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CDC confirms first Ebola case diagnosed in US
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102037055 ^
Posted on 9/30/2014 4:44:05 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday confirmed the first case of Ebola has been diagnosed in the United States.
This story is developing. Please check back for further updates
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http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/09/29/north-texas-hospital-evaluating-patient-for-potential-ebola-exposure
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interesting......
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If they are still testing, how can they confirm?
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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140929-dallas-ebola-case-confirmed-by-cdc-first-diagnosis-in-u.s..ece
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Depressing.
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That's great......Texas....wond er if it was a border jumper or some asshole they allowed to fly in. This won't end well.
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If they are still testing, how can they confirm?
my ex is an epidemiologist for cdc....just got back from Liberia...
she said thats old news
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my ex is an epidemiologist for cdc....just got back from Liberia...
she said thats old news
Interesting... very interesting.
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A local doc was talking about this over the weekend. Says it is coming to the U.S. and it is lethal. No cure. Said the four (or five) leading researchers on this virus were all killed by it.
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A local doc was talking about this over the weekend. Says it is coming to the U.S. and it is lethal. No cure. Said the four (or five) leading researchers on this virus were all killed by it.
my ex is on 21 day fever watch
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A local doc was talking about this over the weekend. Says it is coming to the U.S. and it is lethal. No cure. Said the four (or five) leading researchers on this virus were all killed by it.
:o
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Haha, more 'scary stuff' from the media.
I guess the 'ISIS' thing is fizzling out now that people realise it's a bunch of baboons dressed in frocks waving guns around on the back of a pickup whilst driving through the desert in a country 90% of people in the world can't pinpoint on a map :D
Haha, I wonder what they'll be pushing next week when this thing fizzle out too.
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Wait till it gets to India... When they start scrambling, it's time to don the rubber gloves & face masks...
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What's crazy is even the western educated doctors who work over there are catching it.
Shit doesn't add up.
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:o
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Obama, Two Weeks Ago: 'Chances of an Ebola Outbreak Here ... Extremely Low'
The Weekly Standard ^ | 9/3o/14 | Daniel Halper
Posted on October 1, 2014 at 12:11:10 AM EDT by Nachum
President Obama, addressing the ebola outbreak September 16, 2014 at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta:
First and foremost, I want the American people to know that our experts, here at the CDC and across our government, agree that the chances of an Ebola outbreak here in the United States are extremely low. We’ve been taking the necessary precautions, including working with countries in West Africa to increase screening at airports so that someone with the virus doesn’t get on a plane for the United States. In the unlikely event that someone with Ebola does reach our shores, we’ve taken new measures so that we’re prepared here at home. We’re working to help flight crews identify people who are sick, and more labs across our country now have the capacity to quickly test for the virus. We’re working with hospitals to make sure that they are prepared, and to ensure that our doctors, our nurses and our medical staff are trained, are ready, and are able to deal with a possible case safely.
(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...
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A local doc was talking about this over the weekend. Says it is coming to the U.S. and it is lethal. No cure. Said the four (or five) leading researchers on this virus were all killed by it.
Wait, i thought they already saved a couple of docs that had come back over with it in the initial outbreak? And thay they had talked about it afterwards?
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Fundamental Transformation Complete!
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The Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | September 30, 2014 | Judy Wiley and Monica Nagy
Posted on October 1, 2014 at 2:07:38 AM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
A man in a Dallas hospital has Ebola, the first human case of the deadly virus diagnosed in the United States, doctors at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday.
The patient, who is in an isolation unit at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, did not develop symptoms until four days after he arrived from West Africa, officials said at a hastily called press conference at the CDC’s headquarters in Atlanta.
“He was checked for fever before getting on the flight,” said CDC Director Thomas Frieden. “There is no reason to believe anyone on the flight was at risk.”
The Ebola virus is not spread through the air, but through contact with bodily fluids of victims — sweat, blood, saliva and other secretions.
The patient, whom officials would not identify, flew to the United States on Sept. 20, and began feeling ill on Sept. 24, Frieden said.
He sought care at the Dallas hospital on Friday and was sent home with antibiotics, Dr. Edward Goodman of Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital said at a separate press conference in Dallas. Goodman said the hospital is looking into why the patient was discharged....
(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...
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"In West Africa, we are surging the response not only of CDC where we already have more than 130 people in the field, but also throughout the U.S. government. The president has leaned forward to make sure we're acting very proactively there, and the Defense Department is on the ground already strengthening the response," Centers for Disease Control Director Dr. Tom Frieden told reporters in a Tuesday evening briefing.
"Lean Forward" is the slogan of MSNBC and was displayed in the upper third of the screen during the network's coverage of the CDC press conference.
typical
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It's 'Not Impossible' Others in US Could Contract Ebola, CDC Head Says
ABC News' Good Morning America ^ | October 1, 2014
Posted on 10/1/2014 9:51:24 AM by 2ndDivisionVet
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
The country's top medical official who has vowed to stop Ebola "in its tracks" in the U.S., conceded today that it's "not impossible" that others will contract the disease.
Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said an extensive tracking process is underway in the wake of the first Ebola diagnosis in the United States, with special focus on the patient’s family and health staff.
“We have a seven-person team in Dallas working with the local health department and the hospital, and we will be identifying everyone who may have come in contact with him and then monitoring them for 21 days,” Frieden said.....
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
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A local doc was talking about this over the weekend. Says it is coming to the U.S. and it is lethal. No cure. Said the four (or five) leading researchers on this virus were all killed by it.
The mutated strain isn't that lethal, this doctor is also not up to date on the latest research, we likely have a vaccine ready to go along with anti-virals I don't think it's another spanish flue or bubonic plauge, if it didn't rape the victim so quickly I would be more worried. I don't think it's worth getting scared over. It's funny, LASSA another virus just like ebola kills so many people, yet no one fears it, I think this has gotten a bit sensationalized.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/01/texas-ebola-patient/16525649
possible 2nd case of Obamabola
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/01/texas-ebola-patient/16525649
possible 2nd case of Obamabola
First... Obama? Really? He created the disease now I suppose... You're losing touch with reality there dude.
Second... From the article:
"The director continued to assure residents that the public isn't at risk because health officials have the virus contained."
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First... Obama? Really? He created the disease now I suppose... You're losing touch with reality there dude.
Second... From the article:
"The director continued to assure residents that the public isn't at risk because health officials have the virus contained."
Of course theyre going to say its contained, as they have to avoid panic at all costs.... can you imagine if they said it wasnt contained? Dallas would shut down, people would stop going to work.
How can they oossibly contain it when they have 8 days of activity they cant account for with the 1st patient, and a plane full of people they have to check and possibly quarantine?
I think the fact thay theyre trying so hard to downplay it is most telling, you remember how they always play up things like h1n1 and bird flu, but theyre going so far out of their way to ensure that no one gets scared of this. That terrifies me.
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Of course theyre going to say its contained, as they have to avoid panic at all costs.... can you imagine if they said it wasnt contained? Dallas would shut down, people would stop going to work.
How can they oossibly contain it when they have 8 days of activity they cant account for with the 1st patient, and a plane full of people they have to check and possibly quarantine?
I think the fact thay theyre trying so hard to downplay it is most telling, you remember how they always play up things like h1n1 and bird flu, but theyre going so far out of their way to ensure that no one gets scared of this. That terrifies me.
I do not get terrified... not by stuff like this.
I expect it will be similar to h1n1 or whatever.
What I do not understand is how they do not quarantine people or forbid people who have been to that stupid area from coming back to the US.
Sorry, but NO... not without a 30 day quarantine or something.
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I do not get terrified... not by stuff like this.
I expect it will be similar to h1n1 or whatever.
What I do not understand is how they do not quarantine people or forbid people who have been to that stupid area from coming back to the US.
Sorry, but NO... not without a 30 day quarantine or something.
Thats the thing.... weve already let it get out of hand. Quarantine protocols werent followed. A dude wandered around dallas for a week carrying ebola. A 2nd patient has appeared. There was a plane full of people, and everything they keep telling us to make everyone calm is exactly the opposite of what happens.
Thats what scares me. When they go into downplay/calm down mode, it generally means theyre scrambling to get ahold of a possible horrible situation.
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Thats the thing.... weve already let it get out of hand. Quarantine protocols werent followed. A dude wandered around dallas for a week carrying ebola. A 2nd patient has appeared. There was a plane full of people, and everything they keep telling us to make everyone calm is exactly the opposite of what happens.
Thats what scares me. When they go into downplay/calm down mode, it generally means theyre scrambling to get ahold of a possible horrible situation.
True statement... I'm not worried... yet.
A few more of these and I'll be wearing a white mask and gloves and shit.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-us/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Unreal
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Sister: US Ebola patient said he was from Liberia
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DALLAS (AP) -- The sister of the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States says he told officials the first time he went to the hospital that he was visiting from Liberia.
Mai Wureh told The Associated Press that her brother, Thomas Eric Duncan, went to a Dallas emergency room on Friday and was sent him away with antibiotics. He returned two days later to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital and was admitted.
Dr. Mark Lester confirmed Wednesday that a nurse asked Duncan on his first visit whether he had been in an area affected by the Ebola outbreak that has killed thousands in West Africa but that the "information was not fully communicated throughout the whole team."
The disease is not contagious until symptoms begin, and it takes close contact with bodily fluids to spread.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
The sister of the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States says he told relatives he notified officials the first time he went to the hospital that he was visiting from Liberia.
Mai Wureh says her brother, Thomas Eric Duncan, went to a Dallas emergency room on Friday and they sent him home with antibiotics. She says he said hospital officials asked for his Social Security number and he said that he didn't have one because he was visiting from Liberia.
Duncan arrived in the U.S. on Sept. 20 to be with relatives in Dallas. He began to develop symptoms last Wednesday and sought care two days later. He was released and returned to the hospital and was admitted Sunday.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-us/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Unreal
And this is the problem.
Didnt tell them he came from ebola land.
Walked around for a week.
In contact with school age children.
Etc etc etc
Many people will not volunteer informatuon that they may have ebola, because theyre scared to admit it to themselves, and to others. And those people could very well infect dozens of others... think of how many nasty people blow there noses in sinks, piss on floors, dont wash their hands....
Have bloody noses and just wipe it off and keep going.
Etc etc etc
This is what scares me. The idiocy of people
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Will Fox cry about the ebola patient(s) getting free healthcare?
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Will Fox cry about the ebola patient(s) getting free healthcare?
well he/she is probably black so they are getting free shit regardless. ;)
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http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/rhode-island-child-dies-from-enterovirus-that-has-been-affecting-kids-nationwide
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http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/rhode-island-child-dies-from-enterovirus-that-has-been-affecting-kids-nationwide
you really thrive off of the Chicken Little syndrome huh
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you really thrive off of the Chicken Little syndrome huh
Obama has been collapsing the nation for the past 6 years apparently as well.
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Let's not forget the kid can't get health care treatment in the first place because all the doctors have walked off their jobs and are burning/looting cities.
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http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/rhode-island-child-dies-from-enterovirus-that-has-been-affecting-kids-nationwide
OH MY GOD OBAMA
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Just another "nice" thing from Wiggs continent.
>:(
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Obama has been collapsing the nation for the past 6 years apparently as well.
HEHEHEHEEH!!
Yeah, Obama has been great for the nation the past 6 years. Do you actually believe he has been a good president and NOTHING he has done in the last 6 years has been detrimental to USA???
Damn, there are still idiots out there supporting that clown.
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Even Chris Matthews attacked the so called "president" on this issue:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/30/chris_matthews_vs_ezekiel_emanuel_on_ebola_obama_said_it_was_unlikely_it_has_happened_its_here.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2777366/U-S-Ebola-victim-helped-carry-convulsing-pregnant-woman-later-died-virus-four-days-flew-Liberia-Texas-Four-neighbors-died-So-allowed-step-flight.html
HOLY SHIT
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2777366/U-S-Ebola-victim-helped-carry-convulsing-pregnant-woman-later-died-virus-four-days-flew-Liberia-Texas-Four-neighbors-died-So-allowed-step-flight.html
HOLY SHIT
i heard about that late last night. pregnant woman died. her brother died a week later. i dont know how this dude is still alive. scary stuff. And this is the only one we're hearing about. There are probably other cases where someone is sick right now and we just aren't hearing about it.
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Yeah...had a puke party before they got him into a an ambulance. Tell you what...we're 72 hrs from anarchy if a few people get this. I bought an additional 1000 rnds of 5.56 last night
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HEHEHEHEEH!!
Yeah, Obama has been great for the nation the past 6 years. Do you actually believe he has been a good president and NOTHING he has done in the last 6 years has been detrimental to USA???
Damn, there are still idiots out there supporting that clown.
That's not what I said.
Obama has done numerous things I do not approve of.
That doesn't instantly equate to the collapse of the USA.
A lot of presidents have done things I don't like, yet somehow the world still turns.
Do you not believe that Congress is just as culpable in the demise of the country as Obama?
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That's not what I said.
Obama has done numerous things I do not approve of.
That doesn't instantly equate to the collapse of the USA.
A lot of presidents have done things I don't like, yet somehow the world still turns.
Do you not believe that Congress is just as culpable in the demise of the country as Obama?
Obama set the agenda and begged to be the leader. He is the piece of garbage that put his selfish radical agenda ahead of the nation, it is he who appointed radicals and freaks to all levels of govt, it is he who appeased the terrorists and islamist jihadis and sand rats, it is he who crammed down obamacare, it is he who decided to race bait every opportunity he can, it is he who tried to advance an agenda no one wants.
F him - he has earned every bit of hatred directed at him.
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Texas officials say 80 people may have been exposed to Ebola patient -NBC
Reuters ^ | 07:21 EST, 2 October 2014
Posted on 10/2/2014 9:01:16 AM by BenLurkin
The health officials said 80 people may have come into contact with Duncan, NBC reported. Earlier, they had put the figure at up to 18, including five children.
State officials delivered the order on Wednesday night to the family of the patient, who has been identified as Thomas Eric Duncan of Liberia. Family members must stay home until Oct. 19 and not have any visitors without approval, officials said.
"We have tried and true protocols to protect the public and stop the spread of this disease," said Dr. David Lakey, Texas health commissioner. "This order gives us the ability to monitor the situation in the most meticulous way."
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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Texas officials say 80 people may have been exposed to Ebola patient -NBC
I hope people don't blame Rick Perry's preoccupation with his own criminal proceedings, for his inability to lock down this situation sooner. It's good to see him on television now, taking charge.
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I hope people don't blame Rick Perry's preoccupation with his own criminal proceedings, for his inability to lock down this situation sooner. It's good to see him on television now, taking charge.
Obama went to a fundraiser last night. I really am at a loss of words for how worthless of a scumbag he is
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us/dallas-ebola-case-thomas-duncan-contacts.html?_r=0
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Texas Ebola patient’s partner and 3 family members quarantined
CNN ^ | October 2, 2014
Posted on 10/2/2014 1:49:41 PM by maggief
(CNN) — The partner of Ebola patient Thomas Duncan is quarantined in her Dallas apartment where Duncan became sick with the virus after his trip to Liberia, the woman told CNN’s Anderson Cooper.
The woman, who asked to be identified only by her first name, Louise, is quarantined with one of her children under 13 and two nephews in their 20s because they were in apartment when Duncan became ill, Cooper said.
Duncan, a 42-year-old Liberian citizen, is now hospitalized in Dallas.
But Louise remains in her apartment, and she’s worried, not knowing what to do and waiting on federal health officials, Cooper said.
“She doesn’t know how she’s going to get food into the apartment. She was told she said maybe the Red Cross would come by. She’s still waiting for that,” Cooper said.
“Some health officials brought sandwiches last night, but she hasn’t had anything today,” Cooper said Thursday. “She’s certainly kind of at loose ends and is obviously extremely worried.”
Cooper’s interview with Louise will air Thursday evening on CNN’s “AC360˚.”
(Excerpt) Read more at wqad.com ...
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What kind of a fucking moron handles a woman dying of ebola and then proceeds to jump on a fucking plane to the US?!
Thats not even getting into the failures here... but how the hell was he allowed to board a plane?
Its like were not even trying, no one seems to give a fuck about quarantine.....
I really have no faith in humanity. Hey, i handled ebola woman, i should go home to my family, AND THEN FUCKING SEND MY CHILD TO SCHOOL.
I swear if i found out my kid was exposed because of some fucking idiot like that id go to his house and put a 5.56 round right in his grape.
The decisions people make never cease to amaze me.
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What kind of a fucking moron handles a woman dying of ebola and then proceeds to jump on a fucking plane to the US?!
Thats not even getting into the failures here... but how the hell was he allowed to board a plane?
Its like were not even trying, no one seems to give a fuck about quarantine.....
I really have no faith in humanity. Hey, i handled ebola woman, i should go home to my family, AND THEN FUCKING SEND MY CHILD TO SCHOOL.
I swear if i found out my kid was exposed because of some fucking idiot like that id go to his house and put a 5.56 round right in his grape.
The decisions people make never cease to amaze me.
I agree... This part is absolutely dumbfounding.
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What kind of a fucking moron handles a woman dying of ebola and then proceeds to jump on a fucking plane to the US?!
Thats not even getting into the failures here... but how the hell was he allowed to board a plane?
Its like were not even trying, no one seems to give a fuck about quarantine.....
I really have no faith in humanity. Hey, i handled ebola woman, i should go home to my family, AND THEN FUCKING SEND MY CHILD TO SCHOOL.
I swear if i found out my kid was exposed because of some fucking idiot like that id go to his house and put a 5.56 round right in his grape.
The decisions people make never cease to amaze me.
He was probably feeling ill and decided to use his visa to the USA withholding that info on his entry.
And why has our Government not followed France and England in banning flights from that area of Africa?
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He was probably feeling ill and decided to use his visa to the USA withholding that info on his entry.
And why has our Government not followed France and England in banning flights from that area of Africa?
But why? Why the fuck would he do that and possibly murder his whole family and countless others after sending his child to school? Its like fucking retardville, someone like that is too stupid to live, hes a liability to everone around him....
Thats the problem now days, it seems everyone is getting dumber, like they dont even think, they just want it to be someone elses problem.
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PC run amok.
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And why has our Government not followed France and England in banning flights from that area of Africa?
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And why has our Government not followed France and England in banning flights from that area of Africa?
Because OBAMABOLA thinks its racist to target African countries.
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Because OBAMABOLA thinks its racist to target African countries.
It is...
I'd rather be racist than dead though.
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Michael Savage blames 'President Obola' for virus in U.S.
Ebola has now entered the U.S. because of President Obama’s open-borders policy, charged talk-radio host Michael Savage.
Savage who has a doctorate in epidemiology, said Obama refused to employ the basic epidemiological rule of quarantining a deadly virus, “because the far-left agenda is to have an open-borders policy.”
Referring to the commander in chief as “President Obola,” Savage said the “only solution is zero travel in and out of West Africa for any American.”
“You let nobody in from a country where you have a raging epidemic,” he said, emphasizing “microbes do not discriminate.”
“You isolate and you quarantine an entire nation, if necessary.”
Savage addressed the argument that it’s not practical to isolate an entire country or region.
“Is it practical to risk the spread of a killer illness?” he countered.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/michael-savage-blames-president-obola-for-virus-in-u-s/
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It is...
I'd rather be racist than dead though.
Its not racist - its reality. Same w AIDS and those fucking fools banging monkeys
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Michael Savage blames 'President Obola' for virus in U.S.
Ebola has now entered the U.S. because of President Obama’s open-borders policy, charged talk-radio host Michael Savage.
Savage who has a doctorate in epidemiology, said Obama refused to employ the basic epidemiological rule of quarantining a deadly virus, “because the far-left agenda is to have an open-borders policy.”
Referring to the commander in chief as “President Obola,” Savage said the “only solution is zero travel in and out of West Africa for any American.”
“You let nobody in from a country where you have a raging epidemic,” he said, emphasizing “microbes do not discriminate.”
“You isolate and you quarantine an entire nation, if necessary.”
Savage addressed the argument that it’s not practical to isolate an entire country or region.
“Is it practical to risk the spread of a killer illness?” he countered.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/michael-savage-blames-president-obola-for-virus-in-u-s/
Hes absolutley right. How fucking stupid is it to allow travel in and out of a quarantine zone? Europe is doing it, why arent we?
Oh, wait, a pharma company has a possible multi-billion dollar vaccine thats worth grows exponentionally as panic increases. Hmm
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i agree we should be shutting ALL flights into that area down.
Which people in congress were right on it before now? Would love to give props to those who had the foresight to call for it, not the bandwagon folks that waited to see what happens, then say "this is what obama SHOULD have done!"
If Savage was saying this last week, I give him all the props in the world.
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A local doc was talking about this over the weekend. Says it is coming to the U.S. and it is lethal. No cure. Said the four (or five) leading researchers on this virus were all killed by it.
didn't 2 US doctors just recover from it in the last month?
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Obama went to a fundraiser last night. I really am at a loss of words for how worthless of a scumbag he is
then STFU
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didn't 2 US doctors just recover from it in the last month?
Is there a cure?
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Is there a cure?
it sure seems like they are but I'm not a doctor so don't quote me
http://online.wsj.com/articles/hospital-to-discuss-discharge-of-ebola-patients-1408617069
The patients, who contracted the disease while working at the same hospital in Liberia, no longer have symptoms and don't have traces of the deadly virus in their blood, said Bruce Ribner, who heads the isolation unit where they were treated.
"There is no evidence of Ebola virus infection in their bodies," he said. They pose "no public health threat." Recovered Ebola patients generally "are not contagious, they don't as a general rule relapse, and they don't spread the virus to anyone else."
Moreover, they are immune to the strain of Ebola virus that infected them, Dr. Ribner said—a strain that caused an outbreak that has infected at least 2,473 people in Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria, killing 1,350 of them.
The two were discharged by Emory after consultation with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and state health officials in Georgia and North Carolina, Dr. Ribner said.
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Posted on October 2, 2014 at 7:55:51 PM EDT by Kaslin
I hope Duncan gets well soon, partly for his own sake and partly because I’m keen to hear why he didn’t mention to airport screeners that he helped carry an Ebola victim a few days before his flight.
So is the Liberian government.
On the form obtained by The Associated Press and confirmed by a government official, Thomas Eric Duncan answered “no” to questions about whether he had cared for an Ebola patient or touched the body of someone who had died in an area affected by Ebola…
At the time Duncan left for the U.S., it’s not clear if he knew of the woman’s diagnosis. Officials have said Duncan was showing no symptoms when he boarded the plane and he was therefore not contagious. Ebola can only be spread through the bodily fluids of people showing signs of the disease.
“He will be prosecuted” when he returns to Liberia, Binyah Kesselly, chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority, told reporters.
He said that people like Duncan and Patrick Sawyer, a Liberian-American with Ebola who traveled to Nigeria and infected people there, have brought a “stigma” upon Liberians living abroad.
He had no inkling that a woman who was sick too walk in the middle of an Ebola outbreak in Liberia might have Ebola? That should have warranted at least a “possibly” on the ol’ questionnaire, huh?
Two points here. One: Unless I’ve missed something, apart from the questionnaire, the only test for whether passengers from west Africa might be carrying Ebola is a temperature reading on their foreheads, which will be useless in many cases (like Duncan’s) since some people with the disease aren’t symptomatic yet during their travels. The Times calls the system, with precious understatement, “spotty.” If the screening is as weak as that and a ban on flights from west Africa is out of the question for whatever reason, why on earth did Obama say it was “unlikely” that we’d end up with Ebola cases here? Seems like a lead-pipe cinch that we would end up with them. Eventually, someone who was sick but asymptomatic would lie about his contact with a victim and get on a plane. Frankly, I’d be surprised if the weak screening has blocked many people with Ebola from getting on flights. Presumably a few have been pulled out of line because they’re running a fever, but how many of those people had the disease and how many had high body temperatures for more mundane reasons?
Two: Should Duncan be prosecuted? Ace worries that if you throw jail time into the mix, Liberians who fear they might have Ebola will panic and become more determined to conceal their symptoms, putting the people around them at risk. I can understand that as a matter of Liberian domestic policy; you want people to feel as comfortable as possible in reporting their symptoms so that you can treat them (and isolate them) ASAP. But you also don’t want them getting on planes, and the prospect of jail time if they decide to fly when they fear they might be infected would deter that. No? What am I missing here?
Oh, by the way, Duncan did tell the staff at the hospital in Dallas that he’d just come from Liberia when he first showed up sick to the ER last week. They sent him home with antibiotics.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_QUARANTINED_WOMAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-02-19-22-20
>:(
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you guys are hilarious...but carry on...
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you guys are hilarious...but carry on...
you voted for Obamabola - eat shit
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you voted for Obamabola - eat shit
what does that have to do with anything?
you about to watch "outbreak" chicken little?
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you voted for Obamabola - eat shit
ohhh i see... youre actually blaming obama for this too... hahahahahahahahaha.... fucking ass clown
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The fever-screening instruments run low and aren't that accurate," said infection control specialist Sean Kaufman, president of Behavioral-Based Improvement Solutions, a biosafety company based in Atlanta. "And people can take ibuprofen to reduce their fever enough to pass screening, and why wouldn't they? If it will get them on a plane so they can come to the United States and get effective treatment after they’re exposed to Ebola, wouldn’t you do that to save your life?"
Obama can sure as hell ban travel from west Africa. Not only that he can pressure Latin America to do the same. He can do more then he is...but he only does more if it will redistribute wealth, tax the shit out of us, raise energy costs or make America look weak. If that girl Valery Jarret doesn't tell him to do it...he just goes and golf's.
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ohhh i see... youre actually blaming obama for this too... hahahahahahahahaha.... fucking ass clown
yes
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/10/03/Boss-Coworkers-of-US-Ebola-Patient-He-Knew-He-Had-Ebola-US-Trip-Was-Desperate-Attempt-to-Survive
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Yeah...Obama said it wouldn't happen...now its happening. How about no flights from there...how the fuck about that.
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PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Dom Giordano talked with Dr. Gil Mobley, who believes the CDC is lying about the threat posed by Ebola and staged a protest at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson Airport to expose it.
Mobley, a doctor in Missouri, is convinced that Ebola will soon be infecting people all over the globe.
“For months, doctors in my community — since we had a meeting six weeks ago — have been convinced that the United States will be importing clusters regularly. Right now, on the continent of West Africa, there are a million people in isolation, in quarantine, because of Ebola, and ten thousand passengers leave West Africa every single day. It’s just a matter of time before this disease is carried to every corner of the world.”
READ: University Of Pennsylvania Alum Dr. Nancy Snyderman Quarantined Over Ebola
He insists the CDC is underplaying the threat posed by the disease and is intentionally misleading the public.
“They said the chance of importing a cluster — just two weeks ago — was extremely small, yet we knew that it was a sure thing. And the very same day that the President echoed [Director Tom] Frieden’s sentiment at the CDC that it’s very small, that very same day, they made the misdiagnoses in Dallas and sent this infectious guy home to infect these other people.”
READ: NJ Man Accused Of Shooting Down Neighbor’s Remote Control Drone
Mobley said it is inevitable that an Ebola crisis will break out in the United States.
“That disease is going to consume every third world country on the planet, and then we will be importing these clusters on a regular basis. I have no question that we will be able to stomp out this cluster in Dallas, but what happens when it happens on a weekly basis? Already the Dallas Health Department is overwhelmed; they’re flying people to Atlanta. I don’t care how advanced any industrialized nation is, there is a threshold where we will outstretch the resources and it becomes uncontrolled.”
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Yeah...your shitbag golfing fucktard may just preside over the death of millions in the US because he's afraid that leftist shitbags won't like him anymore. Poor 3rd worlders have the right to treatment here right? No they have a right to die bleeding from their eyeballs while the US..rich/poor/black/white/lib/Con..whoever keeps on keeping on.
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We do not shut our borders to countries affected by #Ebola; didn’t w/ SARS or pandemic H1N1 flu,” said a tweeted Oct. 2 declaration from Tom Frieden, Obama’s chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The administration’s opposition to travel curbs reflects Obama’s progressive priorities, which tend to view the priorities of Americans as on par with the priorities of foreigners. For example, Obama has let 130,000 poor Central Americans migrants cross the southern border since last October, despite polls showing lopsided opposition to the migration.
At this point we should begin shooting everybody who comes across....
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Obama can sure as hell ban travel from west Africa. Not only that he can pressure Latin America to do the same. He can do more then he is...but he only does more if it will redistribute wealth, tax the shit out of us, raise energy costs or make America look weak. If that girl Valery Jarret doesn't tell him to do it...he just goes and golf's.
it can take 10 days for ebola symptoms to show. This dude flew in from belgium. He lied about being exposed. He had no temperature, no signs.
If you want to ban that much int'l travel - from belgium and the rest of the world too - you might stop it.
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You can trace where a guy flew from...step by step. I have to assume you've flown internationally. Besides that...just ban flights from Africa. Start with that instead of pussy footing around.
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it can take 10 days for ebola symptoms to show. This dude flew in from belgium. He lied about being exposed. He had no temperature, no signs.
If you want to ban that much int'l travel - from belgium and the rest of the world too - you might stop it.
Nothing is FAGBAMA fault ever - got it
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Nothing is FAGBAMA fault ever - got it
how old are you... seriously..this is like a real question
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We do not shut our borders to countries affected by #Ebola; didn’t w/ SARS or pandemic H1N1 flu,” said a tweeted Oct. 2 declaration from Tom Frieden, Obama’s chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The administration’s opposition to travel curbs reflects Obama’s progressive priorities, which tend to view the priorities of Americans as on par with the priorities of foreigners. For example, Obama has let 130,000 poor Central Americans migrants cross the southern border since last October, despite polls showing lopsided opposition to the migration.
At this point we should begin shooting everybody who comes across....
What fucking shitheads.
Europe does, and i havent heard of an outbreak in europe yet.
Wtf is wrong with our government.... this is starting to feel intentional.... this isnt aboyt race, or progressivism, or politics, its about controlling a fucking murderous, infectious disease.
Im going to lol if this becomes Obamas hallmark, being the president that refused to act to protect his citizens from plague and cost millions of Americans their lives.
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What fucking shitheads.
Europe does, and i havent heard of an outbreak in europe yet.
Wtf is wrong with our government.... this is starting to feel intentional.... this isnt aboyt race, or progressivism, or politics, its about controlling a fucking murderous, infectious disease.
Im going to lol if this becomes Obamas hallmark, being the president that refused to act to protect his citizens from plague and cost millions of Americans their lives.
gurantee....this blows over...like the swine flu and the bird flu and mad cow and any other super virus blah blah.
This isnt outbreak the movie where someone coughs in a movie theatre and 9000 people die and 4 days. It is transfered via body fluids. And not like a guy shaking the hand of the other guy and the other guy is now infected.... The other guy needs to have a cut on his hand while getting a handshake from an infected person.
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You can trace where a guy flew from...step by step. I have to assume you've flown internationally. Besides that...just ban flights from Africa. Start with that instead of pussy footing around.
obama should issue a blanket uniform ban on anyone from africa or via africa? Executive order, today?
LOL I guar-an-fcking-tee 5 minutes later, FOX news, repub congressman and getbiggers would be criticizing this abuse of power. "Another business collapses due to obama's travel ban", etc.
I'm all for it... would just like to see congress drafting legislation on this... and not washington NFL teams.
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Here is the crew cleaning up the vomit for this fucker outside the apartment where he lives. I guess under armor baseball caps defeat the ebola virus. WTF a power washer :o
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it can take 10 days for ebola symptoms to show. This dude flew in from belgium. He lied about being exposed. He had no temperature, no signs.
If you want to ban that much int'l travel - from belgium and the rest of the world too - you might stop it.
It can be done easy 240, Besides stopping flights from those Countries in West Africa with Ebola, you also block entry to the USA for anyone with a Passport from those Counties no matter where they try to board a Plane.
But keep on defending....
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obama should issue a blanket uniform ban on anyone from africa or via africa? Executive order, today?
LOL I guar-an-fcking-tee 5 minutes later, FOX news, repub congressman and getbiggers would be criticizing this abuse of power. "Another business collapses due to obama's travel ban", etc.
I'm all for it... would just like to see congress drafting legislation on this... and not washington NFL teams.
Its called denying entry for anyone with a Passport from those particular Countries. Doesn't matter whether they are in Belgium trying to get on a flight or any other Country, if they have a Liberian Passport (and other Countries infected) they aren't allowed entry on any flight coming to the USA, Its that easy, so stop with your usual bullshit.
Except for Medical and Military, Stop all flights from those Countries with a high amount of Ebola
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Deny travel to the USA for anyone with a Passport from those same Countries, no matter where they try to fly out of.
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I don't think anybody from the GOP would give one shit if Obama did that. Bush's epidemic protocols called for just that but Ol barry cancelled them.
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gurantee....this blows over...like the swine flu and the bird flu and mad cow and any other super virus blah blah.
This isnt outbreak the movie where someone coughs in a movie theatre and 9000 people die and 4 days. It is transfered via body fluids. And not like a guy shaking the hand of the other guy and the other guy is now infected.... The other guy needs to have a cut on his hand while getting a handshake from an infected person.
Uh, bro, pay attention.... this isnt bird flu, or swine flu... this has zero in common with that. Thats sticking your head in the sand. This thing is massively lethal... takes a long time to show symptoms, and despite everyone saying the same thing you are, it keeps spreading mysteriously faster than it should and no one seems able to contain it.
This is different. Wed all be wise to start taking precautions.
Look, all the other outbreaks, everyone said 'beware, its coming, prepare yourselves'.
This one is 'oh, itll be fine, it doesnt spread that fast, its not that srs, it wont get here', yet every time they say that, boila, the exact opposite happens.
Theyre worried. This shit is lethal, and its serious, and its spreading. Comparing it to bird flu is marginalizing it and downplaying one of the deadliest diseases known to man.
Shits here bro. They said it wouldnt be. Its soreadig faster than they said was possible. More and more people are popping up infected. Someone needs to make a change or shis gonna get real, FAST.
Its not the just virus... its the mass hysteria thatll come from when it breaks.
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Its called denying entry for anyone with a Passport from those particular Countries. Doesn't matter whether they are in Belgium trying to get on a flight or any other Country, if they have a Liberian Passport (and other Countries infected) they aren't allowed entry on any flight coming to the USA, Its that easy, so stop with your usual bullshit.
Except for Medical and Military, Stop all flights from those Countries with a high amount of Ebola
and
Deny travel to the USA for anyone with a Passport from those same Countries, no matter where they try to fly out of.
Yeah. Its called standard quarantine procedure. Isolate the infected area and let it burn itself out. But nooo, thats not fair to the poor people, they should be able to fly to the US unhindered after carrying ebola death woman.
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Maybe after a few people die horribly we can stick a fork in this brand of left wing lunacy forever...ensuring no more Obama's ever.
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Uh, bro, pay attention.... this isnt bird flu, or swine flu... this has zero in common with that. Thats sticking your head in the sand. This thing is massively lethal... takes a long time to show symptoms, and despite everyone saying the same thing you are, it keeps spreading mysteriously faster than it should and no one seems able to contain it.
This is different. Wed all be wise to start taking precautions.
Look, all the other outbreaks, everyone said 'beware, its coming, prepare yourselves'.
This one is 'oh, itll be fine, it doesnt spread that fast, its not that srs, it wont get here', yet every time they say that, boila, the exact opposite happens.
Theyre worried. This shit is lethal, and its serious, and its spreading. Comparing it to bird flu is marginalizing it and downplaying one of the deadliest diseases known to man.
Shits here bro. They said it wouldnt be. Its soreadig faster than they said was possible. More and more people are popping up infected. Someone needs to make a change or shis gonna get real, FAST.
Its not the just virus... its the mass hysteria thatll come from when it breaks.
Being 100% honest. Don't care if I'm made fun of either. Someone very very very close to me is a top epidemiologist with the CDC and commission corps. She went to Liberia for the virus. Not sure the mission or what her capacity was. But she said that, though it awful there, there wouldnt be an OUTBREAK like scenario here in the states for many reasons. My head isn't in the sand at all. I'm closer to this than anyone on this board maybe. Hysteria and cable news will do more harm than the virus
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Being 100% honest. Don't care if I'm made fun of either. Someone very very very close to me is a top epidemiologist with the CDC and commission corps. She went to Liberia for the virus. Not sure the mission or what her capacity was. But she said that, though it awful there, there wouldnt be an OUTBREAK like scenario here in the states for many reasons. My head isn't in the sand at all. I'm closer to this than anyone on this board maybe. Hysteria and cable news will do more harm than the virus
I hope youre , but the media has been trying to downplay it, and thats what scares me. And everything the keep saying is the same shit youre saying, and the exact opposite is happening. And if it gets scary enough, riots will break out and the virus wont be what were worrying about.
Its the breakdown of society that can happen.
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I hope youre , but the media has been trying to downplay it, and thats what scares me.
each media channel is an entertainment channel. If they get people too riled up, they turn off tv, they get panicked, they shut down. They show us just enough so we feel involved, so we feel in control, so we can look at molecule pictures and fell all scientific and shit...
but they don't want to scare off viewers. no dead body pics, no realistic predictions.
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Being 100% honest. Don't care if I'm made fun of either. Someone very very very close to me is a top epidemiologist with the CDC and commission corps. She went to Liberia for the virus. Not sure the mission or what her capacity was. But she said that, though it awful there, there wouldnt be an OUTBREAK like scenario here in the states for many reasons. My head isn't in the sand at all. I'm closer to this than anyone on this board maybe. Hysteria and cable news will do more harm than the virus
I believe this.
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Not sure if this helps,
FOX news is the top source for ebola news, to be honest. Every day, I do a lot of work on cnn, fox, webmd, and 8 or 10 other top medical news sites. Linking for social media, etc. So I read 4 dozen to 6 dozen medical articles a day. Most don't mention ebola much at all. FOX has 1-2 pieces on the front page each day, and has for weeks now.
People ARE interested in the story, and FOX gives it to them. "What if it becomes airborne" and other thought pieces, going beyond the news, things like that. CNN rarely has mentioned it... maybe 5 stories a week. FOX has several each day. And the 'softest", non-consequential news goes to CNN, but a fckign mile.
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Not sure if this helps,
FOX news is the top source for ebola news, to be honest. Every day, I do a lot of work on cnn, fox, webmd, and 8 or 10 other top medical news sites. Linking for social media, etc. So I read 4 dozen to 6 dozen medical articles a day. Most don't mention ebola much at all. FOX has 1-2 pieces on the front page each day, and has for weeks now.
People ARE interested in the story, and FOX gives it to them. "What if it becomes airborne" and other thought pieces, going beyond the news, things like that. CNN rarely has mentioned it... maybe 5 stories a week. FOX has several each day. And the 'softest", non-consequential news goes to CNN, but a fckign mile.
I'm still hiring if you need a job.
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Still waiting to find out what kind of influence 5.56 Nato ammunition has on Ebola. We've got 3000 US military personnel over in West Africa to fight the disease. What kind of results can we expect? How about stabbing it? Will they be affixing their bayonets?
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Still waiting to find out what kind of influence 5.56 Nato ammunition has on Ebola. We've got 3000 US military personnel over in West Africa to fight the disease. What kind of results can we expect? How about stabbing it? Will they be affixing their bayonets?
I remember 240 saying how the Marines are being sent over there and theyd be capping quarantine breakers, and i mentioned how theu wouldnt be allowed to do dick... a couple guys laighed and said 'theyre the Marines, why else do you think theyre there for', and instantly realize how naiive people are.....
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I remember 240 saying how the Marines are being sent over there and theyd be capping quarantine breakers, and i mentioned how theu wouldnt be allowed to do dick... a couple guys laighed and said 'theyre the Marines, why else do you think theyre there for', and instantly realize how naiive people are.....
Nobody loves the Marines more than me but they ain't doing shit. Nowadays these guys need their lawyers with them every time they fire a shot. The Govt is hanging them out to dry every which way. First sending them out to kill and then charging them with "murder" when they do their jobs. Now they send them to some third world toilet to catch a disease that will liquefy their organs. Fuck that shit.
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I'm still hiring if you need a job.
in Cali? LOL a state where a dem governor tells me I can't carry a gun? LOL! that'll be the day!
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Being 100% honest. Don't care if I'm made fun of either. Someone very very very close to me is a top epidemiologist with the CDC and commission corps. She went to Liberia for the virus. Not sure the mission or what her capacity was. But she said that, though it awful there, there wouldnt be an OUTBREAK like scenario here in the states for many reasons. My head isn't in the sand at all. I'm closer to this than anyone on this board maybe. Hysteria and cable news will do more harm than the virus
I'll agree that it won't be like liberia, but that doesn't rule out the economic issues associated with it.
If this keeps growing international flights, will come to a halt.
This isn't just about african economies. It's about fucking up oil demand. Aeronautical companies slowing production etc.
This is huge, and might change the ways in which our globalized world functions.
This is the 3rd fault line on the globalization agenda(911, 2008 drop, were the first two.
This might severely fuck up how we do business around the world.
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Dear USA Sheeple.... please enjoy a look into your future because you refuse to do anything about your govnt
Have you picked out yours yet?
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Dear USA Sheeple.... please enjoy a look into your future because you refuse to do anything about your govnt
Have you picked out yours yet?
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Borderline retard post reported.
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Borderline retard post reported.
you were saying??????
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-08/cdc-suggests-hermetically-sealed-coffins-ebola-victims-aka-fema-coffins
http://news.yahoo.com/feds-publish-guidelines-for-burying-us-ebola-patients-170101294.html
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/obama-you-cant-get-ebola-sitting-next-someone-bus-cdc-avoid-public
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/12/texas-health-worker-who-cared-for-first-u-s-ebola-patient-contracts-the-virus
Second case
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Dear USA Sheeple.... please enjoy a look into your future because you refuse to do anything about your govnt
Have you picked out yours yet?
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It's a huge government conspiracy.
They've clamped down on all aspects of leaking information.
Except for Youtube.
And I'll be damned if you didn't bust the whole thing open.
By watching Youtube.
How did you develop your detective skills?
I mean, did you type youtube into a search engine, or were you of the clever sort?
Did you know the url and so went there and then, after that, knew how to peruse their secret files?
Let me ask you a question -
Have you ever considered a career as
a
private investigator?
maybe you should,
you little
gumshoe
you
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/12/texas-health-worker-who-cared-for-first-u-s-ebola-patient-contracts-the-virus
Second case
Obama is implementing all of the airport security (without the help of congress) to convince others that he didn't personally inject the 2nd victim with ebola blood.
Which i'm certain he did.
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Jesse Jackson: Racism Played Role in Ebola Patient's Death
News Max ^ | Thursday, 09 Oct 2014
Posted on October 12, 2014 12:07:36 PM EDT by COUNTrecount
The Rev. Jesse Jackson and a Dallas County commissioner have accused a Texas hospital of racism in the death of Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan.
"What role did [Duncan's] lack of privilege play in the treatment he received? He is being treated as a criminal rather than as a patient," Jackson wrote in a story for the Huffington Post this week. "As followers of Jesus, we are called to work for the day when those with privilege, most often white people, have greater access to better medical care than those whom Jesus calls 'the least of our sisters and brothers.'"
Duncan, who traveled to Dallas from Liberia on Sept. 20, contacted the disease while in the West African country — which has become ground zero in the current epidemic. He succumbed to the illness Wednesday.
Duncan visited Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital on Sept. 25 after first experiencing symptoms a day earlier. Doctors released him, seeing no major cause for concern. Reports say that Duncan told doctors he had come from West Africa.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
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The color GREEN had more to do with it, than skin color.
If LeBron went in there (black millionaire) and complained of ebola, he'd be admitted.
If John Smith went in there (random white poor trailer park dude) went in and complained, he'd be sent home, just like ebola victim was sent home.
money, plain and simple.
it's so funny - NEWSMAX is giving Jesse Jackson the platform here lol. The left sees him as a joke, he's not even welcome in obama's admin... obama hates him and vice versa. Only the RIGHT likes to make him the spokesman for democrats. That's like the left assigning George ZImmerman has the voice of republicans/the right. Most conservatives look at Zimmerman as a jackass, but the left loves to paint him as the voice of the right. Same with jesse jackson. Find the biggest idiot you can, and give them "head democrat" title lol.
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Medical crews surround aircraft at Logan Airport
wcvb ^ | 10/13/14
Posted on 10/13/2014 3:36:26 PM by knak
BOSTON —Medical crews in hazmat suits have responded to an arriving plane at the international terminal at Logan Airport.
A source told NewsCenter 5 that six passengers on board the flight had become sick.
The plane, an Emirates airliner that had arrived from Dubai, was surrounded by ambulances and emergency responders in white and yellow suits.
Massport, which runs the airport, did not respond to several phone messages on the nature of the incident.
However, international airports around the country are on alert for Ebola, though there was no indication that was related to the emergency response.
Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/medical-crews-surround-aircraft-at-logan-airport/29093968#ixzz3G3VSACXb
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Let the panic begin.
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Medical crews surround aircraft at Logan Airport
wcvb ^ | 10/13/14
Posted on 10/13/2014 3:36:26 PM by knak
BOSTON —Medical crews in hazmat suits have responded to an arriving plane at the international terminal at Logan Airport.
A source told NewsCenter 5 that six passengers on board the flight had become sick.
The plane, an Emirates airliner that had arrived from Dubai, was surrounded by ambulances and emergency responders in white and yellow suits.
Massport, which runs the airport, did not respond to several phone messages on the nature of the incident.
However, international airports around the country are on alert for Ebola, though there was no indication that was related to the emergency response.
Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/medical-crews-surround-aircraft-at-logan-airport/29093968#ixzz3G3VSACXb
if this keeps up, people will stop flying and the commercial aircraft industry will go to shit. Doesnt matter if theyre actually ebola or not, panic will set in.
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HHS Secretary: ‘We Could Have Done Much Better’ Containing Ebola
Bi- Washington Free Beacon ^ | 10-15-2014 | Washiungton Free Beacon
Posted on 10/15/2014 2:13:34 PM by blam
The Washington Free Beacon
October 15, 2014
Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell said the U.S. government did not sufficiently respond to the Ebola crisis in the United States.
“We could have done much better [on] the oversight of the the implementation of the protocols,” Burwell told NBC’s Matt Lauer on Wednesday.
Burwell said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent a “full team” to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, where Thomas Eric Duncan was diagnosed and treated for Ebola.
Burwell lamented that the implementation of protocols to treat Ebola patients and protect health care workers could have been more robust.
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(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
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http://conservativetribune.com/megyn-kellys-obama-ebola-takedown
BOOOMMMMMM
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Obama’s Paltry CDC Containment of Ebola Spreads Risk Across Country
thegatewaypundit.com ^ | 10-15-2014 | Kristinn Taylor
Posted on 10/15/2014 2:34:24 PM by servo1969
Nurse’s Ebola-exposed dog getting better care than humans
Nurse’s Ebola-exposed dog getting better care than humans
2nd health worker exhibited no #Ebola signs/symptoms on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 on 10/13, but passengers should contact 1-800-CDC-INFO
— CDC (@CDCgov) October 15, 2014
Two nurses infected by an open borders traveler. People exposed to Ebola allowed to travel the country at will. Yet the Obama administration claims they have the Ebola outbreak under control.
This morning the nation learned a second Dallas nurse who treated Liberian national Thomas Duncan has tested positive for Ebola.
Then it was announced the new Ebola patient was flying on a crowded passenger plane just the day before she was hospitalized. Apparently CDC protocols do not call for Ebola caregivers to not travel around the country during the virus’ 21 day incubation period.
Nurses at the Dallas hospital where Duncan was treated have gone public with horror stories of the lack of precautions to prevent the spread of Ebola during Duncan’s treatment there.
The CDC let the family of Thomas Duncan live in Ebola filth in their apartment for days before being relocated under enforced quarantine after the family violated a voluntary quarantine.
The CDC also allowed the family caregiver for Duncan who called the ambulance for him when he was vomiting ‘wildly’ to go shopping and stay in her powerless apartment under a voluntary quarantine.
An NBC news crew was in a voluntary quarantine until Dr. Nancy Snyderman was seen picking up her food at a popular restaurant.
The most attentive care given so far in the Ebola scare has been to the dog of Ebola patient Nina Pham.
Pham’s dog Bentley is under 24 hour police guard at a former naval air station in Dallas with round the clock care.
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16 Members of Doctors Without Borders Infected with Ebola, Nine Dead
AP ^ | 10/15/14 | Chutel
Posted on 10/15/2014 1:05:45 PM by pabianice
JOHANNESBURG (AP) — International aid organization Doctors Without Borders said that 16 of its staff members have been infected with Ebola and nine of them have died.
Speaking at a press conference in Johannesburg Tuesday, the head of Doctors Without Borders in South Africa Sharon Ekambaram said medical workers have received inadequate assistance from the international community.
"Where is WHO Africa? Where is the African Union?" said Ekambaram who worked in Sierra Leone from August to September. "We've all heard their promises in the media but have seen very little on the ground."
Four of the organization's medical workers who had just returned from Sierra Leone and Liberia said they were frustrated, "chasing after the curve of the outbreak," according to Jens Pederson, the aid organization's humanitarian affairs adviser.
Read more: http://www.jems.com/article/news/16-members-doctors-without-borders-infec
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sounds like the CDC is blaming the idiot nurse for knowingly flying with a 99.3 degree temperature.
would you guys support th CDC quarantining everyone with weapons?
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SO WHATS THE DEATH TOLL SO FAR?
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sounds like the CDC is blaming the idiot nurse for knowingly flying with a 99.3 degree temperature.
would you guys support th CDC quarantining everyone with weapons?
They can do more then they're doing right now. They can shut down planes to and from Africa...they can seal the boarder because that's the next problem. If things are ok and your getting one dude every few weeks then the CDC steps are fine...u get a rash of outbreaks....yeah bring in the stage 4 suits and m-16's. This is not some bullshit to play around with. After 21 days or 10 minutes if this new test works...u get an apology and maybe a check..be happy ur not bleeding from the eyeballs.
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SO WHATS THE DEATH TOLL SO FAR?
More than Obama the communist gay fucking terrorist said it would be
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SO WHATS THE DEATH TOLL SO FAR?
It's sky rocketing now as it's airborne and infects anyone within earshot.
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oddly... in all of these cases.. if people follow rules/protocols...
1) it never arrives in USA
2) 2nd nurse doesn't get on plane and fly with a temperature
Also the dipshits wearing 3 hazmat suits while working on the dude... and catching it while removing the clothing... And of course, the dude coming into the hospital 3 times, being sent home 3 times. His family didn't get it, so he was smart enough to not get near them in the week he was at home puking and shitting all over.
If these idiots just followed the rules, this doesn't happen. And late last night, I saw an article about the idiot NBC nurse/reporter/whatever, who broke quarantine to hit a restaurant up for some soup lol...
Why aren't these lawbreakers being locked the fck up and prosecuted? Attach a ten year minimum prison sentence to "breaking CDC protocol" and watch how fast these idiots DONT take flights.
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SO WHATS THE DEATH TOLL SO FAR?
Now a black person cares about statistics?
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oddly... in all of these cases.. if people follow rules/protocols...
1) it never arrives in USA
2) 2nd nurse doesn't get on plane and fly with a temperature
Also the dipshits wearing 3 hazmat suits while working on the dude... and catching it while removing the clothing... And of course, the dude coming into the hospital 3 times, being sent home 3 times. His family didn't get it, so he was smart enough to not get near them in the week he was at home puking and shitting all over.
If these idiots just followed the rules, this doesn't happen. And late last night, I saw an article about the idiot NBC nurse/reporter/whatever, who broke quarantine to hit a restaurant up for some soup lol...
Why aren't these lawbreakers being locked the fck up and prosecuted? Attach a ten year minimum prison sentence to "breaking CDC protocol" and watch how fast these idiots DONT take flights.
because theyre not laws man. Theyre general guidlines.
The CDC has already been crying that their protocols are not mandates, basically shuckijg responsibility for all the people catching it out of stupidity.
I said it over and over... i dont fear the virus, i fear the stupidity of people.
I do think that the CDC and .govs constant downplaying of the virus has created a sense of apathy among people, likening it to flus and such, and these people think 'well they keep saying its hard toncatch and its really not a bigbdeal, im going to go grab some soup, i mean the CDC said its practically impossible to transmit'
Seems like we cant find the fine line between respect and panic. We cant seem to make people understand how dangerous it is without gettijg everyone panicky, its either "oh its nothing, its not going to happen, you cant get it like that, or its "zomg panic!"
But, as I pointed out multiple times (and it just keeps happening) were told howbhard it is to catch, how it doesnt ransmit like that, yadda yadda yadda, but now theyve aeen over 300 viral mutations in the dallas strain and people keep catching it in ways they shouldnt. Also, it appears to be taking longer to gestate and longer to kill than it used to.
Someone is missing something.
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oddly... in all of these cases.. if people follow rules/protocols...
1) it never arrives in USA
2) 2nd nurse doesn't get on plane and fly with a temperature
Also the dipshits wearing 3 hazmat suits while working on the dude... and catching it while removing the clothing... And of course, the dude coming into the hospital 3 times, being sent home 3 times. His family didn't get it, so he was smart enough to not get near them in the week he was at home puking and shitting all over.
If these idiots just followed the rules, this doesn't happen. And late last night, I saw an article about the idiot NBC nurse/reporter/whatever, who broke quarantine to hit a restaurant up for some soup lol...
Why aren't these lawbreakers being locked the fck up and prosecuted? Attach a ten year minimum prison sentence to "breaking CDC protocol" and watch how fast these idiots DONT take flights.
The virus doesn't bother me. More power to the virus if you ask me. The problem I have is the use of racism as means to prevent anyone from questioning policy on this issue. It's the same kind of tactic Bush used to silence critics of his war. Instead of racism he used the "If you're not with us your against us" bullshit. You can spare me your normal response which will be some variation of; they all do stuff like that so whats the problem? You are free to accept the use of amoral propaganda but don't dismiss it as being acceptable because its common and don't ask me to approve of it.
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because theyre not laws man. Theyre general guidlines.
The CDC has already been crying that their protocols are not mandates, basically shuckijg responsibility for all the people catching it out of stupidity.
then create the laws. fast. make it a federal crime against public safety to break a cdc protocol.
congress has the resources to have that bill done in a week. boom.
OR let obama do it, but congress loses 100% ability to bitch about his executive orders.
John boehnner is playing the fence... some shit about banning flights POSSIBLY being the solution. He's just sitting this one out. It's been nearly a month, pick a side already, boehnner. ISIS also, but that's another thread.
I'm all for locking these people up. Make it a crime and punish them. Make it so anyone under quarantine is scared to step outside for a month, for fear of prison, and place a nice reward on pics of them making fast food runs, etc, like that NBC employee did... or flying commercial to plan a wedding like that idiot 2nd nurse.
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The virus doesn't bother me. More power to the virus if you ask me. The problem I have is the use of racism as means to prevent anyone from questioning policy on this issue. It's the same kind of tactic Bush used to silence critics of his war. Instead of racism he used the "If you're not with us your against us" bullshit. You can spare me your normal response which will be some variation of; they all do stuff like that so whats the problem? You are free to accept the use of amoral propaganda but don't dismiss it as being acceptable because its common and don't ask me to approve of it.
oh yeah, racism has nothing to do with this. just like patriotism had nothing to do with the bush stuff. Like it was non-patriotic to question the events of 911 or motivation for war. wrapped in a flag, yep... agreed there.
I think only a few idiots are claiming racism here. mostly jesse jackson with FOX/brietbart being the only ones giving that jackass the platform? LOL they own him. MSNBC, Obama, they hate the dude now... fox love him, and repubs are the only ones repeating his bullshit.
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oh yeah, racism has nothing to do with this. just like patriotism had nothing to do with the bush stuff. Like it was non-patriotic to question the events of 911 or motivation for war. wrapped in a flag, yep... agreed there.
I think only a few idiots are claiming racism here. mostly jesse jackson with FOX/brietbart being the only ones giving that jackass the platform? LOL they own him. MSNBC, Obama, they hate the dude now... fox love him, and repubs are the only ones repeating his bullshit.
It was a MSNBC panel that I first heard the evil racism theory of banning travel. I read it in the New York times. It's a narrative that is pervasive throughout the left leaning media. It's a ridiculous argument that only appeals to the least intelligent among us.
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It was a MSNBC panel that I first heard the evil racism theory of banning travel. I read it in the New York times. It's a narrative that is pervasive throughout the left leaning media. It's a ridiculous argument that only appeals to the least intelligent among us.
i guess so. I've been checking all 3 stations lately. I haven't seen it, but I believe you. I certainly woudln't say the racism/ebola angle is anywhere NEAR the 911/patriotism thing.
There will always be the Toures, the idiots of the group that talk about it, and yes, msnbc plays that up. and yes, of course it's silly. agreed that only fcking 90 IQ morons are drawn into racism (on both sides of aisle)
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It was a MSNBC panel that I first heard the evil racism theory of banning travel. I read it in the New York times. It's a narrative that is pervasive throughout the left leaning media. It's a ridiculous argument that only appeals to the least intelligent among us.
Several people have already been or are being treated for Ebola in the US. Ebola killed only the black dude, so far. It's a racist virus.
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Several people have already been or are being treated for Ebola in the US. Ebola killed only the black dude, so far. It's a racist virus.
God hates blacks. I knew, I knew.
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God hates blacks. I knew, I knew.
god is black, and his name is Obama...many believe.
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god is black, and his name is Obama...many believe.
Obama hates blacks? I knew it, I knew it. ;D ;D
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Obama hates blacks? I knew it, I knew it. ;D ;D
He's gonna divorce his wife because she's a knee grow lover.
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Interim Guidance about Ebola Infection for Airline Crews, Cleaning Personnel, and Cargo Personnel
Updated October 15, 2014
CDC requests airline crews to ask sick travelers if they were in Guinea, Liberia, or Sierra Leone in the last 21 days.
If YES, AND they have any of these Ebola symptoms--fever, severe headache, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, or unexplained bruising or bleeding--report immediately to CDC.
If NO, follow routine procedures.
We're fucking doomed with these idiots.....
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SO WHATS THE DEATH TOLL SO FAR?
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Interim Guidance about Ebola Infection for Airline Crews, Cleaning Personnel, and Cargo Personnel
Updated October 15, 2014
CDC requests airline crews to ask sick travelers if they were in Guinea, Liberia, or Sierra Leone in the last 21 days.
If YES, AND they have any of these Ebola symptoms--fever, severe headache, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, or unexplained bruising or bleeding--report immediately to CDC.
If NO, follow routine procedures.
We're fucking doomed with these idiots.....
no shit... literally no punishments for lying, no deterrent against trying to lie their way into the US for savior.
Luckily Dunan died, so maybe thatll keep some of them from trying it.
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soooo. no death toll huh
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Interim Guidance about Ebola Infection for Airline Crews, Cleaning Personnel, and Cargo Personnel
Updated October 15, 2014
CDC requests airline crews to ask sick travelers if they were in Guinea, Liberia, or Sierra Leone in the last 21 days.
If YES, AND they have any of these Ebola symptoms--fever, severe headache, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, or unexplained bruising or bleeding--report immediately to CDC.
If NO, follow routine procedures.
We're fucking doomed with these idiots.....
Went on a cruise years ago. Lady at the check in window, right before boarding ship, asks if I'm having [insert list of symptoms] and if I'm currently sick. I was honest and told her I had just gotten over a common cold, but I was okay now. She told me not to say that or put it on a form, otherwise I would be taken to the side and examined by a doctor and it would delay the boarding process. :-X
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you guys are hilarious... would rather argue an idea than facts. Because facts arent on your side...
so... will someone tell me what the US Death toll is for the Ebola virus since late august?
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soooo. no death toll huh
last i heard it was 3000 something, 50-70% mortality rate.
I think its a little early for you to ask that quesion specific to the US considering we only had 1 guy come in (last week at that), and hes already infected 2 others, 1 of which exposed up to several hundred passengers. A 737 carries 180 passengers, and a jet the size to go that distance probably carries closer to to 250 or 300. Thats at least 500 people that may have been exposed.
Its too early to tell how this is going to play out, but it pays to be smart, rather than pretend like this shit isnt serious.
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you guys are hilarious... would rather argue an idea than facts. Because facts arent on your side...
Oh the Irony. What a hypocrite.
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Oh the Irony. What a hypocrite.
there is no argument on this board ever where ive ignored facts and numbers.....youre mistaken bacon
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you guys are hilarious... would rather argue an idea than facts. Because facts arent on your side...
so... will someone tell me what the US Death toll is for the Ebola virus since late august?
In the US? One? So what? You wanna argue facts?
"The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks."
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
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Oh the Irony. What a hypocrite.
What is the US Death Toll?
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In the US? One? So what? You wanna argue facts?
"The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks."
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
there is no argument...
I just wanted to know the death toll of people in the US with ebola since august... Why is this such a difficult task
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there is no argument...
I just wanted to know the death toll of people in the US with ebola since august... Why is this such a difficult task
Didn't I just say 1? This thing just got started. The facts?
"The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks."
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
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ok...so 1 death from Ebola in over 2 and a half months...
ok, got it
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ok...so 1 death from Ebola in over 2 and a half months...
ok, got it
Yeah, you are right. It's not a big deal. It's only highly contagious with a very high mortality rate. That's all.
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What is the US Death Toll?
Why would I care. The death toll is not what concerns me and I have repeatedly stated that. You're an absolute hypocrite. You bring up statistics only when its suites you. Don't you have medical training? Why don't you get your ass involved helping your brothers and sisters in Africa.
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last i heard it was 3000 something, 50-70% mortality rate.
I think its a little early for you to ask that quesion specific to the US considering we only had 1 guy come in (last week at that), and hes already infected 2 others, 1 of which exposed up to several hundred passengers. A 737 carries 180 passengers, and a jet the size to go that distance probably carries closer to to 250 or 300. Thats at least 500 people that may have been exposed.
Its too early to tell how this is going to play out, but it pays to be smart, rather than pretend like this shit isnt serious.
Nigeria is almost next door to the epicenter of the epidemic and has managed to eradicate new cases after an initial outbreak. They have contained it so effectively that the CDC will probably declare the country officially ebola free within a matter of days. The countries that are feeling the brunt of it are poorer countries that aren't equipped to handle it. As scary as it is dealing with something new and deadly like this, it's not Armageddon. Option D's posts have been right about the unlikelihood of there being an epidemic here.
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Nigeria is almost next door to the epicenter of the epidemic and has managed to eradicate new cases after an initial outbreak. They have contained it so effectively that the CDC will probably declare the country officially ebola free within a matter of days. The countries that are feeling the brunt of it are poorer countries that aren't equipped to handle it. As scary as it is dealing with something new and deadly like this, it's not Armageddon. Option D's posts have been right about the unlikelihood of there being an epidemic here.
Nigeria? Right, right. Are these effective containment methods politically correct in rich, western nations?
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ok...so 1 death from Ebola in over 2 and a half months...
ok, got it
how do you figure 2.5 months? The 1st case that actually was on the streets happened last week or the week before. And hes dead now, and he infected 2 others, one of whom flew with symptoms and may have infected a bunch more.
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how do you figure 2.5 months? The 1st case that actually was on the streets happened last week or the week before. And hes dead now, and he infected 2 others, one of whom flew with symptoms and may have infected a bunch more.
i was using a different timeline. The ebola saga started for me when a close friend of mine with the CDC went to Libera, that was in early August. But in the US, it was the one guy that was in dallas, as a confirmed case that lead to death.. 1 in 2 weeks..
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how do you figure 2.5 months? The 1st case that actually was on the streets happened last week or the week before. And hes dead now, and he infected 2 others, one of whom flew with symptoms and may have infected a bunch more.
And every single one of these happened because of negligence, ignorance and an attitude just like Option D's attitude toward this virus.
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And every single one of these happened because of negligence, ignorance and an attitude just like Option D's attitude toward this virus.
i just asked a simple question bro. youre going full retard for no reason
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Nigeria? Right, right. Are these effective containment methods politically correct in rich, western nations?
Nigeria is one of the more developed countries in Africa. But, yeah, the CDC and the World Bank have both held Nigeria up as examples of what other nations should do to combat ebola.
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i just asked a simple question bro. youre going full retard for no reason
Doesn't take long for you libs to start with the insults. Typical.
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Doesn't take long for you libs to start with the insults. Typical.
lol...youre sensative today...
I always use "full retard". More like "going above and beyond"
I use "full retard" on my self like
"went to the gym today and went full retard on chest"
god damn brah...youre fucking thin skinned
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Yale student in CT showing signs. just got back from over therre
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Yale-New-Haven-Hospital-Admits-Person-with-Ebola-Like-Symptoms--279415262.html
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lol...youre sensative today...
I always use "full retard". More like "going above and beyond"
I use "full retard" on my self like
"went to the gym today and went full retard on chest"
god damn brah...youre fucking thin skinned
Racist post reported.
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Racist post reported.
Im not sure you can put the term "Retard" in the racist bucket
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Im not sure you can put the term "Retard" in the racist bucket
They prefer to be called "Mentally Delayed Americans."
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Obama’s Ebola Cluster****
Flopping Aces ^ | 10-15-14 | DrJohn
Posted on 10/16/2014 1:31:15 PM by Starman417
obama remain calm
So what would make Barack Obama cancel a fund raiser?
ISIS on the move? Nope. Beheadings of Americans? Nope. On the golf course in ten minutes. A first American Ebola victim? Took a few more minutes, but straight to the golf course. A second beheading victim? Nope.
So what did it take? A poll. Obama's ratings are sinking faster than the Titanic.
President Barack Obama’s approval rating is at the lowest level of his presidency, a new poll says.
According to an ABC News/Washington Post poll released Wednesday, 40 percent of Americans approve of Obama’s job performance, the lowest score the poll has recorded since he took office. His rating is down 1 point from September.
Now in panic mode, Obama has canceled fundraisers for Thursday as well. He wants you to know he's concerned and on the job. It's all about the optics.
Where did it go wrong for Obama? pleads Amie Parnes at The Hill. Well, Amie, let's do a little review first.
You can keep your plan no matter what.
You can keep your doctor.
You'll save $2500 per year.
It's not a tax.
Shovel ready.
Al Qaeda is on the run
Al Qaeda is decimated
ISIS is the JV
We leave behind a stable and sovereign Iraq
I didn’t set a red line, the world did
I got bad intel
The tide of war is receding
The world is less violent than it has ever been
I ended the war in Iraq.
200 rounds of golf
400 fundraisers
You'd be well advised not to believe a thing Obama says.
Remember when Obama assured us that Ebola wouldn't see an outbreak on US shores?
First and foremost, I want the American people to know that our experts, here at the CDC and across our government, agree that the chances of an Ebola outbreak here in the United States are extremely low.
It's hard to believe what has gone down since.
Ebola is a Biosafety Level Four Pathogen. That's as dangerous as it gets. The use of positive pressure suits is highly recommended when handling the Ebola virus, Ebola victims or any wrappings with which they come into contact, including bed sheets and refuse. What most don't know is that specific protocols are required not only for contact with Ebola victims but in the removal of the biohazard suits as well.
Despite being assured by Obama and Tom Frieden, the Obama appointed hack who runs the CDC, all is not well.
The Obama regime raided the Gibson guitar factory in 2009 and 2011, claiming that the specific type of wood used in some Gibson guitars is not permitted into this country. Bagpipes have been confiscated at the border.
Gibson guitar wood not allowed in the US. Bagpipes not allowed in the US. Ebola? Sure, why not?
(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/15/cdc-outbreak-prevention-advice-dismissed-by-obama-
More utter fail from Obama
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john boehnner would POSSIBLY support restrictions on flights from africa. what a joke. as bad as obama.
and at least obama is in washington, dc, dealing with it. the most powerful republican in USA has been absent entirely.
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My whole family - all Republicans - are voting Obama. i'm driving them to the station later - buying everyone dinner - making it a real family event.
You are pathetic.
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You are pathetic.
OUCH!!!!
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The New York Times | BREAKING NEWS ALERT
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BREAKING NEWS Friday, October 17, 2014 10:44 AM EDT
Obama Picks Ebola ‘Czar’: Ron Klain, Former Biden Aide
President Obama on Friday appointed Ron Klain, a former chief of staff for Vice Presidents Al Gore and Joseph R. Biden Jr., as Ebola “czar” to manage the government’s response to the deadly virus as anxiety grew over its possible spread, according to a White House official.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ron-klain-chief-of-staff-to-2-vice-presidents-is-named-ebola-czar.html?emc=edit_na_20141017
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Who Do They Think We Are?
The administration’s Ebola evasions reveal its disdain for the American people.
By Peggy Noonan
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Martin Kozlowski
The administration’s handling of the Ebola crisis continues to be marked by double talk, runaround and gobbledygook. And its logic is worse than its language. In many of its actions, especially its public pronouncements, the government is functioning not as a soother of public anxiety but the cause of it.
An example this week came in the dialogue between Megyn Kelly of Fox News and Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control.
Their conversation focused largely on the government’s refusal to stop travel into the United States by citizens of plague nations. “Why not put a travel ban in place,” Ms. Kelly asked, while we shore up the U.S. public-health system?
Dr. Frieden replied that we now have screening at airports, and “we’ve already recommended that all nonessential travel to these countries be stopped for Americans.” He added: “We’re always looking at ways that we can better protect Americans.”
“But this is one,” Ms. Kelly responded.
Dr. Frieden implied a travel ban would be harmful: “If we do things that are going to make it harder to stop the epidemic there, it’s going to spread to other parts of—”
Ms. Kelly interjected, asking how keeping citizens from the affected regions out of America would make it harder to stop Ebola in Africa.
“Because you can’t get people in and out.”
“Why can’t we have charter flights?”
“You know, charter flights don’t do the same thing commercial airliners do.”
“What do you mean? They fly in and fly out.”
Dr. Frieden replied that limiting travel between African nations would slow relief efforts. “If we isolate these countries, what’s not going to happen is disease staying there. It’s going to spread more all over Africa and we’ll be at higher risk.”
Later in the interview, Ms. Kelly noted that we still have airplanes coming into the U.S. from Liberia, with passengers expected to self-report Ebola exposure.
Dr. Frieden responded: “Ultimately the only way—and you may not like this—but the only way we will get our risk to zero here is to stop the outbreak in Africa.”
Ms. Kelly said yes, that’s why we’re sending troops. But why can’t we do that and have a travel ban?
“If it spreads more in Africa, it’s going to be more of a risk to us here. Our only goal is protecting Americans—that’s our mission. We do that by protecting people here and by stopping threats abroad. That protects Americans.”
Dr. Frieden’s logic was a bit of a heart-stopper. In fact his responses were more non sequiturs than answers. We cannot ban people at high risk of Ebola from entering the U.S. because people in West Africa have Ebola, and we don’t want it to spread. Huh?
In testimony before Congress Thursday, Dr. Frieden was not much more straightforward. His answers often sound like filibusters: long, rolling paragraphs of benign assertion, advertising slogans—“We know how to stop Ebola,” “Our focus is protecting people”—occasionally extraneous data, and testimony to the excellence of our health-care professionals.
It is my impression that everyone who speaks for the government on this issue has been instructed to imagine his audience as anxious children. It feels like how the pediatrician talks to the child, not the parents. It’s as if they’ve been told: “Talk, talk, talk, but don’t say anything. Clarity is the enemy.”
The language of government now is word-spew.
Dr. Frieden did not explain his or the government’s thinking on the reasons for opposition to a travel ban. On the other hand, he noted that the government will consider all options in stopping the virus from spreading here, so perhaps that marks the beginning of a possible concession.
It is one thing that Dr. Frieden, and those who are presumably making the big decisions, have been so far incapable of making a believable and compelling case for not instituting a ban. A separate issue is how poor a decision it is. To call it childish would be unfair to children. In fact, if you had a group of 11-year-olds, they would surely have a superior answer to the question: “Sick people are coming through the door of the house, and we are not sure how to make them well. Meanwhile they are starting to make us sick, too. What is the first thing to do?”
The children would reply: “Close the door.” One would add: “Just for a while, while you figure out how to treat everyone getting sick.” Another might say: “And keep going outside the door in protective clothing with medical help.” Eleven-year-olds would get this one right without a lot of struggle.
If we don’t momentarily close the door to citizens of the affected nations, it is certain that more cases will come into the U.S. It is hard to see how that helps anyone. Closing the door would be no guarantee of safety—nothing is guaranteed, and the world is porous. But it would reduce risk and likelihood, which itself is worthwhile.
Africa, by the way, seems to understand this. The Associated Press on Thursday reported the continent’s health-care officials had limited the threat to only five countries with the help of border controls, travel restrictions, and aggressive and sophisticated tracking.
All of which returns me to my thoughts the past few weeks. Back then I’d hear the official wordage that doesn’t amount to a logical thought, and the unspoken air of “We don’t want to panic you savages,” and I’d look at various public officials and muse: “Who do you think you are?”
Now I think, “Who do they think we are?”
Does the government think if America is made to feel safer, she will forget the needs of the Ebola nations? But Americans, more than anyone else, are the volunteers, altruists and in a few cases saints who go to the Ebola nations to help. And they were doing it long before the Western media was talking about the disease, and long before America was experiencing it.
At the Ebola hearings Thursday, Rep. Henry Waxman (D., Calif.) said, I guess to the American people: “Don’t panic.” No one’s panicking—except perhaps the administration, which might explain its decisions.
Is it always the most frightened people who run around telling others to calm down?
This week the president canceled a fundraiser and returned to the White House to deal with the crisis. He made a statement and came across as about three days behind the story—“rapid response teams” and so forth. It reminded some people of the statement in July, during another crisis, of the president’s communications director, who said that when a president rushes back to Washington, it “can have the unintended consequence of unduly alarming the American people.” Yes, we’re such sissies. Actually, when Mr. Obama eschews a fundraiser to go to his office to deal with a public problem we are not scared, only surprised.
But again, who do they think we are? You gather they see us as poor, panic-stricken people who want a travel ban because we’re beside ourselves with fear and loathing. Instead of practical, realistic people who are way ahead of our government.
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there is no argument...
I just wanted to know the death toll of people in the US with ebola since august... Why is this such a difficult task
Why are you asking a question you know the answer to? What is your point?
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Why are you asking a question you know the answer to? What is your point?
His point is that there is never anything wrong EVEr in the handling of anything w the Obola Admn - now lets talk about trayvon and palin
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Why are you asking a question you know the answer to? What is your point?
This is the guy who thinks cops are out hunting for black males even when every statistic says otherwise. He picks and chooses the statistics he pays attention to.
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Wtf is up with all these Czars... which mostly turn out to be corrupt, incompetent cronies that Obama doesnt listen to anyway....
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Obama: We'll Keep Ebola Out by Letting West Africans In
CNS News ^ | October 17, 2014 | Susan Jones
Posted on 10/17/2014 11:13:25 AM by McGruff
"I don't have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban, if that is the thing that is going to keep the American people safe," President Obama said on Thursday.
Obama said the experts have advised him that it's more effective to let West Africans into the U.S. than it would be to keep them out.
"The problem is that in all the discussions I've had thus far with experts in the field, experts in infectious disease, is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures that we are currently instituting, that involve screening passengers who are coming from West Africa."
Obama said it's important to continue screening West Africans before they get on planes and then after they arrive in the U.S. to see if they're showing signs of disease. Sick people should get medical evaluations, he said. And people who are not sick should list their contact information.
"If we institute a travel ban instead of the protocols that we put in place now, history shows that there is a likelihood of increased avoidance. People do not readily disclose their information. They may engage in something called broken travel, essentially breaking up their trip, so they can hide the fact that they have been to one of these countries where the disease is in place. And as a result, we may end up getting less information about who has the disease. They're less likely to get treated properly, screened properly, quarantined properly. And as a consequence we could end up having more cases rather than less."
Obama said if his medical experts come back to him and recommend additional precautions, "I assure you, we will do it, but it is important in these circumstances for us to look at the history of how these infectious diseases are best dealt with. And it is currently the judgment of all those, involved that a flat-out travel ban is not the best way to go. But we will continue to monitor this. I'm asking these questions.
"If in fact it turns out I'm getting different answers, then I will share them with the American people. We will not hesitate to do what's necessary in order to maximize the chances that we avoid an outbreak here in the United States..."
Obama said he understands that "people are worried" about Ebola. "But what I want to emphasize once again is that right now, we got one individual who came in with the disease. We have two nurses who have been diagnosed with the disease as a consequence of in some fashion being exposed during treatment. And what remains true is that this is not an airborne disease. It has not easy to catch. You can only catch it through being in contact with the bodily fluids of an individual who not only has the disease, but also is showing symptoms of the disease.
"And so it's important, I think, for all of us to keep perspective in terms of how we handle this. We are taking this very seriously at the highest levels, starting with me."
Obama said it's especially important for health care workers to "have more confidence" as flu season arrives, and people with fever come into hospitals across the country. "There may be false alarms and concerns," Obama said.
"And so we're going to spend a lot of time working with our public health workers to make sure that they feel safe and adequately protected. But I want to assure the American people, we're taking this seriously. But this is something that is really hard to catch. And if we do what we need to do, and we stay focused, then this is going to be something that is contained here."
Dozens of U.S. lawmakers, both Republicans and Democrats, have urged President Obama to block travelers from West Africa from entering the United States.
Rep. Dennis Ross (R-Fla.) said Thursday that he is "putting my foot down" and will introduce a bill restricting all commercial flights from traveling to and from Ebola-affected countries until the virus is contained and no longer a threat.
"This legislation is a more serious approach to preventing Ebola from further infiltrating our homeland," Ross said in a statement on his website.
"Airport security screening is a complete smoke and mirror approach to the virus and Americans aren’t buying it. I urge my colleagues to sign onto this legislation and hope Speaker Boehner will quickly call Congress back into session to debate my legislation.”
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Why are you asking a question you know the answer to? What is your point?
i didnt know.. i was asking a question to these guys... now if the answer doesnt play to their opinion... thats on them...
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This is the guy who thinks cops are out hunting for black males even when every statistic says otherwise. He picks and chooses the statistics he pays attention to.
lol.. blacks and cops...
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i didnt know.. i was asking a question to these guys... now if the answer doesnt play to their opinion... thats on them...
Oh the irony.
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i didnt know.. i was asking a question to these guys... now if the answer doesnt play to their opinion... thats on them...
But the answer is obvious and you already know it. What point are you trying to make?
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This is the guy who thinks cops are out hunting for black males even when every statistic says otherwise. He picks and chooses the statistics he pays attention to.
whats my motive for asking this stat?
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whats my motive for asking this stat?
Who cares what your motivation is. The fact that you feel entitled to reference statistics as an argument is an act of utter hypocrisy. You lost the right to make that argument.
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But the answer is obvious and you already know it. What point are you trying to make?
We go full retard with the hysteria right? Were going hard with the "outbreak Scnerio" (for whatever reason)
So i wanted to confirm everyones understanding of the stats...
And so far, hang nail has killed more people on the US than Ebola..
The stats dont jive with the rhetoric.
but feel free to carry on
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We go full retard with the hysteria right? Were going hard with the "outbreak Scnerio" (for whatever reason)
So i wanted to confirm everyones understanding of the stats...
And so far, hang nail has killed more people on the US than Ebola..
The stats dont jive with the rhetoric.
but feel free to carry on
Because dipshit - look what happened in West Africa as this thing spread? They started out w only a few cases too remember and that drug addicted homo president we have said it would NEVER come here remember?
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We go full retard with the hysteria right? Were going hard with the "outbreak Scnerio" (for whatever reason)
So i wanted to confirm everyones understanding of the stats...
And so far, hang nail has killed more people on the US than Ebola..
The stats dont jive with the rhetoric.
but feel free to carry on
Do you even realize how you sound? Remember this advice next time you melt down from racism hysteria.
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Who cares what your motivation is. The fact that you feel entitled to reference statistics as an argument is an act of utter hypocrisy. You lost the right to make that argument.
haha... thats how you feel...sorry bro. But i have no clue who you are, but everyone on this thread knows that im data driven. Now just because you and i have a disagreement (which seriously dont even remember) youve made it your crusade to tell me when i can ask for a stat...
bro off yourself. Tha fuck you think this is.. "i lost the right"...
Right these nuts
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haha... thats how you feel...sorry bro. But i have no clue who you are, but everyone on this thread knows that im data driven. Now just because you and i have a disagreement (which seriously dont even remember) youve made it your crusade to tell me when i can ask for a stat...
bro off yourself. Tha fuck you think this is.. "i lost the right"...
Right these nuts
LMFAO - data driven. lol!!!!
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Because dipshit - look what happened in West Africa as this thing spread? They started out w only a few cases too remember and that drug addicted homo president we have said it would NEVER come here remember?
check border states.
Nigeria.
1 Confirmed death attributed to Ebola...
My man goin super hard for one death. in a month...
bro kill yourself
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haha... thats how you feel...sorry bro. But i have no clue who you are, but everyone on this thread knows that im data driven. Now just because you and i have a disagreement (which seriously dont even remember) youve made it your crusade to tell me when i can ask for a stat...
bro off yourself. Tha fuck you think this is.. "i lost the right"...
Right these nuts
You're not data driven. You're delusional as hell, man. Does anyone consider this fool data driven?
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LMFAO - data driven. lol!!!!
kind of like the Atlantis Letter...
you know what happens when you engage with me... i destory you and you know it
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kind of like the Atlantis Letter...
you know what happens when you engage with me... i destory you and you know it
I'm still laughing over data driven. You are seriously delusional.
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kind of like the Atlantis Letter...
you know what happens when you engage with me... i destory you and you know it
LOL - yeah ok - talk to anyone - I mean anyone not on welfare and public assistance who pays for health insurance - and ask them what has happened since EbolaCare was passed?
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You're not data driven. You're delusional as hell, man. Does anyone consider this fool data driven?
why am i delusional... tell me... because i said cops disproportionately target blacks?
Thats why youre mad.
If you want to discuss stats we can on another thread. But if you want to contribute to hysteria over 1 death in a month... thats just ignoring stats
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Obama names Ebola czar with NO healthcare experience to take over bungled response to crisis
Ron Klain will coordinate the Obama administration's Ebola response efforts
He is a longtime Democratic Party political operative and generous political donor with no background in medicine or public health
Klain was chief of staff to Vice Presidents Al Gore and Joe Biden
Managed Gore's legal team during the 2000 presidential election recount in Florida and ran debate prep for John Kerry in 2004
Kevin Spacey portrayed him in the movie 'Recount' – and his character in the movie 'Outbreak' died of Ebola
Klain boasted that he was responsible for hiring Obama's second White House Press Secretary, Jay Carney
By David Martosko, Us Political Editor for MailOnline
Published: 09:57 EST, 17 October 2014 | Updated: 11:46 EST, 17 October 2014
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President Barack Obama has named Democratic political operative and loyal party donor Ron Klain as his 'Ebola czar' an administration source confirmed on Friday.
Klain, a lawyer and former Supreme Court clerk, was part of the team that helped the president prepare for his debates during the 2008 election cycle. He served as chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden until 2011 and served the same role for Vice President Al Gore during the 1990s.
In 2000 Klain helmed Gore's legal operation overseeing the contentious and lengthy ballot recounts in the all-important Florida presidential contest. He also ran then-Senator John Kerry's debate preparation team in the 2004 presidential election.
Federal Election Commission records collected by the Center for Responsive Politics show that Klain has donated $17,890 to Democratic candidates and campaign committees.
He gave $1,000 to Barack Obama in 2006 when the president was a U.S. senator who hadn't yet waded into the White House race.
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Kevin Spacey (right) played Democratic Party veteran Ron Klain (left) in the movie 'Outbreak' but his character died of Ebola in the film
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Kevin Spacey (right) played Democratic Party veteran Ron Klain (left) in the movie 'Outbreak' but his character died of Ebola in the film
Out of time: CDC chief Dr. Thomas Frieden (right) has been Obama's most visible Ebola-fighter but his agency's stumbles drove many in Congress to demand a new whole-government coordinator
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Out of time: CDC chief Dr. Thomas Frieden (right) has been Obama's most visible Ebola-fighter but his agency's stumbles drove many in Congress to demand a new whole-government coordinator
Up, up and away: Klain (standing, right) was chief of staff to VP Joe Biden (left) until 2011, and will become intimately familiar with the new dangers of flying
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Up, up and away: Klain (standing, right) was chief of staff to VP Joe Biden (left) until 2011, and will become intimately familiar with the new dangers of flying
Klain's other contributions include a $250 check to Massachusetts Democratic Rep. Joe Kennedy this year and three donations totaling $5,700 to Massachusetts Democratic Senator Joe Markey in 2013.
Kevin Spacey portrayed him in the HBO movie 'Recount'; in the later film 'Outbreak,' his character dies of Ebola.
Klain's published biographies indicate nothing in his professional history related to medicine or public health.
In 2009 the Obama White House tapped him to supervise the allocation of money tied to the president's ill-fated economic stimulus package.
This year when White House Press Secretary Jay Carney retired, Klain boasted on Twitter that he was 'the person who hired' him.
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Following an Ebola meeting at the White House on Thursday, Obama conceded that 'it may make sense for us to have one person' to coordinate the administration's Ebola response efforts.
That way, he added, 'after this initial surge of activity, we can have a more regular process just to make sure that we're crossing all the T's and dotting all the I's going forward.'
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Mocking: Reactions online ranged from congratulatory (from Democratic operatives) to desultory (from scientists)
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why am i delusional... tell me... because i said cops disproportionately target blacks?
Thats why youre mad.
If you want to discuss stats we can on another thread. But if you want to contribute to hysteria over 1 death in a month... thats just ignoring stats
Fuck Ebola - its Obama that's the main death causing cancer and plague in this nation right now
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You're not data driven. You're delusional as hell, man. Does anyone consider this fool data driven?
I always ask, What are the numbers?
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Fuck Ebola - its Obama that's the main death causing cancer and plague in this nation right now
thats just retarded.
But youre good with archer because you he agrees with your politics... incredible
talk about consistancy
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I always ask, What are the numbers?
Oh my god. Seriously, you are a delusional person. I don't care about the numbers. What I care about is your utter lack of self-awareness of your total hypocrisy. You have never demonstrated any appreciation for or knowledge of data. You said people on this thread think you're data driven. Besides yourself, who thinks that?
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thats just retarded.
But youre good with archer because you he agrees with your politics... incredible
talk about consistancy
about what? Personally I don't think Ebola is a disaster YET - but the potential is there given the shameful incompetence of Obola Admn to make small things drastically worse.
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thats just retarded.
But youre good with archer because you he agrees with your politics... incredible
talk about consistancy
Here is the thing. The number of actual deaths in the United States has nothing to do with what precautions need to be established to prevent more infections. Every outbreak starts with only a small number of infected or dying.
hahaha, data driven. I can't get over it.
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This is the guy who thinks cops are out hunting for black males even when every statistic says otherwise. He picks and chooses the statistics he pays attention to.
I've never heard him say that, but we know that the biggest threat to blacks is other blacks, given that the perpetrator in 9 out of 10 black murder victims is black.
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We go full retard with the hysteria right? Were going hard with the "outbreak Scnerio" (for whatever reason)
So i wanted to confirm everyones understanding of the stats...
And so far, hang nail has killed more people on the US than Ebola..
The stats dont jive with the rhetoric.
but feel free to carry on
That sounds pretty shortsighted. You cannot get a hangnail by sitting next to someone who has a hangnail. We're talking about a highly contagious disease with an astronomically high kill rate and no cure. And our government has been acting like a bunch of scatterbrains. Of course we should be worried about this. I certainly am.
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That sounds pretty shortsighted. You cannot get a hangnail by sitting next to someone who has a hangnail. We're talking about a highly contagious disease with an astronomically high kill rate. And our government has been acting like a bunch of scatterbrains. Of course we should be worried about this. I certainly am.
What he is saying is, the public should only worry about ebola after it kills a larger number of people. How logical is that?
I've never heard him say that, but we know that the biggest threat to blacks is other blacks, given that the perpetrator in 9 out of 10 black murder victims is black.
Read his comments on Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. Notice he never denied the accusation.
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What he is saying is, the public should only worry about ebola after it kills a larger number of people. How logical is that?
Read his comments on Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. Notice he never denied the accusation.
Completely illogical, if that's his point.
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Because dipshit - look what happened in West Africa as this thing spread? They started out w only a few cases too remember and that drug addicted homo president we have said it would NEVER come here remember?
But I thought Africans aren't even smart enough to wash their balls.
And, if that's so, why would this disease be expected to have the same impact here in America?
I'm half joking but a lot of folks seem to be jumping the gun a bit with all this fear of Ebola. Especially since it's not supposed to be contagious by air.
Let's see if the folks who contract Ebola here in the USA (2 so far, right?) and receive first-world medical attention from the get-go recover or not.
It's my guess that there are more than a few potentially fatal contagious diseases that one can pick up from foreign countries that kill more Americans every year than Ebola has so far.
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Facing renewed criticism of his handling of the Ebola risk, Obama will make Ron Klain, a former chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, his point man on fighting Ebola at home and in West Africa. Klain will report to national security adviser Susan Rice and to homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco, the White House said.
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But I thought Africans aren't even smart enough to wash their balls.
And, if that's so, why would this disease be expected to have the same impact here in America?
I'm half joking but a lot of folks seem to be jumping the gun a bit with all this fear of Ebola. Especially since it's not supposed to be contagious by air.
Let's see if the folks who contract Ebola here in the USA (2 so far, right?) and receive first-world medical attention from the get-go recover or not.
It's my guess that there are more than a few potentially fatal contagious diseases that one can pick up from foreign countries that kill more Americans every year than Ebola has so far.
Very well reasoned post, kore!
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1. Ebola rhymes w Obama so I guess the name has resonance w the public.
2. I am looking for anything to trash him over, big or small - so while its not a disaster yet - it has the potential to be given the rank incompetence by Obola oh sorry - Obama, so why not start pointing fingers early on this?
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But I thought Africans aren't even smart enough to wash their balls.
And, if that's so, why would this disease be expected to have the same impact here in America?
I'm half joking but a lot of folks seem to be jumping the gun a bit with all this fear of Ebola. Especially since it's not supposed to be contagious by air.
Let's see if the folks who contract Ebola here in the USA (2 so far, right?) and receive first-world medical attention from the get-go recover or not.
It's my guess that there are more than a few potentially fatal contagious diseases that one can pick up from foreign countries that kill more Americans every year than Ebola has so far.
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Nigeria? Right, right. Are these effective containment methods politically correct in rich, western nations?
You seem to be alluding to inhumane treatment of victims in Nigeria or something. If you really have knowledge of that kind of thing, please share.
And, compared to Liberia and Sierra Leone, isn't Nigeria a rich nation? -- I ask this because I used to have this Nigerian woman cut my hair who mentioned that she'd soon be making a trip back to Nigeria to visit her family. When she mentioned that she'd be bringing her 2 teenaged kids who'd been raised in the USA but had been to Nigeria before a few times, I asked her what they thought of Nigeria; I told her that the kids of some of my (Thai) wife's Thai friends didn't like going to Thailand and called it "that dirty place". I could tell that she didn't think that was cool at all and sort of snootily told me that unlike my wife's friends, her family was not "from the village".
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Here is a pretty decent article about Ebola in Nigeria.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/10/15/nigeria_and_senegal_on_the_verge_of_being_declared_ebola_free_can_we_learn.html
The success these countries had in containing the outbreak is going to prompt some discussion of what lessons can be learned for other places fighting Ebola. The Financial Times attributes Nigeria’s achievement to a “rare national effort that saw the Lagos state government, federal institutions, the private sector, and global non-governmental organizations all pulling in the same direction to defeat the disease.” That national effort included a presidential decree that gave officials access to phone records and a strict system to monitor potential cases, one that involved tracking down more than 800 people who may have had contact with the infected.
But arguably, Nigeria didn’t actually do a very impressive job. A single Liberian man, who traveled to Nigeria in July, infected 11 hospital staff in the time between his admission to a hospital and when his test results were received. There might have been more infections if not for a doctors’ strike that reduced the number of people who came in contact with him. One doctor told the New York Times, “At the time, nobody was prepared for it.”
The advantage Nigeria had was that its outbreak began with this one man, who was immediately taken from the airport to a clinic, at a time when Ebola was already a crisis. By contrast, international agencies and authorities in the three countries at the epicenter of the outbreak—Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone—didn’t wake up to the severity of the disease until dozens were already infected.
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Very well reasoned post, kore!
Thanks.
I don't know much about Ebola except for that I watched that 30 minute Vice documentary about the disease in Liberia. And what struck me while watching it was how freaking poor Liberia is.
I wouldn't want to try to survive a case of the flu in that place.
Please note that I will start worrying if one of those Dallas nurses dies from this.
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Thanks.
I don't know much about Ebola except for that I watched that 30 minute Vice documentary about the disease in Liberia. And what struck me while watching it was how freaking poor Liberia is.
I wouldn't want to try to survive a case of the flu in that place.
Please note that I will start worrying if one of those Dallas nurses dies from this.
Liberia has been in a near constant state of war and infighting. In an example of historical irony, upon their arrival the free blacks from america dominated the the indigenous people economically and socially. Eventually this would erupt in violence.
I'm not really worried about the disease myself. I think people have gotten their act together after the nurses were infected.
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Liberia has been in a near constant state of war and infighting. In an example of historical irony, upon their arrival the free blacks from america dominated the the indigenous people economically and socially. Eventually this would erupt in violence.
I'm not really worried about the disease myself. I think people have gotten their act together after the nurses were infected.
same here.
the attitude completely shifted after the dallas issue..m suddenly people realized 'oh shit, its here, maybe we should take this a little more seriously', rather than listening to the CDC and .gov telling them a bunch of feel good BS. Once the citizens start getting upset, .gov starts taking action.
Problem is its so hard to find that fine line between apathy and overreaction...
normally we go full blown panic mode thanks to the media...
this time we went the other way in 'dont give a fuck' mode because we were so used to the media going 'boy who cried wolf' mode... and this is the one time we should have been somewhar cautious.
I dont why we cant just be cautious and follow a quarantine procedure instead of either freaking out or sticking our heads in the sand....
Probably just another example of how polarized our country is..... people pick a side, go to the extreme, and refuse to be reasonable.
Seems everything is political, even dealing with a disease.
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same here.
the attitude completely shifted after the dallas issue..m suddenly people realized 'oh shit, its here, maybe we should take this a little more seriously', rather than listening to the CDC and .gov telling them a bunch of feel good BS. Once the citizens start getting upset, .gov starts taking action.
Problem is its so hard to find that fine line between apathy and overreaction...
normally we go full blown panic mode thanks to the media...
this time we went the other way in 'dont give a fuck' mode because we were so used to the media going 'boy who cried wolf' mode... and this is the one time we should have been somewhar cautious.
I dont why we cant just be cautious and follow a quarantine procedure instead of either freaking out or sticking our heads in the sand....
Probably just another example of how polarized our country is..... people pick a side, go to the extreme, and refuse to be reasonable.
Seems everything is political, even dealing with a disease.
The hospital blew it and they know it. There is a lot more public scrutiny and pressure on hospitals now to take the issue seriously.
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He picks and chooses the statistics he pays attention to.
Oh, the irony. Coming from the guy who never met a statistic that he interpreted correctly.
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Oh, the irony. Coming from the guy who never met a statistic that he interpreted correctly.
Why is it that ever source but you and the black supremacist site you took your opinion from interpret the data exactly as I did? It's whats called a sampling size. This is how all statistics are calculated.
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The weight counts series incidents as the actual number of incidents reported by the victim, up to a maximum of 10 incidents. Including series victimizations in national rates results in rather large increases in the level of violent victimization; however, trends in violence are generally similar regardless of whether series victimizations are included.
In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates. Additional information on the series enumeration is detailed in the report Methods for Counting High Frequency Repeat Victimizations in the National Crime Victimization Survey, NCJ 237308, BJS web, April 2012.
Right from their webiste. They know what they are doing. Now go back to whining about white people.
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245#Methodology
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The weight counts series incidents as the actual number of incidents reported by the victim, up to a maximum of 10 incidents. Including series victimizations in national rates results in rather large increases in the level of violent victimization; however, trends in violence are generally similar regardless of whether series victimizations are included.
In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates. Additional information on the series enumeration is detailed in the report Methods for Counting High Frequency Repeat Victimizations in the National Crime Victimization Survey, NCJ 237308, BJS web, April 2012.
Right from their webiste. They know what they are doing. Now go back to whining about white people.
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245#Methodology
You know, I was prepared to post a rough list of all of the wrong statistical interpretations that you have posted in literally every thread I remember you posting a stat, but I don't even have to. This is the perfect example. I assume you're posting this in reference to that study having less than 10 sample cases for what you interpreted as a black-on-white epidemic. That's not what your quoted text means. "Series incidents "means a crime or a group of crimes involving the same victims and perpetrators. So, if a guy beats his girlfriend several times, it is capped at ten within the statistics. It doesn't mean that less than 10 case studies is weighted to be accurate.
In the VERY NEXT SECTION of the page you linked to there is this:
In cases where the CV is greater than 50%, or the unweighted sample had 10 or fewer cases, the estimate is noted with a “!” symbol (Interpret data with caution. Estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases, or the coefficient of variation is greater than 50%).
So, yeah, you don't understand facts. At all. And this is a habit for you. EVery single time I have looked into any stats you posted, they were either complete bullshit it interpreted wildly inaccurately.
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You know, I was prepared to post a rough list of all of the wrong statistical interpretations that you have posted in literally every thread I remember you posting a stat, but I don't even have to. This is the perfect example. I assume you're posting this in reference to that study having less than 10 sample cases for what you interpreted as a black-on-white epidemic. That's not what your quoted text means. "Series incidents "means a crime or a group of crimes involving the same victims and perpetrators. So, if a guy beats his girlfriend several times, it is capped at ten within the statistics.
In the VERY NEXT SECTION of the page you linked to there is this:
So, yeah, you don't understand facts. At all. And this is a habit for you. EVery single time I have looked into any stats you posted, they were either complete bullshit it interpreted wildly inaccurately.
They explain why they use a sample of ten. It corrects any statistical imbalances that can skew the data. It's right there.
This is from a PDF you can download from the same site.
Given the findings from this research, BJS will enumerate
series victimizations using the victim’s estimates of the
number of times the victimizations occurred over the past 6
months, capping the number of victimizations within each
series at a maximum of 10. This strategy for counting series
victimizations balances the desire to estimate national rates
and account for the experiences of persons with repeated
victimizations while noting that some estimation errors exist
in the number of times these victimizations occurred.
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Meet America's New Ebola Czar
Zero Hedge ^ | 10/17/2014 | Tyler Durden
Posted on 10/17/2014 2:00:05 PM by tired&retired
Forget medical experience, what the USA needs to combat the worst Ebola pandemic ever is "an American lawyer and political operative best known for serving as Chief of Staff to two Vice Presidents - Al Gore (1995–1999) and Joseph Biden (2009–2011)."
Ronald A. "Ron" Klain is an American lawyer and political operative best known for serving as Chief of Staff to two Vice Presidents - Al Gore (1995–1999) and Joseph Biden (2009–2011). He is an influential Democratic Party insider. Earlier in his career, he was a law clerk for Supreme Court Justice Byron White during the Court's 1987 and 1988 Terms and worked on Capitol Hill, where he was Chief Counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee during the Clarence Thomas Supreme Court nomination. He was portrayed by Kevin Spacey in the HBO film Recount depicting the tumult of the 2000 presidential election.
Lobbying Klain helped Fannie Mae overcome "regulatory issues".
Klain apparently signed off on President Obama's support of a $535 million loan guarantee for now-defunct solar-panel company Solyndra.
Clinton administration Klain joined the Clinton-Gore campaign in 1992. He ultimately was involved in both of Bill Clinton's campaigns, oversaw Clinton's judicial nominations, and was General Counsel to Al Gore's recount committee in the 2000 election aftermath. Some published reports have given him credit for Clinton's "100,000 cops" proposal during the 1992 campaign; at a minimum, he worked closely with Clinton aide Bruce Reed in formulating it. In the White House, he was Associate Counsel to the President, directing judicial selection efforts, and led the team that won confirmation of Supreme Court Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...
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They explain why they use a sample of ten. It corrects any statistical imbalances that can skew the data. It's right there.
This is from a PDF you can download from the same site.
Given the findings from this research, BJS will enumerate
series victimizations using the victim’s estimates of the
number of times the victimizations occurred over the past 6
months, capping the number of victimizations within each
series at a maximum of 10. This strategy for counting series
victimizations balances the desire to estimate national rates
and account for the experiences of persons with repeated
victimizations while noting that some estimation errors exist
in the number of times these victimizations occurred.
And lime i said in the previous post, you dont understand the basics of what they are talking about.
They are not talking about case studies there. They are talking about "series victims". People who have been the victim of the same perpetrator multiple times. You keep posting something that doesnt say what you want it to say. You dont know how to interpret data.
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Watchdog: Obama to bring non-American Ebola victims to U.S. for treatment
Washington Examiner ^ | 10/17/2014 | Paul Bedard
Posted on 10/17/2014 4:31:02 PM by Rusty0604
While the bipartisan voice grows to ban Ebola victims from entering the United States, a new report claims that President Obama is considering a plan to bring the world’s Ebola patients to the United States to be treated.
Judicial Watch, the conservative public watchdog group, says in a shocking report that the president is “actively formulating plans” to admit Ebola-infected non-citizens just to be treated.
“Specifically, the goal of the administration is to bring Ebola patients into the United States for treatment within the first days of diagnosis,” said the group.
Judicial Watch, which probes federal spending and uses federal and administration sources to root out corruption, said it is unclear who would pay for transporting and treating non-Americans.
But they have details nobody else has. “The plans include special waivers of laws and regulations that ban the admission of non-citizens with a communicable disease as dangerous as Ebola.”
The organization added, “the Obama administration is keeping this plan secret from Congress. The source is concerned that the proposal is illegal; endangers the public health and welfare; and should require the approval of Congress.”
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
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Watchdog: Obama to bring non-American Ebola victims to U.S. for treatment
Washington Examiner ^ | 10/17/2014 | Paul Bedard
Posted on 10/17/2014 4:31:02 PM by Rusty0604
While the bipartisan voice grows to ban Ebola victims from entering the United States, a new report claims that President Obama is considering a plan to bring the world’s Ebola patients to the United States to be treated.
Judicial Watch, the conservative public watchdog group, says in a shocking report that the president is “actively formulating plans” to admit Ebola-infected non-citizens just to be treated.
“Specifically, the goal of the administration is to bring Ebola patients into the United States for treatment within the first days of diagnosis,” said the group.
Judicial Watch, which probes federal spending and uses federal and administration sources to root out corruption, said it is unclear who would pay for transporting and treating non-Americans.
But they have details nobody else has. “The plans include special waivers of laws and regulations that ban the admission of non-citizens with a communicable disease as dangerous as Ebola.”
The organization added, “the Obama administration is keeping this plan secret from Congress. The source is concerned that the proposal is illegal; endangers the public health and welfare; and should require the approval of Congress.”
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
Good grief. I guess this is consistent with bringing terrorists here from Guantanamo for trial and opening the borders to illegal aliens.
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Good grief. I guess this is consistent with bringing terrorists here from Guantanamo for trial and opening the borders to illegal aliens.
At this point does it not look like Obama is trying to destroy the United States and kill us all?
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They explain why they use a sample of ten. It corrects any statistical imbalances that can skew the data. It's right there.
Even if you didn't understand what the report was you were posting, you should have realized that A) in the very blurb you posted it acknowledged that it was not an accurate estimate and B) it had NOTHING to do with your point. You just saw the number 10 and ran with it. You do that all the time: see something that looks "official" and then you run with it, not taking any time to try to understand what it means. If you had read just four more paragraphs, you would have seen this in the report you posted:
In cases where the CV is greater than 50%, or the unweighted sample had 10 or fewer cases, the estimate is noted with a “!” symbol (Interpret data with caution. Estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases, or the coefficient of variation is greater than 50%).
In other words, data based on fewer than 10 case studies is HIGHLY UNRELIABLE. In their own words. From your own link.
If you need me to explain further, I can do so. Line by line if necessary.
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At this point does it not look like Obama is trying to destroy the United States and kill us all?
That report is highly dubious. It needs to be taken with a huge tub of salt. No named sources, no timelines, no one else reporting, etc. On its face, the plan is logistically unsound. Unless it's something like treating Mexicans or people who live in the Caribbean, it makes no sense to transport the afflicted to America. It would be faster, cheaper, easier to just try to get aid worker to ebola hotspots. This sounds like crap.
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That report is highly dubious. It needs to be taken with a huge tub of salt. No named sources, no timelines, no one else reporting, etc. On its face, the plan is logistically unsound. Unless it's something like treating Mexicans or people who live in the Caribbean, it makes no sense to transport the afflicted to America. It would be faster, cheaper, easier to just try to get aid worker to ebola hotspots. This sounds like crap.
It could be that Obama wants to bring the newly infected here for research...into creating super-lethal bio-warfare disease vectors...to unleash on red states before the next presidential election...at Hillary's urging, of course.
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At this point does it not look like Obama is trying to destroy the United States and kill us all?
Well Soul Crusher has been saying that for years. lol
I wouldn't go that far, but the level of incompetence and dishonesty from this administration is staggering.
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Well Soul Crusher has been saying that for years. lol
I wouldn't go that far, but the level of incompetence and dishonesty from this administration is staggering.
The dude is in over his head. He's all about college classroom intellectualism and theoretical concepts.
Real world problems are obviously not his thing.
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The dude is in over his head. He's all about college classroom intellectualism and theoretical concepts.
Real world problems are obviously not his thing.
thats because it directly conflicts with college classroom theory.
Real world issues fly in the face of classroom idealism. Its been shown over and over again throughout history.
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This is from the Weekly Standard. I'm admitting this upfront because there will be individuals who will rush to dismiss the information because of the source. This is what I've been saying for some time.
Frieden’s entire argument is so strange—and so at odds with what other epidemiologists prescribe—that it can only be explained by one of two causes: catastrophic incompetence or a prior ideological commitment. The latter, in this case, might well be the larger issue of immigration.
Ebola has the potential to reshuffle American attitudes to immigration. If you agree to seal the borders to mitigate the risks from Ebola, you’re implicitly rejecting the “open borders” mindset and admitting that there are cases in which government has a duty to protect citizens from outsiders. Some people on the left admit to seeing this as the thin end of the wedge. Writing in the New Yorker, Michael Specter lamented, “Several politicians, like Governor Bobby Jindal, of Louisiana, have turned the epidemic into fodder for their campaign to halt immigration.” And that sort of thing just can’t be allowed.
What would happen in the event of an Ebola outbreak in Latin America? Then America would have to worry about masses of uninfected immigrants surging across the border — not to mention carriers of the virus. And if we had decided it was okay to cut off flights from West Africa, would we decide it was okay to try to seal the Southern border too? You can see how the entire immigration project might start to come apart. [Six Reasons to Panic, Jonathan V. Last, October 27 (Print Edition) ,2014]
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/six-reasons-panic_816387.html
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can any Obama lover please explain all these recent actions?? do democrats and POTUS lovers alike really agree with these Ebola policies??
just curious to hear the other side here.... ??? ??? ???
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A whole lot of repubs that got on the "act of love" side of hispandering last year, are probably wishing they'd held off now.
Hopefully this gives Ted Cruz a huge push for his 2016 chances. We can paint Rand, Rubio, Perry, Christie and Jeb with that same "open borders/amnesty" brush that we assign to obama and liberals now. Only TED CRUZ stood steady against amnesty.
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can any Obama lover please explain all these recent actions?? do democrats and POTUS lovers alike really agree with these Ebola policies??
just curious to hear the other side here.... ??? ??? ???
Which ones are confusing you? The report posted above about bringing infected patients into America is obviously just low level trolling.
Choice of ebola czar? The main point of contention repubs seem to be throwing out is that is that he doesn't have a medical background. Historically, most czars don't have field specific experience. It's probably more important that the ebola czar have the ability to coordinate with multiple agencies, especially considering organizational structure and solid protocols have been the main problems officials have had in dealing with this problem.
Here is a list of administration czars. Click on the bios, specifically in the health fields and you will notice that most don't have field specific experience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars#By_administration
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This is from the Weekly Standard. I'm admitting this upfront because there will be individuals who will rush to dismiss the information because of the source. This is what I've been saying for some time.
It would be easier to dismiss because of the Getbigger posting it. But it's great to see that you are big enough to "admit upfront" where you've sourced an article from. ::)
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It would be easier to dismiss because of the Getbigger posting it. But it's great to see that you are big enough to "admit upfront" where you've sourced an article from. ::)
Don't be sassy and make this personal.
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Don't be sassy and make this personal.
LOL... you spent how many posts in this thread trying to get at another poster for not being "data driven"? Only making sure you realize how delusional that makes you.
I guess you can take it personally, since you, personally, lack the ability to figure out what you are reading, but that's not my problem.
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LOL... you spent how many posts in this thread trying to get at another poster for not being "data driven"? Only making sure you realize how delusional you that makes you.
I guess you can take it personally, since you, personally, lack the ability to figure out what you are reading, but that's not my problem.
The data explained itself. You just don't want to believe it. I showed you exact methodology used by the NCVS and explained why 10 cases are used. There isn't much more I can do for you at this point. The NCVS knows what they are doing and I trust their conclusions more than I ever would yours. Im at a loss why people like you won't acknowledge the dysfunction in your community.
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The data explained itself. You just don't want to believe it. I showed you exact methodology used by the NCVS and explained why 10 cases are used. There isn't much more I can do for you at this point. The NCVS knows what they are doing and I trust their conclusions more than I ever would yours. Im at a loss why people like you won't acknowledge the dysfunction in your community.
Good... you and I are both here at the same time so I will take you through that blurb step-by-step to explain to you what it means.
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Good... you and I are both here at the same time so I will take you through that blurb step-by-step to explain to you what it means.
I already told you what it means. You just can't handle the fact that you come from a violent group. Are you going to provide more information from a black supremacist site?
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The first thing I'll post is this:
BJS also calculates a coefficient of variation (CV) for all estimates, representing the ratio of the standard error to the estimate. CVs provide a measure of reliability and a means to compare the precision of estimates across measures with differing levels or metrics. In cases where the CV is greater than 50%, or the unweighted sample had 10 or fewer cases, the estimate is noted with a “!” symbol (Interpret data with caution. Estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases, or the coefficient of variation is greater than 50%).
So, this is actually all most people would need to understand what that report said.
CV=standard error of the estimates
"In cases where the CV is greater than 50%, or the unweighted sample had 10 or fewer cases, the estimate is noted with a “!” symbol "
So what they are saying here is that when the sample consists of fewer than 10 cases, the CV is high. It could be greater than 50%.
Then just to make sure theré's no confusion, they posted this:
"Interpret data with caution. Estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases,"
That is everything you need to know right there. I'll continue with the other paragraph, but what about this confuses you?
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I already told you what it means. You just can't handle the fact that you come from a violent group. Are you going to provide more information from a black supremacist site?
This is taken right out of the report you posted. Please let me know what parts from the above post you don't understand.
What do you think it meant when they wrote "Please interpret data with caution. Based on 10 or fewer sample cases"?
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This is taken right out of the report you posted. Please let me know what parts from the above post you don't understand.
What do you think it meant when they wrote "Please interpret data with caution. Based on 10 or fewer sample cases"?
Why do they use 10 few sample cases? To fix balancing errors.
The weight counts series incidents as the actual number of incidents reported by the victim, up to a maximum of 10 incidents. Including series victimizations in national rates results in rather large increases in the level of violent victimization; however, trends in violence are generally similar regardless of whether series victimizations are included.
In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates. Additional information on the series enumeration is detailed in the report Methods for Counting High Frequency Repeat Victimizations in the National Crime Victimization Survey, NCJ 237308, BJS web, April 2012.
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Ok, now let's deal with the part where you seem to be having the most confusion. What they are talking ab out in the blurb that you don't understand is "series victimization". They even define it for you:
high-frequency repeat victimizations (or series victimizations). Series victimizations are similar in type but occur with such frequency that a victim is unable to recall each individual event or describe each event in detail.
Ok. So, now we know that "series victims"= people who are repeated victims of similar crimes. Keeping that in mind, the following passage that you didn't seem to understand should now make sense to you:
The weight counts series incidents as the actual number of incidents reported by the victim, up to a maximum of 10 incidents.
So, what that means is that the report counts up to 10 incidents in a series, even if there are more.
Let me know what about this you don't understand? I can be even clearer if necessary.
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Ok, now let's deal with the part where you seem to be having the most confusion. What they are talking ab out in the blurb that you don't understand is "series victimization". They even define it for you:
Ok. So, that is the paragraph right before the one you keep posting and interpreting incorrectly. It is about series victim= people who are repeated victims of similar crimes. Keeping that in mind, the following passage that you didn't seem to understand should now make sense to you:
So what that means is that the report counts up to 10 incidents in a series, even if there are more.
Let me kn ow what about this you don't understand? I can be even clearer if necessary.
They are just acknowledging the sample size is small, that's all. I actually acknowledged this in another post. The sample sizes could be bigger. Despite the small sample size the RCVS is pretty certain they are right.What they aren't saying is that here is a 50% change they are wrong. Using a small sample size actually is necessary to balance the statistics and prevent them being to high or to low in either direction. If they used straight incident reports the numbers would actually be higher when outliers and repeated incidents are calculated in the totals thus causing an imbalance in the data.
Are you saying this information is completely useless?
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Despite the small sample size the RCVS is pretty certain they are right.What they aren't saying is that here is a 50% change they are wrong.
They literally are saying that. They literally say that because the sample size is so small, the standard error of the estimates is extremely high. LIterally.
Using a small sample size actually is necessary to balance the statistics and prevent them being to high or to low in either direction.
No, it isn't because they use much larger sample sizes throughout the rest of the report.
Right in the link you provided it shows that the survey included over 150,000 people.
Are you saying this information is completely useless?
When it comes to a sample size of less than 10, even they are saying that!
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They literally are saying that. They literally say that because the sample size is so small, the standard of the estimates is extremely high. LIterally.
No, it isn't because they use much larger sample sizes throughout the rest of the report.
Right in the link you provided it shows that the survey included over 150,000 people.
When it comes to a sample size of less than 10, even they are saying that!
They don't use a larger sample throughout the rest of the report. The report questioned a total of more than 10(150,000 or more) but uses ten as the sample size to correct statistical imbalances. Get it straight, the 10 are a random sampling of the larger pool of individuals surveyed. For example, they take a survey of 150,000 people who reported sexual abuse. Of that 150,000 10 are taken from the group and percentages are calculated from that 10.
Being a random sampling of a much larger number, the Coefficient of Variation will naturally be higher. The variation may change depending on which 10 individuals you chose out of, say 150,000. They admit this but also say that they are still confident the numbers are right because they employ equations to account for that.
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They don't use a larger sample throughout the rest of the report. The report questioned a total of more than 10(150,000 or more).
Of that 150,000 10 are taken from the group and percentages are calculated from that 10.
They admit this but also say that they are still confident the numbers are right because they employ equations to account for that.
LOL...This doesn't even make sense. Why would they interview 150,000 people to get a sample size of 10??
Methodology says nothing about using a sample of 10. Just that certain categories contain fewer than 10 and aren't reliable.
And, no the BJS is not confident their numbers are right. Also from your link:
To restore the quality of the NCVS data, BJS and the U.S. Census Bureau implemented two large-scale interventions. First, the number of sample cases was increased to improve the stability and precision of national and subgroup estimates of victimization.
So, to improve the accuracy, they increased the number of sample cases. ::) There is a description about how they are constantly tweaking and trying to improve what they admit is imperfect methodology and data.
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They don't use a larger sample throughout the rest of the report. The report questioned a total of more than 10(150,000 or more) but uses ten as the sample size to correct statistical imbalances.
Please post the exact sentence that makes you think the sample size is corrected for statistical imbalances down to 10. Not a wall of text, but the sentence (or maybe 2) that makes you think that.
I can see how an entire paragraph might go over your head, but if you break it down none of what you are claiming is in that report. I'm seriously wondering how you can misunderstand this so much.
BTW, the the whole report is here (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf). You can
clearly see that the majority of categories include sample sizes in the hundreds or thousands.
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thats because it directly conflicts with college classroom theory.
Real world issues fly in the face of classroom idealism. Its been shown over and over again throughout history.
Try convincing a liberal of that. ;D
They'll tell you, "our ideas work, we just had the wrong people implementing them". "Pay no attention to the countless real world examples over the many decades". "Ignore the dictators, the rampant poverty and the millions of dead bodies, we care about people".
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LOL...This doesn't even make sense. Why would they interview 150,000 people to get a sample size of 10??
Methodology says nothing about using a sample of 10. Just that certain categories contain fewer than 10 and aren't reliable.
And, no the BJS is not confident their numbers are right. Also from your link:
So, to improve the accuracy, they increased the number of sample cases. ::) There is a description about how they are constantly tweaking and trying to improve what they admit is imperfect methodology and data.
Ive already posted the reason a sample size of ten is used from information about their methodology directly from their website several times. They use a sample size of ten to fix balance issues. Its several postsup. They provide an entire pdf abour their methodology you can dowload. TheFBI also discusses on thier website about the differences between methodology they employ versus the rcvs.
They conduct a large number of interviews in intervals of time period of time like three months to six months to a year. To avoid inflating the numbers they take ten from the pool and calculate the percentages that way. They warn readers about that not because they feel their conclusion are wrong but to be transparent. A 50% correlative coefficient doeent mean there is a 50% chance the stats are wrong.
The reason some dont use the 10 sample size has to do with the nature of the statistic. In those cases there isnt a need to correct balancing issues. For example car theft versus sex abuse. The chance the same car will be stolen repeatedly isnt as likeky as one person experiencing multiple instances of sexual abuse. The methodology they use is intended to prevent multiple instances of abuse on a single individual being calculated as seperate events thus screwing up the data.
The weight counts series incidents as the actual number of incidents reported by the victim, up to a maximum of 10 incidents. Including series victimizations in national rates results in rather large increases in the level of violent victimization; however, trends in violence are generally similar regardless of whether series victimizations are included.
In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates. Additional information on the series enumeration is detailed in the report Methods for Counting High Frequency Repeat Victimizations in the National Crime Victimization Survey, NCJ 237308, BJS web, April 2012.
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There is an excellent article in this month's issue of Vanity Fair regarding ground zero in for the current Ebola outbreak. I highly recommend anyone interested in how this disease has spread so rapidly, read it.
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The reason some dont use the 10 sample size has to do with the nature of the statistic. In those cases there isnt a need to correct balancing issues. For example car theft versus sex abuse. The chance the same car will be stolen repeatedly isnt as likeky as one person experiencing multiple instances of sexual abuse.
So, this is a screenshot from the study. The entire thing is here (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf). You will notice that beneath the table is an asterisk that notes "estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases". You will note that that asterisk is only used six times in the table. None near sexual assault crimes. Obviously what you posted is nonsense.
The study is based on more than 150,000 respondents, not 10.
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They conduct a large number of interviews in intervals of time period of time like three months to six months to a year. To avoid inflating the numbers they take ten from the pool and calculate the percentages that way.
Nowhere on the site do they say anything like this, nor does it make sense. No study would ever conduct interviews with 150,000 people, whittle those interviews down to 10 -to get more "accurate" results. ::) Right in the link you posted it says they've INCREASED the sample size over the years to get more accurate results.
Here is another table from the study. We see that the asterisk is used more more than on the earlier chart. However, the asterisk is never next to a number in the "total" column. Obviously, the total number of cases is more than 10. The asterisk shows up when the category is subdivided. So, the overall sample size is more than 10, but ~when the categories are broken down, the numbers in some of the samples drop below 10.
Once again, it is clear that what you are saying about limiting the pool to 10 is wrong.
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They warn readers about that not because they feel their conclusion are wrong but to be transparent. A 50% correlative coefficient doeent mean there is a 50% chance the stats are wrong.
The term is "coefficient of variation" and that's exactly what it means. They define the CV as the measure of standard error in a section titled "Computing Standard Error"!
You've said this twice now, so if a high CV doesn't mean a higher probability of error, what does it mean? Seriously, if it's not to calculate error, what does that number mean?
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Alright, enough, Al and Archer, please stop your buckering about interpreting statistics. Its a no win scenario and its dominated the last 3 pages, that may as well rename this 'Al and Archers statistics pissing match'.
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Alright, enough, Al and Archer, please stop your buckering about interpreting statistics. Its a no win scenario and its dominated the last 3 pages, that may as well rename this 'Al and Archers statistics pissing match'.
Newsflash: Not only can you ignore this thread if you don't like the content, but you can open any other thread you like. Interestingly enough almost all of them contain bickering. ::)
And is it really a no-win situation? Do you honestly believe that there's any survey that interviews 150,000 people then only counts 10 of those people in the name of accuracy? Do you honestly believe that a survey of 10 people provides an accurate assessment of ANYTHING nationally?
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Newsflash: Not only can you ignore this thread if you don't like the content, but you can open any other thread you like. Interestingly enough almost all of them contain bickering. ::)
And is it really a no-win situation? Do you honestly believe that there's any survey that interviews 150,000 people then only counts 10 of those people in the name of accuracy? Do you honestly believe that a survey of 10 people provides an accurate assessment of ANYTHING nationally?
You're absolutely wrong. Limiting incidents sample to ten (incidents per person) is done to avoid skewing the results.
In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates.
It's that simple. They aren't admitting to being fifty percent wrong. What they are saying is the data isn't intended to be interpreted outside of the conclusions made by the RCVS. Something like frequency of incidents can't be defined accurately by t
he statistics they've calculated. It's a warning to people not to use the data to make conclusions other than those made by RCVS.
Let me rephrase it, deeba dooba deeba. Zippity doo daa.
In probability theory and statistics, the coefficient of variation (CV) is a normalized measure of dispersion of a probability distribution or frequency distribution. It is defined as the ratio of the standard deviation to the mean .
The coefficient of variation is useful because the standard deviation of data must always be understood in the context of the mean of the data. In contrast, the actual value of the CV is independent of the unit in which the measurement has been taken, so it is a dimensionless number. For comparison between data sets with different units or widely different means, one should use the coefficient of variation instead of the standard deviation.
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Newsflash: Not only can you ignore this thread if you don't like the content, but you can open any other thread you like. Interestingly enough almost all of them contain bickering. ::)
And is it really a no-win situation? Do you honestly believe that there's any survey that interviews 150,000 people then only counts 10 of those people in the name of accuracy? Do you honestly believe that a survey of 10 people provides an accurate assessment of ANYTHING nationally?
guess what fuckhead, i liked the content of this thread before you decided to fuck it up turning it into your personal pissing match. Thats shits fine on the G&O.
Its no win because youre both interpreting the data in different ways and you both absolutley believe youre interpreting it in the correct way; therefore this will never end. If youre too fucking dense to see that theres no hope for you.
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In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates.
So , you keep reposting this bit. What does "series incident" mean?
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guess what fuckhead, i liked the content of this thread before you decided to fuck it up turning it into your personal pissing match. Thats shits fine on the G&O.
It's fine on any board. It happens here all the time. If you don't like the content, ignore the thread.
Its no win because youre both interpreting the data in different ways and you both absolutley believe youre interpreting it in the correct way; therefore this will never end. If youre too fucking dense to see that theres no hope for you.
Archer doesn't believe he's interpreting the data correctly. No one on earth believes that you would interview 150,000 people to get a sample size of 10. He doesn't and neither do you. The concept doesn't even make sense and the blurb he keeps posting says nothing about limiting the sample size. The actual screenshots of the study show that the sample size is not limited.
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In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates.
Seriously, Archer, you keep posting this quote and it clearly says it's in reference to ""series incidents". I posted earlier what "series incidents" means. What do you think it means?
Why do the screenshots of the study show that the respondents exceed 10?
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So , you keep reposting this bit. What does "series incident" mean?
I already posted that. This is all you need to know to understand what the ten sampling size is and why it is used. Whats so hard about understanding this? I didn't make it up. This is from their website. I think you're playing dumb on purpose to derail the thread. It's not ten people you moron.
In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates.
Victimization weights used in analysis of NCVS data account for the number of persons present during an incident and for high-frequency repeat victimizations (or series victimizations). Series victimizations are similar in type but occur with such frequency that a victim is unable to recall each individual event or describe each event in detail. Survey procedures allow NCVS interviewers to identify and classify these similar victimizations as series victimizations and to collect detailed information on only the most recent incident in the series.
The weight counts series incidents as the actual number of incidents reported by the victim, up to a maximum of 10 incidents. Including series victimizations in national rates results in rather large increases in the level of violent victimization; however, trends in violence are generally similar regardless of whether series victimizations are included.
The warning is to tell the reader that the series incidents might be greater than 10.
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In 2012, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations.
The weight counts series incidents as the actual number of incidents reported by the victim, up to a maximum of 10 incidents. Including series victimizations in national rates results in rather large increases in the level of violent victimization; however, trends in violence are generally similar regardless of whether series victimizations are included.
The warning is to tell the reader that the series incidents might be greater than 10.
::) Fine. You know what series incidents are. This whole discussion stems from you posting info from this study and claiming that certain black-on-white crime was at epidemic levels while white-on-black crime in those categories was statistically zero. When I pointed out that these stats were derived from fewer than 10 cases, you claimed that didn't make a difference. Right in the link you provided, it says categories with fewer than 10 case studies are unreliable. It literally says that. It's simply common sense. More case studies makes a survey more reliable.
None of this has anything to do with series incident. You keep posting that blurb, but it is completely irrelevant. Limiting the number of series incidents to 10 has nothing to do with the reliability of 10 or fewer case studies.
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Posted on October 19, 2014 at 1:53:02 PM EDT by Nachum
President Barack Obama convened a surprise meeting Saturday night on Ebola. The White House meeting of top officials and advisors took place after Obama played golf in the afternoon at Ft. Belvoir, Virginia with ESPN host Tony Kornheiser.
The urgent Ebola meeting came as Obama chided Americans in his weekly Saturday address for being concerned over three cases of Ebola when thousands are killed by the flu every year.
In a ‘who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes’ moment, Obama told the nation there is not an Ebola outbreak in Dallas, but that there may be more “isolated cases.”
“First, what we’re seeing now is not an “outbreak” or an “epidemic” of Ebola in America. We’re a nation of more than 300 million people. To date, we’ve seen three cases of Ebola diagnosed here-the man who contracted the disease in Liberia, came here and sadly died; the two courageous nurses who were infected while they were treating him. Our thoughts and our prayers are with them, and we’re doing everything we can to give them the best care possible. Now, even one infection is too many. At the same time, we have to keep this in perspective. As our public health experts point out, every year thousands of Americans die from the flu.”
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
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They don't use a larger sample throughout the rest of the report. The report questioned a total of more than 10(150,000 or more) but uses ten as the sample size to correct statistical imbalances. Get it straight, the 10 are a random sampling of the larger pool of individuals surveyed. For example, they take a survey of 150,000 people who reported sexual abuse. Of that 150,000 10 are taken from the group and percentages are calculated from that 10.
Why do you keep changing your points? This clearly says that you think 10 people out of 150000 are used as stats. This is not only wrong, but has nothing to do with series incidents. You don't know how to interpret data and you just started pulling random shit out of a hat.
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Why do you keep changing your points? This clearly says that you think 10 people out of 150000 are used as stats. This is not only wrong, but has nothing to do with series incidents. You don't know how to interpret data and you just started pulling random shit out of a hat.
Facepalm
What you call random is right from their website and the pdf on their methodology right from their website.
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Facepalm
What you call random is right from their website and the pdf on their methodology right from their website.
The website says nothing about paring down the 150,000 respondents to 10. The blurb that you keep posting is specifically for series incidents. Right in the blurb it says that they account for 4% or all incidents. The 150,000 is a sample. They don't turn it into a smaller sample. ::)
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Well...............
all of this means nothing if nobody can tell me this answer!!
What is the anti-derivative of 3x +7 ?
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Well...............
all of this means nothing if nobody can tell me this answer!!
What is the anti-derivative of 3x +7 ?
It's really not even that complicated.There are big words, but it's a study so it had to be written acedemically. It really just comes down to this:
" series incidents" just means someone who was the victim of a repeated crime, like a wife being beaten by her husband several times within a year. If there were 12 beatings, the study caps it at 10. These types of crimes account for less than 4% of the incidents in the study. That's all that means.
There were 150000 people randomly surveyed in the crime study and when the survey was broken down by race, age, sex, etc, many categories had 10 case studies or fewer. In those cases, the authors of the study warn that those number aren't really reliable.
That's it. It's no more complicated than that.
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Fucking hell, no one cares.
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Fucking hell, no one cares.
Maybe someone is forcing you to click on this thread? :-\ I hope you find a way to work that out.
On another note, the issue is not that I so desparately need to be right. The issue is that Archer77 is someone who claims to be data driven and every single time I have seen him reference a study there has been a huge flaw in how he analyzed the data. The fact that he spent multiple post goading another poster about something he's guilty of is what this is about. I've never had to use statistics in a false light to make a point.
You, yourself know that it's not a matter of interpretation. No study would ever be conducted in the way he's claiming. You would never be able to make any kind of national estimates based on interviews with 10 people. He keeps reposting the same 3 paragraphs over and over, but the reason he refuses to actually explain those paragraphs is because he knows they don't have anything to do with what he's supposed to be talking about. I explained those paragraphs line by line and he still hasn't told me how my explanation was wrong. 8)
If you don't care, that's fine. Everything's not about you.
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Maybe someone is forcing you to click on this thread? :-\ I hope you find a way to work that out.
On another note, the issue is not that I so desparately need to be right. The issue is that Archer77 is someone who claims to be data driven and every single time I have seen him reference a study there has been a huge flaw in how he analyzed the data. The fact that he spent multiple post goading another poster about something he's guilty of is what this is about. I've never had to use statistics in a false light to make a point.
You, yourself know that it's not a matter of interpretation. No study would ever be conducted in the way he's claiming. You would never be able to make any kind of national estimates based on interviews with 10 people. He keeps reposting the same 3 paragraphs over and over, but the reason he refuses to actually explain those paragraphs is because he knows they don't have anything to do with what he's supposed to be talking about. I explained those paragraphs line by line and he still hasn't told me how my explanation was wrong. 8)
If you don't care, that's fine. Everything's not about you.
The content of this thread is about ebola. Not a about your incessent need to prove to Archer that hes wrong.
A couple posts, fine, whatever. But you guys have sucked up pages of space arguing about stuff that no one else cares about, forcing us to wade through the BS to actually find info on the issue that the thread was actually started about.
Hell, if it started a meaningful argument that people were interested in, fine. But its not. Its just you two. Over and over.
Christ, make your own thread already, so you two can argue in peace without hijacking a legitimate thread for your bitch fest.
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The content of this thread is about ebola. Not a about your incessent need to prove to Archer that hes wrong.
A couple posts, fine, whatever. But you guys have sucked up pages of space arguing about stuff that no one else cares about, forcing us to wade through the BS to actually find info on the issue that the thread was actually started about.
Hell, if it started a meaningful argument that people were interested in, fine. But its not. Its just you two. Over and over.
Christ, make your own thread already, so you two can argue in peace without hijacking a legitimate thread for your bitch fest.
You want to argue about ebola? how about it's not all that infective, come at me.
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Given the pressure to act and apparent urgency to calm the public over the Ebola pandemic, it is likely no surprise to hear that President Obama decided to play a quick round of golf (for 5 hours) Saturday morning before arranging a late evening meeting convening "members of his national security and public health teams to update him on the response to the domestic Ebola cases," according to The Daily News. "The meeting concluded with a discussion of broader steps to increase the preparedness of our health sector nationwide," which one would imagine the newly appointed Ebola Czar would be directing - think again!
The full list of everyone who attended, according to the White House, is:
The Vice President
Chuck Hagel, Secretary of Defense
Sylvia Burwell, Secretary of Health and Human Services
Jeh Johnson, Secretary of Homeland Security
Denis McDonough, Chief of Staff
Shaun Donovan, Director of the Office of Management and Budget
Susan Rice, National Security Advisor
Neil Eggleston, Counselor to the President
Antony Blinken, Deputy National Security Advisor
Lisa Monaco, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism
Thomas Frieden, Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Katie Beirne Fallon, Director of the Office of Legislative Affairs
Benjamin Rhodes, Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications and Speechwriting
Jennifer Palmieri, Director of Communications
Anita Decker Breckenridge, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations
Suzanne George, Executive Secretary and Chief of Staff of the National Security Council
Rand Beers, Deputy Assistant to the President for Homeland Security
Brian Egan, Deputy Counsel to the President
Colin Kahl, National Security Advisor to the Vice President
Ron Klain, who was appointed Ebola Czar on Friday by Obama, is not on this list... and this is the second meeting in as many days that the man in charge of 'implementing a solution'.
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The content of this thread is about ebola. Not a about your incessent need to prove to Archer that hes wrong.
A couple posts, fine, whatever. But you guys have sucked up pages of space arguing about stuff that no one else cares about, forcing us to wade through the BS to actually find info on the issue that the thread was actually started about.
Hell, if it started a meaningful argument that people were interested in, fine. But its not. Its just you two. Over and over.
Christ, make your own thread already, so you two can argue in peace without hijacking a legitimate thread for your bitch fest.
Naw. Threads go off-topic, conversations die down, even if they take a few pages. It was the weekend, so it went on maybe longer than it would have on a weekday. I pointed out how Archer doesn't know shit about "facts"... and he responded by proving he doesn't know shit about facts... in a thread in which he spent multiple posts trashing another member for exactly that! :o So, of course I drove it home. Did I think it was going to embarrass him off the board or keep him from posting wrong shit in the future? Nope. This has happened before and pretty much no one cares if they are not involved in the conversation. He'll just continue posting, everything he posts will be inaccurate- like it's always been- and if it's a thread that interests me, I'll point it out. I just thought it was hilarious and wanted to see how many times he would change his story or pretend he didn't understand what I'd written in an effort to save face. Because he's so "data driven" ;)
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Given the pressure to act and apparent urgency to calm the public over the Ebola pandemic, it is likely no surprise to hear that President Obama decided to play a quick round of golf (for 5 hours) Saturday morning before arranging a late evening meeting convening "members of his national security and public health teams to update him on the response to the domestic Ebola cases," according to The Daily News. "The meeting concluded with a discussion of broader steps to increase the preparedness of our health sector nationwide," which one would imagine the newly appointed Ebola Czar would be directing - think again!
The full list of everyone who attended, according to the White House, is:
The Vice President
Chuck Hagel, Secretary of Defense
Sylvia Burwell, Secretary of Health and Human Services
Jeh Johnson, Secretary of Homeland Security
Denis McDonough, Chief of Staff
Shaun Donovan, Director of the Office of Management and Budget
Susan Rice, National Security Advisor
Neil Eggleston, Counselor to the President
Antony Blinken, Deputy National Security Advisor
Lisa Monaco, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism
Thomas Frieden, Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Katie Beirne Fallon, Director of the Office of Legislative Affairs
Benjamin Rhodes, Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications and Speechwriting
Jennifer Palmieri, Director of Communications
Anita Decker Breckenridge, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations
Suzanne George, Executive Secretary and Chief of Staff of the National Security Council
Rand Beers, Deputy Assistant to the President for Homeland Security
Brian Egan, Deputy Counsel to the President
Colin Kahl, National Security Advisor to the Vice President
Ron Klain, who was appointed Ebola Czar on Friday by Obama, is not on this list... and this is the second meeting in as many days that the man in charge of 'implementing a solution'.
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This literally made me laugh out loud. I kind of love that he did this.
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This literally made me laugh out loud. I kind of love that he did this.
The Golf for 5 hours? ;)
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The Golf for 5 hours? ;)
With people dropping like flies he should be focused on Ebola.
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Whats the death toll of this International Pandemic Outbreak in the US?
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With people dropping like flies he should be focused on Ebola.
He should be focused on avoiding prison, avoiding a life of homelessness, post divorce from the Mobacca Yeti, life in the Kenyan village where he belongs in 2017, etc
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The Golf for 5 hours? ;)
The whole thing, actually. He hired an ebola czar that Republicans hate and then doesn't invite him to ebola meetings. :D
He's said it time and time again. The worry is not here, it's in West Africa. Our focus should be on international relief of ebola. Ebola is a worry and there will be more cases, but there are so many factors that would prevent it from becoming an epidemic here. The bigger worry is it raging out of control in West Africa indefinitely. Closing the borders is a completely laughable solution.
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Second Nurse To Contract Ebola Retains High-Profile Attorney
Ap via CBS ^ | 10/20/14
Posted on 10/20/2014 10:41:26 AM by Enlightened1
Amber Vinson, the second nurse in Dallas to contract the Ebola virus, has retained a high-profile attorney, her family said in a statement.
(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.cbslocal.com ...
here come the lawsuits
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Second Nurse To Contract Ebola Retains High-Profile Attorney
Ap via CBS ^ | 10/20/14
Posted on 10/20/2014 10:41:26 AM by Enlightened1
Amber Vinson, the second nurse in Dallas to contract the Ebola virus, has retained a high-profile attorney, her family said in a statement.
(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.cbslocal.com ...
here come the lawsuits
Why didn't you post more of the story. She claims the CDC lied about her being negligent. She says she expressed concern to officials about ebola over and over before flying to Ohio.
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Why didn't you post more of the story. She claims the CDC lied about her being negligent. She says she expressed concern to officials about ebola over and over before flying to Ohio.
I have no doubt the Obama CDC lied to us - they always do
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Second Nurse To Contract Ebola Retains High-Profile Attorney
Ap via CBS ^ | 10/20/14
Posted on 10/20/2014 10:41:26 AM by Enlightened1
Amber Vinson, the second nurse in Dallas to contract the Ebola virus, has retained a high-profile attorney, her family said in a statement.
(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.cbslocal.com ...
here come the lawsuits
Shit, I bet she's getting sued like crazy for putting her dumb ass on a plane with ebola. Two ohio elementary schools where my brother live were shut down for a week thanks to her selfish ass.
"I've been exposed to ebola, I know it, but I already bought plane tickets, so let's just endanger the lives of others..."
I bet everyone on that plane is considering suing her for it.
And I bet she is suing the hospital.
IMO, if the hospital did their job when the dead guy FIRST went there with symptoms, or trip #2 and 3, then maybe this isn't the mess it is. That hospital fcked up bigtime.
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Shit, I bet she's getting sued like crazy for putting her dumb ass on a plane with ebola. Two ohio elementary schools where my brother live were shut down for a week thanks to her selfish ass.
"I've been exposed to ebola, I know it, but I already bought plane tickets, so let's just endanger the lives of others..."
I bet everyone on that plane is considering suing her for it.
And I bet she is suing the hospital.
IMO, if the hospital did their job when the dead guy FIRST went there with symptoms, or trip #2 and 3, then maybe this isn't the mess it is. That hospital fcked up bigtime.
Not to mention if the CDC told her she was fine, and she wasnt... well... incompetence all around.
Of course, anyone who has ever worked for .gov shouldnt be surprised, after all, the US gov is a machine of i competence, waste, and inefficiency.
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Whats the death toll of this International Pandemic Outbreak in the US?
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That sounds pretty shortsighted. You cannot get a hangnail by sitting next to someone who has a hangnail. We're talking about a highly contagious disease with an astronomically high kill rate and no cure. And our government has been acting like a bunch of scatterbrains. Of course we should be worried about this. I certainly am.
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but bro, all in all, the reality doesnt match the hysteria.
and how this turned political is beyind me
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but bro, all in all, the reality doesnt match the hysteria.
and how this turned political is beyind me
I don't think there should be hysteria. I'm not hysterical. But genuine concern? Absolutely. This stuff is no joke.
It shouldn't be political, but given that the CDC, the president, and Congress are all involved in some way, then it's only natural that there will be political sniping and blaming. The most outrageous thing I've seen is this:
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Now in NYC. FNG great
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I don't think there should be hysteria. I'm not hysterical. But genuine concern? Absolutely. This stuff is no joke.
It shouldn't be political, but given that the CDC, the president, and Congress are all involved in some way, then it's only natural that there will be political sniping and blaming. The most outrageous thing I've seen is this:
I thought it was pretty good.
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Now in NYC. FNG great
Soooo were at 2? This epidemic moves fast
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Soooo were at 2? This epidemic moves fast
Pay attention to the predictions though, 1 then 2, 4, 8, 16, 100, 1000, 24567, 43586788765 everyone.
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Soooo were at 2? This epidemic moves fast
O-fagget told us it would never come to the USA remember?
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New York Throws 3 People Into Quarantine After Ebola Patient Travels All Over The City
BI - AP ^ | 10-24-2014 | Jonathan Lemire
Posted on 10/24/2014 7:50:08 AM by blam
Jonathan Lemire
October 24, 2014
NEW YORK (AP) — A doctor who became New York City's first Ebola patient was praised for getting treatment immediately upon showing symptoms, and health officials stressed that the nation's most populous city need not fear his wide-ranging travel in the days before his illness began.
Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo urged residents not to be alarmed by the doctor's diagnosis Thursday, even as they described him riding the subway, taking a cab and bowling since returning to New York from Guinea a week ago. De Blasio said all city officials followed "clear and strong" protocols in their handling and treatment of him.
"We want to state at the outset that New Yorkers have no reason to be alarmed," de Blasio said. "New Yorkers who have not been exposed are not at all at risk."
The doctor, Craig Spencer, a member of Doctors Without Borders, reported Thursday morning coming down with a 103-degree fever and diarrhea. He was being treated in an isolation ward at Manhattan's Bellevue Hospital, a designated Ebola center.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which will do a further test to confirm the initial results, has dispatched an Ebola response team to New York. President Barack Obama spoke to Cuomo and de Blasio Thursday night and offered the federal government's support. He asked them to stay in close touch with Ron Klain, his "Ebola czar," and public health officials in Washington.
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(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
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GOOD NEWS! CDC Says NYC Ebola Doctor Cleared Enhanced Airport Screening
The Gateway Pundit ^ | 10/23/14 | Kristinn Taylor
Posted on 10/24/2014 1:23:07 AM by Nachum
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention posted tweets tonight about the nation’s latest Ebola patient, New York City Doctor Craig Spencer.
The two tweets described Spencer as having successfully passed through the CDC’s ‘enhanced screening’ for travelers from Ebola hot zones.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
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O-fagget told us it would never come to the USA remember?
being totally serious... did he say those words.. and if so... link please
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Pay attention to the predictions though, 1 then 2, 4, 8, 16, 100, 1000, 24567, 43586788765 everyone.
wait wait.... if this doctor took a flight back, then got on the subway.....
um....i would figure that the outbreak scenario should be upon us at any moment now
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Option D.....how about these assholes who are actively treating patients get put in quarantine for 21 days before returning to the US. This asshole put lives in jeopardy. He past the TSA screening...the admin and its policies are a joke.
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Option D.....how about these assholes who are actively treating patients get put in quarantine for 21 days before returning to the US. This asshole put lives in jeopardy. He past the TSA screening...the admin and its policies are a joke.
sooo..this is another obama thing right?
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sooo..this is another obama thing right?
Yes moron - remember that the ghetto Kenyan druggie Obama refused to ban flights from West Africa?
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Yes moron - remember that the ghetto Kenyan druggie Obama refused to ban flights from West Africa?
you dont address me until you give me that quote where Obama says its never coming to the US
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wait wait.... if this doctor took a flight back, then got on the subway.....
um....i would figure that the outbreak scenario should be upon us at any moment now
Why are you trying to trivialize this?
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Why are you trying to trivialize this?
Because it makes his Messiahs' claims and Admn look disastrously incompetent as always.
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Why are you trying to trivialize this?
im a counterweight to the mass hysteria and political opportunism (just made that word up) of those that dont give a shit Lives, they want the current president to face another crisis. I beleive Shockwave is genuine in his concern. But fucktards like 333386 have been crying wolf and saying the sky is falling for damn near 6 years now. So i offer contradicting views (still based on real numbers) to people like him. If the world went around thinking like 333386... jesus help us (but im Atheist)
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Because it makes his Messiahs' claims and Admn look disastrously incompetent as always.
get that quote yet son?
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im a counterweight to the mass hysteria and political opportunism (just made that word up) of those that dont give a shit Lives, they want the current president to face another crisis. I beleive Shockwave is genuine in his concern. But fucktards like 333386 have been crying wolf and saying the sky is falling for damn near 6 years now. So i offer contradicting views (still based on real numbers) to people like him. If the world went around thinking like 333386... jesus help us (but im Atheist)
LOL - things are going great bro!
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sooo..this is another obama thing right?
HE IS THE FUCKING BOSS........the CDC is fucking this up.
Simple fix....if you are medical...in support of fighting Ebola abroad and return to the US you will be quarantined by the US government for 21 days. The US gov will pay a stipend for lost wages in conjunction with the 21 day quarantine. Failure to act in compliance with the above emergency regulation will result in compulsory quarantine and possible felony charges for endangering the population of the US.
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im a counterweight to the mass hysteria and political opportunism (just made that word up) of those that dont give a shit Lives, they want the current president to face another crisis. I beleive Shockwave is genuine in his concern. But fucktards like 333386 have been crying wolf and saying the sky is falling for damn near 6 years now. So i offer contradicting views (still based on real numbers) to people like him. If the world went around thinking like 333386... jesus help us (but im Atheist)
I get trying to offering a different viewpoint and all, but you are acting like this isn't a very serious health problem. Is that true or are you just trolling a bit?
This kind of thing doesn't concern you? "Around the globe, about 400 health care staff have contracted Ebola, and more than 230 have died."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2014/10/15/ebola-has-already-killed-more-than-200-doctors-nurses-and-other-healthcare-workers/
This thing is deadly.
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HE IS THE FUCKING BOSS........the CDC is fucking this up.
Simple fix....if you are medical...in support of fighting Ebola abroad and return to the US you will be quarantined by the US government for 21 days. The US gov will pay a stipend for lost wages in conjunction with the 21 day quarantine. Failure to act in compliance with the above emergency regulation will result in compulsory quarantine and possible felony charges for endangering the population of the US.
By him not doing your perscribed actions as it pertains to Ebola and flights back to the US for health professionals, do you think that there is a motive of malice on the presidents behalf? Its not exactly heavy lifting right. Couldnt he issue an emergency EO of some sort? So the question is why?
Now heres another serious question for you HH6. Since taking office, has the Obama Administration been responsible for anything positive in this country in your opinion?
This is a real question.
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I get trying to offering a different viewpoint and all, but you are acting like this isn't a very serious health problem. Is that true or are you just trolling a bit?
This kind of thing doesn't concern you? "Around the globe, about 400 health care staff have contracted Ebola, and more than 230 have died."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2014/10/15/ebola-has-already-killed-more-than-200-doctors-nurses-and-other-healthcare-workers/
This thing is deadly.
It is deadly in the right conditions. It is an epidemic in the right conditions. But in my honest opinion and by the numbers, those epic deaths just arent happening in the us, and the post apocalyptic era these dudes are trying so hard to usher in (based soely off a hatred of the kneegrow in office) just isnt happening. There are 7 billion people on earth and 230 healthcare staff have died. In the US, there are like 310 million people...2 have died...this isnt the epidemic thats being reported
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It is deadly in the right conditions. It is an epidemic in the right conditions. But in my honest opinion and by the numbers, those epic deaths just arent happening in the us, and the post apocalyptic era these dudes are trying so hard to usher in (based soely off a hatred of the kneegrow in office) just isnt happening. There are 7 billion people on earth and 230 healthcare staff have died. In the US, there are like 310 million people...2 have died...this isnt the epidemic thats being reported
my bad.. 1 has died
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It is deadly in the right conditions. It is an epidemic in the right conditions. But in my honest opinion and by the numbers, those epic deaths just arent happening in the us, and the post apocalyptic era these dudes are trying so hard to usher in (based soely off a hatred of the kneegrow in office) just isnt happening. There are 7 billion people on earth and 230 healthcare staff have died. In the US, there are like 310 million people...2 have died...this isnt the epidemic thats being reported
Correct - more thugs are killing each other on the streets of Chicago each weekend than thos Obola nonsense
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O-fagget told us it would never come to the USA remember?
Link to that exact quote?
Also, how many confirmed existing cases in USA?
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No......he is a failure of mass proportions that have been highlighted across many threads in the last week here. Obama is an idiot, he leads from behind. This Ebola thing is free chicken...close the borders to air traffic from Africa...empower the CDC to do everything they can. Lead....
Nope can't do it...can't keep stories straight, can't decide anything.
On race - failed
helping blacks - failed
helping the economy - failed
actively promoting energy independence - moderate fail
increasing welfare - success
destroying private healthcare - success
destroying coal industry - success
Iraq - fail
rebuilding military - fail
Afghanistan - fail
Middle East - fail
Iran - fail
NATO - fail
Russia - fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
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Link to that exact quote?
Also, how many confirmed existing cases in USA?
i asked him that
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No......he is a failure of mass proportions that have been highlighted across many threads in the last week here. Obama is an idiot, he leads from behind. This Ebola thing is free chicken...close the borders to air traffic from Africa...empower the CDC to do everything they can. Lead....
Nope can't do it...can't keep stories straight, can't decide anything.
On race - failed
helping blacks - failed
helping the economy - failed
actively promoting energy independence - moderate fail
increasing welfare - success
destroying private healthcare - success
destroying coal industry - success
Iraq - fail
rebuilding military - fail
Afghanistan - fail
Middle East - fail
Iran - fail
NATO - fail
Russia - fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
this is what i suspected...
you've confirmed my theory regarding your view of this case and President Obamas perceived culpability
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/10/23/now-there-can-be-no-doubt-obamacare-will-increase-non-group-premiums-in-nearly-all-states
Obamacare - FAIL
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obama sucks in a lot of ways, and I call for impeachment even tho some repubs will not...
but where he he say this?
O-fagget told us it would never come to the USA remember?
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obama sucks in a lot of ways, and I call for impeachment even tho some repubs will not...
but where he he say this?
He said that the chances of it coming to American were very rare. He was dead wrong - as he is on everything
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He said that the chances of it coming to American were very rare. He was dead wrong - as he is on everything
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look it up yourself
WTF has Africa exported of value really? Ebola Obama and Aids - FNG nice
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It is deadly in the right conditions. It is an epidemic in the right conditions. But in my honest opinion and by the numbers, those epic deaths just arent happening in the us, and the post apocalyptic era these dudes are trying so hard to usher in (based soely off a hatred of the kneegrow in office) just isnt happening. There are 7 billion people on earth and 230 healthcare staff have died. In the US, there are like 310 million people...2 have died...this isnt the epidemic thats being reported
You are trivializing it again. I haven't really studied this, but even the limited info I have heard and read show this disease is lethal. I know a doc here who heads a medical practice group and he said they are developing a plan for how to deal with an outbreak and he believes one is coming. Why shouldn't we take this seriously if the medical community is talking like that?
It sounds like you are downplaying this for political reasons.
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Ebola in the Big Apple and Common Sense in Short Supply
American Thinker ^ | 10/24/2014 | Brian C Joondeph, MD
Posted on 10/24/2014 10:56:03 AM by SeekAndFind
So much for Ebola being under control, limited to Western Africa, and not a threat to the American homeland. There is now a new confirmed case in New York City, with three others in quarantine. Doctor Craig Spencer, recently confirmed with Ebola, works for Doctors Without Borders, and was providing medical and humanitarian relief to Ebola victims in Western Africa.
He returned to the US from Guinea almost a week before exhibiting first symptoms of infection. Arriving at JFK airport on October 17, he cleared the CDC’s protocol for “enhanced screening of all returning travelers from W. Africa.” No quarantine, either voluntary or mandatory. He is just one of many going through similar “enhanced screenings” at US airports on a daily basis.
Testifying before Congress last week, Obama administration officials, “admitted that 100 to 150 West Africans from Ebola infected areas are entering the US every day.” How many others might be in the early stages of Ebola infection, similar to Dr. Spencer?
Missing is the common sense role of quarantine. Not a novel idea. Quarantines were used in the 1700’s in New York for new immigrants, “To prevent the bringing in and spreading of infectious distempers in the colony.” Within three weeks, this infection plays itself out and those quarantined can be released with a high probability of non-infection. Why wasn’t Dr. Spencer in a quarantine, especially after having returned from the “hot zone” in West Africa, himself working with Ebola patients? As a physician, shouldn’t he have known that he could be infectious? Why not self-exile for a few weeks fulfilling his duty to “first do no harm”?
What about the hundred plus entering the US every day who are not physicians and cannot be expected to know better?
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
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look it up yourself
you stated that he said that, and it lends to your argument. Now im just trying to see if your are a lying sack of shit.
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You are trivializing it again. I haven't really studied this, but even the limited info I have heard and read show this disease is lethal. I know a doc here who heads a medical practice group and he said they are developing a plan for how to deal with an outbreak and he believes one is coming. Why shouldn't we take this seriously if the medical community is talking like that?
It sounds like you are downplaying this for political reasons.
im not downplaying anything.. seriously... Maybe i have an inside look at things which is why i have subscribed to the whole "the sky is falling "non-sense" but im strictly going by the numbers bro... strictly by the numbers. I dont see how you let unfounded bullshit fly in this room when the numbers just dont back up this type of hysteria. Maybe political reasons?
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you stated that he said that, and it lends to your argument. Now im just trying to see if your are a lying sack of shit.
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/10/01/chris-matthews-didnt-obama-tell-us-it-was-unlikely-ebola-would-come-to-america
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im not downplaying anything.. seriously... Maybe i have an inside look at things which is why i have subscribed to the whole "the sky is falling "non-sense" but im strictly going by the numbers bro... strictly by the numbers. I dont see how you let unfounded bullshit fly in this room when the numbers just dont back up this type of hysteria. Maybe political reasons?
Don't you think it's shortsighted to draw conclusions like that based on the number of deaths in the few weeks since this has become an issue? I don't hear anyone else in the medical community downplaying it like that. That's why I mentioned politics, because you are a smart guy, but your take on this doesn't sound reasonable.
From my standpoint, I think the president is a proven failure who lacks integrity, but I wouldn't blame him for the people who are infected. I do think the CDC acted like clowns by telling folks to self monitor and condoned flying on a commercial airliner.
Also, when I see how hospitals quarantine those folks that tells me they are taking this very seriously.
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You are trivializing it again. I haven't really studied this, but even the limited info I have heard and read show this disease is lethal. I know a doc here who heads a medical practice group and he said they are developing a plan for how to deal with an outbreak and he believes one is coming. Why shouldn't we take this seriously if the medical community is talking like that?
It sounds like you are downplaying this for political reasons.
The bitter fucking irony, you are the one using this shitty virus as a political tool. So far Obama is looking 100% right, 2 people? why are we even talking about it?
same shit with SARS, AVIAN FLU, H1N1, they actually killed alot of people though.
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He said that the chances of it coming to American were very rare. He was dead wrong - as he is on everything
Thank you for amending the "never" statement.
And he was right - the chances of it coming here were rare. Two people got in with it.
820 million flights will come into the USA this year.
http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/press_releases/bts016_13
I'd say 2 out of 820,000,000 is pretty rare.
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The bitter fucking irony, you are the one using this shitty virus as a political tool. So far Obama is looking 100% right, 2 people? why are we even talking about it?
same shit with SARS, AVIAN FLU, H1N1, they actually killed alot of people though.
As I said, I don't blame Obama for this. How you figure I'm using this as a political tool? I don't think it's a political issue. The only "political" issue I have is with the CDC and how they have botched this.
I'm talking about it because it's one if the most deadly viruses on the planet, with no cure, that used to be confined to third world environments, but has now made it to our shores. That and the medical community, including people I trust and respect, are very concerned about it.
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Thank you for amending the "never" statement.
And he was right - the chances of it coming here were rare. Two people got in with it.
820 million flights will come into the USA this year.
http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/press_releases/bts016_13
I'd say 2 out of 820,000,000 is pretty rare.
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look it up yourself
WTF has Africa exported of value really? Ebola Obama and Aids - FNG nice
you say some dumb shit that i dispute
i say prove it
and you tell me to prove your bullshit lie?
are you fucking retarded
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you say some dumb shit that i dispute
i say prove it
and you tell me to prove your bullshit lie?
are you fucking retarded
I posted the link - Obama was wrong - as always./
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In the unlikely event that someone with Ebola does reach our shores.... - Obama.
The CDC has taken zero control of this so they were forced to appoint a "czar". What the fuck...this was an easy thing to deal with from a leadership standpoint. Closing off air travel from Africa is a step.....beefing up and detailing TSA steps dealing with air travel. ID'ing and explaining symptoms clearly, how its transmitted clearly etc are positive steps that they have botched each and every time.
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In the unlikely event that someone with Ebola does reach our shores.... - Obama.
The CDC has taken zero control of this so they were forced to appoint a "czar". What the fuck...this was an easy thing to deal with from a leadership standpoint. Closing off air travel from Africa is a step.....beefing up and detailing TSA steps dealing with air travel. ID'ing and explaining symptoms clearly, how its transmitted clearly etc are positive steps that they have botched each and every time.
this is my point.
This thing should have been no big deal if they just followed standard quarantine protocol and shut down travel from the affected area, and properly screened and quarantined infected patients.
But no, we have to do shit that completely goes against all doctrine for dealing with infectious diseases, because the letter of the textbook says 'ebola is no big deal, its hard to transmit and it burns to fast.'
Welp, the textbook says so, so theres absolutley no reason to be cautious or follow standard doctrine, right?
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119978/cuomo-de-blasio-lied-about-craig-spencers-ebola-thats-ok
Unreal - this is the typical Liberal now - cheer on lying
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As I said, I don't blame Obama for this. How you figure I'm using this as a political tool? I don't think it's a political issue. The only "political" issue I have is with the CDC and how they have botched this.
I'm talking about it because it's one if the most deadly viruses on the planet, with no cure, that used to be confined to third world environments, but has now made it to our shores. That and the medical community, including people I trust and respect, are very concerned about it.
Dude, there are many viruses that have no cure for example rabies, it has a vaccine, like Ebola will likely have. However in areas with high amounts of zoonosis you see rabies killing people and children brutally.
Ebola has been around for a while, I bet there have been cases before, it would look like other hemmorhhagic fevers, we would never test for it.
You didn't criticize obama for not closing the borders etc?
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So what's the point? NYC Ebola patient PASSED new 'enhanced screening' at JFK Airport
MailOnline ^ | 24 October 2014 | David Martosko
Posted on 10/24/2014 3:26:36 PM by dennisw
Dr. Craig Spencer returned from Guinea on Oct. 17 The CDC's 'enhanced screening' protocols didn't flag him as a disease carrier because he had no Ebola symptoms 'He went through multiple layers of screening and did not have a fever or other symptoms of illness,' the CDC tweeted He spiked a 100.3-degree fever six days later and landed in New York City's Bellevue Hospital Critics are slamming the CDC and the Obama administration for letting west African travelers into the country while requiring airport screening that can't identify patients
Craig Spencer, the doctor whose confirmed Ebola diagnosis sent New York City into a tailspin on Thursday, successfully cleared the U.S. government's newest 'enhanced' screening protocols when he returned from Africa.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Dr Spencer, who was in Guinea treating Ebola patients as part of a Doctors Without Borders team, passed inspection six days before showing symptoms and checking himself into Bellevue Hospital.
The CDC's acknowledgement brought angry catcalls on Twitter Thursday night, as Americans realised Ebola could reach the US despite security upgrades introduced following an earlier case of Ebola arriving from Africa.
'Well then,' read one post, 'it appears your 'advanced screening' is a load of bull***t. Another failure by CDC.'
The agency moved quickly to try to quell online concerns, but the effort met with little success.
Spencer 'didn't have fever or other symptoms of illness during screening; reported fever to health officials for 1st time today,' the CDC tweeted.
'So basically,' came a tweeted retort, 'screen[ing] process doesn't work to detect Ebola carriers ... Sheesh.'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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You are trivializing it again. I haven't really studied this, but even the limited info I have heard and read show this disease is lethal. I know a doc here who heads a medical practice group and he said they are developing a plan for how to deal with an outbreak and he believes one is coming. Why shouldn't we take this seriously if the medical community is talking like that?
It sounds like you are downplaying this for political reasons.
Obviously you are a good American:
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WTF has Africa exported of value really?
Homo Sapiens?
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Hospital staffers reportedly take sick day rather than treat New York’s first Ebola patient
New York City's first Ebola patient is prompting frightened staffers tasked with his treatment at the city-run hospital in Manhattan to call in sick, according to a published report.
The New York Post reported Saturday that an "extraordinary number" of Bellevue Hospital staffers took a sick day Friday rather than treat Dr. Craig Spencer. And those who reported for work were petrified at having to enter his isolation ward, the paper added, citing sources.
"The nurses on the floor are miserable with a 'why me?' attitude, scared to death and overworked because all their co-workers called out sick," one source told the Post. "One nurse even went as far as to pretend she was having a stroke to get out of working there, but once they cleared her in the ER they sent her back," the source also told the paper.
But a spokeswoman for the public hospital denied there was any sickout. Ana Marengo told the Post the nurses treating the Doctors Without Borders volunteer are working in teams of two, "with one serving as a buddy watching the other."
The Post said Spencer, who is in stable condition, has been playing an active role in his recovery, putting his medical skills to use, lecturing the staff about proper treatment.
"As a doctor, he knows a lot about medicine, so he would call the nurse's station all day and going back and forth the doctors on what to do," the source told the Post.
FOX health news
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Obama voters - F em
Hospital staffers reportedly take sick day rather than treat New York’s first Ebola patient
New York City's first Ebola patient is prompting frightened staffers tasked with his treatment at the city-run hospital in Manhattan to call in sick, according to a published report.
The New York Post reported Saturday that an "extraordinary number" of Bellevue Hospital staffers took a sick day Friday rather than treat Dr. Craig Spencer. And those who reported for work were petrified at having to enter his isolation ward, the paper added, citing sources.
"The nurses on the floor are miserable with a 'why me?' attitude, scared to death and overworked because all their co-workers called out sick," one source told the Post. "One nurse even went as far as to pretend she was having a stroke to get out of working there, but once they cleared her in the ER they sent her back," the source also told the paper.
But a spokeswoman for the public hospital denied there was any sickout. Ana Marengo told the Post the nurses treating the Doctors Without Borders volunteer are working in teams of two, "with one serving as a buddy watching the other."
The Post said Spencer, who is in stable condition, has been playing an active role in his recovery, putting his medical skills to use, lecturing the staff about proper treatment.
"As a doctor, he knows a lot about medicine, so he would call the nurse's station all day and going back and forth the doctors on what to do," the source told the Post.
FOX health news
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Free Ebola: Obama Demands End to State Ebola Quarantines
Frontpage Mag ^ | 10/25/2014 | Daniel Greenfield
Posted on 10/26/2014 10:35:35 PM by SeekAndFind
It’s bad enough that Obama rejects an Ebola travel ban because he thinks we need more Ebola, but he’s attacking Democrats and Republicans who are doing the responsible thing by enacting quarantines.
The Obama administration has been pushing the governors of New York and New Jersey to reverse their decision ordering all medical workers returning from West Africa who had contact with Ebola patients to be quarantined, an administration official said on Sunday.
But both governors, Andrew M. Cuomo of New York and Chris Christie of New Jersey, stood by their decision, saying that the federal guidelines did not go far enough.
“It’s too serious a situation to leave it to the honor system of compliance,” Cuomo said of the decision.
Ever since Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, and Mr. Christie, a Republican, announced the plan at a hastily called news conference on Friday evening, top administration officials have been speaking with Mr. Cuomo daily and have also been in touch with Mr. Christie, trying to get them to rescind the order.
But in that time, two more states – Illinois and Florida – announced that they were instituting similar policies.
A senior administration official, who did not want to be identified in order to discuss private conversations with state officials on the issue, called the decision by the governors “uncoordinated, very hurried, an immediate reaction to the New York City case that doesn’t comport with science.”
What exactly is that anonymous official’s background in science? Same as Joe Biden’s Chief of Staff/Obama’s Ebola Czar?
Quarantining people who are potentially infected doesn’t comport with science? Please tell me more, Guy Who Got This Job Because He’s the Brother in Law of a Campaign Donor.
The decision to institute a mandatory quarantine came after a New York doctor, Craig Spencer, received a diagnosis of Ebola on Thursday, having contracted the virus while working in Guinea for Doctors Without Borders. He is being treated at Bellevue Hospital Center, where his condition has worsened, an expected development as the virus replicates and spreads through his body.
But it wouldn’t be a media pile on without the usual idiot showing up to fight a travel ban.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Disease, said it was vital not to do anything that might interfere with the flow of health workers to West Africa.
“The harm is that it is totally disruptive of their life. We want them to go because they are helping us to protect America to be over there,” Dr. Fauci said on CNN.
No they’re not. They’re helping Africa. And that may be a noble thing, but it’s endangering America.
Obama doesn’t prioritize America over Africa. American leaders should.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/26/snl-roasts-obamas-ebola-response-can-you-watch-the-whole-thing-without-chuckling
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/26/snl-roasts-obamas-ebola-response-can-you-watch-the-whole-thing-without-chuckling
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so.. where are we at with this US death toll?
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...and I hope we continue to have this stupid conversation and nobody else dies. I'm glad New York is doing what its doing. The major concern now is that something will happen in latin America, specifically central America where they can't deal with it and cause a flood of 3rd worlders coming across the boarder.
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so.. where are we at with this US death toll?
Hey you fng leftists retard - the point is to not allow what happened in the failed fucking disaster that is known as AFRICAN'T!
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Hey you fng leftists retard - the point is to not allow what happened in the failed fucking disaster that is known as AFRICAN'T!
oh ok cool
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oh ok cool
Again - Ebola - Obama ? WTF is the difference?
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Again - Ebola - Obama ? WTF is the difference?
cool story bro
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cool story bro
Only difference is an "E" - ;D
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Obama Health Official: Ebola Can Spread Through Bus Sweat
The Daily Caller ^ | 10/27/14 | Patrick Howley
Posted on 10/27/2014 11:21:20 AM by Enlightened1
Department of Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary Dr. Nicole Lurie said in sworn testimony that Ebola can spread through perspiration left on a bus seat.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Senegal-Boys-Attacked-Bullying-IS-318-Tremont-NYC-280519232.html
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Dude, there are many viruses that have no cure for example rabies, it has a vaccine, like Ebola will likely have. However in areas with high amounts of zoonosis you see rabies killing people and children brutally.
Ebola has been around for a while, I bet there have been cases before, it would look like other hemmorhhagic fevers, we would never test for it.
You didn't criticize obama for not closing the borders etc?
You are comparing Ebola to rabies? Seriously?
What are you asking about regarding the borders? If you're talking about illegal immigration, then of course I have criticized him for failing to do his job. If you're talking about travel bans, then I haven't taken a position on that. I don't know what I think about a travel ban.
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If you're talking about illegal immigration, then of course I have criticized him for failing to do his job. If you're talking about travel bans, then I haven't taken a position on that. I don't know what I think about a travel ban.
Frankly, most in congress (in BOTH parties) feel the same way. Most of them won't take a position. It's a week before elections, and an outbreak sinks those who were against it... and a sudden dump in economy (or whatever other ripple effects from limiting national admission).
NOBODY in congress wants to make waves right now. Same on ISIS. Just chill and wait til elections pass, then backseat-drive on whichever way the wind has blown with public opinion.
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You are comparing Ebola to rabies? Seriously?
What are you asking about regarding the borders? If you're talking about illegal immigration, then of course I have criticized him for failing to do his job. If you're talking about travel bans, then I haven't taken a position on that. I don't know what I think about a travel ban.
Rabies is a more deadly virus, that's for sure. maybe you are unaware of the lives it took before vaccination or how many it still takes. Once infected you are dead, 100% fatality, there is nothing you can do unless you catch it right away. It's also another zoonotic disease so it compares well. these people are eating bush meat aka the resevoir and getting sick, it rarely jumps without this,somewhat like rabies. It's not a crazy comparison and I was using it to highlight that this is not the most deadly virus on earth, it just isnt'.
What about the comparison is off? rabies is the worst way you can die, it's seriously vile. it kills tens of thousands of people each year.
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Rabies is a more deadly virus, that's for sure. maybe you are unaware of the lives it took before vaccination or how many it still takes. Once infected you are dead, 100% fatality, there is nothing you can do unless you catch it right away. It's also another zoonotic disease so it compares well. these people are eating bush meat aka the resevoir and getting sick, it rarely jumps without this,somewhat like rabies. It's not a crazy comparison and I was using it to highlight that this is not the most deadly virus on earth, it just isnt'.
What about the comparison is off? rabies is the worst way you can die, it's seriously vile. it kills tens of thousands of people each year.
So does Obamadosis
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Rabies is a more deadly virus, that's for sure. maybe you are unaware of the lives it took before vaccination or how many it still takes. Once infected you are dead, 100% fatality, there is nothing you can do unless you catch it right away. It's also another zoonotic disease so it compares well. these people are eating bush meat aka the resevoir and getting sick, it rarely jumps without this,somewhat like rabies. It's not a crazy comparison and I was using it to highlight that this is not the most deadly virus on earth, it just isnt'.
What about the comparison is off? rabies is the worst way you can die, it's seriously vile. it kills tens of thousands of people each year.
I just read this:
"The number of rabies-related human deaths in the United States has declined from more than 100 annually at the turn of the century to one or two per year in the 1990's. Modern day prophylaxis has proven nearly 100% successful."
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/index.html?s_cid=cs_521
Not a good comparison mang.
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I just read this:
"The number of rabies-related human deaths in the United States has declined from more than 100 annually at the turn of the century to one or two per year in the 1990's. Modern day prophylaxis has proven nearly 100% successful."
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/index.html?s_cid=cs_521
Not a good comparison mang.
In the cult of FAILBAMA - its totally ok to bring in new diseases to USA so as to appease the radical left.
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Ebola victim Thomas Eric Duncan LIED to Dallas hospital staff about his exposure to virus..
Daily Mail ^ | October 27, 2014 | Michael Zennie
Posted on 10/27/2014 2:30:43 PM by CivilWarBrewing
•Sidia Rose says Duncan lied to her about caring for a pregnant woman who later died of the disease when she first questioned about it
•He later admitted to taking care of someone who died in Liberia, but then denied the story to Texas public health officials
•Rose says she was terrified of taking care of Duncan, but did so anyway
•Duncan died October 8, but not before infecting two of his nurses at Texas Health Presbyterian
•Amber Vinson and Nina Pham are now free of the disease
Thomas Eric Duncan lied about his exposure to Ebola to hospital staff and to public health officials, even as he was suffering from projectile vomiting and other symptoms of the horrific disease at Texas Presbyterian, an emergency room nurse has revealed.
Duncan initially claimed that he had not been around anyone who had died when he was in Liberia after he was admitted to the Dallas Hospital last month, Sidia Rose told '60 Minutes' on CBS.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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In the cult of FAILBAMA - its totally ok to bring in new diseases to USA so as to appease the radical left.
every liberal I know hopes the US is wiped out by bubonic plague, Ebola or fiscal collapse.
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9 Reasons to Fear Ebola
Monday, 27 Oct 2014
By Nick Tate
The Obama administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have moved to tamp down worries over Ebola even as the number of cases continues to accelerate. However, many doctors and researchers say there are ominous signs about what the future holds regarding the deadly virus.
Here, according to health experts, are nine reasons to fear Ebola:
1. U.S. hospitals are unprepared.
A new survey found that 94 percent of American hospitals are unprepared for an Ebola patient. Of 1,039 medical centers surveyed, only about 6 percent said they were "well-prepared," according to the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology.
"The results of the poll paint a disturbing picture, and point to an urgent need to bolster infection prevention resources in healthcare facilities," Katrina Crist, CEO of APIC, said during a press conference announcing the results.
2. One form of Ebola has already mutated to an airborne disease.
David Sanders, associate professor of biological sciences at Purdue University who has done extensive Ebola research, notes that the strain of the virus at the center of the outbreak in West Africa can only be spread by exposure to bodily fluids. But Sanders tells Newsmax that Ebola does have the potential to mutate so that it can spread by air like a cold or flu.
In fact, this has already happened with one strain of the virus, Ebola-Reston, that is not involved in the current outbreak. This disease came to Reston, Virginia., in 1989, when a shipment of infected macaques was imported from the Philippines. The disease spread from the macaques to other monkeys housed at a quarantine facility. The infected monkeys all died and four workers at the quarantine facility tested positive for the disease.
The workers never got sick and Ebola-Reston turned out to be the only one of the five forms of Ebola not harmful to humans. But it does show that a virus in the Ebola family can be spread through the air, Sanders says.
3. There is huge potential for spread in Asia.
Health experts are especially concerned that the longer the Ebola outbreak rages in West Africa, the greater chance a traveler infected with the virus will touch down in Asia, a region where billions live in poverty, in crowded conditions, and with public health systems that are often very weak.
"This is a nontreatable disease with a very high mortality rate. And even a country like the United States has not been able to completely prevent it," said Yatin Mehta, a critical care specialist at the Medanta Medicity hospital near New Delhi, India. "The [India] government is trying. They are preparing and they are training, but our record of disaster management has been very poor in the past."
4. The CDC predicts 1.4 million cases by January.
The number of Ebola cases could reach 1.4 million in West Africa by the end of January, according to the CDC. To put this in perspective, an equivalent rate in the U.S. population would be almost 45 million people nationally.
CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden warned this month that Ebola is spreading so rapidly it could become a global pandemic to rival AIDS if it is not contained.
5. Ebola is transmissible by droplets.
The CDC notes that Ebola is not spread through the air like the cold or flu. But it may be spread via airborne "droplets" from an infected person to another in close proximity.
Here’s the difference between the two modes of transmission:
Airborne transmission: This can occur when virus particles are discharged into the air and remain for long periods of time. Droplet particles from a cold or flu, for instance, can survive for long time periods outside the body and on dry surfaces. Infected particles can enter via the lungs of a healthy person, causing the disease. Ebola is not spread this way.
Droplet-contact transmission: This occurs when larger droplets of virus-laden mucus or saliva are discharged into the air such as from a sneeze and come into direct contact with the nose, mouth, or eyes of a healthy person, causing infection. This type of transmission occurs when proximity is very close (within 3 feet). Ebola can potentially be spread this way, experts believe, perhaps on planes or other types of public transportation.
6. The incubation period is long.
The time it takes a person exposed to Ebola to suffer symptoms and become contagious can range from two to 21 days. What’s more, new research suggests the 21-day quarantine recommended by the CDC for Ebola patients to minimize the risk of spreading the virus may be too short.
A Drexel University study concludes that 21 days might not be enough to completely prevent the spread of the virus, estimating a 12 percent chance that someone could be infected even after the three-week quarantine.
7. Health workers have been infected despite protective equipment.
Many healthcare workers who have been treating Ebola victims — including 16 members of the Doctors Without Borders staff — have contracted the virus even though they have followed established guidelines for wearing protective suits, masks, gloves, and other equipment.
Even the makers of such specialized equipment say it doesn’t offer 100 percent protection. In addition, donning and removing protective suits and masks can be tricky, experts say.
8. The Ebola virus can live up to 50 days on certain surfaces.
Under certain conditions at low temperatures, the Ebola virus can remain viable on surfaces for up 50 days, according to a study by the U.K.’s Defense Science and Technology Laboratory. Tests of the virus showed certain strains can remain on surfaces for nearly two months. The CDC notes that Ebola typically lives on “dry” surfaces like doorknobs and tables for only a few hours. But the U.K. research discovered it can survive for more than seven weeks on certain cold surfaces.
9. Ebola is incurable and there is no known treatment.
There is no vaccine or treatment for Ebola, despite a frenzy of drug company research.
Two experimental drugs have been used to treat patients in the current outbreak. ZMapp, being developed by Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc., has not yet been tested in humans. It is a combination of three different monoclonal antibodies that bind to the protein of the Ebola virus. A second experimental drug, Brincidofovir, has also been used to treat some patients. A third treatment that uses antibodies taken from the blood of individuals who have recovered from Ebola has also been effective in some patients.
Ebola vaccines are being investigated and could become available next year. However, even if they prove successful in trials, there are major technological hurdles to overcome to produce and distribute them.
http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ebola-virus-healthcare-workers-protective-gear/2014/10/27/id/603376/#ixzz3HNzDl4OF
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9 Reasons to Fear Ebola
Monday, 27 Oct 2014
By Nick Tate
The Obama administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have moved to tamp down worries over Ebola even as the number of cases continues to accelerate. However, many doctors and researchers say there are ominous signs about what the future holds regarding the deadly virus.
Here, according to health experts, are nine reasons to fear Ebola:
1. U.S. hospitals are unprepared.
A new survey found that 94 percent of American hospitals are unprepared for an Ebola patient. Of 1,039 medical centers surveyed, only about 6 percent said they were "well-prepared," according to the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology.
"The results of the poll paint a disturbing picture, and point to an urgent need to bolster infection prevention resources in healthcare facilities," Katrina Crist, CEO of APIC, said during a press conference announcing the results.
2. One form of Ebola has already mutated to an airborne disease.
David Sanders, associate professor of biological sciences at Purdue University who has done extensive Ebola research, notes that the strain of the virus at the center of the outbreak in West Africa can only be spread by exposure to bodily fluids. But Sanders tells Newsmax that Ebola does have the potential to mutate so that it can spread by air like a cold or flu.
In fact, this has already happened with one strain of the virus, Ebola-Reston, that is not involved in the current outbreak. This disease came to Reston, Virginia., in 1989, when a shipment of infected macaques was imported from the Philippines. The disease spread from the macaques to other monkeys housed at a quarantine facility. The infected monkeys all died and four workers at the quarantine facility tested positive for the disease.
The workers never got sick and Ebola-Reston turned out to be the only one of the five forms of Ebola not harmful to humans. But it does show that a virus in the Ebola family can be spread through the air, Sanders says.
3. There is huge potential for spread in Asia.
Health experts are especially concerned that the longer the Ebola outbreak rages in West Africa, the greater chance a traveler infected with the virus will touch down in Asia, a region where billions live in poverty, in crowded conditions, and with public health systems that are often very weak.
"This is a nontreatable disease with a very high mortality rate. And even a country like the United States has not been able to completely prevent it," said Yatin Mehta, a critical care specialist at the Medanta Medicity hospital near New Delhi, India. "The [India] government is trying. They are preparing and they are training, but our record of disaster management has been very poor in the past."
4. The CDC predicts 1.4 million cases by January.
The number of Ebola cases could reach 1.4 million in West Africa by the end of January, according to the CDC. To put this in perspective, an equivalent rate in the U.S. population would be almost 45 million people nationally.
CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden warned this month that Ebola is spreading so rapidly it could become a global pandemic to rival AIDS if it is not contained.
5. Ebola is transmissible by droplets.
The CDC notes that Ebola is not spread through the air like the cold or flu. But it may be spread via airborne "droplets" from an infected person to another in close proximity.
Here’s the difference between the two modes of transmission:
Airborne transmission: This can occur when virus particles are discharged into the air and remain for long periods of time. Droplet particles from a cold or flu, for instance, can survive for long time periods outside the body and on dry surfaces. Infected particles can enter via the lungs of a healthy person, causing the disease. Ebola is not spread this way.
Droplet-contact transmission: This occurs when larger droplets of virus-laden mucus or saliva are discharged into the air such as from a sneeze and come into direct contact with the nose, mouth, or eyes of a healthy person, causing infection. This type of transmission occurs when proximity is very close (within 3 feet). Ebola can potentially be spread this way, experts believe, perhaps on planes or other types of public transportation.
6. The incubation period is long.
The time it takes a person exposed to Ebola to suffer symptoms and become contagious can range from two to 21 days. What’s more, new research suggests the 21-day quarantine recommended by the CDC for Ebola patients to minimize the risk of spreading the virus may be too short.
A Drexel University study concludes that 21 days might not be enough to completely prevent the spread of the virus, estimating a 12 percent chance that someone could be infected even after the three-week quarantine.
7. Health workers have been infected despite protective equipment.
Many healthcare workers who have been treating Ebola victims — including 16 members of the Doctors Without Borders staff — have contracted the virus even though they have followed established guidelines for wearing protective suits, masks, gloves, and other equipment.
Even the makers of such specialized equipment say it doesn’t offer 100 percent protection. In addition, donning and removing protective suits and masks can be tricky, experts say.
8. The Ebola virus can live up to 50 days on certain surfaces.
Under certain conditions at low temperatures, the Ebola virus can remain viable on surfaces for up 50 days, according to a study by the U.K.’s Defense Science and Technology Laboratory. Tests of the virus showed certain strains can remain on surfaces for nearly two months. The CDC notes that Ebola typically lives on “dry” surfaces like doorknobs and tables for only a few hours. But the U.K. research discovered it can survive for more than seven weeks on certain cold surfaces.
9. Ebola is incurable and there is no known treatment.
There is no vaccine or treatment for Ebola, despite a frenzy of drug company research.
Two experimental drugs have been used to treat patients in the current outbreak. ZMapp, being developed by Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc., has not yet been tested in humans. It is a combination of three different monoclonal antibodies that bind to the protein of the Ebola virus. A second experimental drug, Brincidofovir, has also been used to treat some patients. A third treatment that uses antibodies taken from the blood of individuals who have recovered from Ebola has also been effective in some patients.
Ebola vaccines are being investigated and could become available next year. However, even if they prove successful in trials, there are major technological hurdles to overcome to produce and distribute them.
http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ebola-virus-healthcare-workers-protective-gear/2014/10/27/id/603376/#ixzz3HNzDl4OF
Oooooh, scary.
#2. Seems to be bullshit. The non-lethal variant of ebola that harmlessly infected 4 people in Reston 25 years ago did not mutate to become airborne. It, like all ebola strains now known, requires contact with bodily fluid and that happened when the body fluids (piss, shit, and blood) in infected monkey cages were "aerosolized" by being hosed down while being cleaned.
Truth is, it's just not very contagious. It is possible to catch the disease if an infected person who's noticeably ill coughs or sneezes into your mucous membranes (in your eyes, nose, mouth, or goatse-like anus) but how likely is that since the disease does not cause coughing or sneezing?
Yeah, once contracted it's a deadly disease in poor-ass African countries but I think the mortality rate in a developed country like the USA is questionable. Contracting the disease is a likely death sentence for poor West African folks for whom access to clean running water is a challenge but what's the score in developed countries? I think the jury is still out on that question. Sheesh, even the relatively modestly developed country of Nigeria seems to have successfully dealt with the disease.
Articles like this are simply scare-mongering. Especially since at this point, your life is far, far more at risk every day by simply getting behind the wheel of a car.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/02/ebola-risks-in-perspective/16589979/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/02/ebola-risks-in-perspective/16589979/)
Even germaphobes don't need to fear Ebola
Writing about public health can make you a little crazy.
After 14 years as a medical reporter, I'm a self-confessed germaphobe. I buy hand sanitizer in bulk. I haven't touched a raw chicken in years. I no longer eat sprouts or cantaloupes, which have caused far too many food poisoning outbreaks.
But I'm not even a little worried about getting Ebola.
Because viruses aren't all the same. Because Ebola is not the flu. And Dallas is not West Africa.
Unlike the common cold or viruses that cause food poisoning, Ebola does not spread through casual contact.
Ebola spreads through direct contact with bodily fluids, primarily blood. It can only spread after someone develops symptoms, such as a fever. So if you're exposed to Ebola, the odds are that you are going to know it.
So what has allowed Ebola to ravage West Africa?
Extreme poverty, a broken public health system and the trauma of countries newly emerged from years of brutal warfare.
These conditions aren't present in the USA. They aren't even present in much of Nigeria, where the Ebola epidemic appears to be over. Nigeria, which is considerably more developed than many of its neighbors, was prepared for the possibility of Ebola and took quick action to limit its spread.
I would hope that the USA would respond at least as effectively. While we may see more cases, it's just not likely that we are going to be overwhelmed.
Still, many people remain convinced that the USA is on the verge of an apocalypse.
In some ways, it's easy to see why people are confused.
For nearly two decades, since avian influenza emerged in China in 1996, we've been bombarded with one terrifying disease outbreak after another. Some of these outbreaks were real — bird flu, swine flu, MERS, SARS and even anthrax. Other imagined threats — such as a bioterrorist attack using smallpox — haven't materialized.
But here's what all of the scary germs mentioned above have in common: They can spread through the air, Ebola doesn't. Public health leaders have almost 40 years of experience with Ebola, and they've never seen cases where someone got Ebola because an infected person coughed on them.
If Ebola spread that easily, there would be 7 million cases, not 7,100 cases, as the World Health Organization reports.
Is it possible that we will see more cases of Ebola, either in contacts of the Dallas patient or in additional travelers who fly here from abroad? Yes.
But the USA has safely treated five people with Ebola-like viruses without any mass outbreak. These deadly viruses were here, in the USA, unbeknownst to most of us, and we all survived just fine.
Some of the excessive fear about Ebola reminds me of the hysteria over AIDS in the 1980s. That fear led an Indiana town to bar a 13-year-old boy named Ryan White from attending school. Ryan was infected with the AIDS virus from a blood transfusion, and he posed no threat to anyone.
I would hate to see anyone face that sort of discrimination today.
Does that mean we shouldn't care about Ebola? Absolutely not.
The Ebola epidemic is heartbreaking. I've covered it for months, hoping that my stories will move people to help. Many reputable charities have been on the scene in West Africa since the first days of the outbreak in March. Americans who are concerned about Ebola should consider making a donation.
People might also want to consider protecting themselves from diseases that pose far greater risks in the USA.
Half of Americans skip the flu shot, even though influenza kills up to 49,000 Americans a year.
As Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, told me, "I bet that if we put out an Ebola virus vaccine tomorrow, half of this country would take it, even though it hasn't killed anyone who hasn't traveled" to the affected countries. "Yet you can't get parents to give their children an HPV vaccine to prevent a virus that kills 4,000 U.S. citizens a year."
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Oooooh, scary.
#2. Seems to be bullshit. The non-lethal variant of ebola that harmlessly infected 4 people in Reston 25 years ago did not mutate to become airborne. It, like all ebola strains now known, requires contact with bodily fluid and that happened when the body fluids (piss, shit, and blood) in infected monkey cages were "aerosolized" by being hosed down while being cleaned.
Truth is, it's just not very contagious. It is possible to catch the disease if an infected person who's noticeably ill coughs or sneezes into your mucous membranes (in your eyes, nose, mouth, or goatse-like anus) but how likely is that since the disease does not cause coughing or sneezing?
Yeah, once contracted it's a deadly disease in poor-ass African countries but I think the mortality rate in a developed country like the USA is questionable. Contracting the disease is a likely death sentence for poor West African folks for whom access to clean running water is a challenge but what's the score in developed countries? I think the jury is still out on that question. Sheesh, even the relatively modestly developed country of Nigeria seems to have successfully dealt with the disease.
Articles like this are simply scare-mongering. Especially since at this point, your life is far, far more at risk every day by simply getting behind the wheel of a car.
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The graphic below is for Beach Bum.
Don't be scared, Homie:
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I cannot see that thing.
But you just stick with your "it's not very contagious" viewpoint. I'll roll with the medical professionals I've talked to. I really am embarrassed for you.
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I cannot see that thing.
But you just stick with your "it's not very contagious" viewpoint. I'll roll with the medical professionals I've talked to. I really am embarrassed for you.
LOL. Well, then you seem to be as inclined to be mistakenly embarrassed as you do to be mistakenly fearful.
Can't see the graphic? (That's reminiscent of you telling other folks that you haven't read their articles, lol.)
Not sure why you can't see the graphic but I'll describe it for you:
It's an XY graph.
Along the "X" axis (the horizontal one) it has 5 ranges that indicate the contagiousness of different contagious diseases.
From least contagious on the left to most contagious on the right, the 5 categories are:
1. Not Very (contagious)
2. Quite (contagious)
3. Very (contagious)
4. Highly (contagious)
5. Vaccinate Now!
Along the "Y" axis (the vertical one) it measures how deadly the disease is via a percentage from 0 (at the bottom) to 100% (at the top) that represents the mortality rate.
The graph shows Ebola as having a mortality rate of 70% which makes it the 3rd deadliest disease on the graph behind only untreated HIV (80%) and untreated Rabies (100%).
The graph shows Ebola as being only "Quite Contagious", though. More contagious than Cholera, MRSA, Rabies, or Syphilis but less contagious than Tuberculosis, Seasonal Flu, Hepatitis B, Chicken Pox, the Mumps, the Measles, and Malaria.
It's just not very contagious.
Apparently, even if one is infected, it's not contagious during the incubation stage when one is not yet showing signs of illness. Do you doubt this?
I mean, use your noodle and figure it out for yourself: Look, the doctor in New York even fucked his girlfriend when he arrived back in in the USA (while infected but before showing signs of illness) and she's tested negative so far.
Also, the very first guy, the black guy Thomas Eric Duncan who ended up dying, presumably fucked his girlfriend and had close contact with her 5 kids when he stayed with them when he got back to Dallas and none of them have contracted the disease.
Now quit being needlessly fearful. Even if you're just exaggerating your fears in order to troll for reactions, it's still pretty freakin' lame and you should stop.
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I have been saying this over and over and over, it's not. It's a zoonotic disease that requires active sickness and close contact. The problem is that it kills so quick once infection takes hold that contagion is minimized.
You are wrong
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LOL. Well, then you seem to be as inclined to be mistakenly embarrassed as you do to be mistakenly fearful.
Can't see the graphic? (That's reminiscent of you telling other folks that you haven't read their articles, lol.)
Not sure why you can't see the graphic but I'll describe it for you:
It's an XY graph.
Along the "X" axis (the horizontal one) it has 5 ranges that indicate the contagiousness of different contagious diseases.
From least contagious on the left to most contagious on the right, the 5 categories are:
1. Not Very (contagious)
2. Quite (contagious)
3. Very (contagious)
4. Highly (contagious)
5. Vaccinate Now!
Along the "Y" axis (the vertical one) it measures how deadly the disease is via a percentage from 0 (at the bottom) to 100% (at the top) that represents the mortality rate.
The graph shows Ebola as having a mortality rate of 70% which makes it the 3rd deadliest disease on the graph behind only untreated HIV (80%) and untreated Rabies (100%).
The graph shows Ebola as being only "Quite Contagious", though. More contagious than Cholera, MRSA, Rabies, or Syphilis but less contagious than Tuberculosis, Seasonal Flu, Hepatitis B, Chicken Pox, the Mumps, the Measles, and Malaria.
It's just not very contagious.
Apparently, even if one is infected, it's not contagious during the incubation stage when one is not yet showing signs of illness. Do you doubt this?
I mean, use your noodle and figure it out for yourself: Look, the doctor in New York even fucked his girlfriend when he arrived back in in the USA (while infected but before showing signs of illness) and she's tested negative so far.
Also, the very first guy, the black guy Thomas Eric Duncan who ended up dying, presumably fucked his girlfriend and had close contact with her 5 kids when he stayed with them when he got back to Dallas and none of them have contracted the disease.
Now quit being needlessly fearful. Even if you're just exaggerating your fears in order to troll for reactions, it's still pretty freakin' lame and you should stop.
Unless it's an issue with my computer, I'm sure anyone looking at the graphic you posted can see it has microscopic print. I'm not straining to try and read that crap.
As others have said in other threads, just because you repeatedly say something doesn't make it true.
You need to use your common sense. Why the heck are they dressed in hazardous material suits and quarantine people who get this disease? Is that because it's "just not very contagious"? I mean really. How incredibly stupid is that??
I've talked to enough medical people to conclude (along with my own common sense) that this is very contagious, deadly, etc.
But hey you go right ahead and believe it's "not very contagious." The medical community disagrees with you.
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I have been saying this over and over and over, it's not. It's a zoonotic disease that requires active sickness and close contact. The problem is that it kills so quick once infection takes hold that contagion is minimized.
You are wrong
I'm rolling with the docs I have talked to about this.
So no comment on the fact rabies deaths in the U.S. are essentially zero, and that it is absolutely treatable? Doesn't that contradict what you said?
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I'm rolling with the docs I have talked to about this.
So no comment on the fact rabies deaths in the U.S. are essentially zero, and that it is absolutely treatable? Doesn't that contradict what you said?
Its not treatable except for a very invasive procedure after the transmission. Once infection starts, or the virus gets in the nervous system you are dead, unlike ebola which as we have seen is absolutely treatable. The only fucking case of rabies cure is from a guy who induced a coma in a patient. Regardless, like most matters I will be proven right and you wrong over time.
Ebola deaths in america are essentially zero, ebola deaths worldwide are less then rabies, next argument? any more arguments from authority? I have talked to so and so, who cares, facts are facts.
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Unless it's an issue with my computer, I'm sure anyone looking at the graphic you posted can see it has microscopic print. I'm not straining to try and read that crap.
As others have said in other threads, just because you repeatedly say something doesn't make it true.
You need to use your common sense. Why the heck are they dressed in hazardous material suits and quarantine people who get this disease? Is that because it's "just not very contagious"? I mean really. How incredibly stupid is that??
I've talked to enough medical people to conclude (along with my own common sense) that this is very contagious, deadly, etc.
But hey you go right ahead and believe it's "not very contagious." The medical community disagrees with you.
Dude, you can get reading glasses for a nominal fee (heh heh) at your neighborhood drugstore.
No, BB, the medical community disagrees with you. Ebola is contagious but it's not very contagious.
The precautions folks are taking aren't because of the disease's contagiousness, it's because of its mortality rate. Otherwise folks would wear those hazmat suits around folks with chicken pox and the mumps. Folks where you're from don't do that, do they? lol
Seriously, the suits are worn because even if it's just a little bit contagious, the mortality rate is so high that even in the unlikely event that you contract the disease, it has a good chance to kill you. And since most of us don't want to die...
It's like wearing a helmet on a motorcycle. Yeah, it's not super likely that I'll crash on any given ride, but just in case I do, I'm gonna try not to die.
You sure you're not just trolling so there's more activity on this board?
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Its not treatable except for a very invasive procedure after the transmission. Once infection starts, or the virus gets in the nervous system you are dead, unlike ebola which as we have seen is absolutely treatable. The only fucking case of rabies cure is from a guy who induced a coma in a patient. Regardless, like most matters I will be proven right and you wrong over time.
Ebola deaths in america are essentially zero, ebola deaths worldwide are less then rabies, next argument? any more arguments from authority? I have talked to so and so, who cares, facts are facts.
Rabies is a more deadly virus, that's for sure. maybe you are unaware of the lives it took before vaccination or how many it still takes. Once infected you are dead, 100% fatality, there is nothing you can do unless you catch it right away. It's also another zoonotic disease so it compares well. these people are eating bush meat aka the resevoir and getting sick, it rarely jumps without this,somewhat like rabies. It's not a crazy comparison and I was using it to highlight that this is not the most deadly virus on earth, it just isnt'.
What about the comparison is off? rabies is the worst way you can die, it's seriously vile. it kills tens of thousands of people each year.
Wrong.
"The number of rabies-related human deaths in the United States has declined from more than 100 annually at the turn of the century to one or two per year in the 1990's. Modern day prophylaxis has proven nearly 100% successful."
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/index.html?s_cid=cs_521
Yes, I believe the docs I have talked to about this over some dude on the internet, especially some dude who admitted he just comes on the board to troll.
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Dude, you can get reading glasses for a nominal fee (heh heh) at your neighborhood drugstore.
No, BB, the medical community disagrees with you. Ebola is contagious but it's not very contagious.
The precautions folks are taking aren't because of the disease's contagiousness, it's because of its mortality rate. Otherwise folks would wear those hazmat suits around folks with chicken pox and the mumps. Folks where you're from don't do that, do they? lol
Seriously, the suits are worn because even if it's just a little bit contagious, the mortality rate is so high that even in the unlikely event that you contract the disease, it has a good chance to kill you. And since most of us don't want to die...
It's like wearing a helmet on a motorcycle. Yeah, it's not super likely that I'll crash on any given ride, but just in case I do, I'm gonna try not to die.
You sure you're not just trolling so there's more activity on this board?
I see. Haz mat suits and quarantine like nothing I have seen in recent memory in the U.S., the medical community running scared, the president and CDC all over it, governors on edge, but that's only because it will kill you if you get it, even though you're not going to get it. Some twisted logic.
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I see. Haz mat suits and quarantine like nothing I have seen in recent memory in the U.S., the medical community running scared, the president and CDC all over it, governors on edge, but that's only because it will kill you if you get it, even though you're not going to get it. Some twisted logic.
A lot of folks are easily scared. There's a relatively popular cable news network that specializes in scaring folks that you may have heard of. lol
Plus, a lot of us have seen the movie Outbreak and read books like The Stand and The Hot Zone. (I've done all 3 and don't think I'm especially unique for it.)
Or maybe the weird fascination with zombies that's popped up in the last few years has something to do with it?
Or maybe we can blame some of those fringe-y Christians with their apocalyptic "End of Times" concerns?
Why Americans seem to freak out so easily is an interesting question. I support spending a few million on a study to find out why...as soon as we figure out why lesbians tend to be overweight. lol
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Wrong.
"The number of rabies-related human deaths in the United States has declined from more than 100 annually at the turn of the century to one or two per year in the 1990's. Modern day prophylaxis has proven nearly 100% successful."
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/index.html?s_cid=cs_521
Yes, I believe the docs I have talked to about this over some dude on the internet, especially some dude who admitted he just comes on the board to troll.
Like you literally proved my point because you don't understand what you posted.
Againg once you are infected there is no cure, that is why it's rated the highest on RRkore's chart. Jesus are you just as arrogant in real life? you posted a fucking article talking about prophylaxsis, ie before infection, to disprove that once infected there is a treatment?
By doctors I assume you mean chiropractors because you are ill informed about matters on health as exemplified by your above botch.
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I see. Haz mat suits and quarantine like nothing I have seen in recent memory in the U.S., the medical community running scared, the president and CDC all over it, governors on edge, but that's only because it will kill you if you get it, even though you're not going to get it. Some twisted logic.
Thats because they are handling the virus tit, why wouldnt they avoid infection at all costs? a sick person and a vile of ebola are also a bit different.
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A lot of folks are easily scared. There's a relatively popular cable news network that specializes in scaring folks that you may have heard of. lol
Plus, a lot of us have seen the movie Outbreak and read books like The Stand and The Hot Zone. (I've done all 3 and don't think I'm especially unique for it.)
Or maybe the weird fascination with zombies that's popped up in the last few years has something to do with it?
Or maybe we can blame some of those fringe-y Christians with their apocalyptic "End of Times" concerns?
Why Americans seem to freak out so easily is an interesting question. I support spending a few million on a study to find out why...as soon as we figure out why lesbians tend to be overweight. lol
Or how about the medical community and government officials are very concerned because this is a highly contagious, lethal disease, with no cure, that was once confined to Third World communities, but has now appeared here (and in Europe)? Yeah, I'm going with that and not that stupid "Fox News" or trying to give cover to Obama nonsense.
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Like you literally proved my point because you don't understand what you posted.
Againg once you are infected there is no cure, that is why it's rated the highest on RRkore's chart. Jesus are you just as arrogant in real life? you posted a fucking article talking about prophylaxsis, ie before infection, to disprove that once infected there is a treatment?
By doctors I assume you mean chiropractors because you are ill informed about matters on health as exemplified by your above botch.
lol. What. lol Dude. You claimed rabies is more deadly than Ebola and that "Once infected you are dead, 100% fatality, there is nothing you can do unless you catch it right away." I gave you link to the CDC that directly contradicts what you said.
I talked to the head of one of the largest medical practice groups in Hawaii. He's much smarter than you. :)
But I do know a very pretty and successful chiropractor. Not sure she knows anything about Ebola.
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Thats because they are handling the virus tit, why wouldnt they avoid infection at all costs? a sick person and a vile of ebola are also a bit different.
Dude. Please stay in Canada.
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lol. What. lol Dude. You claimed rabies is more deadly than Ebola and that "Once infected you are dead, 100% fatality, there is nothing you can do unless you catch it right away." I gave you link to the CDC that directly contradicts what you said.
I talked to the head of one of the largest medical practice groups in Hawaii. He's much smarter than you. :)
But I do know a very pretty and successful chiropractor. Not sure she knows anything about Ebola.
FWIW, the chart I posted (that others can see but you can't) shows that "untreated Rabies" has a higher mortality rate than Ebola. Per the chart, "untreated HIV" does, too.
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Or how about the medical community and government officials are very concerned because this is a highly contagious, lethal disease, with no cure, that was once confined to Third World communities, but has now appeared here (and in Europe)? Yeah, I'm going with that and not that stupid "Fox News" or trying to give cover to Obama nonsense.
No one is saying that Ebola isn't something to be concerned about. The level of concern is all we're quibbling about here. And let's face it, there are dozens and dozens of things that threaten the average American's health more than Ebola.
You're misrepresenting the facts when you decide to call it "highly" contagious vs just contagious. There are lots of illnesses more contagious than Ebola though few as lethal.
I mean, c'mon, what do you call chicken pox, then?: Super-duper-double contagious?
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lol. What. lol Dude. You claimed rabies is more deadly than Ebola and that "Once infected you are dead, 100% fatality, there is nothing you can do unless you catch it right away." I gave you link to the CDC that directly contradicts what you said.
Is this a new form of arguing on this board? Just post some info that contains words related to your point, then interpret it -however incorrectly- you want?
Right in the link you posted, they define rabies prophylaxis as a "vaccination". As in being treated for exposure to a disease prior to being infected with a disease. As in not infected yet. As in exactly what Necrosis said.
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No one is saying that Ebola isn't something to be concerned about. The level of concern is all we're quibbling about here. And let's face it, there are dozens and dozens of things that threaten the average American's health more than Ebola.
You're misrepresenting the facts when you decide to call it "highly" contagious vs just contagious. There are lots of illnesses more contagious than Ebola though few as lethal.
I mean, c'mon, what do you call chicken pox, then?: Super-duper-double contagious?
You're concerned about this? That isn't the impression you and others are giving at all. People are being really flip about the whole thing. I don't think there needs to be mass hysteria. It also shouldn't be politicized. But when very smart people are concerned, I pay attention. A few dudes on the internet? Not so much.
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Is this a new form of arguing on this board? Just post some info that contains words related to your point, then interpret it -however incorrectly- you want?
Right in the link you posted, they define rabies prophylaxis as a "vaccination". As in being treated for exposure to a disease prior to being infected with a disease. As in not infected yet. As in exactly what Necrosis said.
Actually, the link said it's treatable. There isn't a 100 percent kill rate as he claimed. Plus you have to be bitten by a wild animal or a rabid dog. Pretty bad comparison if you ask me.
Next we'll be comparing Ebola to aspirin, since aspirin kills more people in the U.S. than Ebola.
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Actually, the link said it's treatable. There isn't a 100 percent kill rate as he claimed. Plus you have to be bitten by a wild animal or a rabid dog. Pretty bad comparison if you ask me.
Next we'll be comparing Ebola to aspirin, since aspirin kills more people in the U.S. than Ebola.
Nowhere in that link does it say rabies is treatable. It says that it is preventable if you begin treatment before you are infected. Once you are infected, the kill rate is practically 100%. The only survivors of actual infection listed in that link were people who had pre-exposure prophylaxis. Necrosis very clearly stated that he was talking about infection, not exposure.
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lol. What. lol Dude. You claimed rabies is more deadly than Ebola and that "Once infected you are dead, 100% fatality, there is nothing you can do unless you catch it right away." I gave you link to the CDC that directly contradicts what you said.
I talked to the head of one of the largest medical practice groups in Hawaii. He's much smarter than you. :)
But I do know a very pretty and successful chiropractor. Not sure she knows anything about Ebola.
It doesnt contradict what I said you imbecile, vaccines (prophylaxsis) ie before infection have cured it in the developed world for the most part. He is not smarter then me if he is saying what you are saying. I don't care about your arguments from authority, you have made yourself look like an ass and are now doubling down on it. My statment stands.
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Actually, the link said it's treatable. There isn't a 100 percent kill rate as he claimed. Plus you have to be bitten by a wild animal or a rabid dog. Pretty bad comparison if you ask me.
Next we'll be comparing Ebola to aspirin, since aspirin kills more people in the U.S. than Ebola.
It's a great comparison, Ebola is a zoonotic disease like rabies, it is very deadly like rabies, it has poor communicability like ebola. It actually is more transmissible as the vector (animals, same in both cases) is actively agitated and aggressive, whereas the ebola is generally started with consumption of infected meat.
Rabies kills far more people yearly as well.
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Nowhere in that link does it say rabies is treatable. It says that it is preventable if you begin treatment before you are infected. Once you are infected, the kill rate is practically 100%. The only survivors of actual infection listed in that link were people who had pre-exposure prophylaxis. Necrosis very clearly stated that he was talking about infection, not exposure.
just FYI there was a girl who survived, it was quite the treatment. She was placed in a coma long enough to allow her body to form antibodies and kill the virus, then she was brought back, albeit not quite the same. The treatment was attempted again in China I beleive and failed brutally, the man formed no defense and just died in a coma.
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I cannot see that thing.
But you just stick with your "it's not very contagious" viewpoint. I'll roll with the medical professionals I've talked to. I really am embarrassed for you.
Actual facts arent adding up.
So are you embarrassed for him for his willingness to see data as it is?
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A top Republican congressman claims the Obama administration is exploring plans to bring non-U.S. citizens infected with Ebola to the United States for treatment.
Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, told Fox News that his office has received "information from within the administration" that these plans are being developed. So far, only American Ebola patients have been brought back to the U.S. for treatment from the disease epicenter in West Africa.
Goodlatte warned that expanding that policy could put the country at more risk.
"Members of the media, my office have received confidential communications saying that those plans are being developed," Goodlatte said Monday night.
"This is simply a matter of common sense that if you are concerned about this problem spreading -- and this is a deadly disease that we're even concerned about the great health care workers when they come back not spreading it -- we certainly shouldn't be bringing in the patients."
The chairman wrote a letter last week to Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and Secretary of State John Kerry asking whether such plans exist, but he says he has not gotten a response.
The details are sketchy, if such a plan even exists.
A Goodlatte aide told FoxNews.com that "someone in one of the agencies" contacted their office with the tip -- presumably, the plan would apply to non-U.S. residents. Who would pay for the transport and treatment is an open question.
In his letter last week, Goodlatte asked whether the administration is formulating such a plan, seeking details and communications among their employees.
The conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch also reported, shortly before Goodlatte sent the letter, that the administration is "actively formulating" plans to bring Ebola patients into the U.S., with the specific goal of treating them "within the first days of diagnosis."
Goodlatte earlier had pushed the president to consider using his authority to impose a temporary ban on non-U.S. citizen travel to the United States from the three African countries hardest-hit by Ebola.
"We think, again, that's just plain common sense, a practical way to stop this disease from spreading," he said.
The Obama administration has pushed back on those calls, saying the most effective approach is to stop Ebola at its source in West Africa.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ebola-czar-ron-klain-sight-cdc-issues-guidelines-article-1.1989534
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Nowhere in that link does it say rabies is treatable. It says that it is preventable if you begin treatment before you are infected. Once you are infected, the kill rate is practically 100%. The only survivors of actual infection listed in that link were people who had pre-exposure prophylaxis. Necrosis very clearly stated that he was talking about infection, not exposure.
Yes, it says it right here: "In the United States, human fatalities associated with rabies occur in people who fail to seek medical assistance, usually because they were unaware of their exposure."
In other words, those who seek medical assistance do not suffer fatalities. That is completely inconsistent with a 100 percent kill rate.
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It doesnt contradict what I said you imbecile, vaccines (prophylaxsis) ie before infection have cured it in the developed world for the most part. He is not smarter then me if he is saying what you are saying. I don't care about your arguments from authority, you have made yourself look like an ass and are now doubling down on it. My statment stands.
He is much smarter than you. He probably makes more money than you. Heck he is probably better looking than you. (No homo.) But he's not saying the same thing as I am, because he's not stupid enough to compare Ebola to rabies, which makes him smarter than me too, you . . . Canadian.
You have to be bitten by a wild animal or rabid dog to get rabies. There is no human-to human transmission of rabies in the U.S. It is essentially 100 percent treatable. What an asinine comparison.
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Actual facts arent adding up.
So are you embarrassed for him for his willingness to see data as it is?
No. I'm embarrassed he is doing what a number of liberals are doing by trying to downplay this thing for political purposes. Hacks do that.
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Ebola Nurse Who Was Quarantined in NJ Now in Maine
ABC News ^ | 10/28/2014 | By ROBERT F. BUKATY
Posted on 10/28/2014 1:29:46 PM by SeekAndFind
The nurse who was confined against her will at a New Jersey hospital after treating Ebola patients in West Africa is seeking time to decompress at an undisclosed location in Maine, her lawyer said Tuesday.
Kaci Hickox's partner, a nursing student, has opted to stay away from the University of Maine at Fort Kent to be with her, a university official said. His off-campus home showed no sign of activity Tuesday.
"At this point, he has made a decision he has decided to take a break from campus," said Ray Phinney, associate dean of student life and development. "We don't know exactly when to expect him back," he added.
There was disagreement Tuesday over Hickox's status.
The state of Maine said she agreed to be quarantined, but her lawyer insisted there's no quarantine.
Steve Hyman, one of Hickox's lawyers, said the state should follow the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines that require only monitoring, not quarantine, for health care workers who show no symptoms after treating Ebola patients.
He said he expected her to remain in seclusion for the "next day or so" while he works with Maine health officials.
There was no immediate clarification from the Maine Department of Health and Human Services or from the governor's office.
Hickox, who volunteered in Africa with Doctors Without Borders, was the first person forced into New Jersey's mandatory quarantine for people arriving at Newark Liberty from three West African countries.
She spent the weekend in a quarantine tent despite her objections over her treatment at Newark Liberty International Airport.
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He is much smarter than you. He probably makes more money than you. Heck he is probably better looking than you. (No homo.) But he's not saying the same thing as I am, because he's not stupid enough to compare Ebola to rabies, which makes him smarter than me too, you . . . Canadian.
You have to be bitten by a wild animal or rabid dog to get rabies. There is no human-to human transmission of rabies in the U.S. It is essentially 100 percent treatable. What an asinine comparison.
hehe, you are being owned in this thread like most, care to explain how prophylaxsis disproves it's near perfect fatality once the CNS is in fact infected?
Nothing wrong with my comparison, here we have a person with no knowledge of medicine or virology arguing with a doctor, who is the idiot again?
It's not treatable, it's preventable, condoms don't treat HIV ass hat. Regardless my comparison was to disprove the claim of it being the most deadly virus, it's not as I have proven. You have continued to post bullshit, then when called out act like you have an expert on your phone that you are conversing with, lol you are a joke.
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hehe, you are being owned in this thread like most, care to explain how prophylaxsis disproves it's near perfect fatality once the CNS is in fact infected?
Nothing wrong with my comparison, here we have a person with no knowledge of medicine or virology arguing with a doctor, who is the idiot again?
It's not treatable, it's preventable, condoms don't treat HIV ass hat. Regardless my comparison was to disprove the claim of it being the most deadly virus, it's not as I have proven. You have continued to post bullshit, then when called out act like you have an expert on your phone that you are conversing with, lol you are a joke.
I'm not an expert on any of this stuff, Canadian. But I do know it's a stupid comparison. And I'm actually the idiot for even engaging you on something so stupid.
The only thing you've proved is you will stop at no lengths to be a liberal lapdog.
I don't have an expert on my phone. I just talk to him periodically. Talking to him is enlightening. Reading what you post is not. Don't hate. Appreciate.
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Yes, it says it right here: "In the United States, human fatalities associated with rabies occur in people who fail to seek medical assistance, usually because they were unaware of their exposure."
In other words, those who seek medical assistance do not suffer fatalities. That is completely inconsistent with a 100 percent kill rate.
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lol, you didn't even know what prophylaxsis was and you are going to continue? you have quite the opinion of yourself, ever consider you don't know everything and are in fact, wrong?
People can receive treatment before (this is the key word you seem to miss) the infection takes hold, generally immnoglobulin and vaccine therapy, you have to catch it within 10-14 days before it can replicate in the dermatome, once it does, nothing stops it, hence RR's chart, it's fatal. it also kills way more people each year in the world. Again you want to focus on the US because it suits you, the world in 2010 for example had over 25k deaths from it. There is more nuance as well, the site of the bite dictates the speed of infection, how far the virus has to travel to obtain teh CNS.
There is no cure for HIV however, the same process exists for it.
Regardless, you are wrong on this as you are on Ebola.. par for the course with you.
So let's run down the facts again.
It;s not the most deadly virus, even HIV is more deadly.
It spreads poorly, not as poorly as rabies, not as well as malaria.
It's a zoonotic disease requiring a animal vector, only once infection starts can you be infected, animals can carry without problem, hence the higher spread rate.
It is treatable, particularly with first world medicine, what is the death rate 20% of those who have been treated in time?
An african country has eliminated it after having more cases then the US, the desity and conditions of the populations in Nigeria are prime for spread.
What is there to fear again?
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I'm not an expert on any of this stuff, Canadian. But I do know it's a stupid comparison. And I'm actually the idiot for even engaging you on something so stupid.
The only thing you've proved is you will stop at no lengths to be a liberal lapdog.
I don't have an expert on my phone. I just talk to him periodically. Talking to him is enlightening. Reading what you post is not. Don't hate. Appreciate.
You have been owned in this thread, the link you posted was non-sense that didn't support you, in fact others pointed out it supported me as I stated. At first the rabies comparison was to show that Ebola is not the most deadly virus, which it's not, rabies is the most deadly, that's a well known fact in medical circles, ask your doctor friends you roll with.
Your attempt to troll now that you have had your ass handed to you is flattering. You think condoms are treatments if you think vaccines are treatments, simple. You are wrong and usually are. You are slightly melting now.
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lol, you didn't even know what prophylaxsis was and you are going to continue? you have quite the opinion of yourself, ever consider you don't know everything and are in fact, wrong?
People can receive treatment before (this is the key word you seem to miss) the infection takes hold, generally immnoglobulin and vaccine therapy, you have to catch it within 10-14 days before it can replicate in the dermatome, once it does, nothing stops it, hence RR's chart, it's fatal. it also kills way more people each year in the world. Again you want to focus on the US because it suits you, the world in 2010 for example had over 25k deaths from it. There is more nuance as well, the site of the bite dictates the speed of infection, how far the virus has to travel to obtain teh CNS.
There is no cure for HIV however, the same process exists for it.
Regardless, you are wrong on this as you are on Ebola.. par for the course with you.
So let's run down the facts again.
It;s not the most deadly virus, even HIV is more deadly.
It spreads poorly, not as poorly as rabies, not as well as malaria.
It's a zoonotic disease requiring a animal vector, only once infection starts can you be infected, animals can carry without problem, hence the higher spread rate.
It is treatable, particularly with first world medicine, what is the death rate 20% of those who have been treated in time?
An african country has eliminated it after having more cases then the US, the desity and conditions of the populations in Nigeria are prime for spread.
What is there to fear again?
Talk about projection. Which one of us is constantly talking about how smart they are, they are always right, touting credentials, etc.? That would be you. People with enormous insecurities do that. Get over yourself already. You're not impressing anybody. Me? I'm just an average Joe and that's all I've ever said about myself.
This is so silly. I'm focusing on the U.S. because that's the issue: transmission of a deadly virus in the U.S. You are the one comparing it to a virus that requires you to be bitten by a wild animal or rabid dog, that kills essentially nobody in the U.S., and that is not transmitted from human-to-human, unlike Ebola.
I am concerned about this, as is the medical community, as they should be.
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You have been owned in this thread, the link you posted was non-sense that didn't support you, in fact others pointed out it supported me as I stated. At first the rabies comparison was to show that Ebola is not the most deadly virus, which it's not, rabies is the most deadly, that's a well known fact in medical circles, ask your doctor friends you roll with.
Your attempt to troll now that you have had your ass handed to you is flattering. You think condoms are treatments if you think vaccines are treatments, simple. You are wrong and usually are. You are slightly melting now.
I'm not going to ask my doctor friends about that dumb rabies comparison. But I am rolling with what they say as opposed to an internet keyboard warrior.
Troll? lol Do I need to find your quote where you admitted coming on this board to troll?
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Obama must have some type of immunity to rabies - just saying. :D :D :D
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Talk about projection. Which one of us is constantly talking about how smart they are, they are always right, touting credentials, etc.? That would be you. People with enormous insecurities do that. Get over yourself already. You're not impressing anybody. Me? I'm just an average Joe and that's all I've ever said about myself.
This is so silly. I'm focusing on the U.S. because that's the issue: transmission of a deadly virus in the U.S. You are the one comparing it to a virus that requires you to be bitten by a wild animal or rabid dog, that kills essentially nobody in the U.S., and that is not transmitted from human-to-human, unlike Ebola.
I am concerned about this, as is the medical community, as they should be.
HuH? No where did I bring up anything until you used your argument from authority. Not trying to impress anyone, just tearing you a new asshole.
Sorry what other super deadly virus would you like me to compare it to? HIV a retro virus that is not zoonotic? or another virus that is zoonotic? you realize the options are limited, that the point of my comparison was to simply show you that ebola is not the most deadly virus, which I failed to do as you are not swayed by facts.
Ebola shouldn't enter your mind on a day to day, there is no need for concern as we can clearly see. It's almost over now honey, you can get upset about something liberal soon enough.
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HuH? No where did I bring up anything until you used your argument from authority. Not trying to impress anyone, just tearing you a new asshole.
Sorry what other super deadly virus would you like me to compare it to? HIV a retro virus that is not zoonotic? or another virus that is zoonotic? you realize the options are limited, that the point of my comparison was to simply show you that ebola is not the most deadly virus, which I failed to do as you are not swayed by facts.
Ebola shouldn't enter your mind on a day to day, there is no need for concern as we can clearly see. It's almost over now honey, you can get upset about something liberal soon enough.
lol. You are a legend in your own mind.
I'm not asking you to compare Ebola to anything. That is something you came up with all on your own. I could care less about comparisons.
But thanks for your concern sweetheart. You carry on with being a liberal lapdog. :)
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Necrosis will be bleeding his liver out his ass clutching a picture of Obama and still wont admit that more should have been done....
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Necrosis will be bleeding his liver out his ass clutching a picture of Obama and still wont admit that more should have been done....
But at least he'll have free healthcare.
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I'm not going to ask my doctor friends about that dumb rabies comparison. But I am rolling with what they say as opposed to an internet keyboard warrior.
Troll? lol Do I need to find your quote where you admitted coming on this board to troll?
Oh it's not dumb, it's as good a comparison as influenza is to ebola. again, you can't back up your shit so you claim to "roll with doctors". I blame this on your religiosity, you think facts are matters of opinion, that your truth is different from the actual truth. The facts in this thread shit all over you and any doctors you "roll" with.
Again the comparison was to show you that ebola is not most deadly, how is that not sinking into your head? if you want to compare other things about the viruses then have at it.
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Oh it's not dumb, it's as good a comparison as influenza is to ebola. again, you can't back up your shit so you claim to "roll with doctors". I blame this on your religiosity, you think facts are matters of opinion, that your truth is different from the actual truth. The facts in this thread shit all over you and any doctors you "roll" with.
Again the comparison was to show you that ebola is not most deadly, how is that not sinking into your head? if you want to compare other things about the viruses then have at it.
::) Religion has about as much to do with this Ebola subject as that stupid rabies comparison.
I never claimed Ebola was the "most deadly." The only thing I've said is I'm concerned about it. It's ok if you want to stick your head in the sand. Or more accurately, keep your head up Obama's rear end. And that is something I still don't understand, when you don't even live in the U.S.
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No. I'm embarrassed he is doing what a number of liberals are doing by trying to downplay this thing for political purposes. Hacks do that.
Where on earth did you get the idea that my politics plays any part in my attitude about how much to freak out about Ebola?
I couldn't care less what other progressives think about Ebola. It's just common sense for lay-people to not be too worried about it, as I see it.
If it's so dangerous, then why have so few people in the USA caught it? Not sure about that Vietnamese-American nurse, but the black guy and that white doctor were both infected and were pretty much traipsing around town and being social before being admitted for treatment and yet you can still count the number of infected in the USA on one hand and the number of folks here that have died on one finger.
I hear your argument about how some medical professional that you know personally and have a lot of respect for scared the shit out of you and so your mind is made up and that's fine. I'm pretty sure, though, that if the Ebola thing fizzles out here in the USA (as I expect it will) you'll trust your lyin' eyes sooner or later.
I don't expect that you'll admit that your fears were premature, though. You'll just move on to some other issue that you think is worth getting your panties in a bunch over.
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Where on earth did you get the idea that my politics plays any part in my attitude about how much to freak out about Ebola?
I couldn't care less what other progressives think about Ebola. It's just common sense for lay-people to not be too worried about it, as I see it.
If it's so dangerous, then why have so few people in the USA caught it? Not sure about that Vietnamese-American nurse, but the black guy and that white doctor were both infected and were pretty much traipsing around town and being social before being admitted for treatment and yet you can still count the number of infected in the USA on one hand and the number of folks here that have died on one finger.
I hear your argument about how some medical professional that you know personally and have a lot of respect for scared the shit out of you and so your mind is made up and that's fine. I'm pretty sure, though, that if the Ebola thing fizzles out here in the USA (as I expect it will) you'll trust your lyin' eyes sooner or later.
I don't expect that you'll admit that your fears were premature, though. You'll just move on to some other issue that you think is worth getting your panties in a bunch over.
I have seen a very consistent response to this: conservatives attacking the president and liberals like you downplaying the threat. It's not a coincidence. Both sides have politicized it. As for me, I'll listen to the medical professionals who are not partisan hacks on this.
Nobody scared me, ::) but I know you like to just make stuff up. I'm concerned about it, as everyone should be. Except for those carrying the president's water, who will do anything to deflect what they perceive as bad attention away from the man.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/28/state-department-plans-to-bring-foreign-ebola-pati
Mofos
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Yes, it says it right here: "In the United States, human fatalities associated with rabies occur in people who fail to seek medical assistance, usually because they were unaware of their exposure."
This does not say that rabies is treatable.
In other words, those who seek medical assistance do not suffer fatalities.
...as long as they get a vaccine before they actually GET rabies.
That is completely inconsistent with a 100 percent kill rate.
Once again, he clearly and specifically posted that there is an almost 100% kill rate following infection.
The quotes you are pulling clearly and specifically state they are referring to the time before infection.
There is absolutely no way you can honestly believe your position. Between the quotes you are pulling, the parts you are leaving out and the specificity of Necrosis' original post, there is no way you can't realize that exposure and infection are two different things and also realize exactly what that entails. The thing I'm curious about is how this type of debate became so prevalent on this board? You've always pulled that "I don't have time to read an article or process new information" thing, but pretending not to understand basic information is just weird. This is not the first time I"ve seen you do it. And you're not only person who does it.
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New York Ebola doctor 'LIED to police about his travel': They found out from his MetroCard
The Daily Mail ^ | October 29, 2014 | Chris Pleasance
Posted on 10/29/2014 8:01:31 AM by Cincinatus' Wife
The doctor currently being treated for Ebola in New York lied to police about travelling around the city for six days before he was quarantined, it has been revealed.
Dr Craig Spencer initially told officers that he had isolated himself in his Harlem apartment after returning from Guinea where he had been treating people for the illness.
It was only when cops checked his MetroCard and bank statement that they realised he had been roaming the city for nearly a week, visiting a sandwich shop, taking an Uber cab, and going bowling.
It was only when officers rang Dr Spencer and confronted him with the evidence that he confessed, according to the New York Post.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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New York Ebola doctor 'LIED to police about his travel': They found out from his MetroCard
The Daily Mail ^ | October 29, 2014 | Chris Pleasance
Posted on 10/29/2014 8:01:31 AM by Cincinatus' Wife
The doctor currently being treated for Ebola in New York lied to police about travelling around the city for six days before he was quarantined, it has been revealed.
Dr Craig Spencer initially told officers that he had isolated himself in his Harlem apartment after returning from Guinea where he had been treating people for the illness.
It was only when cops checked his MetroCard and bank statement that they realised he had been roaming the city for nearly a week, visiting a sandwich shop, taking an Uber cab, and going bowling.
It was only when officers rang Dr Spencer and confronted him with the evidence that he confessed, according to the New York Post.
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this "honor system" with self-quarantine is crap. I know they'll be upset about their rights, but if you want entrance after spending time in ebola areas, you should be guarded. We see this over and over - medical professionals who KNOW how contagious they might be, going out because they're bored.
IMO, they're highly selfish. They do this amazing work with sick people in Africa for their own personal enjoyment, the high they get from helping (and using that to get laid, no doubt).
But then they return and endanger americans. The dallas nurse that rode a plane TO PLAN A WEDDING PARTY? WTF? And now this doc decides going bowling is more important than not spreading ebola. Screw him, and screw those governors letting these isolated people out because they complain. (pataki and christie are endangering the public to avoid bad media coverage - total lack of balls!)
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This is why I just lol when a lot of doctors and scientists scream "ITS SCIENCE - ITS SCIENCE - ITS SCIENCE" blah blah blah - there are a lot liars quacks and phonies in those professions just the same
this "honor system" with self-quarantine is crap. I know they'll be upset about their rights, but if you want entrance after spending time in ebola areas, you should be guarded. We see this over and over - medical professionals who KNOW how contagious they might be, going out because they're bored.
IMO, they're highly selfish. They do this amazing work with sick people in Africa for their own personal enjoyment, the high they get from helping (and using that to get laid, no doubt).
But then they return and endanger americans. The dallas nurse that rode a plane TO PLAN A WEDDING PARTY? WTF? And now this doc decides going bowling is more important than not spreading ebola. Screw him, and screw those governors letting these isolated people out because they complain. (pataki and christie are endangering the public to avoid bad media coverage - total lack of balls!)
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Obama on Ebola: "This Is Something That Will Get Fixed"
RCP Video ^ | 10-28-2014
Posted on 10/28/2014 5:34:30 PM by Sir Napsalot
PRESIDENT OBAMA: America in the end is not defined by fear. That's not who we are. We don't just react based on our fears. We react based on facts and judgment and making smart decisions.
(snip) And we're going to keep on making progress and we're going to solve this particular problem just like we solved every other problem. But it starts with us having the confidence in understanding that as challenging as this may be, this is something that will get fixed.
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LMFAO!!! HA HA HA HA HA HJA
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This does not say that rabies is treatable.
...as long as they get a vaccine before they actually GET rabies.
Once again, he clearly and specifically posted that there is an almost 100% kill rate following infection.
The quotes you are pulling clearly and specifically state they are referring to the time before infection.
There is absolutely no way you can honestly believe your position. Between the quotes you are pulling, the parts you are leaving out and the specificity of Necrosis' original post, there is no way you can't realize that exposure and infection are two different things and also realize exactly what that entails. The thing I'm curious about is how this type of debate became so prevalent on this board? You've always pulled that "I don't have time to read an article or process new information" thing, but pretending not to understand basic information is just weird. This is not the first time I"ve seen you do it. And you're not only person who does it.
You don't post here that often, but what I see from you and other partisans like you is a refusal to deal with facts, ignoring the facts, distorting the facts, and/or ad hominem. I'm about done talking about this asinine comparison, but let's see if you prove me right or wrong about the partisan approach to discussions.
Rabies is only fatal when the person becomes symptomatic. That means they can already be infected, but will likely be cured if they don't have symptoms.
"The acute period of disease typically ends after 2 to 10 days. Once clinical signs of rabies appear, the disease is nearly always fatal, and treatment is typically supportive.
Disease prevention includes administration of both passive antibody, through an injection of human immune globulin and a round of injections with rabies vaccine.
Once a person begins to exhibit signs of the disease, survival is rare. To date less than 10 documented cases of human survival from clinical rabies have been reported and only two have not had a history of pre- or postexposure prophylaxis."
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/symptoms/
"Once a person begins showing signs and symptoms of rabies, the disease is nearly always fatal. For this reason, anyone who may have a risk of contracting rabies should receive rabies vaccines for protection."
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rabies/basics/definition/con-20019900
In any event, like I said, this is a stupid comparison that has nothing to do with Ebola.
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"The acute period of disease typically ends after 2 to 10 days. Once clinical signs of rabies appear, the disease is nearly always fatal, and treatment is typically supportive.
Disease prevention includes administration of both passive antibody, through an injection of human immune globulin and a round of injections with rabies vaccine.
Once a person begins to exhibit signs of the disease, survival is rare. To date less than 10 documented cases of human survival from clinical rabies have been reported and only two have not had a history of pre- or postexposure prophylaxis."
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/symptoms/
"Once a person begins showing signs and symptoms of rabies, the disease is nearly always fatal. For this reason, anyone who may have a risk of contracting rabies should receive rabies vaccines for protection."
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rabies/basics/definition/con-20019900
In any event, like I said, this is a stupid comparison that has nothing to do with Ebola.
Every single one of these quotes you pulled says that the disease is almost always fatal.Every one of these quotes describes the "treatment" as a VACCINE. When you click on the links, they are even more specific about the difference between exposure period and the onset of infection. That is exactly what Necrosis said in the original post. This is the original post:
"Dude, there are many viruses that have no cure for example rabies, it has a vaccine, like Ebola will likely have. However in areas with high amounts of zoonosis you see rabies killing people and children brutally."
ALL of the quotes you just pulled support that. You are being intellectually dishonest.
All of the links you posted state that rabies deaths are exponentially higher outside of the developed world. Within the developed world, rabies deaths are almost zero. That is the point of the rabies comparison. There really is no correlation between the death rate in an undeveloped part of the world and a developed part of the world with top notch medical facilities.
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Every single one of these quotes you pulled says that the disease is almost always fatal.Every one of these quotes describes the "treatment" as a VACCINE. When you click on the links, they are even more specific about the difference between exposure period and the onset of infection. That is exactly what Necrosis said in the original post. This is the original post:
"Dude, there are many viruses that have no cure for example rabies, it has a vaccine, like Ebola will likely have. However in areas with high amounts of zoonosis you see rabies killing people and children brutally."
ALL of the quotes you just pulled support that. You are being intellectually dishonest.
All of the links you posted state that rabies deaths are exponentially higher outside of the developed world. Within the developed world, rabies deaths are almost zero. That is the point of the rabies comparison. There really is no correlation between the death rate in an undeveloped part of the world and a developed part of the world with top notch medical facilities.
I see. So you say the only way rabies is treatable is if they are treated before infection:
This does not say that rabies is treatable.
...as long as they get a vaccine before they actually GET rabies.
Once again, he clearly and specifically posted that there is an almost 100% kill rate following infection.
The quotes you are pulling clearly and specifically state they are referring to the time before infection.
I give you quotes from the CDC showing your statement is demonstrably false and that it is only fatal after both infection AND symptoms, and you still plug your ears:
Once a person begins to exhibit signs of the disease, survival is rare. To date less than 10 documented cases of human survival from clinical rabies have been reported and only two have not had a history of pre- or postexposure prophylaxis."
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/symptoms/
Thanks for proving my point about the partisan approach to discussions.
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I see. So you say the only way rabies is treatable is if they are treated before infection:
Right from your quote:
"To date less than 10 documented cases of human survival from clinical rabies have been reported and only two have not had a history of pre- or postexposure prophylaxis."
You just posted this.
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Right from your quote:
"To date less than 10 documented cases of human survival from clinical rabies have been reported and only two have not had a history of pre- or postexposure prophylaxis."
You just posted this.
Yes, Al, people who are infected and show signs and symptoms rarely survive. People who are treated in the U.S. after infection, but before they develop symptoms, survive: "Once a person begins showing signs and symptoms of rabies, the disease is nearly always fatal. For this reason, anyone who may have a risk of contracting rabies should receive rabies vaccines for protection."
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rabies/basics/definition/con-20019900
Your contention "that there is an almost 100% kill rate following infection" is demonstrably false, but I'm about done repeating myself (and quoting the CDC, Mayo Clinic, etc.).
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Yes, Al, people who are infected and show signs and symptoms rarely survive. People who are treated in the U.S. after infection, but before they develop symptoms, survive: "Once a person begins showing signs and symptoms of rabies, the disease is nearly always fatal. For this reason, anyone who may have a risk of contracting rabies should receive rabies vaccines for protection."
From your Mayo Clinic link:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rabies/basics/treatment/con-20019900
There's no specific treatment for rabies infection. Though a small number of people have survived rabies, the disease is usually fatal. For that reason, if you think you've been exposed to rabies, you must get a series of shots to prevent the infection from taking hold.
Treatment for people bitten by animals with rabies
If you've been bitten by an animal that is known to have rabies, you'll receive a series of shots to prevent the rabies virus from infecting you.
So, this is right from the Mayo Clinic link you posted. It very specifically says that A) there is no treatment for rabies.B) It also very specifically uses the words "exposure" and "infection" in distinct ways. It very clearly says you can be exposed to rabies without being infected. Once you begin showing signs of rabies, you are infected. C)It very clearly states that once INFECTED by the rabies virus, not just exposed to it, the kill rate IS almost 100%.
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From your Mayo Clinic link:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rabies/basics/treatment/con-20019900
There's no specific treatment for rabies infection. Though a small number of people have survived rabies, the disease is usually fatal. For that reason, if you think you've been exposed to rabies, you must get a series of shots to prevent the infection from taking hold.
Treatment for people bitten by animals with rabies
If you've been bitten by an animal that is known to have rabies, you'll receive a series of shots to prevent the rabies virus from infecting you.
So, this is right from the Mayo Clinic link you posted. It very specifically says that A) there is no treatment for rabies.B) It also very specifically uses the words "exposure" and "infection" in distinct ways. It very clearly says you can be exposed to rabies without being infected. Once you begin showing signs of rabies, you are infected. C)It very clearly states that once INFECTED by the rabies virus, not just exposed to it, the kill rate IS almost 100%.
You can be infected but not symptomatic. Nothing in the links and quotes I gave you says it is 100 percent fatal after infection but before symptoms.
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Jesus H Christ
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Jesus H Christ
True - Obama's failed presidency is in completely collapse
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You can be infected but not symptomatic. Nothing in the links and quotes I gave you says it is 100 percent fatal after infection but before symptoms.
LOL.
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You can be infected but not symptomatic. Nothing in the links and quotes I gave you says it is 100 percent fatal after infection but before symptoms.
Hey BB, have you considered that your understanding of "infected" and the technical meaning of the term "infected" are different?
Seems like others are making a distinction between exposure and infection and you're not; If I'm correctly reading what the others have written it sees that they're saying that when one is bitten by a rabid dog one is exposed to rabies but not yet infected.
You seem to be thinking that if a rabid dog bites you, then you are immediately infected.
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Hey BB, have you considered that your understanding of "infected" and the technical meaning of the term "infected" are different?
Seems like others are making a distinction between exposure and infection and you're not; If I'm correctly reading what the others have written it sees that they're saying that when one is bitten by a rabid dog one is exposed to rabies but not yet infected.
You seem to be thinking that if a rabid dog bites you, then you are immediately infected.
Possibly. Others have said there is a 100 percent kill rate if infected. That contradicts what I have read, but I don't know if there is some medical distinction that is different from the commonly understood use of that word. I doubt it. And if I cared enough I'd ask someone, but I don't care enough.
No, I don't think you are immediately infected if you are bitten by a rabid dog. I think you are infected once a rabid dog bites you and transmits the virus to you. What happens after that is what determines whether you die (i.e., treatment before symptoms). That is precisely what the CDC and Mayo Clinic info says.
But think about how stupid this is. We're talking about someone being bitten by a rabid dog or wild animal and contracting a disease, that is not transmitted from human-to-human in the U.S., in the context of people being exposed to a deadly virus with no cure, where the transmission is from human-to-human.
The lengths people go through to deflect what they think is negative attention away from the president is just crazy.
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Possibly. Others have said there is a 100 percent kill rate if infected. That contradicts what I have read, but I don't know if there is some medical distinction that is different from the commonly understood use of that word. I doubt it. And if I cared enough I'd ask someone, but I don't care enough.
No, I don't think you are immediately infected if you are bitten by a rabid dog. I think you are infected once a rabid dog bites you and transmits the virus to you. What happens after that is what determines whether you die (i.e., treatment before symptoms). That is precisely what the CDC and Mayo Clinic info says.
But think about how stupid this is. We're talking about someone being bitten by a rabid dog or wild animal and contracting a disease, that is not transmitted from human-to-human in the U.S., in the context of people being exposed to a deadly virus with no cure, where the transmission is from human-to-human.
The lengths people go through to deflect what they think is negative attention away from the president is just crazy.
So you think that if the rabies virus from the dog that bites you enters your body that means you're immediately infected? That doesn't seem to be right. Aren't viruses essentially something like a few lines of code that enters cells' software to cause the affected cells to do create more copies of the virus (as well as other, often bad, effects)? I don't think this process is instantaneous.
Comparing rabies to ebola doesn't seem stupid to me. The biggest difference is that there is a vaccine for one but not yet for the other. Besides that, though, both rabies are similarly highly lethal and similarly not very contagious. (Rabies is a little more lethal and Ebola is a little more contagious.)
Rabies and Ebola are usually contracted in different ways but I'd be willing to bet that if someone with Ebola who's showing symptoms bites you and breaks the skin you could contract Ebola this way. I'd also be willing to be that if you get the blood or vomit from a person with rabies on your mucous membranes that you could contract rabies that way.
Finally, what Obama thinks about Ebola has nothing to do with my opinion. Any president would likely downplay the danger just to keep everyone calm, I'll buy that. But that doesn't mean that there's much to worry about.
The reason I'm not convinced that Ebola is a big deal yet is that just because it's causing a pretty big problem in a few of the less developed countries Africa doesn't mean that much will happen here in the USA. I mean, shoot, African folks are still dying of Cholera these days and I'll be damned if I'm gonna worry about that shit.
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So you think that if the rabies virus from the dog that bites you enters your body that means you're immediately infected? That doesn't seem to be right. Aren't viruses essentially something like a few lines of code that enters cells' software to cause the affected cells to do create more copies of the virus (as well as other, often bad, effects)? I don't think this process is instantaneous.
Comparing rabies to ebola doesn't seem stupid to me. The biggest difference is that there is a vaccine for one but not yet for the other. Besides that, though, both rabies are similarly highly lethal and similarly not very contagious. (Rabies is a little more lethal and Ebola is a little more contagious.)
Rabies and Ebola are usually contracted in different ways but I'd be willing to bet that if someone with Ebola who's showing symptoms bites you and breaks the skin you could contract Ebola this way. I'd also be willing to be that if you get the blood or vomit from a person with rabies on your mucous membranes that you could contract rabies that way.
Finally, what Obama thinks about Ebola has nothing to do with my opinion. Any president would likely downplay the danger just to keep everyone calm, I'll buy that. But that doesn't mean that there's much to worry about.
The reason I'm not convinced that Ebola is a big deal yet is that just because it's causing a pretty big problem in a few of the less developed countries Africa doesn't mean that much will happen here in the USA. I mean, shoot, African folks are still dying of Cholera these days and I'll be damned if I'm gonna worry about that shit.
The biggest difference other than there being no cure is you have to be bitten by a wild animal or rabid dog and it is not transmitted between humans in the U.S. Now that is the absolute last thing I am saying about that stupid comparison. lol
Non-contagious diseases in the Third World do not concern me. Highly contagious diseases with no cure that arrive on our doorstep do.
Obama would downplay anything because he's dishonest, like calling Al Qaeda a JV team to help him get reelected. We could probably have 100 people die from this in the next month in the U.S. and he'd still be running around like Baghdad Bob.
But as I said, I don't think he is responsible for the outbreak and don't believe anyone should be panicking. We also shouldn't act like this is no big deal. It is.
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Hagel orders 21-day quarantine for all military personnel returning from Ebola mission in West Africa
Published October 29, 2014
FoxNews.com
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has ordered all military personnel returning from Ebola response missions in West Africa to be held in a 21-day quarantine.
Hagel signed the order Wednesday morning, accepting a recommendation from the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The Army days earlier had imposed such a policy on its own servicemembers, but the new order applies to all branches.
"The fact is the military will have more Americans in Liberia than any other department," Hagel said, explaining his decision at Wednesday's "Washington Ideas Forum." He also said military families had discussed the idea, and "very much wanted a safety valve on this."
The decision by Hagel further drives the divisions among the White House -- which has downplayed the need for mandatory quarantines -- and a range of other policymakers, particularly at the state level.
California, the latest state to enact a tighter policy than the federal government, on Wednesday announced a 21-day quarantine for travelers from the hot-zone in West Africa who came in contact with infected individuals.
In Maine, the returning nurse who battled New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie over her mandatory quarantine also is now battling her home state after returning to Maine.
Maine health officials are in the process of filing a court order to force Kaci Hickox to comply with the state's "voluntary" 21-day quarantine period for health care workers who treated Ebola patients. Hickox, on Wednesday, told NBC's "Today" that she doesn't "plan on sticking to the guidelines" and is "appalled" by the home quarantine policies "forced" on her.
"I truly believe this policy is not scientifically nor constitutionally just, and so I'm not going to sit around and be bullied around by politicians and be forced to stay in my home when I am not a risk to the American public," she said, saying she's in "perfectly good health."
President Obama and his top health advisers also have played down the need for blanket quarantine policies for health care workers. The White House, though, has left open the door for the Pentagon to impose its own policies, arguing that the military and health workers are two entirely separate issues.
Hagel noted, for instance, that many of those in the military are not "volunteers" for the Ebola mission.
Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said the number of troops quarantined at a base in Italy is now at 42, up from 11 a day earlier.
A statement issued from the Pentagon said all returning servicemembers would be subjected to a 21-day "controlled monitoring," which is effectively a quarantine.
Hagel ordered the Joint Chiefs to develop a detailed implementation plan for review within 15 days.
He also wants the Joint Chiefs to conduct a review of the new policies within 45 days -- from there, they'll determine whether to continue the quarantines.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/29/hagel-orders-21-day-quarantine-for-all-military-personnel-returning-from-ebola/
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Posted on October 28, 2014 at 11:07:43 PM EDT by knak
TRENTON — After days of blistering criticism from the ACLU, the CDC and even the United Nations secretary general over Gov. Chris Christie’s new, 21-day mandatory quarantine policy for all healthcare workers exposed to Ebola, the New Jersey governor has gotten a much-needed vote of support from a heavyweight name in the medical community: Nobel Prize-winning doctor and medical researcher, Dr. Bruce Beutler.
Dr. Beutler, an American medical doctor and researcher, won the Nobel Prize for Medicine and Physiology in 2011 for his work researching the cellular subsystem of the body’s overall immune system — the part of it that defends the body from infection by other organisms, like Ebola.
snip: It may not be absolutely true that those without symptoms can’t transmit the disease, because we don’t have the numbers to back that up,” said Beutler, “It could be people develop significant viremia [where viruses enter the bloodstream and gain access to the rest of the body], and become able to transmit the disease before they have a fever, even. People may have said that without symptoms you can’t transmit Ebola. I’m not sure about that being 100 percent true. There’s a lot of variation with viruses.”
(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...
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Hagel orders 21-day quarantine for all military personnel returning from Ebola mission in West Africa
Published October 29, 2014
FoxNews.com
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has ordered all military personnel returning from Ebola response missions in West Africa to be held in a 21-day quarantine.
It should be the situation for ALL people coming from those countries. This is a step in the right direction.
They still get paid, and yes, it's boring to be quarantined. But they might be carrying a disease which could KILL millions of Americans. And they receive 24/7 observation, so they're instantly treated at the first sign - and we see in USA, that means you live 100% of the time. Only the dick that was refused from TX hospital has died here from it.
makes me sick to see the NYC doctor lie about his movements.
makes me sick to see infected nurse fly to wedding party, shutting down OH schools for a week.
makes me sick to see this nurse refusing to accept a 21 day quarantine... it's more inportant for her to go to her favorite starbucks in the morning, than to just chill for a week or three (with full pay, mind you), to make sure she isn't carrying an illness which can easily kill milllions.
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Possibly. Others have said there is a 100 percent kill rate if infected. That contradicts what I have read, but I don't know if there is some medical distinction that is different from the commonly understood use of that word.
But you've been making the distinction yo' own damn self! You keep saying "Dur, only after being symptomatic..." Da fuq you think that means?
And the rabies comparison is valid and correct. Millions of people aren't going to die here because of ebola, just like there will never be a rabies plague here. America is not West Africa. In fact, there are West African nations that don't have a lot to fear.
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Oh hey, BB, thought you might be interested in this part of the following article:
Fruit bats, a delicacy for some West Africans, are considered to be virus's natural host
Hmmm, now what other disease does that remind you of? lol
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29822303 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29822303)
Ebola crisis: Infections 'slowing in Liberia'
The World Health Organization (WHO) says there has been a decline in the spread of Ebola in Liberia, the country hardest hit in the outbreak.
The WHO's Bruce Aylward said it was confident the response to the virus was now gaining the upper hand.
But he warned against any suggestion that the crisis was over.
More at link...
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But you've been making the distinction yo' own damn self! You keep saying "Dur, only after being symptomatic..." Da fuq you think that means?
And the rabies comparison is valid and correct. Millions of people aren't going to die here because of ebola, just like there will never be a rabies plague here. America is not West Africa. In fact, there are West African nations that don't have a lot to fear.
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Who said millions are going to die here because of Ebola? It hasn't killed that many in Africa. Tripping all over yourself with hyperbole.
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Oh hey, BB, thought you might be interested in this part of the following article:
Fruit bats, a delicacy for some West Africans, are considered to be virus's natural host
Hmmm, now what other disease does that remind you of? lol
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29822303 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29822303)
Ebola crisis: Infections 'slowing in Liberia'
The World Health Organization (WHO) says there has been a decline in the spread of Ebola in Liberia, the country hardest hit in the outbreak.
The WHO's Bruce Aylward said it was confident the response to the virus was now gaining the upper hand.
But he warned against any suggestion that the crisis was over.
More at link...
Why would I be interested in this?
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CHRIS CHRISTIE FIRES BACK AT OBAMA: WE NEED LEADERSHIP ON EBOLA NOT LECTURES [Not his BFF anymore]
Breitbart ^ | 10/30/2014 | by CHARLIE SPIERING
Posted on 10/30/2014 1:39:30 PM by SeekAndFind
Governor Chris Christie explained to local reporters that he was confident with his quarantine policy to combat Ebola in spite of pressure from the Obama administration, explaining that his policy was based on “common sense.”
“If you’ve been a healthcare worker who’s been directly exposed to the virus, active virus, and you come back to the U.S. you should quarantine for 21 days,” he said simply.
Referring to Obama’s statement on the quarantine issue, Christie alluded that he was tired of being lectured for taking action in his state. “I don’t know when the White House is going to get around to admitting that and not giving us seven minute lectures from the South Lawn, and just get to work,” he said.
Christie argued that the American people were anxious to have their leaders set a defined policy.
“New Jersey is proud to lead on this, to lead in the area of common sense. That’s what we’re doing and we’re not changing,” he explained.
To defend his policy, Christie referred to the 21 day quarantine for soldiers in the United States military as ordered by the Department of Defense.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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Obama's quarantine remarks draw fire from military spouses
The Hill ^ | October 30, 2014 | By Kristina Wong
Posted on 10/30/2014 12:30:58 PM by Oldeconomybuyer
... The president's comments sparked immediate criticism online, including from military spouses who said soldiers were also "volunteers" whose time away from family and loved ones was not any less valuable than for civilian volunteers.
"The President's comments on the differences between the quarantine policies for members of the military and civilian volunteers seemed to dismiss the fact that every member of military has, indeed, volunteered to serve," said Rebekah Gleaves Sanderlin, Army wife and board member for the Military Family Advisory Network.
"In pointing out that the civilian volunteers would be sacrificing time away from their families, the President failed to consider that military members also have families and in this, our 13th year of war, most have already sacrificed years away from their homes and the people they love," Gleaves said.
Susan Reynolds, an Air Force spouse and columnist whose husband is based at Fort Bragg in North Carolina and is deploying to Liberia on Saturday with Army soldiers, said she was also offended.
"We are an all-volunteer force. To say that we're not volunteers as well is insulting to us. To say that those healthcare workers' time with their families is more valuable than the time that my husband spends with me and our son — it's very insulting," she said.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
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I don't know about this one. It's true they volunteered to serve, but where they serve after they join is not voluntary, so he's technically correct.
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Wow, i was curious how hed handle the difference between the civilians amd the military....
Quite the botched job. Complete incompetence.
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Why would I be interested in this?
Because it says that bats (the flying mammal) are the natural hosts of Ebola. Just like they are for Rabies.
(Told ya so, ya silly mofo.)
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Wow, i was curious how hed handle the difference between the civilians amd the military....
Quite the botched job. Complete incompetence.
You sure?
Are the civilian doctors still drawing a paycheck while being quarantined? I'm sure the military guys are.
I'd be careful about taking unnecessary measures that would discourage western doctors from going to Africa to try to squash Ebola at its source.
The point some are making that we're the safest if we stop Ebola from being a big problem in West Africa.
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this idiot nurse riding her bike for the cameras, smiling and happy she blew off public safety. sickening.
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this idiot nurse riding her bike for the cameras, smiling and happy she blew off public safety. sickening.
She and her fag bf are libs - what do you expect?
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She and her fag bf are libs - what do you expect?
Can you throw Gov Christie into that 3-way also?
He was the one that released her from the hospital due to 'media pressure'.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=554037.0
If it was up to you or me, her ignorant ass would be in jail for 3 weeks for endangering the public. She's riding bikes and spreading her saliva at starbucks, after spending months knee deep in ebola piss and shit. Not cool.
All she had to do was stay at HOME for 3 weeks - and still get paid for it. She could just make the sacrifice and do her cardio in her home for 3 weeks. I'm sure the govt would have given her a stationairy bike if she requested it. But no, she got a lawyer, probably writing a book and angling for an MSNBC show too.
Thanks, Chris Christie Obama!
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You sure?
Are the civilian doctors still drawing a paycheck while being quarantined? I'm sure the military guys are.
I'd be careful about taking unnecessary measures that would discourage western doctors from going to Africa to try to squash Ebola at its source.
The point some are making that we're the safest if we stop Ebola from being a big problem in West Africa.
yeah, im sure.
Better not quarantine the guys who ACTUALLY handled ebola because then docs might not go help if they know theyre going to have to spend another whopping 21 days in isolation to ensure they didnt bring back ebola, but fuck the military guys who most likely didnt touch it directly, they can suck it and sit in quarantinr because theyre potentially dangerous dammit.
In what world does that make sense? Either EVERYONE who was near the shit gets quarantined for the same time, or NO ONE does.
Quarantine shouldnt be a political tool, or a negotiating stick, its a fucking procedure to prevent the spread of infectious disease.
If the woman cared so fucking much about helping Africans and stopping the virus, why didnt she gladly sit in quarantine for a couple weeks to ensure that she wasnt propagating it?
It boggles the mind, the choices and rationalization going on
Fuck it, pay her her 3 weeks of pay if her salary wouldnt cover it (which it was).
Just incompetence all around IMHO.
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yeah, im sure.
Better not quarantine the guys who ACTUALLY handled ebola because then docs might not go help if they know theyre going to have to spend another whopping 21 days in isolation to ensure they didnt bring back ebola, but fuck the military guys who most likely didnt touch it directly, they can suck it and sit in quarantinr because theyre potentially dangerous dammit.
In what world does that make sense? Either EVERYONE who was near the shit gets quarantined for the same time, or NO ONE does.
Quarantine shouldnt be a political tool, or a negotiating stick, its a fucking procedure to prevent the spread of infectious disease.
If the woman cared so fucking much about helping Africans and stopping the virus, why didnt she gladly sit in quarantine for a couple weeks to ensure that she wasnt propagating it?
It boggles the mind, the choices and rationalization going on
Fuck it, pay her her 3 weeks of pay if her salary wouldnt cover it (which it was).
Just incompetence all around IMHO.
Because she KNOWS it's not contagious unless symptoms are showing. So to her, it's like she's having to take medical advice from folks that don't know shit about it. I think it's great that she's standing up and saying in no uncertain terms that those in favor of involuntarily quarantining health professionals who aren't ill don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. (Which is what you should have said when that nurse gave you that 18g pin for a glute shot, lol.) (Sorry, I can't stop thinking about that -- I'm a pussy and won't use anything bigger than a 23g myself -- You need to stick some of those 18g pins in that nurses tires, if you ask me.)
As far as the difference between a civilian health professional and some military guy who's drawn the short straw and had to help over there (excepting military doc's and nurses), the health pro's, particularly the ones who've been personally witnessing folks dying, are highly, highly unlikely to ignore any signs of infections in themselves whereas I could see a selfish military guy (like Dante from Clerks) thinking to themselves "I'm not even supposed to be here" and ignoring a low-grade fever in the hopes that it will turn out to be harmless.
So, yeah, if you have civilian medical pro's coming back who are mentally or terminally ill, quarantine them against their will. I don't think you need to do that with them otherwise. The disease is just not that contagious.
BTW, what rationale do you have for thinking that if military personnel have to do something, then a civilian does? Military folks are always having to involuntarily do shit that civilians can refuse to do.
I get that folks are irrationally afraid of Ebola but holy shit, if that male doctor in NY and that black guy in Dallas (who eventually died) can fuck their girls before showing symptoms and yet not infect them (the girls) Ebola cannot be very contagious and, imo, it's not worth quarantining folks who aren't ill.
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Because it says that bats (the flying mammal) are the natural hosts of Ebola. Just like they are for Rabies.
(Told ya so, ya silly mofo.)
Who the heck cares? Other than Simpleton Simon?
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Because she KNOWS it's not contagious unless symptoms are showing. So to her, it's like she's having to take medical advice from folks that don't know shit about it. I think it's great that she's standing up and saying in no uncertain terms that those in favor of involuntarily quarantining health professionals who aren't ill don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. (Which is what you should have said when that nurse gave you that 18g pin for a glute shot, lol.) (Sorry, I can't stop thinking about that -- I'm a pussy and won't use anything bigger than a 23g myself -- You need to stick some of those 18g pins in that nurses tires, if you ask me.)
As far as the difference between a civilian health professional and some military guy who's drawn the short straw and had to help over there (excepting military doc's and nurses), the health pro's, particularly the ones who've been personally witnessing folks dying, are highly, highly unlikely to ignore any signs of infections in themselves whereas I could see a selfish military guy (like Dante from Clerks) thinking to themselves "I'm not even supposed to be here" and ignoring a low-grade fever in the hopes that it will turn out to be harmless.
So, yeah, if you have civilian medical pro's coming back who are mentally or terminally ill, quarantine them against their will. I don't think you need to do that with them otherwise. The disease is just not that contagious.
BTW, what rationale do you have for thinking that if military personnel have to do something, then a civilian does? Military folks are always having to involuntarily do shit that civilians can refuse to do.
I get that folks are irrationally afraid of Ebola but holy shit, if that male doctor in NY and that black guy in Dallas (who eventually died) can fuck their girls before showing symptoms and yet not infect them (the girls) Ebola cannot be very contagious and, imo, it's not worth quarantining folks who aren't ill.
because the rationale has nothing to do with 'well hes military so he has to do something even if he diesnt want to'
The rationale being 'were taking extra precautions to make sure the disease doesnt spread.' Either that goes for everyone who may have come in contact or it doesnt.
It makes zero logical sense to quarantine a certain group of people but not another group when theyve both been exposed either way. Either everyone needs to be quarantined; or no one does.
Your medical pro arguement has already proven to be bullshit; weve had how many medical professionals now catch it, and either misdiagnose it or flat out ignore it? Hell, its already happened 3 times in the western countries ALONE.
The 'well the Marine might ignore a low grade fever but a medical pro wouldnt' has also proven to be false, and just as much logic could be used the other way. Remember the nurse who flew to chicago with symptoms?
'Well, im a medical pro, i know my shit, my fever isnt high, im not Ebola range, im fine.' Or even further 'well my fevers high, but not quite ebola range, but i followed all my safety protocols and am a medical professional, its probably just the flu'.
See how that works?
Regardless, thats all side bullshit anyway. Either people who have been exposed coming back in need to be quarantined or they dont. No special treatment when it comes to infectious disease, that invalidates the whole idea of a fucking quarantine.
When the whole idea is to have a procedure to stop the spread of infectious disease, you dont pick who follows the procedure and who doesnt. Either everone goes through the same shit because theyve been exposed, or its not necessary for anyone.
You dont get to cherry pick who gets to excuse themselves and who doesnt just because they might have a better understanding or a little more education. Procedure is procedure, either youve beem exposed or you havent.
IMO All the other bullshit is apologist nonsense on why there is no consistency with whats going, trying to make excuses for why this has been handled in a comically haphazard and inept manner.
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because the rationale has nothing to do with 'well hes military so he has to do something even if he diesnt want to'
The rationale being 'were taking extra precautions to make sure the disease doesnt spread.' Either that goes for everyone who may have come in contact or it doesnt.
It makes zero logical sense to quarantine a certain group of people but not another group when theyve both been exposed either way. Either everyone needs to be quarantined; or no one does.
Your medical pro arguement has already proven to be bullshit; weve had how many medical professionals now catch it, and either misdiagnose it or flat out ignore it? Hell, its already happened 3 times in the western countries ALONE.
The 'well the Marine might ignore a low grade fever but a medical pro wouldnt' has also proven to be false, and just as much logic could be used the other way. Remember the nurse who flew to chicago with symptoms?
'Well, im a medical pro, i know my shit, my fever isnt high, im not Ebola range, im fine.' Or even further 'well my fevers high, but not quite ebola range, but i followed all my safety protocols and am a medical professional, its probably just the flu'.
See how that works?
Regardless, thats all side bullshit anyway. Either people who have been exposed coming back in need to be quarantined or they dont. No special treatment when it comes to infectious disease, that invalidates the whole idea of a fucking quarantine.
When the whole idea is to have a procedure to stop the spread of infectious disease, you dont pick who follows the procedure and who doesnt. Either everone goes through the same shit because theyve been exposed, or its not necessary for anyone.
You dont get to cherry pick who gets to excuse themselves and who doesnt just because they might have a better understanding or a little more education. Procedure is procedure, either youve beem exposed or you havent.
IMO All the other bullshit is apologist nonsense on why there is no consistency with whats going, trying to make excuses for why this has been handled in a comically haphazard and inept manner.
Respectfully, I disagree.
The groups are not the same so why should the rules be the same? i admit that I don't know the accepted practices for when and who to quarantine so this is all just logical argument on my part.
You aren't saying that you think it's reasonable to expect that military guys with no medical training would be as competent at self-diagnosing Ebola as trained medical folks, are you? Because no fucking way.
So I think it comes down to judging whether it's an acceptable risk to trust that the folks who won't be quarantined will follow the proper self-monitoring protocol.
And when it comes to trust...We're not talking about the fat, selfish, not-giving-a-shit nurses who gave you the 18G pin without a care in the world about the self-biopsy that would surely result. We're talking about admirable medical folks who are motivated to go to another country to help fight a disease that's killing thousands. Am I putting them up on a pedestal when I think we can trust them to be responsible without quarantining them? I don't think so.
You do seem to be following this a little more closely than I am, though; Who are the 3 medical pro's who misdiagnosed themselves?
As far as apologist nonsense to provide cover for gov't missteps (or whatever), that absolutely doesn't apply to me here. I'm just chiming in with what seems right to me. Being needlessly scared over some disease that's not very contagious (and holy shit, if you can be infected while not showing signs and fuck your girl and she doesn't catch it then it's not very contagious) to the point where you take away the freedom of folks that are fighting the disease seems retarded. (Unless there's a much bigger pool of folks that want to go overseas than I think, anyway.)
Lastly, aren't there a bunch of lab folks who deal with Ebola and other pathogens just as contagious and lethal as Ebola for their jobs (at CDC or big university labs or secret bio-weapons labs)?
Do we quarantine them or do they go home from work every day? If they go home every day, is it because the protocols they follow lower the risk to levels where not quarantining them is acceptable?
Anyway, I'll try to look up quarantine practices and see what's been done in the past.
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Who the heck cares? Other than Simpleton Simon?
Haha.
You've said that comparing Ebola and Rabies was "stupid" and now you're embarrassed to be wrong so you're calling names, lol.
I think you're confusing child-ish with child-like. (One is cute, the other is pathetic.)
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http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/03/bioshield-obama-diverted-funds-from-its-fight-against-ebola-other-threats
Obama's fault
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http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/03/bioshield-obama-diverted-funds-from-its-fight-against-ebola-other-threats
Obama's fault
It's obamas fault that a virus that has existed in africa for decades caused an outbreak due to morons eating fucking bats and shitting in the streets? lol. Good funding for that bullshit should be slashed and put to a better use like actual things that are a problem, like the amt of people that die from influenza each year in the US. you know in the tens of thousands ::)
You love just piling on bullshit, what will we do without protection from all the anthrax and smallpox attacks? we are all going to die.
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It's obamas fault that a virus that has existed in africa for decades caused an outbreak due to morons eating fucking bats and shitting in the streets? lol. Good funding for that bullshit should be slashed and put to a better use like actual things that are a problem, like the amt of people that die from influenza each year in the US. you know in the tens of thousands ::)
You love just piling on bullshit, what will we do without protection from all the anthrax and smallpox attacks? we are all going to die.
Michelle Obama spreads more toxic gas with her flatulence as a result of gorging down copius amounts of beef, caviars, chooms, pot, coke, cakes, pastries, sausages, etc - where is the funding for dealing with that? :D ;D
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It's obamas fault that a virus that has existed in africa for decades caused an outbreak due to morons eating fucking bats and shitting in the streets? lol.
Yeah, it did get squashed pretty quickly in the USA thanks to modern medicine. The only person that died, well, he was rejected by a TX hospital for a week - by the time he called CDC, he was in late stages of flesh eating.
It'll be funny to see Repubs in congress come back (the day after the election) and criticize obama for this or that, regarding Ebola. They were silent on it. No actions, no statements, no votes - but they'll find a way to shit on obama for essentially stopping it (so far) without the economic and logistical impact of flight limitations.
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Haha.
You've said that comparing Ebola and Rabies was "stupid" and now you're embarrassed to be wrong so you're calling names, lol.
I think you're confusing child-ish with child-like. (One is cute, the other is pathetic.)
It is stupid. Why would I be embarrassed about anything posted on a message board? And where in that story did they compare rabies to Ebola? ::) You really do engage in projection. You act like a butt-hurt baby.
Newsflash Simpleton Simon: this is not real life. It's only the internet.
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It is stupid. Why would I be embarrassed about anything posted on a message board? And where in that story did they compare rabies to Ebola? ::) You really do engage in projection. You act like a butt-hurt baby.
Newsflash Simpleton Simon: this is not real life. It's only the internet.
I'm embarrassed for you, then.
Please try to do better.
Thanks.
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You might be even dumber than I thought. :-\
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/31/obamas-border-policy-fueled-epidemic-evidence-shows
One Man Plague >:( >:( >:(
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Michelle Obama spreads more toxic gas with her flatulence as a result of gorging down copius amounts of beef, caviars, chooms, pot, coke, cakes, pastries, sausages, etc - where is the funding for dealing with that? :D ;D
cool story bro
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You might be even dumber than I thought. :-\
Your name-calling is disappointing to me and your family.
Please try to control yourself.
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At this day, what is the death toll from Ebola of Americans in the US?
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At this day, what is the death toll from Ebola of Americans in the US?
Stop all flights, all travel, lock the place down.
What i find funny is people are acting like ebola was just discovered or something, I get it;s a bad outbreak but the areas of outbreak are literally the worst places. In Monrovia they are drinking piss water of the infected.
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At this day, what is the death toll from Ebola of Americans in the US?
One. The dude from Africa that sat home puking/crapping. He tried 3x to enter the hospital in TX, but their governor has made things so difficult at times... Well, it was too late to help him.
outside of that, nobody else has died.
I guess all of us (including me) screaming loudly about the need to shut down air flights from Africa, well, we were wrong.
Sorry bout that. Over-reaction, I guess.
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One. The dude from Africa that sat home puking/crapping. He tried 3x to enter the hospital in TX, but their governor has made things so difficult at times... Well, it was too late to help him.
outside of that, nobody else has died.
I guess all of us (including me) screaming loudly about the need to shut down air flights from Africa, well, we were wrong.
Sorry bout that. Over-reaction, I guess.
im still on the fence.
Its calmed down, it seems, but we literally have stopped hearing any news about it so its tough to tell.
Last i heard, there were 4 or 5 different 'possible infections' in 3 differwnt states.... then it just got quiet.
Didnt really keep up with it.
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so now you are suspicious about the lack of coverage?
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so now you are suspicious about the lack of coverage?
Obama coming to America from Africa has had a far worse impact on this nation than Ebola coming over from Africa. :D ;D ;)
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Obama coming to America from Africa has had a far worse impact on this nation than Ebola coming over from Africa. :D ;D ;)
oh thats cool bro
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Obama coming to America from Africa has had a far worse impact on this nation than Ebola coming over from Africa. :D ;D ;)
;D
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so now you are suspicious about the lack of coverage?
Not at all.
I'm saying since I haven't been actively following as much anymore I I don't know whats going on.
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Not at all.
I'm saying since I haven't been actively following as much anymore I I don't know whats going on.
It did seem to have a lot of headlines initially, since...the bottom sort of fell out and now they are talking about how cold it is in Boston and Maine. Glad I live between Los Angeles and Puerto Rico