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Maybe you have read this before, but it is really good.
And true!
AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!
That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.
It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years.
America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.
America's military had been decimated and downsized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.
Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.
In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people.
The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.
Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.
Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.
The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.
Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.
Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.
Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.
The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 114 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.
Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.
The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.
The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?
The Snooze alarm is depressed again.
Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.
A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.
They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision.
They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.
The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.
And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.
In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.
The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.
America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.
After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "...it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.
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Launching a war of aggression against Iran - possibly using nuclear weapons - should help.
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Launching a war of aggression against Iran - possibly using nuclear weapons - should help.
agreed. true, they haven't done anything at all related to this list.
but hey, ted bundy killed a lot of people. I think we should send a local jaywalker to 'ol Sparky to even the score!
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I knew before reading this article the liberal parrots would be out in force. ::)
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Launching a war of aggression against Iran - possibly using nuclear weapons - should help.
Woah! Easy there, warmonger ;)
Iran needs to know they will be held responsible by the US.
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The interesting thing pointed out by that article, something easily missed, is that in the case of every single attack where the "snooze" button was hit, ...who was in charge?
Ya Carter was in office when the embassy was under seige, but he attempted a rescue.
We won't go into the political machinations of the Republicans to ensure a Reagan victory... but let's look at why the military was so ineffective. Could the fact that it had been devastated as a result of fighting in Vietnam, another war where America had no business being in?
As for the string of attacks during the 80's under Reagan & Bush, what happened there?
In the 90's Clinton retaliated against agressors
in 2001 Bush/Cheney siezed the opportunity to consolidate power & wealth, at the expense of the constitution, and the American people, the Iraqi people, generations of Americans to come, and American is still no safer than it was on 911. Infact, it's more dangerous than ever
I agree with the article's title - America DOES need to wake up. I believe she's in the process as we speak.
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The interesting thing pointed out by that article, something easily missed, is that in the case of every single attack where the "snooze" button was hit, ...who was in charge?
Ya Carter was in office when the embassy was under seige, but he attempted a rescue.
We won't go into the political machinations of the Republicans to ensure a Reagan victory... but let's look at why the military was so ineffective. Could the fact that it had been devastated as a result of fighting in Vietnam, another war where America had no business being in?
As for the string of attacks during the 80's under Reagan & Bush, what happened there?
In the 90's Clinton retaliated against agressors
in 2001 Bush/Cheney siezed the opportunity to consolidate power & wealth, at the expense of the constitution, and the American people, the Iraqi people, generations of Americans to come, and American is still no safer than it was on 911. Infact, it's more dangerous than ever
I agree with the article's title - America DOES need to wake up. I believe she's in the process as we speak.
they all should have done more. 'they' being previous administrations.
clinton didn't do much, if anything.
240's dumb theories and ribo's passifists views aside, Bush finally confronts these terrorists and HE'S labeled as the warmonger. explain
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they all should have done more. 'they' being previous administrations.
clinton didn't do much, if anything.
240's dumb theories and ribo's passifists views aside, Bush finally confronts these terrorists and HE'S labeled as the warmonger. explain
Bush didn't confront terrorists. Bush toppled the sovereign nation of Iraq and gave birth to terrorists.
He provided justification for their cause, and validated them in the minds of many wouldbe terrorists.
He spread the seeds for terrorism, as well as hatred and distrust towards America, and watered and fertilized them well. Now everyone is stuck dealing with the weeds that have sprung up.
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Death to Iran and Arabs across the world!
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Bush didn't confront terrorists. Bush toppled the sovereign nation of Iraq and gave birth to terrorists.
He provided justification for their cause, and validated them in the minds of many wouldbe terrorists.
He spread the seeds for terrorism, as well as hatred and distrust towards America, and watered and fertilized them well. Now everyone is stuck dealing with the weeds that have sprung up.
come on man, did you not read ANY of that speech??
bush gave birth to terrorist?? he spread the seed of terrorism?? you can't be serious.
all those years we done nothing, so why didn't the terrorists go away?? why did 9/11 happen then?? we finally engage in a war with them and we're doing the wrong thing?
the hatred for us is not new. it should itself loud and clear on 9/11.
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{yawn} mighty mouse. I'm tired. Go read the NIE report.
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{yawn} mighty mouse. I'm tired. Go read the NIE report.
you obviously didn't read anything
or at least pick up a newspaper in the last 25 years!
now go to sleep, don't forget to hit your snooze alarm. :'(
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you obviously didn't read anything
or at least pick up a newspaper in the last 25 years!
now go to sleep, don't forget to hit your snooze alarm. :'(
I read it, and have picked up a paper in the past 25 years.
Unlike 240, I don't have the patience to repost arguments long since made over and over and over again.
ps - have done away with alarm clocks. I wake up after I'm done sleeping. :)
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Bush didn't confront terrorists. Bush toppled the sovereign nation of Iraq and gave birth to terrorists.
He provided justification for their cause, and validated them in the minds of many wouldbe terrorists.
He spread the seeds for terrorism, as well as hatred and distrust towards America, and watered and fertilized them well. Now everyone is stuck dealing with the weeds that have sprung up.
Oh yes, the jihad was non-existant before we went to Iraq!
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Oh yes, the jihad was non-existant before we went to Iraq!
never said that.
I won't bother debating or clarifying a thing with you. I've seen your style. Aint interested.
you can twist and whine and complain all you want with everyone else. I'm not biting.
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ps - have done away with alarm clocks. I wake up after I'm done sleeping. :)
with your world opinions, your still sleeping bro!
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Oh yes, the jihad was non-existant before we went to Iraq!
Correct. There was no 911, because that was "an inside job." Muslims didn't hate us before we invaded Iraq. Iranians didn't burn American flags in the streets and teach their children that America is the devil. The entire Middle East loved us before we liberated Kuwait (which we only did to steal their oil). Saudi Arabians loved us before we prevented Saddam from invading their country, and they didn't supply a majority of the ALLEGED 911 terrorists. Where have you been?
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with your world opinions, your still sleeping bro!
{LOL} ;D
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all those years we done nothing, so why didn't the terrorists go away?? why did 9/11 happen then?? we finally engage in a war with them and we're doing the wrong thing?
How is engaging Iraq and now planning a second one with Iran have anything to do with 9/11? Do tell.
By your logic, if someone murders a friend of mine, then I should go out into street and just take revenge by randomly killing someone that I don't like. Then when someone asks me why, I try and emotionally blackmail him with agnsty tales about my dead friend.
This is what you are trying to do, but in this case the means for the emotional blackmail is 9/11. Let those poor souls rest in peace, as they don't need you using their deaths as a means for invading countries that had nothing to do with their deaths.
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Correct. There was no 911, because that was "an inside job." Muslims didn't hate us before we invaded Iraq. Iranians didn't burn American flags in the streets and teach their children that America is the devil. The entire Middle East loved us before we liberated Kuwait (which we only did to steal their oil). Saudi Arabians loved us before we prevented Saddam from invading their country, and they didn't supply a majority of the ALLEGED 911 terrorists. Where have you been?
I love the way the Left works this angle:
The US Government, led by Warchief Bush, has invented the 'war on (of) terror' to use as an excuse for attacking oil rich nations. What bliss!
The Arabs, after being attacked by Warchief Bush, now are terrorists, because we accused them of being so!
So remember, if someone accuses you of being a murderer, don't deny it - just go on a killing spree! It makes sense!
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The Arabs, after being attacked by Warchief Bush, now are terrorists, because we accused them of being so!
Do you know of Mohammed Mossadeg?
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Correct. There was no 911, because that was "an inside job." Muslims didn't hate us before we invaded Iraq. Iranians didn't burn American flags in the streets and teach their children that America is the devil. The entire Middle East loved us before we liberated Kuwait (which we only did to steal their oil). Saudi Arabians loved us before we prevented Saddam from invading their country, and they didn't supply a majority of the ALLEGED 911 terrorists. Where have you been?
Them burning flags is enough to start an all out war? We've got two carriers over there and we've conducted special forces operation inside their country. WE'RE OPENLY PUSHING FOR WAR.
The real war on terror would be carpet bombing saudia arabia and pakistan. But no, we go to Iraq and eventually we'll be in Iran.
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I love the way the Left works this angle:
The US Government, led by Warchief Bush, has invented the 'war on (of) terror' to use as an excuse for attacking oil rich nations. What bliss!
The Arabs, after being attacked by Warchief Bush, now are terrorists, because we accused them of being so!
So remember, if someone accuses you of being a murderer, don't deny it - just go on a killing spree! It makes sense!
I agree. We didn't create terrorists by invading Iraq. They spent years planning the 911 attack, long before we took Saddam down. They will always hate us. The contention that we are now hated by the world because of Iraq is ridiculous. Much of the Muslim world always has and always will despise the U.S.
Keep in mind that you have America haters on this board, so you have to keep their comments in context.
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Do you know of Mohammed Mossadeg?
No. Do elaborate, CJ.
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Do you know of Mohammed Mossadeg?
He wasn't even Arab, ...he was persian, ...but to the small minds in here, they're all Arabs, even the Pakistani's
...except the actual Arabs who supposedly carried out the 911 hijackings.
An Arab does wrong... go kill a persian, or an afghan, or an iraqi, ...but arabs are off-limits.
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Correct. There was no 911, because that was "an inside job." Muslims didn't hate us before we invaded Iraq. Iranians didn't burn American flags in the streets and teach their children that America is the devil. The entire Middle East loved us before we liberated Kuwait (which we only did to steal their oil). Saudi Arabians loved us before we prevented Saddam from invading their country, and they didn't supply a majority of the ALLEGED 911 terrorists. Where have you been?
hahahaha, Iranians end their prayers with "Death to America". This was before 9/11. These arabs are so fucked in the head it's pathetic. Just further proof they have no business existing on this planet.
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I agree. We didn't create terrorists by invading Iraq. They spent years planning the 911 attack, long before we took Saddam down. They will always hate us. The contention that we are now hated by the world because of Iraq is ridiculous. Much of the Muslim world always has and always will despise the U.S.
Keep in mind that you have America haters on this board, so you have to keep their comments in context.
Thanks, BB. Islam is a relgion stuck in 799 A.D. - until it gets a contemporary angle, you'll find Islamicists won't gel with today's world. We're in trouble, and have been long before Bush Jnr. or Snr. came along
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Them burning flags is enough to start an all out war? We've got two carriers over there and we've conducted special forces operation inside their country. WE'RE OPENLY PUSHING FOR WAR.
The real war on terror would be carpet bombing saudia arabia and pakistan. But no, we go to Iraq and eventually we'll be in Iran.
No. Not at all. I'm talking about the images I remember from my childhood of Iranians burning American flags and teaching their kids to hate America. I vividly remember clips of Iranian kids chanting "death to America!" back in the 80s. It continues to this day. Their hatred didn't suddenly originate in 2002. It has been around for decades.
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aw, jag.
i used to sleep til 10 every day, when I just woke up on my own. Was so nice.
now it's 7 am, 7 days a week with the baby. Even when the band plays and i'm home at 4 am.
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No. Not at all. I'm talking about the images I remember from my childhood of Iranians burning American flags and teaching their kids to hate America. I vividly remember clips of Iranian kids chanting "death to America!" back in the 80s. It continues to this day. Their hatred didn't suddenly originate in 2002. It has been around for decades.
Islam is at odds with our way of life, BB.
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Going into Iran would be a bigger mistake than Iraq.
At least in Iraq there is a certain percentage of the population that want us there.
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Going into Iran would be a bigger mistake than Iraq.
At least in Iraq there is a certain percentage of the population that want us there.
Does Iran pose a threat to The US and its allies, Ozmo?
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Islam is at odds with our way of life, BB.
This is true. I was talking to someone the other day who has spent a lot of time in the Middle East and he said that very thing. They really do hate us.
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Going into Iran would be a bigger mistake than Iraq.
At least in Iraq there is a certain percentage of the population that want us there.
I don't think we'll invade Iran. No boots on the ground anyway.
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This is true. I was talking to someone the other day who has spent a lot of time in the Middle East and he said that very thing. They really do hate us.
Can I recommend Mark Steyn's best selling book America Alone to you? It's a brilliant record of the sort of trouble the world faces from Islam right now.
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Does Iran pose a threat to The US and its allies, Ozmo?
In the last 50 years how many countries, based on having offensive capabilities, and ga eneral dislike for the USA, could have been classified as a threat?
How many of those did we invade?
How did those invasions turn out?
How did not invading turn out with the remaining countries?
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No. Do elaborate, CJ.
Mossadeg was a democratically elected president of Iran that wanted to nationalize his nation's oil industry. Most of the Iranian oil then was controled by the British. What happened? The US and England saw a nation trying to nationalize its own oil as a problem, so they ended up bribing the Shah and helped to plan a coup. Mossadeg was overthrown and the murderous Shah was put in power. The Shah terrorized his own people with secret police and was eventually overthrown in the Islamic revolution.
My point is that Mossadeg, who was an nationalist, was democrtically elected. All he wanted to do was nationalize his own country's oil industry, but I guess this didn't fit well with the west.
Do you see now that WE helped to create the current Iran? What? Do you honestly think they hate us because of our civil liberties? If so, then you're delusional and need some help. We've been meddling in their affairs for so long, so how can you expect any sort of contempt from them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm
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Can I recommend Mark Steyn's best selling book America Alone to you? It's a brilliant record of the sort of trouble the world faces from Islam right now.
Absolutely. It's on my list. Thanks. It will probably take me a good month to finish Helter Skelter, but I'll order America Alone (and read it). Thanks for the recommendation.
I'm a total book worm (as are my kids). I'm moving into another office and the very sweet employee who is in charge of the move was very concerned about my book collection (the new office doesn't have enough shelve space). She's going to have shelves installed to accommodate me. :)
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I don't think we'll invade Iran. No boots on the ground anyway.
I hope not.
That will be a disaster unless the entire country is fully committed but more importantly: motivated
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I hope not.
That will be a disaster unless the entire country is fully committed but more importantly: motivated
It would be a disaster in either event. :'(
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Mossadeg was a democratically elected president of Iran that wanted to nationalize his nation's oil industry. Most of the Iranian oil then was controled by the British. What happened? The US and England saw a nation trying to nationalize its own oil as a problem, so they ended up bribing the Shah and helped to plan a coup. Mossadeg was overthrown and the murderous Shah was put in power. The Shah terrorized his own people with secret police and was eventually overthrown in the Islamic revolution.
My point is that Mossadeg, who was an nationalist, was democrtically elected. All he wanted to do was nationalize his own country's oil industry, but I guess this didn't fit well with the west.
Do you see now that WE helped to create the current Iran? What? Do you honestly think they hate us because of our civil liberties? If so, then you're delusional and need some help. We've been meddling in their affairs for so long, so how can you expect any sort of contempt from them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm
Hmm. Start a new thread if you'd like me to look deeper at this, as it's quite interesting, and I'd like to test its truth.
And yes, they hate us because Islam compels them to despise (and in some cases, kill) those who do not submit to Islam.
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Bruce, I would love to recommend Webster Tarpley's "911 Synthetic Truth" to you. I would pay for a copy for you if you wish.
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It would be a disaster in either event. :'(
Hmmm..bombing them back to the stone age will do the job. Then NK then an insurgency into Venezuela and the world will be just right.
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Hmmm..bombing them back to the stone age will do the job. Then NK then an insurgency into Venezuela and the world will be just right.
yeah, that makes alot of sense: kill children, women, elderly, innocent men, and call yourself civilized while accusing them of being barbaric which they are.
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yeah, that makes alot of sense: kill children, women, elderly, innocent men, and call yourself civilized while accusing them of being barbaric which they are.
No. Bomb their major infrastructures that support nuclear weapons and any other things that may be deemed a threat. Read the post, not what you want to see.
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Bruce, I would love to recommend Webster Tarpley's "911 Synthetic Truth" to you. I would pay for a copy for you if you wish.
Deal!
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Maybe you have read this before, but it is really good.
And true!
AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!
America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.
So very true, ...America DOES INDEED NEED TO WAKE UP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAjVHtSO_As&NR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAjVHtSO_As&NR)
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After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "...it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant."
Didn't the great Japanese Admiral realize Pearl harbor was a conspiracy? ;)
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Didn't the great Japanese Admiral realize Pearl harbor was a conspiracy? ;)
Apparently not. :)
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No. Bomb their major infrastructures that support nuclear weapons and any other things that may be deemed a threat. Read the post, not what you want to see.
Oh so that's what "bombing them to the stone age" means.................. ::)