Florida’s District Six Medical Examiner has completed Rich Piana’s autopsy (read the full report at MuckRock). Here’s what got reported:
an enlarged heart (and “significant heart disease”)
fatty liver
congested thyroid
congested kidneys
discolored kidneys
ischemic brain tissue (i.e. brain tissue that had lost blood supply)
necrotic brain tissue (i.e. dead cells)
brain edema (swelling)
In addition, by far the lengthiest part of the autopsy’s notes concerned his lungs, which were filled with fluid and swollen (bronchopneumonia pleural effusion wih edema), showed apparent fat emboli and micro-abscesses, plus displayed both acute and chronic inflammatory cells.
No cause or manner of death is given.
And it would be nearly impossible to determine cause of death with any certainty, as a result of Piana’s severe heart disease and admitted (performance enhancing) drug use — plus the fact that he survived in a coma for 18 days in the hospital.
No toxicology tests were administered because the hospital discarded the specimens, despite an explicit request that they be retained.
SOURCE: https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/rich-pianas-autopsy-630ccb12ca33
I dont have much faith in the coroner??
May he rest in peace within that oil spill in the sky,
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"the muscles free of abnormalities"
fuck off.....
"the muscles free of abnormalities"
fuck off.....
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Board Certified Pathologist
Harvard University, Professor Emeritus
Center for Disease and Control, Vice President
Be There, in all seriousness, why do you think the good doctor would blatantly ignore such abnormalities? Doesn't seem like he has an agenda. Perhaps a medical error?
maybe thats why I wrote about not having confidence on the pathologist.... ::)
no mention of all the PMMA shit in his tissue?
But, not having confidence in the pathologist could mean:
1) The pathologist did not recognize muscle abnormalities (i.e., lack of confidence in his medical expertise).
2) The pathologist did recognize muscle abnormalities, but did not report them (i.e., lack of confidence in his transparency and adhering to medical ethics).
Initially, you never stated in which realm you lacked confidence. But, it seems like you really mean regarding point 1. I wonder how the good doctor could not notice something SO obvious.
Get a job you idiot! You like to think of yourself as an intellectual... You should bagging groceries you fucking monkey.
Get a job you idiot! You like to think of yourself as an intellectual... You should bagging groceries you fucking monkey.
But he tries so hard...
Well, at least he lived the life he wanted to live.
Think about the people that never truly live, but crawl all throughout their lives as servants to the lifestyles of others.
May he rest in peace within that oil spill in the sky,
"1"
"In addition, by far the lengthiest part of the autopsy’s notes concerned his lungs, which were filled with fluid and swollen (bronchopneumonia pleural effusion wih edema), showed apparent fat emboli and micro-abscesses, plus displayed both acute and chronic inflammatory cells."
Quite possibly related to injecting shit tons of foreign substances.
Well, at least he gave the impression that he lived the life he wanted to live.FTFY.
Think about the people that never truly live, but crawl all throughout their lives as servants to the lifestyles of others.
May he rest in peace within that oil spill in the sky,
"1"
Hmmm... maybe... but heart failure can cause pleural effusion too (where's Walter White when we need him? ;))
The micro-abscesses though, never heard of them - meth smoking..?
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That phrase doesn't apply to you, you're just too stupid to realize it.
Judging by that picture, you've reached a level of succsess the average getbig member could barely fathom.
I feel the same way when vince talks about his art, calvin klein shirts and $1,000 dollar suits from men's wherehouse.
Hmmm... maybe... but heart failure can cause pleural effusion too (where's Walter White when we need him? ;))Causes
The micro-abscesses though, never heard of them - meth smoking..?
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That phrase doesn't apply to you, you're just too stupid to realize it.I don't think Men's Wearhouse has $1,000 suits.
Judging by that picture, you've reached a level of succsess the average getbig member could barely fathom.
I feel the same way when vince talks about his art, calvin klein shirts and $1,000 dollar suits from men's wherehouse.
Causes
Ascites results from high pressure in the blood vessels of the liver (portal hypertension) and low levels of a protein called albumin.
Diseases that can cause severe liver damage can lead to ascites. These include long-term hepatitis C or B infection and alcohol abuse over many years.
People with certain cancers in the abdomen may develop ascites. These include cancer of the colon, ovaries, uterus, pancreas, and liver.
Other conditions that can cause this problem include:
Clots in the veins of the liver (portal vein thrombosis)
Congestive heart failure
Pancreatitis
Thickening and scarring of the sac like covering of the heart
Kidney dialysis may also be associated with ascites.
He had so many comorbidities it's hard to draw one conclusion.
:D Hope people are listening to the expert here....
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:DBodybuilding is a very healthy lifestyle.
Every bodybuilder in the last study I posted had kidney scarring. None of this is a surprise considering how Rich treated his body. Some things exacerbated by the coma as another poster mentioned.
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Every bodybuilder in the last study I posted had kidney scarring. None of this is a surprise considering how Rich treated his body. Some things exacerbated by the coma as another poster mentioned.
Thanks Walt - What's your guess about the 'micro-abcesses'? Can that be caused by intubation, particularly in such a (relatively) short space of time..?
(Also, the word co-morbid doesn't seem quite enough here - I'm thinking poly-morbid....)
so doctor confirmed that he didnt use synthol etc ?
well there you have it, now, can people stop spreading those rumours?
why do so many asians look like they got down syndrome ???
Damn. I think it’s safe to say that the dangers of steroids outweigh the positive.
Going to finish up this tren cycle and cruise on low dose test/GH/slin sporadically
isnt animated movie gifs something for teenagers? i thought we were a little older on this site no?
can we have one thread without them? just one?
so doctor confirmed that he didnt use synthol etc ?
well there you have it, now, can people stop spreading those rumours?
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so doctor confirmed that he didnt use synthol etc ?I believe that he admitted to PMMA, after his ex (Amy) said that he would go to Mexico and get the injections done. His upper body was filled with it, especially his arms, they had a plasticky, inflated look to them.
well there you have it, now, can people stop spreading those rumours?
Everything he did was disasterous to his health, he ate a diet full of processed sugars, hydrogenated oils, and saturated fats. He ate like shit, zero fruits or veggies, tons of sugar from cereals and icecream, Chipotle is shit, they cook their meats in hydrogenated oils, tons of those Lenny's protein cookies which contain tons of shit especially high fructose corn syrup. He took drugs for every activity from morning to night, uppers in the morning, bombing his body with stims, weed, coke, steroids, pain meds, perscription pills for hair (finasteride) viagra, sleep meds, gh, slin, melanotan. Tons of pmma which is a foreign substance in the human body and it just can't be healthy to have that stuff in you.Well said.
I believe that he admitted to PMMA, after his ex (Amy) said that he would go to Mexico and get the injections done. His upper body was filled with it, especially his arms, they had a plasticky, inflated look to them.
Everything he did was disastrous to his health, he ate a diet full of processed sugars, hydrogenated oils, and saturated fats. He ate like shit, zero fruits or veggies, tons of sugar from cereals and icecream, Chipotle is shit, they cook their meats in hydrogenated oils, tons of those Lenny's protein cookies which contain tons of shit especially high fructose corn syrup. He took drugs for every activity from morning to night, uppers in the morning, bombing his body with stims, weed, coke, steroids, pain meds, perscription pills for hair (finasteride) viagra, sleep meds, gh, slin, melanotan. Tons of pmma which is a foreign substance in the human body and it just can't be healthy to have that stuff in you.
Next will be this Dr. Tony Huge duchebag, this fucker can't go 1 single hour without popping or injecting something into his body. Tons of sarms, tons of steroids, tons of dnp, adderall, sleep meds, anxiety meds, stims,. metformin, viagra/cialis, shrooms, weed, and all uses it as an experiment for human evolution. Dude gets bloodwork done every fucking day, latest vids he's injecting gh right into his vein. Eats a terrible diet, tons of sugar, processed foods, ice cream, fucking guy is eating Thai street food which is absolutely terrible for you loaded with hydrogenated oils. Flies all over the world to fuck diseased $5 hookers, because even though he was a lawyer he still couldn't get any American chicks because he was just too fucking douchey. He just like Piana is enjoying life, so I gotta give him props, but he is another ticking time bomb, and the shit he is putting in his vids although sometimes entertaining, it is also very sad.
Damn. I think it’s safe to say that the dangers of steroids outweigh the positive.
Going to finish up this tren cycle and cruise on low dose test/GH/slin sporadically
So he didn't have a heart attack. The fact that he lived for so long could have masked what really happened that day. My "guess" is he threw a clot to his lung. All the other damage like to his brain and other organs could have been from the lack of oxygen while waiting for EMS and the many days spent in a coma. The pathologist had no reason to cut into his PMMA filled arms to do any kind of exploration. To this guy I'm sure he just saw a decently developed guy. Also, he weighed 220! Imagine how deflated he looked after being in a coma for that long and not eating or moving. Rich was essentially dead from the time he hit the floor.
No toxicology tests were administered
By the time he died, any rec drugs that were possibly from the incident would have pretty much cleared his system
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Great post. I have heard that marijuana can stay in your system for up to a month [as it is stored in fat cells]. Cocaine would be out of a person's system with 24 hours. Opiates, within about 72 hours. Methadone would take longer to clear as it has a longer half life, but I don't think he used methadone. Likely Oxycontin or something similar.
so basically he was fine
what kind of world is this when having a big heart will kill you?
This is the juicy part.
His heart was huge at 670 grams (normal heart weight for males: about 330 grams +/- 60).
They can't determine cause of death? HOW ABOUT HIS HEART WAS TWICE THE FUCKING SIZE.
but some gear is healthier than others
primo is the healthiest and then comes DECA
but some gear is healthier than others
primo is the healthiest and then comes DECA
I dont have much faith in the coroner??
i think he is saying some steroids are better than others
but yes, some steroids youre better of taking than not, for some people, wasnt that the reason they were made in teh first place
The morgue said they LOST his Toxicology report, the autopsy without a toxicology scan is NOTHING- I suspected he died from Fentanyl-laced blow or Oxy's http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/delta-police-nine-overdose-warning-1.3744776
Rich Piana had a stroke of luck that generation nothing was around to idolize his foolishness. Plain and simple.
The morgue said they LOST his Toxicology report, the autopsy without a toxicology scan is NOTHING- I suspected he died from Fentanyl-laced blow or Oxy's http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/delta-police-nine-overdose-warning-1.3744776
It must've taken a bunch of people to "lose" Piana's toxicology report, just look at it:
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Say what you want about Palumbo, the guy is very intelligent.
Rich Piana had a stroke. Plain and simple.
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Rich's body weighed only 221-lb? Would that be due to the time in the coma? Or was he a lot lighter than he stated he was? I was pretty sure that he was around 260-lb, as he had lost some weight recently. Also, did that massive cycle he did last year accelerate his death? Or was his death basically inevitable based on years and years of abuse? Greg Kovacs was 365-lb within about a year or two of his death - possibly even at the time of his death. He just never let it go, and it cost him decades of his life.
Rich's body weighed only 221-lb? Would that be due to the time in the coma? Or was he a lot lighter than he stated he was? I was pretty sure that he was around 260-lb, as he had lost some weight recently. Also, did that massive cycle he did last year accelerate his death? Or was his death basically inevitable based on years and years of abuse? Greg Kovacs was 365-lb within about a year or two of his death - possibly even at the time of his death. He just never let it go, and it cost him decades of his life.
No movement for 18 days, he was shrinking by the day.This along with not eating.
cocaine use.
Necrotic brain tissue associated with hemoragic/ischemic stroke.
Brain edema was caused perhaps when he fall to the sink.
Would a pacemaker have saved himNo not if he had a stroke.
Would a pacemaker have saved him
Most likely a sudden arrhythmia caused by something. This is all up in the air without a toxicology report because most of the issues described in the report are caused by his intubation and 18 days in a coma. He actually died from sepsis as exemplified by the condition of his lungs (again the coma).
His body was shutting down from day one. Necrotic brain tissue was due to lack of oxygen. People with lung embolism can drop dead in a second. It was also reported that he had trouble breathing leading up to the days of his death.
Ventricular tachycardia (arrhythmia) would have dropped him a likely did. Mis fires lead to heart stopping leads to brain tissue necrosis. It took awhile to restart his heart. His lungs showed pneumonia which is common for people in a coma and breathing on a vent.
He had trouble breathing walking down the road in that gen iron movie and in many of his videos.
Would have had to be a certain type of arrhythmia like V-Tach or V-Fib. His complaints of being out of breath leading up to his demise shows either a blocked artery or embolism. He had no large amounts of plaque in his arteries.
You're right the pneumonia probably was a result of him being on vent and his heart being damaged and fluid backing up into his lungs. Walking around at 260 + and breathing hard is not the same as sitting around and having episodes of shortness of breath. He should have went to the hospital first thing. They would have done a D-Dimer test and a cat-scan of his lungs. Good chance he would have been saved.
I think even a heart workup like ecg, ekg, echo etc and awareness of those enlarged ventricals. Ventricular tach from a substance like cocaine is not uncommon. Being out of breath can also be weight related but who knows. It's really hard to complete the puzzle with a large piece missing. My years in cardiac surgery and speaking to a couple docs just leads me to the aforementioned belief that something set his heart into v tech and dropped him.
I think even a heart workup like ecg, ekg, echo etc and awareness of those enlarged ventricals. Ventricular tach from a substance like cocaine is not uncommon. Being out of breath can also be weight related but who knows. It's really hard to complete the puzzle with a large piece missing. My years in cardiac surgery and speaking to a couple docs just leads me to the aforementioned belief that something set his heart into v tech and dropped him.
You agree the reddit post earlier looks correct?
Quite possible but the only thing that makes me wonder is the way his girlfriend said he was complaining of being short of breath. Of course we will never know. Until the autopsy I would have bet money he had a plain ole heart attack.
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"Enlarged heart= cardiomegaly. IGF1 induced.
Atherosclerosis is the result of chronic AAS abuse and CNS stimulants, due to high BP.
Ascitis is linked with liver disease.
FLD is among the side effects of tamoxifen. But is also a sign of insulin resistance (GH induced), poor diet rich in trans fat and refined sugars.
Fluid in lungs could be a sign of pulmonary edema, linked with cocaine use. Its also the result of LHF and chronic cardiomegaly.
Thyroid disease could be GH induced.
Necrotic brain tissue associated with hemoragic/ischemic stroke.
Brain edema was caused perhaps when he fall to the sink.
Renal function and CRF are induced by trenbolone and CNS stimulants. Glomeruli and renal tubules are highly affected.
Fat embolism is the result of abrupt oily injections. They make you cough soon after."
This is the stupidest comment in this thread. You're actually saying these two steroids are "healthy"? So are you better off doing these steroids or not doing them?
I've seen Toulitaos on Facebook and that guy is an idiot. Amazing that he's a doc, even I with no medical training can see that his knowledge base pathetic, even when it comes to steroids.
Walter, do you know of this guy? What do you think?
Yes! I'm friends Thomas O'Connor and he posted this BS under his video. His video totally dismantled everything that idiot posted.
King Zane said sometjinb to the effect that gear can cause suprahealth
He said it not me
P.s. Deca and Primo have immune system boosting properties
For you to evo answer is the same
"Immune boosting" in itself means nothing.
I bet Zane knows jack shit about steroids, or knew whenever he said that.
I'll give you the same example as earlier. Say you take Primo by itself. You'll have no estrogen in your body, and no test either. Do you think that is healthy?
"Immune boosting" in itself means nothing.
I bet Zane knows jack shit about steroids, or knew whenever he said that.
I'll give you the same example as earlier. Say you take Primo by itself. You'll have no estrogen in your body, and no test either. Do you think that is healthy?
Your wasting your time - He doesn't know
Just says things Parrot Fashion or pm's gh15 for an answer
I don't think he's to bright (a 40w bulb not a 120w bulb)
Suffers from touettes & is Anorexic.
Whatever it takes.
5%
No movement for 18 days, he was shrinking by the day.
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I am my own man and i march to the beat of mine own drum 😜
just look into one video of his,, the bodybuild was gone long long time ago.. he lived a life time not being a bodybuild yet putting in himself some serious shit as if he was bodybuild.. i believe he stopped bodybuild in 2007 or so.. a decade of poison of all kinds into the body with out being a bodybuild.. only pmma held him on the size.. this wasn't realy muscle i keep saying ths over and over,, you cant surive long this way especialy not with his havock kind of life,,
add to it the Icelandic whore and you pass on relatively young,,
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There was no way out for him. Imagine how fast his 5% followers would have bailed on him if he decided to go healthy and age gracefully. His bottom line would shrink faster than Tom Prince.
Which makes me wonder... what are all those tatted 5%'ers doing right now? Are they still working for the company? Are they homeless? What happened to Rich's company after he died?
Oh man... :-XDude was not happy. You could see it. He couldn't move properly, and the people around him were leeches. He gave the impression that he was happy. As its been said, bodybuilding is an illusion, and that is what he provided. The illusion of happiness, the illusion of having it all.
When Rich got married, someone said "Rich is in his last ten years. Don't be so hard on him."
Truer words had never been spoken. :-X
:-X :-X :-X
And the fact that it was actually within two years is even worse. While I was confident that he would die young, and possibly not even make 55, I was somewhat surprised that he only made 46. Rich talked to literally anyone who came up to him. He was living life on his own terms, and was at the helm of a massive supplement company. He lived an unorthodox life, but a happy one. I was not happy to hear about his coma and subsequent passing. :(
Yeah its just way off,,,,
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would listen to the people on here that actually know what they are talking about. If 10 people told you one thing and 1 person says the opposite, you would follow the 1 dj...just your mentality, not your fault, you lack the cranial capacity to deduce and alter this.
Nah, i just ask for opinioms not advice big diff actually
I test each thing myself and if it works for me, like deca, i use it 😎
Dude was not happy. You could see it. He couldn't move properly, and the people around him were leeches. He gave the impression that he was happy. As its been said, bodybuilding is an illusion, and that is what he provided. The illusion of happiness, the illusion of having it all.
QFT
i can even recall his Ex Amy coming on saying his their home at the time had a great backyard pool and that is where he shot all his videos , the rest of the house was shit that's why he never filmed inside it.
non of his cars had original paint jobs because they were all salvaged titled with check engine lights on.
Smoke and Mirrors
She lived near me a few years back and she is a druggy who can barely function
Dude was not happy. You could see it. He couldn't move properly, and the people around him were leeches. He gave the impression that he was happy. As its been said, bodybuilding is an illusion, and that is what he provided. The illusion of happiness, the illusion of having it all.
if it worked for you 200mgs a week would do it, not 2 fucking grams
She lived near me a few years back and she is a druggy who can barely function
cause of death
narcotics
huge! amounts of pmma
end of case,, i already told it before.. i respect the fact he passed on in this universe and ths is why i don't make him a hole like he should have for how he tried to imitate me and twisted my bible,, i keep silent but what took him was narcotics and abuse of pmma.. those are the 2 main ingredients in his passing on cocktail
he passed on from stroke/heart attack same result in the end especialy with wht he was on,,
gh15 approved
lion of Judah
I see that you are going to completely disregard the fact that you convinced absolutely no one that you aren't a gimmick...
Some of the worst attempts at aping another poster's style I've ever seen on here.
He's busy now having a trenbaloney sandwich and speaking with the president. :D
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Most of the condition other than the enlarged heart and brain necrosis come from sepsis from being on life support for 18 days...the congestion in the organs..discoloration... the body basically is just rotting from the inside....would happen to anyone on life support that long...
Question is simply HOW...since he passed out immediately it is NOT a heart attack...he would feel pain...discomfort and at least some time..even seconds...but his girlfriend said he just immediately became unresponsive....One way someone just passes out like that is a drug overdose....with the heart weakness snorting coke or meth or any "upper" could triggger fibrylation of the heart...just gone...ala Len Bias who had a congenital weakness he didn't know about before using coke...had no chance...whatever arrythmia Rich had was triggered by whatever he snorted.
Cocaine in particular is notorious for exposing weak hearts(Andy Gibb is another example)
If he died from a stroke or heart attack the autopsy would have reported that. He died from a drug overdose. Fluid fills the lungs when your respirations are supressed from an overdose of narcotics, then you eventually stop breathing all together. Of course he had ischemic areas of the brain and dead brain cells. He was brain dead from the overdose, only reason he was technically alive was because of the ventilator.
From what people are saying in Tampa where my friend trains, he was snorting phenabut and melatonin, fell asleep and hit his head.
HE WAS SNORTING IT BECAUSE HE WAS SEEING IF A GH NASAL DELIVERY SYSTEM WOULD WORK BETTER.
^^^ yates claimed he did a trip on some kind of hallucinates and after his trip he became more humble maybe you and i should follow suit ;D
Recall the pill container he had, where he was medicated for just about everything, and the interview with Dave Palumbo in New York where Ronnie pulled out a bottle of morphine pills, which he said don't even work for him anymore. :-\
Also there is also a thing called nubain. I would say that 80 percent of people in bodybuilding, pros and amateurs, are using or have used nubain in the course of their development. I luckily never used it. I went to use it one year and had someone send me some, but it never arrived - this was at the beginning of the '90s.
It can help you to train very hard, which I learned through watching others who were using it. Basically you can inject it and you can work twice as hard. Let's say you are working on your back and doing 20 sets in 45 minutes. You can do 50 or 60 sets and you can do these with biceps and everything else.
So a lot of people who have torn muscle groups, which does happen when you over stimulate them with weights or genetically it is not that stable to begin with, but in a lot of cases excessive nubain use is creating these tears. So it is not only anabolic steroids and synthol, it is also painkillers a lot of people are using.
Bodybuilding is a sport where you find a lot of drug addicts. They are former drug addicts and they have come into bodybuilding because they have always used needles and pills or they have done anabolic drugs before and they come over to bodybuilding. So there is no real borderline between being an alcoholic, a bodybuilder and a drug addict.
I know people who have to go every 30 minutes when they are in public to a public restroom to inject nubain because they are nubain addicts. They start using it in the beginning to train harder and longer but they end up using it to get a kick out of it, a high. And nubain is a synthetic drug, a morphine that is basically a cousin of heroin.
I talked to Chad Nichols about seven years ago and he told me that the average nubain bill for one bodybuilder in U.S. dollars is about 1600 dollars per month. I think nubain costs you way more money than synthol so I don't think it is necessarily synthol that is the problem. Because synthol over applied makes a very un-aesthetic appearance but on the other side nubain is more dangerous because it is addictive and synthol is not.
A lot of bodybuilders here in the U.S. are also using ketamine on a regular basis. They mix ketamine with nubain and take anabolic steroids, take ecstasy and cocaine and then sometimes go with this whole combo and compete with it.
In most cases bodybuilders are just drug addicts - nothing more, nothing less. It's not to put myself above them; it's just how it is. And the main reason why people like myself don't consume any kinds of drugs besides anabolic steroids, which I have been taking definitely, is to not become a drug addict.
I sometimes have problems stopping eating certain foods when I am on my diet so what problems would I have if I took all of these drugs on top of that? I would like to preserve myself and not subject myself to drug dependency like most people do here in this country.
HE WAS SNORTING IT BECAUSE HE WAS SEEING IF A GH NASAL DELIVERY SYSTEM WOULD WORK BETTER
Dorian didn't simply trip once, he's done a lot of different hallucinogens and party drugs by his own admission. Someone said Nasser called Dorian the Nubain Warrior.
Of course Yates is now a major cannabis advocate. Ironically Nasser claimed he never did any drugs yet he died and Yates is going strong. I would also be very surprised if Ronnie isn't an addict right now, but he has a legit excuse for using painkillers. Matt said:
gh15 is simply wrong saying only a few champs used rec drugs. Here's what Nasser said, 80% of pros were addicts!
Rec drugs destroy people but many champs use them, that's a fact. I mean, how many pros would not ever use narcotic sleeping pills, say close to a contest? The ones who never touched anything are in a very tiny minority.
Several people have told me that "most" pros smoke weed, whenever there is say an expo where pros are gathered most smoke.
Is there something going on here that I don't know about? Some kind of recreational drug use between members of GetBig? I'm going to go over this for the last god damn time and hopefully you people get it straight. Rich Piana DID DO REC DRUGS....BUT THAT DIDN'T KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What you people are saying is like the drug user that gets hit by a car walking across the street so thats what killed him...very foolish.
I heard this from a friend in Tampa who knows Rich's good friends down there. Rich was testing out a new HGH releasing product. He had Phenabutt and Melatonin along with (Benedryl-I did not know this yesterday but apparrently Rich was breaking open the caps and mixing all this powder into one pile)
Pretty stupid, YES! He OD'ed on these three products by nasal delivery for better absorption.
This is the last time I'm going to comment on this foolish talk. I spent over two months greiving Rich Piana and what a terrible loss to the Super Sport Of Bodybuilding that I'm not falling off the wagon again.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She lived near me a few years back and she is a druggy who can barely function
So in other words you know more than the coroner. It's almost like you were there when he collapsed and could see inside his body by some magic and could see the interplay between an allergy medicine, a mild gaba agonist and an endogenous hormone shutting down his system. That's some gift.
Dorian didn't simply trip once, he's done a lot of different hallucinogens and party drugs by his own admission. Someone said Nasser called Dorian the Nubain Warrior.
Of course Yates is now a major cannabis advocate. Ironically Nasser claimed he never did any drugs yet he died and Yates is going strong. I would also be very surprised if Ronnie isn't an addict right now, but he has a legit excuse for using painkillers. Matt said:
gh15 is simply wrong saying only a few champs used rec drugs. Here's what Nasser said, 80% of pros were addicts!
Rec drugs destroy people but many champs use them, that's a fact. I mean, how many pros would not ever use narcotic sleeping pills, say close to a contest? The ones who never touched anything are in a very tiny minority.
Several people have told me that "most" pros smoke weed, whenever there is say an expo where pros are gathered most smoke.
Dorian didn't simply trip once, he's done a lot of different hallucinogens and party drugs by his own admission. Someone said Nasser called Dorian the Nubain Warrior.
Of course Yates is now a major cannabis advocate. Ironically Nasser claimed he never did any drugs yet he died and Yates is going strong. I would also be very surprised if Ronnie isn't an addict right now, but he has a legit excuse for using painkillers. Matt said:
Recall the pill container he had, where he was medicated for just about everything, and the interview with Dave Palumbo in New York where Ronnie pulled out a bottle of morphine pills, which he said don't even work for him anymore. :-\
and where is beautiful man with glases now? um?
I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you mean Nasser did drugs too despite denying it? Do you disagree with Nasser's statement that 80% of pros used drugs?
Why did Nasser die young in your opinion?
Is it true that Levrone drank a lot even while competing?
Here's the thing fellas...
"Health" is HIGHLY HIGHLY DEPENDENT UPON..... GENETICS
If you have outstanding health genetics like me you can use and abuse all kinds of shit and still live to old age, but.... If you got shit health genetics then you will die younger no matter what the fuck you do
If that's the case why do you look like a 60 year old man in your triceps press video?
If that's the case why do you look like a 60 year old man in your triceps press video?
and where is beautiful man with glases now? um?
I didn't say only few champs,, I am one champ who didn't and many othrs didn't,, it is the wanna bes who used,, yes some in the 90s used narcotics indeed but most of us the serious athletes never touch this shit,, its like fellas say that Arnold drank.. no he didn't.. they confuse little balonie for attention with real drunks,,
no serious athletes can do narcotics and be successful.. it doesn't work together.. moment yo udo narcotics you are done with being at the top there is free fall and then the suden death to be blamed wrongly on things who hve nothing to do with their addiction,,
narcotics is what kill athletes,, I ate drank and peed trenbolona ace for over 7 years! straight pretty much evry day or 2 or 3 or 4 -5 if I was lazy fuck and not competing,, and knocn on wood never had issue,,
longevity is name of the game,, do not! do drugs,,
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lion of Judah
And if i come to flingland will you spar with me
Honestly i don't know how.bad id hurt you, coz i hate you less than many others here so you're lucky
I would punch a hole right trough your stupid spindly little frame you moron
you have done a total of 4 months boxing training, I Thai boxed for a year after I stopped lifting, I wouldn't even mention that to anyone as I only dipped my toe in it.
4 months boxing with probably 10 sparring sessions and you think you are Tommy Hearns
wake up you fucking dipstick...
But i am fearless and i know for a fact that i punch VERY HARDthen why not make a video of you working the bag like you promised last year?
Im fast and athletic, very fast hands 😎
how about you guys wrestle instead? as much as we getbiggers like to watch a good boxing match, i think i speak for all of us when i say we enjoy two men wrestling a lot more
I hate grappling looks gay as shit
Rolling around on the mat groping each others cock and balls
Thanks, but no thanks
that wouldn't happen with us, I would just take one of your arms, stand on your torso and tear it off.
I know with me he was on oxy,,adderrall, extacy**, GHB, Soma, Ambien and I know from Sara and others he started Crystal meth and coke which i.couldnt believe. He would also use edible forms of marijuama. Imnsure I missed something that's just off top of my head. He also abused insulin too for bodybuilding pirposes
whatabout horny goatweed? did he use that?
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/rich-piana-reportedly-snort-pre-workout-cocaine-article-1.3631926
i told you already on gh15 site months ago,, it was cocaine,, you die from narcotics end of case
i explain it was stroke due to cocaine use,,
he passed on from narcotics,, wether stoke or heart attack.. he passed on due to narcotics usge
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lion of Judah
i told you already on gh15 site months ago,, it was cocaine,, you die from narcotics end of case
i explain it was stroke due to cocaine use,,
he passed on from narcotics,, wether stoke or heart attack.. he passed on due to narcotics usge
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lion of Judah
Are you honestly saying that his steroid usage of almost 30 years had nothing to do with his advanced heart disease, enlarged heart, fatty liver, damaged kidneys...etc..?
Staying away from recreational drugs didn't work for Nasser.Or Mattarazzo
Are you honestly saying that his steroid usage of almost 30 years had nothing to do with his advanced heart disease, enlarged heart, fatty liver, damaged kidneys...etc..?
Staying away from recreational drugs didn't work for Nasser.
Are you honestly saying that his steroid usage of almost 30 years had nothing to do with his advanced heart disease, enlarged heart, fatty liver, damaged kidneys...etc..?
I think Nasser took so much T3 he had to take it permanently, someone said it on the boards years ago that he said it at a seminar. Just as bad as Rec drugs, and lets face it, it had to be something that killed him so early.What is odd is how no one knows what was the cause of death of one of most popular bbers of the 90s. Just like with Dallas. Also, even with Piana.
I think Nasser took so much T3 he had to take it permanently, someone said it on the boards years ago that he said it at a seminar. Just as bad as Rec drugs, and lets face it, it had to be something that killed him so early.
T3 is just as bad as recs? I don't understand why someone can be so uninformed and yet try to speak with authority. T3 is a hormone naturally produced in your body just like testosterone, and like testosterone, there are millions that take exogenous t3 for decades. Your body doesn't know or care if the hormone is coming from a pill, inject or pituitary gland.
Of course anything can be abused but there is no evidence that Nasser was abusing t3 at the time of his death. He could very well be on t3, as well as trt, due to pass abuse but there was nothing to suggest he was still abusing t3. Why would he? He didn't need it as he was no longer competing. I'm sure he was still abusing AAS just to maintain that size but t3?
Did you even read the report?
i told you already on gh15 site months ago,, it was cocaine,, you die from narcotics end of case
i explain it was stroke due to cocaine use,,
he passed on from narcotics,, wether stoke or heart attack.. he passed on due to narcotics usge
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lion of Judah
dave palumbo suspects foul play on his radio show, he thinks rich piana got murdered!
dave palumbo suspects foul play on his radio show, he thinks rich piana got murdered!
i told you already on gh15 site months ago,, it was cocaine,, you die from narcotics end of caseHow is Keith Richards still alive?
i explain it was stroke due to cocaine use,,
he passed on from narcotics,, wether stoke or heart attack.. he passed on due to narcotics usge
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lion of Judah
Why Is Rich Piana Buried In A Unmarked Grave????
I’m lost on this. Did the cocain force it’s way up his nose?
Dave loves too stir up "BULLSHIT" and controversy for his web show, nothing new.
Dave "knows more" than a Autopsist...Please stop Dave.
Rich Piansa has passed R.I.P.
Nasser El Sonbaty has passed R.I.P.
Move on Dave "DIPSHIT Dumbass" Palumbo" and find something else to talk about
and drop the old ass Nasser shyt as well you and Chris aren't even funny with lame ass voice imitations. Chris is definitely 100% Gay.
^does he hve half his body made of pmma?
he also have the money to take care of himself.. piano didnt hve a dime to his name.. not a damn dime,, the company wasnt his,, he was the freak factor,, and even that company is notihng if you think about it..
keith Richards is a god.. he is musicians from times where music was legit music and you needed to know hwo to play or you would be thrown in a maradona kick out of the stage you woud never get a record deal if you were not superb! and forget about any success if you didnt know to play and sing not only sing.. you think mick jagger can only sing? he is musician you give him an instrument he wil make music out of it,, same for any one from rod stuart to sting to paul mcarthney to stevie wonder to anyone who is legit musician,,
back to the subject.. Richards has the money to hve someone monitoring him any given second if he choose to but this is not the issue.. he just didnt put in him this disgusting pmma.. years upon years of this foreign object in the body.. fake muscle all the way and on top of it narcotics
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Dave loves too stir up "BULLSHIT" and controversy for his web show, nothing new.
Dave "knows more" than a Autopsist...Please stop Dave.
Rich Piansa has passed R.I.P.
Nasser El Sonbaty has passed R.I.P.
Move on Dave "DIPSHIT Dumbass" Palumbo" and find something else to talk about
and drop the old ass Nasser shyt as well you and Chris aren't even funny with lame ass voice imitations. Chris is definitely 100% Gay.
Someone told me that only6%of people die by the age of 50. So naturally, foul play is very often suspected when someone who is 46 passes away. However, I think with Rich's extensive drug use, we can put that aside. Rich was by far not a normal person. The human body was not designed to sustain what Rich put his through.
dave palumbo suspects foul play on his radio show, he thinks rich piana got murdered!
look shithead, you have demonstrated many times on here you can write coherently and spell correctly when you forget yourself, why do you keep typing shit like this that is ineligible, its got to be harder to deliberately type things wrong than simply spell it correctly.
You are a fucking moron.
is there an autopsy report for Mccarver Dallas?
The promoters and heads of the industry don't care, they will use the bodybuilders until they die or get sick, and another one will show up.
After reading and analyzing Big Contrys report, its compleetely bonkers the way bodybuilding is headed
After reading and analyzing Big Contrys report, its compleetely bonkers the way bodybuilding is headed
If anything, the McCarver autopsy showed Rich to be in better than expected health*, given the length of time he'd been taking everything....
*very very relatively speaking of course...
If anything, the McCarver autopsy showed Rich to be in better than expected health*, given the length of time he'd been taking everything....
*very very relatively speaking of course...
Genetic lottery. Two young bodybuilders from the tiny state I live in had liver tomors. One had surgery and went on to win the Cutler then just had more removed. The others guy had a good part of his liver removed. He then competed and won the middleweights at the Cutler. Maybe a year later develop leukemia, battled it hard and lost...only 34 when he died.
Both had hepatic tomors that are usually tied to estrogen. There was another high level bodybuilder that had leukemia but I can’t remember his name.
Dennis Newman..
Yes thanks. Didn’t he make a comeback too?
"Dallas Died"
"What was wrong with him?"
"Nothing really"
Genetic lottery. Two young bodybuilders from the tiny state I live in had liver tomors. One had surgery and went on to win the Cutler then just had more removed. The other guy had a good part of his liver removed. He then competed and won the middleweights at the Cutler. Maybe a year later developed leukemia, battled it hard and lost...only 34 when he died.
Both had hepatic tomors that are usually tied to estrogen. There was another high level bodybuilder that had leukemia but I can’t remember his name.
He seemed like the type who saw a doctor consistently and really only did just enough to achieve the size he wanted. Of course his genetics helped as well. But it's worth noting he is only early 40's. Who knows where he'll be in 8-10 years.
Not every body has the genes of a Jay Cutler or. A raon Coleman who can literally drink testosterone by the gallon straight from a jug
Also, a “try till I die” attitude is much to be blamed wherein peepole simply stopped listening to their body
He seemed like the type who saw a doctor consistently and really only did just enough to achieve the size he wanted. Of course his genetics helped as well. But it's worth noting he is only early 40's. Who knows where he'll be in 8-10 years.
Coke/Energy Drinks aside, you can't stay as heavy as Piana for much past 45, muscle or fat. Dorian is being very smart going down a bit because his body was holding 265 or so pretty consistently a few years ago and that can't last.
Good point - him and Palumbo have demonstrated that either they never had dysmorphia, or if they did, at least they got over it. I mean, what does Dave P weigh nowadays I wonder? A buck fifty? (To use the terminology of one of our more active board members ;)) I reckon he must be close to weighing around 50% of what he used to weigh when bulked to the 300s.....It's actually quite interesting to look at BMI charts. Most people are heavier than they should be for optimal health.
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Good point - him and Palumbo have demonstrated that either they never had dysmorphia, or if they did, at least they got over it. I mean, what does Dave P weigh nowadays I wonder? A buck fifty? (To use the terminology of one of our more active board members ;)) I reckon he must be close to weighing around 50% of what he used to weigh when bulked to the 300s.....
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Coke/Energy Drinks aside, you can't stay as heavy as Piana for much past 45, muscle or fat. Dorian is being very smart going down a bit because his body was holding 265 or so pretty consistently a few years ago and that can't last.