educating themselves on The Broken Window Theory.
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The guy was unprofessional. He was being verbally abusive. The driver, regardless of his attitude prior, shouldn't have to submit to a verbal onslaught from an officer. I think it's a positive thing that this made the news. This isn't how police should act. The Chiefs response was dead on. Any cop who watches that should cringe. It needs to stop
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no point arguing with the anti police crew on here
there are millions of interactions each day between the public and the police
with very few bad incidents
but the armchair gangsters on here are too stupid not to put them all in the same bracket
its like arguing with retards
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Words are serious business. ::)
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no point arguing with the anti police crew on here
there are millions of interactions each day between the public and the police
with very few bad incidents
but the armchair gangsters on here are too stupid not to put them all in the same bracket
its like arguing with retards
they are entitled to their opinion.
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no point arguing with the anti police crew on here
there are millions of interactions each day between the public and the police
with very few bad incidents
but the armchair gangsters on here are too stupid not to put them all in the same bracket
its like arguing with retards
I never said ALL police are like that. When I call them "pigs" I am referring to the corrupt ones who cover for each other.
In fact, I was pulled over a few weeks ago and had a pleasant conversation with the police officer. And he let me go with a warning.
And I agree that there are many good interactions each day. However, with the advent of technology people see more and more the abusive ones, and that colors their perception.
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I never said ALL police are like that. When I call them "pigs" I am referring to the corrupt ones who cover for each other.
In fact, I was pulled over a few weeks ago and had a pleasant conversation with the police officer. And he let me go with a warning.
And I agree that there are many good interactions each day. However, with the advent of technology people see more and more the abusive ones, and that colors their perception.
From reading your posts in this thread, I would have never guessed you didn't mean all cops. Glad to see you don't have a thing against all cops...
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I never said ALL police are like that. When I call them "pigs" I am referring to the corrupt ones who cover for each other.
In fact, I was pulled over a few weeks ago and had a pleasant conversation with the police officer. And he let me go with a warning.
And I agree that there are many good interactions each day. However, with the advent of technology people see more and more the abusive ones, and that colors their perception.
fair enough
in my experience anyone that ustilises the term pigs
is not a fan of the police
i notice you didnt mention the nice interaction in any of your previous posts
just think about that for a second
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From reading your posts in this thread, I would have never guessed you didn't mean all cops. Glad to see you don't have a thing against all cops...
Every time I have been pulled over for a minor traffic violation, the cop never acted like a dick to me.
It would be stupid to say EVERY cop is like that. I am able to realize that there is good and bad in every profession.
The issue is the amount of power that cops have that makes things like this "scary." When you go to the doctor, you expect the doctor to be nice to you, and most of all, to be really good at what he does. Like cops, doctors have a lot of power and we put trust in them. When we put faith in these institutions, we expect to be treated fairly and kindly. When cops act like dicks for no reason, than people start to change how they view them. Now, obviously there are good interactions between cops and people, however, people tend to remember the bad things that happen. What really needs to happen is an overhaul of the police system and better training.
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fair enough
in my experience anyone that ustilises the term pigs
is not a fan of the police
i notice you didnt mention the nice interaction in any of your previous posts
just think about that for a second
Well, I didn't mention the good interactions because we were talking about a dickhead cop. If someone would have posted a nice story about a cop, I probably would have mentioned the good interactions with police officers. But that was not the focus of the conversation.
And might I add, in previous threads, I have mentioned my good interactions with cops.
And yes, I am not a fan at all of corrupt cops or cops who abuse their power. I suspect not even good cops are. Well, Id hope not.
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Every time I have been pulled over for a minor traffic violation, the cop never acted like a dick to me.
It would be stupid to say EVERY cop is like that. I am able to realize that there is good and bad in every profession.
The issue is the amount of power that cops have that makes things like this "scary." When you go to the doctor, you expect the doctor to be nice to you, and most of all, to be really good at what he does. Like cops, doctors have a lot of power and we put trust in them. When we put faith in these institutions, we expect to be treated fairly and kindly. When cops act like dicks for no reason, than people start to change how they view them. Now, obviously there are good interactions between cops and people, however, people tend to remember the bad things that happen. What really needs to happen is an overhaul of the police system and better training.
When you say an overhaul of the police system, what do you mean?
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Well, I didn't mention the good interactions because we were talking about a dickhead cop. If someone would have posted a nice story about a cop, I probably would have mentioned the good interactions with police officers. But that was not the focus of the conversation.
And might I add, in previous threads, I have mentioned my good interactions with cops.
And yes, I am not a fan at all of corrupt cops or cops who abuse their power. I suspect not even good cops are. Well, Id hope not.
Good cops hate bad cops much worse than the average citizen hates bad cops.
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When you say an overhaul of the police system, what do you mean?
Fear and intimidation via, "You're with us, to you're against us." I have known police officers who have basically said this is the way it is to a great extent. Corrupt cops need to be dealt with in a better man. Every system can improve the way it runs things, from police systems to major corporations.
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I never said ALL police are like that. When I call them "pigs" I am referring to the corrupt ones who cover for each other.
In fact, I was pulled over a few weeks ago and had a pleasant conversation with the police officer. And he let me go with a warning.
And I agree that there are many good interactions each day. However, with the advent of technology people see more and more the abusive ones, and that colors their perception.
A bit like all the people who cover for each other on this forum?
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Fear and intimidation via, "You're with us, to you're against us." I have known police officers who have basically said this is the way it is to a great extent. Corrupt cops need to be dealt with in a better man. Every system can improve the way it runs things, from police systems to major corporations.
I'm really trying to understand your recommendation for changing the system. Can you be more detailed?
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I'm really trying to understand your recommendation for changing the system. Can you be more detailed?
I didn't say I had recommendations myself. I don't specialize in police systems. But do you think the police system is a perfect system that would not need changing, on multiple levels? All I can say is that it would seem like the police force can use some changing. Maybe someone here would be better able to provide more detail.
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This guy to a tee.
These two needed to team up -
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I didn't say I had recommendations myself. I don't specialize in police systems. But do you think the police system is a perfect system that would not need changing, on multiple levels? All I can say is that it would seem like the police force can use some changing. Maybe someone here would be better able to provide more detail.
I think police departments have been evolving for years. We are currently meeting on a weekly basis to form a 3, 5 and 10 yr vision for our department. Our methods and training evolves as new and better technics and technology evolve. I think the "us vs them" mentality is going the way of smoking and bell bottoms in many departments. I know in ours we focus on nieghborhood policing. We use social media to inform the public of issues that concern them. We have quarterly Commander Meetings in different areas of the city so citizens can voice their concerns or support.
The "system" has developed in this country for a couple hundred years, based on the English version early on. It has certainly had it's challenges and will continue to do so. But where I want MY department to go is forming and maintaining a partnership with the community. We can't do the job entrusted to us without the communtiies involvement. We don't want to do the job without it. It doesn't work. So when some jackass in a uniform gets blasted over the media it sets up back a bit. That isn't who and where we want to be at this point. But it's an eye opener for the departments as well. You have knuckleheads like this, you need to deal with them. So yes, we do need to improve, I think we are moving in that direction. It's kind of a slow process, especially with the media making a point to pummel people with biased reporting like the Fergusen incident.
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I didn't say I had recommendations myself. I don't specialize in police systems. But do you think the police system is a perfect system that would not need changing, on multiple levels? All I can say is that it would seem like the police force can use some changing. Maybe someone here would be better able to provide more detail.
Thats painting the issue with too broad of a brush. Which police force needs changing?
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Thats painting the issue with too broad of a brush. Which police force needs changing?
Well, LAPD is known to be notoriously corrupt. Obviously some police systems are better than others.
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Well, LAPD is known to be notoriously corrupt. Obviously some police systems are better than others.
Corruption is usually a symptom of something not working correctly at a higher level.
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Corruption is usually a symptom of something not working correctly at a higher level.
True, I agree, that when systems need overhauling, there are usually multiple systems and/or subsystems responsible.
If that truly is the case, then something needs to change at that level. Whether or not that starts with higher-ups like Lieutenants, Captain, Sergeants, police commissioner or higher. The standard police officer is just most likely taking orders from someone else.
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True, I agree, that when systems need overhauling, there are usually multiple systems and/or subsystems responsible.
If that truly is the case, then something needs to change at that level. Whether or not that starts with higher-ups like Lieutenants, Captain, Sergeants, police commissioner or higher. The standard police officer is just most likely taking orders from someone else.
I've mentioned the book Corruption of the Noble Cause a couple times. It is a pretty good read for explaining how things like Rampart existed. There are a couple different types of corruption; A cop blurs the line in order to catch a bad guy and a cop steals money from a wallet a citizen turns in. The latter, there's no help for that cop, he's a thug in a uniform and needs prison time. The former, needs to be taught from day one it's better to lose a case in court than to lose your integrity. I don't believe that kind of corruption comes from up top but it can be stopped by upper management by making it clear and demonstrating that the truth is the only acceptable thing and hold those accountable if they are caught lying. Our policy is we terminate officers who are found to have lied. But most corruption in the department is the Noble Cause corruption. And it starts with little things... before you know it.. Rampart exists and cops are lying, planting weapons, abusing people because catching the bad guy is everything.
I think reading that book should be mandatory for all cadets. It would head off a lot of problems down the road.
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Words are serious business. ::)
Angry words from a man with a gun are INDEED serious business.
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Does it really matter to you what I say? we are all liars etc etc. I don't want to spend any time writing things out if all you're gonna do is gloss over it and claim I'm lying. Whats the point?
Well, you spent some time writing a (non) response, didn't you? I wasn't asking for a novel.....just a few answers to some very simple questions. Since you can recollect the data so clearly from the event that occurred in the 90s, recalling the repercussions shouldn't be that difficult.
Perhaps you are the lone honest cop in the system. The shining light amongst many dimly lit bulbs. You are the one who calls out all dishonest, bullying officers on their actions against the society they are supposed to serve. And you just happen to post right here at Getbig....
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You are the one who calls out all dishonest, bullying officers on their actions against the society they are supposed to serve. And you just happen to post right here at Getbig...
In my job, I would't cover a co-workers ass should she/he do something illegal or alegal.
Cops, regardless of nationality, race or sex, always give the benefit of the doubt to the other cop.
It's mind boggling.
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Remember Abner Louima's case? The COPS sodomized, brutalized and physically abused this man and the main culprit Justin Volpe, quickly changed his story once he realized his not guilty plea was going to backfire on him. And in pleading guilty he had to basically retract EVERYTHING that he had said previously: 1) Yes, he sodomized that man, going as far as shoving a broken broom stick up his ass; 2) Yes, he physically abused that man, going as far as to knock a few teeth out of his mouth, and 3) Yes, he LIED until he was cornered like a sack of shit.
That trial was a deal breaker because people actually got to see what police are REALLY like: Lying sacks of shit that serve the public better dead than alive.
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Remember Abner Louima's case? The COPS sodomized, brutalized and physically abused this man and the main culprit Justin Volpe, quickly changed his story once he realized his not guilty plea was going to backfire on him. And in pleading guilty he had to basically retract EVERYTHING that he had said previously: 1) Yes, he sodomized that man, going as far as shoving a broken broom stick up his ass; 2) Yes, he physically abused that man, going as far as to knock a few teeth out of his mouth, and 3) Yes, he LIED until he was cornered like a sack of shit.
That trial was a deal breaker because people actually got to see what police are REALLY like: Lying sacks of shit that serve the public better dead than alive.
are you sauing we dont need a police force
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no point arguing with the anti police crew on here
there are millions of interactions each day between the public and the police
with very few bad incidents
but the armchair gangsters on here are too stupid not to put them all in the same bracket
its like arguing with retards
;D
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what people are saying and pointing out is that the trash should be kicked out. Tipping an invalid out a wheel chair and laughing is not what the police are trained for. The discussion is not if we need a police force. we just donīt need the fucking idiots.
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Well, you spent some time writing a (non) response, didn't you? I wasn't asking for a novel.....just a few answers to some very simple questions. Since you can recollect the data so clearly from the event that occurred in the 90s, recalling the repercussions shouldn't be that difficult.
Perhaps you are the lone honest cop in the system. The shining light amongst many dimly lit bulbs. You are the one who calls out all dishonest, bullying officers on their actions against the society they are supposed to serve. And you just happen to post right here at Getbig....
You are convinced there may be only one good cop in the nation...that's sad.
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In my job, I would't cover a co-workers ass should she/he do something illegal or alegal.
Cops, regardless of nationality, race or sex, always give the benefit of the doubt to the other cop.
It's mind boggling.
Not the only thing around here mind boggling.. ;)
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what people are saying and pointing out is that the trash should be kicked out. Tipping an invalid out a wheel chair and laughing is not what the police are trained for. The discussion is not if we need a police force. we just donīt need the fucking idiots.
agreed
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agreed
thank you.
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You are convinced there may be only one good cop in the nation...that's sad.
I may have overestimated that number based on your lack of reading comprehension....
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I may have overestimated that number based on your lack of reading comprehension....
Of course..
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Of course..
Are you ever going to answer, or just avoid? How did your partner and the rest of your coworkers react and treat you after taking a civilian's side in a matter that led to a fellow cop getting suspended for 10 days?
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Are you ever going to answer, or just avoid? How did your partner and the rest of your coworkers react and treat you after taking a civilian's side in a matter that led to a fellow cop getting suspended for 10 days?
First off, it's not that rare. You probably would be surprised to know the majority of Internal Affairs complaints come from officers reporting other officers than public complaints. Having said that..
The officer was pissed at me. a couple of his close buddies were pissed at me. The buddies got over it when they heard the whole story and life went on. The officer and I continued to work the same shift together until I promoted off the shift some 6 months later. In that time, he made back ups with me and I made back ups with him. We were professional but he didn't spend any more time around me than he had to. We had ocassion to work together years later on a project and he told me he was pissed at me for a long time for doing that but that he realized he was wrong and I was right. We still don't hang out but we say hi when we pass each other or attend a class.
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what people are saying and pointing out is that the trash should be kicked out. Tipping an invalid out a wheel chair and laughing is not what the police are trained for. The discussion is not if we need a police force. we just donīt need the fucking idiots.
im sure he can answer on his own behalf
i agree with most of the rest
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First off, it's not that rare. You probably would be surprised to know the majority of Internal Affairs complaints come from officers reporting other officers than public complaints. Having said that..
The officer was pissed at me. a couple of his close buddies were pissed at me. The buddies got over it when they heard the whole story and life went on. The officer and I continued to work the same shift together until I promoted off the shift some 6 months later. In that time, he made back ups with me and I made back ups with him. We were professional but he didn't spend any more time around me than he had to. We had ocassion to work together years later on a project and he told me he was pissed at me for a long time for doing that but that he realized he was wrong and I was right. We still don't hang out but we say hi when we pass each other or attend a class.
That's awesome.... I'm glad everything worked out for you fellas...
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That's awesome.... I'm glad everything worked out for you fellas...
Totally not the response I was expecting :)
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That's awesome.... I'm glad everything worked out for you fellas...
here's another story for you. Back around 2002 I just took over a shift as a Sergeant. Prior to my being assigned to the shift, an officer on the shift was involved in a single car wreck. He was driving to a call and was going to fast for the road way, was distracted by his computer and ended up going up into a yard and hitting the garage of a house. He was looking at about 5-10 days off because it was his 2nd fault collision in 12 months. During the investigation he said he was going code 3 (lights and sirent). He had gotten in trouble before for driving too fast going code 2. As the investigation progressed the resident of the house said he/she was sitting in his/her upstairs living room with the window open when he/she heard a crash and felt the house shake.
Interviewed a person walking down the road and they remembered a cop car passing, lights on, no siren, looking down at the computer screen.. then heard a crash and saw the cop car in the side of the garage.
Another person was driving opposite direction as the officer, window cracked, saw lights.. heard no siren.
Officer swore he had his siren on and went into great detail about how he reached down after the crash and turned off the siren...
So we have an officer saying he had his siren on.. 3 independent witnesses saying they heard no siren. They had no reason to lie, he had what he thought was a reason to lie. What would have been days off for driving and remedial training ended in his termination during the discipline hearing because he would not come clean.
Similar story 2012. Fired an officer for lying about using his badge to get discounted tickets to a movie. I can't speak for all departments, all chain of commands but I can say I believe my department strives to identify cops with integrity issues and seperate them from the department because that isn't what we believe in. We're supposed to be the good guys.
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im sure he can answer on his own behalf
i agree with most of the rest
the guy in the wheel chair? well i am sure i donīt need your permission to bring it to light do i ?