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Title: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
 you must balance the relationship between =

-total volume and # of sets to failure.
      a) stimulate, dont annihilate.
                <> inverse relationship between total volume and sets to failure.

-strength training and hypertrophy training.
       a) periodize
                  <> switch back to the other when ever you hit a platue.

-training frequency and recovery time.
        a) dictated by record of personal experience
                   <> usually about 3-5 days depending on a massive number of variables.



Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2011, 01:46:57 PM
Nice cut and paste. FYI, balance is the key to any type of training!
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: disco_stu on March 26, 2011, 02:12:21 PM
you must balance the relationship between =

-total volume and # of sets to failure.
      a) stimulate, dont annihilate.
                <> inverse relationship between total volume and sets to failure.

-strength training and hypertrophy training.
       a) periodize
                  <> switch back to the other when ever you hit a platue.

-training frequency and recovery time.
        a) dictated by record of personal experience
                   <> usually about 3-5 days depending on a massive number of variables.





i agree in general but the trick for switching rep schemes is to not switch them too much. i.e. dont go from 6 reps scheme to a 12 rep scheme otherwise youll lose your gains very quickly indeed.

it needs to be a subtle change..i.e. from 6 to 8..AND it needs to have enough time to force the body to adapt and re-learn- i.e. 4-6 weeks..before going back.

ideally one goes 6 rep sets x 6 weeks, then 8 x 6 then 10 x 6 then 12 x 6 then 10 x 6 then 8 x 6 then 6 x 6.

another way is to make slight changes in pauses between sets.

in any case, wholesale changes for short periods of time only makes you feel like you are training harder because u havent learnt it, and it doesnt break a plateau...it actually makes it more difficult to overcome as you neurologically arent learning anything.

dont ask GH15 this as he wouldnt have a clue...this is about exercise science...breaking a plateau for GH15 is upping the iu's of GH.
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: FREAKgeek on March 26, 2011, 02:15:22 PM
dont ask GH15 this as he wouldnt have a clue...this is about exercise science...breaking a plateau for GH15 is upping the iu's of GH.


Are you implying that gh would fellate the inventor of trenbolone acetate if given the chance?
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: dr.chimps on March 26, 2011, 02:17:14 PM
Looks like class is in session. Dr. tbombz at the lectern. 
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Sir Bigness on March 26, 2011, 02:26:37 PM
This!!
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: wes on March 26, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
Lift,Eat,Rest,Repeat
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: wes on March 26, 2011, 03:45:35 PM
..Oh yeah,and quit fucking overanalyzing!!
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: dr.chimps on March 26, 2011, 03:47:32 PM
..Oh yeah,and quit fucking overanalyzing!!
Says the guy who's avatar is a Vegas oddsmaker.      ;D
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2011, 03:50:52 PM
..Oh yeah,and quit fucking overanalyzing!!

This^^^

One thing my mentor always taught me was K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid).
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on March 26, 2011, 03:51:52 PM
this is why I train on a giant beach ball.
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: mass 04 on March 26, 2011, 03:53:34 PM
This^^^

One thing my mentor always taught me was K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid).
K.I.S.S.
Kissing Impressive Sticky Studs?  ;D
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 26, 2011, 03:54:18 PM
K.I.S.S.
Kissing Impressive Sticky Studs?  ;D

Aaaahahahahahaha >:(
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2011, 07:50:20 PM
i agree in general but the trick for switching rep schemes is to not switch them too much. i.e. dont go from 6 reps scheme to a 12 rep scheme otherwise youll lose your gains very quickly indeed.

it needs to be a subtle change..i.e. from 6 to 8..AND it needs to have enough time to force the body to adapt and re-learn- i.e. 4-6 weeks..before going back.

ideally one goes 6 rep sets x 6 weeks, then 8 x 6 then 10 x 6 then 12 x 6 then 10 x 6 then 8 x 6 then 6 x 6.

another way is to make slight changes in pauses between sets.

in any case, wholesale changes for short periods of time only makes you feel like you are training harder because u havent learnt it, and it doesnt break a plateau...it actually makes it more difficult to overcome as you neurologically arent learning anything.

dont ask GH15 this as he wouldnt have a clue...this is about exercise science...breaking a plateau for GH15 is upping the iu's of GH.


yeah the difference between strength training and hypertrophy training isnt that big. asame number of sets, same wait time between sets, different rep range. strength would be mostly singles, doubles, triples. hypertrophy would be reps 5-8.  6-12 fror legs. estimated. 
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: dyslexic on March 26, 2011, 07:51:50 PM
I think "balance" or better yet "moderation" is the key to nearly everything these days.



Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2011, 07:59:04 PM
I think "balance" or better yet "moderation" is the key to nearly everything these days.




true the difficulty lies in finding out how that principle applies to a given situation though
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: chaos on March 26, 2011, 08:10:02 PM
Lift,Eat,Rest,Repeat
Real.



Why do people make this so much harder than it really is?
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: no one on March 26, 2011, 08:19:34 PM
you must balance the relationship between =

-total volume and # of sets to failure.
      a) stimulate, dont annihilate.
                <> inverse relationship between total volume and sets to failure.

-strength training and hypertrophy training.
       a) periodize
                  <> switch back to the other when ever you hit a platue.

-training frequency and recovery time.
        a) dictated by record of personal experience
                   <> usually about 3-5 days depending on a massive number of variables.



UP THE DOSE





fixed
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: gh15 on March 26, 2011, 09:34:29 PM
im sorry but the intitial posting is not true,,it is true in hypotetically machinary world not humans,,even there it is not exactly true,,

for many many years i keep tellin you the key for muscular growth ,,i keep tellin you how to get from your 17 inch arms when play with testosterona to grow it lean and larger,,i actually sit and write it for you here for many many years,,

and i shall do it one more time,,this is FOR EVERYONE WHO TRULY WISH TO GROW,,

the KEY TO GROW IS THE TYPE OF HORMONES YOU TAKE AND THEN THE DOSE OF IT ,,

you will forever be stuck 10% 17 inch arm if you keep using same ole testosterona off on off on and play the gym rat balonie,,

the key to growth is the drug called T R E N B O L O N E


only on trenbolone you will get that arm to be 18 inch and get that bodyfat to be 8% ,,now it does not happen in 3 week trenbolona usage,,it happen in 3 months! trenbolona usage,,and also ofcourse dose dependent ....but you all want to look like bodybulder and im tellin you here how it is done


TRENBOLONA ACE!

HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE WHICH MAKE EVERYTHING DOUBEL AND TRIPLE AND QUADROUPLE THE SPEED INADDITION TO INCREASING YOUR SIZE VIA EXTRA FIBERS WHICH IN RETURN ARE DEVELOPED AND BRING YOU INTO WHATS CALLED 3 DIMENTIONAL RONNY ROCKEL LOOK EVENTHOUGH DOESNT HAVE TO BE VERY LARGE AKA RONY ROCKEL!

then you have the testosterona that always should be there but needed to be cycles right depending on the mission at hand...


the more anabolic you will be the more muscle growth you will have ,,

the best anabolic for muscle growth and the product that works on everyone even if you are subpar genetic is called TRENBOLONA ,,it work on any one ,,any one can be a bodybuild on trenbolona

same for gh ...it work on everyone,,,thats why so many are bodybuilder today!

so the key for growth of muscle is again...

trenbolona ace

hgh

testosterona

those 3 are very important factors in a bodybuildier growth ,,you will forveer be stuck on same numbers you will sit with your 223 lb 12% until the end of days get it down to 200 10% and up to 240 bloofy shit... but your arms will always say 17 inches 18 inches if good arms... the only wway to REALLY GROW AS IN TAKING THE TAPE MESURE AFTER 5 MONTHS PUT IT AROUND THE ARM WHILE YOU ARE 7% THINKING IN YOUR HEAD OH MY DEAR GOD I HOPE IT DOESNT SAY 16 INCHES AND THEN TO YOUR SURPRIZE SEE IT SAYS 18.5 INCHES! AT 7% ,....THE ONLY WAY THERE IS THE WAY I WROTE ABOVE


TRENBOLONA
TESTOSTERONA
GH

it is good to lift heavy ,,infact legit trenbolona after few months make you a walking monster strength that you need to stop yourself from lifting too heavy otherwize may be injury ....so it get your very strong no matter what,,

but ! you can work your ass and lift hard and smart and all the balonie in the universe and yet you will always have same lean mesurements ....because you did not enter trenbolona and gh into your bodybuild,,

try it ,,you will see this is exactly what we all do ,,insulin is for the wackos you see now on stage with no shape or anything depending on how much we use but you can even use insulin very well lif not super abusing it... and you will have to inorder to ever have a a chance in standing over 210lb on stage 5'9

gh15 approved
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: dyslexic on March 26, 2011, 10:31:12 PM
true the difficulty lies in finding out how that principle applies to a given situation though


Therein lies the logic my friend.



Knowledge is Power
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Meso_z on March 26, 2011, 10:33:41 PM
you must balance the relationship between =

-total volume and # of sets to failure.
      a) stimulate, dont annihilate.
                <> inverse relationship between total volume and sets to failure.

-strength training and hypertrophy training.
       a) periodize
                  <> switch back to the other when ever you hit a platue.

-training frequency and recovery time.
        a) dictated by record of personal experience
                   <> usually about 3-5 days depending on a massive number of variables.




tbombz...i would like your opinion....I never have a set rep scheme..i generally go for 4 up to 15 reps in every workout...mixed and depends on the exersice...do you think it harms my progress?  :-\
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Dr Dutch on March 27, 2011, 05:13:56 AM
Balance is harmony, grasshopper...
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: dj181 on March 27, 2011, 06:56:11 AM
Hey meso ma man, the KEY is training with heavier and heavier training loads. If you go from benching 185 for 8 reps to 275 for 8 reps, you will have bigger pecs, delts, and tris FACT P.S. Just wait til Phase 2, and then you will see these principles in action 8)
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 27, 2011, 07:30:55 AM
Hey meso ma man, the KEY is training with heavier and heavier training loads. If you go from benching 185 for 8 reps to 275 for 8 reps, you will have bigger pecs, delts, and tris FACT P.S. Just wait til Phase 2, and then you will see these principles in action 8)


No one cares about your shitty fucking thread.
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: CalvinH on March 27, 2011, 11:10:00 AM
Lift,Eat,Rest,Repeat


This.
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: _bruce_ on March 27, 2011, 11:21:37 AM
Consistency and a sane game plan made the biggest difference for me.
I have to admit that 90% of my training sessions were fantasy workouts fueled by despair or high hopes.
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Meso_z on March 27, 2011, 02:07:41 PM
Consistency and a sane game plan made the biggest difference for me.
I have to admit that 90% of my training sessions were fantasy workouts fueled by despair or high hopes.

Can you be more specific? Like planning your workouts or writing them down ?
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Boost on March 27, 2011, 02:14:37 PM
Can you be more specific? Like planning your workouts or writing them down ?
I think what he means is sticking to a sensible workout plan.

he's saying that his workouts were unscheduled, one minute he's doing giant sets, next he's trying HIT, high volume, etc......

It's very easy to read a training article and get pumped up to try a new routine. But if you're reading a new article every few days, you're never sticking to a single routine......no progress.

Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Boost on March 27, 2011, 02:17:53 PM
Same thing applies to diet.

One minute I'm doing high carb, the next day it's Keto, then fasting, etc.

It's very motivating trying a new diet, but you can flip flop different ideas for 6 weeks and at the end of it all...... you still weigh the same.

The guy who doesn't make his diet the center of his life,,,,,sensibly and consistantly reduces calories.....6 weeks later...guess what? He's lost weight
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: Hulkotron on March 27, 2011, 02:22:44 PM
you must balance the relationship between =

-total volume and # of sets to failure.
      a) stimulate, dont annihilate.
                <> inverse relationship between total volume and sets to failure.

-strength training and hypertrophy training.
       a) periodize
                  <> switch back to the other when ever you hit a platue.

-training frequency and recovery time.
        a) dictated by record of personal experience
                   <> usually about 3-5 days depending on a massive number of variables.





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http://www.nature.com/authors/submit_manuscript.html
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: tbombz on March 28, 2011, 01:20:48 PM
Consistency and a sane game plan made the biggest difference for me.
I have to admit that 90% of my training sessions were fantasy workouts fueled by despair or high hopes.


yes. too many guys just go in and keep lifting untill they cant lift anymore. delusional or misinformed/misguided. it works for someone brand new to exercise and thats why so many guys get confused i think.


tbombz...i would like your opinion....I never have a set rep scheme..i generally go for 4 up to 15 reps in every workout...mixed and depends on the exersice...do you think it harms my progress?  :-\

i tend to think that the body works best doing one thing at a time.

specialization breeds effeciency.

some science backs this up as well (cardio[high reps] and weight training[lower reps] send opposite signals to the muscle)

i think its best if you focus on one rep range each workout.  and stick with a certain rep range for at least a few workouts in a row.

but one or two pump sets mixed in with heavy training might not hurt progress and could potentially benefit you.  trial and error is the best way to learn. im just posting up some general guidelines to help out people. there isnt a set best way to trian. there are just some principles that apply. periodization. stimulate, dont annihilate. recovery.

 
Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: jprc10 on March 28, 2011, 01:53:55 PM
I agree with the people that said keeping it simple is where its at. But I do think that getting progressively stronger on a given rep range is most important, with a moderate amount of volume.

Title: Re: WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING, BALANCE IS KEY FOR MUSCULAR GAINS.
Post by: _bruce_ on March 29, 2011, 01:10:58 AM
Can you be more specific? Like planning your workouts or writing them down ?

1 ) e.g. : main goal... bigger, stronger, own job, brazilian girlfriend

2 ) snapshot of all lifts - weights + reps.

3 ) get 1 rep max of each lift(squat, row, bench/dip, chin/pullup, press) and decide which program to use - e.g. 5x5, 4x6, 6x4, 3x8
weight: pyramid up or sets across?

4 ) use excel to plan your cycle - e.g. 8 weeks

5 ) follow the prog and see if you can make it

6 ) evaluate -
    ...e.g. squats at week 1 - 225lbs
    ...after week 8 - 260lbs(5 lbs increment each weak)
    ..."did I get stronger with ease?" or "I barely survived and my technique suffered!"
    ...check weight + midsection

7 ) rest/deload/readjust

8 ) repeat

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