Author Topic: Ronnie Coleman at His Best Couldn't Beat Cutler '09 (Read 37942 times)

_bruce_ · « **Reply #50 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:15:44 PM »

Quote from: Genius on September 30, 2009, 09:15:23 PM

Hulkster! DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD, IT'S A TRAP!

swilkins1984 · « **Reply #51 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:23:58 PM »

Quote from: The_Hammer on September 30, 2009, 09:11:38 PM

Ronnie lacked the conditioning to compete with Cutler '09. Cutler was dier and bigger than Ronnie ever was.

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Hulkster · « **Reply #52 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:28:40 PM »

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a lot of people are underestimating Jay's showing this past weekend because they can't look past their own preferences

no, its not that they cant look past their own preferences, its that they CAN see the incredible difference in quality, shape, taper, detail and muscularity between the two.

its not even close:

Hulkster · « **Reply #53 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:32:28 PM »

its not even close. jay may be 12 pounds heavier, but you'd never know it.

thats the difference that muscle shape and detail make..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #54 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:41:56 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on October 01, 2009, 05:28:40 PM

no, its not that they cant look past their own preferences, its that they CAN see the incredible difference in quality, shape, taper, detail and muscularity between the two.

its not even close:

I never said he wouldn't win I said he would outmuscle Ronnie at 250 pounds which is true .

Lurker79 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:42:30 PM »

It took a peak Jay to beat an injury ridden, off peak, gut monster, 40+ year old Ronnie. Arguments could be made for Jay winning the O in 2001, but from the back Ronnie still dominated.

Peak Ronnie vs. peak Jay not even close...hence the 8 Olympias vs. 3

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #56 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:44:04 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on October 01, 2009, 05:32:28 PM

its not even close. jay may be 12 pounds heavier, but you'd never know it.

thats the difference that muscle shape and detail make..

Yeah because Dex didn't have muscle shape and detail

stop neglecting the other criteria

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #57 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:45:14 PM »

Quote from: Lurker79 on October 01, 2009, 05:42:30 PM

It took a peak Jay to beat an injury ridden, off peak, gut monster, 40+ year old Ronnie. Arguments could be made for Jay winning the O in 2001, but from the back Ronnie still dominated.

Peak Ronnie vs. peak Jay not even close...hence the 8 Olympias vs. 3

Ronnie would win but Jay almost beat Ronnie in 2001 in his 09 shape he would have beaten Ronnie 2001 , but at their best Ronnie wins

Lurker79 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:50:21 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on October 01, 2009, 05:45:14 PM

Ronnie would win but Jay almost beat Ronnie in 2001 in his 09 shape he would have beaten Ronnie 2001 , but at their best Ronnie wins

09 Jay possibly could beat 2001 Ronnie. Muscle wise it would have been much closer. I still think Jay's best ever condition was after the 2001(?) Olympia gym shots. If he had brought that condition to the stage he would have easily beat Ronnie in 2001.

Hulkster · « **Reply #59 on:** October 01, 2009, 06:08:40 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on October 01, 2009, 05:44:04 PM

Yeah because Dex didn't have muscle shape and detail stop neglecting the other criteria

he still had a LONG way to go to reach a peak Ronnie in terms of shape and detail, and he had that odd taper with his hips wider than where his lats insert and long torso.. $:-\$

stop not understanding the criteria..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #60 on:** October 01, 2009, 06:18:23 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on October 01, 2009, 06:08:40 PM

he still had a LONG way to go to reach a peak Ronnie in terms of shape and detail, and he had that odd taper with his hips wider than where his lats insert and long torso.. $:-\$

stop not understanding the criteria..

That's NOT what you claimed , peak Ronnie had the shape and detail in 2001 and was beaten in the whole prejudging , so much for that

he was lacking density & dryness and almost lost

criteria? of the part where you neglected balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation that criteria? stop cherry picking Ronnie would beat him but Jay 09 would give him a run for his money

claymore · « **Reply #61 on:** October 01, 2009, 06:24:37 PM »

Quote from: The_Hammer on September 30, 2009, 09:11:38 PM

Ronnie lacked the conditioning to compete with Cutler '09. Cutler was dier and bigger than Ronnie ever was.

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IceCold · « **Reply #62 on:** October 01, 2009, 06:28:25 PM »

ronnie would beat jay from the back and i think that would be the deciding factor.

from the front, it would be very close - jay has the thickness, but ronnie has the shape.

ronnie's awful 4 pack and gyno ruin most front shots, except the most muscular which hides the gyno AND abs - that's why hulkster ONLY posts that pic of ronnie.

i think ronnie would win, but it would be pretty close.

ronnie never had legs like this:

yates would beat both.

he's harder and dryer. ronnie would be giving up 10 lbs. to a more conditioned bodybuilder in dorian.

jay is heavier than a 99 or 98 ronnie, but doesnt have the conditioning - dorian does.

ronnie would overtake jay from the back, but not dorian.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #63 on:** October 01, 2009, 06:40:28 PM »

I don't want to take anything away from Jay - he dominated as illustrated by his winning with straight firsts. In addition, he had that WOW factor as soon as he took the stage...he looked cartoonish on stage.

This being said he is not on the same level as Ronnie. Ronnie had the symmetry, shape, and detail of Dexter but was much, much bigger. Bottom line is that Ronnie would look as big or bigger than Jay (without the blockiness and wide waist), and would have much better detail and shape. Further, Jay was nowhere near Ronnie in terms of conditioning and dryness in the back.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #64 on:** October 01, 2009, 06:48:28 PM »

Dorian would smoke both of them !!

Royal Lion · « **Reply #65 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:01:04 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on October 01, 2009, 06:48:28 PM

Dorian would smoke both of them !!

IMO, Dorian had an unbeatable combination of size & conditioning!

Royal Lion · « **Reply #66 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:04:45 PM »

These shots have already been posted, but they are insane. I wonder way Jay doesn't appear as detailed on stage?

Royal Lion · « **Reply #67 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:06:57 PM »

Is it just me, or is Ronnie getting outsized by DJ here??

Genius · « **Reply #68 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:20:28 PM »

A prime Ronnie vs. A prime Cutler?

It's an insult to the the 8x Mr.O!

Even in 2001 when Jay actually was at his best IMO he got demolished from the back and it was a "bad hairday" for Ronnie.

There will be no more Ronnies and Dorians. "Only" Ronnie seemed to respond to Chad's experiments.

But I have to admit that Jay looked impressive this year - well deserved victory.

JOHN MATRIX · « **Reply #69 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:32:12 PM »

no one was at the level coleman was in his prime. in his best shape he was untouchable, even jay '09 has more weaknesses and less conditioning

Hulkster · « **Reply #70 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:50:52 PM »

Quote from: JOHN MATRIX on October 01, 2009, 07:32:12 PM

no one was at the level coleman was in his prime. in his best shape he was untouchable, even jay '09 has more weaknesses and less conditioning

yes, but clueless ND says Jay would give Ronnie a run for his money LOL

it wouldn't even be close.

you really see how little these idiots know about the sport with threads and comments like this.. $:-\$

Hulkster · « **Reply #71 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:52:26 PM »

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A prime Ronnie vs. A prime Cutler?

It's an insult to the the 8x Mr.O!

Even in 2001 when Jay actually was at his best IMO he got demolished from the back and it was a "bad hairday" for Ronnie.

yup. only morons like Flowerboy and his bitches think it would be close..

but they always say that with anyone vs Ronnie so....

Hulkster · « **Reply #72 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:53:21 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on October 01, 2009, 07:01:04 PM

IMO, Dorian had an unbeatable combination of size & conditioning!

dorian REALLY needs to stop hitting arm shots like this. its embarassing.. $:-\$

it would be like Ronnie running around hitting ab shots and calves shots all the time..

at least he is smart enough not to show off his weaknesses when he can..

ChristopherA · « **Reply #73 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:56:40 PM »

Gimme a break! Is there even a need for this thread? Jays upper body while large and full no lines or cuts through his chest or shoulders. Ronnie is shredded, lines everywhere and bigger too. Dorian squashes Jay like a bug also. Delete thread please

Royal Lion · « **Reply #74 on:** October 01, 2009, 08:02:27 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on October 01, 2009, 07:53:21 PM

dorian REALLY needs to stop hitting arm shots like this. its embarassing.. $:-\$

it would be like Ronnie running around hitting ab shots and calves shots all the time..

at least he is smart enough not to show off his weaknesses when he can..

Typical Hulkster viewing Dorian with his blind hate

If you don't think that shot is impressive, you're an idiot plain and simple! Dorian never had Ronnie biceps, but his arms were still huge.