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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Special Ed on May 01, 2008, 10:57:47 AM
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No jail time for our brother in arms.
Thanks for nothing, Musclephone!
Team Jacobs
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He will recover.
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Awesome! Does that mean he can send me my order now?
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Awesome! Does that mean he can send me my order now?
You'll have to speak to Quincy about that!
;D
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Awesome! Does that mean he can send me my order now?
*ZING* :D
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That was the original deal that he made. Nothing has changed.
Plano steroids supplier sentenced to 3 years' probation
By JASON TRAHAN and GARY JACOBSON / The Dallas Morning News
jtrahan@dallasnews.com; gjacobson@dallasnews.com
SHERMAN – A Plano man was sentenced Thursday to three years of probation for his role as the ringleader of one of the largest steroids trafficking networks in the country.
Mr. Jacobs also was fined $25,000.
During his sentencing hearing, David Jacobs, 35, told U.S. District Judge Richard Schell that he has cooperated fully in the case and was sorry for what he did. He admitted that steroids could be harmful if misused.
Mr. Jacobs told the judge what he has been saying publicly for weeks: That he sold steroids that wound up in the hands of NFL players.
After the hearing, he told the media that he was not prepared to publicly name names.
"I know a lot of them are scared," he said. "I don't want to ruin anyone's life."
Mr. Jacobs has already said he sold steroids and growth hormones to ex-Dallas Cowboys lineman Matt Lehr, now with the New Orleans Saints. Mr. Lehr's attorney has said that Mr. Jacobs has "peddled these tales to the government unsuccessfully" and has said prosecutors do not plan to indict his client.
Prosecutors have only said the investigation continues.
Mr. Jacobs has also said he knows some North Texas police officers have used steroids, but he has not publicly named names.
Two other co-defendants – Matt Williams and Amber Jarrell – also were sentence to 3 years of probation. Mr. Williams was fined $10,000, and Ms. Jarrell was fined $1,000.
A year ago, investigators with the Food and Drug Administration's office of criminal investigations, the Drug Enforcement Administration and others shut down Mr. Jacobs' steroids network, which has been described as one of the largest in the country.
On Thursday, Mr. Jacobs said he would make himself available to high schools to speak to young people about the risks of steroid use.
"It's not worth it," he said.
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I aspire to be one of these massive national steroid dealers........it's amazing, you just rat out a few others and get the proverbial slap on the wrist probation or 4 months like Victor Conte....
This country is a FUCKING MESS in so many ways..........
Can anyone set me up with some raw materials?? LOL
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Not that probation is necessarily an easy ride, but he did get off easier than I expected.
Why the crackdown on steroids?
(a) Bush and his buddies want to corner the market, (b) we need the public's attention diverted while Bush gets the US into another ILLEGAL WAR, this time in Iran, (c) both.
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A college buddy of mine got popped with a decent amount of gear and got 6 months in jail. He was a first time offender. Can't believe this guy just got probation.
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A college buddy of mine got popped with a decent amount of gear and got 6 months in jail. He was a first time offender. Can't believe this guy just got probation.
Did he recover?
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A college buddy of mine got popped with a decent amount of gear and got 6 months in jail. He was a first time offender. Can't believe this guy just got probation.
Here is the reality of the drug war:
Narcs are soldiers for the cartels and are not smart enough to understand that. It is because narcs exist that risk in the drug trade exists. It is because risk in the drug trade exists that profit in the drug trade exists. In other words, narcs create the entire industry. No narcs = no risk = no profit = no highly profitable drug enterprises / drug dealers. Street level dealers like your college buddy absorb all the risk/heat while the higher level dealers make fewer bigger moves and have operations in place which make it extremely difficult to ever gather enough evidence for a warrant (legally). Illegal wiretaps and the like are obviously running rampant under Bush's regime, but they are invalid in court.
Also, you can't fight drugs and have a relatively free country at the same time. The two are mutually exclusive. If they weren't such scum who make the entire situation worse, I could probably feel sorry for narcs who go their entire lives wondering why they are so bad at their job not realizing that it is a job that is impossible to be good at no matter how smart you are.
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He will recover.
Your GOTTDAMN right he will recover. That's an understatement. Dave, being as smart as I know him to be and just as crafty will come up with a game-plan to cash in and capitalize off this nightmare and get back on top.
Team Jacobs...4-life!
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Your GOTTDAMN right he will recover. That's an understatement. Dave, being as smart as I know him to be and just as crafty will come up with a game-plan to cash in and capitalize off this nightmare and get back on top.
Team Jacobs...4-life!
I don't know the guy but hell yeah team Jacobs!!
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Here is the reality of the drug war:
Narcs are soldiers for the cartels and are not smart enough to understand that. It is because narcs exist that risk in the drug trade exists. It is because risk in the drug trade exists that profit in the drug trade exists. In other words, narcs create the entire industry. No narcs = no risk = no profit = no highly profitable drug enterprises / drug dealers. Street level dealers like your college buddy absorb all the risk/heat while the higher level dealers make fewer bigger moves and have operations in place which make it extremely difficult to ever gather enough evidence for a warrant (legally). Illegal wiretaps and the like are obviously running rampant under Bush's regime, but they are invalid in court.
Also, you can't fight drugs and have a relatively free country at the same time. The two are mutually exclusive. If they weren't such scum who make the entire situation worse, I could probably feel sorry for narcs who go their entire lives wondering why they are so bad at their job not realizing that it is a job that is impossible to be good at no matter how smart you are.
You really just think you are the political/legal/religious/cultural king don't you? :)
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Special Ed, Huge Dave Jacobs and Big Blockhead are legends in this business and more than just a few others.
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WTF! I just realized that Ron Himself removed our signatures... I can't put 'Team Jacobs' in my profile now. Damnit!
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You really just think you are the political/legal/religious/cultural king don't you? :)
I am more politically aware than at least 90% of people I would say.
Sine the invasion of Afghanistan, Opium imports into the USA have gone up 2000%. Yes, 2000% or 20 times. Explain that one using conventional knowledge.
I love the "logic" used in this PSA:
"It's true."
Well, I'm sold!
Not:
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So wait....he didnt roll....and was one of the biggest distributors and labs in the country....and gets probation????????? rriigghhhttt
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Does the pope shit in the woods? ;)
prepare to have your dog's name, 7th grade student id number and shoe size posted, like they do in the movies.
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prepare to have your dog's name, 7th grade student id number and shoe size posted, like they do in the movies.
;D
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hahahhaa, dude you wouldn't believe the shit Alex was saying to CQ through PM's, man this dude is weird. :o
Oh, I know. CQ and I associate. "I'm feeling you...I have money blah blah blah...I'll fly you in..."
He pulled the same shit with Mercedes Khani. Big props for that but nevertheless, he creeps girls out just as much as that schmoe 'siouxcountry' or 'bthomas'. Hahahahahaha!
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Here is the reality of the drug war:
Narcs are soldiers for the cartels and are not smart enough to understand that. It is because narcs exist that risk in the drug trade exists. It is because risk in the drug trade exists that profit in the drug trade exists. In other words, narcs create the entire industry. No narcs = no risk = no profit = no highly profitable drug enterprises / drug dealers. Street level dealers like your college buddy absorb all the risk/heat while the higher level dealers make fewer bigger moves and have operations in place which make it extremely difficult to ever gather enough evidence for a warrant (legally). Illegal wiretaps and the like are obviously running rampant under Bush's regime, but they are invalid in court.
Also, you can't fight drugs and have a relatively free country at the same time. The two are mutually exclusive. If they weren't such scum who make the entire situation worse, I could probably feel sorry for narcs who go their entire lives wondering why they are so bad at their job not realizing that it is a job that is impossible to be good at no matter how smart you are.
You're almost there, Matt. Stop thinking like a policeman and start thinking like a politician and it'll come to ya. :)
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Dave Jacobs must have had some quality representation! Congrats.
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Dave got the BNR Bump! Notice he didn't go on PBW and get the curse.
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Jacobs was smart to use the BigNation show to influence public opinion.
Id imagine out of the 7 listeners that show has, at least 3 of them think he was completely innocent. ;D
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Jacobs was smart to use the BigNation show to influence public opinion.
Id imagine out of the 7 listeners that show has, at least 3 of them think he was completely innocent. ;D
They only have 6 listeners now... I stopped tuning in when Ed stopped paying me. :D
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Sine the invasion of Afghanistan, Opium imports into the USA have gone up 2000%. Yes, 2000% or 20 times. Explain that one using conventional knowledge.
That's what I call a win-win outcome.
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They only have 6 listeners now... I stopped tuning in when Ed stopped paying me. :D
Hey we need another listener. PM me, Goatboy...let's see if we can renegotiate.
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Yeah, he didn't roll ::)
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I am all about personal freedoms, but I believe we'd see society degrade if they sold crack in teh corner market. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see idiot 14-year olds smoking weed in front of the restaurant I'm walking into. I don't want to smell meth coming from the girl in the car next to me in traffic.
If they could do the drugs in their home and never affect me (which is pretty much the standard now), so be it. If they're going to bring down the neighborhood (and idiots always do), I oppose it.
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Yeah, he didn't roll ::)
From what i understand, anybody who says anything in regards to him rolling that has actual info has been threatened legally. What a scumbag....and i thought he was a nice guy when i met him, but i guess anything to save his own azz...even if it means hurting everyone else
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David Jacobs is coming to ESPN and HBO's Real Sports soon. Before then, you can catch him again on BigNationRadio this coming Monday.
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3) Hooking him up with the hot US attorney chick who was prosecuting
The fact that defense attorneys are in bed with prosecutors makes me sick.
This is not high school debating you scum - you are ruining people's lives. >:(
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The fact that defense attorneys are in bed with prosecutors makes me sick.
This is not high school debating you scum - you are ruining people's lives. >:(
Settle down, Gloria... it ain't that serious. ::)
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Hello everyone!
FINALLY I can take a deep breath and sit down and talk to you. First off I want you to look at the statement I made today. As you will see I have not and I did not and I have no intention of naming names. These rumors and allegations need to stop right now. The sentencing was a public forum and nothing can be hidden. Not ONE SINGLE NAME was mentioned and nothing was said about any friends, bodybuilders, former friends - nothing. So now that it is official, on the record, I am officially sentenced and NO ONE HAS HAD A CASE BROUGHT ON THEM. I hope that you can all take a step back - look at the situation and understand that I did what I said I was going to do. I protected a shitload of people.
Anyone who knows how big I was, how many people I was involved with, and the different athletes I worked with can easily understand that if I was ratting people out and I was slinging names all around - I would not have been sentenced. If there were ongoing trials etc. that I was needed for - I would not have been sentenced. If I was out there naming names not one or two people would have been busted - it would have been more like HUNDREDS of people. So considering that there is no one that can come forward and say that I brought a case on them should speak volumes about what I did and how adamently I protected people in every way I could. However as we found out today - my case is closed. Its over. No one else was indicted and no one was mentioned. Dave Palumbo kept telling everyone - when you are sentenced and the judge lists everything you did then we will know.
OK well then now we know dont we Dave. No one mentioned any names, and in the press interview/statement I said again. I have no intention of naming names. I am not about ruining peoples lives and careers - that is not who David Jacobs is.
Hear it from my own mouth today minutes after my sentencing. click this link
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=27951@ktvt.dayport.com
Listen guys. I cant blame people for being suspicious and cautious - even keeping their distance especially until the sentencing. When you are sentenced - they are done with you. Thats it. Done. Case Closed. Goodbye.
I love bodybuilding. I love how it helped changed my life. I have made some incredible friends and even met the love of my life as a result. Not all of what I went through is bad. Yes it hurt like hell to have people like Branch Warren, Matt Matthews, Jay Moore, and others start rumors, say things that were not true and turn their backs on me. Especially since I never did anything but help them. However at this stage in my life I dont have any more room for anger and hatred. All that is left is disappointment, but that will pass too. I have made the best friends I have ever hoped to have. I have grown, learned and come out of this stronger and sharper. I plan on getting back involved in bodybuilding - just not in the same way I had been before. I wont ever go through this again trust me.
We all make mistakes and it is none of our business to judge. I fucked up. I fucked up big time, but I took it like a man. I took responsibility for it. I spent a year of my life living in hell every day, I lost my business, I lost all the money I had ever made, and I lost those who I thought were like my family - Trust me - I have paid my dues. Now I have to pay the government an addtional 25,000 dollars which I have no idea in hell how I am going to do that, I have to continue to submit to weekly drug tests, surprise visits at my house, check ups on my work, my financial records to be reviewed every month, I can never vote again, I am no longer able to have any federal benefits, I can never own a firearm either. Is it better than spending a year in prison yes - but did I hurt anyone? No. Was I a coke, meth or ex dealer - no - so I truly believe that I should not be (and no one else involved with steroids) should be put behind bars. This should be a huge wake up call for many people reading this. If you ever are stupid enough to do what I did, and you are out there pushing the envelope to get that easy money. You better be setting a whole lot of it aside for an attorney like the one I had because a pit bull attorney is THE ONLY THING that will save your ass.
Last but definitely not least I want to say one last thing. I fought so hard for a good deal, and my attorney stayed on top of things every day for an entire year they arranged (through serious negotiation, arbitration, arguing, compromising etc.) that I would receive 3 years probation. Now due to recent supreme court findings there has to be a level of fairness applied to everyone involved in a federal case. Since I was the "kingpin" and my attorney was able to negotiate an agreement for 3 years probation - the judge said that he could not accept that anyone involved could face a fine or punishment greater than mine. Therefore because my attorney and I busted our ass to work out a probation deal - EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON INVOLVED faces max 3 years probation too. They get AT WORST my same deal. All of them got much less than me by the way!!!
So now maybe instead of beating me over the head people will realize that by playing my cards right, fighting for what was right and fair and also for being a man - everyone else gets to enjoy the same benefit of my hard work. Its not like I am skating by and anyone is going to jail. We all learned from our mistakes and every one of us is moving on.
Here is what happened..... Everything I did and fought for ended up helping everyone else too. If I was a selfish person only looking out for myself and cared nothing about others lives then Why have none of my friends in bodybuilding been questioned or arrested? Why are they all still competing? Why are there so many NFL players still on the field? Dont you think if they had cases on people that they would not be competing, they would not be fighting, they would not be playing? The answer to that question is painfully obvious.
Its over guys. Please let me and everyone else get on with our lives.
Let me enjoy the friendships and comradery that I once did in bodybuilding. I proved I am not the enemy. If anything I proved I am your friend - even if I did not know you.
Lets move on. Case Closed.
Thank you to all who stood by me and believed in me. Thank you to my closest friends and family and I really look forward to building good relationships back up with people and helping as many people as I can (without chemicals of course) =)
Stay strong... Stay Safe...
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Awesome news man, you are a good guy.
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From what i understand, anybody who says anything in regards to him rolling that has actual info has been threatened legally. What a scumbag....and i thought he was a nice guy when i met him, but i guess anything to save his own azz...even if it means hurting everyone else
You are 100% wrong bro. I have never and my attorney had never threatened anyone. Lots of people have accused me wrongly of rolling on people and after 1 year nothing has happened other than me coming out and getting the truth out. You need to go back and check yourself before you make accusations about things you are not involved with or know anything about. There has been a lot of BS thrown around over the past year. Be a better person than them and look at the facts for yourself. What good would come by me threatening people for making up rumors or accusations. Nothing. What would I gain. Nothing. I can handle rumor control by myself and my actions and now sentencing speak for itself. Dont let the haters and jerks out there who want to stir shit up get to you. Be better than that. Dont buy into bullshit. Lets use what has happened to me and learn from it and use it to help other people not go down the same path. These "understandings" "assumptions" I heard that this guy said that he saw a guy who heard from this guy that this guy did.... needs to stop.
Its over let it go. No one was threatened. No law suites were filed. I let it go. So does everyone else.
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Glad to see everything worked out for you Dave :D A question you have never answered though. The substances you sold prior to getting busted, what name did they go by? I.E. "Cut260 Labs" "Jacobs Super Supplements" or whatever. Just curious if your lab is one of the ones named in the infamous lists passed around these boards in the wake of ORD. Thanks dude
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You are 100% wrong bro. I have never and my attorney had never threatened anyone. Lots of people have accused me wrongly of rolling on people and after 1 year nothing has happened other than me coming out and getting the truth out. You need to go back and check yourself before you make accusations about things you are not involved with or know anything about. There has been a lot of BS thrown around over the past year. Be a better person than them and look at the facts for yourself. What good would come by me threatening people for making up rumors or accusations. Nothing. What would I gain. Nothing. I can handle rumor control by myself and my actions and now sentencing speak for itself. Dont let the haters and jerks out there who want to stir shit up get to you. Be better than that. Dont buy into bullshit. Lets use what has happened to me and learn from it and use it to help other people not go down the same path. These "understandings" "assumptions" I heard that this guy said that he saw a guy who heard from this guy that this guy did.... needs to stop.
Its over let it go. No one was threatened. No law suites were filed. I let it go. So does everyone else.
You sir, are a liar. This makes your whole store 100% shady to me, as i know for SURE that what i highlighted in bold is a complete 110% lie and i would bet ANYTHING in this world its a lie
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You sir, are a liar. This makes your whole store 100% shady to me, as i know for SURE that what i highlighted in bold is a complete 110% lie and i would bet ANYTHING in this world its a lie
Well mr. expert. I am sorry you feel that way. However I have all the proof in the world. Where is yours. Youre "expert opinion" is supposed to count for something? Definitely not. I guess youre just another one of the sad people that believe whatever rumors they hear. You know. Thats youre right bro. I feel sorry for you. BUMP
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Well mr. expert. I am sorry you feel that way. However I have all the proof in the world. Where is yours. Youre "expert opinion" is supposed to count for something? Definitely not. I guess youre just another one of the sad people that believe whatever rumors they hear. You know. Thats youre right bro. I feel sorry for you. BUMP
Dont talk down to me as if you are somebody special. You are not. Tons of people dont like you, and there is reason behind it. Its funny, because before all this you had tons of friends (i admitted i even liked you), but what you come on here and do after what you have done is just ....i cant describe it. I cannot verify that everything you said was bs, but the threatening part is 110% BS, and if you stick to your story and say you DIDNT threaten anyone for slander, then that PROVES that there are at least SOME flaws in your story. If you would lie about this, then what else would you lie about. This shows me ONE THING. That you cannot MAN UP and accept responsibility for your actions. If i do something, and somebody questions me...i man up and admit it...i dont bs around and then straight lie like you have done. Shows you are a coward and that you are the type of person who is comfortable with lieing, so if you can lie about that aspect that i AM sure of....i wonder what else you have lied about?
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All I have in this world are my balls and my word
Hmmm nice quote under your avatar. Well since your word is crap and you are afraid to man up to what you have said and done with your obvious bs lies....looks like you have no balls either....sad
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Settle down, Gloria... it ain't that serious. ::)
If you ever find yourself falsely accused, you may change your mind. All the legal system wants is money, not justice. Avoid it as much as you can, but if you can't, have money on hand since it will save you. Also, justice is not blind.
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Wow out of the woodworks come the PM's lol. Mr Jacobs you have alot of enemies with a ton of dirt on you, that i sadly cannot post on the board for their own safety. You are a rat in the purest form....karma....
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Ok so you are the king pin of a massive steroid ring and you get probation??? That alone is the writing on the wall. STFU and go somewhere. Crying about Quincy Taylor jacking you lol. Bro you are lame stay in Texas. LA doesnt want you!!! Come to LA and pull that shit and get sent straight upstate with a hot kite right behind you. Your rat ass would get stuck the moment you hit mainline.
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Wow, Mr. Jacobs is quite the bullshit artist and one self serving guy. When your empire is as big as you profess, you don't walk away with 3 yrs probation unless you worked.....period. Save your bullshit for the less educated over at BB.com
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You have to wonder how many hundreds of thousands of dollars they spent on prosecuting a guy who helped dedicated athletes add more size to their body.
All the while, you had junkies and 5-dollar dealers in the alley behind the courthouse.
They went after the boring guys who spent the days nuking boiled chicken breasts and flexing their hamstrings in the mirror. They ignored the crack whores and meth heads on the streets.
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During his sentencing hearing, David Jacobs, 35...
The brotha's only 35?? Damn, he looks older...at least early 40s. Isn't HGH supposed to keep you looking relatively young? Or was he not using that?
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hahahaha, another supposedly "straight man" commenting on another man's facial looks. ;)
LOL..I don't think Tre has ever professed to being straight.
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Dont talk down to me as if you are somebody special. You are not. Tons of people dont like you, and there is reason behind it. Its funny, because before all this you had tons of friends (i admitted i even liked you), but what you come on here and do after what you have done is just ....i cant describe it. I cannot verify that everything you said was bs, but the threatening part is 110% BS, and if you stick to your story and say you DIDNT threaten anyone for slander, then that PROVES that there are at least SOME flaws in your story. If you would lie about this, then what else would you lie about. This shows me ONE THING. That you cannot MAN UP and accept responsibility for your actions. If i do something, and somebody questions me...i man up and admit it...i dont bs around and then straight lie like you have done. Shows you are a coward and that you are the type of person who is comfortable with lieing, so if you can lie about that aspect that i AM sure of....i wonder what else you have lied about?
I'm not sure what the big deal is about threatening people that were spreading potentially slanderous rumors. Personally, if someone was slandering me at a time when my liberty was on the line, I would threaten legal action too. So, I'm thinkning that there must be something more to this story between Jacobs and TP4U
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I'm not sure what the big deal is about threatening people that were spreading potentially slanderous rumors. Personally, if someone was slandering me at a time when my liberty was on the line, I would threaten legal action too. So, I'm thinkning that there must be something more to this story between Jacobs and TP4U
Funny thing is....not a single thing between us. I just think its wrong what he has done to people! You would feel alot different if one of the people he caused problems for was your family member or friend wouldnt you?
He changes his story left and right. Last month he says hes not ashamed of what he has done, then goes before the judge n says hes sorry? Ummmm, which is it pal? He goes on the radio and is still giving cycle advice, then says on the news he wants to be available to high school kids to tell them the dangers of taking roids? Umm...can this guy make up his mind, or do lies pop out by the minute? Everything he says is questionable, and his story is full of holes that i know personally about......so the parts that i DONT know anything about looks 100% shaky to me at BEST based on his history of telling the truth (which i havent seen him do once).
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Funny thing is....not a single thing between us. I just think its wrong what he has done to people! You would feel alot different if one of the people he caused problems for was your family member or friend wouldnt you?
He changes his story left and right. Last month he says hes not ashamed of what he has done, then goes before the judge n says hes sorry? Ummmm, which is it pal? He goes on the radio and is still giving cycle advice, then says on the news he wants to be available to high school kids to tell them the dangers of taking roids? Umm...can this guy make up his mind, or do lies pop out by the minute? Everything he says is questionable, and his story is full of holes that i know personally about......so the parts that i DONT know anything about looks 100% shaky to me at BEST based on his history of telling the truth (which i havent seen him do once).
Look as for Dave's comments before the judge, he said what he had to say to make the probation deal work. The judge has the final say in pleas and could have rejected it and given him time. Being smug in front of a person that has total control over your liberty is just not smart.
As for what happened to your family and friends I can't really comment on. Can you divulge any specifics?
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3 years probation, a day for every name he gave to the government.
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3 years probation, a day for every name he gave to the government.
Probably.....a lil birdie told me that he had some of his lower level guys busted right after being called over then walking out of his house.....again im not sayin its true...just sayin i heard it ;)
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Probably.....a lil birdie told me that he had some of his lower level guys busted right after being called over then walking out of his house.....again im not sayin its true...just sayin i heard it ;)
okay, now that is seriously not cool. That's more than just having a lawyer threaten a civil lawsuit.
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who gives a shit about this bullshit. ::)
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who gives a shit about this bullshit. ::)
HAHAHAH i'm glad somebody finally said it.
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Neither the feds nor anyone else gives you a break for telling them who you SOLD to -- they're not interested in people LOWER on the distribution channel. You get breaks and leniency for giving up people HIGHER on the distribution network. BUYERS give up and rat out SELLERS -- not the other way around. In this case, Dave admitted to importing his raw product from China. In which case, the only person who should be upset is JaeJonna.
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Neither the feds nor anyone else gives you a break for telling them who you SOLD to -- they're not interested in people LOWER on the distribution channel. You get breaks and leniency for giving up people HIGHER on the distribution network. BUYERS give up and rat out SELLERS -- not the other way around. In this case, Dave admitted to importing his raw product from China. In which case, the only person who should be upset is JaeJonna.
Mate for a guy who thinks he is as connected as they come, you are Stevie Wonder in front of an eye chart here gent. Toopowerful4U is straight on the money. You are talking about sellers/buyers up and down the tree. HE DIDN'T GO UP AND DOWN THE TREE! He went sideways and filled in all he knew about others around the states. As a former lawyer you should be downright shaded crimson red with 'barrasment with your statements. Who do you think filled in the blanks for the government in all the huge arrests in the fall and the ones that are still to come? A bloody psychic hotline? Hang your noggin in shame at your naivety. Kudo's to you Toopowerful for stating the obvious unlike some of these lackies who get a radio show spot out of it and think the guys a swell pal/angel now. Ludicrous.
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Mate for a guy who thinks he is as connected as they come, you are Stevie Wonder in front of an eye chart here gent. Toopowerful4U is straight on the money. You are talking about sellers/buyers up and down the tree. HE DIDN'T GO UP AND DOWN THE TREE! He went sideways and filled in all he knew about others around the states. As a former lawyer you should be downright shaded crimson red with 'barrasment with your statements. Who do you think filled in the blanks for the government in all the huge arrests in the fall and the ones that are still to come? A bloody psychic hotline? Hang your noggin in shame at your naivety. Kudo's to you Toopowerful for stating the obvious unlike some of these lackies who get a radio show spot out of it and think the guys a swell pal/angel now. Ludicrous.
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Mate for a guy who thinks he is as connected as they come, you are Stevie Wonder in front of an eye chart here gent. Toopowerful4U is straight on the money. You are talking about sellers/buyers up and down the tree. HE DIDN'T GO UP AND DOWN THE TREE! He went sideways and filled in all he knew about others around the states. As a former lawyer you should be downright shaded crimson red with 'barrasment with your statements. Who do you think filled in the blanks for the government in all the huge arrests in the fall and the ones that are still to come? A bloody psychic hotline? Hang your noggin in shame at your naivety. Kudo's to you Toopowerful for stating the obvious unlike some of these lackies who get a radio show spot out of it and think the guys a swell pal/angel now. Ludicrous.
So you're saying the Chinese manufacturing facility gave Dave up? C'mon EZ, a BUYER gave up Dave, the SELLER. Did the Feds get all of David's emails to his buyers/suppliers? Of course they did. Much like they sat down Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Dexter Jackson, Melvin Anthony and a dozen others in Des Moines, Iowa after subpoenaing every bodybuilder who showed up at the 2004 Arnold Classic and made them connect the dots on their emails and reveal their sources, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the identities and transactions in an email from Cuts260 to Cuts280 saying "Paypal me $600 for the two bottles" when AOL is supplying the name/IP/address behind the screennames or after they've seized David's computer with his Excel spreadsheets of customers/products/phone numbers.
The naivete is all yours if you think the Feds are asking dealers for their "supply lists" and "asking people to give up their customers". This ain't a crack dealer standing on the corner down the block from your house. It's an operation that requires names, addresses, phone numbers, email addys, and product lists to be maintained and used over and over again. You watch too much TV.
I supposed you think Palumbo didn't have lists of customers and addresses for the fake gh he was peddling and the feds never got their hands on his computer too. Wake up brother.
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Who is talking about how Mr. Jacobs got busted? (common knowledge) the question is how did he get off?
Ask yourself Special Ed. How does one slough off with 3 years probation with both the widespread public scrutiny and criminal activity {major manufacturing, importation, distribution } that was on Mr Jacob's resume?
How much information about 'others' involved in the same activities in the USA would have to be given to get that kind of slap on the wrist mate?
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So you're saying the Chinese manufacturing facility gave Dave up? C'mon EZ, a BUYER gave up Dave, the SELLER. Did the Feds get all of David's emails to his buyers/suppliers? Of course they did. Much like they sat down Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Dexter Jackson, Melvin Anthony and a dozen others in Des Moines, Iowa after subpoenaing every bodybuilder who showed up at the 2004 Arnold Classic and made them connect the dots on their emails and reveal their sources, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the identities and transactions in an email from Cuts260 to Cuts280 saying "Paypal me $600 for the two bottles" when AOL is supplying the name/IP/address behind the screennames or after they've seized David's computer with his Excel spreadsheets of customers/products/phone numbers.
The naivete is all yours if you think the Feds are asking dealers for their "supply lists" and "asking people to give up their customers". This ain't a crack dealer standing on the corner down the block from your house. It's an operation that requires names, addresses, phone numbers, email addys, and product lists to be maintained and used over and over again. You watch too much TV.
I supposed you think Palumbo didn't have lists of customers and addresses for the fake gh he was peddling and the feds never got their hands on his computer too. Wake up brother.
There are direct quotes from positions with power in "operation raw deal" stating that they have names and information on ALL levels. They say they are "making visits to buyers."
If one of the largest distributors of AAS in the entire country is only looking at probation, then NO ONE should be worried about gear. If someone dealing at his level can walk away with probation without being a rat, then people might as well set up shop at the mall.
For fuck's sake, Jacobs is on CAMERA admitting to giving names. At least a dozen articles have been posted on THIS BOARD where he mentions Matt Lehr's name.
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All the legal system wants is money, not justice. Avoid it as much as you can, but if you can't, have money on hand since it will save you. Also, justice is not blind.
No shit. ::)
Why do you think I don't worry much about the law?
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So you're saying the Chinese manufacturing facility gave Dave up? C'mon EZ, a BUYER gave up Dave, the SELLER. Did the Feds get all of David's emails to his buyers/suppliers? Of course they did. Much like they sat down Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Dexter Jackson, Melvin Anthony and a dozen others in Des Moines, Iowa after subpoenaing every bodybuilder who showed up at the 2004 Arnold Classic and made them connect the dots on their emails and reveal their sources, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the identities and transactions in an email from Cuts260 to Cuts280 saying "Paypal me $600 for the two bottles" when AOL is supplying the name/IP/address behind the screennames or after they've seized David's computer with his Excel spreadsheets of customers/products/phone numbers.
The naivete is all yours if you think the Feds are asking dealers for their "supply lists" and "asking people to give up their customers". This ain't a crack dealer standing on the corner down the block from your house. It's an operation that requires names, addresses, phone numbers, email addys, and product lists to be maintained and used over and over again. You watch too much TV.
I supposed you think Palumbo didn't have lists of customers and addresses for the fake gh he was peddling and the feds never got their hands on his computer too. Wake up brother.
I guess more to the point of the matter is did Dave cooperate in getting his mid-level sellers popped? That's really what TP4U was getting at. I'm sure that the feds do have an interest in disrupting the entire supply chain from the top seller (Dave) down to his chain of re-sellers. Or am I wrong about that?
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Ok so you are the king pin of a massive steroid ring and you get probation??? That alone is the writing on the wall. STFU and go somewhere. Crying about Quincy Taylor jacking you lol. Bro you are lame stay in Texas. LA doesnt want you!!! Come to LA and pull that shit and get sent straight upstate with a hot kite right behind you. Your rat ass would get stuck the moment you hit mainline.
Take off your TAPOUT shirt and throw away your NWA tape you fkcing hole!
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Who is talking about how Mr. Jacobs got busted? (common knowledge) the question is how did he get off?
Ask yourself Special Ed. How does one slough off with 3 years probation with both the widespread public scrutiny and criminal activity {major manufacturing, importation, distribution } that was on Mr Jacob's resume?
How much information about 'others' involved in the same activities in the USA would have to be given to get that kind of slap on the wrist mate?
Why don't you go WALK-ABOUT and get fked in the WALKABOUT Creek "mate" and mind your own fking buisness and stope worrying about how Dave handles his you fking kangaroo fucker!
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hahahahhaa, who is this tough guy, Block? hahahahaa, "LA doesn't want you" as if that's a big loss. ;D
Obviously like a few guys with less than 50 posts who only post in the threads about Dave J to bash him, are the ones who are jumping on the bandwagon to not like him. In the bodybuilding industry...it is HIP to be like "..aww man, fuck Jacobs, man...he betta not eva show his face around hurrr..."
He's probably pissed because now he has to pay about $100-$150 for his 200mg of ALLEGEDLY deca or test-enanthate 10ml bottle when Dave was 'allegedly' slinging the most pure of pure shit for about...$20 a bottle.
He's probably sipping on a Xyience drink when he posted that. What a brutal gladiator from the mean streets of L.A.
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I'm sure Dave is a good guy and say what you want but you don't just get off like that with such a pretigious resume without some sort of a deal. I know guys who got busted for slighlty above possession and got jail time.... and probabtion.
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I'm sure Dave is a good guy and say what you want but you don't just get off like that with such a pretigious resume without some sort of a deal. I know guys who got busted for slighlty above possession and got jail time.... and probabtion.
C'mon, that's just BS. First of all, there's no such thing as "slightly above possession". There's criminal possession with intent and criminal selling. Ask yourself how much time in the pen Olympia runner-up and Arnold Classic champ Victor Martinez has served for his three arrests for possession with intent and sales of gear, ecstasy, and other substances.
If you don't think Texan native George Bush has good friends in Dallas, you're seriously mistaken. This was a federal case and federal judges are chosen by the President of the United States. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is politically connected -- the son of Charles Goodell, a former Republican Senator from New York. The NFL doesn't want the publicity nor do they want any names mentioned in a trial. They will do whatever they can to avoid a Balco-like scandal that has plagued public perception of baseball players.
And then there's the issue of the disappearance of a huge amount of gear removed from Jacobs' house but never inventoried by the Feds. Did FBI/DEA/US Postal Inspectors steal juice from Jacobs to build their own bodies up? Hypocrisy to the Nth Degree!
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He's probably pissed because now he has to pay about $100-$150 for his 200mg of ALLEGEDLY deca or test-enanthate 10ml bottle when Dave was 'allegedly' slinging the most pure of pure shit for about...$20 a bottle.
He was mixing the powders in his kitchen. Didn't exactly have a high level of quality control. With that type of UG operation you never know what you're going to get no matter how honest the UGL is.
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C'mon, that's just BS. First of all, there's no such thing as "slightly above possession". There's criminal possession with intent and criminal selling. Ask yourself how much time in the pen Olympia runner-up and Arnold Classic champ Victor Martinez has served for his three arrests for possession with intent and sales of gear, ecstasy, and other substances.
If you don't think Texan native George Bush has good friends in Dallas, you're seriously mistaken. This was a federal case and federal judges are chosen by the President of the United States. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is politically connected -- the son of Charles Goodell, a former Republican Senator from New York. The NFL doesn't want the publicity nor do they want any names mentioned in a trial. They will do whatever they can to avoid a Balco-like scandal that has plagued public perception of baseball players.
And then there's the issue of the disappearance of a huge amount of gear removed from Jacobs' house but never inventoried by the Feds. Did FBI/DEA/US Postal Inspectors steal juice from Jacobs to build their own bodies up? Hypocrisy to the Nth Degree!
thanks ed...didnt know roger is charlie's son. is he a liberal too? haha
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C'mon, that's just BS. First of all, there's no such thing as "slightly above possession". There's criminal possession with intent and criminal selling. Ask yourself how much time in the pen Olympia runner-up and Arnold Classic champ Victor Martinez has served for his three arrests for possession with intent and sales of gear, ecstasy, and other substances.
If you don't think Texan native George Bush has good friends in Dallas, you're seriously mistaken. This was a federal case and federal judges are chosen by the President of the United States. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is politically connected -- the son of Charles Goodell, a former Republican Senator from New York. The NFL doesn't want the publicity nor do they want any names mentioned in a trial. They will do whatever they can to avoid a Balco-like scandal that has plagued public perception of baseball players.
And then there's the issue of the disappearance of a huge amount of gear removed from Jacobs' house but never inventoried by the Feds. Did FBI/DEA/US Postal Inspectors steal juice from Jacobs to build their own bodies up? Hypocrisy to the Nth Degree!
Ed, you're in way over your head....he's working, it's been confirmed so stfu
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C'mon, that's just BS. First of all, there's no such thing as "slightly above possession". There's criminal possession with intent and criminal selling. Ask yourself how much time in the pen Olympia runner-up and Arnold Classic champ Victor Martinez has served for his three arrests for possession with intent and sales of gear, ecstasy, and other substances.
If you don't think Texan native George Bush has good friends in Dallas, you're seriously mistaken. This was a federal case and federal judges are chosen by the President of the United States. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is politically connected -- the son of Charles Goodell, a former Republican Senator from New York. The NFL doesn't want the publicity nor do they want any names mentioned in a trial. They will do whatever they can to avoid a Balco-like scandal that has plagued public perception of baseball players.
And then there's the issue of the disappearance of a huge amount of gear removed from Jacobs' house but never inventoried by the Feds. Did FBI/DEA/US Postal Inspectors steal juice from Jacobs to build their own bodies up? Hypocrisy to the Nth Degree!
Nice political angle that I haven't even considered.... fucking hypocrits. warchild, back your shit up if you're gonna stir it.
Not sure where the line is between "personal possesion" and intent to resell but 4 bottles of test isn't it for sure and I've heard of guy getting charged with distribution with that amount, I'm not joking... again I'm not Rick Collins.
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.. again I'm not Rick Collins.
No, you're a fat french faggot.
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No, you're a fat french faggot.
Truly spoken like a 14yo. Bravo. ::)
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No, you're a fat french faggot.
I agree......stfu you fat, french fag
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Truly spoken like a 14yo. Bravo. ::)
Simplicity makes for the most effective insults.
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Now go get a haircut, chubby!
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Nice political angle that I haven't even considered.... fucking hypocrits. warchild, back your shit up if you're gonna stir it.
Sure, start here http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showpost.php?p=669876&postcount=23 and then keep going.
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The guy came from a corporate job, got tired of it, started training to better his appearance and lifestyle, went to the darkside and got the "best" of it. He had many friend during his "peak" but they all disappeared when shit hit the fan and a scapegoat was required.
In the bodybuilding world, like in many self centered "glamorous" circles, when you're on top they all leech on, the second things get not as comfy, the rats run for the covers. Much like post surgery Chris Dim who got what he called "the silence treatment" not only from the IFBB but the entire little "community"... a brutal form of hypocrisy..
Bottom like is, things got out of hand for Dave and he paid the price, lost pretty much everything and couldn't probably even go back to even his previous life.
I think the guy deserves some support; >:(
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Alex, are you working for Ron?
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Alex, are you working for Ron?
Does Ron has people working for him?
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Sure, start here http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showpost.php?p=669876&postcount=23 and then keep going.
which I could my negro friend. Unfortunately, freedom of information doesn't span all the way to the East Coast "Mob"
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Does Ron has people working for him?
I dunno.... DOES HE?
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I dunno.... DOES HE?
What are you getting to Keith? People told me not to post things, yes many times (including your sister ;D), but the other way around, never.
I think Dave is being blackballed way further than he deserves it and I just wanted to express it. Pretty much everyone agrees that the guy was well respected and reliable. Why turn on him now? Sounds hypocrit to me.
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I dunno.... DOES HE?
Ron decided he needed a fat french fag as "board mascot", and had a budget of only $10/day. Naturally, Alex jumped at the chance.
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Ron decided he needed a fat french fag as "board mascot", and had a budget of only $10/day. Naturally, Alex jumped at the chance.
haha fat people are funny
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isnt he a snitch ???
if so----then fuck him and throw his ass in a hole
if not----well...that sucks for him, no one should do time for a consensual crime
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Ron decided he needed a fat french fag as "board mascot", and had a budget of only $10/day. Naturally, Alex jumped at the chance.
;D HAHAHAHAHA exactly
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Here is the reality of the drug war:
Narcs are soldiers for the cartels and are not smart enough to understand that. It is because narcs exist that risk in the drug trade exists. It is because risk in the drug trade exists that profit in the drug trade exists. In other words, narcs create the entire industry. No narcs = no risk = no profit = no highly profitable drug enterprises / drug dealers. Street level dealers like your college buddy absorb all the risk/heat while the higher level dealers make fewer bigger moves and have operations in place which make it extremely difficult to ever gather enough evidence for a warrant (legally). Illegal wiretaps and the like are obviously running rampant under Bush's regime, but they are invalid in court.
Also, you can't fight drugs and have a relatively free country at the same time. The two are mutually exclusive. If they weren't such scum who make the entire situation worse, I could probably feel sorry for narcs who go their entire lives wondering why they are so bad at their job not realizing that it is a job that is impossible to be good at no matter how smart you are.
Maybe, but from a negative utilitarian perpective, drug liberation would produce far more harm than benefits. Some psychotropics, like cocaine and heroin, are highly addictive and eliminate one's ability to live without it. Thus, liberating such drugs could lead to social chaos as millions of people would get addicted and live thier lives exclusively to obtain drugs. Their families and work would be neglected, and civilization as we know it would suffer immensely. As a libertarian, I am in favor of drug liberation, but I am well aware of the fact that there are some drugs that 99% of people can't use without ruining their healths, social lives and losing their volition and free-will. For the sake of Society, it is best for some drugs to remain illegal.
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which I could my negro friend. Unfortunately, freedom of information doesn't span all the way to the East Coast "Mob"
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How the hell are you going to get your "raw power" now Alex? They showed you! ::)