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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt on April 12, 2021, 06:58:08 PM
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Predisposed genetic defect?
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Seriously who gives a fuck. An Orange hair blush wearing fuckhead catering to fags long before Onlyfans won’t be missed.
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AIDS wasted looking Palumbo has no right to claim the
Synthol addict Brad is an iron brother.
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(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.t0SylLf-_wqX5ElOIjc5SQHaEK&pid=15.1).
https://www.bradhollibaugh.net/store/DVDs.html .
The man gave to his fans. RIP.
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AIDS wasted looking Palumbo has no right to claim the
Synthol addict Brad is an iron brother.
I think Dave meant when they both competed in the Ironage. Both were Ironage bodybuilders.
One thing that must be very hard on pro bodybuilders is retiring, and looking like they never took bodybuilding seriously.
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Where are the bodies? WHERE ARE THE BODIES?? :D
(https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D03AQGYP9cADD3lPw/profile-displayphoto-shrink_200_200/0/1516855959154?e=1622073600&v=beta&t=A10GlK_ahQfeEZXr3h-C4Ve3Ef0UekljXc0iUvhd8W8)
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Where are the bodies? WHERE ARE THE BODIES?? :D
(https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D03AQGYP9cADD3lPw/profile-displayphoto-shrink_200_200/0/1516855959154?e=1622073600&v=beta&t=A10GlK_ahQfeEZXr3h-C4Ve3Ef0UekljXc0iUvhd8W8)
The interesting thing about that HBO documentary news video with John Romano was that it came out in 2004 - exactly when the first "chemical era" bodybuilder died young [Sonny Schmidt, who was 50 at the time].
At the time, John was right...but steroids ramped up massively once Dorian Yates started winning his Mr. Olympia titles in 1992.
And now we have the bodies...
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At this rate steroids will kill more people than covid :'(
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At this rate steroids will kill more people than covid :'(
I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
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I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
I know but they were relatives of coworkers.
I have also asked myself a few times if this thing is real. I barely see people out coughing. You'd think if there was a pandemic people would be keeling over on the streets.
Here Brad looks like Dorian. RIP!
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I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
I do Matt. No only deaths but in severe condition for some months now. Men in their fifties.
I also know many many more who had it and was nothing more than a strange flu.
I still fear more crossing a heavily traffic road than getting covid.
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rip schmoe fighting oilsack
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RIP
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I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
I know three people who died of Covid. One was a buddy of mine in his late 40s, he was otherwise perfectly healthy; one of my faculty died about 6 months ago; and the Dean of Admissions at my university died in December. The latter two were in their 60s. By the time you’re in your 60s other health issues are probably at play, but to the people who knew them they were apparently healthy and fully functional until Covid cut them down.
Not sure how old Brad was, or what he looked like in recent years, but very sorry to hear of his passing. I believe he was married for many years and apparently his wife knew of his side hustle (pun intended) and was ok with it. R.I.P. Big guy. :'(
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I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
Yep - 50 year old fat guy and 27 year old 'normal' sized woman
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The interesting thing about that HBO documentary news video with John Romano was that it came out in 2004 - exactly when the first "chemical era" bodybuilder died young [Sonny Schmidt, who was 50 at the time].
At the time, John was right...but steroids ramped up massively once Dorian Yates started winning his Mr. Olympia titles in 1992.
And now we have the bodies...
Ramped up massively with Dorian, but Dorian was also one of the more intelligent ones quitting it early/in time! (before it ruined his health/killed him)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6H2oG6X4AUAhoG.jpg)
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Yep - 50 year old fat guy and 27 year old 'normal' sized woman
What's the story on the woman? Did the 27 year old have health issues?
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Ramped up massively with Dorian, but Dorian was also one of the more intelligent ones quitting it early/in time! (before it ruined his health/killed him)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6H2oG6X4AUAhoG.jpg)
tearing his bicep and triceps probably saved his life
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tearing his bicep and triceps probably saved his life
And his hairline.
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Seriously who gives a fuck. An Orange hair blush wearing fuckhead catering to fags long before Onlyfans won’t be missed.
Lots of people crowded around him at the Expos (way more than just fags) and he was extremely friendly. Just loved showing off his synthol to the fans. Interesting dude. I bet very few people have any negative words on him, and that boils down to the essential despite all else.
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Brad Hollibaugh:
Height 5'9"
Weight 260
1995
Nationals - NPC, HeavyWeight, 12th
1998
USA Championships - NPC, Super-HeavyWeight, 14th
1999
USA Championships - NPC, Super-HeavyWeight, 11th
2000
Nationals - NPC, Super-HeavyWeight, 12th
2003
USA Nationals - NABBA, Medium-Tall, 2nd
Magazines
1999 March Num 6 Peak Training Journal
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The interesting thing about that HBO documentary news video with John Romano was that it came out in 2004 - exactly when the first "chemical era" bodybuilder died young [Sonny Schmidt, who was 50 at the time].
At the time, John was right...but steroids ramped up massively once Dorian Yates started winning his Mr. Olympia titles in 1992.
And now we have the bodies...
Schmidt died of cancer. What did that have to do with steroids?
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Synthol is bad for your kidneys and causes blood clots. Who knew?
Flex wheeler should have gave him a hint. Lost a kidney and half his leg to that sht
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Synthol is bad for your kidneys and causes blood clots. Who knew?
Flex wheeler should have gave him a hint. Lost a kidney and half his leg to that sht
I believe Brad already had a kidney transplant years ago. He was on imunosupressant meds.
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tearing his bicep and triceps probably saved his life
And this was the "lifesaver" for JP Fux then I guess...? ::)
(https://www.gannikus.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Jean-Pierre-Fux-1024x596.jpg)
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rip schmoe fighting oilsack
LOL
I interviewed this guy in the late 90s. Seemed like an OK fella.
But I have heard about his “perversions”.
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I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
Nobody. Not one person. And I know everyfuckingbody.
20+ people I know have tested positive. One of them was hospitalized. One. He walked out two days later.
It's all bullshit.
Death by influenza, heart disease, systemic organ failure, emphysema, and cardiovascular disease have miraculously dropped by 97 percent. It's a miracle!
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Schmidt died of cancer. What did that have to do with steroids?
steroids might be an accelerator for cancer cells just like they speed up muscle cells , just a theory ,I could be wrong.
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steroids might be an accelerator for cancer cells just like they speed up muscle cells , just a theory ,I could be wrong.
first guy that they attributed steroids to his early death. Tom Sansone
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Born October 20, 1935
Died October 16, 1974
[magazine articles]
1954
Mr National Collegiate - AAU, Winner
1955
Mr National Capital - AAU, 3rd
Mr New York Metropolitan - AAU, Winner
Mr New York State - AAU, Winner
1956
Mr America - AAU, 20th
Mr New York City - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr New York City - AAU, Tall, 1st
1957
Mr America - AAU, 4th
Mr Eastern America - AAU, Tall, 2nd
1958
Mr America - AAU, Winner
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Junior Mr America - AAU, East , 1st
1963
Mr Universe - NABBA, Overall Winner
Mr Universe - NABBA, Tall, 1st
Magazines
1958 February Vol 1, Num 1 Muscle Builder
1958 September Vol 18, Num 2 IronMan
1958 November Strength and Health
1958 December Vol 1, Num 9 Mr America
1959 January Vol 2, Num 2 Muscle Sculpture
1959 February Vol 1, Num 6 Muscle Builder
1959 March Vol 1, Num 7 Muscle Builder
1959 May Strength and Health
1959 December Vol 3, Num 1 Muscle Sculpture
1960 May Strength and Health
1963 February Vol 22, Num 3 IronMan
1963 June Strength and Health
1963 October Vol 92, Num 21 Health and Strength
1964 February Vol 93, Num 4 Health and Strength
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Muscular Development, Vol 12, No 1, Page 24, January 1975
The Demise Of Tom Sansone
THE TRAGIC NEWS shocked us!
Tom Sansone, Mr. America of 1958 died . . . and still only in his thirties. It just couldn't be we thought; Tom, we heard, was always in fairly good shape, rugged and strong.
It was late July when we first heard that Tom was in hard training and making the kind of gains that every weight trainee strives to achieve. But something wasn't right. Tom used to complain about internal pain and it bothered him considerably for months, all the while growing more intense. He then got a medical checkup which proved that one kidney was badly infected and there were other complications. But the doctors couldn't even guess the seriousness of his condition because even at this stage Tom was indeed a massive, muscular specimen and terminal cancer was the farthest thing from their minds. An exploratory operation was suggested to determine the seriousness of the condition and to mend the kidney if possible.
What they found was not very encouraging. One kidney was removed, part of his lungs had to be cut away and there some complications about Tom's heart.
Yet for a time, Tom seemed to rally. He came out of the operation in fine shape and those who visited him after his surgery said he looked great and looked like he would make it. He had none of the "dragged out, drawn feeling" that most people who undergo surgery show, especially those who undergo major surgery. Everyone who saw Tom felt that after another few days rest, he would be on the road to complete recovery. Even the doctors were optimistic although they did inform Tom that he had cancer, then adding that they felt sure they removed all the infected areas and that his chances for complete recovery were excellent.
A short time later we received a call from a concerned friend who said that Tom's case was terminal and that it was only a matter of weeks. This was hard news to accept and we felt sure that it was only a rumor, an error, so we promptly forgot it. Instead we expected to hear news of how Tom was back in training again and making good progress in his training. So it was with some shock that the tragic news of Tom's death on October 16th hit us. We were really disturbed and the news was most difficult to accept but facts are facts and there was no way we could alter them.
The sad details of Tom's death could not be pieced together immediately, and even now the facts are not clear except that Tom was just another cancer victim in spite of his massiveness and muscularity.
As many readers may recall, Tom began training as a teenager and during the early 50s he made an impact in physique contests around New York City. By mid-summer of 1956 he developed sufficiently enough to win the Mr. New York City title, which was always of great importance. Two years later he entered and won the Mr. America contest, which proved to be another great achievement for him. Then London was the scene for two more great victories. In 1963 he won the amateur Mr. Universe crown there and sometime later he went back to garner the professional title.
That, to our knowledge, was the last time that Tom participated in a physique contest, although we had heard that he always stayed in great shape, since working in a health studio afforded him a better opportunity than any other vocation. However, we had heard rumors that Tom smoked a lot and was addicted to using tissue building drugs - steroids. When he was hospitalized we heard more of such rumors. If Tom was a steroid user, and there was evidence to prove that he did take anabolics, there can be no doubt that this contributed to his untimely death at 38 years of age. The sad facts remain that while steroids can and do stimulate tissue growth, these steroids are unable to differentiate between benign and malignant cells and the reaction is the same on both...stimulating and encouraging growth! [THIS IS FALSE]
It's very possible that Tom's internal system harbored cancer cells that laid dormant and just waiting for a catalyst of some sort to send them off on a tangent, and such a catalyst is the anabolic drug - steroids.
It's really sad and kind of frightening to think what some bodybuilders will do just to gain a couple extra pounds or put on an extra quarter-inch of muscle here and there. Dedication is fine, but to try and build your body at the risk of losing your life is downright idiotic!
It's really unfortunate that anyone should be so rock-headed as to assume that he can beat the odds, although he may . . . for a time. Eventually, however, it will get to him and then what would be the purpose of all that training, sweating and sacrificing when, in the end, he winds up dead and all he leaves behind are some unpaid bills!
Tom's is not an isolated case. It's happened before and continues to happen but little is heard about them. One of our men (some years ago) started taking these drugs without supervision and for no apparent reason except, "I feel better when taking them" he said. This "better" feeling didn't last too long, however, because the cancer cells which were lying dormant in his lower duodenum started to grow, stimulated by the anabolics he took and hastened his demise!
Actually in his case his muscles or strength never responded very much to the drug, and when he finally underwent surgery, he never recovered, leaving this mortal coil with nothing but a big hospital and doctor bill. Moreover, had he survived long enough to see himself, and to see exactly how much size he lost aver undergoing surgery, I am sure that this would have made him turn over and die for he could never stand to lose even one-eighth of an inch anywhere. In his case he lost everything, everywhere and all his previous efforts for years went for naught! Whatta utter waste of time and effort!
Don't let it happen to you. Leave all drugs alone and train sensibly. It may take a little longer but you won't be running any great risks.
PHOTO CAPTIONS
- Some exercise pictures selected from the Tom Sansone file, all of which were taken during the time he wrote and posed for his Mr. America series in S&H magazine.
- An impressive pose of the late Tom Sansone.
- Tom as he worked in one of the health studios instructing one of the students.
Muscular Development, Vol 12, No 3, Page 7, May 1975
Mail From Muscledom
To the Staff of MD:
I have just read your article on "The Demise of Tom Sansone" and I must take exception to the entire premise of your story. If you wanted to pay tribute to Tom's memory, you should have gotten in touch with someone who knows the true story at first hand and not someone with hearsay information.
Tom was first stricken with a pain in the left kidney area in June 1974 and not months before. He immediately went through a series of tests which showed a tumor had grown around the kidney - an infection it wasn't. Subsequent tests showed it had already spread to the Vena Cava and into the chamber of the heart as well as both lungs. A lung biopsy showed that the cancerous tissue was a type of childhood tumor called Wilm's Tumor, somewhat common in children and less common in adults. The mother cell are based in the kidney and had spread from there.
The doctors knew from the onset what it was so whoever told you they "couldn't even guess" was all wrong. There was no exploratory operation. The doctors, some of the best in the United States, decided to remove the kidney, clean out the Vena Cava (a major vein from the kidney area) and perform open heart surgery. They couldn't do any radical lung surgery at all. They treated the lung tumor with chemicals.
For you to try to convince people not to use questionable medicine and drugs is commendable but to have readers infer that Tom died because you think or heard he used steroids borders on libel. To print rumors or innuendo that Tom was "addicted" to steroids in unforgivable and the lowest form of journalism not to mention defamation of character.
I can tell you right now that the only "addiction" he had was to desiccated liver tablets, vitamins and wholesome foods. He also consumed huge quantities of milk.
Following your questionable "logic", these wholesome foods may have acted as the "catalyst for stimulating and encouraging growth". Taken one step further we can also assume that the hundreds of children who die yearly from Wilm's Tumor also used steroids and that we may expect thousands of men and women to die from the same tumor because there doctors prescribed steroids for their various ills. Your premise is totally absurd and downright idiotic.
It is really unfortunate that you could be so rock-headed to print unfounded rumors and uneducated guesses to defame a man who is loved and respected by all who knew him.
What makes you think you know the cause of cancer when the brightest minds in medical science do not know?
I was with Tom throughout most of his life and with him daily during his ordeal and we tried to figure out what the trigger was for this disease. We couldn't come up with any evidence either.
I hope you have the courage and good sense to print this letter in its entirety even though you may be pictured as a misinformed and unprofessional in your journalistic approach to researching an article.
Looking forward to reading your magazine, I remain, Tom's brother.
Joseph Sansone
E. Northport, N.Y.
The facts concerning the death of Tom Sansone, Mr. America 1958, as given by his brother Joseph, certainly must be correct. We sincerely regret that our information came from three reporters, none of whom were sufficiently experienced in properly verifying there information.
Joseph's letter should clear up and doubts and give readers the actual facts which differ from MD's unintentional and seemingly unfair account. - Editor
Thirty years later, there is no evidence that anabolic steroids cause or contribute to cancer.
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I know three people who died of Covid. One was a buddy of mine in his late 40s, he was otherwise perfectly healthy; one of my faculty died about 6 months ago; and the Dean of Admissions at my university died in December. The latter two were in their 60s. By the time you’re in your 60s other health issues are probably at play, but to the people who knew them they were apparently healthy and fully functional until Covid cut them down.
Not sure how old Brad was, or what he looked like in recent years, but very sorry to hear of his passing. I believe he was married for many years and apparently his wife knew of his side hustle (pun intended) and was ok with it. R.I.P. Big guy. :'(
Just to be clear - and to address your post, and the other Covid-19 posts here - I'm not saying Covid-19 isn't real. I'm just trying to point out that it is an extremely low lethality virus, and the fact that after one full year, you and others can point to only a few people that died is proof of that.
Here in Canada, we are spending one BILLION dollars a day in deficit spending to deal with COVID. Ok...why not build ONE NEW HOSPITAL - hell, ONE NEW ICU BED for our public health system, if COVID is such a great threat???
Why did Ontario only JUST NOW close the non-essential section of Wal-Mart? If a bookstore can't be open during this pandemic, why should Wal-Mart be able to sell books?
Why is the government forcing people to wear face coverings, yet not giving out proper N95 masks by 3M during this time? Those are the best facemasks available.
Beyond that, our government continually opens things up, just to close them, and people WILL lose their small businesses if this continues for another 6-12 months [what I originally predicted as the maximum most people can sustain not being able to work].
Nothing stopped your friends from locking themselves in their homes forever - and all the measures that were in place didn't prevent their deaths.
In 2019, Canada and Sweden were in a race to the bottom on Woke stuff and all that - now, in a strange turn of events, Sweden is the most sane country in the West. Kwon must be laughing at Canadians right now. ;D [if he wasn't already - which he should have been].
But I do think COVID is real. It's just that with a 99.73% survival rate in most demographics, this is not a pandemic worth the economic loss it caused.
Soon, individual states will open up, get exactly the same results as those with the strictest measures being enforced, and all those clown states [and full clown countries, like Canada] will be forced to open up.
We can't live in a fake stimulus economy forever. Canada sure is trying to though. ::)
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So sorry to hear of Brad's passing. He was a hardcore bodybuilder and I always wanted to have those peaked biceps he bad.
As for the COVID-19, I have known two women that contracted the virus. One was in her late 30s and the other in her early 50s. One of them believes she caught it from her children and the other believes she caught it on a gas pump handle. The older woman saw on TV last year where Trump had a roundtable with COVID survivors and a retired NFL player said he was exposed to the virus through the gas pump handle.
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so we don't know why he died yet??
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so we don't know why he died yet??
For us. He died for us.
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And his hairline.
And his libido.
Hollibaugh was a good athlete back in the day. I believe he won the state wrestling title in Idaho before going all in on bodybuilding. He had a cool website back years ago but I couldn't understand why men would hire him to come to their house and "train" them. I was very naive. :-[
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Schmidt died of cancer. What did that have to do with steroids?
Specifically, he died of lung cancer. And - maybe an Oceana Getbigger can fill me in - but I think he was an enforcer for a cocaine mogul.
I believe I heard that Sonny also smoked crack.
Again, anyone can feel free to correct me here.
Sonny was in jail when he had cancer, but Shawn Ray said he was released from prison to spend his final days with his family, in the Ironage Getbig thread on Sonny's death - since gone from the boards, but possibly attainable on www.archive.org.
Do I think steroids degraded his system, and took some time off his life? Yeah, probably. Would he have lived to 80 had he never competed, but had still smoked crack, if that story is true? I would think not.
But ultimately all I meant was this:
Sonny Schmidt was the first "chemical era" bodybuilder to die. And many, many more followed.
Sonny, as you pointed out, may not be the greatest example of steroidal excess being the major cause of death.
So you are correct to say Sonny's death is a loose correlation. But, as far as I know, Sonny was indeed the first "Dorian era" [chemical era] bodybuilder to have died.
Am I missing anyone?
2004 seems to be when bodybuilders started dying at a rate making it very hard for me to state that steroids and other PEDs in high numbers did NOT play a role.
Incidentally, that is the same year that John Romano asked "Where are the bodies?" on that HBO documentary.
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Matt, there are some statements elsewhere (no details) that Hollibaugh had a prior kidney transplant or liver transplant. Do you have any insights on that?
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steroids might be an accelerator for cancer cells just like they speed up muscle cells , just a theory ,I could be wrong.
Growth Hormone too
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What's the story on the woman? Did the 27 year old have health issues?
Not that anyone knew about - she wasn't overweight or taking insulin shots, so nothing visible - but there may have been things that she kept to herself. Or I suppose at that age she could easily have had undiagnosed things like BP or heart issues
If there are sides to pick in this thing, I'm on the side of 'this doesn't affect people without underlying health issues' - so (based on absolutely nothing of course) I would choose to assume one of the above must have applied
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And this was the "lifesaver" for JP Fux then I guess...? ::)
Why the eye roll? Yes, that probably did save JP, given he only competed once again in 2004 at the Night of Champions, if I recall correctly.
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I can tell you right now that the only "addiction" he had was to desiccated liver tablets, vitamins and wholesome foods. He also consumed huge quantities of milk.
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Matt, there are some statements elsewhere (no details) that Hollibaugh had a prior kidney transplant or liver transplant. Do you have any insights on that?
He talked to DA years ago about his kidney trouble -
https://www.blogtalkradio.com/dashow/2013/01/18/dashow-118-guest-brad-hollibaugh .
DASHOW 118 BACK FROM THE DEAD TALKING ABOUT ALL DIFFERENT TOPICS HEALTH RELATED,SUPPLEMENTS,THE INDUSTRY,RUMORS GOSSIP AND ANYTHING ELSE THATS ON MY MIND ONE THING YOULL ALWAYS GET IS THE TRUTH...
GUEST BRAD HOLLIBAUGH WILL BE OPENING UP TELLING ALL THE STUFF HE IS GOING THROUGH. ANOTHER CRAZY STORY FROM A 300 POUND PLUS BODYBUILDER. GREAT GUY AND A CLASS ACT.TALKING ABOUT HIS BATTLE WITH DIALYSIS AND STILL STAYING 300 PLUS POUNDS WORKING HARD AND DETERMINED TO GET A KIDNEY. AND AMAZING STORY A MUST LISTEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPONSORING THE SHOW WILL BE LIVELONGSUPPLEMENTS THERE SITE CHECK IT OUT CONTACT THEM SAY YOUR A DASHOW LISTENER GET A 30% DISCOUNT..........
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He talked to DA years ago about his kidney trouble -
https://www.blogtalkradio.com/dashow/2013/01/18/dashow-118-guest-brad-hollibaugh .
DASHOW 118 BACK FROM THE DEAD TALKING ABOUT ALL DIFFERENT TOPICS HEALTH RELATED,SUPPLEMENTS,THE INDUSTRY,RUMORS GOSSIP AND ANYTHING ELSE THATS ON MY MIND ONE THING YOULL ALWAYS GET IS THE TRUTH...
GUEST BRAD HOLLIBAUGH WILL BE OPENING UP TELLING ALL THE STUFF HE IS GOING THROUGH. ANOTHER CRAZY STORY FROM A 300 POUND PLUS BODYBUILDER. GREAT GUY AND A CLASS ACT.TALKING ABOUT HIS BATTLE WITH DIALYSIS AND STILL STAYING 300 PLUS POUNDS WORKING HARD AND DETERMINED TO GET A KIDNEY. AND AMAZING STORY A MUST LISTEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPONSORING THE SHOW WILL BE LIVELONGSUPPLEMENTS THERE SITE CHECK IT OUT CONTACT THEM SAY YOUR A DASHOW LISTENER GET A 30% DISCOUNT..........
You know, years ago I wondered if I had the body dysmorphia thing - always critical of myself, always trying to improve
But statements like the above mean I now realise that I did not - the mental illness level required to maintain damaging habits to the extent that you put yourself in the ground is very real and of a different level...
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Matt, there are some statements elsewhere (no details) that Hollibaugh had a prior kidney transplant or liver transplant. Do you have any insights on that?
He had end stage renal disease and received dialysis.
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I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
I know 4 people
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He had end stage renal disease and received dialysis.
aka Bostinloydism
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Seriously who gives a fuck. An Orange hair blush wearing fuckhead catering to fags long before Onlyfans won’t be missed.
And such a thought leader!! His contributions to Schmoeism will be sorely missed. The work he did benefiting others will soon be forgotten.
Another one dead at the hands of those dangerous doctors! ???
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At this rate steroids will kill more people than covid :'(
Palumbo will claim that steroids don’t cause deaths in bodybuilders. He also claimed Dallas’ death was mostly a result of bad genetics, not 10g of gear. He’s a fake fkn reporter
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You know, years ago I wondered if I had the body dysmorphia thing - always critical of myself, always trying to improve
But statements like the above mean I now realise that I did not - the mental illness level required to maintain damaging habits to the extent that you put yourself in the ground is very real and of a different level...
No kidding. The guy committed suicide slowly. No different than an anorexic girl.
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Muscular Development, Vol 12, No 1, Page 24, January 1975
The Demise Of Tom Sansone
THE TRAGIC NEWS shocked us!
Tom Sansone, Mr. America of 1958 died . . . and still only in his thirties. It just couldn't be we thought; Tom, we heard, was always in fairly good shape, rugged and strong.
It was late July when we first heard that Tom was in hard training and making the kind of gains that every weight trainee strives to achieve. But something wasn't right. Tom used to complain about internal pain and it bothered him considerably for months, all the while growing more intense. He then got a medical checkup which proved that one kidney was badly infected and there were other complications. But the doctors couldn't even guess the seriousness of his condition because even at this stage Tom was indeed a massive, muscular specimen and terminal cancer was the farthest thing from their minds. An exploratory operation was suggested to determine the seriousness of the condition and to mend the kidney if possible.
What they found was not very encouraging. One kidney was removed, part of his lungs had to be cut away and there some complications about Tom's heart.
Yet for a time, Tom seemed to rally. He came out of the operation in fine shape and those who visited him after his surgery said he looked great and looked like he would make it. He had none of the "dragged out, drawn feeling" that most people who undergo surgery show, especially those who undergo major surgery. Everyone who saw Tom felt that after another few days rest, he would be on the road to complete recovery. Even the doctors were optimistic although they did inform Tom that he had cancer, then adding that they felt sure they removed all the infected areas and that his chances for complete recovery were excellent.
A short time later we received a call from a concerned friend who said that Tom's case was terminal and that it was only a matter of weeks. This was hard news to accept and we felt sure that it was only a rumor, an error, so we promptly forgot it. Instead we expected to hear news of how Tom was back in training again and making good progress in his training. So it was with some shock that the tragic news of Tom's death on October 16th hit us. We were really disturbed and the news was most difficult to accept but facts are facts and there was no way we could alter them.
The sad details of Tom's death could not be pieced together immediately, and even now the facts are not clear except that Tom was just another cancer victim in spite of his massiveness and muscularity.
As many readers may recall, Tom began training as a teenager and during the early 50s he made an impact in physique contests around New York City. By mid-summer of 1956 he developed sufficiently enough to win the Mr. New York City title, which was always of great importance. Two years later he entered and won the Mr. America contest, which proved to be another great achievement for him. Then London was the scene for two more great victories. In 1963 he won the amateur Mr. Universe crown there and sometime later he went back to garner the professional title.
That, to our knowledge, was the last time that Tom participated in a physique contest, although we had heard that he always stayed in great shape, since working in a health studio afforded him a better opportunity than any other vocation. However, we had heard rumors that Tom smoked a lot and was addicted to using tissue building drugs - steroids. When he was hospitalized we heard more of such rumors. If Tom was a steroid user, and there was evidence to prove that he did take anabolics, there can be no doubt that this contributed to his untimely death at 38 years of age. The sad facts remain that while steroids can and do stimulate tissue growth, these steroids are unable to differentiate between benign and malignant cells and the reaction is the same on both...stimulating and encouraging growth! [THIS IS FALSE]
It's very possible that Tom's internal system harbored cancer cells that laid dormant and just waiting for a catalyst of some sort to send them off on a tangent, and such a catalyst is the anabolic drug - steroids.
It's really sad and kind of frightening to think what some bodybuilders will do just to gain a couple extra pounds or put on an extra quarter-inch of muscle here and there. Dedication is fine, but to try and build your body at the risk of losing your life is downright idiotic!
It's really unfortunate that anyone should be so rock-headed as to assume that he can beat the odds, although he may . . . for a time. Eventually, however, it will get to him and then what would be the purpose of all that training, sweating and sacrificing when, in the end, he winds up dead and all he leaves behind are some unpaid bills!
Tom's is not an isolated case. It's happened before and continues to happen but little is heard about them. One of our men (some years ago) started taking these drugs without supervision and for no apparent reason except, "I feel better when taking them" he said. This "better" feeling didn't last too long, however, because the cancer cells which were lying dormant in his lower duodenum started to grow, stimulated by the anabolics he took and hastened his demise!
Actually in his case his muscles or strength never responded very much to the drug, and when he finally underwent surgery, he never recovered, leaving this mortal coil with nothing but a big hospital and doctor bill. Moreover, had he survived long enough to see himself, and to see exactly how much size he lost aver undergoing surgery, I am sure that this would have made him turn over and die for he could never stand to lose even one-eighth of an inch anywhere. In his case he lost everything, everywhere and all his previous efforts for years went for naught! Whatta utter waste of time and effort!
Don't let it happen to you. Leave all drugs alone and train sensibly. It may take a little longer but you won't be running any great risks.
PHOTO CAPTIONS
- Some exercise pictures selected from the Tom Sansone file, all of which were taken during the time he wrote and posed for his Mr. America series in S&H magazine.
- An impressive pose of the late Tom Sansone.
- Tom as he worked in one of the health studios instructing one of the students.
Muscular Development, Vol 12, No 3, Page 7, May 1975
Mail From Muscledom
To the Staff of MD:
I have just read your article on "The Demise of Tom Sansone" and I must take exception to the entire premise of your story. If you wanted to pay tribute to Tom's memory, you should have gotten in touch with someone who knows the true story at first hand and not someone with hearsay information.
Tom was first stricken with a pain in the left kidney area in June 1974 and not months before. He immediately went through a series of tests which showed a tumor had grown around the kidney - an infection it wasn't. Subsequent tests showed it had already spread to the Vena Cava and into the chamber of the heart as well as both lungs. A lung biopsy showed that the cancerous tissue was a type of childhood tumor called Wilm's Tumor, somewhat common in children and less common in adults. The mother cell are based in the kidney and had spread from there.
The doctors knew from the onset what it was so whoever told you they "couldn't even guess" was all wrong. There was no exploratory operation. The doctors, some of the best in the United States, decided to remove the kidney, clean out the Vena Cava (a major vein from the kidney area) and perform open heart surgery. They couldn't do any radical lung surgery at all. They treated the lung tumor with chemicals.
For you to try to convince people not to use questionable medicine and drugs is commendable but to have readers infer that Tom died because you think or heard he used steroids borders on libel. To print rumors or innuendo that Tom was "addicted" to steroids in unforgivable and the lowest form of journalism not to mention defamation of character.
I can tell you right now that the only "addiction" he had was to desiccated liver tablets, vitamins and wholesome foods. He also consumed huge quantities of milk.
Following your questionable "logic", these wholesome foods may have acted as the "catalyst for stimulating and encouraging growth". Taken one step further we can also assume that the hundreds of children who die yearly from Wilm's Tumor also used steroids and that we may expect thousands of men and women to die from the same tumor because there doctors prescribed steroids for their various ills. Your premise is totally absurd and downright idiotic.
It is really unfortunate that you could be so rock-headed to print unfounded rumors and uneducated guesses to defame a man who is loved and respected by all who knew him.
What makes you think you know the cause of cancer when the brightest minds in medical science do not know?
I was with Tom throughout most of his life and with him daily during his ordeal and we tried to figure out what the trigger was for this disease. We couldn't come up with any evidence either.
I hope you have the courage and good sense to print this letter in its entirety even though you may be pictured as a misinformed and unprofessional in your journalistic approach to researching an article.
Looking forward to reading your magazine, I remain, Tom's brother.
Joseph Sansone
E. Northport, N.Y.
The facts concerning the death of Tom Sansone, Mr. America 1958, as given by his brother Joseph, certainly must be correct. We sincerely regret that our information came from three reporters, none of whom were sufficiently experienced in properly verifying there information.
Joseph's letter should clear up and doubts and give readers the actual facts which differ from MD's unintentional and seemingly unfair account. - Editor
Thirty years later, there is no evidence that anabolic steroids cause or contribute to cancer.
Fucking nonsensical witch hunt type of article.
The guy got sick......look at him is he humongous with 58 inch thighs and an 88 inch at 3% BF gut ?
Ridiculous author if he was anywhere around my vicinity and still alive I`d rip his balls off and feed them to him just on general principle.
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my niece's boyfriend's grandfather got covid and passed, he was only 65 and had no prior issues of any kind..
my sister got covid 60 years old and recovered thankfully, still recovering in fact, as she had multiple symptoms..
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my niece's boyfriend's grandfather got covid and passed, he was only 65 and had no prior issues of any kind..
my sister got covid 60 years old and recovered thankfully, still recovering in fact, as she had multiple symptoms..
How did they establish they had covid? It's impossible to diagnose someone with covid since there's not a single reliable diagnostic tool for that on this planet
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KREATOR: A one minute google search on how covid is tested would give you your answer...
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Growth Hormone too
agreed ;D
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my niece's boyfriend's grandfather a bloke in the pub got covid and passed, he was only 65 and had no prior issues of any kind..
my sister got covid 60 years old and recovered thankfully, still recovering in fact, as she had multiple symptoms..
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I believe Brad already had a kidney transplant years ago. He was on imunosupressant meds.
He was on dialysis when he died because he ruined that kidney too filling his arms with garbage
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What role does synthol play?
Seems bodybuilders that were frequent users all had kidney issues. DA, Flex, etc.
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What role does synthol play?
Seems bodybuilders that were frequent users all had kidney issues. DA, Flex, etc.
Straight out oil would seem by definition to clog up any filtering mechanism. I would think the liver would look askance at oil too.
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He used to look good when younger - should have invested in a toupee instead of that stupid oil.
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He used to look good when younger - should have invested in a toupee instead of that stupid oil.
Look how good he looked way back in 1987
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Look how good he looked way back in 1987
He looked very decent once upon a time.
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I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
I do a good friend and business associate of mine. He died within 2 weeks of being diagnosed.
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Didn't Robbie Robinson have that freaky peak in his bicep back in the day? He is one of the few guys that seemed to achieve this. Somehow Brad's peak seemed more suspect; freaky but somehow illegitimate.
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Didn't Robbie Robinson have that freaky peak in his bicep back in the day? He is one of the few guys that seemed to achieve this. Somehow Brad's peak seemed more suspect; freaky but somehow illegitimate.
How could there be any doubt? So you think his DNA (not Chevron) may have given him that bulbous bicep on top of his bicep?
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Didn't Robbie Robinson have that freaky peak in his bicep back in the day? He is one of the few guys that seemed to achieve this. Somehow Brad's peak seemed more suspect; freaky but somehow illegitimate.
Brad's were filled with oil and who knows what else.
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Look how good he looked way back in 1987
The joys of youth.
He later turned into an oversized, over grilled turkey...
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bay likey?
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bay likey?
Brad made it into the likey zone! :D
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Brad made it into the likey zone! :D
Wasn't he too big for you Bay?
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Wasn't he too big for you Bay?
Have I ever suggested a BB was too big? ::)
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He looked very decent once upon a time.
Already his biceps show signs of amateurish site enhancement.
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Nobody. Not one person. And I know everyfuckingbody.
20+ people I know have tested positive. One of them was hospitalized. One. He walked out two days later.
It's all bullshit.
Death by influenza, heart disease, systemic organ failure, emphysema, and cardiovascular disease have miraculously dropped by 97 percent. It's a miracle!
Thanks, Tommy.
You're exactly the type of person to be answering this question, given the large network of contacts you have.
If this pandemic was so lethal, people would know more people who died than in an average year - yet no one does.
Meanwhile, in Canada:
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my niece's boyfriend's grandfather
Thank you for proving my point.
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Have I ever suggested a BB was too big? ::)
I mean, i know you like big dudes, but isn't/wasn't Brad superheavyweight huge?
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I mean, i know you like big dudes, but isn't/wasn't Brad superheavyweight huge?
Bigger is better. Nasser, Fux, and Kovacs weren't too big... so Brad was fine! How old was he?
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Bigger is better. Nasser, Fux, and Kovacs weren't too big... so Brad was fine! How old was he?
His prime where he would circulate through the exhibition halls flexing and doing videos, etc., and which most of those photos represent and when he was at maximum oil, he was 35 to early 40s. But some of the late 20 and early 30 videos look the greatest, more toward the beginning phase of his competition.
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Bigger is better. Nasser, Fux, and Kovacs weren't too big... so Brad was fine! How old was he?
Speaking of bigger is better, this is one of the all time great videos of Fux and Nasser training if you can get beyond the 1990s Spandex and Daisy Dukes and muscle Ts. Same era as Hollibaugh at his biggest:
Fux quads before accident:
https://www.google.com/search?q=jean+pierre+fux+muscle+monster&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgrc=Q4i7d79HTskIcM
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Brad made it into the likey zone! :D
Yes, but WHAT TIER is Brad? I.e.,
"TIER 1: WOULD SWALLOW THE SPERM OF.
EXAMPLES: RONNIE COLEMAN, JAY CUTLER, DORIAN YATES, GUNTER SCHKIERKAMP [...]
TIER 2: WOULD TAKE A FRESH, PIPING HOT LOAD OF SPERM ON THE FACE FROM.
EXAMPLES: NASSER EL SONBATY, ART ATWOOD, MIKE FRANCOIS [...]
TIER 3: WOULD SUCK HIS DICK.
LEE PRIEST, EVAN CENTOPANI, JASON ARNTZ, [...]"
Etc.
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Also, I am going to send a picture of MY COCK to OneRepMax, for review.
Review it?
It's just because, even if I've only heard it said three times in my life, any time anyone suggests j have a small dick from a picture of me in shorts [in the same picture a Colombian friend of mine asked me if I had a parsh in it], it throws me in a rage.
So I've decided to send a review copy to OneRepMax. Then I couldn't find the picture, but yesterday, ended up finding it. It will be good to have this picture for when I grow to be impotent in the future.
Please review my dick pic when I send it to OneRepMax, and defend me from assholes on here in case anyone suggests I have a small dick.
But...this is Getbig, where a 6'4", 315-lb stage ready bodybuilder like Morgan State gets slammed. ::)
You can never please Getbig.
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Muscle escorting never seems to end well. :'(
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Yes, but WHAT TIER is Brad? I.e.,
"TIER 1: WOULD SWALLOW THE SPERM OF.
EXAMPLES: RONNIE COLEMAN, JAY CUTLER, DORIAN YATES, GUNTER SCHKIERKAMP [...]
TIER 2: WOULD TAKE A FRESH, PIPING HOT LOAD OF SPERM ON THE FACE FROM.
EXAMPLES: NASSER EL SONBATY, ART ATWOOD, MIKE FRANCOIS [...]
TIER 3: WOULD SUCK HIS DICK.
LEE PRIEST, EVAN CENTOPANI, JASON ARNTZ, [...]"
Etc.
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Also, I am going to send a picture of MY COCK to OneRepMax, for review.
Review it?
It's just because, even if I've only heard it said three times in my life, any time anyone suggests j have a small dick from a picture of me in shorts [in the same picture a Colombian friend of mine asked me if I had a parsh in it], it throws me in a rage.
So I've decided to send a review copy to OneRepMax. Then I couldn't find the picture, but yesterday, ended up finding it. It will be good to have this picture for when I grow to be impotent in the future.
Please review my dick pic when I send it to OneRepMax, and defend me from assholes on here in case anyone suggests I have a small dick.
But...this is Getbig, where a 6'4", 315-lb stage ready bodybuilder like Morgan State gets slammed. ::)
You can never please Getbig.
Matt
That post is gayer than a nude strongman contest
(https://i.postimg.cc/2jvV8v85/1228128198-resized.png)
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Someone told me that Matt was hung like a parakeet !! ;D
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Muscle escorting never seems to end well. :'(
Those women's hands look a bit odd. ;D
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Someone told me that Matt was hung like a parakeet !! ;D
Careful, that comment may create a meltdown where he talks about male organs and sperm from various angles, etc.
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Careful, that comment may create a meltdown where he talks about male organs and sperm from various angles, etc.
Very true......what was I thinking ? LOL ;D
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Clearly Brad was prone to faggotism and was mentally ill.
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Bigger is better. Nasser, Fux, and Kovacs weren't too big... so Brad was fine! How old was he?
Kovacs not too big? Wasn't he bigger than Fux and Nasser??
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Muscle escorting never seems to end well. :'(
Can't blame him.
Even our own Mr Zimbabwe Grant Michaels worked for Jimmy Z at one point in time.
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Growth Hormone too
More likely the growth hormone and them 'dangerous doctors' again.
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More likely the growth hormone and them 'dangerous doctors' again.
Does growth hormone f...k with kidneys? I think of it more in terms of cardiovascular and cancer cell acceleration. Wrong?
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Matt, have you ever heard the term "anecdotal evidence"?....
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Matt, have you ever heard the term "anecdotal evidence"?....
he invented it
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Muscle escorting never seems to end well. :'(
I would pick up cans on the side of the road for money before doing that.
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I'm curious if anyone here even knows anyone who has died of COVID, given the average age of death is 85.
I do and the person was younger than 85 years old.
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He was super sized!
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Already his biceps show signs of amateurish site enhancement.
::)
He really squeezed during Arnold curls and cleverly used his bicep as an "enhancer" in his clients' ani.
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He was super sized!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672027.0;attach=1301896;image)
Nice healthy shade of purple there. With that, and the petechiae clearly visible, I'm guessing a daily average of - what? 170/120?
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From big to bloofy! :D
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Around 2002, biceps were at maximum site enhancement.
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Around 2002, biceps were at maximum site enhancement.
At :26 seconds and 1:22 his bicep has a peak and his arm is extended and not flexing. :(
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Matt, have you ever heard the term "anecdotal evidence"?....
Yes. Specifically, it doesn't mean anything in terms of proving anything in a science.
The plural of anecdotal evidence is "empirical evidence. That is what science relies on.
"I know someone who knows someone who died WITH Covid-19 is NOT proof of a global pandemic.
Basically, the proof so far is "I know one person who died last year!"
How is that proof of a global pandemic?
If an actual lethal global pandemic was going on we would know far more people who have been impacted by COVID over the last 13+ months.
Don't trust the news.
Don't trust ME.
Trust your instincts.
Do you know ANYONE who has died of Covid-19, or been seriously ill from it.
You do not.
So why do you think COVID is lethal plague worth destroying our freedoms and sustaining this much economic loss over?
Discuss.
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Yes. Specifically, it doesn't mean anything in terms of proving anything in a science.
The plural of anecdotal evidence is "empirical evidence. That is what science relies on.
"I know someone who knows someone who died WITH Covid-19 is NOT proof of a global pandemic.
Basically, the proof so far is "I know one person who died last year!"
How is that proof of a global pandemic?
If an actual lethal global pandemic was going on we would know far more people who have been impacted by COVID over the last 13+ months.
Don't trust the news.
Don't trust ME.
Trust your instincts.
Do you know ANYONE who has died of Covid-19, or been seriously ill from it.
You do not.
So why do you think COVID is lethal plague worth destroying our freedoms and sustaining this much economic loss over?
Discuss.
The weird irony is that, no matter how you feel about the handling of COVID and in full recognition of the hardship all this has caused for huge numbers of people, we are now embarking on a huge economic boom.
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The weird irony is that, no matter how you feel about the handling of COVID and in full recognition of the hardship all this has caused for huge numbers of people, we are now embarking on a huge economic boom.
We are?
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We are?
Some foreign GDP growth rates are unreal (China). Stock and real estate markets are potentially predictive (both in a mini-boom). Don’t you think there will be a big bump when people start traveling and eating out again? Unemployment is still high and lots of people are still struggling and suffering, but it seems the unemployment rate may be over-stated. I know several people who are both working and collecting unemployment simultaneously (shame on them) but that means socking away savings for future spending. I could be wrong but I predict an upcoming boom that has actually already started.
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RIP, easily the best biceps in bodybuilding :(
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Some foreign GDP growth rates are unreal (China). Stock and real estate markets are potentially predictive (both in a mini-boom). Don’t you think there will be a big bump when people start traveling and eating out again? Unemployment is still high and lots of people are still struggling and suffering, but it seems the unemployment rate may be over-stated. I know several people who are both working and collecting unemployment simultaneously (shame on them) but that means socking away savings for future spending. I could be wrong but I predict an upcoming boom that has actually already started.
If people are working while collecting unemployment, they must be getting paid under-the-table and they are working for an employer who is not paying the employer portion of social security, medicare and FICA taxes.
The penalty for a person who defrauds the government can be pretty stiff depending on state laws.
-prosecution by government authorities;
-1 to 6 years of jail time;
-repayment of UI benefits collected, plus penalties and interest;
-up to $3,000 in fines;
-forfeiture of future income tax refunds; and
-loss of eligibility to collect UI benefits in the future.
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If people are working while collecting unemployment, they must be getting paid under-the-table and they are working for an employer who is not paying the employer portion of social security, medicare and FICA taxes.
The penalty for a person who defrauds the government can be pretty stiff depending on state laws.
-prosecution by government authorities;
-1 to 6 years of jail time;
-repayment of UI benefits collected, plus penalties and interest;
-up to $3,000 in fines;
-forfeiture of future income tax refunds; and
-loss of eligibility to collect UI benefits in the future.
Prime people have been defrauding the government during this pandemic. There are many people who are laid off collecting unemployment doing side jobs.
I don’t know if there’s an economic boom coming because people have been saving money, I think they were spending it at Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Lowe’s and Amazon.
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Some foreign GDP growth rates are unreal (China). Stock and real estate markets are potentially predictive (both in a mini-boom). Don’t you think there will be a big bump when people start traveling and eating out again? Unemployment is still high and lots of people are still struggling and suffering, but it seems the unemployment rate may be over-stated. I know several people who are both working and collecting unemployment simultaneously (shame on them) but that means socking away savings for future spending. I could be wrong but I predict an upcoming boom that has actually already started.
Well, it's either one or the other...pent up demand for a boom or people are already spending and doing things because covid is an obvious govt joke.
My take is pent up demand is a fallacy. Many people who are super consumers right now are not paying their bills in the meantime. They are not saving this money for some future time, they are spending it now and not heeding their normal obligations. This will all figure itself out. The restaurants and stores are full, if you haven't re-opened yet you are out of business.
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If people are working while collecting unemployment, they must be getting paid under-the-table and they are working for an employer who is not paying the employer portion of social security, medicare and FICA taxes.
The penalty for a person who defrauds the government can be pretty stiff depending on state laws.
-prosecution by government authorities;
-1 to 6 years of jail time;
-repayment of UI benefits collected, plus penalties and interest;
-up to $3,000 in fines;
-forfeiture of future income tax refunds; and
-loss of eligibility to collect UI benefits in the future.
Govt boot licker. Statist tattletale.
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Prime people have been defrauding the government during this pandemic. There are many people who are laid off collecting unemployment doing side jobs.
I don’t know if there’s an economic boom coming because people have been saving money, I think they were spending it at Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Lowe’s and Amazon.
Even that spending at those stores is what is building the momentum. Legal or illegal, there is a transfer of money from government to individuals (via government debt) which qualifies exactly as fiscal stimulus. Whether this is a good idea for the long term, however, is a matter for debate.
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Well, it's either one or the other...pent up demand for a boom or people are already spending and doing things because covid is an obvious govt joke.
My take is pent up demand is a fallacy. Many people who are super consumers right now are not paying their bills in the meantime. They are not saving this money for some future time, they are spending it now and not heeding their normal obligations. This will all figure itself out. The restaurants and stores are full, if you haven't re-opened yet you are out of business.
You have a point about the non-payment piece. Many landlords are not getting their rents and that will cause a reverse drag because many or most of those tenants will NEVER pay. But I think the pent-up demand factor will outweigh that. For example, grandparents will be eventually be streaming to Disney World with their grandkids who have been deprived of that.
And some parts of the population have been going to restaurants anyway (the “government joke” segments) but the majority have been hunkering down and are restless.
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Even that spending at those stores is what is building the momentum. Legal or illegal, there is a transfer of money from government to individuals (via government debt) which qualifies exactly as fiscal stimulus. Whether this is a good idea for the long term, however, is a matter for debate.
Ok but my contention is that people were ALWAYS spending during the lockdown and that was keeping the economy afloat. I was able to work during the lockdown and did not have an influx of new money, people that were making more being unemployed likely spent what they had at the first chance.
Where is the boom coming from once the unemployment boost runs out?
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Ok but my contention is that people were ALWAYS spending during the lockdown and that was keeping the economy afloat. I was able to work during the lockdown and did not have an influx of new money, people that were making more being unemployed likely spent what they had at the first chance.
Where is the boom coming from once the unemployment boost runs out?
Good points. It would be interesting to get economists’ views. I disagree for the most part that people were spending all along. LOTS of people have been hurting. Look at the lower wage segments. The stock market is often (but not always) a solid predictor. It is definitely pointing upward. That factor as well as real estate proceeds could be a big part of propelling us forward.
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And some parts of the population have been going to restaurants anyway (the “government joke” segments) but the majority have been hunkering down and are restless.
You must live in the city or a blue state. This is not going on in flyover country. Stores and restaurants packed, Lowes and Home Depot has 200 cars in the parking lot on the weekend.
Nobody is sitting on their money waiting for the all clear, people might be paying lip service on Facebook but bet they are getting their Amazon boxes every day.
What I do see and hear is that nobody can get anyone to work in the $15 range because it pays more to watch netflix with the mailbox money coming in. When they shut that off I'm supposed to believe things are going to improve because somebody has $600 left and no job? Nah.
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You must live in the city or a blue state. This is not going on in flyover country. Stores and restaurants packed, Lowes and Home Depot has 200 cars in the parking lot on the weekend.
Nobody is sitting on their money waiting for the all clear, people might be paying lip service on Facebook but bet they are getting their Amazon boxes every day.
What I do see and hear is that nobody can get anyone to work in the $15 range because it pays more to watch netflix with the mailbox money coming in. When they shut that off I'm supposed to believe things are going to improve because somebody has $600 left and no job? Nah.
Yes, in a big city here. In my metropolitan area, there are some segments that are VERY Covid sensitive and some suburbs where the mayors have actually written letters to their small businesses saying they will not be enforcing regulations, with the restaurants chock full of COVID doubters. I don’t have any crystal balls and you could be correct that a slowdown is on its way after the mailbox money ends. I just don’t see it though. I think hiring will pick up super fast, and people will be desperate to travel. I am optimistic on the economy.
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Yes, in a big city here. In my metropolitan area, there are some segments that are VERY Covid sensitive and some suburbs where the mayors have actually written letters to their small businesses saying they will not be enforcing regulations, with the restaurants chock full of COVID doubters. I don’t have any crystal balls and you could be correct that a slowdown is on its way after the mailbox money ends. I just don’t see it though. I think hiring will pick up super fast, and people will be desperate to travel. I am optimistic on the economy.
Hiring? For what? Show me wage growth for low skill labor when millions are pouring in who will work well below $15 per hr and never pay taxes. The world is running right now regardless of what the news says and most of those that have actual job skills/value in excess of the stimulus checks are working.
The trend is everything becoming more streamlined and centralized, big tech and retail corps at all time highs and small biz vaporized. Doesn't take long for the trend to become entrenched and reflected in people's habits and I think that is the goal here. The barrier to entry will be higher than it was for people are sitting around waiting for an all clear. I'm talking about career work and entrepreneurship here, not the waitstaff at some Italian restaurant that is closed in NYC(no offense to anyone that works).
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Also, RIP fake bicep guy.
Bay likey, tier 2.
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Hiring? For what? Show me wage growth for low skill labor when millions are pouring in who will work well below $15 per hr and never pay taxes. The world is running right now regardless of what the news says and most of those that have actual job skills/value in excess of the stimulus checks are working.
The trend is everything becoming more streamlined and centralized, big tech and retail corps at all time highs and small biz vaporized. Doesn't take long for the trend to become entrenched and reflected in people's habits and I think that is the goal here. The barrier to entry will be higher than it was for people are sitting around waiting for an all clear. I'm talking about career work and entrepreneurship here, not the waitstaff at some Italian restaurant that is closed in NYC(no offense to anyone that works).
I agree with some of what you say, the improving economy will benefit low skilled workers the least. All of the government stimulus money has had the effect of propping up those individuals to some extent, but the jobs that await low wage workers when the economy picks up (if you believe it will as I do) will continue to be shit jobs. Centralization/globalization are a big part of that. One of the weird upsides has been absence of inflation (low wage growth is one aspect of low inflation) which has made all the stimulus funds less risky to the economy. But centralization has LOTS of negatives as you say.
As for small business, this may be naive but I see it so ingrained in the American way of life, that it won’t go away easily. And many new immigrants are especially good at it. For better or worse, lots of American bodybuilders are also succeeding or at least attempting to be good at with their YouTube channels and even Only Fans memberships (lol).
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he invented it
jackass :D
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Years ago I asked Brad how he squared his bodybuilding career with his "private posing" escapades--which had become well publicized by then. He explained that he had no problem posing for cheering crowds onstage in competition and saw little difference between doing that and posing for one person in private. As for what might happen in those private sessions... I didn't probe any further. ;D
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More like Brad Holdaball.
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Dude had some balls injecting that much sh1t...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672027.0;attach=1302038;image)
Er...
On the other hand... :P
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Govt boot licker. Statist tattletale.
This haha.
He's all for the stiff penalty. (in his ass hole)
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If people are working while collecting unemployment, they must be getting paid under-the-table and they are working for an employer who is not paying the employer portion of social security, medicare and FICA taxes.
The penalty for a person who defrauds the government can be pretty stiff depending on state laws.
-prosecution by government authorities;
-1 to 6 years of jail time;
-repayment of UI benefits collected, plus penalties and interest;
-up to $3,000 in fines;
-forfeiture of future income tax refunds; and
-loss of eligibility to collect UI benefits in the future.
Jesus you're the biggest fucking square on this forum. Heaven's no don't take advantage of the govt and double dip. What kind of savage would do that when all the govt does is look out for out for our well being?
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His website is still going... ::) http://bradhollibaugh.net/
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I thought he had boundaries, but maybe not so much as I was thinking.
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I thought he had boundaries, but maybe not so much as I was thinking.
I am curious as to why you thought he had the boundaries that you thought he did. Unless you see explicit photos of a bodybuilder in action do you make similar assumptions about them? I could show you pictures of bodybuilders and strongmen doing things that might surprise you... private posing... private feats of strength... private wrestling... frontage... jerking off alone or in a groups... and more. We have all seen the photos of Kai Green with the towel... but he is not the only one who does these things.
I'll repeat something said here long ago: "you build a huge muscular body to get attention from men--not women." ::)
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I am curious as to why you thought he had the boundaries that you thought he did. Unless you see explicit photos of a bodybuilder in action do you make similar assumptions about them? I could show you pictures of bodybuilders and strongmen doing things that might surprise you... private posing... private feats of strength... private wrestling... frontage... jerking off alone or in a groups... and more. We have all seen the photos of Kai Green with the towel... but he is not the only one who does these things.
I'll repeat something said here long ago: "you build a huge muscular body to get attention from men--not women." ::)
I guess my answer would be the women whom he loved and loved him, the foster kids he had, the many local bodybuilders in his home state that looked up to him. Doesn’t this add up to a lot of stress over the long haul, squaring all that up in your own brain let alone with others? This was not a man who ran off to Hollywood (for example) and gave up traditional attachments. This was a man who stayed and was a fixture in his local community with more traditional type attachments.
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I am curious as to why you thought he had the boundaries that you thought he did. Unless you see explicit photos of a bodybuilder in action do you make similar assumptions about them? I could show you pictures of bodybuilders and strongmen doing things that might surprise you... private posing... private feats of strength... private wrestling... frontage... jerking off alone or in a groups... and more. We have all seen the photos of Kai Green with the towel... but he is not the only one who does these things.
I'll repeat something said here long ago: "you build a huge muscular body to get attention from men--not women." ::)
I agree with you. To expand on that concept- why do women bodybuilders want to build a huge muscular body? I really have no clue. Is it to impress men or women or neither?
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I agree with you. To expand on that concept- why do women bodybuilders want to build a huge muscular body? I really have no clue. Is it to impress men or women or neither?
Power and control. Most of those huge girls like to feel powerful and closer to the masculine idea. Even Matt Janae Kroc missed the power of being a man. Beauty to either sex is way down the list for them.
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His website is still going... ::) http://bradhollibaugh.net/
Praise the Lord!
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I guess my answer would be the women whom he loved and loved him, the foster kids he had, the many local bodybuilders in his home state that looked up to him. Doesn’t this add up to a lot of stress over the long haul, squaring all that up in your own brain let alone with others? This was not a man who ran off to Hollywood (for example) and gave up traditional attachments. This was a man who stayed and was a fixture in his local community with more traditional type attachments.
You are exactly right to point this out. His turn on the meat market was wholly inconsistent with the domestic life he cultivated. Obviously, he is not the first bodybuilder to peddle himself to men, but most of the guys who do so try to be very discreet about it or they run off to Hollywood and let go of traditional attachments. This requires some mental gymnastics. Either you talk yourself into believing that your local world will never find out about your meat market/porn life—and there are many examples of this, such as porn actor Ty Fox (who was married to a woman, raising a young daughter, and worked as a middle school teacher in VA, but spent his summers making gay porn in West Hollywood), or you do not care if they find out. It seems Brad went down the latter path. By the time you have a public website promoting your availability for escort work you cannot cling to the fantasy that your domestic world will never learn of it. Even so, there is some kind of emotional stress to living this kind of double life. I think that is one reason why so many of the guys who go down the meat market path end up on drugs. :'(
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Nobody. Not one person. And I know everyfuckingbody.
20+ people I know have tested positive. One of them was hospitalized. One. He walked out two days later.
It's all bullshit.
Death by influenza, heart disease, systemic organ failure, emphysema, and cardiovascular disease have miraculously dropped by 97 percent. It's a miracle!
Spot on - Yet the Scared Sheep Like will carry on believing the Lies & Bullshit.
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A true legend of the sport, RIP :(
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Disgusting bald ugly faggit. If I were a homo, I'd choose some other prettier muscle dude for my schmoe sessions
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Disgusting bald ugly faggit. If I were a homo, I'd choose some other prettier muscle dude for my schmoe sessions
He’s Dead -Ya can’t choose him if you wanted to . 🤮🤮🤮
😂🤣😂🤣😂
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He’s Dead -Ya can’t choose him if you wanted to . 🤮🤮🤮
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Well he could, but there probably isn't much of him left....either worms or ashes.
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^^
Brutal
Poor fella appears to have suffered from O'Hearn Syndrome too... :'(
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so do we know yet how he passed?...
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Balsy guy.
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^^
Brutal
Poor fella appears to have suffered from O'Hearn Syndrome too... :'(
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You just won't let it go. :D
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(https://media0.giphy.com/media/VM01S5yIaKCgqg1bSF/giphy.gif)
You just won't let it go. :D
Never ;D
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Well he could, but there probably isn't much of him left....either worms or ashes.
🤔 Hmmmm yes True.
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Out of morbid curiosity (no pun intended) I actually clicked on Brad’s still active website and found out he has made no less than 30 muscle worship/porn videos. Thirty! I had no idea he was so busy… I can think of a few serious bodybuilders who made a one off adult video, muscle gallery video, etc. but Brad was making a career out of it! What an odd avocation. At least he was clever enough not to work for a studio and self produce so he could keep all the profits for himself… but still odd to see a pro BB dive so deep into the adult video market. It appears he did a few films with women too so I guess he wanted to cover all his bases. :-\
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Out of morbid curiosity (no pun intended) I actually clicked on Brad’s still active website and found out he has made no less than 30 muscle worship/porn videos. Thirty! I had no idea he was so busy… I can think of a few serious bodybuilders who made a one off adult video, muscle gallery video, etc. but Brad was making a career out of it! What an odd avocation. At least he was clever enough not to work for a studio and self produce so he could keep all the profits for himself… but still odd to see a pro BB dive so deep into into the adult video market. It appears he did a few films with women too so I guess he wanted to cover all his bases. :-\
He was a good business man and worked hard and traveled widely (but not shrewd in terms of longevity). Fundamentally his passion in life was obviously to be worshipped by other men (he did not chose to be a banker or electrician), although from what I gather his romantic and overwhelming sexual orientation was with women. Another twist is there are lots of young male twinks in his videos I believe. Not sure if that amounts to anything. All sorts of contradictions across the board. And he loved his synthol, his eyes are glued here to his own oil:
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Out of morbid curiosity (no pun intended) I actually clicked on Brad’s still active website and found out he has made no less than 30 muscle worship/porn videos. Thirty! I had no idea he was so busy… I can think of a few serious bodybuilders who made a one off adult video, muscle gallery video, etc. but Brad was making a career out of it! What an odd avocation. At least he was clever enough not to work for a studio and self produce so he could keep all the profits for himself… but still odd to see a pro BB dive so deep into the adult video market. It appears he did a few films with women too so I guess he wanted to cover all his bases. :-\
Must have been really awkward for his girlfriend. :-[
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As far as I know Brad identified as “straight” but what does that word mean if you have made 30+ videos of muscle/porn with men? I cannot imagine making such videos with women for any amount of money. A solo erotic video maybe… but by the time you are getting worshipped on film and setting up muscle appointments all across the country I think the straight label no longer applies. God only knows how his gf reconciled this avocation. ::)
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As far as I know Brad identified as “straight” but what does that word mean if you have made 30+ videos of muscle/porn with men? I cannot imagine making such videos with women for any amount of money. A solo erotic video maybe… but by the time you are getting worshipped on film and setting up muscle appointments all across the country I think the straight label no longer applies. God only knows how his gf reconciled this avocation. ::)
Some of the LGBTQ hot shots (who are sometimes full of shit and other times spot on) might say it is neither straight nor gay, but gender queer, or just plain “queer”, thus the inclusion of the Q in LGBTQ. In the old days, queer simply meant strange or not considered “normal”.
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Some of the LGBTQ hot shots (who are sometimes full of shit and other times spot on) might say it is neither straight nor gay, but gender queer, or just plain “queer”, thus the inclusion of the Q in LGBTQ. In the old days, queer simply meant strange or not considered “normal”.
Touche. And what do you make of all the twinks in his videos? Was it just to make himself look bigger? Was it perhaps some kind of manifestation of his own appetite/fetish? And who exactly is buying all these videos? ???
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Touche. And what do you make of all the twinks in his videos? Was it just to make himself look bigger? Was it perhaps some kind of manifestation of his own appetite/fetish? And who exactly is buying all these videos? ???
My opinion: definitely manifestation but possibly/probably not acted on. Powerful Daddy/son fetish. Male Muscle schmoe buyers.
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I know I am old fashioned but what kind of girlfriend is ok with her significant other doing this. ???
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I know I am old fashioned but what kind of girlfriend is ok with her significant other doing this. ???
Look at all the dudes who fall in love with female prostitutes and strippers. Some eventually marry and it works out. Most probably not.
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Look at all the dudes who fall in love with female prostitutes and strippers. Some eventually marry and it works out. Most probably not.
I am out of my element with that example. Is that really a common thing? Are there men who truly fall in love with prostitutes and strippers? I can understand using them for sexual gratification periodically or often... but fall in love? Really? I confess I do not know anyone who has done that.
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I know I am old fashioned but what kind of girlfriend is ok with her significant other doing this. ???
Would love to be a fly on the wall listening to their conversations after he got home from work. It would be like being married to a prostitute.
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Would love to be a fly on the wall listening to their conversations after he got home from work. It would be like being married to a prostitute.
It would be more believable to me if she simply didn't know. And didn't want to know. Denial is very real and believable.
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Only thing I ever wondered about Brad H. was how much synthol he used to get that biceps peak and how he did it.
What did he die from? Heart attack?
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It would be more believable to me if she simply didn't know. And didn't want to know. Denial is very real and believable.
She had to know. ;D