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Long read, but pretty interesting.  He's in a lot of trouble.  Sounds like perjury to me.  Not the brightest bulb in elected office.   

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080124/NEWS05/801240414&theme=KILPATRICK082007

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Re: Mayor Kilpatrick, chief of staff lied under oath, text messages show
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2008, 08:11:58 AM »
I'm sure he's sorry he got caught.   :-\

Kilpatrick apologizes to Detroit, but says: 'I would never quit on you'
January 30, 2008

By BILL McGRAW

Speaking at length about the text-message scandal for the first time publicly Wednesday night, as he held hands with his wife Carlita, Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick apologized repeatedly to residents, supporters, opponents, his wife and his sons for what he called "the embarrassment and disappointment" of the past few days.

"I want to start tonight by saying to the citizens of this great city: I'm sorry," Kilpatrick said in a live television address from his church.

In a nod to the legal peril he faces, Kilpatrick never actually said what he was apologizing for. The closest he came to mentioning lying in court last summer about his affair with then-chief of staff Christine Beatty was a reference to "very grown up things" he has had to discuss with his twin sons in the past week.

Kilpatrick also squarely rejected rumors that he might resign. "I would never quit on you," he declared. "Ever."

Appearing subdued and at times somber in a dramatic moment of recent city history, the mayor focused almost entirely on the impact of the controversy on his family and marriage.

"To all of you who have believed in what we have been doing in this city since 2002, to all of you who have believed in me and my leadership, to all of you who have stuck with me through very difficult times, to all of you who have prayed for me, I'm sorry."

Carlita Kilpatrick talked about the pain of the past few days.

"Like all marriages, ours is not perfect," she said. "But through our commitment to God and each other, my husband and I will get through this. Yes, I am angry, I am hurt, and I am disappointed. But there is no question I love my husband."

The mayor mostly has been out of sight for a week, ever since the Free Press reported that it had obtained nearly 14,000 text messages from Beatty's city-issued pager in 2002-2003. The messages showed that, contrary to Kilpatrick's and Beatty's under-oath testimony in a police whistle-blower trial last summer, they were involved in a sexual affair.

The messages also showed they misled jurors at the trial when they testified they never fired Deputy Police Chief Gary Brown.

Jurors awarded Brown and another ex-cop, Harold Nelthrope, a combined $6.5 million, accepting their argument that Kilpatrick retaliated against them for pursuing an investigation of the mayor's inner circle that might have exposed the love affair.

In October, Kilpatrick abruptly agreed to settle that case, and another involving a third officer, for $8.4 million, rather than appeal. After legal fees, the litigation has cost the city more than $9 million.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy announced last week that her office has opened an investigation.

Kilpatrick did not mention Beatty in the speech. She resigned Monday. And in avoiding talking about the legal and financial details of the situation, the mayor cited Worthy's probe.

"Because there are legal matters pending at this moment, unfortunately I am unable to discuss any of those issues at this time," he said.

"Most of all tonight, I want to make a public apology to my entire family, and specifically to the four people who I love the most in this world," said the mayor, returning to the only theme of the 12-minute speech.

"First, I want to apologize to my sons, Jelani, Jalil and Jonas. For the first time in my life I had to have a conversation with my 12-year-old twin sons about very grown up things. It was without a doubt the hardest conversation that I've ever had in my entire life.

"Finally, and most important, I want to make a public apology to my wife, Carlita, who I fell in love with when I was 19 years old. We decided to build a family together and we did that. Our marriage has not been perfect, but it has been great."

The mayor and his wife spoke to a lone television camera in a mostly empty banquet room in the Greater Emmanuel Institutional Church of God in Christ on the city's west side. There was no audience on hand, and reporters were barred from the speech, which was aired live on Detroit radio and television.

The Kilpatricks talked in detail about their marriage, and the way it has been opened for public view.

"This has been a situation where, yes, it's been embarrassing, yes it's been painful," the mayor said. "But through all of that, through the grace of God, we've also had a feeling of thankfulness and freedom. We have committed to moving forward together to make our marriage better and stronger."

Kilpatrick said that last weekend was the first time since he took office in 2002 that he put everything on hold and focused only on his family. He said he understood Detroit residents have been wanting to hear from him, but he had to attend to his loved ones first.

"I want to thank the people of Detroit for their patience in allowing us that time. We as a family needed to do that," he said.

Kilpatrick said he told his sons that when you make a mistake, "you learn from it, you get up, you dust yourself off, and you keep moving forward."

He added: "Detroit, I am determined that we will keep moving forward. I am determined to continue the tremendous progress we are making in this city."

For a moment, Kilpatrick switched into what seemed like campaign mode, saying Detroit was making progress even in the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression.

"Detroit, together we have managed to do great things," he said. "We have paved more streets than ever. We have built more new houses than ever. We have balanced our budget and wiped out a $300-million deficit.

"We have developed 75 buildings downtown large and small. We have built seven new hotels. We have built three new rec centers in neighborhoods that had not seen rec centers in 20 years. We are building out our riverfront. And we are not stopping now.

"Detroit, please continue to pray for our family, for our city and our continued progress," he said.

"God bless you Detroit. I love you," the mayor said in conclusion. "I'll see you at work tomorrow."

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/NEWS01/80130060

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Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 10:06:21 AM »
This would have made national news if Kilpatrick was affiliated with the Republican party.  lol

DETROIT (AP) - Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick exchanged romantic text messages with a top aide, contradicting their denials in court that they had romantic ties, a newspaper reported.

The county prosecutor's office declined to comment on the legal implications of the report, posted Wednesday on the Detroit Free Press' Web site. A conviction of lying under oath can bring up to 15 years' imprisonment.

Kilpatrick and Christine Beatty testified last summer in a police whistle-blower lawsuit and denied any sexual or romantic ties in 2002 and 2003. But the Free Press said it examined about 14,000 text messages on Beatty's city-issued pager from those years and found many examples of such ties.

Kilpatrick is married, and Beatty was married at the time.

"I'm madly in love with you," Kilpatrick wrote on Oct. 3, 2002.

"I hope you feel that way for a long time," Beatty replied. "In case you haven't noticed, I am madly in love with you, too!"

On Oct. 16, 2002, Kilpatrick wrote Beatty: "I've been dreaming all day about having you all to myself for 3 days. Relaxing, laughing, talking, sleeping and making love."

In his testimony last summer, at one point Kilpatrick expressed anger about claims of an affair between him and Beatty.

"I think it was pretty demoralizing to her—you have to know her—but it's demoralizing to me as well," the mayor said. "My mother is a congresswoman. There have always been strong women around me. My aunt is a state legislator. I think it's absurd to assert that every woman that works with a man is a whore.

"I think it's disrespectful not just to Christine Beatty but to women who do a professional job that they do every single day. And it's also disrespectful to their families as well."

Kilpatrick issued a statement Wednesday night saying the messages "reflect a very difficult period in my personal life."

"It is profoundly embarrassing to have these extremely private messages now displayed in such a public manner," he said. "My wife and I worked our way through these intensely personal issues years ago. I would now ask that the public and the media respect the privacy of my wife and children and of Christine Beatty and her children at this deeply painful moment for our families."

The Free Press did not explain exactly how it obtained the text messages but said it was outside a lawsuit it filed to get all records related to the settlement the city reached with two former police officers.

The newspaper said it cross-referenced the text messages with the mayor's private calendar and credit card records from that period to verify events in some messages.

When asked whether the Wayne County prosecutor's office would open an investigation, spokeswoman Maria Miller said: "We have not received anything from anyone. Other than that, we have no comment."

A county jury awarded $6.5 million to the two officers in the lawsuit against the city and Kilpatrick. The jury said Kilpatrick and the city unlawfully dismissed two officers, who claimed they suffered after investigating allegations of wrongdoing within Kilpatrick's security unit.

The events happened in Kilpatrick's first four-year term. He was elected to a second term in November 2005.

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 10:23:49 AM »
This would have made national news if Kilpatrick was affiliated with the Republican party.  lol

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Only if the story was true to form involving a gay relationship.

I mean when is the last time a republican sex scandal involved a man and a woman instead of only men?

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2008, 10:23:56 AM »
This would have made national news if Kilpatrick was affiliated with the Republican party.  lol

hold your tongue, wench :)

It was AOL's top story this AM.

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 10:41:14 AM »

Playful flirting does NOT indicate the presence of a romantic relationship.

Several of my female friends are 'madly in love with me' and while the feelings are mutual, there is no romance between us. 


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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 10:48:53 AM »
This would have made national news if Kilpatrick was affiliated with the Republican party.  lol

 

At a minimum his party affiliation would have been all over the story if he was a Republican. 

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2008, 11:46:12 AM »
At a minimum his party affiliation would have been all over the story if he was a Republican. 
Yes, you republicans are victims.

Victims of the corporate liberal media where the reporters run the business and the owners/editors let them.

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 12:13:10 PM »
Yes, you republicans are victims.

Victims of the corporate liberal media where the reporters run the business and the owners/editors let them.


I'm not a Republican and I'm not a victim.  Next red herring?   :)

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 01:42:51 PM »
I'm not a Republican and I'm not a victim.  Next red herring?   :)
Your lips say 'no,no,no' to being a republican, but all your posts show you supporting Bush et al.

Which democrat are you voting for in the presidential election?

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 01:47:49 PM »
Your lips say 'no,no,no' to being a republican, but all your posts show you supporting Bush et al.

Which democrat are you voting for in the presidential election?

I support Bush.  And your point is . . . .? 

I will not be voting for either Hillary or Obama.  I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was the only candidate in the race.  I gave Obama a look and decided he is Hillary with different plumbing. 

Again, your point?   

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 02:27:50 PM »
I support Bush.  And your point is . . . .? 

I will not be voting for either Hillary or Obama.  I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was the only candidate in the race.  I gave Obama a look and decided he is Hillary with different plumbing. 

Again, your point?   
So b/c you are not a registered republican,you are not a republican?  Personally, it doesn't matter to me what a man thinks of his own political leanings.  You just seem to go out of your way to show fidelity to the republican cause.

Can you see how someone might interpret your postings on this forum as those of a man with, at the very least, republican sympathies?

You support a republican president.  Every other day, you post a thread showing the misstep of any democrat--whether he be Ted Kennedy or the Justice of the Peace from Mayberry. You always chime in on how the liberal media victimizes poor republicans.  You support deregulation, anti-abortion, tax cuts, immigration control, pro-war, anti-entitlements etc--all republican planks in the Rep. platform.

What democratic initiatives do you support?

You aren't a republican?  OK, but you post stuff like this all time:

-I actually created a thread where I agreed with most of his (Ron Paul's) positions on issues.   

-Sounds like she bought an endorsement.  (re this headline you posted Pastor Got Earmark Money Before Clinton Endorsement)

- And so Martian Man's quest for the Oval Office quietly comes to an end.   (re this headline you posted Kucinich getting out)

-I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for.  I've been doing the process of elimination.  Will not be Hillary, Obama, or Edwards.  Ron Paul simply isn't a viable candidate.  That really leaves me with Rudy, McCain, Romney, and Huck.

-I'm not leaning.  I'm thinking about Huck, McCain, Romney, and Thompson.  It will most likely be one of those four.

-Yes.  I vote for Martian Man.   (re Kucinich)

-I was listening to Bush the other day and I still believe he is trying to do what's best for the country.  Being a wealthy lame duck, he really has no stake in the decisions he makes, other than doing what he thinks will benefit Americans in the long run.  I'm actually glad he's in office.   

You consistently denigrate Democrats while supporting Republicans and republican planks in the rep. platform.

Can you see why I might think you are a republican?





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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 02:41:07 PM »
So b/c you are not a registered republican,you are not a republican?  Personally, it doesn't matter to me what a man thinks of his own political leanings.  You just seem to go out of your way to show fidelity to the republican cause.

Can you see how someone might interpret your postings on this forum as those of a man with, at the very least, republican sympathies?

You support a republican president.  Every other day, you post a thread showing the misstep of any democrat--whether he be Ted Kennedy or the Justice of the Peace from Mayberry. You always chime in on how the liberal media victimizes poor republicans.  You support deregulation, anti-abortion, tax cuts, immigration control, pro-war, anti-entitlements etc--all republican planks in the Rep. platform.

What democratic initiatives do you support?

You aren't a republican?  OK, but you post stuff like this all time:

-I actually created a thread where I agreed with most of his (Ron Paul's) positions on issues.   

-Sounds like she bought an endorsement.  (re this headline you posted Pastor Got Earmark Money Before Clinton Endorsement)

- And so Martian Man's quest for the Oval Office quietly comes to an end.   (re this headline you posted Kucinich getting out)

-I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for.  I've been doing the process of elimination.  Will not be Hillary, Obama, or Edwards.  Ron Paul simply isn't a viable candidate.  That really leaves me with Rudy, McCain, Romney, and Huck.

-I'm not leaning.  I'm thinking about Huck, McCain, Romney, and Thompson.  It will most likely be one of those four.

-Yes.  I vote for Martian Man.   (re Kucinich)

-I was listening to Bush the other day and I still believe he is trying to do what's best for the country.  Being a wealthy lame duck, he really has no stake in the decisions he makes, other than doing what he thinks will benefit Americans in the long run.  I'm actually glad he's in office.   

You consistently denigrate Democrats while supporting Republicans and republican planks in the rep. platform.

Can you see why I might think you are a republican?






You don't have to make overstatements to prove a point ("Every other day, you post a thread showing the misstep of any democrat").  You know that isn't true.

So in your review of my posts did you not find any criticism of Republicans?  I'm sure there is one or two out there.  :)  When I get the time I'll look for them.  (Maybe)

I can understand why you would think I'm a Republican, because you're pretty left of center, and I'm not.  I will say that I agree with conservatives on many issues . . . because they are right (so to speak) on many issues.  That doesn't make me a Republican. 

Overall, I can't really say what current Democrat policies I agree with.  I've said this before, but I agree with Colin Powell who said they are intellectually bankrupt.  Even Obama said Republicans were the ones with the ideas.  (Doh!)  Seems like every time a leader of their party speaks they are talking about some form of socialism.   

But no, I don't belong to any party.  That's why I can vote for whomever I want.  That's why I voted for Clinton twice and Bush twice.  That’s why I considered voting for Obama.  That's what independents do.  I call things as I see them.  Doesn't matter to me whether that causes people to think I'm a Republican or Democrat.  Feel free to call me whatever you like.   :) 

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 02:51:44 PM »
Do you idiots watch the news????   HELLO IT WAS ON COUNTLESS TIMES LAST WEEK.  I got sick of seeing it...  So drop the "if it was a republican" and turn on the news instead of making crap up.

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 02:58:21 PM »
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You don't have to make overstatements to prove a point ("Every other day, you post a thread showing the misstep of any democrat").  You know that isn't true.
I must say Beach Bum, I find you posting many many stories about the problems of democrats no matter what level of government they come from.  I'm certain you see that trend too.

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So in your review of my posts did you not find any criticism of Republicans?  I'm sure there is one or two out there.  :)  When I get the time I'll look for them.  (Maybe)
I was on hold for 20 minutes (talking to one of those efficient private insurance companies) so I thought I'd peruse your posts (that sounds weird).  I looked at your threads (that's not much better).

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I can understand why you would think I'm a Republican, because you're pretty left of center, and I'm not.  I will say that I agree with conservatives on many issues . . . because they are right (so to speak) on many issues.  That doesn't make me a Republican.  
It certainly doesn't make you a democrat...or an independent.

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Overall, I can't really say what current Democrat policies I agree with.  I've said this before, but I agree with Colin Powell who said they are intellectually bankrupt.  Even Obama said Republicans were the ones with the ideas.  (Doh!)  Seems like every time a leader of their party speaks they are talking about some form of socialism.
So you refer to a republican giant to articulate your estimation of the democrats.  That might be skewing republican in offering up your opinion.

I don't care for Obama's pandering to the right.  He just undercuts his own character when he does that.  I make that statement in reference to his discussion of fixing Soc. Sec.
   

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But no, I don't belong to any party.  That's why I can vote for whomever I want.  That's why I voted for Clinton twice and Bush twice.  That’s why I considered voting for Obama.  That's what independents do.  I call things as I see them.  Doesn't matter to me whether that causes people to think I'm a Republican or Democrat.  Feel free to call me whatever you like.   :)  
I'm glad you can do those things.  My only point is that you admittedly 'call them as you see them' and your quotes seem to show that you are consistently calling for republican candidates and ideas and insulting democrats and their ideas.

Anyways, we both have bigger fish to fry so onward my friend.

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2008, 03:08:51 PM »
Do you idiots watch the news????   HELLO IT WAS ON COUNTLESS TIMES LAST WEEK.  I got sick of seeing it...  So drop the "if it was a republican" and turn on the news instead of making crap up.

Did they talk about his party affiliation? 

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2008, 03:13:41 PM »
I must say Beach Bum, I find you posting many many stories about the problems of democrats no matter what level of government they come from.  I'm certain you see that trend too.
I was on hold for 20 minutes (talking to one of those efficient private insurance companies) so I thought I'd peruse your posts (that sounds weird).  I looked at your threads (that's not much better).
It certainly doesn't make you a democrat...or an independent.
So you refer to a republican giant to articulate your estimation of the democrats.  That might be skewing republican in offering up your opinion.

I don't care for Obama's pandering to the right.  He just undercuts his own character when he does that.  I make that statement in reference to his discussion of fixing Soc. Sec.
   
I'm glad you can do those things.  My only point is that you admittedly 'call them as you see them' and your quotes seem to show that you are consistently calling for republican candidates and ideas and insulting democrats and their ideas.

Anyways, we both have bigger fish to fry so onward my friend.


Nah I don't see a trend.  I post stories I find interesting. 

If I happen to support "Republican ideas" it's because I think they're right.  If I insult "Democrat ideas" it's because I disagree with them.  Not my fault Democrats have been brain dead for so long.   :)  They had control of this state for over 40 years and nearly ruined it. 

I have said that the Republican party has been floundering of late.  They don't have a clear agenda and don't have a clear leader.   

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2008, 04:00:40 PM »
I'm not a Republican and I'm not a victim.  Next red herring?   :)

you sound like one of those guys who has sex with men but then claims they're not gay

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2008, 05:29:12 PM »
beach is definitely a duck (republican) whether he says it or not

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2008, 05:31:10 PM »
Did they talk about his party affiliation? 

His party affiliation isn't such a big deal if he's not being a hypocrite and pushing "family values".

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2008, 05:32:54 PM »
Did they talk about his party affiliation? 
Why beach, i'm shocked... I never took you and Colossus as being the type for conspiracy theory.  Yes when his backround was given they mention his party.  I think it's funny, you all get excited at a dem mayor scandal like the score is even.  dude was sleeping with a chick, not visiting airport glory holes and all the other crazy crap Republicans engage in.

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2008, 05:44:51 PM »
Not one time have I brought a republican scandal where it involved an affair with the opposite sex.  I really don't care about that crap. So that's right, every single time I've brough scandal to this board, and it has been many, it involved worse issues.

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2008, 06:08:59 PM »
Why beach, i'm shocked... I never took you and Colossus as being the type for conspiracy theory.  Yes when his backround was given they mention his party.  I think it's funny, you all get excited at a dem mayor scandal like the score is even.  dude was sleeping with a chick, not visiting airport glory holes and all the other crazy crap Republicans engage in.

Who's getting excited?  This is a pretty big story.  The mayor of one of our largest cities probably committed perjury.  I'd say he is in deep kimchee.   

There are three news stories posted in this thread.  I didn't see his party affiliation mentioned in the story, but I might have just missed it.

And no, I don't view this as some kind of scorecard, though I do believe if the guy was a Republican that would have been mentioned.   

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2008, 06:54:06 PM »
Who's getting excited?  This is a pretty big story.  The mayor of one of our largest cities probably committed perjury.  I'd say he is in deep kimchee.   

There are three news stories posted in this thread.  I didn't see his party affiliation mentioned in the story, but I might have just missed it.

And no, I don't view this as some kind of scorecard, though I do believe if the guy was a Republican that would have been mentioned.   

Had it been a string of similar scandals all dems, it would have been mentioned even more.  It was mentioned in the media anyway.  No big shock that it gets mentioned more for Republicans who engage in a series of homosexual scandals while at the same time denouncing the life style.  No shock here beachbum.  Republicans bought this treatment, they can own it.  If there's a string of hypocritical dems, I'm sure it will be news.  Mayor of Detroit  ::) wooo...  It's amazing it was on the news, and for the week.  Don't talk about perjury like it's a big deal either, republicans have made it a huge no big deal.  They have lied and lied and lied and when they knew they would have to lie, just refused to ever say anything under oath--Hi Bush/Cheney.  Over and over and over, what a fucking joke.  Gonzales was caught lying to congress how many times?  No big deal to republican scum.

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Re: Didn't Name the Party Affiliation, So He Must be a Democrat!
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2008, 07:01:15 PM »
Had it been a string of similar scandals all dems, it would have been mentioned even more.  It was mentioned in the media anyway.  No big shock that it gets mentioned more for Republicans who engage in a series of homosexual scandals while at the same time denouncing the life style.  No shock here beachbum.  Republicans bought this treatment, they can own it.  If there's a string of hypocritical dems, I'm sure it will be news.  Mayor of Detroit  ::) wooo...  It's amazing it was on the news, and for the week.  Don't talk about perjury like it's a big deal either, republicans have made it a huge no big deal.  They have lied and lied and lied and when they knew they would have to lie, just refused to ever say anything under oath--Hi Bush/Cheney.  Over and over and over, what a fucking joke.  Gonzales was caught lying to congress how many times?  No big deal to republican scum.

Might not be a big deal to you, but I think this is a potentially huge story.  Detroit is the 11th largest city in the country.  The fact the mayor of the 11th largest city in the country probably committed perjury and might be prosecuted is a pretty big.  The fact he is a Democrat will likely be a footnote.