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I remember when the whole Cybergenics, dibencozide, EAS thing took the bodybuilding community by storm...
I was an avid reader of MuscleMedia 2000 back in the early 90's...I spent over $200 on the EAS "boxed kit" that had the supposed supplement of the future, vanadyl sulfate and HMB. Oh to go back in time and get my money back lol!
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Hahaha yeah I bought cybergenics when I was a gullible teen.i remember all the ads with Franco santoriello I believe.Still good times and I'd probably take it again given the chance as it's a learning experience you could say.
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take your pick from:
1) twinlab MCT fuel orange flavor
2) Vandal sulphate
3) nettle root extract - forget who made it
4) Muscletech Acetabolan
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Also lost my $200 to Cybergenics. It had a training regimen and diet plan that was very very hard so it gave them an out if it "didn't work." But it was a great learning experience also. Learned a lot about micromanaging my food intake and it also opened my eyes big time that it was all scams.
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take your pick from:
1) twinlab MCT fuel orange flavor
2) Vandal sulphate
3) nettle root extract - forget who made it
4) Muscletech Acetabolan
Acetabolan !!!! who ever came up with that crap is still counting the money he made out of it
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I remember when the whole Cybergenics, dibencozide, EAS thing took the bodybuilding community by storm...
I was an avid reader of MuscleMedia 2000 back in the early 90's...I spent over $200 on the EAS "boxed kit" that had the supposed supplement of the future, vanadyl sulfate and HMB. Oh to go back in time and get my money back lol!
I bought Myoplex / MetRx but it was probably better than what my dumb ass would have eaten at the time.
Dumbest thing I did was over eat constantly and not stay lean and in good cardio condition.
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I remember when the whole Cybergenics,
Yup
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Maybe the original androstenedione back then. I totally would've gotten taken by the the old HMB/V2G/GKG, etc.... stack, but I was too poor to afford it all, so it was just protein and creatine for me the first couple of years. While I don't feel taken by it, the worst tasting supplement I ever tasted, original Phospagain in the tin can came out in that era. Jeez it was awful.
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Not really as have always had the "everyone's trying to rip you off" mentality even when Young.
I got a free copy of Bill phillips sports supplement review and it was the first real info I had on bodybuilding back before Internet acess wasn't commonplace and hardly any newsagents sold the mags, and bought some creatine to try first, got the shits and no results and never bothered again.
Learned some basic info on how to train and eat from that book though as handnt a clue
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Acetabolan !!!! who ever came up with that crap is still counting the money he made out of it
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I was to scared to run Nortesten
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Maybe the original androstenedione back then. I totally would've gotten taken by the the old HMB/V2G/GKG, etc.... stack back then, but I was too poor to afford it all back then, so it was just protein and creatine for me the first couple of years. While I don't feel taken by it, the worst tasting supplement I ever tasted, original Phospagain in the tin can came out in that era. Jeez it was awful.
I had to get Creapure lol not creatine
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Yes, I spent a couple hundred on two boxes of this shit. Yes I still feel like a dweeb for doing it. Yes it did jack shit.
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After years of wasting a lot of money on supplements I can tell you that they are a waste of money they dont build muscle, spend your money on a healthy diet with nutrient dense foods like salmon, sweet potatoes, kale, berries, almonds etc, if you are not satisfied with your natural build after this then start out with 500mg of test to add more muscle then if you want to keep getting bigger just simply add more anabolics.
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none they've all been worth every penny
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Probably lost a couple Gs over the years to various bunk UGL gear.
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Hahaha yeah I bought cybergenics when I was a gullible teen.i remember all the ads with Franco santoriello I believe.Still good times and I'd probably take it again given the chance as it's a learning experience you could say.
I was working part time at GNC as a grad student during the Cybergenics craze.
I actually trained in the same World gym as one of their main spokesman , Franco Santorello (sp?).
Had an 8x 10 autographed color pic of me with Franco S. in the gym.
It was kept on the GNC store counter , with a contest pic me of me winning some Mr Podunk.
Plenty of younger dudes came in to buy their Cybergenics kits from me.
I feel a twinge of guilt now, but, wtf, I bought/used the same crap myself at the time.
A few females bought it , but they bought mostly fat burners and ripped fuel.
It was a cool looking box with the fat calipers and routine booklets.
Of course it was overpriced, especially past the initial purchase.
Once you had the routine down , most of their supplements were nothing special.
I was paid an hourly wage plus sales commission , so I feel a bit bad now, for pushing it so hard.
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Don't forget Gamma Oryzanol.
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Thank God I didn't have money in high school or I would have definitely bought cybergenics. LOL.
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none they've all been worth every penny
Hell ya! No regrets!
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hmb i remember eas pushing this for monthes before it even came out comparing it to deca
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Sarsaparilla (Smilax). Around mid 80's. Just one bottle though.
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I was working part time at GNC as a grad student during the Cybergenics craze.
I actually trained in the same World gym as one of their main spokesman , Franco Santorello (sp?).
Had an 8x 10 autographed color pic of me with Franco S. in the gym.
It was kept on the GNC store counter , with a contest pic me of me winning some Mr Podunk.
Plenty of younger dudes came in to buy their Cybergenics kits from me.
I feel a twinge of guilt now, but, wtf, I bought/used the same crap myself at the time.
A few females bought it , but they bought mostly fat burners and ripped fuel.
It was a cool looking box with the fat calipers and routine booklets.
Of course it was overpriced, especially past the initial purchase.
Once you had the routine down , most of their supplements were nothing special.
I was paid an hourly wage plus sales commission , so I feel a bit bad now, for pushing it so hard.
Cool story but GNC didn't pay Promotional Money, as they called it, for selling Cybergenics. You would have had to sell the GNC house brand Pro Performance bodybuilding kit to get the extra money.
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It just blows my mind when the government claims that it doesn't have the money to regulate this industry.
Total bullshit.
But we have all known this for a long time.
When it comes to bodybuilding supplements, it really is caveat emptor.
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EAS stuff. HMB was stupid expensive when it came out.
You had Bill and Shawn Phillips juiced to the gills doing photo shoots and living like kings....so naive.
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met-rx ads was 'slightly' exaggerated :D
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I was visiting a friend in NYC when I first heard of Cybergenics. We took a trip to NJ to buy the product, because it warned that steroid-like gains were not possible in NY.
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EAS stuff. HMB was stupid expensive when it came out.
You had Bill and Shawn Phillips juiced to the gills doing photo shoots and living like kings....so naive.
yeah from about 94 all I'd buy was eas products especially hmb and creatine. I was so brainwashed if I had less than 2 bottles of grape juice in my fridge I'd freak out cause that's what they said you HAD to take the creatine with lmao!
I had the money for the top gear at that time but chose to go "natural"...but I did get hold of those oxitosonas from Syntex at times.
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met-rx ads was 'slightly' exaggerated :D
Out of all the bogus sups every created, MetRx was the first one with a mass ad campaign. I would say it made the most money... more than Muscletech. It was just simple milk protein and very expensive.
The ads were totally deceptive, but they were convincing and very well written. I remember some of the BS claims very clearly...
Jeff Everson said: "If it walks like a duck... it must be a duck".
Dr. Scott Connelly called MetRx: "Anti-catabolic" and he also said: "They feed it to burn patients".
Phillips said: "One of the ingredients costs $1500 a kilo". That ingredient was ASPARTAME! At that time it was still under patent and very expensive. Bill made people believe it was some secret muscle building ingredient.
Shit like this is what made these guys a fortune.... and it was ALL nonsense.
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3 of us bought one big tub of celltech because it was so expensive but we were so eager to give it a try because muscletech was really pushing it in the mags 15 years ago
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Cool story but GNC didn't pay Promotional Money, as they called it, for selling Cybergenics. You would have had to sell the GNC house brand Pro Performance bodybuilding kit to get the extra money.
Are you saying Howard is flat out lying? Why would he do that? What kind of weirdo would make up obvious lies about working at GNC and selling Cybergenics or about having a picture with Franco?
Or are you saying Howard is just simply delusional?
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I bought a few of these back in the day:
http://www.naturalmatter.com/mx-testok.htm
(http://www.naturalmatter.com/mx-testok.jpg)
'the strongest Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris in existence, with a 68% protodioscin level, the part that has shown to be anabolic and is responsible for increasing muscle size, Testosterone boosting and strength'
'subjects were shown to have gained 5lb in lean muscle and add 18lb to their bench press in just 6-10 weeks'
'ZMATM was used in 28 clinical studies and was proven to increase Testosterone by 43.7%, strength by 7% and IGF-1 by a whopping 25.1% over the placebo group!'
::)
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Out of all the bogus sups every created, MetRx was the first one with a mass ad campaign. I would say it made the most money... more than Muscletech. It was just simple milk protein and very expensive.
The ads were totally deceptive, but they were convincing and very well written. I remember some of the BS claims very clearly...
Jeff Everson said: "If it walks like a duck... it must be a duck".
Dr. Scott Connelly called MetRx: "Anti-catabolic" and he also said: "They feed it to burn patients".
Phillips said: "One of the ingredients costs $1500 a kilo". That ingredient was ASPARTAME! At that time it was still under patent and very expensive. Bill made people believe it was some secret muscle building ingredient.
Shit like this is what made these guys a fortune.... and it was ALL nonsense.
everson sang metrx praises pretty well..he was in ads with labrada,stoney lee grimes,milos,coleman later on ..when they expanded there products to pizza's it was then 'jumping the shark'
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Hell ya! No regrets!
I think you mean No Regerts!
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Every supplement that I ever took was a scam. Thankfully I'm not mentally retarded so it didn't take me long to figure that out.
That shit was a huge wast of money and probably dangerous too.
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Are you saying Howard is flat out lying? Why would he do that? What kind of weirdo would make up obvious lies about working at GNC and selling Cybergenics or about having a picture with Franco?
Or are you saying Howard is just simply delusional?
I'm saying I worked at GNC at the time he's referring to and the pay structure was an hourly wage plus "promotional money" for selling the house brands which were Challenge and Pro Performance. There was no monetary incentive to sell Cybergenics, the incentive was to switch customers onto GNC's brands which in that case was the Pro Performance bodybuilding kit, a Cybergenics knock off. Not saying he's lying. Possibly mistaken?
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After years of wasting a lot of money on supplements I can tell you that they are a waste of money they dont build muscle, spend your money on a healthy diet with nutrient dense foods like salmon, sweet potatoes, kale, berries, almonds etc, if you are not satisfied with your natural build after this then start out with 500mg of test to add more muscle then if you want to keep getting bigger just simply add more anabolics.
The Absolute TRUTH, LOL.
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i have to admit pre workouts do get me amped m1's pre workout is pretty powerfull shit
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tribulus and acetabolin.
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Don't forget Gamma Oryzanol.
I was about to post this
from the hulls of rice or some shit
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I was about to post this
from the hulls of rice or some shit
could u imagine ,,'what are you on??me,,the 'hulls of rice'
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By far the worst was mixing baking soda with creatine a drop of vinegar to make it bubbly. Bill Philips claim that the body would absorb it better. Of course HMB. Yeah HMB might work if you take full bottle everyday...
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By far the worst was mixing baking soda with creatine a drop of vinegar to make it bubbly. Bill Philips claim that the body would absorb it better. Of course HMB. Yeah HMB might work if you take full bottle everyday...
I never did the baking soda method. I used to mix the original powder with grape juice. That crap was nasty.
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Everything on T nation.
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Everything on T nation.
...the "Anaconda" protocol ::)
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Cool story but GNC didn't pay Promotional Money, as they called it, for selling Cybergenics. You would have had to sell the GNC house brand Pro Performance bodybuilding kit to get the extra money.
Depended on how the store was owned.
Corporate owned stores only gave sales commission on the GNC house brands .
I got a straight 5% on everything I sold because I worked for a privately owned franchise in Ohio.
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yeah from about 94 all I'd buy was eas products especially hmb and creatine. I was so brainwashed if I had less than 2 bottles of grape juice in my fridge I'd freak out cause that's what they said you HAD to take the creatine with lmao!
I had the money for the top gear at that time but chose to go "natural"...but I did get hold of those oxitosonas from Syntex at times.
I did the same stuff and by working for GNC , I managed to get my supps at a reduced cost.
Like you, I took pride in being natural , avoiding drugs and using natural supps LOL.
No, I didn't take drugs, but I took so many natural supps, I damn near rattled from all the pills.
Hard to think we actually lived like that then huh? ;D
Looking back it seems silly, but, I was proud to be a bodybuilder.
Not sure why, but bodybuilding felt more important then??????????????
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Depended on how the store was owned.
Corporate owned stores only gave sales commission on the GNC house brands .
I got a straight 5% on everything I sold because I worked for a privately owned franchise in Ohio.
::)
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ALL OF THEM.
Although Hotstuff helped put a 1/2 inch on my arm in one week. 14 workouts in 7 days. ;D
(My arms were like 11 inches at the time :-\ )
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I still do take vitamins and minerals.
I use protein powder.
Not much creatine anymore.
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Every supplement that I ever took was a scam. Thankfully I'm not mentally retarded so it didn't take me long to figure that out.
True. L-Carnitine for 'fat-burning'.... (oh brother...)
That shit was a huge wast of money and probably dangerous too.
The sh1t that I left floating in the toilet after taking all of this crap was a huge waste of money and probably toxic and dangerous too.
Fixed (for me)....
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I still do take vitamins and minerals.
I use protein powder.
Not much creatine anymore.
yes
yes
yes only on training days,,
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I'm saying I worked at GNC at the time he's referring to and the pay structure was an hourly wage plus "promotional money" for selling the house brands which were Challenge and Pro Performance. There was no monetary incentive to sell Cybergenics, the incentive was to switch customers onto GNC's brands which in that case was the Pro Performance bodybuilding kit, a Cybergenics knock off. Not saying he's lying. Possibly mistaken?
Ok, I worked for a privately owned franchise in Ohio when I was a grad student.
After 90 days , I got paid an hourly wage plus the store owner gave me 5% for EVERY thing I sold.
I saw the actual wholesale prices and the GNC brand had much better profit margins.
Corporate owned franchises may have had a slightly different policy?
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Steroids were thought to be ineffective back in the day. One day you will realize that all these supplement claims were true, you just didn't work hard enough.
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Steroids were thought to be ineffective back in the day. One day you will realize that all these supplement claims were true, you just didn't work hard enough.
I agree and one more thing you forgot to add the reason why fart powders dont work is because when you fart you are farting out the air out of your muscles, if you hold back the farts then the air will stay in your muscles and you will get bigger.
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I agree and one more thing you forgot to add the reason why fart powders dont work is because when you fart you are farting out the air out of your muscles, if you hold back the farts then the air will stay in your muscles and you will get bigger.
same goes for verbal diarrhoea, so stop spewing on here.
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I'm saying I worked at GNC at the time he's referring to and the pay structure was an hourly wage plus "promotional money" for selling the house brands which were Challenge and Pro Performance. There was no monetary incentive to sell Cybergenics, the incentive was to switch customers onto GNC's brands which in that case was the Pro Performance bodybuilding kit, a Cybergenics knock off. Not saying he's lying. Possibly mistaken?
Just joking. Howard is obviously misremembering but I can also see a bit of brag-lie in there because he is old and addled and on the verge of coming out.
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I agree and one more thing you forgot to add the reason why fart powders dont work is because when you fart you are farting out the air out of your muscles, if you hold back the farts then the air will stay in your muscles and you will get bigger.
never considered this,,willtry it,,thx bro. always looking for ways to stay ahead of the competiotn
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Nitro tech - it was just protein but I paid a premium for it
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None.
They were always just to up the protein is all. Some, like Hot Stuff and Met-Rx, actually did MORE than expected.
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I bought some frozen duck eggs off a guy in a wig for 1000.00, better than a Test, Deca, HGH run... ???
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Trump Vodka. Tasted like cheap swill. Trump water. Tasted like cheap swill. Trump Steaks, tasted like cheap swill.
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Trump Vodka. Tasted like cheap swill. Trump water. Tasted like cheap swill. Trump Steaks, tasted like cheap swill.
You gonna be okay, pal?
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You gonna be okay, pal?
Just some wet shits after eating all that swill
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Just some wet shits after eating all that swill
Well we are here for you and we love you.
I realize this must be a difficult time.
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Well we are here for you and we love you.
I realize this must be a difficult time.
Thanks Brosephino
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Never fell for any of it. The things that I used that did work were Creatine and Prohormones.