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Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« on: December 05, 2009, 06:53:43 AM »
I'm leaving for this in a little bit.  I'll give an after-action report later.  

Me to Holder & obama:    GO F$%%^ YOURSELVES!  

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Speaker List 9/11 Never Forget Coalition Dec 5 Rally, Noon, Rain or Shine
December 4, 2009

in 9/11, 9/11 Families, Andy McCarthy, Call to Action, Debra Burlingame

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Bill Zeiser at bill.zeiser@gmail.com (516) 448-5489
Website: www.911neverforget.us

SPEAKER LIST FOR THE 9/11 NEVER FORGET COALITION DECEMBER 5 RALLY

When: Saturday, December 5th, 2009  12:00 noon

Where: Foley Square, New York City

Who: The 9/11 Never Forget Coalition, a diverse group of 9/11 victims, family members, first responders, active and reserve members of the military, veterans, and concerned Americans, is holding a major rally on December 5th to protest Attorney General Eric Holder’s plan to bring the 9/11 terrorist conspirators to trial in New York City.

Confirmed speakers list:

DAVID BEAMER
David Beamer is the father of Todd Beamer, a passenger on United Flight 93, which was hijacked on September 11.

TIM BROWN
Tim Brown is a retired, decorated 20-year FDNY firefighter and a survivor of the 2001 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.

DEBRA BURLINGAME

Debra Burlingame is the sister of Charles F. “Chic” Burlingame, III, pilot of American Airlines flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

BRIAN DENNEHY

Brian Dennehy is an acclaimed actor and will speak on behalf of his friend Judea Pearl, the father of reporter Danny Pearl, who Khalid Shiekh Mohammed admits murdering.

CURTIS SLIWA

Curtis Sliwa is a national radio talk show host heard in 20 cities around America. He is founder and director of the Guardian Angels.

RON AND ROBIN GRIFFIN

Ron and Robin are the Gold Star Parents of Army Specialist Kyle Andrew Griffin, 20, Bronze Star recipient killed in Iraq on May 20, 2003.

JAMES HANSON

Jim served in the US Army Special Forces and is the co-founder of the Warrior Legacy Foundation.
LEE A. IELPI

In March 2004, Lee, co-founded the Tribute WTC Visitor Center located across from the World Trade Center site in New York. He is the father of FDNY Firefighter Jonathan Ielpi, of Squad 288, who responded to the World Trade Center and perished on September 11, 2001.

DR. M. ZUHDI JASSER

Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser is the Chairman of the Board, founding member, and President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD). He is one of the moderate, anti-Islamist Muslims featured in the controversial PBS film, Islam v Islamists.

EDITH LUTNICK

Edie Lutnick is a Co-founder, Officer, and the Executive Director of The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund, a 501 (c) 3 charity established September 14, 2001.

STEVE MALZBERG

Steve Malzberg, one of America’s most recognizable faces and voices on the political talk scene, is a talk show host on WOR Radio in New York City and on the WOR Radio Network.

ANDREW C. McCARTHY

Andrew C. McCarthy is a former federal prosecutor and a Contributing Editor with National Review Online.

LAUREN MANNING

Lauren Manning is a former Managing Director and Partner at Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 11, 2001, Lauren was catastrophically injured in the attacks on the World Trade Center.

GREG MANNING

Greg was most recently Partner at Cantor Fitzgerald. He is the author of the New York Times bestseller, LOVE, GREG & LAUREN: A Powerful True Story of Courage, Hope, and Survival.

TERESA MULLAN

Teresa Mullan is the mother of FDNY Firefighter Michael Dermott Mullan, 34, Ladder 12 in Chelsea, who responded to the World Trade Center and perished on September 11, 2001.

PETER REGAN

Peter Regan is an active FDNY firefighter, and U.S. Marine who served two tours in Iraq and is a 9/11 family member. He lost his dad, Firefighter Donald Regan, FDNY Rescue Co. 3.

DANIEL RODRIGUEZ

Daniel Rodriguez is an operatic tenor from New York City. In the aftermath of September 11, he received widespread attention with his rendition of “God Bless America.”
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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2009, 06:58:23 AM »
for once I will be there to protest and not get reamed by a judge. 

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2009, 11:52:37 AM »
I went down there and go there around 30 minutes early it was about 39 degrees and raining lightly.  I parked the car and walked over to the WTC site for a silent moment.  Thats about two blocks from the Court House.  Walking towards the court house, I saw about 100 people called the Staten Island Tea Party marching towards the court House.  I hooked up with them and followed them to Foley Square. 

We got to the Court House and there were probably a few thousand people and some funny signs.  They set up a stage right across from the court house where KSM will be tried.  i tooks some pics for those who have never been here to show what it looks like.  The MC, Steve Malzberg, is a good radio host in NYC. 

The speakers were really good.  The best one was a former employee of Cantor Fitz. and another lady who lost her brother in 9/11.  Andrew McCarthy, the prosecutor who tried the Blind Sheik and 93' bombers of the WTC was also good.  Brian Dennehy read a letter from Daniel Pearles' family which was good. 

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2009, 12:07:58 PM »
If you guys want to know what the conversations were like at this rally, check this out.  Accent and everything. 


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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2009, 12:34:15 PM »
Standing there on the steps of the Federal Court House in NYC and walking by the pit of the WTC this morning,  where I am a few times a month at least, it really hit me what a complete disaster this decision is by Obama and Holder.

The anger is really brewing out there because of this garbage.       

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2009, 12:40:52 PM »
Wish you guys had busted in, grabbed KSM, drug him out and hung him there in the streets.

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2009, 12:45:02 PM »
Wish you guys had busted in, grabbed KSM, drug him out and hung him there in the streets.



I dont think he is in holding yet. 

There were some really good signs there.

The saddest of all were people walking around with signs with pictures of family members who were killed in 911.   

I couldnt help myself but tear up seeing these people and knowing what they must be feeling inside with this garbage. 

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2009, 03:12:37 PM »
Wish you guys had busted in, grabbed KSM, drug him out and hung him there in the streets.



Yeah?


Imagine if that guy who rape and killed those girls in Iraq was dragged out in the street and hung for all to see?   How would the world be condemning the mob?

In some ways the mentality is no different here than over there.

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2009, 05:17:07 PM »
Yeah?


Imagine if that guy who rape and killed those girls in Iraq was dragged out in the street and hung for all to see?   How would the world be condemning the mob?

In some ways the mentality is no different here than over there.

Maybe you didn't know it, but I'm a Muslim, originally from Iraq.
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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2009, 05:35:21 PM »
Maybe you didn't know it, but I'm a Muslim, originally from Iraq.

Cool, but i don't see how that relates to my post.

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2009, 05:38:39 PM »
Cool, but i don't see how that relates to my post.

I'm just joking, I was equating my self to the Muslims in the Middle East who do things like I suggested everyday.
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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2009, 06:53:51 PM »
If you guys want to know what the conversations were like at this rally, check this out.  Accent and everything. 



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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2009, 12:15:38 AM »
OzmO wrote:
"Imagine if that guy who rape and killed those girls in Iraq was dragged out in the street and hung for all to see?   How would the world be condemning the mob?"

Hooooooooooly shit, we'd be ballistic. 

The way I see it, anyone who gave Bush a vote cannot be mad that Obama did this.  Bush had 5 years to prosecute and hang these guys.  He had time to go on vacation and make cute videos looking for WMD under couch cushions - but not to prosecute the mastermind behind 911 huh?

Ya don't like how the lib is doing it, but it's gotta sting to realize this lib Obama (although he's doing it wrongly) is prosecuting the bad guys - AND BUSH DID NOT.

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2009, 05:24:06 AM »
OzmO wrote:
"Imagine if that guy who rape and killed those girls in Iraq was dragged out in the street and hung for all to see?   How would the world be condemning the mob?"

Hooooooooooly shit, we'd be ballistic. 

The way I see it, anyone who gave Bush a vote cannot be mad that Obama did this.  Bush had 5 years to prosecute and hang these guys.  He had time to go on vacation and make cute videos looking for WMD under couch cushions - but not to prosecute the mastermind behind 911 huh?

Ya don't like how the lib is doing it, but it's gotta sting to realize this lib Obama (although he's doing it wrongly) is prosecuting the bad guys - AND BUSH DID NOT.

Nonsense.  I will give you a detailed response later on this, but that is pure crap.  There is zero jusitification for this.

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2009, 06:22:19 AM »
I just wish bush would have prosecuted KSM.  I haven't heard a single simple answer why he didn't.

Of catching and killing bad guys was his #1 priority, why did he make the time to make funny videos and play golf - when these guys were still sitting unprosecuted?

Why didn't he prosecute?  I just want a simple answer.

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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2009, 06:40:35 AM »
I just wish bush would have prosecuted KSM.  I haven't heard a single simple answer why he didn't.

Of catching and killing bad guys was his #1 priority, why did he make the time to make funny videos and play golf - when these guys were still sitting unprosecuted?

Why didn't he prosecute?  I just want a simple answer.


No, you've yet to provide any justification for putting them on trial.  You've just made the assumption that this must be done.  Why?

If a conviction is guaranteed as Holder keeps pushing, then that in and of itself undermines any credibility of a fair trial.

If a conviction is not guaranteed and these guys are acquitted, Obama's not going to free them anyway.  So again, any credibility of a fair trial is undermined.

So why even bother?

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2009, 06:57:37 AM »
"No, you've yet to provide any justification for putting them on trial."

Well in that case... BUSH failed to secure enough evidence on the bad guys.

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2009, 08:22:34 AM »
"No, you've yet to provide any justification for putting them on trial."

Well in that case... BUSH failed to secure enough evidence on the bad guys.


240 - Hear me out.  you are not a lawyer and have no idea about the issues at play. 

When soldiers are on the battlefield they are not going about their business with the thought that:

1.  Federal Rules of Evidence must be adhered to.
2.  They have to give miranda warnings to people in custody.
3.  Preserving evidence for trial.
4.  That there is a presumption of evidence.
5.  That the guilt is going to have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. 
6.  That their methods and intel will turned over in discovery disclosures to defense counsel.
7.  That witnesses and CI's will be disclosed to defense counsel.

As to other matters, perhaps Bush did not prosecute KSM because he already wanted to plead guilty and there is no need for a trial in the first place!

Finally, there is absolutely no reason for a trial in civilian court considering this was an act of war.  They bombed the Pentagon, the Cole, Khobar Towers, etc, so to say it was simply a civilian attack it simply false.

I have not heard one good reason for this, not from Holder, Obama, none of the libs, and certainly not from anyone on this board.   

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2009, 08:28:51 AM »
'As to other matters, perhaps Bush did not prosecute KSM because he already wanted to plead guilty and there is no need for a trial in the first place!"


So what other option9s) did Obama have?

Just to keep him locked up?  Is that it?  If so, that's a steaming shit pile to leave Obama to inherit.

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2009, 08:37:54 AM »
'As to other matters, perhaps Bush did not prosecute KSM because he already wanted to plead guilty and there is no need for a trial in the first place!"


So what other option9s) did Obama have?

Just to keep him locked up?  Is that it?  If so, that's a steaming shit pile to leave Obama to inherit.

1.  Let him plead guilty in a MT.

2.  Try him in a military tribunal. 

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2009, 08:42:33 AM »
'1.  Let him plead guilty in a MT.

2.  Try him in a military tribunal.  "


So for the 100th time...

Why didn't Bush let him please guilty in a military trial, and why didn't bush try him in a military tribunal?

(My belief is that the usable evidence isn't there - they admitted he said nothing until they waterboarded)

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2009, 08:53:50 AM »
This guy spoke yesterday and was very good. 


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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2009, 11:27:43 AM »


Why didn't Bush let him please guilty in a military trial, and why didn't bush try him in a military tribunal?


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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2009, 01:17:03 PM »
240, you are absolutely wrong.  We can and should be appauled that Obama & Holder are forcing this into civilian court.  The logic is overwhelming why this is a bad idea.
Separately, Bush made a mistake in not forcing a prosecution in military tribunal in his 2nd term (after they got the intell).
Both bad decisions IMO.
We can't people separate Bush's mistakes from Obama's mistakes??

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Re: Anyone in NYC want to go to the protest re: KSM Trial?
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2009, 01:18:07 PM »
333, if I was in NYC, I would have joined you.  Forcing a civilian trial in NYC is so f-cking stupid.  It's all about the leftist agenda to reverse the Bush/Cheney treatment of terrorist prisoners.