Author Topic: White House wants more power to set Medicare rates (Obama is a Dictator)  (Read 1893 times)

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39468
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
White House wants more power to set Medicare rates 
 
Jul 17 03:43 PM US/Eastern
By CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press Writer Comments (4)      Share on Facebook     
   
 
 
WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House is asking Congress to give the executive branch more power to limit Medicare's rising costs.
A White House letter to top lawmakers on Friday said the move would be "a critical step forward" in controlling health care costs and providing better care.


The proposal would allow an independent advisory board to recommend changes in Medicare reimbursement rates for doctors, hospitals and other providers. If the president approved the recommendations, Congress could still vote to reject them altogether. But Congress could not approve some recommendations and reject others.

Currently, Medicare reimbursement rates vary from region to region. Key lawmakers often get involved in setting local rates, a practice the Obama administration plan would end.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

________________________ ________________________ ________________

And you guys think I am overboard for saying Obama is a dictator wannabe? 


OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy


________________________ ________________________ ________________

And you guys think I am overboard for saying Obama is a dictator wannabe? 



yes

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39468
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
yes

Ok.  So you think it is ok for Obama to be able set the rates for doctors' reimbursement through medicare and medcaid? 

WTF is going on in this country? 

Obama is a dictator wannabe by his actions, not just because I said so. 

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
Ok.  So you think it is ok for Obama to be able set the rates for doctors' reimbursement through medicare and medcaid? 

WTF is going on in this country? 

Obama is a dictator wannabe by his actions, not just because I said so. 

Me thinking its ok makes him not a dictator?  Me thinking it's not ok makes him a dictator?

Controlling medicare rates is how a dictator is defined?

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39468
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Me thinking its ok makes him not a dictator?  Me thinking it's not ok makes him a dictator?

Controlling medicare rates is how a dictator is defined?

And Mussolini made the trains run on time.  How did that work out?

This is sheer unadulterated madness to give this White House any more power. 

they already screwed up the Stimulus Bill and we are going to give him power over this?  WTF?   

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
And Mussolini made the trains run on time.  How did that work out?

This is sheer unadulterated madness to give this White House any more power. 

they already screwed up the Stimulus Bill and we are going to give him power over this?  WTF?   

So making the trains run on time is what defined Mussilini as a dictator?

You are not making much sense here.

Do you think the current medicare system is working?

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39468
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
So making the trains run on time is what defined Mussilini as a dictator?

You are not making much sense here.

Do you think the current medicare system is working?

No, but we do not live in a dicatatorship.  This is insane the speed things are going. 

You see, what you dont get is that the next president may be someone you dislike and dont trust, like Palin.  Would you feel comfortable with her consolidating power like this?  Now, presuming we have another election in 4 or 8 years and all this power is consolidated in the WH, you will be shitting bricks if it is another GWB or Palin.   

When Bush did this garbage, it was wrong, and it is equally wrong under Obama. 

Obama is by definition pursuing fascist goals by trying to takeover autos, banks, healthcare, energy, etc. 

None of these power mad politicians should have such power.  We dont like in a dictatorship.  We live in a representative republic and most of the power is supposed to lye with the Congress and Senate, not the WH.

Im sorry if you cant comprehend how dangerous it is to give one man all this power.     
   

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
No, but we do not live in a dicatatorship.  This is insane the speed things are going. 

You see, what you dont get is that the next president may be someone you dislike and dont trust, like Palin.  Would you feel comfortable with her consolidating power like this?  Now, presuming we have another election in 4 or 8 years and all this power is consolidated in the WH, you will be shitting bricks if it is another GWB or Palin.   

When Bush did this garbage, it was wrong, and it is equally wrong under Obama. 

Obama is by definition pursuing fascist goals by trying to takeover autos, banks, healthcare, energy, etc. 

None of these power mad politicians should have such power.  We dont like in a dictatorship.  We live in a representative republic and most of the power is supposed to lye with the Congress and Senate, not the WH.

Im sorry if you cant comprehend how dangerous it is to give one man all this power.     
   



Well, what would you have him do instead?

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39468
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.


Well, what would you have him do instead?

I would have him first read an economics 101 book since when it comes to economics, Obama is dumber than dirt.  He seriously is a moron.

As far as health care:

1.  Tort reform.
2.  Allow insurance companies to write high deductbile policies for young people across state lines.
3.  No care to illegals.  If they show up at the ER, treat em, call ICE. 


   

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
I would have him first read an economics 101 book since when it comes to economics, Obama is dumber than dirt.  He seriously is a moron.

As far as health care:

1.  Tort reform.
2.  Allow insurance companies to write high deductbile policies for young people across state lines.
3.  No care to illegals.  If they show up at the ER, treat em, call ICE. 


   

Medical lawsuits only account for a very small percentage of the increase in medical costs.  Or so I've been told a few times.  Might not be true, but probably is.

Insurance companies already provide very high deductible policies.  In fact many times those policies are still $200/mo. per person.  Just log on to bluecross or blueshield and you will see.

I agree about Illegals.

However, everything you've listed here doesn't seem to make an impact.

Any other ideas?

James

  • Guest
Quote
Medical lawsuits only account for a very small percentage of the increase in medical costs.  Or so I've been told a few times.  Might not be true, but probably is.

Insurance companies already provide very high deductible policies.  In fact many times those policies are still $200/mo. per person.  Just log on to bluecross or blueshield and you will see.

I agree about Illegals.

However, everything you've listed here doesn't seem to make an impact.

Any other ideas?


A person who complains that $ 200 is too much, and  doesn't purchase a health plan, but then spends 20 a month for internet, 50 a month cable TV , 50 a month on cigarettes,  50 a month on Beer,  20 a month at the video store,  100 a month eating out, 50 a month on supplements, 50 a month to get their yard mowed, etc....... and then once they get, sick,  goes into the hospital and has the surgery, ,  doesn't pay the bill,  files bankruptcy, and  then blames it on the Insurance company for being too expensive, and demands we we get Universal health care !

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy

A person who complains that $ 200 is too much, and  doesn't purchase a health plan, but then spends 20 a month for internet, 50 a month cable TV , 50 a month on cigarettes,  50 a month on Beer,  20 a month at the video store,  100 a month eating out, 50 a month on supplements, 50 a month to get their yard mowed, etc....... and then once they get, sick,  goes into the hospital and has the surgery, ,  doesn't pay the bill,  files bankruptcy, and  then blames it on the Insurance company for being too expensive, and demands we we get Universal health care !

Ok well, let's put this in perspective.  A family of 4 (who's self employed), pays $400-$800 a month for high deductible health insurance plan which is dam near half a modest house payment and then has to go to the doctor.  The visit it's self cost $100+ plus the cost for the prescription ($50-$200 who knows) and heaven forbid they are refereed to specialists who charges $250+ for the visit plus whatever.  All of which isn't covered because of the deductible and you still have to pay the monthly premium.

Thats bull shit.

You can get on your conservative brainwashed regurgitation soap box all you want citing crap like a cable bill.  But cost like those are very unreasonable.  Further more, cost like this DISCOURAGE self employment and small business, which is one of the pillars our country is built on.  Also, even when employed with benefits, because of the high cost of health care, employers won't pay as much. 

Add that to the fact that you have not come a viable solution.  So do you have any legitimate ideas?

I don't agree with taxing health care, taking control of medi care etc..  But something has to be done becuase this IS out of control.

James

  • Guest
Quote
Ok well, let's put this in perspective.  A family of 4 (who's self employed), pays $400-$800 a month for high deductible health insurance plan which is dam near half a modest house payment and then has to go to the doctor.  The visit it's self cost $100+ plus the cost for the prescription ($50-$200 who knows) and heaven forbid they are refereed to specialists who charges $250+ for the visit plus whatever.  All of which isn't covered because of the deductible and you still have to pay the monthly premium.

Horseshit !

States offer free insurance to children , first  for the poor class, it is medicaid , then for most middle class you can get SCHIPS free health insurance for children. That leaves the parents  to get their own plan.  (  around 150 to 200 a month per person) If they cant afford that,. then cancel the internet , the cable, and the lawn serve, and stop demanding that somebody else pay your health Insurance, so that you can use that money for something else.

Quote
Thats bull shit.

You can get on your conservative brainwashed regurgitation soap box all you want citing crap like a cable bill.  But cost like those are very unreasonable.  Further more, cost like this DISCOURAGE self employment and small business, which is one of the pillars our country is built on.  Also, even when employed with benefits, because of the high cost of health care, employers won't pay as much.

Add that to the fact that you have not come a viable solution.  So do you have any legitimate ideas?

I don't agree with taxing health care, taking control of medi care etc..  But something has to be done because this IS out of control.

The only bullshit is coming from people who want and demand that  someone else is to blame,  when  the majority of these people who don't have health insurance, could have it, but choose not to, and chose to spend their extra money or things not needed.

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
Horseshit !

States offer free insurance to children , first  for the poor class, it is medicaid , then for most middle class you can get SCHIPS free health insurance for children. That leaves the parents  to get their own plan.  (  around 150 to 200 a month per person) If they cant afford that,. then cancel the internet , the cable,  and  the lawn serve, and stop demanding that somebody else pay your health Insurance, so that you can use that money for something else.

the only bullshit is coming from people who want and demand that  someone else is to blame,  when  the majority of these people who don't have health insurance, could have it, but choose not  to, and chose to spend their extra money or things not needed.

Double horse shit back.  ;D   I'm middle class, didn't qualify for assistance.  And again $200 for a deductible health care plan is BS or HS.

I agree, there are people who want something for nothing.  But the issue still stands:  Health care in America is screwed up and bloated.  It needs to be fixed.  An read closely to what I'm saying:  I don't agree with taxing health care, taking control of medi care etc..  But something has to be done because this IS out of control.

James

  • Guest
Quote
Double horse shit back.  Grin   I'm middle class, didn't qualify for assistance.  And again $200 for a deductible health care plan is BS or HS.

I agree, there are people who want something for nothing.  But the issue still stands:  Health care in America is screwed up and bloated.  It needs to be fixed.  An read closely to what I'm saying:  I don't agree with taxing health care, taking control of medi care etc..  But something has to be done because this IS out of control.

Why should you qualify for assistance ? 

are you a child  ? are you pregnant ? are you disabled ? are you over the age of 65 ?  If you answer no to all of these, then you should not qualify for a damn thing.

200 a month is BS ?   what should it be ?  100 ,  50,  set your own price ?  free ?

How much do you spend a month on your cable TV, and your Internet ?






OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
Why should you qualify for assistance ? 

are you a child  ? are you pregnant ? are you disabled ? are you over the age of 65 ?  If you answer no to all of these, then you should not qualify for a damn thing.

200 a month is BS ?   what should it be ?  100 ,  50,  set your own price ?  free ?

How much do you spend a month on your cable TV, and your Internet ?


I'm not suggesting I should qualify.  My point is, the cost of health is out of bounds.  The cost for what a person could get services and care far exceeds what it should be.  It's over bloated, over charged, and basically not the as good as it could be.

Now if you can't understand that, then all you are brainwashed tool.

Hugo Chavez

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 31866
Nice CT 33. ;D

James

  • Guest
Quote
I'm not suggesting I should qualify.  My point is, the cost of health is out of bounds.  The cost for what a person could get services and care far exceeds what it should be.  It's over bloated, over charged, and basically not the as good as it could be.

Now if you can't understand that, then all you are brainwashed tool.

You say that 200 is BS,  yet for that  200,  the Insurance Carrier is at risk if you get sick or injured for millions of dollars, yet at the same time I bet you pay close to 100 a month for your cable and internet,  not to mention other things you have no problem wasting money on.

I think the only brainwashed  tool, is the one you look at in the mirror

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
You say that 200 is BS,  yet for that  200, the Insurance Carrier is at risk if you get sick or injured for millions of dollars, yet at the same time I bet you pay close to 100 a month for your cable and internet, not to mention other things you have no problem wasting money on.

I think the only brainwashed  tool, is the one you look at in the mirror

Thanks for saying it for me.  That's why there is a problem.  The whole system is bunk.  And just so you know and just so you can't fall back on your programming, I pay the money for health insurance and have full cable/internet ($300/month not inclusing what i pay per view).  That's not the issue here, although your programming wants you to make it the issue. 

The issue, it that it's over charged poorly managed health care that's out of control and something needs to be done.

James

  • Guest
Quote
Thanks for saying it for me.  That's why there is a problem.  The whole system is bunk.  And just so you know and just so you can't fall back on your programming, I pay the money for health insurance and have full cable/internet ($300/month not inclusing what i pay per view).  That's not the issue here, although your programming wants you to make it the issue.

The issue, it that it's over charged poorly managed health care that's out of control and something needs to be done.

Do you have any idea how many Hospitals are  losing money  ?

The only thing that is bunk, is many of the  people who go to a hospital and have no insurance,  have surgery, dont pay the bill, and then the hospital has to increase the price to the people who pay. Yet many of  these same people could have paid for health Insurance, and chose not to.

For any adult  who is of able mind and body, 200 a month for insurance is not "BS",  unless you are ignorant.

The same people who are for  Universal Health Care, are the same people who are for amnesty to illegal aliens, which is a huge factor in causing many hospitals to lose money, if you don't believe me, just go sit in your local hospital emergency room tonight and watch.





OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
Do yo have any ideas how many Hospitals are  losing money  ?

The only thing that is bunk, is many of the  people who go to a hospital and have no insurance,  have surgery, dont pay the bill, and then the hospital has to increase the price to the people who pay. Yet many of these these same people could have paid for health Insurance, and chose not to.

For any adult  who is of able mind and body, 200 a month for insurance is not "BS",  unless you are lazy.

The same people who are for  Universal Health Care, are the same people who are for amnesty, which is a huge factor in causing many hospitals to lose money, if you don't believe me, just go sit in your local hospital emergency room tonight and watch.


Universal health care isn't going to ever happen in this country.  The medical industry is just too big.  And i don't expect it to.

My point about the $200 health care is that it's not really good health care.  It's pretty much, if something really bad happens you are covered (but still have to pay $1000-$5000 deductible), until then you are on your own for every doctor and ER visit.  That's junk.   Most regular plans, ones that cover major surgeries, have a $10-30 co pay on doctor visits and prescriptions etc.  Cost even more. 

Yes, people go ER's without insurance costing millions and billions.  That's what the probelms is, "Costs".  It's over bloated. the medical industry has a strangle hold on these costs.   

grab an umbrella

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2039
Universal health care isn't going to ever happen in this country.  The medical industry is just too big.  And i don't expect it to.

My point about the $200 health care is that it's not really good health care.  It's pretty much, if something really bad happens you are covered (but still have to pay $1000-$5000 deductible), until then you are on your own for every doctor and ER visit.  That's junk.   Most regular plans, ones that cover major surgeries, have a $10-30 co pay on doctor visits and prescriptions etc.  Cost even more. 

Yes, people go ER's without insurance costing millions and billions.  That's what the probelms is, "Costs".  It's over bloated. the medical industry has a strangle hold on these costs.   

How are the costs out of control?  Are you a hospital accountant?  Do you know how much procedures cost? 

Making that ignorant statement is stupid.  Healthcare is expensive for the consumer because it's expensive for the providers.

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
How are the costs out of control?  Are you a hospital accountant?  Do you know how much procedures cost? 

Making that ignorant statement is stupid.  Healthcare is expensive for the consumer because it's expensive for the providers.

And why is it expensive for the providers? Are you saying it should cost what it costs? That's what is ignorant.   You don;t have to be a hospital accountant to see that  ::)

http://www.american.com/archive/2009/may-2009/what-is-driving-rising-healthcare-costs

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa211es.html

Executive Summary

Health care costs have increased dramatically over the last few decades and are now thought to be excessively high. That has caused the current political reevaluation of our health care system, including its funding and performance.

This study is an analysis of the causes of the increase in health care costs. The major culprit in the seemingly endless rise in health care costs is found to be the removal of the patient as a major participant in the financial and medical choices that are currently being made by others in the name of the patient.

The increasing share of medical bills paid by third-party payers (insurance companies and governments) and the disastrous consequences are documented. Patients overuse medical resources since those resources appear to be free or almost free. Producers of medical equipment create new and more expensive devices, even if they are of only marginal benefit, since third-party payers create a guaranteed market. Attempts to rein in those costs have led to a blizzard of paperwork but proven ineffective in controlling costs.

The cure for the present problems is straightforward: the patient must once again be made the central actor in the medical marketplace. Patients need to be given the same motivations to economize on medical care that they have to economize in other markets. Tax laws need to be rewritten. The use of medical savings accounts needs to be promoted. High-deductible health insurance should be encouraged.

Returning the patient, and normal market principles, to center stage is all that is necessary to bring the costs of health care under control.

http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml

Health Insurance Costs

This document is also available as a printable .pdf file.
Health Insurance Costs

Facts on the Cost of Health Insurance and Health Care

Introduction

By several measures, health care spending continues to rise at a rapid rate and forcing businesses and families to cut back on operations and household expenses respectively.

In 2008, total national health expenditures were expected to rise 6.9 percent -- two times the rate of inflation.1 Total spending was $2.4 TRILLION in 2007, or $7900 per person1. Total health care spending represented 17 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP).

U.S. health care spending is expected to increase at similar levels for the next decade reaching $4.3 TRILLION in 2017, or 20 percent of GDP.1

In 2008, employer health insurance premiums increased by 5.0 percent – two times the rate of inflation. The annual premium for an employer health plan covering a family of four averaged nearly $12,700. The annual premium for single coverage averaged over $4,700.2

Experts agree that our health care system is riddled with inefficiencies, excessive administrative expenses, inflated prices, poor management, and inappropriate care, waste and fraud. These problems significantly increase the cost of medical care and health insurance for employers and workers and affect the security of families.

National Health Care Spending

    * In 2008, health care spending in the United States reached $2.4 trillion, and was projected to reach $3.1 trillion in 2012.1 Health care spending is projected to reach $4.3 trillion by 2016.1
    * Health care spending is 4.3 times the amount spent on national defense.3
    * In 2008, the United States will spend 17 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent by 2017.1
    * Although nearly 46 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.3
    * Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.4


Employer and Employee Health Insurance Costs

    * Premiums for employer-based health insurance rose by 5.0 percent in 2008. In 2007, small employers saw their premiums, on average, increase 5.5 percent. Firms with less than 24 workers, experienced an increase of 6.8 percent.2
    * The annual premium that a health insurer charges an employer for a health plan covering a family of four averaged $12,700 in 2008. Workers contributed nearly $3,400, or 12 percent more than they did in 2007.2 The annual premiums for family coverage significantly eclipsed the gross earnings for a full-time, minimum-wage worker ($10,712).
    * Workers are now paying $1,600 more in premiums annually for family coverage than they did in 1999.2
    * Since 1999, employment-based health insurance premiums have increased 120 percent, compared to cumulative inflation of 44 percent and cumulative wage growth of 29 percent during the same period.2
    * Health insurance expenses are the fastest growing cost component for employers. Unless something changes dramatically, health insurance costs will overtake profits by the end of 2008.5
    * According to the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research and Educational Trust, premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance in the United States have been rising four times faster on average than workers’ earnings since 1999.2
    * The average employee contribution to company-provided health insurance has increased more than 120 percent since 2000. Average out-of-pocket costs for deductibles, co-payments for medications, and co-insurance for physician and hospital visits rose 115 percent during the same period.6
    * The percentage of Americans under age 65 whose family-level, out-of-pocket spending for health care, including health insurance, that exceeds $2,000 a year, rose from 37.3 percent in 1996 to 43.1 percent in 2003 – a 16 percent increase.7


The Impact of Rising Health Care Costs

    * National surveys show that the primary reason people are uninsured is the high cost of health insurance coverage.2
    * Economists have found that rising health care costs correlate to drops in health insurance coverage.8
    * A recent study by Harvard University researchers found that the average out-of-pocket medical debt for those who filed for bankruptcy was $12,000. The study noted that 68 percent of those who filed for bankruptcy had health insurance. In addition, the study found that 50 percent of all bankruptcy filings were partly the result of medical expenses.9 Every 30 seconds in the United States someone files for bankruptcy in the aftermath of a serious health problem.
    * A new survey shows that more than 25 percent said that housing problems resulted from medical debt, including the inability to make rent or mortgage payments and the development of bad credit ratings.10
    * About 1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs. 11
    * A survey of Iowa consumers found that in order to cope with rising health insurance costs, 86 percent said they had cut back on how much they could save, and 44 percent said that they have cut back on food and heating expenses.12
    * Retiring elderly couples will need $250,000 in savings just to pay for the most basic medical coverage.13 Many experts believe that this figure is conservative and that $300,000 may be a more realistic number.
    * According to a recent report, the United States has $480 billion in excess spending each year in comparison to Western European nations that have universal health insurance coverage. The costs are mainly associated with excess administrative costs and poorer quality of care.14
    * The United States spends six times more per capita on the administration of the health care system than its peer Western European nations.14

 
Time for Action on Reining in Health Care Costs

Policymakers and government officials agree that health care costs must be controlled. But they disagree on the best ways to address rapidly escalating health spending and health insurance premiums. Some favor price controls and imposing strict budgets on health care spending. Others believe free market competition is the best way to solve the problems. Public health advocates believe that if all Americans adopted healthy lifestyles, health care costs would decrease as people required less medical care.

There appears to be no agreement on a single solution to health care’s high price tag. Many approaches may be used to control costs. What we do know is if the rate of escalation in health care spending and health insurance premiums continues at current trends, the cost of inaction will severely affect employer’s bottom lines and consumer’s pocketbooks.

Notes

   1. Keehan, S. et al. “Health Spending Projections Through 2017, Health Affairs Web Exclusive W146: 21 February 2008.
   2. The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Employee Health Benefits: 2008 Annual Survey. September 2008.
   3. California Health Care Foundation. Health Care Costs 101 -- 2005. 02 March 2005.
   4. Pear, R., “U.S. Health Care Spending Reaches All-Time High: 15% of GDP.” The New York Times, 9 January 2004, 3.
   5. McKinsey and Company. The McKinsey Quarterly Chart Focus Newsletter, “Will Health Benefit Costs Eclipse Profits,” September, 2004.
   6. The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Employee Health Benefits: 2008 Annual Survey. September 2008.
   7. Agency for Heathcare Research and Quality. Out-of-Pocket Expenditures on Health Care and Insurance Premiums Among the Non-elderly Population, 2003, March 2006.
   8. The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. The Uninsured: A Primer, Key Facts About Americans without Health Insurance. 2004. 10 November 2004 http://www.kff.org/uninsured/
   9. Himmelstein, D, E. Warren, D. Thorne, and S. Woolhander, “Illness and Injury as Contributors to Bankruptcy, “ Health Affairs Web Exclusive W5-63, 02 February , 2005.
  10. The Access Project. Home Sick: How Medical Debt Undermines Housing Security. Boston, MA, November 2005.
  11. Robertson, C.T., et al. “Get Sick, Get Out: The Medical Causes of Home Mortgage Foreclosures,” Health Matrix, 2008
  12. Selzer and Company Inc. Department of Public Health 2005 Survey of Iowa Consumers, September 2005.
  13. Fidelity Investments, Press Release, 06 March 2006.
  14. McKinsey Global Institute. Accounting for the Cost in the United States. January 2007



You argue the sources all you want.  Bottom line is that the system is overcharged and bloated.  Only an  ostrich  would think otherwise.

grab an umbrella

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2039
Did you bother to read the article?  It's filled with deception.  Of course healthcare costs are going to go up Ozmo, do you know how much an MRI machine costs?  More and more healthcare is becoming a technology oriented field, and it isn't coming cheap.

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22729
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
Did you bother to read the article?  It's filled with deception.  Of course healthcare costs are going to go up Ozmo, do you know how much an MRI machine costs?  More and more healthcare is becoming a technology oriented field, and it isn't coming cheap.

Did you bother to read the articles?  Or did you just summarily dismiss them as deception?