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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Topic started by: knny187 on October 20, 2006, 03:05:37 PM
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Two good youtube clips...
Onlyme....any good stories of Lyle?
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Onlyme....ever run into Ben Davidson?
I saw him on that one clip & just thought of him.
Some people might recognize Ben also from the Movie Conan The Barbarian opposite Arnold
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I preferred the 'Tooz - just as much of a character but funny, not annoying & manic like Alzado.
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Two good youtube clips...
Onlyme....any good stories of Lyle?
When the Raiders moved to Manhattan Beach Lyle lived about 8 or so house down the street. I never really talked to him but we waved at each other when driving by. He had bought Rolls Royce and had it painted a special blue just like my friend Dexter had. He went jogging one time up in PV and had it stolen. Cause only two Rolls in all of LA was painted this color my friend got pulled over almost everyday. He did (along with all the other Raiders) came into the club I worked at tequilla WIllies. The Raider players all had accounts for free food at the restaurant across the street (Saucelito South). I never saw him in the gym cause I went to World and he went to Gold's. When I first joined World in 79 I remember seeing this big dude and thought it was John Matuszak. I went back home and told everyone how big he was. it ended up being Tony Nowak. Matt Millen was a bigthick dude. I used to see Howie Long almost everynight out. He came uptome one night at a club and said I was the craziest guy he had ever met. I took it as a compliment.
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everyone thinks he died of brain cancer, he died of aids it was a known fact by those in the nfl that he was gay and used to train with his bf in l.a.
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everyone thinks he died of brain cancer, he died of aids it was a known fact by those in the nfl that he was gay and used to train with his bf in l.a.
I've heard that Rumour....& in my mind I keep it as a Rumour because I just can't imagine Lyle being gay.
If it is.....or was true....so be it. Just to damn weird to imagine.
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"i dont think theres anyone on this earth that can kick my ass" -hahah what a great line.
is it true he beat up both barbarian brothers one time?
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"i dont think theres anyone on this earth that can kick my ass" -hahah what a great line.
is it true he beat up both barbarian brothers one time?
No,not true,they were friends,it's just rumours.
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The "fight" was a three minute wrestling match between Lyle & David. That's it... that's all. That information came from David Paul himself, a few days ago. Sorry. I enjoy more violence myself...
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everyone thinks he died of brain cancer, he died of aids it was a known fact by those in the nfl that he was gay and used to train with his bf in l.a.
Thats disturbing. Never knew, always thought he was a mans man. Well, I suppose he was...
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I didn't want to break the new's but I've heard for years Alzado was AC/DC and had contacted AID's later in life. Three of my relatives had (one still is) been connected with the NFL as players. Common knowledge among them. Guess Alzado really was a man's man. Rough trade I've heard. Too bad, thing are never really what they seem. Or want to be seen as. Good Luck.
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I've heard that Rumour....& in my mind I keep it as a Rumour because I just can't imagine Lyle being gay.
If it is.....or was true....so be it. Just to damn weird to imagine.
I read ( in several online articles ) that Lyle hung out with Don " the ripper " Ross. They were into a hard rec drug and anything goes sex thing with the Gold's crowd.
The beef
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Here is an interview I got off the net about 6 years ago that talks about Alzado and Arnold as well. Fans of both may not want to read this interview, I don't know if any of it's true but it wouldn't surprise me.......
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INTERVIEW WITH DEEP INJECTION
THE FOLLOWING IS AN ANONYMOUS INTERVIEW WITH A MAN WHO WILL GO BY THE NAME OF DEEP INJECTION. NOW DEEP INJECTION HAS BEEN IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BODYBUILDING SCENE SINCE 1979 AND HE HAS SEEN IT ALL IN TERMS OF THE FUCKED UP THINGS THAT BODYBUILDERS DO IN THEIR QUEST TO LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.
DEEP INJECTION STARTED OUT IN THE LATE 70'S TRAINING WITH PEOPLE SUCH AS ARTHUR JONES, CASEY VIATOR, MIKE MENTZER, RAY MENTZER, AND OTHER TOP BODYBUILDERS OF THAT TIME. ON A SIDE NOTE HE HAS TOLD ME THAT MIKE MENTZER IN THE LATE 70'S AND EARLY 80'S WAS AT THE PINNACLE IN TERMS OF TRAINING KNOWLEDGE AND THAT HIS ORIGINAL THEORIES HELPED HIM PUT ON OVER 30 POUNDS OF LEAN MUSCLE BEFORE EVER TOUCHING ANY STEROIDS. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH HE HAS TOLD ME ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THAT MIKE MENTZER USED LESS GEAR THAN YOUR AVERAGE STATE LEVEL FITNESS MODEL AND THAT HAD MENTZER DONE BACK THEN WHAT IS DONE TODAY IN TERMS OF PHARMACOLOGY, THE WORLD OF BODYBUILDING WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THE SAME. MENTZER HIMSELF STATES THAT WHILE THAT MAY BE TRUE, THE BODYBUILDING WORLD HAS NEVER SCENE A BETTER OR MORE GENETICALLY GIFTED BODYBUILDER THAN THE GREAT SERGIO OLIVIA AND IF HE WERE IN HIS PRIME TODAY HE WOULD BE A SYMMETRICAL 280LB. FREAK OF NATURE THAT WOULD MAKE NASSER LOOK SMALL
BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS INTERVIEW IS ABOUT. DEEP INJECTION WAS ASKED SPECIFICALLY TO BLOW THE ROOF OFF THE REALITY OF THE UNDERWORLD OF BODYBUILDING AND THE RUMORS THAT EXIST IN IT. WHEN I PRESSED PLAY ON THE TAPE RECORDED, HE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE GREATEST LIES EVER FED TO (AND BELIEVED BY) THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. THE DEATH OF LYLE ALZADO.
*NOTE THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY "DEEP INJECTION" ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE VIEWS OF NUCLEAR NUTRITION. WE CAN NEITHER CONFIRM NOR DENY THE STATEMENTS HE MAKES IN THIS INTERVIEW. WE ARE SIMPLY PROVIDING A FORUM FOR EXPRESSION.
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO LYLE ALZADO? DID HE REALLY DIE OF MASSIVE GH AND STEROID ABUSE AS HE TOLD EVERYONE BEFORE HIS DEATH?
IN ALL HONESTY, I AM STILL FASCINATED THAT IN TODAY'S TABLOID VULTURISTIC WORLD, IN WHICH DIRT AND THE TRUTH IS DUG UP ABOUT EVERYONE RIGHT DOWN TO WHEN THE FIRST TIME A GUY JERKED OFF, THAT NOBODY DISPUTED ALZADO'S CLAIMS AND TOOK A PEEK INTO HIS VERY WELL KNOWN (AT LEAST IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BODYBUILDING AREA) PERSONAL LIFE. THE COLD HARD FACTS ARE THAT ALZADO SWUNG BOTH WAYS AND HAD A PENCHANT FOR YOUNG HOMOSEXUALS.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!! ALZADO A HOMOSEXUAL?
OK, YOU'RE ORIGINALLY FROM NEW YORK SO IT MIGHT BE NEWS TO YOU, BUT AROUND THESE PARTS IT WAS QUITE COMMON KNOWLEDGE. HOW IN THE FUCK HE WAS ABLE TO KEEP IT FROM THE MEDIA IS ANYONE'S GUESS. THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS THAT AL DAVIS (OWNER OF THE RAIDERS WHO WAS VERY CLOSE TO LYLE) MADE SURE THE TRUTH WAS BURIED AND NEVER SURFACED. THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO JOHN MATUSAK. HE WAS ALSO KNOWN TO DABBLE IN SINS OF THE FLESH WITH OTHER MEN AND YET WHEN HE DIED NOBODY SAID ANYTHING. ANYWAY BACK TO ALZADO. I REMEMBER WATCHING LARRY KING LIVE AND SEEING LYLE ON T.V. WITH A RAG ON HIS HEAD TO COVER HIS LACK OF HAIR, TELLING EVERYONE THAT GROWTH HORMONE AND STEROIDS KILLED HIS IMMUNE SYSTEM. AT THAT POINT THE RED LIGHT WENT OFF IN MY HEAD. I SAID TO MYSELF WAIT A MINUTE. GROWTH HORMONE AND STEROIDS ARE GIVEN TO PEOPLE WITH BLOWN OR DAMAGED IMMUNE SYSTEMS TO HELP KEEP THEM STRONG SO THEY CAN FIGHT DISEASE AND INFECTION. SO IF ANYTHING, LYLE'S USE OF ANABOLICS AND GH WOULD HAVE HELPED HIS DAMAGED IMMUNE SYSTEM. THEY CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE HURT IT. THEN HE WENT ON TO EXPLAIN THAT HE HAD CANCER OF THE BRAIN. NOT A BRAIN TUMOR MIND YOU, BUT ACTUAL CANCER OF THE BRAIN. THIS IS WHAT RESULTS FROM CARPI-SARCOMA WHEN YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS SHOT WHICH AS ANYONE WITH EVEN SLIGHT MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE KNOWS CAN ONLY BE CAUSE FROM HAVING AIDS.
YOU MEAN HE FUCKING DIED OF AIDS!!
YES, BUT LET ME GET BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. ANYWAY, AFTER SEEING THE INTERVIEW ON LARRY KING I KNEW SOMETHING WAS NOT RIGHT SO I VISITED A FRIEND OF MINE (A LEGEND IN THE SPORT OF BODYBUILDING THAT WAS A TOP MR. UNIVERSE WINNER AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN MR. OLYMPIA HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR A CERTAIN FAMOUS COMPETITOR FIXING THE CONTEST) I TOLD HIM THAT I THOUGHT LYLE HAD AIDS AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID: "OH, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT LYLE WAS BI-SEXUAL?"
AND WHAT DID YOU SAY?
I WAS FUCKING SHOCKED. I SAID "OF COURSE I DID NOT KNOW LYLE WAS BI-SEXUAL, ARE YOU SERIOUS?? NEXT YOUR GONNA TELL ME THAT CLINT EASTWOOD IS BI-SEXUAL" ANYWAY, MY FRIEND WENT ON TO TELL ME THAT LYLE HAD A GAY CLUB IN HOLLYWOOD THAT HE OWNED AND THAT ONE OF HIS CLIENTS WAS LYLE'S LOVER. MUCH THE SAME WAY THE WHOLE HOLLYWOOD COMMUNITY KNEW THAT ROCK HUDSON WAS GAY BUT KEPT IT SECRET, IT WAS KNOWN IN THE WEST HOLLYWOOD COMMUNITY THAT LYLE LIKED BOYS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW HOW LYLE FOUND OUT HE KNEW HE HAD AIDS?
LAY IT ON ME.
WHEN HE WAS MAKING HIS COMEBACK TO THE RAIDERS IN 1989-90 (WHICH IF YOU REMEMBER WAS BEING CHRONICLED BY MARIA SCHRIVER AND NBC NEWS) IT WAS REQUIRED THAT HE TAKE A MANDATORY AIDS TEST BEFORE HE COULD JOIN THE TEAM AND GUESS WHAT? HE HAD AIDS! SO HE QUIETLY ENDED HIS COMEBACK ATTEMPT.
THIS IS AMAZING, BUT THE THING THAT PUZZLES ME IS WHY HE WOULD TURN AROUND AND SAY IT WAS STEROIDS THAT WERE KILLING HIM. EVEN GOING SO FAR AS TO CAMPAIGN AGAINST THEIR USE. CHRIST HIM AND BEN JOHNSON ARE THE WHOLE FUCKING REASON STEROIDS BECAME ILLEGAL TO POSSES BACK IN 1990!
WELL, AFTER HE STOPPED HIS COMEBACK AND HE FOUND OUT HE HAD AIDS, RUMORS WERE STARTING TO CIRCULATE ABOUT HIS LIFESTYLE AND PAST. SO TO SAVE FACE HE DECIDED TO GO ON THE OFFENSIVE AND BLAME STEROIDS AND GH. AND YES, JUST LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, LYLE ALZADO'S LYING AND THE WHOLE BEN JOHNSON AFFAIR SET THE USE OF PRESCRIPTION STEROIDS BACK 10 YEARS AND PROMPTED CONGRESS TO MAKE THEM ILLEGAL TO EVEN POSSES. JUST NOW WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE A MORE REALISTIC APPROACH AND ATTITUDE TOWARD STEROIDS. AND DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE OF THE AIDS POPULATION. THAT'S RIGHT, THE VERY DRUGS THAT ALZADO CLAIMED KILLED HIM ARE USED TODAY TO ALLOW PEOPLE WITH FULL BLOWN AIDS TO LIVE A TOTALLY FUCKING NORMAL AND HEALTHY EXISTENCE. TAKE A LOOK AT MAGIC JOHNSON.
YOU KNOW WHAT, TO ME THAT IS FUCKING DESPICABLE ON ALZADO'S PART IF THIS IS TRUE. JUST BECAUSE HE COULDN'T DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT HE LIKED MEN MEANT THAT HE HAD MAKE STEROIDS AND GH THE SCAPEGOAT. AND ALL THAT DID WAS CAUSE THOUSANDS OF AIDS PATIENCE WHO COULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM THEIR USE AND EVEN SAVED THEIR LIVES TO DIE. BECAUSE WITH THE PASSING OF THAT LAW BACK IN 1990, STEROIDS WERE NOT EVEN REMOTELY CONSIDERED AS WEAPONS IN THE WAR ON AIDS AND DOCTORS WERE AFRAID TO PRESCRIBE THEM BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEGATIVE PRESS.
THIS IS TRUE. HE WAS A VERY CONFLICTED PERSON. ALL OF HIS EX-WIVES WENT ON TO STATE THAT HE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM WHEN THEY WERE TOGETHER WHICH TO ME SHOWS THAT HE COULD NOT DEAL WITH HIS OWN SEXUALITY SO HE LASHED OUT IN VIOLENT WAYS. KINDA SAD.
I'M STILL BLOWN AWAY. I JUST CAN'T PICTURE HIM SCREWING ANOTHER MAN. HE WAS SUCH A TOUGH SON OF BITCH. YOU KNOW HE WAS FROM LONG ISLAND AS WELL, AND MY FATHER (WHO WAS A POLICE CHIEF) ARRESTED LYLE AND HIS FATHER WHEN LYLE WAS A KID. HE WAS BASICALLY KNOWN AS A TROUBLE-MAKING STREET FIGHTER. DEFINITELY NOT SOMEONE YOU WOULD WANT TO CALL A "FAG".
YOU AIN'T KIDDING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR A FUNNY STORY ABOUT LYLE AND THE BARBARIAN BROTHERS.
SURE!
WELL THE BARBARIAN BROTHERS WERE RENTING AN APARTMENT THAT LYLE OWNED. ANYWAY, ONE DAY LYLE COMES INTO GOLD'S LOOKING TO SPEAK WITH THE BARBARIAN BROTHERS (WHO AT THE TIME WERE AT THE PEAK OF THEIR POPULARITY AND ABOUT 250LBS. EACH). APPARENTLY THE BARBARIANS WERE NOT KEEPING THE APARTMENT IN VERY GOOD CONDITION AND LIKE ANY LANDLORD, LYLE WAS PISSED. HE TOLD THEM THAT THEY HAD BETTER CLEAN THE FUCKING PLACE UP AND TREAT IT WITH RESPECT OR THERE WOULD BE PROBLEMS. THE TWO KNUCKLE-HEADED BARBARIANS (APPARENTLY BELIEVING THEIR OWN HYPE..OR THEY JUST DRANK TOO MUCH OF THEIR OWN BATH WATER) TELL LYLE TO FUCK OFF AND ASK HE WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT. LYLE TELLS THE TWO OF THE TO GET OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND CHALLENGES THEM TO A FIGHT. THE BROTHERS FIGURE THE TWO OF THEM CAN KICK THE SHIT OUT OF LYLE SO THEY OBLIGED HIM. LONG STORY SHORT, I PULL UP TO GOLD'S 2 MINUTES AFTER THE FIGHT WAS OVER TO WITNESS ONE BARBARIAN BROTHER HOLDING HIS BALLS ON THE GROUND AND THE OTHER ONE KNOCKED OUT COLD. THE FIGHT (IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT) LASTED A FUCKING MINUTE. LYLE KICKED THE SHIT OUT OF THE TWO OF THEM LIKE HE WAS DRINKING A CUP OF TEA.....NO EFFORT!
THAT IS PRETTY FUNNY......BUT JUDGING BY THE FACT THAT THOSE TWO IDIOT'S ARE STILL DRESSING LIKE IT'S 1982 AND ARE TOTALLY IN LOVE WITH THEMSELVES...HAIR PLUGS, WIGS AND ALL.....I'M SURE THEY DESERVED IT.
O.K. where were we....Ah yes, I believe we were going to talk about the infamous "Play Gay For Pay" ritual that exists in the bodybuilding world.....what are your thoughts?
Well let's talk about Lacy Rich...
Who is that?
Lacy Rich, I first heard of and actually met back in 1979 when I came up to see Ray and Mike Mentzer at the old Gold's Gym on 2nd street in Santa Monica, I think there's a McDonald's there now. Anyway, I went into the gym and Ray introduced me to this odd looking pudgy guy named Lacy Rich.
And what were your thoughts?
Well I found it odd that a guy looking like that was in Gold's at that time....It was obvious he did not train, but he loved to hang around the bodybuilders and it did not take a rocket scientist to figure out that he was gay. Anyway he and Mike had a loose friendship because they lived in the same apartment building in West Hollywood--No Mentzer is not gay--and the next time I saw Lacy was when I went to see Mike in West Hollywood. He took me downstairs to Lacy's apartment and we went inside.
You're making me a little worried...If you start telling me that you and Mentzer took turns ass fucking this guy I'm gonna puke!
Fuck you man...you know I don't play that way....Mike was friendly with him and he thought I would get a kick out of his apartment.
What was so special about his apartment?
Well when we walked inside, all over the walls, were pictures of top amateur and professional bodybuilders in rather compromising positions shall we say.
Isn't that lovely...care to name any names?
Well, one of the ones that Lacy claimed to have pictures of was Arnold.
Arnold?
Yeah, now again he never showed it to me because he said he had that locked up in a vault...but a number of people confirmed that the picture did, in fact, exist....
Do I want to know what the picture depicted?
It was allegedly a picture of Arnold, not performing but shall we say being performed on by Lacy....
Excuse me, I have to go puke now..
There that's better.....I cannot believe that.....although there have been rumors about him for a number of years....remember that book by Wendy Leigh on Arnold--The Unauthorized Biography---which amazingly enough you cannot locate or get anywhere?
Well Arnold is one powerful mother fucker.....
What else did Lacy claim to have.....
Well he claimed to have pictures of Ben Weider dressed in Drag, although I never saw them so who knows if they are real...But you have to understand that Lacy Rich was kinda like J. Edgar Hoover...he had files kept on everyone so he could always get his way.
So basically this guy hung around the gym's looking for weak minded bodybuilders who were down on their luck and would proposition them?
I don't know if he hung around the gym's so much as bodybuilders found out about him and came to him....His standard rate for him to be able to give you a blow-job was $1000.00 And the reason I know this is because he asked me if he could pay me to suck my dick.
So what did you buy with the money.....(Laughing)
Fuck you man (laughing as well)...seriously though, I would see a lot of the top amateurs and even pros going into this guys apartment whenever I would stop by to see Mike.
Such as?
Such as Valenti, and other amateurs of that time. Now I am not saying that I know what went on...all I know is I've seen them go into his apartment and come out an hour later....maybe they were just having coffee.....who knows, but I know what I believe was going on. Lacy was sponsoring a lot of these guys...he had 3 apartments in the building where Mike lived. One of them Lacy lived in, one he worked out of and one that always had a fresh young handsome bodybuilder living in.
Sounds like the shit that still goes on today.
It goes on today and it will continue to go on until the money in the sport reaches a level where really high level athletes are choosing bodybuilding as their sport of choice....which I don't ever see happening. Not in this lifetime.
You can say that again.....
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"THIS IS WHAT RESULTS FROM CARPI-SARCOMA WHEN YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS SHOT WHICH AS ANYONE WITH EVEN SLIGHT MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE KNOWS CAN ONLY BE CAUSE FROM HAVING AIDS."
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This statement alone, from the misspellings, down to being completely wrong, is enough reason to discredit almost the entire article. Sorry.
I will state for the record though; Lacy Rich is one wacked out creep, and he does have some sick pictures. ;D
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ahahahaha Ben Weider in drag ;D
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the Lyle clips are gone!
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everyone thinks he died of brain cancer, he died of aids it was a known fact by those in the nfl that he was gay and used to train with his bf in l.a.
I remember this rumor at the time 1990-1991 when Alzado wanted to have everyone believe they should feel sorry for him and Raider Lyle played himself off as a martyr. I see why the rumor got started in the first place since Alzado wanted to selfishly single out steroids and that got many renegades reacting with a vengeance.
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Little story about Arnold.In late 1973,myself and a few bodybuilding friends drove out from Philly to train at the old Golds and see our heroes in person.Imagine,training at the same gym as Arnold Schwarzanegger,this was my hero,I was in awe of him.Well, one day were in the gym and we are looking out the window at people walking by,we see this effeminate looking guy sort of prancing down the sidewalk.He's immedietly spottted by Franco Columbo and Ed Guliani and Franco whistles to get the guys attention,the guy looks over and Franco pops a double bicep and points to Arnold, the guy comes in the gym and goes over to talk to Arnold,my buddy was standing right next to them and he heard Arnold tell the guy, fifty bucks.Talk about someone bursting your bubble,my respect for him went down the toilet.I was a little naive then,I didnt even know they were taking steroids.When I found that out,my awe and respect turned to pure disgust.
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Maybe it was 50 for blow :o
Or, 50 for a blow :o
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interesting thread ;D
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I was reading the other day that Lyle was asked if he was on the juice ( at that particular moment in time ) an he replied he was totally off . . . although he was running a "few Abombs a day and 600mgs of Prop a week."
I wonder what he used when he was on?
The Beef
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This thread blows my mind ... I, however, have heard stories of Arnold having sex with other men ... namely, Franco.
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This thread blows my mind ... I, however, have heard stories of Arnold having sex with other men ... namely, Franco.
Where did you hear this?
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I was reading the other day that Lyle was asked if he was on the juice ( at that particular moment in time ) an he replied he was totally off . . . although he was running a "few Abombs a day and 600mgs of Prop a week."
I wonder what he used when he was on?
The Beef
Lyle Alzado's death did not stop other NFL players from using steroids so it is obvious his death was related to more than just anabolics because it is reasonable to believe that he took many other pharmaceutical products to play professional football.
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Where did you hear this?
There's an older man that trains at my gym that use to train out West when he was younger. He told me that he had spoken with a man that trained at the same gym that Arnold trained at in California. Apparently, in his own words, Arnold and Franco were very " close " and were sometimes seen kissing or holding hands ... I kid you not ! But ... who knows ? We weren't there.
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They have different customs in Europe so maybe it's not so sexual as we might expect. In Russia, men will hold hands while walking. They even have hand holding on a game field in the NFL. So really, who can say there is any truth to the rumor about Franco & Arnold. Kissing on both cheeks is another gesture of friendship in Europe and the middle east. Of course playing tongue hockey and rear ending each other would really leave no doubt about F&A.. But until those picture are presented on the Drudgereport, I believe they were just good European friends.
A couple of relations of mine use to work on the Paramount lot (VanNess & Melrose ave) back in the day. Many stories of Arnold nailing anything female he could reach out and grab, on any set he was shooting at. A few law suites were bought off, I've been told. A real hound dog.
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Arnold likes teh women. Find the gay thing hard to believe
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Lyle Alzado's death did not stop other NFL players from using steroids so it is obvious his death was related to more than just anabolics because it is reasonable to believe that he took many other pharmaceutical products to play professional football.
There is no question other drugs played a factor in his death. So did F.C.I.A!
The Beef
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Arnold likes teh women. Find the gay thing hard to believe
I wouldn't count it out ...
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everyone thinks he died of brain cancer, he died of aids it was a known fact by those in the nfl that he was gay and used to train with his bf in l.a.
Thats bullshit. In 1990 Alzado was 290 pounds and trying to comeback with the Raiders. He got hurt or he would have made the team. In 1992 he was dead. You don't go from 290 pounds to dead in two years from aids. Also he had chemo and radiation which you get if you have cancer.
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This is a true story. The NFL gives all the guys who are drafted some kind of IQ test. Lyle Alzado scored lower on it than any white player ever.
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That would be the Wonderlic test that is given to potential NFl drafed college players. It's given at the combines each year.
It's a general knowledge & attitude, common sense and a reacting under mental stress test. Like a college SAT test. Not a IQ test. Vince Young, last year, had a very, very low score so some doubts were cast about him as a thinking QB. How wrong could that be now and how stupid the NFL is at times. Not sure if they had the Wonderlic test when Alzado was first drafted out of college. I do not know.
The rumor was that Alzado was AC/DC and (at one time) a part owner in a rough trade gay bar in west LA. He did like more of the fem type I have been told. AIDs does not always take years to become full blown. AID's is like cancer, there are many varietys of it, not just one version. Been known to take a life in one or two years. I have to believe (sorry) that Alzado did die from the Aids virus. Three of my retatives are, or have been, in the NFL and that rumor about Alzado has been around for years.
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That would be the Wonderlic test that is given to potential NFl drafed college players. It's given at the combines each year.
It's a general knowledge & attitude, common sense and a reacting under mental stress test. Like a college SAT test. Not a IQ test. Vince Young, last year, had a very, very low score so some doubts were cast about him as a thinking QB. How wrong could that be now and how stupid the NFL is at times. Not sure if they had the Wonderlic test when Alzado was first drafted out of college. I do not know.
The rumor was that Alzado was AC/DC and (at one time) a part owner in a rough trade gay bar in west LA. He did like more of the fem type I have been told. AIDs does not always take years to become full blown. AID's is like cancer, there are many varietys of it, not just one version. Been known to take a life in one or two years. I have to believe (sorry) that Alzado did die from the Aids virus. Three of my retatives are, or have been, in the NFL and that rumor about Alzado has been around for years.
Alzado's autopsy said he contracted a brain cancer that was present in some of the human HGH Alzado took. The guys brain who they synthesized the HGH had a case of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. It was passed on to Alzado.
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Alzado's autopsy said he contracted a brain cancer that was present in some of the human HGH Alzado took. The guys brain who they synthesized the HGH had a case of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. It was passed on to Alzado.
If he was terminally ill, why was an autopsy performed? Surely, only if theres doubt as to cause of death an autopsy takes place? In his case, he was under supervison and testing by doctors who presumely knew what was happening to him while he was still alive?
They can pick up that the gh had CJ disease, track the cadaver down, confirm that indeed donor suffered from condition, and it was passed on eventually causing Alzado's death? Forgive my incredulous question, but why would his corpse be so closely scrutinized and does this technology exist now(as well as capacity, manpower, finance), much less when Alzado passed away? People hardly knew what aids was then, nevermind forensic testing of this magnitude.
I doubt this, sounds like conspiracy theory... If the guy was gay, contracted aids, didnt want it publicized, no problem, I understand, but these theories are hard to believe.
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Thats bullshit. In 1990 Alzado was 290 pounds and trying to comeback with the Raiders. He got hurt or he would have made the team. In 1992 he was dead. You don't go from 290 pounds to dead in two years from aids. Also he had chemo and radiation which you get if you have cancer.
It is a bunch of BS because what you said stands on it's own as being the reason why he died in 1992. I remember when he was on Roy Firestone's ESPN talk show describing how he got cancer and him saying how much regret he had over trying to make a comeback attempt with the Raiders since he couldn't do it without taking steroids. The guy was married at the time he died and was a father as well.
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"THIS IS WHAT RESULTS FROM CARPI-SARCOMA WHEN YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS SHOT WHICH AS ANYONE WITH EVEN SLIGHT MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE KNOWS CAN ONLY BE CAUSE FROM HAVING AIDS."
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This statement alone, from the misspellings, down to being completely wrong, is enough reason to discredit almost the entire article. Sorry.
I will state for the record though; Lacy Rich is one wacked out creep, and he does have some sick pictures. ;D
It was common knowledge among many in the NFL that Alzado died of AIDS. I have personally spoken to 3 former players in the NFL that have told me that. The NFL did a fantastic job covering it up.
It's one of those things that when you look back at, You can' t believe you didn't figure it out earlier. :o
It's like Barry Bonds-It never occured to me 5 years ago that it was juice that caused him & others to hit so many HR's. But when I look back, I can't believe It took me so long to figure out, And I was a juicer myself.
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It was common knowledge among many in the NFL that Alzado died of AIDS. I have personally spoken to 3 former players in the NFL that have told me that. The NFL did a fantastic job covering it up.
It's one of those things that when you look back at, You can' t believe you didn't figure it out earlier. :o
It's like Barry Bonds-It never occured to me 5 years ago that it was juice that caused him & others to hit so many HR's. But when I look back, I can't believe It took me so long to figure out, And I was a juicer myself.
Why would that be common knowledge since he would have definitely kept the true reasons behind having his illness a secret especially after Magic Johnson had to reveal that he became HIV positive the year before Alzado died.
It is hard to believe that the NFL would cover up the hidden reasons why he died because people inside pro football would have rather believed that than having to stay silent about his revelations as to how many types of steriods he took while playing for the Raiders so that the issue would only expose him and not other players who knew they did not want to end up like Lyle Alzado.
It is very skeptical and fictional that he died from AIDS because that should have been revealed within a certain period of time after he died since there are documented cases of other former pro football players who died from complications related to heavy dosages of steroid use. One example I am familiar with is a player named Mike Webster who played for the Steelers.
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My two cents worth. Even though I lived just down the street from Lyle in the mid 80's in Manhattan Beach I didn't know him that well. He was cool and everything, we waved whenever we saw each other. My daughters godfather is Pete Grymkowski who knew Lyle very well and I think was one of the pallbearers at his funeral. I highly doubt Lyle died of aids. He had cancer and was going through chemo. If he did get aids I also highly doubt it was from a guy. It was probably from a girl who had it. He was not a fag. Rumors start but thats all they were, were rumors.
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My two cents worth. Even though I lived just down the street from Lyle in the mid 80's in Manhattan Beach I didn't know him that well. He was cool and everything, we waved whenever we saw each other. My daughters godfather is Pete Grymkowski who knew Lyle very well and I think was one of the pallbearers at his funeral. I highly doubt Lyle died of aids. He had cancer and was going through chemo. If he did get aids I also highly doubt it was from a guy. It was probably from a girl who had it. He was not a fag. Rumors start but thats all they were, were rumors.
if you didnt know him very well, how do you know he wasnt a homo?
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I'm pretty sure he didnt advertise fact he was homo.
So what you see, is what he wants you to see, its just difficult realizing that someone you thought was the epitomy of what a real man is, and he turns out to be "not-as-straight" as you thought.
It shocked me when I found out George Michael and Freddy Mercury were fags... :-[ I didnt listen to music for a long time after that...
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if you didnt know him very well, how do you know he wasnt a homo?
Well you are right I guess I don't but the same goes for the people on here who don't know him yet calling him a fag and going by rumors ONLY. I just think its unusual for someone who was so much in the spotlight like him that only after his death or visible physical deterioration that rumors came out he was gay. If he was gay I would think it would have made the news many years before all this. He was married and had kids if I remember right. Like I said I rarely saw him and maybe said 10 words to him. He just so happened to move into a house down the street from me when the Raiders came to El Segundo. He wasn't a friend and highly doubt he would remembered my name, just good enough to acknowledge each other.
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That would be shocking to find out the front singer for Queen was gay. George Michaels that way too..gosh! Might as well throw John Travolta into the mix. I know two women at Uni who say that two sexual law suite were filed against him by male studio employee's...so far. Bought off, of course by studio heads. Travolta looks pretty straight to most people. And how manly did Rock Hudsons look?
Just because Alzado did not wear a sign on his helmet saying "Kiss Me, I'm Gay" doesn't mean he was or was not. The NFL is going to keep that hush-hush too save their image. We will just have to let him rest in peace. Whatever secret he had or didn't have, will be taken to the grave with him.
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Rock Hudson was gay? :o :o :o :o
Whats next, Simon Cowell?
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I'm glad that the screen name "johnny" knows about the example I gave about what tragically happened to Mike Webster. As for Alzado, the exact reason why he died of the medical illness he had is not a exact science. I don't know why it took so long for Alzado's example to be mentioned since this getbig message board was around before and at the time when ESPN did a story to remind people of ALzado ten years after he died in May 1992. IF people want to keep speculating about Alzado and AIDS so many irrelevant years after his story has been already told on television, then that is not surprising anymore because of why and how rumors are started to label a person in a insulting and denigrating way.
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Yes, it is irrelevant.
So, anyone got some straight, happy stories about Alzado? ;D
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The worst thing you could say about the late Lyle Alzado is that I still vaguely remember a few Raider games I saw in the mid-eighties where he looked like he was a sadistic person who was in many ways barbaric and very animalistic based on how he used to rip off his opponents helmet or grab another players jersey and refused to let go.
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The worst thing you could say about the late Lyle Alzado is that I still vaguely remember a few Raider games I saw in the mid-eighties where he looked like he was a sadistic person who was in many ways barbaric and very animalistic based on how he used to rip off his opponents helmet or grab another players jersey and refused to let go.
He wanted sex with them
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Brock Stinson "Ernest Goes to Camp
classic
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Arnold likes teh women. Find the gay thing hard to believe
Yes, Arnold likes the ladies, but it's pretty much common knowledge now that in his younger days (maybe even now, who knows) that he nailed anything that moved, including dudes :(.
SERGIO!!!!
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He wanted sex with them
Well, if you want to be funny and put it that way then lets talk about other pro sports athletes who have had the gay rumor attached to their name. A rumor such as the very outdated one that was mentioned in connection to Lyle Alzado is not credible since it could have been made to be legit during all those years in the 90's when the supposed secret about why Lyle Alzado really died would have come out one way or the other especially in Los Angeles.
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Excuse my ignorance, but isn't it possible that Alzado had both, brain tumor and aids? ???
As a lifelong raider fan, I remember watching games where Alzado was posessed! It was truly awesome as a fan. Can I believe he was gay or bi? Absolutely. I am in contact with several pro athletes, some in major league baseball and some in the NFL and they have all told me that if someone were gay, they would never EVER mention it in the locker room, nor would they ever want that to come out, can you say extradited? Former governor McGreevey was married with children, it means nothing.
Carlo
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To make a long story short, if anyone cares that much if this former pro football player was secretly "sideways" in his personal life, then think about the "sideways" sub-culture that is such a severe stereotype about bodybuilders since the issue of using or abusing steroids and other substances is enough of everyday subject to post about.
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To make a long story short, if anyone cares that much if this former pro football player was secretly "sideways" in his personal life, then think about the "sideways" sub-culture that is such a severe stereotype about bodybuilders since the issue of using or abusing steroids and other substances is enough of everyday subject to post about.
I personally could care less what Lyle or anyone else chose or chooses to do with their personal life. I think the point here is that he claimed steroids caused his demise, when in fact that may not have been the case.
Carlo
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alzado liked to do nasty stuff with blonde young men.
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alzado liked to do nasty stuff with blonde young men.
Are you blond? ???
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Lyle Alzado was gay, he tried to pick up my now partner up on the beach in California back in the 80's. I dont know why but my partner wasn't interested. He said he was kind of obnoxious. I don't think I would have been much easier...lol
It really shoudn't matter if he was gay or not. He was still a cool guy, a good athlete and an entertaining character. Enough is enough on speculating. He was gay big deal.
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I personally could care less what Lyle or anyone else chose or chooses to do with their personal life. I think the point here is that he claimed steroids caused his demise, when in fact that may not have been the case.
Carlo
He claimed steroids caused his demise so he could look like a innocent victim of what he did to himself. Lyle Alzado is one of the last pro athletes I would ever feel sympathy for because steroids have been in the NFL since the league went through a very controversial period during the eighties. This guy played for three different teams and won a Super Bowl with the Raiders two years before his retirement to pursue a minor acting career in Los Angeles. Although his public acknowledgement of using and abusing steroids in the early 90's looked to me like a PR stunt, I still have some respect for him since he died at a not so old age in 1992 and the way he almost looked handicapped when his condition just deteriorated until his death.
This talk about him being accused of being a former fagit is off the charts because basically Lyle Alzado has been laying 6 feet deep in a cemetary somewhere since his funeral in May of 1992 and I assume people who still don't like the guy want to kick more dirt over his grave, so to speak.
If you want to mention a presumably gay pro sports player then think about the incident when the Major League player for the Mets publicly tried to put a stop to all the gay rumors concerning him and a guy in the media who he was supposedly in love with. I remember when Jay Leno mentioned it once during the Tonight Show and David Letterman kept on reminding people about it for at least a few weeks if not more.
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Are you blond? ???
nope im not. but according to ben lazorda thats what he liked (blondes).
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He claimed steroids caused his demise so he could look like a innocent victim of what he did to himself. Lyle Alzado is one of the last pro athletes I would ever feel sympathy for because steroids have been in the NFL since the league went through a very controversial period during the eighties. This guy played for three different teams and won a Super Bowl with the Raiders two years before his retirement to pursue a minor acting career in Los Angeles. Although his public acknowledgement of using and abusing steroids in the early 90's looked to me like a PR stunt, I still have some respect for him since he died at a not so old age in 1992 and the way he almost looked handicapped when his condition just deteriorated until his death.
This talk about him being accused of being a former fagit is off the charts because basically Lyle Alzado has been laying 6 feet deep in a cemetary somewhere since his funeral in May of 1992 and I assume people who still don't like the guy want to kick more dirt over his grave, so to speak.
I'm not sure what your point is. Like I said, it doesn't matter to me AT ALL whether or not Lyle Alzado was bi, gay, whatever. He was and still is one of my favorite football players. I've been a raider fan since '79. The baseball player you refer to was Billy Beane. He played on my favorite team, the Mets. The whole homosexuality issue is overstated, my point initially was that it's a bit disturbing, to me personally that he would blame steroids, and ONLY steroids for his death, if in fact he did have AIDS.
Carlo
If you want to mention a presumably gay pro sports player then think about the incident when the Major League player for the Mets publicly tried to put a stop to all the gay rumors concerning him and a guy in the media who he was supposedly in love with. I remember when Jay Leno mentioned it once during the Tonight Show and David Letterman kept on reminding people about it for at least a few weeks if not more.