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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Sports Discussion Boards => Topic started by: SAMSON123 on July 27, 2007, 11:55:41 PM
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two HOMERUNS away from breaking Hank Aarons record... I hope tomorrows game is the winner for him
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two HOMERUNS away from breaking Hank Aarons record... I hope tomorrows game is the winner for him
his feet grew 4 sizes from eating his wheaties.
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he is the greatest baseball player I've ever seen
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two HOMERUNS away from breaking Hank Aarons record... I hope tomorrows game is the winner for him
I agree, can't wait!!
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he is the greatest baseball player I've ever seen
You should get out more often. Lay off the Xanax too while you're at it.
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You should get out more often. Lay off the Xanax too while you're at it.
bitter much?
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baseball players play 162 games over like 200 days..plus post season, pre season and year round training
it would make sense to get on a program/cycle of minimal test and other recovery agents to be at peak performance all the time.
I don't see the problem with this.
part of the problem with baseball is that you are stationary for a long time and are then expected to make an explosive reactionary movement....this could lead to freak injuries..you need something to assist in recovery
but then again this is the society that things creatine and whey protein are steroids and that it is ok to be 50lbs over weight.
we are so fucked
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an arrogent, roided jigger. ;D
have you ever met him? but yet you seem to know his personality.
Is michael Jordan or Larry Bird arrogant? who knows...don't believe the story the media spins for you
did you know that his father was treated like crap by the media and team owners? growing up this affected his relationship with the media..(it would have affected yours also)
why did you have to call him a jigger? why take it to that level?
McQuire, Sosa, Canseco and other are steroid users also..race plays very little here..you are better than that..
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Put that by his name and put just put next to about 3/4 of the league including, ARod, Clemens, Puljols, Sosa and anyone else who are putting up huge numbers. Shit, ARod is comming up on 500 HR's at the age of what? 32? and nothing's being said about that. Clemens is older than me (45) and he's still pitching 6-8 innings in the low to mis 90's.......not much has been said about that. So to single Bonds out simply because he's not media friendly is bullshit.
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one of the best ball player ever to play. people fail to realize or simply choose to forget that he won 10-12 golden glove awards and routinely hit 30-40 homers a year before the steroid scandal hit the MLB. he's not like maguire or sosa. they came out of no where to put up big #'s
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Put that by his name and put just put next to about 3/4 of the league including, ARod, Clemens, Puljols, Sosa and anyone else who are putting up huge numbers. Shit, ARod is comming up on 500 HR's at the age of what? 32? and nothing's being said about that. Clemens is older than me (45) and he's still pitching 6-8 innings in the low to mis 90's.......not much has been said about that. So to single Bonds out simply because he's not media friendly is bullshit.
I agree..
let me ask you something: roger was born 1962, so that makes him 45
if we go back 10-12 years or so..that would place him around 33-35..at the point most pitchers are just about done for and are usually wrapping up their careers. At that time he had 9, 10 and 10 wins. Boston then let him go because they thought that it was over
then a miracle happened at age 35+ he won 20+ or more several times. The man was just dominant at 35 to 41 winning several cy young awards. He found the fountain of youth and strength...interesting
yet you say that don't susect anything
men lie, women lie, numbers don't
the first 2 number columns are win and loses
1984 Boston Red Sox 9 4 4.32 21 20 5 1 0 --- 133.1 146 67 64 13 2 29 126
1985 Boston Red Sox 7 5 3.29 15 15 3 1 0 --- 98.1 83 38 36 5 3 37 74
1986 Boston Red Sox 24 4 2.48 33 33 10 1 0 --- 254.0 179 77 70 21 4 67 238
1987 Boston Red Sox 20 9 2.97 36 36 18 7 0 --- 281.2 248 100 93 19 9 83 256
1988 Boston Red Sox 18 12 2.93 35 35 14 8 0 --- 264.0 217 93 86 17 6 62 291
1989 Boston Red Sox 17 11 3.13 35 35 8 3 0 --- 253.1 215 101 88 20 8 93 230
1990 Boston Red Sox 21 6 1.93 31 31 7 4 0 --- 228.1 193 59 49 7 7 54 209
1991 Boston Red Sox 18 10 2.62 35 35 13 4 0 --- 271.1 219 93 79 15 5 65 241
1992 Boston Red Sox 18 11 2.41 32 32 11 5 0 --- 246.2 203 80 66 11 9 62 208
1993 Boston Red Sox 11 14 4.46 29 29 2 1 0 --- 191.2 175 99 95 17 11 67 160
1994 Boston Red Sox 9 7 2.85 24 24 3 1 0 --- 170.2 124 62 54 15 4 71 168
1995 Boston Red Sox 10 5 4.18 23 23 0 0 0 --- 140.0 141 70 65 15 14 60 132
1996 Boston Red Sox 10 13 3.63 34 34 6 2 0 --- 242.2 216 106 98 19 4 106 257
1997 Toronto Blue Jays 21 7 2.05 34 34 9 3 0 --- 264.0 204 65 60 9 12 68 292
1998 Toronto Blue Jays 20 6 2.65 33 33 5 3 0 --- 234.2 169 78 69 11 7 88 271
1999 New York Yankees 14 10 4.60 30 30 1 1 0 0 187.2 185 101 96 20 9 90 163
2000 New York Yankees 13 8 3.70 32 32 1 0 0 0 204.1 184 96 84 26 10 84 188
2001 New York Yankees 20 3 3.51 33 33 0 0 0 0 220.1 205 94 86 19 5 72 213
2002 New York Yankees 13 6 4.35 29 29 0 0 0 0 180.0 172 94 87 18 7 63 192
2003 New York Yankees 17 9 3.91 33 33 1 1 0 0 211.2 199 99 92 24 5 58 190
2004 Houston Astros 18 4 2.98 33 33 0 0 0 0 214.1 169 76 71 15 6 79 218
2005 Houston Astros 13 8 1.87 32 32 1 0 0 0 211.1 151 51 44 11 3 62 185
2006 Houston Astros 7 6 2.30 19 19 0 0 0 0 113.1 89 34 29 7 4 29 102
2007 New York Yankees 3 4 3.72 10 9 0 0 0 0 58.0 52 24 24 5 1 15 37
original link
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=112388&statType=2
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he's not like maguire or sosa. they came out of no where to put up big #'s
McGwire (spell his name right) didn't "come out of nowhere." He was Rookie of the Year for the American League in 1987 & was in the World Series three times with the Oakland A's, & was a team star as one of the "Bash Brothers" with Jose Canseco. Before he went to St. Louis, his at-bats stopped things dead in the ballparks he was in.
I saw him hit a home run in 2000, & it was one of the most incredible sights I've ever seen.
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McGwire (spell his name right) didn't "come out of nowhere." He was Rookie of the Year for the American League in 1987 & was in the World Series three times with the Oakland A's, & was a team star as one of the "Bash Brothers" with Jose Canseco. Before he went to St. Louis, his at-bats stopped things dead in the ballparks he was in.
I saw him hit a home run in 2000, & it was one of the most incredible sights I've ever seen.
what you must realize is that americans are notgood with history..and we love revisionist history
as you pointed out mcgwire was a star with power from day one
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(http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg)
Bonds is a skinny 20 HR and 30 SB player without all the juice and GH, the guy is pathetic.
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Look at Gary Sheffield, did he say the steriod gel patch on his arm was like Flaxseed oil???? He didn't know???
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Traps, how is he pathetic ? look at his # and awards before the steroid era in baseball. If he juiced he was wrong !! I agree !!!! But you can't deny his greatness before the steroid era.
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his feet grew 4 sizes from eating his wheaties.
Anyone who thinks he is not on juice is a moron.
I love steroids as much as the next guy, but why play in a venue where they are prohibited, take them on the sly, and then pretend like you’ve accomplished something? >:(
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Barry Bonds is Patrick Arnolds creation....put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Anyone who thinks he is not on juice is a moron.
I love steroids as much as the next guy, but why play in a venue where they are prohibited, take them on the sly, and then pretend like you’ve accomplished something? >:(
point is, they weren't prohibited at the time
that is the real scandal- selig just turned a blind eye to it all at the time
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The transformation of Barry Bonds
Wednesday, March 8, 2006
Back to Article
In this excerpt from GAME OF SHADOWS by Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance
Williams, the statistical transformation of Barry Bonds after he
began steroid use is detailed.
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The transformation that Barry Bonds achieved through the use of
performance-enhancing drugs is reflected in his batting statistics.
Bonds began using steroids before the start of the 1999 season, when
he was 34 years old. His numbers, as compiled by baseball-reference.com,
show that his performance improved dramatically at a time when otherwise
he might have been approaching the end of his career.
Of the five best offensive seasons in Bonds' career, four came after
he was 35 years old - and after 1999, the year he began using steroids.
The historic 2001 season, when he was 36 years old (his age as of
Opening Day), was the best of all - .328 batting average, 73 home runs,
an on-base percentage of .515. But 2002, when he was 37 (.370, 46 HR)
and 2004, when he was 39, (.362, 45 HR) also were excellent seasons for
Bonds, and 2003, when he was 38, was not far off the mark.
In fact, of Bonds' five best seasons, only one came in what is usually
considered a baseball player's prime. That was 1993, before steroids,
when Bonds was 28 years old and playing his first season for the Giants.
Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG
2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 .863
2002 37 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 198 47 .370 .582 .799
2004 39 373 129 135 27 3 45 101 232 41 .362 .609 .812
1993 28 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 126 79 .336 .458 .677
2003 38 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 148 58 .341 .529 .749
Bonds' home run production also increased after he began using steroids.
In his 19-year career (through 2004), Bonds hit 45 or more home runs in
six seasons. Five of those seasons were after 1999 - after age 35, and
after he had begun using performance-enhancing drugs.
Year Age HR
2001 36 73
2000 35 49
2002 37 46
1993 28 46
2004 39 45
2003 38 45
Another measure of Bonds' power surge is home run frequency - the number
of at-bats it took him, on average, to hit each home run. Over the first
13 years of his career - that is, before steroids - he hit a home run
every 16.2 at-bats. His most productive year during that period was 1994,
when he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. (Bonds played in 112 of the
Giants' 115 games in 1994, the season that ended in a lockout. He hit 37
home runs in 391 at-bats.)
From 1999 through 2004 - after steroids - the frequency with which Bonds
struck homers nearly doubled, to one every 8.5 at-bats. His best year was
2001, when he hit a home run every 6.5 at-bats.
YR AB/HR
1986 25.8
1987 22.0
1988 22.4
1989 30.5
1990 15.7
1991 20.4
1992 13.9
1993 11.7
1994 10.6
1995 15.3
1996 12.3
1997 13.3
1998 14.9
1999 10.4
2000 9.8
2001 6.5
2002 8.8
2003 8.7
2004 8.3
Before steroids, Bonds was an outstanding player and a likely Hall
of Famer, the numbers affirm. In more than 6,600 at-bats over 13
seasons, he batted .290 and hit 411 homers with 1,216 RBIs. He made
the All-Star team eight times and was selected the National League's
Most Valuable Player in 1990, 1992 and 1993. Had he retired after the
1998 season, he would rank 40th on the all-time home run list, above
Duke Snider. His 1,357 walks would rank 28th.
Using a mathematical average to roll those 13 seasons into a single year,
we see that Bonds, before steroids, hit for average and power and was an
excellent base runner. The composite Bonds year during that period looks
like this:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP
86-98 146 509 105 147 31 5 32 93 34 10 104 81 .290 .411
But after age 35 - after steroids - Bonds improved his game in most
categories. From 1999 to 2004, he had far better power and drove in and
scored more runs. His batting average increased by an astonishing 38
points, and his on-base percentage soared because of a big increase in
his walk total, which already was high.
At what should have been the end of his baseball career, Bonds became a
significantly better hitter than earlier in his career, as a composite
of those years shows.
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP
99-04 136 413 118 136 27 2 49 105 10 2 158 63 .328 .517
The post-steroids Bonds also became one of the greatest hitters of all time.
Lee Sinins, creator of the Sabermetric Baseball Encyclopedia, used
statistician Bill James' "runs created" formula, a measure of total
batting production, to determine the best offensive performances in
baseball history. As Sinins ran the numbers, Bonds' 73-homer year in
2001 was the second-best offensive season any player has ever had -
second only to Babe Ruth's 1921 season, when the New York Yankees star hit
.378 with 171 RBI.
Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP RC
RUTH 1921 26 540 177 204 44 16 59 171 145 81 .378 .512 243
BONDS 2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 228
Three of Bonds' post-steroids seasons were among the top 10 in baseball
history, according to Sinins' list. Only Ruth had more, with five top-10
seasons.
# Name Year Age Tm BA HR RBI RC
1 RUTH 1921 26 NYY .378 59 171 243
2 BONDS 2001 36 SFG .328 73 137 228
3 RUTH 1923 28 NYY .393 41 131 227
4 RUTH 1920 25 NYY .376 54 137 216
5 GEHRIG 1927 24 NYY .373 47 175 215
6 RUTH 1927 32 NYY .356 60 164 211
6 FOXX 1932 24 PHA .364 58 169 211
8 RUTH 1924 29 NYY .378 46 121 209
9 BONDS 2002 37 SFG .370 46 110 206
10 BONDS 2004 39 SFG .362 45 101 204
10 GEHRIG 1936 33 NYY .354 49 152 204
10 HORNSBY 1922 26 STL .401 42 152 204
Sinins' study also underscores the fact that in baseball terms,
Bonds was an old man when he emerged as one of the greats of the game.
Bonds was 36 when he had his 73-home run season, the first of three seasons
that rank in the top 10; he was 39 in 2004, which Sinins puts as 10th best
of all time, tied with Lou Gehrig's 1936 season for the Yankees and Rogers
Hornsby's efforts for the 1922 Cardinals.
No player was older than 33 when he performed at this high level. (Gehrig was
33 in 1936.) Ruth was 26 in 1921, which Sinins rates as the best season of all
time. The average age of the other players on the top-10 seasons list - along
with Ruth, Gehrig and Hornsby, there is Jimmie Foxx, the old-time Philadelphia
Athletic - was 27.
Yet another measure of Bonds' late-in-life power surge: By the end of 2005,
he had hit more home runs after age 35 than any of the game's great sluggers:
HR 35&UP Total HR %
BONDS 263 708 37
AARON 245 755 32
PALMEIRO 208 569 37
RUTH 198 714 28
JACKSON 153 563 27
MCCOVEY 137 521 26
MCGWIRE 126 583 22
MURRAY 125 504 25
SCHMIDT 123 548 22
MAYS 118 660 18
ROBINSON 111 586 19
BANKS 108 512 21
WILLIAMS 103 521 20
KILLEBREW 86 573 15
SOSA 49 588 8
OTT 48 511 9
MANTLE 40 536 7
MATTHEWS 19 512 4
FOXX 7 534 1
Sean Forman, proprietor of baseball-reference.com, used a different statistic
to track Bonds' power surge after 1999. In a study done in 2004 for The
Chronicle, he applied a measure of offensive performance called OPS, for
on-base percentage plus slugging percentage, to compare Bonds to other great
hitters.
Forman's conclusion: Starting in 2000, after Bonds had recovered from a 1999
elbow injury, he put together the greatest five consecutive seasons of any
hitter in baseball history. During that stretch, when he was age 35 to 39,
Bonds batted .339, hit 258 homers and drove in 544 runs, with an OPS of 1.316.
His performance was slightly better than what the study showed was the
second-best five-year run of all time: Babe Ruth's first five years with the
Yankees. From age 25 to 29, Ruth hit .370 with 235 homeruns, 659 runs batted in,
and an OPS of 1.288. No other players in baseball history came close, the study
found.
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I agree..
let me ask you something: roger was born 1962, so that makes him 45
if we go back 10-12 years or so..that would place him around 33-35..at the point most pitchers are just about done for and are usually wrapping up their careers. At that time he had 9, 10 and 10 wins. Boston then let him go because they thought that it was over
then a miracle happened at age 35+ he won 20+ or more several times. The man was just dominant at 35 to 41 winning several cy young awards. He found the fountain of youth and strength...interesting
yet you say that don't susect anything
men lie, women lie, numbers don't
the first 2 number columns are win and loses
1984 Boston Red Sox 9 4 4.32 21 20 5 1 0 --- 133.1 146 67 64 13 2 29 126
1985 Boston Red Sox 7 5 3.29 15 15 3 1 0 --- 98.1 83 38 36 5 3 37 74
1986 Boston Red Sox 24 4 2.48 33 33 10 1 0 --- 254.0 179 77 70 21 4 67 238
1987 Boston Red Sox 20 9 2.97 36 36 18 7 0 --- 281.2 248 100 93 19 9 83 256
1988 Boston Red Sox 18 12 2.93 35 35 14 8 0 --- 264.0 217 93 86 17 6 62 291
1989 Boston Red Sox 17 11 3.13 35 35 8 3 0 --- 253.1 215 101 88 20 8 93 230
1990 Boston Red Sox 21 6 1.93 31 31 7 4 0 --- 228.1 193 59 49 7 7 54 209
1991 Boston Red Sox 18 10 2.62 35 35 13 4 0 --- 271.1 219 93 79 15 5 65 241
1992 Boston Red Sox 18 11 2.41 32 32 11 5 0 --- 246.2 203 80 66 11 9 62 208
1993 Boston Red Sox 11 14 4.46 29 29 2 1 0 --- 191.2 175 99 95 17 11 67 160
1994 Boston Red Sox 9 7 2.85 24 24 3 1 0 --- 170.2 124 62 54 15 4 71 168
1995 Boston Red Sox 10 5 4.18 23 23 0 0 0 --- 140.0 141 70 65 15 14 60 132
1996 Boston Red Sox 10 13 3.63 34 34 6 2 0 --- 242.2 216 106 98 19 4 106 257
1997 Toronto Blue Jays 21 7 2.05 34 34 9 3 0 --- 264.0 204 65 60 9 12 68 292
1998 Toronto Blue Jays 20 6 2.65 33 33 5 3 0 --- 234.2 169 78 69 11 7 88 271
1999 New York Yankees 14 10 4.60 30 30 1 1 0 0 187.2 185 101 96 20 9 90 163
2000 New York Yankees 13 8 3.70 32 32 1 0 0 0 204.1 184 96 84 26 10 84 188
2001 New York Yankees 20 3 3.51 33 33 0 0 0 0 220.1 205 94 86 19 5 72 213
2002 New York Yankees 13 6 4.35 29 29 0 0 0 0 180.0 172 94 87 18 7 63 192
2003 New York Yankees 17 9 3.91 33 33 1 1 0 0 211.2 199 99 92 24 5 58 190
2004 Houston Astros 18 4 2.98 33 33 0 0 0 0 214.1 169 76 71 15 6 79 218
2005 Houston Astros 13 8 1.87 32 32 1 0 0 0 211.1 151 51 44 11 3 62 185
2006 Houston Astros 7 6 2.30 19 19 0 0 0 0 113.1 89 34 29 7 4 29 102
2007 New York Yankees 3 4 3.72 10 9 0 0 0 0 58.0 52 24 24 5 1 15 37
original link
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=112388&statType=2
Agreed that numbers don't lie, but consider this. I would have to say thay most pitchers longevity goes beyond 35 years old, you still have quite a pitchers that are still in the game at 39-40 and some even older as in the case with Randy Johnson (BTW, I heard Johnson is out and getting ready for back surgery which should be intresting if he makes a comeback after that and at his age) but they are not as dominant as Clemens.
I think the league has to be suspect of something but since Clemens is arguably the best pitcher in the history of baseball and the fans liked him and he was media friendly, they turn a blind eye.
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(http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg)
Bonds is a skinny 20 HR and 30 SB player without all the juice and GH, the guy is pathetic.
I hate when people put up comparison pics from 15-20 years ago and then put pics up from present day........even if he didn't juice, he would have been bigger, I see all the time when they put up those rediculous comparison pics of McGwire when he was with Oakland and then 20 years later when he was with St. Louis..........again, in a span like that ANYONE would change. While you're at it, just post a pic of when he was in little league and then post another when he was with Pittsburg ::)
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two HOMERUNS away from breaking Hank Aarons record... I hope tomorrows game is the winner for him
And we all know what everyone is going to cry about when he does break the record ::) ::) ::)
The same uneducated people that think creatine and androstiendione is an AAS. Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. But I guess the world needs uneducated cry babies too.
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But I guess the world needs uneducated cry babies too.
Fortunately, we have the yous of the world to help.
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(http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg)
Bonds is a skinny 20 HR and 30 SB player without all the juice and GH, the guy is pathetic.
YOU ASS WIPE...there is about a twenty year difference in these photos. If I get a construction worker and photograph him over a twenty year period where he just builds houses and does not work out, there will be a phenomenal difference in his body just from swinging a hammer, moving large items, climbing ladders etc...
YOU ARE JUST A HATER WHO IS JEALOUS BECAUSE THE ONLY SPORT YOU ARE GOOD IN IS TYPING ON YOUR ATARI KEYBOARD!!!!
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YOU ASS WIPE...there is about a twenty year difference in these photos. If I get a construction worker and photograph him over a twenty year period where he just builds houses and does not work out, there will be a phenomenal difference in his body just from swinging a hammer, moving large items, climbing ladders etc...
YOU ARE JUST A HATER WHO IS JEALOUS BECAUSE THE ONLY SPORT YOU ARE GOOD IN IS TYPING ON YOUR ATARI KEYBOARD!!!!
FUUUUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-03/22327462.jpg)
Skinny fucking pussy with shit genetics
Fucking cheater is juiced to the gills, epic longterm abuse of GH
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041203/041203_bonds_vlrg.widec.jpg)
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(http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-03/22327462.jpg)
Skinny fucking pussy with shit genetics
Fucking cheater is juiced to the gills, epic longterm abuse of GH
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041203/041203_bonds_vlrg.widec.jpg)
You're not very bright are you?
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Ya, Bonds is clean ::) I guess thats why his hat and shoe size has increased by 4 sizes. Hes a cheating scumbag whose natural playing weight is about 175 pounds.
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Ya, Bonds is clean ::) I guess thats why his hat and shoe size has increased by 4 sizes. Hes a cheating scumbag whose natural playing weight is about 175 pounds.
Got news for ya........about 3/4 of the league isn't clean, you need to read my previous post. If you want to call him a cheating scumbag then you add a whole lot players along with Bonds!!
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First of all 3/4 of MLB isnt on the juice-thats bullshit, second of all-Bonds and his accomplishments are ALL DRUGS, his HR per AB just about doubled when he went on the gear-and his natural playing weight/stats would never have allowed him to even approach the record. Hes a 175 pound 25 HR/30 SB type player who would probably have retired by now without the Pharmacy.
ESPN announced yesterday that Barry Bonds shirt size ballooned from 42″ to 52″, his shoe size grew from 10 1/2 to 13, and his hat size went from a 7 1/8 to 7 3/4. These “stats” were allegedly taken from Mark Fainaru-Wada’s and Lance Williams’ book, Game of Shadows. What else does the worldwide leader, or Fainaru-Wada and Williams have up their sleeves? So human growth hormones (HGH) makes the bones in a man’s body, in Bonds’ case the bones of the skull and feet, grow???
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First of all 3/4 of MLB isnt on the juice-thats bullshit, second of all-Bonds and his accomplishments are ALL DRUGS, his HR per AB just about doubled when he went on the gear-and his natural playing weight/stats would never have allowed him to even approach the record. Hes a 175 pound 25 HR/30 SB type player who would probably have retired by now without the Pharmacy.
ESPN announced yesterday that Barry Bonds shirt size ballooned from 42″ to 52″, his shoe size grew from 10 1/2 to 13, and his hat size went from a 7 1/8 to 7 3/4. These “stats” were allegedly taken from Mark Fainaru-Wada’s and Lance Williams’ book, Game of Shadows. What else does the worldwide leader, or Fainaru-Wada and Williams have up their sleeves? So human growth hormones (HGH) makes the bones in a man’s body, in Bonds’ case the bones of the skull and feet, grow???
All though it probably is true what ESPN reported, take into consideration they also have a negative Bonds commercial promoting their airing of play-by-play coverage of his at bats.
And if you don't that most of these guys (in any sport) aren't on gear, you're extremly naive, even when I played, there were some players that were on gear. I got a kick out that moron Peter Gammons the other day when he said that "we are in the steriod era".....that this clown doesn't understand is that it's been the "steriod era" for more than 20 years.
Traps.......don't kid yourself, these guys are on, not everyone, but most!!
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First of all 3/4 of MLB isnt on the juice-thats bullshit, second of all-Bonds and his accomplishments are ALL DRUGS, his HR per AB just about doubled when he went on the gear-and his natural playing weight/stats would never have allowed him to even approach the record. Hes a 175 pound 25 HR/30 SB type player who would probably have retired by now without the Pharmacy.
ESPN announced yesterday that Barry Bonds shirt size ballooned from 42″ to 52″, his shoe size grew from 10 1/2 to 13, and his hat size went from a 7 1/8 to 7 3/4. These “stats” were allegedly taken from Mark Fainaru-Wada’s and Lance Williams’ book, Game of Shadows. What else does the worldwide leader, or Fainaru-Wada and Williams have up their sleeves? So human growth hormones (HGH) makes the bones in a man’s body, in Bonds’ case the bones of the skull and feet, grow???
Put that by his name and put just put next to about 3/4 of the league including, ARod, Clemens, Puljols, Sosa and anyone else who are putting up huge numbers. Shit, ARod is comming up on 500 HR's at the age of what? 32? and nothing's being said about that. Clemens is older than me (45) and he's still pitching 6-8 innings in the low to mis 90's.......not much has been said about that. So to single Bonds out simply because he's not media friendly is bullshit.
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Put that by his name and put just put next to about 3/4 of the league including, ARod, Clemens, Puljols, Sosa and anyone else who are putting up huge numbers. Shit, ARod is comming up on 500 HR's at the age of what? 32? and nothing's being said about that. Clemens is older than me (45) and he's still pitching 6-8 innings in the low to mis 90's.......not much has been said about that. So to single Bonds out simply because he's not media friendly is bullshit.
exactly, in todays game i just assume EVERYONE is taking the stuff until someone proves me wrong, Bonds goes from never hitting over .316 or 38-40 HR's to hitting .370 and hitting 73 HR's in his late 30's, come on.
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Put that by his name and put just put next to about 3/4 of the league including, ARod, Clemens, Puljols, Sosa and anyone else who are putting up huge numbers. Shit, ARod is comming up on 500 HR's at the age of what? 32? and nothing's being said about that. Clemens is older than me (45) and he's still pitching 6-8 innings in the low to mis 90's.......not much has been said about that. So to single Bonds out simply because he's not media friendly is bullshit.
I totally agree with this post.
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can't hold Ruth's jockstrap.
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two HOMERUNS away from breaking Hank Aarons record... I hope tomorrows game is the winner for him
I just got back, epic booing of Benitez'. Barry didn't even get a hit, awesome game though..
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FUUUUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stark...you are so sensitive!!!!. I guess being WRONG realy upsets you....FAG
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Skinny fucking pussy with shit genetics
Fucking cheater is juiced to the gills, epic longterm abuse of GH
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041203/041203_bonds_vlrg.widec.jpg)
This is what you call JUICED...You must be about three years old if this is someone on the juice. The guy has an AVERAGE build of someone who takes care of themselves. NOTHING SPECTACULAR...
BTW...For those who really do take roids...it does not improve your skills, talent or abilities. So if a person can not play ball or any sport before roids...THEY CAN'T PLAY AFTER USING THEM. FACT!!!
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YOUR MOTHER SHOULD DIE TONIGHT....
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Oh Brother, hahahaha
Just admit Bonds is juiced to the gills, hes a Cheater and hes all Drugs
Another emotional cripple ::)
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Oh Brother, hahahaha
Just admit Bonds is juiced to the gills, hes a Cheater and hes all Drugs
Another emotional cripple ::)
No shit - who fucking cares about this 'roid head and his "record" - everyone knows it's NOT legit....fuck him - plus he's an asshole to boot.
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2 Hormones away?
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Oh Brother, hahahaha
Just admit Bonds is juiced to the gills, hes a Cheater and hes all Drugs
Another emotional cripple ::)
Again, so is damn near everyone else.
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plus he's an asshole to boot.
And that's the ONLY reason why he's getting a bad rap, he's on an even playing field just like everyone else!!
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I see you took my advise and posted his little league pic and comparing him to his big league pic, look he got bigger between that time.........he MUST be on juice ::)
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sorry "intense one", hes not 12 years old in that pic and it just underlines the fact that Bonds is naturally about 170 pounds without all the drugs. ::)
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sorry "intense one", hes not 12 years old in that pic and it just underlines the fact that Bonds is naturally about 170 pounds without all the drugs. ::)
Whatever, the problem is you just don't understand just how many players ar on gear. Do you remember a guy that played on the Angels (outfielder) around 1978 to about 90-91' named Brian Downing?
I remember when I was playing AA ball (1981-83) and once in a while he was sent down to my team for rehab assignments, we would talk a little about training, at that time he and I were basically the only ones that would weight train because trainers were not really down with baseball players working with weights for fear it would slow them down. He never really came out and said he was using steriods, but we both new without saying a word. Brian was bigger than most players and alot freaking stronger, and usually recovered alot quicker................t here was a reason for that!!!!!!!!
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Whatever, the problem is you just don't understand just how many players ar on gear. Do you remember a guy that played on the Angels (outfielder) around 1978 to about 90-91' named Brian Downing?
I remember when I was playing AA ball (1981-83) and once in a while he was sent down to my team for rehab assignments, we would talk a little about training, at that time he and I were basically the only ones that would weight train because trainers were not really down with baseball players working with weights for fear it would slow them down. He never really came out and said he was using steriods, but we both new without saying a word. Brian was bigger than most players and alot freaking stronger, and usually recovered alot quicker................t here was a reason for that!!!!!!!!
what happened to him i'm too lazy to google the name and what position did you play coach
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I saw him play many times backing up Jim Essian with the Sox, and i was aware he juiced. 3/4 of MLB isnt on the juice however, its mainly power hitters and a few pitchers. You can watch a game and look at the rosters, at least half of the players arent on drugs.
I dont give a shit what you want to generalize or guess-lets focus on Mr Pharmaceutical CHEATER Barry Bonds. The guy is all drugs and his record is Bullshit.
Downing by the way, was known as the "black smith" after the Sox traded him to the Angels, and he became an outfielder-roided up and a different player.
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I dont give a shit what you want to generalize or guess-lets focus on Mr Pharmaceutical CHEATER Barry Bonds. The guy is all drugs and his record is Bullshit.
You just can't focus one without focusing on the other, Ruths record was made to be broken, it was, Aarons record was made to be broken, it's going to be broken. Take into consideration the age that Aaron was when he set the final record, 42, Bonds is 43 and just now about to the record, almost a years difference between the two. Sorry Traps, no matter how you look at it......it's a fair record. Are you going to say that Aaron's record was because of gear?
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what happened to him i'm too lazy to google the name and what position did you play coach
I was a catcher and once in while third base!
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Nope as cited earlier in this thread, Bonds' HR per AB doubled after the age of 35 when he started juicing heavily, he would never have approached the record without DRUGS.
Ruth and Aaron set the record without juice. Bonds is a cheating piece of shit who also has been on heavy doses of GH, as his shoe size went from 10 1/2 to 13 ;D pathetic.
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Nope as cited earlier in this thread, Bonds' HR per AB doubled after the age of 35 when he started juicing heavily, he would never have approached the record without DRUGS.
Ruth and Aaron set the record without juice. Bonds is a cheating piece of shit who also has been on heavy doses of GH, as his shoe size went from 10 1/2 to 13 ;D pathetic.
You don't get it........it's taken Bonds LONGER to break the record than Aaron.
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which just underlines the fact that he is unworthy of the record and without DRUGS would have already been retired. Cheating piece of shit.
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which just underlines the fact that he is unworthy of the record and without DRUGS would have already been retired. Cheating piece of shit.
Do you think ARod, Clemens and Puljols and anyone else who has big numbers is cheating? After all, ARod's 32 and has one more to tie 500HR's!
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I was a catcher and once in while third base!
i know a guy who'd love to buy your old catchers uniform coach, what number were you? :-X :)
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do you motherfuckers really think guys like Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, and Mickey Mantle wouldn't have used roids if they were popular during their eras?
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Mickey Mantle was a genetic freak, hed be the fastest player in the game today and would probably hit 80-90 homeruns with that juiced up golf ball they are using. He never even lifted weights.
Bonds without the juice is a 25-30 HR a year guy, good but he wouldnt even sniff the record.
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Mickey Mantle was a genetic freak, hed be the fastest player in the game today and would probably hit 80-90 homeruns with that juiced up golf ball they are using. He never even lifted weights.
Bonds without the juice is a 25-30 HR a year guy, good but he wouldnt even sniff the record.
"mantle was a genetic freak" ...SURE HE WAS...SURE HE WAS... Mantle juiced just like the guys today!!! FACT...Juice has ben around since the 1930s. Old mantle was taking it in the ass on the regular...The book tells all...
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Mickey Mantle was a genetic freak, hed be the fastest player in the game today and would probably hit 80-90 homeruns with that juiced up golf ball they are using. He never even lifted weights.
Bonds without the juice is a 25-30 HR a year guy, good but he wouldnt even sniff the record.
mickey mantle was an alcoholic
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::) oh brother, the emotional cripple is back for more pain ::)
Im sure Mickey's shoe size went from a 10 to a 13 during his career too, Bonds is 100 % DRUGS and his record is a joke.
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exactly, in todays game i just assume EVERYONE is taking the stuff until someone proves me wrong, Bonds goes from never hitting over .316 or 38-40 HR's to hitting .370 and hitting 73 HR's in his late 30's, come on.
Yeah batting averages go up when you juice, just look at McGwire and Sosa ::) ::) ::)
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::) oh brother, the emotional cripple is back for more pain ::)
Im sure Mickey's shoe size went from a 10 to a 13 during his career too, Bonds is 100 % DRUGS and his record is a joke.
WHO SAID SOMEONE'S SHOES WENT FROM 10 TO 13? PROVE IT?
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Yeah batting averages go up when you juice, just look at McGwire and Sosa ::) ::) ::)
hahahahaha, another gullible shitheel who believes that Bonds is clean.
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The transformation of Barry Bonds
Wednesday, March 8, 2006
Back to Article
In this excerpt from GAME OF SHADOWS by Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance
Williams, the statistical transformation of Barry Bonds after he
began steroid use is detailed.
* * *
The transformation that Barry Bonds achieved through the use of
performance-enhancing drugs is reflected in his batting statistics.
Bonds began using steroids before the start of the 1999 season, when
he was 34 years old. His numbers, as compiled by baseball-reference.com,
show that his performance improved dramatically at a time when otherwise
he might have been approaching the end of his career.
Of the five best offensive seasons in Bonds' career, four came after
he was 35 years old - and after 1999, the year he began using steroids.
The historic 2001 season, when he was 36 years old (his age as of
Opening Day), was the best of all - .328 batting average, 73 home runs,
an on-base percentage of .515. But 2002, when he was 37 (.370, 46 HR)
and 2004, when he was 39, (.362, 45 HR) also were excellent seasons for
Bonds, and 2003, when he was 38, was not far off the mark.
In fact, of Bonds' five best seasons, only one came in what is usually
considered a baseball player's prime. That was 1993, before steroids,
when Bonds was 28 years old and playing his first season for the Giants.
Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG
2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 .863
2002 37 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 198 47 .370 .582 .799
2004 39 373 129 135 27 3 45 101 232 41 .362 .609 .812
1993 28 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 126 79 .336 .458 .677
2003 38 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 148 58 .341 .529 .749
Bonds' home run production also increased after he began using steroids.
In his 19-year career (through 2004), Bonds hit 45 or more home runs in
six seasons. Five of those seasons were after 1999 - after age 35, and
after he had begun using performance-enhancing drugs.
Year Age HR
2001 36 73
2000 35 49
2002 37 46
1993 28 46
2004 39 45
2003 38 45
Another measure of Bonds' power surge is home run frequency - the number
of at-bats it took him, on average, to hit each home run. Over the first
13 years of his career - that is, before steroids - he hit a home run
every 16.2 at-bats. His most productive year during that period was 1994,
when he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. (Bonds played in 112 of the
Giants' 115 games in 1994, the season that ended in a lockout. He hit 37
home runs in 391 at-bats.)
From 1999 through 2004 - after steroids - the frequency with which Bonds
struck homers nearly doubled, to one every 8.5 at-bats. His best year was
2001, when he hit a home run every 6.5 at-bats.
YR AB/HR
1986 25.8
1987 22.0
1988 22.4
1989 30.5
1990 15.7
1991 20.4
1992 13.9
1993 11.7
1994 10.6
1995 15.3
1996 12.3
1997 13.3
1998 14.9
1999 10.4
2000 9.8
2001 6.5
2002 8.8
2003 8.7
2004 8.3
Before steroids, Bonds was an outstanding player and a likely Hall
of Famer, the numbers affirm. In more than 6,600 at-bats over 13
seasons, he batted .290 and hit 411 homers with 1,216 RBIs. He made
the All-Star team eight times and was selected the National League's
Most Valuable Player in 1990, 1992 and 1993. Had he retired after the
1998 season, he would rank 40th on the all-time home run list, above
Duke Snider. His 1,357 walks would rank 28th.
Using a mathematical average to roll those 13 seasons into a single year,
we see that Bonds, before steroids, hit for average and power and was an
excellent base runner. The composite Bonds year during that period looks
like this:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP
86-98 146 509 105 147 31 5 32 93 34 10 104 81 .290 .411
But after age 35 - after steroids - Bonds improved his game in most
categories. From 1999 to 2004, he had far better power and drove in and
scored more runs. His batting average increased by an astonishing 38
points, and his on-base percentage soared because of a big increase in
his walk total, which already was high.
At what should have been the end of his baseball career, Bonds became a
significantly better hitter than earlier in his career, as a composite
of those years shows.
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP
99-04 136 413 118 136 27 2 49 105 10 2 158 63 .328 .517
The post-steroids Bonds also became one of the greatest hitters of all time.
Lee Sinins, creator of the Sabermetric Baseball Encyclopedia, used
statistician Bill James' "runs created" formula, a measure of total
batting production, to determine the best offensive performances in
baseball history. As Sinins ran the numbers, Bonds' 73-homer year in
2001 was the second-best offensive season any player has ever had -
second only to Babe Ruth's 1921 season, when the New York Yankees star hit
.378 with 171 RBI.
Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP RC
RUTH 1921 26 540 177 204 44 16 59 171 145 81 .378 .512 243
BONDS 2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 228
Three of Bonds' post-steroids seasons were among the top 10 in baseball
history, according to Sinins' list. Only Ruth had more, with five top-10
seasons.
# Name Year Age Tm BA HR RBI RC
1 RUTH 1921 26 NYY .378 59 171 243
2 BONDS 2001 36 SFG .328 73 137 228
3 RUTH 1923 28 NYY .393 41 131 227
4 RUTH 1920 25 NYY .376 54 137 216
5 GEHRIG 1927 24 NYY .373 47 175 215
6 RUTH 1927 32 NYY .356 60 164 211
6 FOXX 1932 24 PHA .364 58 169 211
8 RUTH 1924 29 NYY .378 46 121 209
9 BONDS 2002 37 SFG .370 46 110 206
10 BONDS 2004 39 SFG .362 45 101 204
10 GEHRIG 1936 33 NYY .354 49 152 204
10 HORNSBY 1922 26 STL .401 42 152 204
Sinins' study also underscores the fact that in baseball terms,
Bonds was an old man when he emerged as one of the greats of the game.
Bonds was 36 when he had his 73-home run season, the first of three seasons
that rank in the top 10; he was 39 in 2004, which Sinins puts as 10th best
of all time, tied with Lou Gehrig's 1936 season for the Yankees and Rogers
Hornsby's efforts for the 1922 Cardinals.
No player was older than 33 when he performed at this high level. (Gehrig was
33 in 1936.) Ruth was 26 in 1921, which Sinins rates as the best season of all
time. The average age of the other players on the top-10 seasons list - along
with Ruth, Gehrig and Hornsby, there is Jimmie Foxx, the old-time Philadelphia
Athletic - was 27.
Yet another measure of Bonds' late-in-life power surge: By the end of 2005,
he had hit more home runs after age 35 than any of the game's great sluggers:
HR 35&UP Total HR %
BONDS 263 708 37
AARON 245 755 32
PALMEIRO 208 569 37
RUTH 198 714 28
JACKSON 153 563 27
MCCOVEY 137 521 26
MCGWIRE 126 583 22
MURRAY 125 504 25
SCHMIDT 123 548 22
MAYS 118 660 18
ROBINSON 111 586 19
BANKS 108 512 21
WILLIAMS 103 521 20
KILLEBREW 86 573 15
SOSA 49 588 8
OTT 48 511 9
MANTLE 40 536 7
MATTHEWS 19 512 4
FOXX 7 534 1
Sean Forman, proprietor of baseball-reference.com, used a different statistic
to track Bonds' power surge after 1999. In a study done in 2004 for The
Chronicle, he applied a measure of offensive performance called OPS, for
on-base percentage plus slugging percentage, to compare Bonds to other great
hitters.
Forman's conclusion: Starting in 2000, after Bonds had recovered from a 1999
elbow injury, he put together the greatest five consecutive seasons of any
hitter in baseball history. During that stretch, when he was age 35 to 39,
Bonds batted .339, hit 258 homers and drove in 544 runs, with an OPS of 1.316.
His performance was slightly better than what the study showed was the
second-best five-year run of all time: Babe Ruth's first five years with the
Yankees. From age 25 to 29, Ruth hit .370 with 235 homeruns, 659 runs batted in,
and an OPS of 1.288. No other players in baseball history came close, the study
found.
HAHAHAHA You do realize he was voted player of the decade for the 90's and well everyone says he started "juicing" in 99 so it seems he was already a 3 time MVP and future hall of famer before he got into the "drugs".
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hahahahaha, another gullible shitheel who believes that Bonds is clean.
No but I don't believe he is only great because of using anything. Yeah it may have made it easier to play longer and given him some extra strength but do you really think just anyone could take some HGH and be as great as he has???
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his feet grew 4 sizes from eating his wheaties.
go barry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hell yes
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R AB/HR
1986 25.8
1987 22.0
1988 22.4
1989 30.5
1990 15.7
1991 20.4
1992 13.9
1993 11.7
1994 10.6
1995 15.3
1996 12.3
1997 13.3
1998 14.9
1999 10.4
2000 9.8
2001 6.5
2002 8.8
2003 8.7
2004 8.3
Hey "Mike the Machine" see how his HR numbers per AB leaped up after his confirmed drug use ? see how that was at the age that nearly all other natural ball players numbers decline ? His record is bullshit.
ESPN announced yesterday that Barry Bonds shirt size ballooned from 42″ to 52″, his shoe size grew from 10 1/2 to 13, and his hat size went from a 7 1/8 to 7 3/4.
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R AB/HR
1986 25.8
1987 22.0
1988 22.4
1989 30.5
1990 15.7
1991 20.4
1992 13.9
1993 11.7
1994 10.6
1995 15.3
1996 12.3
1997 13.3
1998 14.9
1999 10.4
2000 9.8
2001 6.5
2002 8.8
2003 8.7
2004 8.3
Hey "Mike the Machine" see how his HR numbers per AB leaped up after his confirmed drug use ? see how that was at the age that nearly all other natural ball players numbers decline ? His record is bullshit.
ESPN announced yesterday that Barry Bonds shirt size ballooned from 42″ to 52″, his shoe size grew from 10 1/2 to 13, and his hat size went from a 7 1/8 to 7 3/4.
Ummm Yeah SirDoucheBag yet some how you fail to realize still that during those years from 90-99 he was voted as THE BEST, he was a top vote getter for MVP EVERY YEAR and did overall some of the best all around baseball of all time. You are stuck focusing on the years in which he did things that no one else has ever done, when he was literally the most dominate batter EVER. That was when he became larger then life and "unbelievable" yet no one else who has ever used drugs has ever come close to be that great, I wonder why ???
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winning a few MVPs isnt when he "became larger than life" Dumbass, he became larger than life when he started hitting the sauce.
Again, at age 35 he suddenly becomes an incredible homerun hitter and his shoe size goes from a 10 1/2 to a 13 hahahahha ;D
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winning a few MVPs isnt when he "became larger than life" Dumbass, he became larger than life when he started hitting the sauce.
Again, at age 35 he suddenly becomes an incredible homerun hitter and his shoe size goes from a 10 1/2 to a 13 hahahahha ;D
Ummm Yeah SirDoucheBag yet some how you fail to realize still that during those years from 90-99 he was voted as THE BEST, he was a top vote getter for MVP EVERY YEAR and did overall some of the best all around baseball of all time. You are stuck focusing on the years in which he did things that no one else has ever done, when he was literally the most dominate batter EVER. That was when he became larger then life and "unbelievable" yet no one else who has ever used drugs has ever come close to be that great, I wonder why ???
Did you read my post correctly, I stated that you are focusing on the "steroid" years when he became larger then life and not giving notice to his already stellar and hall of fame worthy career.
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He was a very good player, but not a player who would have ever..........ever sniffed the HR record without drugs. Period.
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why didn't Canseco break the record?? he did juice. maybe he didn't inject enough "outoftheparkemol 250".
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is that a serious question ? ::)
The transformation that Barry Bonds achieved through the use of
performance-enhancing drugs is reflected in his batting statistics.
Bonds began using steroids before the start of the 1999 season, when
he was 34 years old. His numbers, as compiled by baseball-reference.com,
show that his performance improved dramatically at a time when otherwise
he might have been approaching the end of his career.
Of the five best offensive seasons in Bonds' career, four came after
he was 35 years old - and after 1999, the year he began using steroids.
The historic 2001 season, when he was 36 years old (his age as of
Opening Day), was the best of all - .328 batting average, 73 home runs,
an on-base percentage of .515. But 2002, when he was 37 (.370, 46 HR)
and 2004, when he was 39, (.362, 45 HR) also were excellent seasons for
Bonds, and 2003, when he was 38, was not far off the mark.
In fact, of Bonds' five best seasons, only one came in what is usually
considered a baseball player's prime. That was 1993, before steroids,
when Bonds was 28 years old and playing his first season for the Giants.
Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG
2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 .863
2002 37 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 198 47 .370 .582 .799
2004 39 373 129 135 27 3 45 101 232 41 .362 .609 .812
1993 28 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 126 79 .336 .458 .677
2003 38 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 148 58 .341 .529 .749
Bonds' home run production also increased after he began using steroids.
In his 19-year career (through 2004), Bonds hit 45 or more home runs in
six seasons. Five of those seasons were after 1999 - after age 35, and
after he had begun using performance-enhancing drugs.
Year Age HR
2001 36 73
2000 35 49
2002 37 46
1993 28 46
2004 39 45
2003 38 45
Another measure of Bonds' power surge is home run frequency - the number
of at-bats it took him, on average, to hit each home run. Over the first
13 years of his career - that is, before steroids - he hit a home run
every 16.2 at-bats. His most productive year during that period was 1994,
when he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. (Bonds played in 112 of the
Giants' 115 games in 1994, the season that ended in a lockout. He hit 37
home runs in 391 at-bats.)
(http://espn.go.com/i/editorial/2006/0511/photo/g_bonds88.jpg)
(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/brew/img/mar04/bonds327.jpg)
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of course it's serious. and Benoit should have hit the most home runs with all the juice he did. i guess he used to much "strangulatemol 400".
by the way, it is physiologically impossible for steroids to increase your shoe size. gh maybe, but that is not a steroid.
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correct, hes been steroids and a lot of GH
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Ugly, fat and very rich.
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winning a few MVPs isnt when he "became larger than life" Dumbass, he became larger than life when he started hitting the sauce.
Again, at age 35 he suddenly becomes an incredible homerun hitter and his shoe size goes from a 10 1/2 to a 13 hahahahha ;D
Like McGwire, Bonds always was a homerun hitter, there was nothing "suddenly" about it!
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People can say what they want but he passed all their drug tests. Given we all know he's on something but the bottom line is he PASSED all baseball's doping tests. But apparently, people still can't put that issue to rest.
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People can say what they want but he passed all their drug tests. Given we all know he's on something but the bottom line is he PASSED all baseball's doping tests. But apparently, people still can't put that issue to rest.
DUMB PEOPLE, BRAIN DEAD PEOPLE, HATER PEOPLE, SHEEPLE PEOPLE, GAY PEOPLE, ETC ETC CAN NOT STAND BARRY, BECAUSE THEY EITHER CAN'T BE LIKE HIM OR THEY WANT TO "BE" WITH HIM AND CAN'T AND THEREFORE THEY ALL HATE AND MAKE FALSE CLAIMS LIKE DICK LOVING SIRTRAPS
....GO BARRY GO....
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DUMB PEOPLE, BRAIN DEAD PEOPLE, HATER PEOPLE, SHEEPLE PEOPLE, GAY PEOPLE, ETC ETC CAN NOT STAND BARRY, BECAUSE THEY EITHER CAN'T BE LIKE HIM OR THEY WANT TO "BE" WITH HIM AND CAN'T AND THEREFORE THEY ALL HATE AND MAKE FALSE CLAIMS LIKE DICK LOVING SIRTRAPS
....GO BARRY GO....
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And also, these are the same morons that think creatine and androsteindione are AAS ::)
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People can say what they want but he passed all their drug tests. Given we all know he's on something but the bottom line is he PASSED all baseball's doping tests. But apparently, people still can't put that issue to rest.
he actually did fail a test because of amphetamines
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Look at Gary Sheffield, did he say the steriod gel patch on his arm was like Flaxseed oil???? He didn't know???
I thought that was Bonda as well.
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an arrogant, roided jigger. ;D
Whenever a brother is not docile or showin dem pearly whites to da boss man, he's considered arrogant or uppity.
I'm not a baseball fan but I like Bonds for the same reasons "certain" people DON'T like him!
Hope he hits 900 homers before he retires ;D
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hahaha...Barry bonds called Bob costas a "little 5'6"midget man who knows (nothing) about baseball'' ...Costas was on the today show this morning, ripping Bonds apart...lol that was Hilarious
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/wires/07/28/2010.ap.bbn.bonds.costas.0230/
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I really don't give a shit what he took (or didn't take). There really wasn't any rules against steroids & such in the MLB until recently. Probably over half the league was juiced during that time. I only have a problem with Barry's attitude towards the whole thing.
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I really don't give a shit what he took (or didn't take). There really wasn't any rules against steroids & such in the MLB until recently. Probably over half the league was juiced during that time. I only have a problem with Barry's attitude towards the whole thing.
The best part was he part took in theire little doping tests and he passed them all with flying colours.
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The best part was he part took in theire little doping tests and he passed them all with flying colours.
Too bad there's no test for HGH.
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I really don't give a shit what he took (or didn't take). There really wasn't any rules against steroids & such in the MLB until recently. Probably over half the league was juiced during that time. I only have a problem with Barry's attitude towards the whole thing.
Agreed. Many sports writers had their runs with Barry; most viewed him as a jerk. and barry doesn't respond well to all those suspicions. Do I think barry is juiced to the bone? hell yeah, but I don't give a shit. How many juiced Muthafcukers outthere breaking records? it's just useless to say barry is breaking records because his ass is juiced. The guy is a great player. period
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Too bad there's no test for HGH.
Is it even possible to test for HGH, Rim?
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Is it even possible to test for HGH, Rim?
I don't think so but I could be wrong.
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I don't think so but I could be wrong.
Guys could get away with taking HGH and not have to worry about doping. NFL, NHL, and baseball.
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the IOC drug test can be passed with unlimited GH, insulin, up to 200mg. testerone/week and most orals up to a couple days before the test. also, even if a drug shows up in high amounts and they can't detemine exactly what it is or if it is not specifically on the banned list; the athlete passes. i believe (don't know for sure) that Balco labs could tweek chemical structures enough to maintain the performance enhancement, but no longer be identified as a banned compound..
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BARRY BONDS IS.....
An asshole. Hope that helps...
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what is amazing to me is that Lance Armstrong is glorified while Bonds is demonized.
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I don't think so but I could be wrong.
Yes, there is testing for HGH.
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BARRY BONDS IS.....
An asshole. Hope that helps...
.....and thats the ONLY reason why he's being singled out!
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In his 7 years with the Pirates Bonds hit 176 homeruns
In his 14 years with the Giants Bonds hit 578 homeruns
- Thats more than triple the amount in only double the amount of time with the Giants (less time if you don't count the lockout year).
- Theoretically Bonds should only be at around 528 homeruns TOTAL right now (using his consistent numbers from his first 7 seasons, averaging 25 HR's per season)
Had he not juiced, Bonds would have gone down in baseball history as a star similar to his godfather Willie Mays, or Roberto Clemente, Reggie Jackson, Cal Ripkin... players that were consistently above average standouts, that made great contributions to their team and the sport. Instead he will go down in baseball history with a scandal like Mark Mcguire, Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson (okay not quite as bad as the last 2 since they were banned... but still names associated with scandal)
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Yes, there is testing for HGH.
Really? I wasn't aware of that. Any information you could throw my way?
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"Coach" is full of shit or just lying
This story quietly slipped by the mainstream media, who is fixated on Barry Bonds career home run record chase and All-Star appearance. Commissioner Bud Selig talked about an HGH test for MLB (Toronto Star).
Bud_selig_2 Commissioner Bud Selig feels that baseball is doing all it can to catch up with cheaters that use the undetectable Human Growth Hormone as a substitute for steroids.
"Do I have frustrations about Human Growth Hormone? Yes," Selig said. "Do (our doctors) have frustrations? Yes. Dr. (Don) Catlin's working on tests. There is no test. They went into that with me in great detail. They had heard and read a lot of things which are not true. The Olympics did have tests (for HGH). The results of those tests have not been shown to anybody. They're still sitting with the samples. So, there is no test."
Baseball has often been criticized for patting itself on the back about its drug-testing program while cheating goes on under its nose.
This information is important. News organizations fry Selig on a daily basis. However, he appears to be trying to so something about the issue. According to the interview Selig remains aware of the doping potential of HGH and other PEDs that escape testing procedures.
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No but I don't believe he is only great because of using anything. Yeah it may have made it easier to play longer and given him some extra strength but do you really think just anyone could take some HGH and be as great as he has???
He took steroids too dumbass.
His girl confirmed it.. Acne on his back when he never had it before and the sudden increase in size.
He juiced and that's final.
Would he have been great without juicing? Yes. Would he have over 600 home runs? Probably not.
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fucck Bonds, Sosa, Mcgwire and these fakers, this guy was a real ballplayer.
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when these juiced up clowns do half of what this guy did DRUG FREE i'll acknowledge them.
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hahahahaha, Mantle was a FREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 734FT. home run, hahahahaha, let's see any of these clowns today do that.
(1) 734 feet (5/22/63, Yankee Stadium Façade* – Pitcher: Bill Fischer, Kansas City Athletics – Left-handed)
Mickey said that the "hardest ball I ever hit" came in the 11th inning on May 22, 1963 at Yankee Stadium. Leading off in the bottom of the 11th, with the score tied 7-7, A's pitcher Bill Fischer tried to blow a fastball past Mickey.
Bad idea. Mickey stepped into it and, with perfect timing, met the ball with the sweet spot of his bat, walloping it with everything he had. The sound of the bat colliding with the ball was likened to a cannon shot. The players on both benches jumped to their feet. Yogi Berra shouted, "That's it!" The ball rose in a majestic laser-like drive, rocketing into the night toward the farthest confines of Yankee Stadium. The question was never whether it was a home run or not. The question was whether this was going to be the first ball to be hit out of Yankee Stadium.
That it had the height and distance was obvious. But would it clear the façade, the decoration on the front side of the roof above the third deck in rightfield? "I usually didn't care how far the ball went so long as it was a home run. But this time I thought, 'This ball could go out of Yankee Stadium!'"
Just as the ball was about to leave the park, it struck the façade mere inches from the top with such ferocity that it bounced all the way back to the infield. That it won the game was an afterthought. Mickey just missed making history. It was the closest a ball has ever come to going out of Yankee Stadium in a regular season game.**
The question then became "How far would the ball have gone had the façade not prevented it from leaving the park?" Using geometry, it is possible to calculate the distance with some accuracy. The principle variable is how high the ball would have gone. If we assume the ball was at its apex at the point where it struck the façade, using the Pythagorean Theorem ("In a right triangle, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides") we can determine the distance from home plate to the point where the ball struck the façade. Then we can use calculus to calculate that the distance the ball would have traveled would have been 636 feet. However, there are a number of undetermined factors: wind velocity, spin on the ball, the speed of the pitch Mickey hit, and others. (For a more complete explanation of the calculations and complete description of this and other Mantle homers, see Explosion! by Mark Gallagher. This book is the definitive book on Mantle's homers. Unfortunately, it is out of print. It may be available at your local library.)
So how do we get 734 feet? In the example above, we assumed that the ball was at its apex when it struck the façade. However, observers were unanimous in their opinion that the ball was still rising when it hit the façade. How do we determine how high the ball would have gone? In fact, we cannot. From this point forward all numbers become guesses, estimates of how high we think the ball might have gone. A conservative estimate would be 20 feet. Those 20 feet make a major difference. They cause our calculation to go up almost 100 feet, to the 734 foot number listed above. Is 20 feet a fair estimate? Those present when the ball was hit feel that it would have gone at least that much higher, and many feel that the 20 foot number is far too low. It is all just a guess.
This is a good example of what can happen with estimates, especially computer estimates that determine the length of home runs now. Most of the home run distance numbers used today are the result of computer estimates of how far the ball would have traveled without obstruction. (One of these programs gave the 734 foot number listed.) Whether or not this is a fair number is a matter of opinion. However, if the distance of this home run is disputed, then the distance of many of the home runs hit by today's players must be questioned. While the software used for home run distances has greatly improved, there remain questions as to its accuracy. It is important to note that many of Mickey's home runs were measured to the point they actually landed, leaving no question about the accuracy of the distance reported.
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In his 7 years with the Pirates Bonds hit 176 homeruns
In his 14 years with the Giants Bonds hit 578 homeruns
- Thats more than triple the amount in only double the amount of time with the Giants (less time if you don't count the lockout year).
- Theoretically Bonds should only be at around 528 homeruns TOTAL right now (using his consistent numbers from his first 7 seasons, averaging 25 HR's per season)
Had he not juiced, Bonds would have gone down in baseball history as a star similar to his godfather Willie Mays, or Roberto Clemente, Reggie Jackson, Cal Ripkin... players that were consistently above average standouts, that made great contributions to their team and the sport. Instead he will go down in baseball history with a scandal like Mark Mcguire, Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson (okay not quite as bad as the last 2 since they were banned... but still names associated with scandal)
What you don't realize though is back during his first 7 years a guy that hit over 30 home runs would be among the leauge leaders. Only 1-2 people a year hit 40 or more except one year when three did. Also among the top home run hitters in that time every year Barry hit 25+ he was also one of the best all around hitters, don't foget he stole lots of bases too. Along with everything else he won 3 MVP's during that time which even then tied him with many other all-time greats for most ever WITHIN HIS FIRST 8 YEARS!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah and regular home run chart toppers (even winning some home run titles) during that time were Big Mac and Canseco so let me ask you????? Should their records be under such harsh attack as well???
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Mickey Mantle was also the fastest player in the game, along with hitting a baseball further than anyone else. The guy was a genetic freak. Imagine if he had juiced and took GH while lifting weights :o Bonds is a selfish fraud who while being a very good player would never even sniff the HR record without drugs. Hes a naturally skinny line drive hitter with good speed-like his dad, 175 pounder all blown up on drugs.
All times from the left side
Mantle was clocked at 3.1 (fastest documented time in MLB)
Bo Jackson was timed at 3.2 (3.65 from the right side)
Deion Sanders was timed at 3.3
Ralph Garr was timed at 3.3 (unconfirmed 3.2)
Rick Manning was timed at 3.3 (ran a 9.8 100 yard dash in High School)
Miguel Dilone was timed at 3.3
Mickey Rivers was timed at 3.4
Willie Wilson was timed at 3.6 and 3.7
Ichiro was timed at 3.7 seconds
Reggie Jackson (in his early days) was sub 4.0 down the line. ( he stated 3.8)
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Mickey Mantle was also the fastest player in the game, along with hitting a baseball further than anyone else. The guy was a genetic freak. Imagine if he had juiced and took GH while lifting weights :o Bonds is a selfish fraud who while being a very good player would never even sniff the HR record without drugs. Hes a naturally skinny line drive hitter with good speed-like his dad, 175 pounder all blown up on drugs.
All times from the left side
Mantle was clocked at 3.1 (fastest documented time in MLB)
Bo Jackson was timed at 3.2 (3.65 from the right side)
Deion Sanders was timed at 3.3
Ralph Garr was timed at 3.3 (unconfirmed 3.2)
Rick Manning was timed at 3.3 (ran a 9.8 100 yard dash in High School)
Miguel Dilone was timed at 3.3
Mickey Rivers was timed at 3.4
Willie Wilson was timed at 3.6 and 3.7
Ichiro was timed at 3.7 seconds
Reggie Jackson (in his early days) was sub 4.0 down the line. ( he stated 3.8)
you're damn right.
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Reggie Jackson was a freak too.. Not a skilled switch hitter like Mantle, but have you guys seem some of his homers? He crushed the ball. :-X
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Reggie Jackson was a freak too.. Not a skilled switch hitter like Mantle, but have you guys seem some of his homers? He crushed the ball. :-X
yeah but NOWHERE NEAR what Number 7 did, Mantle was a freak.
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and don't even fuccking think about comparing Bond's sorry ass to the King.
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I have YES(yankees sports and entertainment) network and they did a special on Mantle.
Saw it like a while back and everyone they interviewed said Mantle had freaky strength.
Of course later on he became an alcoholic but could still hit for power.
Those guys that hit 40 homeruns back in the old days were all special. The parks back then were huge and most of the guys didn't even work out and had jobs in the offseason.
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I have YES(yankees sports and entertainment) network and they did a special on Mantle.
Saw it like a while back and everyone they interviewed said Mantle had freaky strength.
Of course later on he became an alcoholic but could still hit for power.
Those guys that hit 40 homeruns back in the old days were all special. The parks back then were huge and most of the guys didn't even work out and had jobs in the offseason.
good to see that a young guy can recognize that, Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs in 1927 during the dead ball era when you were considered a superstar if you hit 25 home runs, that's a freak of nature.
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good to see that a young guy can recognize that, Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs in 1927 during the dead ball era when you were considered a superstar if you hit 25 home runs, that's a freak of nature.
I do like baseball.
No cricket here. ;D
I love history, so naturally I like watching and learning about baseball history.
They did a special on Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hit streak a week back.. Man, that's 100x more impressive than Bonds breaking Aaron's record. Joe D smoked cigs in the club house and hit for 56 straight games. ;D
And keep in mind that most of the ball players in 40's and 50's served in the military.. SO they had bits of their careers taken from them.
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The dilution of talent in every major sport makes it easy to forget that the numbers were much lower decades ago.
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I do like baseball.
No cricket here. ;D
I love history, so naturally I like watching and learning about baseball history.
They did a special on Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hit streak a week back.. Man, that's 100x more impressive than Bonds breaking Aaron's record. Joe D smoked cigs in the club house and hit for 56 straight games. ;D
And keep in mind that most of the ball players in 40's and 50's served in the military.. SO they had bits of their careers taken from them.
exactly, no one will ever touch DiMaggio's record, an even freakier record is Cy Young's 511 career wins, hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa, can you fuccking imagine? Clemens just hit 350 around a month ago and he's been pitching since 1986, no onw will ever touch Nolan Ryan's 5,714 career strikeouts or 7 career no hitters either.
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fucck Bonds, Sosa, Mcgwire and these fakers, this guy was a real ballplayer.
why don't people understand that situations can compel certain types of aberrant behavior?
These guys from way back in the day are glorified as some great, morally up-standing individuals. However, if many of their peers were using roids and there were no regulations against it, and they were suffering competitively as a consequence of such policies, you don't think they would have used roids as well? They would have. They weren't gods. They, too, would have succumbed to the pressure
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why don't people understand that situations can compel certain types of aberrant behavior?
These guys from way back in the day are glorified as some great, morally up-standing individuals. However, if many of their peers were using roids and there were no regulations against it, and they were suffering competitively as a consequence of such policies, you don't think they would have used roids as well? They would have. They weren't gods. They, too, would have succumbed to the pressure
hahahahha, another shitheel who thinks Bonds is some great athlete. ::)
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thats bullshit.
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Baseball is boring and gay. what kind of guy wants to watch a bunch of guys in tights?
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Really? I wasn't aware of that. Any information you could throw my way?
I'm between clients right now, here's a quick interview, I'll pull some clinical cases later tonight. I have some saved.
Medscape: Dr. Garnier, the Medical Director of WADA, recently posted a letter addressed to doctors who support doping in sports. What happened to prompt this?
Mr. Pound: Many of the substances used for performance enhancement are prescription drugs — athletes are getting them from somewhere on the basis of prescriptions written by doctors. Dr. Garnier just felt it was a timely and useful thing to do to draw attention to the problem.
Medscape: Why would any doctors support doping in sports? What are some of the reasons you've heard?
Mr. Pound: There are a whole bunch of self-serving justifications. A lot of it is about money — many of these treatments are very expensive. Some say it's safer to do it under medical supervision than not. It's all complete nonsense. They know their patients, they know what their patients do for a living or in nonprofessional sports. And they know whether they're providing something that is a prohibited substance or method. I think there's an ethical duty on the part of physicians to not do this sort of thing.
Medscape: It sounds like WADA's testing procedures are pretty sophisticated. Is it true that anybody who is tested is likely to get caught?
Mr. Pound: The tests are getting better. Most of these doping substances and methods have been around for quite a while, so we've become pretty good at testing for them. We're pretty much on top of some of the newer ones, and there are now tests for things like erythropoietin (EPO) and human growth hormone (HGH). The science inherent in the tests is pretty well accepted, although there are predictable challenges and defenses on the part of anybody who has been caught. They try everything, they say it's not their sample, it wasn't sealed properly, the chain of custody is wrong, the test is no good, the substance was naturally produced. It's almost like there's some kind of checklist that's very predictable; we've heard it all before.
The thing is, we know the science before we put any test out there. We do our best to make sure it's scientifically reliable. We don't want to sanction some athlete for doping unless we're really quite certain that's what happened.
Medscape: So, science is making it pretty tough to cheat.
Mr. Pound: It is certainly making it tougher. We've got better tests, plus we don't just put random names in a hat — we target-test where we think there may be a problem. In addition, as in the case of Landis, where the lab folks got a hugely elevated TE (testosterone-epitestosterone) ratio, then did another cross-check on it to make sure the testosterone they were finding was artificial. It's getting to the point where you can run but you can't hide.
Medscape: The tests sound so sensitive. Are they at all likely to pick up traces of substances that aren't a problem? For instance, smaller, therapeutic amounts of medications athletes might need for an actual health problem?
Mr. Pound: Well, there's the Therapeutic Use Exemption and a process that goes along with that. Athletes shouldn't be denied necessary medical treatment.
Medscape: What do you do when there is a positive result in the works?
Mr. Pound: The technician would say to the lab director something like, "I'm getting a positive here, and it's all double-checked." We want to make sure we get this right because if we have a positive there will be an appeal. So, we have to make sure we've got it done properly. By the time a sample is declared positive, there's a very high degree of scientific certainty that it was indeed a positive test.
Medscape: Is it just urine that's tested in athletes?
Mr. Pound: It's mostly urine, but sometimes blood is tested. The tried and true method of urinalysis and mass spectrometry are the work horses of drug testing.
Medscape: The list of prohibited subs is huge. You're not looking for every drug on that list in every test, are you?
Mr. Pound: In principle, yes. If you're a lab, what you get is a sample with a code number on it. You have no idea what sport or what athlete may be involved, so you're looking for the whole menu of prohibited substances. There are basically 4 or 5 major classes — the growth enhancers, oxygen enhancers, anabolics, blood doping, and so on. While there are a lot of particular names on the list, most are within a limited number of classes.
Medscape: Does it cost a lot to do these tests?
Mr. Pound: Some of them, yes. I think the average cost is probably $500-$600.
Medscape: With WADA labs doing upwards of 180,000 tests each year, worldwide, that's a lot of money. All this cheating is taking away time and money that could be used for training and sports programs. How are the tests funded?
Mr. Pound: Sports federations have their own budgets for doping control, national organizations do, WADA does, governments do, professional sports leagues do. In the case of WADA, tests are funded 50-50 by the sport movement and by governments, the same ratio as all of our activities.
Medscape: When it comes to amateur and semi-pro sports, what sorts of ergogenic drugs are being used that aren't being talked about a lot? There's so much talk about steroids in the media, but there must be other important ones the public isn't as aware of.
Mr. Pound: The designer steroids are among the ones that are out there now, where they take the traditional anabolic steroids that people have been able to find for years and tweak the molecule so they give off a different signature under mass spectrometry. That was the whole THG (tetrahydrogestrinone) revelation coming out of the labs that were producing it. THG was made by altering the molecule of another prohibited substance.
We've spent a fair bit of time doing our own investigation and have identified several other designer steroids and are ready for them. Our labs are in a position to recognize them when tests are done. Work on human growth hormone has been ongoing for quite a while. We've now got a means of identifying both natural and artificial HGH. But this all requires some education of the labs so they know what to look for, and we hope to provide a sort of kit to allow them to do it fairly easily.
Doping via genetic manipulation is on the horizon, too, and we're working on tests to identify that. It's an ongoing game of cat and mouse.
Medscape: A lot of people probably don't realize the amount of research WADA does in terms of developing tests. It sounds like a lot of effort is put in this direction?
Mr. Pound: Yes, we spend about 25% of our entire budget on research and development (R&D).
Medscape: How has this happened in sport?
Mr. Pound: This whole culture of cheating is symptomatic of what's going on in society in general. Think of Enron and other business failures, professional and academic cheating, media failures of governance and so forth. Unfortunately, it has spread to sports at all levels, from high schools to elite sports and professional sports.
Medscape: Where are the designer steroids showing up? Are they more commonly used in pro-sports?
Mr. Pound: Well, the THG from Balco [Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative] was showing up in Olympic sport, as well as in baseball and football. It's everywhere where people are looking for an edge and are prepared to pay for it.
Medscape: How many designer steroids are out there?
Mr. Pound: I'm not entirely sure. Not just THG, since we've identified about 4 or 5. Probably about half a dozen or so at this point, but I don't want to suggest that's a cap.
Medscape: Is it difficult to make designer steroids? I mean, are they coming from basement labs, or from more elaborate facilities?
Mr. Pound: Anybody with a Masters degree in biochemistry and access to basic laboratory facilities, maybe. But remember, being able to alter a molecule doesn't mean it'll be safe — and the original molecules aren't safer either in sports doping. Even minor tweaks could potentially lead to unexpected and serious side effects and medical problems. You can't just make a drug and let people use it untested. It's all being done just to give a different signature in a test. The real danger, of course, is you don't know what that altered molecule and a particular dosage might do to the bodies of the athletes taking it. There have been some horrendous stories.
Consider the case of sprinter Kelly White, who was given THG in 2003, caught, and banned by the US Anti-Doping Agency. She was having a period every 2 weeks, blood pressure that was going through the roof, muscle cramps, and other problems. The people who produced it and gave it to her had no idea what the effects would be. A biochemist or pharmacologist will tell you that once you alter a drug molecule, it can change the intended physiologic interactions with receptors and systems in your body. It may have effects that are different from the original drug. You don't know what's going to happen, and athletes taking these compounds are just being made of one big dangerous and uncontrolled experiment.
Some of these people say, when problems develop, reduce the quantity and see what happens, but that's all experimentation, even small doses can wreak havoc — you don't know. Now, THG (assuming there are merely classical side effects) is known to cause liver toxicity, heart problems, extra hair growth in women, and baldness and infertility in men. It can cause changes in mood ranging from feeling really great to depression, paranoia, and aggression.
Medscape: Designer steroids and genetic manipulation, is this a sign of things to come?
Mr. Pound: These are the problems of the first part of the 21st century. When you think about it, they're in the same place some of the standard drugs were in the 20th century. But we're much more organized at identifying them and catching them. We've got some money and a system set up to do testing, along with R&D, which never existed in the sport system before. It's possible, although not easy, to turn sports back into a fair-play game.
Medscape: As an organization, WADA isn't really that old. It has come a long way in a short number of years, hasn't it?
Mr. Pound: Yes, it has come a long way. We started our first tentative operations in the spring of 2000. Now we have 33 labs around the world which perform around 180,000 tests a year. More labs are on the way, but it's a fairly rigorous process to get WADA accreditation. We can have only 2 or 3 new ones a year, and there are all kinds of labs in the queue waiting to get accreditation.
Medscape: Are there any messages you'd like to pass on to physicians?
Mr. Pound: Make sure you know your patient. Why does somebody want a nontherapeutic prescription? You are faced with the ethical decision of whether to prescribe it or not, once you know it's not for therapeutic purposes. Doctors should certainly be familiar with, and tell patients about, the health risks. If you stop using these substances soon enough, most of these effects are reversible. If you're on them too long, they're not. They have very serious long-term consequences. I think the medical profession's credo is 'First, do no harm.' Doctors know if they've stepped over the ethical line or not, and they know what's therapeutic and what's not.
Medscape: Do any specific sports stand out in your mind as having an especially serious problem with doping?
Mr. Pound: They all do, and at all levels. The bad news is that there is no sport and no country that's immune to the risk.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/544378
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when these juiced up clowns do half of what this guy did DRUG FREE i'll acknowledge them.
And don't forget how many homeruns Joe D and Mantle missed out by playing in Yankee stadium.
back in their day left center was 440ft to the fence.
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hahahahha, another shitheel who thinks Bonds is some great athlete. ::)
you are a fucking idiot
he is one of the best players ever
again, what makes you think the guys from the past wouldn't have done roids if they were widely available and being used by the competition?
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And don't forget how many homeruns Joe D and Mantle missed out by playing in Yankee stadium.
back in their day left center was 440ft to the fence.
Bonds plays in one of the biggest ballparks in MLB
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anyone stop and wonder if pitchers today are also performance enhancing???
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anyone stop and wonder if pitchers today are also performance enhancing???
Why do you think I mentioned Clemens still throwing 6-8 innings in the mid 90's at the age of 45?
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And don't forget how many homeruns Joe D and Mantle missed out by playing in Yankee stadium.
back in their day left center was 440ft to the fence.
And to the right was a wall that was barely 300ft if that... ::)
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and don't even fuccking think about comparing Bond's sorry ass to the King.
He played without having to ever face any blacks, latino's or asians. Not to mention the poor pitching back then cause guys pitched whole games and very often. He was a special guy no doubt about it but his skills can't really be transported to any other era and still be as great as he was.
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liar,,hormonized ,,and good basball player
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In his 7 years with the Pirates Bonds hit 176 homeruns
In his 14 years with the Giants Bonds hit 578 homeruns
- Thats more than triple the amount in only double the amount of time with the Giants (less time if you don't count the lockout year).
- Theoretically Bonds should only be at around 528 homeruns TOTAL right now (using his consistent numbers from his first 7 seasons, averaging 25 HR's per season)
Had he not juiced, Bonds would have gone down in baseball history as a star similar to his godfather Willie Mays, or Roberto Clemente, Reggie Jackson, Cal Ripkin... players that were consistently above average standouts, that made great contributions to their team and the sport. Instead he will go down in baseball history with a scandal like Mark Mcguire, Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson (okay not quite as bad as the last 2 since they were banned... but still names associated with scandal)
SAD PART OF WHAT YOU SAID IS THERE IS NO PROOF OF BARRY TAKING ANY DRUGS (HE HAS BEEN TESTED OVER AND OVER AND IT HAS ALWAYS COME BACK NEGATIVE). THE IGNORANT MEDIA HAS MADE CLAIMS AGAINST BARRY WHICH THE SMALL MINDED BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER!!!!!. STEROIDS DO NOT GIVE YOU OR IMPROVE YOUR SKILLS, TALENTS OR ABILITIES...SO MAKING THESE WILD CLAIMS ABOUT IMPROVING SCORES AND MORE HOME RUNS ETC ETC...IS NONSENSE. TAKING ROIDS WITHOUT TALENT, SKILL OR ABILITY IS LIKE TAKING A PILL THAT WILL MAKE OU LOSE WEIGHT WITHOUT DIETING OR EXERCISE.
Barry's skills, like any player who has been engaging in any sport for years, has improved over time and with experience. It would be ridiculous to believe that a persons home runs would remain consistently the same after playing for 21 YEARS. His first seven years with the Pirates built up his confidence and skills and the last 14 years has only made them better so his 550+ HR has been earned fair and square. The only thing at work here is JEALOUSY and ENVY which has reared this HATRED for the man... I AM SUPPORTING HIM ALL THE WAY!!!! and FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.
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He played without having to ever face any blacks, latino's or asians. Not to mention the poor pitching back then cause guys pitched whole games and very often. He was a special guy no doubt about it but his skills can't really be transported to any other era and still be as great as he was.
the 600+ ft for his blasts is BS, but a 500 ft HR is a 500 ft HR . . . doesn't matter who's pitching.
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the 600+ ft for his blasts is BS, but a 500 ft HR is a 500 ft HR . . . doesn't matter who's pitching.
Mickey Mantle hit a few that were taped at 600 plus.
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SAD PART OF WHAT YOU SAID IS THERE IS NO PROOF OF BARRY TAKING ANY DRUGS (HE HAS BEEN TESTED OVER AND OVER AND IT HAS ALWAYS COME BACK NEGATIVE). THE IGNORANT MEDIA HAS MADE CLAIMS AGAINST BARRY WHICH THE SMALL MINDED BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER!!!!!. STEROIDS DO NOT GIVE YOU OR IMPROVE YOUR SKILLS, TALENTS OR ABILITIES...SO MAKING THESE WILD CLAIMS ABOUT IMPROVING SCORES AND MORE HOME RUNS ETC ETC...IS NONSENSE. TAKING ROIDS WITHOUT TALENT, SKILL OR ABILITY IS LIKE TAKING A PILL THAT WILL MAKE OU LOSE WEIGHT WITHOUT DIETING OR EXERCISE.
When was he tested?
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http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml
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.....a rich Mother fcuker!!!
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In case you guys didn't know this but steroids DO NOT make you hit home runs. They DO NOT help you hit the ball. Bonds is a very good player offensively and defensively. He has the genetics. I do think from the added strength you get from taking the roids some of his hits went out that may not have gone out. But, that is very little. You still have to have the eye-hand cooridination and skill to hit the ball and the drugs DO NOT help that. There are all kinds of varibles that make a difference from hitting a ball today than how it was years ago. The balls when Ruth played were soft and barely round. The wood wasn't always treated. The pitchers threw slower and the fences were farther. Nowadays the balls are harder, the pitchers throw faster and the fences are shorter. A lot of varibles but no matter what Bonds is achieving something great.
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He played without having to ever face any blacks, latino's or asians.
hahahaha, how many hall of fame pitchers are you talking about ? ::) what a dumbshit
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Mickey Mantle hit a few that were taped at 600 plus.
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This should answer the longest home run question.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml)
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This should answer the longest home run question.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml)
care to look 4 or so posts up? ;D
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Nowadays the balls are harder, the pitchers throw faster and the fences are shorter
Pitchers dont throw any harder than they ever have, arm strength in most cases is something you are born with. Another dumbass, have you ever heard of Bob Feller ? No one today can hold his jock strap.
Many oldtimers will still tell you that Bob Feller (1918- ) had the fastest fastball in the baseball history. In 18 years as a pitcher for the Cleveland Indians, "Rapid Robert" amassed 2581 strikeouts as well as 266 wins and an outstanding winning percentage of .621.
After jumping straight from high school to the Major Leagues at age 17 in 1936, Feller struck out 15 St. Louis Browns in his first start, and struck out 17 batters in a game later that year.
Despite losing almost four prime years during his highly decorated service with the Navy in World War II, Feller went on to become the winningest pitcher in Indians history. He led the American League in strikeouts seven times, and paced the league in wins six times. In 1940, he went a league high 27-11 with a 2.61 ERA to capture AL Pitching Triple Crown. A lone dubious accomplishment for Feller was his major league record 208 walks in 1938.
By the time Feller ended his career at age 37 in 1956, he had crafted 12 one-hit gems and tossed three no-hitters, and had cemented his place in baseball history as one of the greatest pitchers of all time. Feller became a first ballot Hall-of-famer in 1962.
By the way, just how fast was Feller's legendary fastball? Well, the Air Force clocked its speed using an early radar gun in 1946 and decided that his best pitch of the day topped out at 109 mph. Take that as you will, but no pitcher since has been clocked higher than 103 mph.
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The funny thing is he'll be remember by many as a cheater. It's too bad, he may have broken the record naturally. MLB should have just kicked him the fuck out, another shortcutting cheeser in my book. You never saw Micky Mantle take anything, but he managed right. Fucking athletes today. Well, everyone is doing it, so I think I will too. Have some integrity, really.
At least pro athletes have some talent, behind any drug use. Where as, bodybuilders have none..hahha
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SAD PART OF WHAT YOU SAID IS THERE IS NO PROOF OF BARRY TAKING ANY DRUGS (HE HAS BEEN TESTED OVER AND OVER AND IT HAS ALWAYS COME BACK NEGATIVE). THE IGNORANT MEDIA HAS MADE CLAIMS AGAINST BARRY WHICH THE SMALL MINDED BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER!!!!!. STEROIDS DO NOT GIVE YOU OR IMPROVE YOUR SKILLS, TALENTS OR ABILITIES...SO MAKING THESE WILD CLAIMS ABOUT IMPROVING SCORES AND MORE HOME RUNS ETC ETC...IS NONSENSE. TAKING ROIDS WITHOUT TALENT, SKILL OR ABILITY IS LIKE TAKING A PILL THAT WILL MAKE OU LOSE WEIGHT WITHOUT DIETING OR EXERCISE.
Barry's skills, like any player who has been engaging in any sport for years, has improved over time and with experience. It would be ridiculous to believe that a persons home runs would remain consistently the same after playing for 21 YEARS. His first seven years with the Pirates built up his confidence and skills and the last 14 years has only made them better so his 550+ HR has been earned fair and square. The only thing at work here is JEALOUSY and ENVY which has reared this HATRED for the man... I AM SUPPORTING HIM ALL THE WAY!!!! and FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.
Agree with most of what you said, but Bonds did admit to taking the "Cream" and the "Clear" which are both anabolic steroids. His defense is that he was unaware that what he was taking was actually steroids.
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Agree with most of what you said, but Bonds did admit to taking the "Cream" and the "Clear" which are both anabolic steroids. His defense is that he was unaware that what he was taking was actually steroids.
He claimed it was flax seed oil. ;D
He gave it to Shefield too.
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he transformation that Barry Bonds achieved through the use of
performance-enhancing drugs is reflected in his batting statistics.
Bonds began using steroids before the start of the 1999 season, when
he was 34 years old. His numbers, as compiled by baseball-reference.com,
show that his performance improved dramatically at a time when otherwise
he might have been approaching the end of his career.
Of the five best offensive seasons in Bonds' career, four came after
he was 35 years old - and after 1999, the year he began using steroids.
The historic 2001 season, when he was 36 years old (his age as of
Opening Day), was the best of all - .328 batting average, 73 home runs,
an on-base percentage of .515. But 2002, when he was 37 (.370, 46 HR)
and 2004, when he was 39, (.362, 45 HR) also were excellent seasons for
Bonds, and 2003, when he was 38, was not far off the mark.
In fact, of Bonds' five best seasons, only one came in what is usually
considered a baseball player's prime. That was 1993, before steroids,
when Bonds was 28 years old and playing his first season for the Giants.
Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG
2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 .863
2002 37 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 198 47 .370 .582 .799
2004 39 373 129 135 27 3 45 101 232 41 .362 .609 .812
1993 28 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 126 79 .336 .458 .677
2003 38 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 148 58 .341 .529 .749
Bonds' home run production also increased after he began using steroids.
In his 19-year career (through 2004), Bonds hit 45 or more home runs in
six seasons. Five of those seasons were after 1999 - after age 35, and
after he had begun using performance-enhancing drugs.
Year Age HR
2001 36 73
2000 35 49
2002 37 46
1993 28 46
2004 39 45
2003 38 45
Another measure of Bonds' power surge is home run frequency - the number
of at-bats it took him, on average, to hit each home run. Over the first
13 years of his career - that is, before steroids - he hit a home run
every 16.2 at-bats. His most productive year during that period was 1994,
when he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. (Bonds played in 112 of the
Giants' 115 games in 1994, the season that ended in a lockout. He hit 37
home runs in 391 at-bats.)
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he transformation that Barry Bonds achieved through the use of
performance-enhancing drugs is reflected in his batting statistics.
Bonds began using steroids before the start of the 1999 season, when
he was 34 years old. His numbers, as compiled by baseball-reference.com,
show that his performance improved dramatically at a time when otherwise
he might have been approaching the end of his career.
Of the five best offensive seasons in Bonds' career, four came after
he was 35 years old - and after 1999, the year he began using steroids.
The historic 2001 season, when he was 36 years old (his age as of
Opening Day), was the best of all - .328 batting average, 73 home runs,
an on-base percentage of .515. But 2002, when he was 37 (.370, 46 HR)
and 2004, when he was 39, (.362, 45 HR) also were excellent seasons for
Bonds, and 2003, when he was 38, was not far off the mark.
In fact, of Bonds' five best seasons, only one came in what is usually
considered a baseball player's prime. That was 1993, before steroids,
when Bonds was 28 years old and playing his first season for the Giants.
Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG
2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 .863
2002 37 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 198 47 .370 .582 .799
2004 39 373 129 135 27 3 45 101 232 41 .362 .609 .812
1993 28 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 126 79 .336 .458 .677
2003 38 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 148 58 .341 .529 .749
Bonds' home run production also increased after he began using steroids.
In his 19-year career (through 2004), Bonds hit 45 or more home runs in
six seasons. Five of those seasons were after 1999 - after age 35, and
after he had begun using performance-enhancing drugs.
Year Age HR
2001 36 73
2000 35 49
2002 37 46
1993 28 46
2004 39 45
2003 38 45
Another measure of Bonds' power surge is home run frequency - the number
of at-bats it took him, on average, to hit each home run. Over the first
13 years of his career - that is, before steroids - he hit a home run
every 16.2 at-bats. His most productive year during that period was 1994,
when he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. (Bonds played in 112 of the
Giants' 115 games in 1994, the season that ended in a lockout. He hit 37
home runs in 391 at-bats.)
What didn't you understand about my post earlier, in the 80's threw to the mid 90's only 1-2 ocassionally 3 people would ever hit more then 40 in a year. These days you have about a dozen guys each year hitting that many. And once again don't forget he was a 3 time MVP before all this steroid bull.
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yet more misinfo from the media
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070805/COL01/70805001&imw=Y
MITCH ALBOM
755! But feat will become farce
August 5, 2007
BY MITCH ALBOM
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
Our long national nightmare is almost over.
San Francisco slugger Barry Bonds hit a home run in the second inning of the Giants-San Diego Padres game Saturday night, tying him with Hank Aaron for the all-time lead. One more, and Bonds would own the record by himself. And then he can disappear to the other side of the mountain, waving his bat like a baton as he leads the most joyless parade in baseball history.
Before he does, we should thank the man for teaching us something. He has taught us that making history will not change your own. This record does not absolve Bonds. It does not wash him clean. Whatever he has done, he has done, and if you are convinced, as I am, that a good number of his homers were hit while he was artificially powered and bulked up from steroids, then nothing changes except the math. He can have 755. He can have 900. Who cares?
He is not a hero. He is not worth a one-handed clap. Let him do his own cheering, his own waving, his own falsely humble speeches. Bonds seems to matter most in his own mind anyhow. Let him live there as a record holder. The outside world is entitled to its doubts.
And they will never go away. Has there ever been a moment this confused in baseball? What should have been a coronation became a torch passed with noses held. What should have been a glorious countdown has been a March of Dread.
Even as that ball flew over the wall on a 2-1 pitch Saturday night, there were more knots in stomachs than lumps in throats.
Just look at the evidence
Now perhaps you are one who says, “Leave Barry alone.” Perhaps you say, “He’s the record holder; show him respect.” Perhaps, because Bonds has never failed a steroids test (although we don’t know how many he has taken), you wish to give him the benefit of the doubt.
That’s fine. That is your right.
But know what you choose to ignore.
You choose to ignore numerous published reports -- including a book that took two years of research and hundreds of interviews -- that claim Bonds used steroids for years, including stanozolol, the same drug that got Ben Johnson tossed from the Olympics, testosterone decanoate, insulin, human growth hormone, and even trenbolone, which is more often used with cattle.
You choose to ignore claims that Bonds took up to 20 pills a day and injected himself with his drugs.
You choose to ignore the undeniable change in Bonds’ appearance, the thickened arm, shoulder and neck muscles. You choose to ignore his enlarged head, even though normal human adults almost never see their head size grow (unless they are taking steroids).
You choose to ignore the mind-boggling fact that, for his first 13 seasons, Bonds averaged 32 home runs and a .290 batting average, but, beginning when he was 34 -- an age that foreshadows retirement for many ballplayers -- Bonds somehow averaged 49 home runs and a .329 average for the next six seasons.
You choose to ignore that Bonds, who, in his 20s, never hit more than 46 home runs a year, suddenly, when he was 37, hit 73 in one season.
You choose to ignore that the man who allegedly supplied Bonds with all this stuff pleaded guilty to steroid distribution and went to jail, that Bonds’ former mistress has made claims about his steroid use, that the Tigers’ Gary Sheffield, who trained with Bonds, admitted using the so-called cream and clear substances -- two alleged designer steroids distributed by BALCO labs -- before bolting the program.
You choose to ignore the common-sense argument that players don’t suddenly become more powerful and more productive as they approach 40.
I don’t choose to ignore that much. And because I can’t ignore that much, I have to ignore his record.
Records can be ignored
Now despite all the hand-wringing, this is nothing new. Sports records have existed that people question or doubt, even some at which they flat-out laugh.
Baseball has its share of this. In the 1930s and 1940s, all kinds of records were set, but many believe that had black players been allowed to play the game, those records would belong to other men -- men named Josh Gibson or Satchel Paige.
For years, fans -- and even a baseball commissioner -- didn’t fully recognize Roger Maris’ 61 home runs as the best single-season mark, because Maris’ schedule was eight games longer than Babe Ruth’s.
And today, many feel Maris’ mark is more credible than that of Mark McGwire, who broke it with 70 -- but might have been juiced -- or Bonds, who broke that mark with 73.
Look no further than that to see how easily what Bonds did last night can be ignored. We have hardly celebrated Bonds’ achievement of 2001. So darkened is that mark by the shadows of steroids that you almost forget he holds it.
The same might happen with this all-time home run mark. Bonds puts it in his pocket, but that no more means he owns it than the thief owns a stolen watch.
One more dinger to go, and this farce will be over. If there were justice, if people told the truth, if steroids had not haunted baseball, then Bonds would have been shy of Aaron, and Saturday night would not have happened. But there is not always justice. There is not always truth. Bonds will trot around the bases and will, one day soon, march off into his own tainted horizon. Shed no tears when his parade passes you by.
GH, not roids, causes such growth
also, why is that people don't talk about the fact that Aaron hit the most HRs in his career (for a 4-yr stretch) between ages 35-39? (don't believe me? http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml)
Also, why is that Lance Armstrong is celebrated? or that Roger Clemens is not discussed in the same light as Bonds?
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The Bonds incident involved Ron Kittle and a meeting Kittle didn’t enjoy with Bonds at Chicago’s Wrigley Field in 1993. Kittle hoped to auction a signed Barry Bonds jersey at a golf event, with the proceeds being given to a children’s charity. Kittle has written a book, “Ron Kittle's Tales from the White Sox Dugout” and included Bonds reaction to being asked to autograph a jersey which would benefit needy children.
"I paid about $110 of my own money for them, so they could be auctioned off at the golf outing. I did that all the time for stars like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Derek Jeter and Roger Clemens. When I tell them how their autographs help the cause, every player gladly signs — with one exception.
I walked up to Bonds at his locker in the Wrigley Field visitors' clubhouse, introduced myself and said, "Barry, if you sign these, they'll bring in a lot of money for kids who need help."
Bonds stood up, looked me in the eye and said, "I don't sign for white people." If lightning hits me today, I will swear those were his exact words. Matt Williams and other Giants were in the room and they heard what Bonds said.
I stood there for a minute, and the veins in my neck were popping. I've only been that mad a few times in my life. I was going to beat the (heck) out of him, really kick his (butt), but Williams saw what was happening, so he came over and got between us. Matt said, "Ron, that's just the way he is."
I said, "White guys aren't the only ones who get cancer," but Bonds had turned his back on me and walked out of the clubhouse. Somebody must have run in and alerted Dusty Baker, who was the manager of the Giants then.”
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ignorant black
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170 pound blown up CHEATER ......what a fraudulent piece of shit.
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170 pound blown up CHEATER ......what a fraudulent piece of shit.
he may be an asshole, but he is the best baseball player of the era. he was an mvp 3 times over before he ever took roids. also, he has one of the best eyes for pitches in the history of the game. the guy has been walked over 2500 times
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check his stats, his HR to AB ratio DOUBLED after he began juicing and using GH, His 5 best seasons began afdter age 35, after being on Drugs.
Very good player, naturally skinny who would never, ever sniff the HR record without DRUGS
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check his stats, his HR to AB ratio DOUBLED after he began juicing and using GH, His 5 best seasons began afdter age 35, after being on Drugs.
Very good player, naturally skinny who would never, ever sniff the HR record without DRUGS
again, he was a great player before that as well
again, hank aaron hit a ton of homers between 35-39 yrs old
again, bonds is probably a big asshole. however, he is still the best player of the era.
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i just checked the stats, only 1 of Hank Aarons 6 best seasons came after age 35, like almost all ball players.
As opposed to Bonds, who "miraculously" had 5 of his 6 best seasons after getting on roids and GH-AFTER the age of 35. So you are full of shit Willie. ::)
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i just checked the stats, only 1 of Hank Aarons 6 best seasons came after age 35, like almost all ball players.
As opposed to Bonds, who "miraculously" had 5 of his 6 best seasons after getting on roids and GH-AFTER the age of 35. So you are full of shit Willie. ::)
ARod is juiced!
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i just checked the stats, only 1 of Hank Aarons 6 best seasons came after age 35, like almost all ball players.
As opposed to Bonds, who "miraculously" had 5 of his 6 best seasons after getting on roids and GH-AFTER the age of 35. So you are full of shit Willie. ::)
what are you talking about? If you look at those stats for Aaron, it shows that in the 4 yr stretch from 35-39 yrs old, Aaron hit more HRs in that stretch than any other 4 yr time frame in his career
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just what i said shit bird, out of his 6 best seasons, 5 did not come after the age of 35. ::)
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ARod is juiced!
And you know this how exactly?
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The Coach is better than arod and bonds.
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In case you guys didn't know this but steroids DO NOT make you hit home runs. They DO NOT help you hit the ball. Bonds is a very good player offensively and defensively. He has the genetics. I do think from the added strength you get from taking the roids some of his hits went out that may not have gone out. But, that is very little. You still have to have the eye-hand cooridination and skill to hit the ball and the drugs DO NOT help that. There are all kinds of varibles that make a difference from hitting a ball today than how it was years ago. A lot of varibles but no matter what Bonds is achieving something great.
No actually, they increase bat speed, reflexes, explosiveness, power, durability and ability to sustain intensity and increase HRs. Guys like McGuire, Bonds and Canseco could muscle baseballs out of the park in ways that weren't seen nearly as much. Canseco said that about as clearly as he could.
They also sustain higher levels of ability well beyond the usual drop-off points in a career.
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You take a little guy like Brady Anderson, he bulks up on juice and goes from what ?11 homeruns batting leadoff to 51 in one season, ::)
Bonds put on about 60-70 pounds after he started Roids and GH, his shoe size went from a 10 to a 13. Hes a fraud.
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Bonds ties Aaron's home-run record* but doubts persist
When Barry Bonds dispatched his 755th home run in San Diego's Petco Park on Saturday night, Bud Selig rose to his feet. With the milestone greeted by far more cheers than jeers, the baseball commissioner kept his hands in his pockets and wore a studiously neutral expression as he watched the 43-year-old San Francisco Giant trot around the bases to equal Hank Aaron's hallowed home-run record.
By the time Bonds was locked in a celebratory embrace with his 17-year-old son, Nikolai - a team batboy - at home plate, the commissioner looked like he would rather be anywhere else in the world.
His discomfiture was fitting. For more than a decade Selig presided over the last major sport to refuse to introduce drug-testing, and the game where statistics have always been sacrosanct is now paying a hefty price. As Bonds tipped his cap to the crowd, there were enough fans hoisting aloft asterisk signs to remind everybody that his achievement will always be tainted by suspicion. Whether or not baseball ever places that symbol next to his entry in the record books, the period from 1993 to 2004 is regarded unofficially by many as "the steroid era".
"Out of respect for the tradition of the game, the magnitude of the record and the fact that all citizens in this country are innocent until proven guilty," said Selig in a statement, "either I or a representative of my office will attend the next few games and make every attempt to observe the breaking of the record."
Having caved into pressure and traipsed across the United States to attend nine of the Giants' past 15 games, Selig saw Bonds draw level with Aaron off a fastball from the San Diego Padres' Clay Hensley. There was a delicious irony to that. The player who many believe hit more than 300 of those home runs with the assistance of performance-enhancing substances sent one out of the park off a pitcher who had once served a paltry 15-game suspension for steroid use.
"It's the hardest thing I've had to do in my entire career," said Bonds afterwards. "I had rashes on my head; I felt like I was getting sick at times."
Aaron, who endured terrible racial abuse on his way to dethroning Babe Ruth as home-run king back in 1974, has deliberately absented himself from the Bonds soap opera. He pointedly refused to follow baseball protocol by trying to be present when his record was equalled. "I am making a comment," Aaron said this week when quizzed yet again on the issue, "by not making a comment."
It is telling that at a memorabilia auction in Cleveland on Friday night a signed Aaron jersey fetched $40,000 (£20,000) whereas Bonds' 70th home-run ball from his 2001 season went for only $14,400, a third of what it was once worth.
How much ball No755 sells for may depend on the work of a grand jury investigating whether to bring a perjury charge against Bonds arising from the Balco affair. When its remit was extended for a further six months back in July, that decision meant at least one person was missing from Bonds' entourage. His personal trainer, Greg Anderson, has been an inmate of the Federal Correction Institution in Dublin, California, since November because of his refusal to answer the grand jury's questions about his boyhood friend.
According to Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams' book Game of Shadows, between 1998 and 2004 Anderson supplied Bonds with a cocktail including human growth hormone, erythropoietin, nandrolone, Clomid (a fertility drug for women), stanozolol, trenbolone (used to build muscle in cattle) and a pair of designer steroids from the Balco laboratory. Bonds' contention is that he never knowingly took steroids, claiming that he thought he was taking flaxseed oil when in fact it was the synthetic steroid THG.
Although Bonds has not sued the authors of the book, its impact can perhaps be gauged by his decision to miss yesterday's final game of the series against the Padres. The official story was that he needed a rest but others allege he wanted to ensure he breaks the record in a Giants home game and asterisk-free zone this week.
Hours before No755, the New York Yankees' Alex Rodriguez became the youngest player to hit 500 home runs. Throughout Bonds' pursuit of Aaron, purists have consoled themselves with the thought that it should be only a matter of time before Rodriguez surpasses him. Previously regarded as above reproach, even he may yet be tarnished. Last week the former Yankee José Canseco hinted that his new book would expose Rodriguez as a hypocrite over steroids. Rodriguez has refused to comment on the allegation. The last time Canseco made claims about drug use, people laughed at him but a lot of what he said ended up ringing true. Nobody is laughing now.
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just what i said shit bird, out of his 6 best seasons, 5 did not come after the age of 35. ::)
seems to me aaron's performance didn't drop off until after he was 40
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[quote author=SirTraps link=topic=160974.msg2279476#msg2279476 date=118637070
Bonds put on about 60-70 pounds after he started Roids and GH, his shoe size went from a 10 to a 13. Hes a fraud.
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so, why was we have the best player in baseball before the time frame of his steroid use?
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The greatest offensive player that ever lived. He might be juicing but so are the pitchers and that makes it an even playing field.
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The greatest offensive player that ever lived. He might be juicing but so are the pitchers and that makes it an even playing field.
hahahhaa, bullshit, Bonds couldn't carry Mantle, Mays, Ted Williams jocks.
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The greatest offensive player that ever lived. He might be juicing but so are the pitchers and that makes it an even playing field.
BS
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hahahhaa, bullshit, Bonds couldn't carry Mantle, Mays, Ted Williams jocks.
how does it feel that blacks has taken over every sport. haha yes how you like them apples ;D
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how does it feel that blacks has taken over every sport. haha yes how you like them apples ;D
greatest baseball player ever-Babe Ruth
greatest football player ever-Joe Montana
the only sport where you can claim the best ever is basketball and Michael Jordan, otherwise white athletes rule.
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Some of the fans at recent Bonds' games were holding up signs showing only an asterisk. ;D
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greatest baseball player ever-Babe Ruth
greatest football player ever-Joe Montana
the only sport where you can claim the best ever is basketball and Michael Jordan, otherwise white athletes rule.
Hank Aaron is better than Babe Ruth. Joe Montana? Do you even watch football? You got to be kidding me. Football, Basketball, Baseball, Tennis, Golf....the list goes on squad. I forgot Hockey. A lot of the moves you see in hockey today was started by the black Canadian hockey team many years ago.
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Hank Aaron is better than Babe Ruth. Joe Montana? Do you even watch football? You got to be kidding me. Football, Basketball, Baseball, Tennis, Golf....the list goes on squad. I forgot Hockey. A lot of the moves you see in hockey today was started by the black Canadian hockey team many years ago.
best Tennis Player ever-Pete Sampras
best Golfer ever-Jack Nicklaus
best Hockey player ever-Wayne Gretzky
All White
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best Tennis Player ever-Pete Sampras
best Golfer ever-Jack Nicklaus
best Hockey player ever-Wayne Gretzky
All White
lol its going to be okay squad.
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Hank Aaron is better than Babe Ruth. Joe Montana? Do you even watch football? You got to be kidding me. Football, Basketball, Baseball, Tennis, Golf....the list goes on squad. I forgot Hockey. A lot of the moves you see in hockey today was started by the black Canadian hockey team many years ago.
Everyone knows Ruth was better than Aaron. Montana was one of about 10 guys who were the best in football, including Jim Brown & Jerry Rice.
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Everyone knows Ruth was better than Aaron. Montana was one of about 10 guys who were the best in football, including Jim Brown & Jerry Rice.
No everyone dont know ruth was better than aaron. "pumpster" ::)