If Obama's first term was as successful as he and his drones claim....

[Fury]

....then why isn't he cruising to reelection and is instead trailing in polls 3 weeks out?

[whork]

....then why isn't he cruising to reelection and is instead trailing in polls 3 weeks out?

Because about 45% of the population only believes what FOX tell them

[Fury]

Because about 45% of the population only believes what FOX tell them

Yeah, that's it. FOX must be pretty popular if 150 million or so people watch them and hang onto what they say. 

[whork]

Yeah, that's it. FOX must be pretty popular if 150 million or so people watch them and hang onto what they say. 

Yup FOX and other neocon media sure is.

Not to mention most of the population arent fact checkers and will believe what they are told. A circumstance that the republican party quite aware of.
Thats why they are against education and information. If everyone was well informed they wouldnt get away lying on every issue

[Fury]

150 million people apparently watch yet their ratings indicate it's not even close to that.

Yup, you're a retard and a sycophantic Obama drone. Thanks for embarrassing yourself in this thread, sheep.

[whork]

150 million people apparently watch yet their ratings indicate it's not even close to that.

Yup, you're a retard and a sycophantic Obama drone. Thanks for embarrassing yourself in this thread, sheep.

Your the one who vote for a party that lies and disrespects its voters like no other.
A sheep? Thats funny coming from someone who is watching Neocon media in order to know what to think

[Fury]

Your the one who vote for a party that lies and disrespects its voters like no other.
A sheep? Thats funny coming from someone who is watching Neocon media in order to know what to think

A neocon. That's funny.

Face it, you made an asinine claim in this thread, were refuted and now you can't even address the original topic.

Check mate, you autistic simpleton. 

[whork]

A neocon. That's funny.

Face it, you made an asinine claim in this thread, were refuted and now you can't even address the original topic.

Check mate, you autistic simpleton. 

Yes it really bhurts the beating i took here

How am i ever gonna recover from the savage beating you put upon me

[MCWAY]

Yup FOX and other neocon media sure is.

Not to mention most of the population arent fact checkers and will believe what they are told. A circumstance that the republican party quite aware of.
Thats why they are against education and information. If everyone was well informed they wouldnt get away lying on every issue

GET REAL!! Obama got called on the carpet for his lies about Libya.

The rest of your statement is equally as STUPID. Libs like you, if anything, hate information, simply because you no longer have the monopoly on it. As for education, it's the left that want to keep kids dumb and dependent, by keeping them in crappy schools.

[whork]

GET REAL!! Obama got called on the carpet for his lies about Libya.

The rest of your statement is equally as STUPID. Libs like you, if anything, hate information, simply because you no longer have the monopoly on it. As for education, it's the left that want to keep kids dumb and dependent, by keeping them in crappy schools.

"Libs like you, if anything, hate information, simply because you no longer have the monopoly on it. As for education, it's the left that want to keep kids dumb and dependent, by keeping them in crappy schools."

You really are a stupid house boy arent you?
When did lib ever have a monopoly on information?LMFAO

And libs want kids to be dumb? Sure

[MCWAY]

"Libs like you, if anything, hate information, simply because you no longer have the monopoly on it. As for education, it's the left that want to keep kids dumb and dependent, by keeping them in crappy schools."

You really are a stupid house boy arent you?
When did lib ever have a monopoly on information?LMFAO

And libs want kids to be dumb? Sure

GET REAL!! Whork!! Santorum wasn't dismissing college. What he said, genius, that going to college is hardly the sole indicator of a successful life and career. Check out the lion's share of college kids with degrees that are WORTHLESS in the real world. The bulk of them are, you guessed it, LIBERALS.

Plus, a college degree is worthless, if you can't get a job with it, as it the case with over half of college grads, thanks to Obama.

Just when I think you can't lower the bar of buffoonery, you outdo yourself.

[whork]

Are you deaf? He called Obama a snob for wanting everyone to have an education how is that = 
What he said, genius, that going to college is hardly the sole indicator of a successful life and career.
You really pathetic Mcway.


And you claim liberals have a monopoly on information? Maybe thats because they have an education= Knowledge!!!

Yep its Obamas faulth if you cant get a job
Not yours or the employer who wont hire you. WTF

[tbombz]

because americans like instant gratification and they thought obama's presidency would cause a radical revolution in government in america and he has been a moderate and a pragmatist and had to fight against a republican congress who vowed to make him a 1 term president and that means they would not agree to ANYTHING obama tried to do no matter how moderate it was - essentially crushing the governments ability to effect change in anyway..   plus his re election campaign hasnt been nearly what his 08 campaign was..

[garebear]

because americans like instant gratification and they thought obama's presidency would cause a radical revolution in government in america and he has been a moderate and a pragmatist and had to fight against a republican congress who vowed to make him a 1 term president and that means they would not agree to ANYTHING obama tried to do no matter how moderate it was - essentially crushing the governments ability to effect change in anyway..   plus his re election campaign hasnt been nearly what his 08 campaign was..

fair enough

[George Whorewell]

because americans like instant gratification and they thought obama's presidency would cause a radical revolution in government in america and he has been a moderate and a pragmatist and had to fight against a republican congress who vowed to make him a 1 term president and that means they would not agree to ANYTHING obama tried to do no matter how moderate it was - essentially crushing the governments ability to effect change in anyway..   plus his re election campaign hasnt been nearly what his 08 campaign was..

You're right. We should lobby Congress to amend the constitution so Obama can become President for life without having to run in the 2012 election. That way Obama can give America what its been dying to experience for the past 4 years.  

It is funny, if not scary to read your unbelievably unrealistic, false and delusional analysis of the Obama presidency.  

- (1) The vast majority of Obama voters in '08 did not want a "radical revolution in America" you simpleton. What the fuck does that even mean? Most Americans just wanted to elect someone not associated with the Bush brand while patting themselves on the back for putting an articulate black man in the oval office who could qualify for a PC Richards card.  

-(2) Once again moron-- The Democrat party had majorities in both houses of Congress for the first two years of Obama's presidency-- To this day, the Democrats still have the presidency, the Senate and have managed to make a mockery of the Judiciary as well. Not to mention the fact that your point about fighting a Republican Congress completely contradicts your point about the public wanting a "radical revolution". If that were the case, shouldn't the Democrats have cruised to landslide victories during the 2010 midterms?

-(3) Can you realistically name a single piece of moderate legislation Obama has attempted to pass? Can you name a single piece of far left legislation that Obama has been unable to pass or enact through executive Fiat?

-(4) Your confusion between instant gratification and buyers remorse is pretty amusing. I guess Mitt Romney is going to be the one who shoves America toward "radical revolution" faster than Obama.

[tonymctones]

because americans like instant gratification and they thought obama's presidency would cause a radical revolution in government in america and he has been a moderate and a pragmatist and had to fight against a republican congress who vowed to make him a 1 term president and that means they would not agree to ANYTHING obama tried to do no matter how moderate it was - essentially crushing the governments ability to effect change in anyway..   plus his re election campaign hasnt been nearly what his 08 campaign was..

he had 2 years you moron in which he could have done anything he wanted to get the economy going again.

He decided to place his ideology over the well being of the citizens and that is why he is in the shit hole he is in.

you try to act like youre a centrist dizzle but your true libtard colors always come out.

[Fury]

You're right. We should lobby Congress to amend the constitution so Obama can become President for life without having to run in the 2012 election. That way Obama can give America what its been dying to experience for the past 4 years.  

It is funny, if not scary to read your unbelievably unrealistic, false and delusional analysis of the Obama presidency.  

- (1) The vast majority of Obama voters in '08 did not want a "radical revolution in America" you simpleton. What the fuck does that even mean? Most Americans just wanted to elect someone not associated with the Bush brand while patting themselves on the back for putting an articulate black man in the oval office who could qualify for a PC Richards card.  

-(2) Once again moron-- The Democrat party had majorities in both houses of Congress for the first two years of Obama's presidency-- To this day, the Democrats still have the presidency, the Senate and have managed to make a mockery of the Judiciary as well. Not to mention the fact that your point about fighting a Republican Congress completely contradicts your point about the public wanting a "radical revolution". If that were the case, shouldn't the Democrats have cruised to landslide victories during the 2010 midterms?

-(3) Can you realistically name a single piece of moderate legislation Obama has attempted to pass? Can you name a single piece of far left legislation that Obama has been unable to pass or enact through executive Fiat?

-(4) Your confusion between instant gratification and buyers remorse is pretty amusing. I guess Mitt Romney is going to be the one who shoves America toward "radical revolution" faster than Obama.

Dongz, Gaybear and Whork brought back down to reality.

[whork]

he had 2 years you moron in which he could have done anything he wanted to get the economy going again.

He decided to place his ideology over the well being of the citizens and that is why he is in the shit hole he is in.

you try to act like youre a centrist dizzle but your true libtard colors always come out.

You mean the well being of the uninsured?

Obamacare will have the effect that you cant go to emergency room and get free care thereby costing the taxpayer(healthcare is our number one spendig issue) because you are now required to have health insurance.
So he has directly enabled policies that both cut spending in the long run and enables not insured to get insurance.
So how is this putting ideology over the well being of the citizens again?

[whork]

You're right. We should lobby Congress to amend the constitution so Obama can become President for life without having to run in the 2012 election. That way Obama can give America what its been dying to experience for the past 4 years.  

It is funny, if not scary to read your unbelievably unrealistic, false and delusional analysis of the Obama presidency.  

- (1) The vast majority of Obama voters in '08 did not want a "radical revolution in America" you simpleton. What the fuck does that even mean? Most Americans just wanted to elect someone not associated with the Bush brand while patting themselves on the back for putting an articulate black man in the oval office who could qualify for a PC Richards card.  

-(2) Once again moron-- The Democrat party had majorities in both houses of Congress for the first two years of Obama's presidency-- To this day, the Democrats still have the presidency, the Senate and have managed to make a mockery of the Judiciary as well. Not to mention the fact that your point about fighting a Republican Congress completely contradicts your point about the public wanting a "radical revolution". If that were the case, shouldn't the Democrats have cruised to landslide victories during the 2010 midterms?

-(3) Can you realistically name a single piece of moderate legislation Obama has attempted to pass? Can you name a single piece of far left legislation that Obama has been unable to pass or enact through executive Fiat?

-(4) Your confusion between instant gratification and buyers remorse is pretty amusing. I guess Mitt Romney is going to be the one who shoves America toward "radical revolution" faster than Obama.

The vast majority of people wanted a president who wouldnt start wars and bancrupt the nation.
Obama could not fix the deficit in 2 years, who could? so people got impatient. Most people doesnt now how economic policies work and just assumed because the economy was still "bad" that Obama needed to go.

[MCWAY]

The vast majority of people wanted a president who wouldnt start wars and bancrupt the nation.

Instead, they got Obama.

Obama could not fix the deficit in 2 years, who could? so people got impatient. Most people doesnt now how economic policies work and just assumed because the economy was still "bad" that Obama needed to go.

It's been four years and he STILL hasn't fixed it. By his own words, if he didn't, he should be a one-term president. Plus, in case you forgot, his party controlled both houses of Congress (with a Supermajority in the Senate).

His policies GOT PASSED; they just didn't work, period.

How is Obama going to cut the deficit THIS time, when he couldn't do it last time? How is he going to keep unemployment low THIS time (other than not counting people who aren't looking for work) when he couldn't do it last time?

How is he going to work across the aisle THIS time, when he couldn't/wouldn't do so last time (unlike his first two years, the odds are he will NOT have his party running both the House and Senate)?

How is he going to lower gas prices THIS time, when he couldn't do so last time?


That's the part of the debate you apparently missed. Every time Romney reminded Obama of his sorry record, Obama got lockjaw.

[whork]

You really think a deficit built over many years can be fixed in 4?

And do you really think the president has the power to do so?

[tbombz]

You're right. We should lobby Congress to amend the constitution so Obama can become President for life without having to run in the 2012 election. That way Obama can give America what its been dying to experience for the past 4 years.  

It is funny, if not scary to read your unbelievably unrealistic, false and delusional analysis of the Obama presidency.  

- (1) The vast majority of Obama voters in '08 did not want a "radical revolution in America" you simpleton. What the fuck does that even mean? Most Americans just wanted to elect someone not associated with the Bush brand while patting themselves on the back for putting an articulate black man in the oval office who could qualify for a PC Richards card.  
the people who got obama elected, the people who went to the polls who normally dont go to the polls, the youth vote, all these people, they expected obama to come into office and "CHANGE" ...everything.  the first black president!! and he is so inspiring and he talks about a "new" america! not red states and blue states.. etc ..  chammpioned universal, single payer healthcare, tough regulations on big business, ending guantanamo and iraq the first day he got in office..

-(2) Once again moron-- The Democrat party had majorities in both houses of Congress for the first two years of Obama's presidency-- To this day, the Democrats still have the presidency, the Senate and have managed to make a mockery of the Judiciary as well. Not to mention the fact that your point about fighting a Republican Congress completely contradicts your point about the public wanting a "radical revolution". If that were the case, shouldn't the Democrats have cruised to landslide victories during the 2010 midterms?
yes, he had a majority, and with that majority he was pragmatic and worked within the system to achieve things he thought could stand the test of time (would not be repealed the second a republican came into office)

-(3) Can you realistically name a single piece of moderate legislation Obama has attempted to pass? Can you name a single piece of far left legislation that Obama has been unable to pass or enact through executive Fiat?
the reason obama has not gotten bipartisan votes is because the republicans made a pact to vote against everything he tried to get passed. they came out and said thats what they were going to do. they made it their first priority. it has nothing to do with his proposals being left wing. it has everything to do with a strategy to get a republican elected in 2012.  a single piece of moderate legislation? everything he has passed... his signature legislation, the affordable care act, was an idea that the conservative heritage foundation came up with.. an idea championed by republicans like newt gingrich and mitt romney..  an idea that is a FAR cry from the universal, single payer that he was advocating during his election..

-(4) Your confusion between instant gratification and buyers remorse is pretty amusing. I guess Mitt Romney is going to be the one who shoves America toward "radical revolution" faster than Obama.
the simple fact is that when obama was elected we were losing 3/4 a million jobs every month, the stock market was in the tank, unemployment was higher than it is now, and everyone thought we were going into another great depression.  no we have had years of continuous job GROWTH (as opposed to losing almost a million per month), the stock market is doing good again, and unemployment is down to where it was before he got elected.  our economy has improved tremendously since he got elected. the issue is iinstant gratification.

[tbombz]

he had 2 years you moron in which he could have done anything he wanted to get the economy going again.

He decided to place his ideology over the well being of the citizens and that is why he is in the shit hole he is in.

you try to act like youre a centrist dizzle but your true libtard colors always come out.

in those two years he behaved like a reasonable moderate and onnly passed things that were fair and balanced.  your comment about putting ideology ahead of citizens is just plain silly.. time and time again he has acted in contradiction with his base and with his ideology in order to be pragmatic about issues and do what was good for the country even though it was bad politically. his health care reform- bad for his base, bad for his ideology, but a compromise. libya- bad for his base, bad for his ideology, but everybody else wanted it to happen. quantanamo- bad for his base, bad for his ideology, but national security says otherwise. NDAA- bad for his base, bad for his ideology, national secuirty says otherwise. extending bush tax cuts- bad for his base, bad for his ideology, good for citizens.  dont be a damned fool, tony. obama has been reasonable and a pragmatist.  you can disagree with his policies , thats fine and can be justified, but in no way can you say he has put ideology or politics ahead of whats best.

[MCWAY]

You really think a deficit built over many years can be fixed in 4?

Obama thought so, which is why he declared he'd fix it in his first term.

This is one of the reasons why you voted for him. Now, you're making excuses because he didn't.

And do you really think the president has the power to do so?

When he has a supermajority in the Senate and a near-supermajority in the House, he can.

Give Romney the number in the House and Senate that Obama had and watch the guy work.

[Fury]

The vast majority of people wanted a president who wouldnt start wars and bancrupt the nation.
Obama could not fix the deficit in 2 years, who could? so people got impatient. Most people doesnt now how economic policies work and just assumed because the economy was still "bad" that Obama needed to go.

He shouldn't lie through his teeth and make the claim that he could then. I still fail to see how "not being able to fix it" translates to it being OK for him to tack on another $6 trillion in debt, at a pace that blows Bush right out of the water.

You can't spin your defense of this guy for shit.