Your Talmud says alot of wretched shit about Mary, Jesus and people your people call gentiles (although it is you people that are also gentiles or Goyim . So spare me on the Jews don't hate Jesus spiel.
Jesus wasn't Jewish. Jesus was a Hebrew Israelite. And you people have no ties to Hebrew Israelites of the Bible. You're converts. These are all facts that can't be disputed.
Brad Pitt
Tom Cruise
Antonio Banderas
Denzel Washington
Tom Hanks
Nicholas Cage
Robert Downey Jr.
Bruce Willis
Liam Neeson
John Travolta
Samuel L Jackson
Christian Bale
Matt Damon
Leonardo Dicaprio
Tobey Maguire
Orlando Bloom
Robert Deniro
Al Pacino
Ben Affleck
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Thank you for this list. It answers my question.
No I am not clearly wrong. I said stars and celebs, and there are hundreds more stars and celebs not on that list.
And I am not attacking Jews, just curious as it seems to be a industry where if you are not a Jew you have the odds stacked against you.
Again, where is your proof for these supposed "facts"?
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One can also read the 13th Tribe of Khazaria written by a "Jew"....The author was killed.
Your Talmud says alot of wretched shit about Mary, Jesus and people your people call gentiles (although it is you people that are also gentiles or Goyim . So spare me on the Jews don't hate Jesus spiel.
So are you only going to cut and paste useless babble from the internet or are you going to have a structured discussion with proper quotes and passages that you can actually make sense of?
I can go on over thousands of pro-Israel sites and copy and paste their material here refuting your meager evidence ad nauseam, but that just shows that I have talent with my mouse's right clicker and copy-and-paste option.
You stated Jesus was not Jewish, prove it. That's what I am asking for. I would like to read your actual findings, not your google search and Rastafarian site copy and paste material.
Also, you stated that our Talmud badmouthed Mary and Jesus. PLEASE show me that, as I have read and studied the Talmud thoroughly when I was a young man and never heard of such a thing. NO REALLY, SHOW ME WHERE EXACTLY OUR TALMUD STATES THOSE THINGS.
If you're having problems searching for the answers on Google, maybe pick up a book and read it.
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Don't insult my intelligence. Dispute any of what I posted with fact. I'LL GET TO YOUR TALMUD, WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE POINTS I MADE vs. DISMISSING THEM. So please post your pro-Israel drivel. I'd love to continue making you look like a fool. Those cut and pastes are what are called quotes....From YOUR people....Esteemed people. If what I posted is "babble". Tell me what is babble, tell me why and prove it. So Mrs. Lawyer, disprove my "babble".
I'll be waiting. You're already trying to change the subject on this Talmud business. If you want to get insulting we can certainly go there. Seems that your panties are in a knot.
Really? Please show me where it says that.
I've studied both the Torah and the rabbinic discussions found in the Talmud, as it was required to study them thoroughly throughout my early schooling in Yeshiva.
Please show me where exactly it says these things directly about Mary or Jesus. Please do so. When you do find the text, make sure to properly translate it from Hebrew to English, as I can gladly do so if you're not capable of.
Again, where is your proof for these supposed "facts"?
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Um....did you forget what you posted a page back? Did you misremember?
Jesus wasn't Jewish. Jesus was a Hebrew Israelite. And you people have no ties to Hebrew Israelites of the Bible. You're converts. These are all facts that can't be disputed.
Again, where is your proof for these supposed "facts"?
So Mrs. Lawyer, disprove my "babble".
I'd love to continue making you look like a fool.
I asked you to prove that Jesus was not Jewish based on facts.
I also asked you to prove your statements regarding the Talmud badmouthing Mary and Jesus.
I didn't ask you to debate the difference between being Jewish, Hebrew or Israeli.
LIE. See page one, bottom of page. You asked for facts, I gave them to you, you didn't like them, you try to dismiss them as babble when they are quotes from your people...esteem people might I say, which support my argument and the fact that you people are not who you say you are. I believe many of you indeed do not know yourselves....Here's a quote..." The story of the Khazar Empire as it slowly emerges from the past begins to look like the cruelest hoax which history ever perpetuated." ....Arthur Koestler.
Do you get it? The question is, do YOU get it?
The above bolded issues are what I am seeking answers to. You won't get a single answer from me, until this argument is settled see how you wanted your facts and you instantly dismiss them...You are a lawyer? Hahahahahahhahahahahahah hahaha.
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Please go back and show me what I posted.
This is what you stated:
...and this is what I posted in reply to that:
My contention stands with regards to your statements about Jesus not being Jewish based on facts. I seek for you to show me where you base your statements from.
I also asked you to prove your statements regarding the Talmud badmouthing Mary and Jesus.
I didn't ask you to debate the difference between being Jewish, Hebrew or Israeli.
Also, Wiggs, no one has insulted you or your intelligence.
The material you posted is not from your own research, but instead copied and pasted from various "hate" sites on the internet.
Your statements here...
....are what I call insults.
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Wiggs,
First and foremost, I never stated that I was a lawyer. Check your facts before you state lies.
Second, I specifically asked you to debate where in the Talmud does it speak badly of both Jesus and Mary, which you CAN'T do because it doesn't exist.
Third, I asked you to prove that Jesus was not Jewish.
You decided to throw in your usual "Jews are not Hebrew Israelites" nonsense, which you always like to throw in whenever you get the chance.
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One issue at a time. And they stay separate
Passive aggressiveness is a form of insult, you know it and I know it.
Your Talmud says alot of wretched shit about Mary, Jesus
Jesus wasn't Jewish.
"Second, I specifically asked you to debate where in the Talmud does it speak badly of both Jesus and Mary, which you CAN'T do because it doesn't exist." - Check your facts before you state lies.
Go ahead and post your cut-and-paste argument for this supposed lie.
Please do..
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Go ahead and post your cut-and-paste argument for this supposed lie.
Please do..
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it seems like a dangerous game to have an argument with you, since you've become a mod. fuck around and hit the wrong key, and a getbig member ends up in purgatory.
Yawn....You've read my terms and until you abide by them, (which are very reasonable) this conversation between you and I is over. You post no argument to my quotes and facts because there is no logical argument to be made.
You lose, I win.
You don't want any part of this argument trust me. Which is why chose the route you did to avoid it and end it. Tootles :-*
Exactly.
YOU made statements, which YOU claimed were facts. When asked to show proof of YOUR FACTS, you come short. The burden of proof falls on the person making the claims (That's the established rule of debate used in academic settings as well as a court of law).
I asked you to prove two of your supposed facts, "Claiming the Talmud badmouthed Mary and Jesus" and that "Jesus was NOT Jewish".
You can't do either and instead want me to created an argument for you.
Why don't we allow for the GetBig collective to read this thread and decide who made more sense in the exchange?
If I am ever wrong, I have no qualms in stating so. I am not proud in that sense, nor do I claim to know everything. On the contrary, I know what I know and I also know what I don't know. What I am always willing to do is learn new things regarding things which are foreign to me.
What I do know is that what you stated regarding the Talmud's badmouthing of Mary and Jesus is NOT correct. I asked you to show proof of that, because in all my years as a youth studying the Talmud, I never read that or heard mention of that, but I am willing to translate whatever section you speak of from Hebrew to English, if you can find it.
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The facts didn't come short. You failed to respond to THE FACTS. Every single one. End of story.
You made statements, which you claimed were facts. YOU must show proof to justify your supposed facts.
Since your facts have no verifiable evidence behind them, they are no longer facts, but instead lies.
That is the end of the story.
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Ha ha ha ha! Right....I won't hold my breath on you disputing what your people wrote. Love how you get into the semantics vs. addressing the facts. That tells alot. If they're lies, provide the truths to those lies. Your people wrote it.
Most actors may not be but most of the producers/real decision makers in hollywood def are jews.
The jewish influence on our society, government, even local communities is vastly greater than most people realize.
Repeating what you've said isn't going to make me change my mind.
You know what to do if you want your questions answered. Answer mine. Jesus was not a Jew. The term "Jew" is a new term relative to the Bible. A Jew is not a Hebrew Israelite. In addition, A "Jew" is not Semitic. Arabs are Semitic, Black Hebrews are Semitic. Sons of Shem. Not converts from Europe.
Enough of your repetitious nonsense.
Repeating what you've said isn't going to make me change my mind.
You know what to do if you want your questions answered. Answer mine. Jesus was not a Jew. The term "Jew" is a new term relative to the Bible. A Jew is not a Hebrew Israelite. In addition, A "Jew" is not Semitic. Arabs are Semitic, Black Hebrews are Semitic. Sons of Shem. Not converts from Europe.
Enough of your repetitious nonsense.
It doesn't bother me if you don't change your mind. You have the freedom to believe what you want to believe. That is perfectly fine.
You have YET to post proof for your claims regarding the Talmud badmouthing Mary and Jesus or regarding Jesus being Jewish.
Until you actually show proof of your claims to verify them as facts, you've found yourself in your own stalemate.
Thanks Wiggs, for the argument about potentially having an argument.
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No I haven't, because I never began address that point as I was trying to address other points. Unfortunately because you refused to address those other points, we never got to that one.
Your Talmud says alot of wretched shit about Mary, Jesus and people your people call gentiles (although it is you people that are also gentiles or Goyim . So spare me on the Jews don't hate Jesus spiel. Jesus wasn't Jewish. Jesus was a Hebrew Israelite. And you people have no ties to Hebrew Israelites of the Bible. You're converts. These are all facts that can't be disputed.
Your Talmud says alot of wretched shit about Mary, Jesus
Jesus wasn't Jewish.
You may have the last word. 'Cause I'm done.
Wiggs, please enlighten us how Jesus was not a Hebrew Israelite from Judea?
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You may have the last word. 'Cause I'm done.
TL:DR:CUT/PASTE
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You mean cut/paste as you just did?
Sounds like a personal problem. I posted the truth so you wouldn't confuse the masses. If they're interested, they'll read.
You may have the last word. 'Cause I'm done.
No you didn't. You simply cut and pasted away as you usually do.
Sure you are..
Prove with verifiable facts that the Talmud badmouthed both Mary and Jesus and that Jesus was NOT a Jew.
Prove it or stop it already with your incessant cut and paste approach.
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yes, YES! See you know! The word JEW is a made name and a made up race. From KHAZARS...The Khazarian Empire. Stealing another peoples race and passing it off as their own. The jig is up.:-[
it seems like a dangerous game to have an argument with you, since you've become a mod. fuck around and hit the wrong key, and a getbig member ends up in purgatory.
Are you going to address what I just provided for you from Benwork jamin Freedman himself a "Jew". There is no need to recreate the wheel if one is available. This isnt the first time this argument has come up. And for that I choose to quote people that are much more esteemed than myself. So I highly suggest you read what I just posted vs. ignoring it. because as was my first go around, these are facts.
And no, I'm not a member of Black Hebrew Israelites, I'm not a member nor do I associate with any religious group. Although they are correct in much of what they preach, they (BHI) preach hate. But, I'd love to see you verbally slaughtered by these guys cause you wouldn't have a chance in hell against them.
Oh I get it, you don't have any proof based on your own conclusions. Instead, you're going to cut and paste a tremendously large piece of work from someone else and have me go at it with a cut and paste article.
Cute, but that's not debating, that's you taking the easy way out, by asking me to debate someone else but you..
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There's nothing cute about it. My conclusions are drawn from facts. Facts that I posted. Those facts came from someone else interested in what I was interested in. You won't address those facts. That's your problem. And still you won't debate them. No "Jew" will. But you all are certainly vocal about everything else regarding yourselves....Everything except the most incendiary topic regarding your people. How convenient. Even Farrakhan openly called for a debate with ANY Jewish Rabbi or scholar regarding some of what I spoke about today. Guess how many took him up on his offer....ZERO. So you can remain willfully ignorant if you chose (if that is the case), that's your business.
That's not taking the easy way out. That's called not re-researching fact already researched and published. If you review this thread, you'll see that for me, it's business as usual but for you, you've gone into what would be considered a meltdown for yourself and now you've been reduced to repeating a failed mantra and arguing semantics. It's quite laughable coming from "Onemorerep" especially considering we never really got started. So you can throw your tantrums and get butt hurt because I won't talk about what you want to talk about in the order you want to talk about it or you can admit that I'm indeed correct, or try to argue against my points, then once I feel they've been argued thoroughly even if we agree to disagree, we move on to the next topic. Because the longer this thread goes, the worse you look.
On a side note, do you belong to the "Black Israelites" group?
I see them around Times Square dressed up as knights of Jerusalem and was curious if this is the group you belong to.
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Just as you post one article claiming that Jesus wasn't Jewish, I can post 10 articles starting otherwise.
That's not debating...
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There's nothing cute about it. My conclusions are drawn from facts. Facts that I posted. Those facts came from someone else interested in what I was interested in. You won't address those facts. That's your problem. And still you won't debate them. No "Jew" will. But you all are certainly vocal about everything else regarding yourselves....Everything except the most incendiary topic regarding your people. How convenient. Even Farrakhan openly called for a debate with ANY Jewish Rabbi or scholar regarding some of what I spoke about today. Guess how many took him up on his offer....ZERO. So you can remain willfully ignorant if you chose (if that is the case), that's your business.
That's not taking the easy way out. That's called not re-researching fact already researched and published. If you review this thread, you'll see that for me, it's business as usual but for you, you've gone into what would be considered a meltdown for yourself and now you've been reduced to repeating a failed mantra and arguing semantics. It's quite laughable coming from "Onemorerep" especially considering we never really got started. So you can throw your tantrums and get butt hurt because I won't talk about what you want to talk about in the order you want to talk about it or you can admit that I'm indeed correct, or try to argue against my points, then once I feel they've been argued thoroughly even if we agree to disagree, we move on to the next topic. Because the longer this thread goes, the worse you look.
I'm not claiming, I'm stating a fact. And in any article you post if it is false regarding this topic, I can tell why it's false on each point. My long article happens to be a retort to what your article was saying. My article provides the etymology of the term, how it has changed, where it is used and how, how it has been used to confuse the masses. There's no doubting it. It is factual. Written BY THE WAY, BY A JEW! And not any JEW but an ESTEEMED JEW.
If I were you, I wouldn't want any part of it either. Don't worry, you can slither out of the back door.
Ok, so let's review...
YOU claim that the Talmud badmouthed both Mary and Jesus, when I asked you to refute it (you know, form a logical retort with YOUR own words) you come short and can't produce anything.
I asked YOU to prove your statement that Jesus was NOT a Jew (you know, form a logical retort with YOUR own words) and instead you post up a 10-page article written by some historian on the matter.
Again, the only thing proved here is that YOU don't know what you're talking about and instead are resorting to copying and pasting articles from Google.
If you don't know what you are talking about, why are you pretending to even argue. You have done no debating here. You have proven nothing more than the fact that you are capable of googling a random phrase and pasting the results you found.
Come on Wiggs, that is what's truly laughable. You spout all these claims that you say are facts, but can't prove them by way of using your own logic, reasoning and understanding of the information. No, instead, you want me to argue against a historian that writes about this for a living.
I got news for you buddy, I'm not a Rabbi sitting inside of synagogue waiting for a Google scholar to fling articles at me.
Either have a debate or don't..
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As I stated earlier in this thread. I addressed the "Jesus" is a "Jew" topic first because like my other previous statements, as in "The original Hebrews were black", it's something I've independently researched at great lengths and enjoy speaking about it. Your Talmud issue would have been addressed, had I received the courtesy of having the facts I provided disputed. In four pages of this thread, you haven't addressed a single word of what I posted. Now, you're changing the story. When anyone can go back and look and see you asked me to address those issues, I chose to start with the latter for reasons I gave above, I provided facts. NOT 10 PAGES or even 1 FULL PAGE. You decided not to address or even recognize the facts or the authors from which they came...ALL ESTEEMED JEWS BTW.
THEN, you post some article AFTER the argument was clearly over to try to rev things up again and tried to " ::) " me when I responded to it and quoted that I stated you may have the last word. You had your last word, then started up up again...That is what's known as a "bitch move". Remember that.
I then provided at "10 page" retort to your "bitch move". So now, you just posted, that I want you to argue with historians? Well yes. You've asked for facts. I retrieved my information from LEGIT HISTORIANS (ones that tell the truth) and you're butt hurt because I went to the most legit source. This is much more than a cut/paste as I previously stated, we didn't even get started. I was trying to establish facts from historians which can't be logically argued and you can't even agree on that. So to that I ask, what is you're problem with them? Why are they wrong? What is the truth? You won't do that. We never got past stage 1 and you quit. I full well know you're certainly not a "Rabbi" and you don't do this for a living.
If you accept the Bible, you need look no further than Matthew 1, verse 1, (ie the very first verse of the New Testament):
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/matthew-kjv.html
Matt.1
[1] The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
[2] Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
[3] And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
[4] And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
[5] And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
[6] And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
[7] And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
[8] And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
[9] And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
[10] And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
[11] And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
[12] And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
[13] And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
[14] And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
[15] And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
[16] And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Thank you for clearly showing once again that Jesus was a descendant of Judah, which in fact makes him Jewish.Wiggs loses again. Has he ever won?
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My head hurts from this thread. Give it up Wiggs. You have no chance against One.
Wiggs loses again. Has he ever won?
Thank you for clearly showing once again that Jesus was a descendant of Judah, which in fact makes him Jewish.
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Not claiming that Jesus wasn't Jewish , however the genealogies are contradictory so therefore can't be trusted.
I agree with you, Wiggs made a couple of claims and the onus is on him to back them up , not vice-versa
The genealogies I used were strictly from the New Testament. All of the material presented in the New Testament points to Jesus being a descendant of David, which in turn was a descendant of Judah, thereby making him a Jew.Oy Vey,I got headache from this thread! Wiggs is meshuganah!
Likewise, both Mary and Joseph's genealogies can be traced directly to Judah, making them both Jews.
Not to mention that:
Jesus preached from the Torah (Only a Jew would use the Torah)
Got circumcised (A practice used to keep the pact given to Abraham)
Prayed in a synagogue (Why would you do that if you weren't a Jew?)
Was allowed into the temple (which is VERY IMPORTANT since only Jews were allowed into the temple, gentiles could not enter)
I'm not saying that you're implying otherwise, just adding those tidbits as supporting factors to my original argument.
I agree. I didn't make those claims, he did. In light of his claiming those statements as facts, the burden of proof falls on him.
The key is to make a clear and logical argument, using your own words, to show the members how your point makes sense and why it should be taken as truth.
I refuted his statements, now I await to see what he presents.
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P.S. I enjoy these types of debates, as I find no one walks away a loser. Moreover, it's a great learning experience.
Even then they are big Jew supporters. Schwarzenegger as gov. made his first trip to guess where? Isreal? Why the fuck is the California gov. making trips to Israel?You can say that again. Arnold even allows a douche bag to tickle his chin in front of the audience - like a puppet on display. I lost a lot of respect for Arnold after this humiliating exhibition.
In the end nepotism rules in Hollywood.
Just look at how the fuck douches like Shia Lebeouf and Jesse Eisenberg are "stars"
Retardazza and another useless thread. Who saw that one coming?
Wiggs,give it up. i read the whole thread and this is getting painful..And I'm an atheist.
It's just your way of argueing is flawed,I must say.
Not claiming that Jesus wasn't Jewish , however the genealogies are contradictory so therefore can't be trusted .wow, he went full on asshole with that.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.html
I agree with you Wiggs made a couple of claims and the onus is on him to back them up , not vice-versa
The evidence of Jesus as a historical figure is pretty thin
This marks over 16 hours since my retort had been up. Wiggs has clearly seen my rebuttal but had yet to reply. Just because I'm a good sport, I will leave this thread here for 3 more hours. Hopefully, Wiggs will come through with a reply.I think he took his dreidel and went home.
Waiting on you Wiggs,
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I think he took his dreidel and went home.
Wiggs,Does this count as an owning? Maybe a downgrade to an outing? There will be fallout.
It's been 24 hours since I made my rebuttal to your post.
You've logged in twice over the course of those 24 hours and each time for hours at a time.
Will you not come back and finish the debate?
Isn't that, in your own words, a "bitch move"?
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Does this count as an owning? Maybe a downgrade to an outing? There will be fallout.
It's quite laughable coming from "Onemorerep" especially considering we never really got started. So you can throw your tantrums and get butt hurt because I won't talk about what you want to talk about in the order you want to talk about it or you can admit that I'm indeed correct, or try to argue against my points, then once I feel they've been argued thoroughly even if we agree to disagree, we move on to the next topic. Because the longer this thread goes, the worse you look.
If I were you, I wouldn't want any part of it either. Don't worry, you can slither out of the back door.
That is what's known as a "bitch move". Remember that.
I don't think so.That's okay One, We will say it for you. Wiggs got raped in this thread.
I see this as merely a friendly debate between two forum friends. I don't see Wiggs as a foe. Instead, I think he is a funny guy with entertaining material.
What he did do, which I found a little much, was that he resorted to these tactics below:
Followed by this..
I was generous enough to take the time out to write a proper rebuttal to the argument he posted (which wasn't even his own argument, as he didn't write it and just copied and pasted the works of a fraudulent Jew that was both anti-semitic and anti-zionist). He has now taken over 24 hours and has yet to respond. He has logged in twice during those 24 hours and each time he logged in, he was on for more than an hour and I purposely bumped the thread during each of those times for his convenience. I even had a fellow moderator bring back this thread from the general topics section, just so that he could have the basic courtesy extended to him for a proper rebuttal on his part.
Now, 24 hours later and multiple times viewed, he has yet to even chime in after I wrote a thorough rebuttal IN MY OWN WORDS with adequate proof from the only source we have as a reference to Jesus' life. I didn't need to use any fancy authors or material from someone else. Instead, I just opened up a regular bible and took a few minutes to dissect a few verses while pointing out the clear and inarguable points for him to debate over.
After providing him with what he desired, his lack of response to this thread is....oh, I don't know, I will leave it to his own words for a proper description:
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wiggs always disappears after starting an "incendiary" thread... it's happened countless times
probably believes he's some sort of "self-styled TA"
lolol
That is what's known as a "bitch move". Remember that.
I don't know. I wouldn't call him a self-styled TA, as I believe he has his own style. The issue I see is that for as much huffing and puffing as he did, his sudden lack of response, even after multiple logins and ample amount of time present during each log in (>1 hour), it just seems a little, I don't know like a...Hahahahahaha!!!! You are surgical. Maybe one day we can lock horns, and find out the true champion. :-*
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Hahahahahaha!!!! You are surgical. Maybe one day we can lock horns, and find out the true champion. :-*
I don't think I have the courage to go at it with you sir.;D
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Hahahahahaha!!!! You are surgical. Maybe one day we can lock horns, and find out the true champion. :-*Outed!
Outed!Yeah, that did sound kind of gay. ;D Much deserved.
Most actors may not be but most of the producers/real decision makers in hollywood def are jews. A lot of them use fake names. The jewish influence on our society, government, even local communities is vastly greater than most people realize.
OF COURSE Jesus was Jewish how is these even open to debate?
I read the article Wiggs posted and it's an excellent read....the history of the term Jew is fascinating.You are a good man. Nothing that you read from those times can be proven. That is 100% fact. This is where the whole faith debate comes in. I hope you are right.
As far as I'm concerned Jesus Christ himself identified as a Jew/Hebrew/Israelite/Judean.....a descendant of King David.
Although the etomology of the term "Jew" as Wiggs' article states is compelling. Regardless of the term "Jew" being a misused or mistranslated form of slang, the people in reference to the terms are the very same Hebrew speaking Israelites freed from Egyptian slavery. David and the incarnate Son of God directly descend from this line. The discussion around specific semantics involving the use of the term "Jew" does not take away from the greater context of historical scripture. Words are important, words are powerful, but most often context clarifies the use (or even the misuse) of those words.
You are a good man. Nothing that you read from those times can be proven. That is 100% fact. This is where the whole faith debate comes in. I hope you are right.I do appreciate the compliment.