BARRY BONDS IS

[willie mosconi]

And don't forget how many homeruns Joe D and Mantle missed out by playing in Yankee stadium.
back in their day left center was 440ft to the fence.

Bonds plays in one of the biggest ballparks in MLB

[hazbin]

anyone stop and wonder if pitchers today are also performance enhancing???

[The Coach]

anyone stop and wonder if pitchers today are also performance enhancing???

Why do you think I mentioned Clemens still throwing 6-8 innings in the mid 90's at the age of 45?

[MikeThaMachine]

And don't forget how many homeruns Joe D and Mantle missed out by playing in Yankee stadium.
back in their day left center was 440ft to the fence.

And to the right was a wall that was barely 300ft if that...

[MikeThaMachine]

and don't even fuccking think about comparing Bond's sorry ass to the King.

He played without having to ever face any blacks, latino's or asians. Not to mention the poor pitching back then cause guys pitched whole games and very often. He was a special guy no doubt about it but his skills can't really be transported to any other era and still be as great as he was.

[gh15]

liar,,hormonized ,,and good basball player

[SAMSON123]

In his 7 years with the Pirates Bonds hit 176 homeruns
In his 14 years with the Giants Bonds hit 578 homeruns

- Thats more than triple the amount in only double the amount of time with the Giants (less time if you don't count the lockout year).
- Theoretically Bonds should only be at around 528 homeruns TOTAL right now (using his consistent numbers from his first 7 seasons, averaging 25 HR's per season)

Had he not juiced, Bonds would have gone down in baseball history as a star similar to his godfather Willie Mays, or Roberto Clemente, Reggie Jackson, Cal Ripkin... players that were consistently above average standouts, that made great contributions to their team and the sport.  Instead he will go down in baseball history with a scandal like Mark Mcguire, Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson (okay not quite as bad as the last 2 since they were banned... but still names associated with scandal)

SAD PART OF WHAT YOU SAID IS THERE IS NO PROOF OF BARRY TAKING ANY DRUGS (HE HAS BEEN TESTED OVER AND OVER AND IT HAS ALWAYS COME BACK NEGATIVE). THE IGNORANT MEDIA HAS MADE CLAIMS AGAINST BARRY WHICH THE SMALL MINDED BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER!!!!!. STEROIDS DO NOT GIVE YOU OR IMPROVE YOUR SKILLS, TALENTS OR ABILITIES...SO MAKING THESE WILD CLAIMS ABOUT IMPROVING SCORES AND MORE HOME RUNS ETC ETC...IS NONSENSE. TAKING ROIDS WITHOUT TALENT, SKILL OR ABILITY IS LIKE TAKING A PILL THAT WILL MAKE OU LOSE WEIGHT WITHOUT DIETING OR EXERCISE.

Barry's skills, like any player who has been engaging in any sport for years, has improved over time and with experience. It would be ridiculous to believe that a persons home runs would remain consistently the same after playing for 21 YEARS. His first seven years with the Pirates built up his confidence and skills and the last 14 years has only made them better so his 550+ HR has been earned fair and square. The only thing at work here is JEALOUSY and ENVY which has reared this HATRED for the man... I AM SUPPORTING HIM ALL THE WAY!!!! and FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.

[Al-Gebra]

He played without having to ever face any blacks, latino's or asians. Not to mention the poor pitching back then cause guys pitched whole games and very often. He was a special guy no doubt about it but his skills can't really be transported to any other era and still be as great as he was.

the 600+ ft for his blasts is BS, but a 500 ft HR is a 500 ft HR . . . doesn't matter who's pitching. 

[The Squadfather]

the 600+ ft for his blasts is BS, but a 500 ft HR is a 500 ft HR . . . doesn't matter who's pitching. 

Mickey Mantle hit a few that were taped at 600 plus.

[Rimbaud]

SAD PART OF WHAT YOU SAID IS THERE IS NO PROOF OF BARRY TAKING ANY DRUGS (HE HAS BEEN TESTED OVER AND OVER AND IT HAS ALWAYS COME BACK NEGATIVE). THE IGNORANT MEDIA HAS MADE CLAIMS AGAINST BARRY WHICH THE SMALL MINDED BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER!!!!!. STEROIDS DO NOT GIVE YOU OR IMPROVE YOUR SKILLS, TALENTS OR ABILITIES...SO MAKING THESE WILD CLAIMS ABOUT IMPROVING SCORES AND MORE HOME RUNS ETC ETC...IS NONSENSE. TAKING ROIDS WITHOUT TALENT, SKILL OR ABILITY IS LIKE TAKING A PILL THAT WILL MAKE OU LOSE WEIGHT WITHOUT DIETING OR EXERCISE.

When was he tested?

[Al-Gebra]

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml

[Dballn247]

.....a rich Mother fcuker!!!

[onlyme]

In case you guys didn't know this but steroids DO NOT make you hit home runs.  They DO NOT help you hit the ball.  Bonds is a very good player offensively and defensively.  He has the genetics.  I do think from the added strength you get from taking the roids some of his hits went out that may not have gone out.  But, that is very little.  You still have to have the eye-hand cooridination and skill to hit the ball and the drugs DO NOT help that.  There are all kinds of varibles that make a difference from hitting a ball today than how it was years ago.  The balls when Ruth played were soft and barely round.  The wood wasn't always treated.  The pitchers threw slower and the fences were farther.  Nowadays the balls are harder, the pitchers throw faster and the fences are shorter.  A lot of varibles but no matter what Bonds is achieving something great.

[SirTraps]

He played without having to ever face any blacks, latino's or asians.

          hahahaha, how many hall of fame pitchers are you talking about ?    what a dumbshit

[pobrecito]

Mickey Mantle hit a few that were taped at 600 plus.

 

[onlyme]

This should answer the longest home run question.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml

[Al-Gebra]

This should answer the longest home run question.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml

care to look 4 or so posts up? 

[SirTraps]

Nowadays the balls are harder, the pitchers throw faster and the fences are shorter

         Pitchers dont throw any harder than they ever have, arm strength in most cases is something you are born with.  Another dumbass, have you ever heard of Bob Feller ?   No one today can hold his jock strap.


Many oldtimers will still tell you that Bob Feller (1918- ) had the fastest fastball in the baseball history. In 18 years as a pitcher for the Cleveland Indians, "Rapid Robert" amassed 2581 strikeouts as well as 266 wins and an outstanding winning percentage of .621.

After jumping straight from high school to the Major Leagues at age 17 in 1936, Feller struck out 15 St. Louis Browns in his first start, and struck out 17 batters in a game later that year.

Despite losing almost four prime years during his highly decorated service with the Navy in World War II, Feller went on to become the winningest pitcher in Indians history. He led the American League in strikeouts seven times, and paced the league in wins six times. In 1940, he went a league high 27-11 with a 2.61 ERA to capture AL Pitching Triple Crown. A lone dubious accomplishment for Feller was his major league record 208 walks in 1938.

By the time Feller ended his career at age 37 in 1956, he had crafted 12 one-hit gems and tossed three no-hitters, and had cemented his place in baseball history as one of the greatest pitchers of all time. Feller became a first ballot Hall-of-famer in 1962.

By the way, just how fast was Feller's legendary fastball? Well, the Air Force clocked its speed using an early radar gun in 1946 and decided that his best pitch of the day topped out at 109 mph. Take that as you will, but no pitcher since has been clocked higher than 103 mph.

[Croatch]

The funny thing is he'll be remember by many as a cheater.  It's too bad, he may have broken the record naturally.  MLB should have just kicked him the fuck out, another shortcutting cheeser in my book.  You never saw Micky Mantle take anything, but he managed right.  Fucking athletes today.  Well, everyone is doing it, so I think I will too.  Have some integrity, really.
At least pro athletes have some talent, behind any drug use.  Where as, bodybuilders have none..hahha

[Special Ed]

SAD PART OF WHAT YOU SAID IS THERE IS NO PROOF OF BARRY TAKING ANY DRUGS (HE HAS BEEN TESTED OVER AND OVER AND IT HAS ALWAYS COME BACK NEGATIVE). THE IGNORANT MEDIA HAS MADE CLAIMS AGAINST BARRY WHICH THE SMALL MINDED BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER!!!!!. STEROIDS DO NOT GIVE YOU OR IMPROVE YOUR SKILLS, TALENTS OR ABILITIES...SO MAKING THESE WILD CLAIMS ABOUT IMPROVING SCORES AND MORE HOME RUNS ETC ETC...IS NONSENSE. TAKING ROIDS WITHOUT TALENT, SKILL OR ABILITY IS LIKE TAKING A PILL THAT WILL MAKE OU LOSE WEIGHT WITHOUT DIETING OR EXERCISE.

Barry's skills, like any player who has been engaging in any sport for years, has improved over time and with experience. It would be ridiculous to believe that a persons home runs would remain consistently the same after playing for 21 YEARS. His first seven years with the Pirates built up his confidence and skills and the last 14 years has only made them better so his 550+ HR has been earned fair and square. The only thing at work here is JEALOUSY and ENVY which has reared this HATRED for the man... I AM SUPPORTING HIM ALL THE WAY!!!! and FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.

Agree with most of what you said, but Bonds did admit to taking the "Cream" and the "Clear" which are both anabolic steroids. His defense is that he was unaware that what he was taking was actually steroids.

[Camel Jockey]

Agree with most of what you said, but Bonds did admit to taking the "Cream" and the "Clear" which are both anabolic steroids. His defense is that he was unaware that what he was taking was actually steroids.

He claimed it was flax seed oil. 

He gave it to Shefield too.

[SirTraps]

he transformation that Barry Bonds achieved through the use of
performance-enhancing drugs is reflected in his batting statistics.
Bonds began using steroids before the start of the 1999 season, when
he was 34 years old. His numbers, as compiled by baseball-reference.com,
show that his performance improved dramatically at a time when otherwise
he might have been approaching the end of his career.

Of the five best offensive seasons in Bonds' career, four came after
he was 35 years old - and after 1999, the year he began using steroids.
The historic 2001 season, when he was 36 years old (his age as of
Opening Day), was the best of all - .328 batting average, 73 home runs,
an on-base percentage of .515. But 2002, when he was 37 (.370, 46 HR)
and 2004, when he was 39, (.362, 45 HR) also were excellent seasons for
Bonds, and 2003, when he was 38, was not far off the mark.

In fact, of Bonds' five best seasons, only one came in what is usually
considered a baseball player's prime. That was 1993, before steroids,
when Bonds was 28 years old and playing his first season for the Giants.

Year  Age   AB    R   H   2B  3B  HR  RBI   BB  SO    BA   OBP   SLG
2001   36  476  129  156  32   2  73  137  177  93  .328  .515  .863
2002   37  403  117  149  31   2  46  110  198  47  .370  .582  .799
2004   39  373  129  135  27   3  45  101  232  41  .362  .609  .812
1993   28  539  129  181  38   4  46  123  126  79  .336  .458  .677
2003   38  390  111  133  22   1  45   90  148  58  .341  .529  .749         

Bonds' home run production also increased after he began using steroids.
In his 19-year career (through 2004), Bonds hit 45 or more home runs in
six seasons. Five of those seasons were after 1999 - after age 35, and
after he had begun using performance-enhancing drugs.

Year       Age        HR
2001        36        73
2000        35        49
2002        37        46
1993        28        46
2004        39        45
2003        38        45

Another measure of Bonds' power surge is home run frequency - the number
of at-bats it took him, on average, to hit each home run. Over the first
13 years of his career - that is, before steroids - he hit a home run
every 16.2 at-bats. His most productive year during that period was 1994,
when he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. (Bonds played in 112 of the
Giants' 115 games in 1994, the season that ended in a lockout. He hit 37
home runs in 391 at-bats.)

[MikeThaMachine]

he transformation that Barry Bonds achieved through the use of
performance-enhancing drugs is reflected in his batting statistics.
Bonds began using steroids before the start of the 1999 season, when
he was 34 years old. His numbers, as compiled by baseball-reference.com,
show that his performance improved dramatically at a time when otherwise
he might have been approaching the end of his career.

Of the five best offensive seasons in Bonds' career, four came after
he was 35 years old - and after 1999, the year he began using steroids.
The historic 2001 season, when he was 36 years old (his age as of
Opening Day), was the best of all - .328 batting average, 73 home runs,
an on-base percentage of .515. But 2002, when he was 37 (.370, 46 HR)
and 2004, when he was 39, (.362, 45 HR) also were excellent seasons for
Bonds, and 2003, when he was 38, was not far off the mark.

In fact, of Bonds' five best seasons, only one came in what is usually
considered a baseball player's prime. That was 1993, before steroids,
when Bonds was 28 years old and playing his first season for the Giants.

Year  Age   AB    R   H   2B  3B  HR  RBI   BB  SO    BA   OBP   SLG
2001   36  476  129  156  32   2  73  137  177  93  .328  .515  .863
2002   37  403  117  149  31   2  46  110  198  47  .370  .582  .799
2004   39  373  129  135  27   3  45  101  232  41  .362  .609  .812
1993   28  539  129  181  38   4  46  123  126  79  .336  .458  .677
2003   38  390  111  133  22   1  45   90  148  58  .341  .529  .749         

Bonds' home run production also increased after he began using steroids.
In his 19-year career (through 2004), Bonds hit 45 or more home runs in
six seasons. Five of those seasons were after 1999 - after age 35, and
after he had begun using performance-enhancing drugs.

Year       Age        HR
2001        36        73
2000        35        49
2002        37        46
1993        28        46
2004        39        45
2003        38        45

Another measure of Bonds' power surge is home run frequency - the number
of at-bats it took him, on average, to hit each home run. Over the first
13 years of his career - that is, before steroids - he hit a home run
every 16.2 at-bats. His most productive year during that period was 1994,
when he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. (Bonds played in 112 of the
Giants' 115 games in 1994, the season that ended in a lockout. He hit 37
home runs in 391 at-bats.)

What didn't you understand about my post earlier, in the 80's threw to the mid 90's only 1-2 ocassionally 3 people would ever hit more then 40 in a year. These days you have about a dozen guys each year hitting that many. And once again don't forget he was a 3 time MVP before all this steroid bull.

[willie mosconi]

yet more misinfo from the media

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070805/COL01/70805001&imw=Y

MITCH ALBOM
755! But feat will become farce

August 5, 2007

BY MITCH ALBOM

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

Our long national nightmare is almost over.

San Francisco slugger Barry Bonds hit a home run in the second inning of the Giants-San Diego Padres game Saturday night, tying him with Hank Aaron for the all-time lead. One more, and Bonds would own the record by himself. And then he can disappear to the other side of the mountain, waving his bat like a baton as he leads the most joyless parade in baseball history.


Before he does, we should thank the man for teaching us something. He has taught us that making history will not change your own. This record does not absolve Bonds. It does not wash him clean. Whatever he has done, he has done, and if you are convinced, as I am, that a good number of his homers were hit while he was artificially powered and bulked up from steroids, then nothing changes except the math. He can have 755. He can have 900. Who cares?

He is not a hero. He is not worth a one-handed clap. Let him do his own cheering, his own waving, his own falsely humble speeches. Bonds seems to matter most in his own mind anyhow. Let him live there as a record holder. The outside world is entitled to its doubts.

And they will never go away. Has there ever been a moment this confused in baseball? What should have been a coronation became a torch passed with noses held. What should have been a glorious countdown has been a March of Dread.

Even as that ball flew over the wall on a 2-1 pitch Saturday night, there were more knots in stomachs than lumps in throats.

Just look at the evidence

Now perhaps you are one who says, “Leave Barry alone.” Perhaps you say, “He’s the record holder; show him respect.” Perhaps, because Bonds has never failed a steroids test (although we don’t know how many he has taken), you wish to give him the benefit of the doubt.

That’s fine. That is your right.

But know what you choose to ignore.

You choose to ignore numerous published reports -- including a book that took two years of research and hundreds of interviews -- that claim Bonds used steroids for years, including stanozolol, the same drug that got Ben Johnson tossed from the Olympics, testosterone decanoate, insulin, human growth hormone, and even trenbolone, which is more often used with cattle.

You choose to ignore claims that Bonds took up to 20 pills a day and injected himself with his drugs.

You choose to ignore the undeniable change in Bonds’ appearance, the thickened arm, shoulder and neck muscles. You choose to ignore his enlarged head, even though normal human adults almost never see their head size grow (unless they are taking steroids).

You choose to ignore the mind-boggling fact that, for his first 13 seasons, Bonds averaged 32 home runs and a .290 batting average, but, beginning when he was 34 -- an age that foreshadows retirement for many ballplayers -- Bonds somehow averaged 49 home runs and a .329 average for the next six seasons.

You choose to ignore that Bonds, who, in his 20s, never hit more than 46 home runs a year, suddenly, when he was 37, hit 73 in one season.

You choose to ignore that the man who allegedly supplied Bonds with all this stuff pleaded guilty to steroid distribution and went to jail, that Bonds’ former mistress has made claims about his steroid use, that the Tigers’ Gary Sheffield, who trained with Bonds, admitted using the so-called cream and clear substances -- two alleged designer steroids distributed by BALCO labs -- before bolting the program.

You choose to ignore the common-sense argument that players don’t suddenly become more powerful and more productive as they approach 40.

I don’t choose to ignore that much. And because I can’t ignore that much, I have to ignore his record.

Records can be ignored

Now despite all the hand-wringing, this is nothing new. Sports records have existed that people question or doubt, even some at which they flat-out laugh.

Baseball has its share of this. In the 1930s and 1940s, all kinds of records were set, but many believe that had black players been allowed to play the game, those records would belong to other men -- men named Josh Gibson or Satchel Paige.

For years, fans -- and even a baseball commissioner -- didn’t fully recognize Roger Maris’ 61 home runs as the best single-season mark, because Maris’ schedule was eight games longer than Babe Ruth’s.

And today, many feel Maris’ mark is more credible than that of Mark McGwire, who broke it with 70 -- but might have been juiced -- or Bonds, who broke that mark with 73.

Look no further than that to see how easily what Bonds did last night can be ignored. We have hardly celebrated Bonds’ achievement of 2001. So darkened is that mark by the shadows of steroids that you almost forget he holds it.

The same might happen with this all-time home run mark. Bonds puts it in his pocket, but that no more means he owns it than the thief owns a stolen watch.

One more dinger to go, and this farce will be over. If there were justice, if people told the truth, if steroids had not haunted baseball, then Bonds would have been shy of Aaron, and Saturday night would not have happened. But there is not always justice. There is not always truth. Bonds will trot around the bases and will, one day soon, march off into his own tainted horizon. Shed no tears when his parade passes you by.

GH, not roids, causes such growth

also, why is that people don't talk about the fact that Aaron hit the most HRs in his career (for a 4-yr stretch) between ages 35-39? (don't believe me? http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml)

Also, why is that Lance Armstrong is celebrated? or that Roger Clemens is not discussed in the same light as Bonds?

[SirTraps]

The Bonds incident involved Ron Kittle and a meeting Kittle didn’t enjoy with Bonds at Chicago’s Wrigley Field in 1993. Kittle hoped to auction a signed Barry Bonds jersey at a golf event, with the proceeds being given to a children’s charity. Kittle has written a book, “Ron Kittle's Tales from the White Sox Dugout” and included Bonds reaction to being asked to autograph a jersey which would benefit needy children.

"I paid about $110 of my own money for them, so they could be auctioned off at the golf outing. I did that all the time for stars like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Derek Jeter and Roger Clemens. When I tell them how their autographs help the cause, every player gladly signs — with one exception.

I walked up to Bonds at his locker in the Wrigley Field visitors' clubhouse, introduced myself and said, "Barry, if you sign these, they'll bring in a lot of money for kids who need help."

Bonds stood up, looked me in the eye and said, "I don't sign for white people." If lightning hits me today, I will swear those were his exact words. Matt Williams and other Giants were in the room and they heard what Bonds said.

I stood there for a minute, and the veins in my neck were popping. I've only been that mad a few times in my life. I was going to beat the (heck) out of him, really kick his (butt), but Williams saw what was happening, so he came over and got between us. Matt said, "Ron, that's just the way he is."

I said, "White guys aren't the only ones who get cancer," but Bonds had turned his back on me and walked out of the clubhouse. Somebody must have run in and alerted Dusty Baker, who was the manager of the Giants then.”