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Not surprised.
Gallup Poll: Pro-Choice Support Hits All-Time Low
Wednesday, 23 May 2012
By Henry J. Reske
The number of Americans identifying themselves as pro-choice has hit a record low of 41 percent while those identifying as pro-life now stands at 50 percent, according to a new Gallup poll.
The previous low for the pro-choice label was 42 percent recorded in May 2009, when Gallup also reported 51 percent identifying as pro-life. Gallup has been polling on the question since 1995, when 56 percent said they were pro-choice and 33 percent pro-life. The gap has narrowed over the years to a point where they are relatively close in polls.
The poll result was welcomed by anti-abortion supporters. "There is a growing uneasiness across America regarding the poorly regulated abortion industry and the presence of an abortion mandate and an abortion-inducing drug mandate in the healthcare law. Americans value life, and this poll reflects that," Kristi Hamrick of Americans United for Life told Newsmax.
"Americans are even more pro-life than the growing gulf illustrates in the Gallup poll," she added.
"During the healthcare debates we saw that 7 in 10 Americans — pro-life and pro-choice — did not want to see their tax monies going to subsidize abortion, and we've seen tremendous support for common sense limits on abortion, such as limiting abortion after 20 weeks because of the health risks to women of a late-term procedure and requirements to involve loving adults in the abortion decisions of young girls.
"We also know that when it comes to voting, those motivated to protect life vote 2 to 1 compared to those who want unfettered, unregulated abortion," Hamrick added.
"Americans share AUL's belief that everyone should be welcomed in life and protected in law."
Gallup has found the pro-life position significantly ahead on two occasions, once in May 2009 and again today, the pollsters reported. “It remains to be seen whether the pro-life spike found this month proves temporary, as it did in 2009, or is sustained for some period.”
Gallup, which polled 1,024 adults from May 3 through 6, has found that since 2001 Republicans have consistently reported being pro-life while independents have been closely divided on the issue since 2009.
“Democrats' views on abortion have changed the least over the past 12 years, with roughly 60 percent calling themselves pro-choice and about a third pro-life,” Gallup found.
In reporting the numbers, Gallup noted that abortion has factored into a number of significant news stories in the past year including congressional efforts to end funding for Planned Parenthood and the Susan G. Komen for the Cure breast cancer group’s suspension of funding for the group. Additionally, the Obama administration’s attempt to mandate contraceptive coverage in health plans for religious institutions such as Catholic hospitals and colleges also touched on abortion.
“Whether any of these controversies is related to the shift in Americans' identification as pro-choice or pro-life is not clear,” Gallup said.
“However, it is notable that while Americans' labeling of their position has changed, their fundamental views on the issue have not.”
Gallup polling has found that Americans views on the legality of abortion has held steady in the last decade.
“Gallup's longest-running measure of abortion views, established in 1975, asks Americans if abortion should be legal in all circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances,” Gallup wrote.
“Since 2001, at least half of Americans have consistently chosen the middle position, saying abortion should be legal under certain circumstances, and the 52 percent saying this today is similar to the 50 percent in May 2011. The 25 percent currently wanting abortion to be legal in all cases and the 20 percent in favor of making it illegal in all cases are similar to last year’s findings.”
Gallup now plans to explore Americans' views on abortion in greater depth later this year, polling on such things as gender, age, and other demographic variables.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/abortion-poll-prochoice-support/2012/05/23/id/440025
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hahaha like I have been saying for a while now, its only a matter of time before more laws are put in place limiting abortion procedures.
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hahaha like I have been saying for a while now, its only a matter of time before more laws are put in place limiting abortion procedures.
We've actually seen a number of limitations over the past ten years or so.
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This, however, seems to say very little about Americans’ support for abortion rights. There, views hold steady: 52 percent believe abortion should be legal under “certain circumstances,” a slight tick up from 50 percent in 2011
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hahaha like I have been saying for a while now, its only a matter of time before more laws are put in place limiting abortion procedures.
That's a good thing.
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Most liberals are killing off their kids anyway so it's only a matter of time.
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Not surprised.
Gallup Poll: Pro-Choice Support Hits All-Time Low
Wednesday, 23 May 2012
By Henry J. Reske
The number of Americans identifying themselves as pro-choice has hit a record low of 41 percent while those identifying as pro-life now stands at 50 percent, according to a new Gallup poll.
The previous low for the pro-choice label was 42 percent recorded in May 2009, when Gallup also reported 51 percent identifying as pro-life. Gallup has been polling on the question since 1995, when 56 percent said they were pro-choice and 33 percent pro-life. The gap has narrowed over the years to a point where they are relatively close in polls.
The poll result was welcomed by anti-abortion supporters. "There is a growing uneasiness across America regarding the poorly regulated abortion industry and the presence of an abortion mandate and an abortion-inducing drug mandate in the healthcare law. Americans value life, and this poll reflects that," Kristi Hamrick of Americans United for Life told Newsmax.
"Americans are even more pro-life than the growing gulf illustrates in the Gallup poll," she added.
"During the healthcare debates we saw that 7 in 10 Americans — pro-life and pro-choice — did not want to see their tax monies going to subsidize abortion, and we've seen tremendous support for common sense limits on abortion, such as limiting abortion after 20 weeks because of the health risks to women of a late-term procedure and requirements to involve loving adults in the abortion decisions of young girls.
"We also know that when it comes to voting, those motivated to protect life vote 2 to 1 compared to those who want unfettered, unregulated abortion," Hamrick added.
"Americans share AUL's belief that everyone should be welcomed in life and protected in law."
Gallup has found the pro-life position significantly ahead on two occasions, once in May 2009 and again today, the pollsters reported. “It remains to be seen whether the pro-life spike found this month proves temporary, as it did in 2009, or is sustained for some period.”
Gallup, which polled 1,024 adults from May 3 through 6, has found that since 2001 Republicans have consistently reported being pro-life while independents have been closely divided on the issue since 2009.
“Democrats' views on abortion have changed the least over the past 12 years, with roughly 60 percent calling themselves pro-choice and about a third pro-life,” Gallup found.
In reporting the numbers, Gallup noted that abortion has factored into a number of significant news stories in the past year including congressional efforts to end funding for Planned Parenthood and the Susan G. Komen for the Cure breast cancer group’s suspension of funding for the group. Additionally, the Obama administration’s attempt to mandate contraceptive coverage in health plans for religious institutions such as Catholic hospitals and colleges also touched on abortion.
“Whether any of these controversies is related to the shift in Americans' identification as pro-choice or pro-life is not clear,” Gallup said.
“However, it is notable that while Americans' labeling of their position has changed, their fundamental views on the issue have not.”
Gallup polling has found that Americans views on the legality of abortion has held steady in the last decade.
“Gallup's longest-running measure of abortion views, established in 1975, asks Americans if abortion should be legal in all circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances,” Gallup wrote.
“Since 2001, at least half of Americans have consistently chosen the middle position, saying abortion should be legal under certain circumstances, and the 52 percent saying this today is similar to the 50 percent in May 2011. The 25 percent currently wanting abortion to be legal in all cases and the 20 percent in favor of making it illegal in all cases are similar to last year’s findings.”
Gallup now plans to explore Americans' views on abortion in greater depth later this year, polling on such things as gender, age, and other demographic variables.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/abortion-poll-prochoice-support/2012/05/23/id/440025
It's ironic that you claim to care so much about human life and then support the shooting of unarmed minors.
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It's ironic that you claim to care so much about human life and then support the shooting of unarmed minors.
Really troll? News to me. ::)
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AMERICA NOW SOLIDLY 'PRO-LIFE'
Star Parker hails latest polling data showing reversal of stats from 16 years ago
by STAR PARKER
Do House Republicans risk being branded as extremist and out of touch by bringing abortion back into the national spotlight when supposedly the economy is all Americans care about today?
Thursday, Republicans brought to a vote in the House a bill introduced by Arizona Republican Trent Franks that would have criminalized abortion based on sex. Although the bill received healthy support, 246–168, including 20 Democrats that voted for it, it was not enough to pass. The floor rule under which the bill was considered required a two-thirds vote for passage, and it fell short of that.
New Gallup polling shows that bringing abortion back into the national debate may not be a bad political call for Republicans.
Whereas public opinion has moved in recent years against the conservative position opposing same-sex marriage, the opposite is true on abortion. On abortion, Americans have become decidedly more pro-life, moving in the direction of conservatives.
A just-released Gallup poll shows that now 50 percent identify as “pro-life,” compared to 41 percent as “pro-choice.” This is a complete reversal from 16 years ago in the mid-’90s when 56 percent were “pro-choice” and 38 percent “pro-life.”
Moreover, 51 percent now say abortion is morally wrong, compared to 38 percent who say it is morally acceptable.
Also of political interest is that independents are now on the “pro-life” side of the ledger, 47 percent identifying as “pro-life” compared to 41 percent “pro-choice.”
Years of relentless work by pro-life conservatives raising public awareness about the horror of abortion, coupled with the reality of unborn life being graphically conveyed by ultrasound, is making a difference.
This most recent House initiative to ban sex-selected abortion came in the wake of two notable events bringing public attention to this issue.
One was the recent arrival in our country of blind Chinese human-rights activist Chen Guangcheng.
Chen miraculously escaped prison in China, seeking asylum in the American embassy in Beijing. He had been imprisoned for over four years for his work bringing to public attention the horror stories associated with forced abortion and sterilization in China due to China’s one child policy.
According to data reported in 2009 in the Shanghai Daily, a state-operated newspaper in China, abortions performed in China annually exceed 13 million.
Also capturing public attention to the issue of sex-selected abortion was the release by pro-life activist group Live Action of an undercover video showing a Planned Parenthood counselor in Austin, Texas, providing counseling for doing a gender-selected abortion.
The young woman posing as a client seeking advice told the counselor she wanted to abort if the child she was carrying in her pregnancy turned out to be a girl. “… we want two, I already have a girl, and we want a boy and a girl.”
The Planned Parenthood counselor advises her to wait five months into her pregnancy when she can be assured of the sex of the child, and if it is a girl, abort her. The counselor also advises her how she can scam Medicaid to pay for her prenatal care under the guise that she intends to birth the child.
Those who insist that social, moral issues constitute an agenda separate and apart from economic issues should consider why socialist societies are secular and atheistic. We need not be limited to looking at China and the former Soviet Union to appreciate this. On display today is the tragic collapse of Europe, now largely secular, under the burdens of the unsustainable welfare state it has created.
It is societies that respect both life and property, societies in which the mystery of life is revered and respected, that nurture a culture of personal responsibility that make a free and prosperous nation possible.
Latest polling indicates good news that a majority of Americans are waking up to this fact.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/america-now-solidly-pro-life/
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Really troll? News to me. ::)
so wrong you calling someone a troll lol.
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so wrong you calling someone a troll lol.
lol. Yawn.
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lol. Yawn.
forgot your eye roll
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forgot your eye roll
Snore.
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Snore.
Fart.
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Fart.
lol ;D
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Judge says Arizona's abortion ban can take effect
Published July 30, 2012
Associated Press
PHOENIX – Arizona's ban on abortions starting at 20 weeks of pregnancy will take effect this week as scheduled after a federal judge ruled Monday that the new law is constitutional.
U.S. District Judge James Teilborg said the statute may prompt a few pregnant women who are considering abortion to make the decision earlier. But he said the law is constitutional because it doesn't prohibit any women from making the decision to end their pregnancies.
The judge also wrote that the state provided "substantial and well-documented" evidence that an unborn child has the capacity to feel pain during an abortion by at least 20 weeks.
The ban, set to take effect Thursday, is similar but not identical to those enacted by other states. It prohibits abortions starting at 20 weeks of pregnancy except in medical emergencies. That is a change from the current ban at viability, which is the ability to survive outside the womb and which generally is considered to be about 24 weeks. A normal pregnancy lasts about 40 weeks.
Republican Gov. Jan Brewer signed the ban into law in April, making Arizona one of 10 states to enact types of 20-week bans.
Teilborg held a hearing Wednesday on a request from abortion-rights groups that he temporarily block the law's enforcement.
The abortion-rights groups' lawyer said during the hearing that the ban crosses a clear line on what U.S. Supreme Court rulings permit, and it intrudes on women's health decisions at a key point in pregnancy. Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery said the state Legislature was justified in enacting the ban to protect the health of women and shield fetuses from pain.
A second Arizona anti-abortion law enacted earlier this year also faces a court challenge. That law would bar public funding for non-abortion health care provided by abortion doctors and clinics.
Both anti-abortion laws are among many approved by Arizona's Republican-led Legislature. The other laws include restrictions on clinic operations, mandates for specific disclosures and a prohibition on a type of late-term abortion.
Attorney Janet Crepps of the New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights argued at Wednesday's hearing that under Supreme Court decisions starting with the 1973 Roe vs. Wade ruling that legalized abortion, states can only regulate how abortions are performed, not ban them, before a fetus is viable.
Montgomery said that not implementing the 20-week ban would doom fetuses that might be saved due to advances in medicine.
While North Carolina has long had a 20-week ban, Nebraska in 2010 was the first state to recently enact one. Five more states followed in 2010: Alabama, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas and Oklahoma.
Along with Arizona, Georgia and Louisiana approved 20-week bans this year, though Georgia's doesn't take effect until 2013.
The Center for Reproductive Rights said none of the 20-week bans have so far been blocked by courts.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/30/judge-says-arizona-abortion-ban-can-take-effect/
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hahaha like I have been saying for a while now, its only a matter of time before more laws are put in place limiting abortion procedures.
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I believe Abortion is wrong. I'm not going to force my personal belief on anyone else though.
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I believe Abortion is wrong. I'm not going to force my personal belief on anyone else though.
Too bad fundies can't understand that
I would expect libertarians to fully agree with that
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Too bad fundies can't understand that
I would expect libertarians to fully agree with that
I actually am in favor of leftists killing off their offspring. No argument from me there.
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Too bad fundies can't understand that
I would expect libertarians to fully agree with that
Most libertarians used to be pro-choice, but Ron Paul has brought a bunch of pro-lifers into the libertarian movement now, so I THINK it's more evenly split now.
IMO, the legitimate libertarian position on abortion:
The proper groundwork for analysis of abortion is in every man’s absolute right of self-ownership. This implies immediately that every woman has the absolute right to her own body, that she has absolute dominion over her body and everything within it. This includes the fetus. Most fetuses are in the mother’s womb because the mother consents to this situation, but the fetus is there by the mother’s freely-granted consent. But should the mother decide that she does not want the fetus there any longer, then the fetus becomes a parasitic “invader” of her person, and the mother has the perfect right to expel this invader from her domain. Abortion should be looked upon, not as “murder” of a living person, but as the expulsion of an unwanted invader from the mother’s body.[2] Any laws restricting or prohibiting abortion are therefore invasions of the rights of mothers.
- Murray Rothbard, "The Ethics of Liberty" Chapter 14 http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp (http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp)
An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?
- Ayn Rand, "Of Living Death" http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html#order_1 (http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html#order_1)
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I actually am in favor of leftists killing off their offspring. No argument from me there.
So just say you're in favor of abortion
Btw. Its the red states like Mississippi that have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and unwed mother. I assume you're in favor of them having access to abortion since they clearly need it more than "leftist" and they are the ones who will be more of a financial drain on society
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These "polls" are so stupid.
From your OWN article.
“Since 2001, at least half of Americans have consistently chosen the middle position, saying abortion should be legal under certain circumstances, and the 52 percent saying this today is similar to the 50 percent in May 2011. The 25 percent currently wanting abortion to be legal in all cases and the 20 percent in favor of making it illegal in all cases are similar to last year’s findings.”
How does 52 percent say under circumstances equate to PRO-LIFE.
Obviously stupid wording.
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Most libertarians used to be pro-choice, but Ron Paul has brought a bunch of pro-lifers into the libertarian movement now, so I THINK it's more evenly split now.
IMO, the legitimate libertarian position on abortion:
The proper groundwork for analysis of abortion is in every man’s absolute right of self-ownership. This implies immediately that every woman has the absolute right to her own body, that she has absolute dominion over her body and everything within it. This includes the fetus. Most fetuses are in the mother’s womb because the mother consents to this situation, but the fetus is there by the mother’s freely-granted consent. But should the mother decide that she does not want the fetus there any longer, then the fetus becomes a parasitic “invader” of her person, and the mother has the perfect right to expel this invader from her domain. Abortion should be looked upon, not as “murder” of a living person, but as the expulsion of an unwanted invader from the mother’s body.[2] Any laws restricting or prohibiting abortion are therefore invasions of the rights of mothers.
- Murray Rothbard, "The Ethics of Liberty" Chapter 14 http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp (http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp)
An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?
- Ayn Rand, "Of Living Death" http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html#order_1 (http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html#order_1)
Bravo...
(http://pantherpro-webdesign.com/cinema/cinema/imagesI-P/meyer-clapping.gif)
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I actually am in favor of leftists killing off their offspring. No argument from me there.
woodchipper style?
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Most libertarians used to be pro-choice, but Ron Paul has brought a bunch of pro-lifers into the libertarian movement now, so I THINK it's more evenly split now.
IMO, the legitimate libertarian position on abortion:
The proper groundwork for analysis of abortion is in every man’s absolute right of self-ownership. This implies immediately that every woman has the absolute right to her own body, that she has absolute dominion over her body and everything within it. This includes the fetus. Most fetuses are in the mother’s womb because the mother consents to this situation, but the fetus is there by the mother’s freely-granted consent. But should the mother decide that she does not want the fetus there any longer, then the fetus becomes a parasitic “invader” of her person, and the mother has the perfect right to expel this invader from her domain. Abortion should be looked upon, not as “murder” of a living person, but as the expulsion of an unwanted invader from the mother’s body.[2] Any laws restricting or prohibiting abortion are therefore invasions of the rights of mothers.
- Murray Rothbard, "The Ethics of Liberty" Chapter 14 http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp (http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp)
An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?
- Ayn Rand, "Of Living Death" http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html#order_1 (http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html#order_1)
would you have any limits in regards to a time frame that a woman could get an abortion ?
Also, just curious, has there been any modern society/government based on the libertarian ideals?
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would you have any limits in regards to a time frame that a woman could get an abortion ?
Nope.
Also, just curious, has there been any modern society/government based on the libertarian ideals?
Nope, but countries with greater economic freedom (which certainly is a libertarian ideal) tend to perform much better than those with less:
(http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/economic-freedom-and-income.jpg)
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Nope.
Nope, but countries with greater economic freedom (which certainly is a libertarian ideal) tend to perform much better than those with less:
(http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/economic-freedom-and-income.jpg)
so you would have no problem if a woman wanted to ge an abortion in the 8 or 9th month of her pregnancy
regarding the chart from 2001, how was "economic freedom" defined ?
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so you would have no problem if a woman wanted to ge an abortion in the 8 or 9th month of her pregnancy
No problem.
regarding the chart from 2001, how was "economic freedom" defined ?
Obviously it's impossible to quantify freedom, but the attempts used by indices of economic freedom come close: http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/index/pdf/2011/Index2011_Methodology.pdf (http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/index/pdf/2011/Index2011_Methodology.pdf)
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No problem.
Obviously it's impossible to quantify freedom, but the attempts used by indices of economic freedom come close: http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/index/pdf/2011/Index2011_Methodology.pdf (http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/index/pdf/2011/Index2011_Methodology.pdf)
and no problem with polygamy either ?
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Howard would you be ok with the father not paying any child support in return for giving up his legal right?