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Title: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:33:09 PM
I`ve never understand their logic (lack thereof) on this issue.  They point the fingers at Fast Food and Soda which are completely harmless to eat and drink.  How come nobody realizes that all you need to do is eat 2000 calories or so a day?  (that little piece of advice also eludes people of ALL political persuasions-many on Getbig even)


Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:34:43 PM
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 05:37:19 PM
Ban advertising for such products.

Advertising by definition is made to manipulate the viewer. If a company puts millions of dollars on the line to manipulate people into unhealthy life choices how can they act innocent.

I'm all for freedom of choice, but allowing coke ads free reign is just the opposite.


But anyways continues this childish diatribe, and be sure to stick your "values" and ignore virtually everything we know about human behavior.  ::)
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 05:38:21 PM
I also think its an issue of personal freedom. People should be allowed to be unhealthy and obese if they so choose.  Any idiot knows the risks.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
Ban advertising for such products.

Advertising by definition is made to manipulate the viewer. If a company puts millions of dollars on the line to manipulate people into unhealthy life choices how can they act innocent.

I'm all for freedom of choice, but allowing coke ads free reign is just the opposite.


But anyways continues this childish diatribe, and be sure to stick your "values" and ignore virtually everything we know about human behavior.  ::)
???

You are a moron.  How come I never wanted to smoke cigarettes despite being bombarded with tons of ads as a kid and all my friends smoked?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:41:32 PM
Ban advertising for such products.

Advertising by definition is made to manipulate the viewer. If a company puts millions of dollars on the line to manipulate people into unhealthy life choices how can they act innocent.

I'm all for freedom of choice, but allowing coke ads free reign is just the opposite.


But anyways continues this childish diatribe, and be sure to stick your "values" and ignore virtually everything we know about human behavior.  ::)
What is unhealthy about Coke?  Especially Diet Coke?   ???

Banning advertising?  Really?   ::)
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:42:47 PM
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Parker on January 26, 2013, 05:43:14 PM
Also the sodium levels in fast foods are off the charts...

About as much as the over eating, Americans over indulge in many things. We have this belief that its ok to over indulge and that there is something wrong with those who do not, aka party poopers.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 05:43:22 PM
???

You are a moron.  How come I never wanted to smoke cigarettes despite being bombarded with tons of ads as a kid and all my friends smoked?
Smoking is a horrible example.

The much better question is why would coke spend billions of dollars on add campaigns.

Do you believe it's because it don't work?

Are you that fucking naive?


But again this is a typical adonis debate, if you completely ignore everything we know about human nature you are correct. However if you factor it in for even a fucking second, your autistic, beliefs seem child like.

Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 26, 2013, 05:44:23 PM
I also think its an issue of personal freedom. People should be allowed to be unhealthy and obese if they so choose.  Any idiot knows the risks.

This^^

I don't think you're really a liberal. You seem too smart. LOL
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 05:47:34 PM
This^^

I don't think you're really a liberal. You seem too smart. LOL
Great logic, but if adds didn't interfere with personal choice, they wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 05:47:50 PM
Smoking is a horrible example.

The much better question is why would coke spend billions of dollars on add campaigns.

Do you believe it's because it don't work?

Are you that fucking naive?


But again this is a typical adonis debate, if you completely ignore everything we know about human nature you are correct. However if you factor it in for even a fucking second, your autistic, beliefs seem child like.



What you'd like to do is treat adults like children who can't make decisions on their own.    We should expect people to think about the repucussions of their actions and make informed choices.  During no other time in history has information been so readily available.   If people are too lazy to think for themselves, that's their problem.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Smoking is a horrible example.

The much better question is why would coke spend billions of dollars on add campaigns.

Do you believe it's because it don't work?

Are you that fucking naive?


But again this is a typical adonis debate, if you completely ignore everything we know about human nature you are correct. However if you factor it in for even a fucking second, your autistic, beliefs seem child like.


???
Smoking is a horrible example?  They were the king of advertising at one time.

I want Coke to spend millions on advertising.  I want them to sell as much product as they can.  I want them to succeed.  I hope the ads work incredibly well.
 
For the record, I do not like Coke Products at all.  I am strictly a Pepsi Man.  Coke is not nearly as good, despite the millions they spend in ads.  I choose Pepsi for the taste any day.  Especially Pepsi Max.

I also feel sorry for people like RAtard who cannot think for themselves and cannot make up their own mind about a product and have to rely on whatever advertising they "succumb" to.  Poor RAtards.  ::)
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 05:49:55 PM
This^^

I don't think you're really a liberal. You seem too smart. LOL

You're the second person to tell me that.  I like to tell them I'm complex.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:50:12 PM
Great logic, but if adds didn't interfere with personal choice, they wouldn't exist.
Ads help you make a personal choice.  Their goal is not to "interfere".  Again, you are a moron.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 05:51:02 PM
???
Smoking is a horrible example?  They were the king of advertising at one time.

I want Coke to spend millions on advertising.  I want them to sell as much product as they can.  I want them to succeed.  I hope the ads work incredibly well.
 
For the record, I do not like Coke Products at all.  I am strictly a Pepsi Man.  Coke is not nearly as good, despite the millions they spend in ads.  I choose Pepsi for the taste any day.  Especially Pepsi Max.

I also feel sorry for people like RAtard who cannot think for themselves and cannot make up their own mind about a product and have to rely on whatever advertising they "succumb" to.  Poor RAtards.  ::)
smoking is a narcotic it doesn't need advertisements.

Anyhow I find it laughable, that you think I fall for adds, I'm autistic like you remember, adds tend not to work to well on us, it's a matter of neurology.


However for the general population, the ability to think for themselves is a massive delusion.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:52:20 PM
You're the second person to tell me that.  I like to tell them I'm complex.
The Democrat Party left us a long time ago my friend.  I can`t believe the nonsensical farce it has become.  It was always a bit nonsensical in some areas, but its going over the cliff lately with the Republicans.  I don`t really feel like any party represents us for the most part.  
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 05:52:51 PM
smoking is a narcotic it doesn't need advertisements.

Anyhow I find it laughable, that you think I fall for adds, I'm autistic like you remember, adds tend not to work to well on us, it's a matter of neurology.


However for the general population, the ability to think for themselves is a massive delusion.


I see, you're trying to turn your "disability" into a super power.  All us normals are such idiots.


The Democrat Party left us a long time ago my friend.  I can`t believe the nonsensical farce it has become.  It was always a bit nonsensical in some areas, but its going over the cliff lately with the Republicans.  I don`t really feel like any party represents us for the most part.  

You're right.  Where's the simple logic and common sense? Shit, where's the intellectual consistency?   If you're not a true believer who swallows the party line without question you're not a true Democrat/liberal.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 05:53:11 PM
Ads help you make a personal choice.  Their goal is not to "interfere".  Again, you are a moron.
Yeah by manipulating your personal desires through associations.

Like I honestly can't tell if your actually this naive or just trolling.

You can't expect a regular person to make a rational decision when they are filled with manipulation.

But again this is your whole circular argument, if you ignore human behavior you are right, otherwise fuck no.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 05:54:10 PM
I see, you're trying to turn your "disability" into a super power.  All us normals are such idiots.
Fuck you dude, I never said that, I don't think billboards work to well on a blind man either, don't make em special, think for a fucking second.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:54:33 PM
smoking is a narcotic it doesn't need advertisements.

Anyhow I find it laughable, that you think I fall for adds, I'm autistic like you remember, adds tend not to work to well on us, it's a matter of neurology.


However for the general population, the ability to think for themselves is a massive delusion.

Caffeine is a narcotic.  You are the board`s only special RAtard.  No one is autistic but you.  I thought you had AssBurgers?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:56:28 PM
Yeah by manipulating your personal desires through associations.

Like I honestly can't tell if your actually this naive or just trolling.

You can't expect a regular person to make a rational decision when they are filled with manipulation.

But again this is your whole circular argument, if you ignore human behavior you are right, otherwise fuck no.
I see no issue whatsoever with manipulating personal desires in any way in order to steer them in a certain direction.  Its what I do best and I do it extremely well.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 05:57:51 PM
Caffeine is a narcotic.  You are the board`s only special RAtard.  No one is autistic but you.  I thought you had AssBurgers?
DSM 4 redefined assburgers, as a form of emotional or high functioning autism.

And you my friend clearly are.

And the more you make threads that are both well thought out, and completely ignorant of human behavior the more this shows true.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 05:59:49 PM
I see no issue whatsoever with manipulating personal desires in any way in order to steer them in a certain direction.  Its what I do best and I do it extremely well.
Even if it leads to an obesity epidemic?

Seriously maybe your just a sociopath who knows.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 05:59:53 PM
DSM 4 redefined assburgers, as a form of emotional or high functioning autism.

And you my friend clearly are.

And the more you make threads that are both well thought out, and completely ignorant of human behavior the more this shows true.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to accommodate for your consistent failures, RAtard.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 06:02:16 PM
DSM 4 redefined assburgers, as a form of emotional or high functioning autism.

And you my friend clearly are.

And the more you make threads that are both well thought out, and completely ignorant of human behavior the more this shows true.

Considering assburger sufferers like yourself have difficulty understanding basic social interaction, shouldn't you be the last person defining normal human behavior.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
Even if it leads to an obesity epidemic?

Seriously maybe your just a sociopath who knows.
I don`t consider obesity an "epidemic".  "Epidemic" is a word misapplied and thrown around carelessly, especially when attributed to obesity.  Furthermore, I don`t care if the whole country is obese except me.  That is their choice.  At any point in time, they can choose to eat 2000 calories.  
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:05:26 PM
Considering assburger sufferers like yourself have difficulty understanding basic social interaction, shouldn't you be the last person defining normal human behavior.
He won`t even leave the confines of his own prison that he created for himself.  I bet he is the type of guy that always looks down when walking and will never look you in the eye.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 06:07:32 PM
Considering assburger sufferers like yourself have difficulty understanding basic social interaction, shouldn't you be the last person defining normal human behavior.
I have no instincts for one on one interactions, as I'm completely oblivious to the details. However I've developed a strong sense of the way people behave in groups. It's a method of adaption quite common among people with aspergers.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:08:55 PM
I have no instincts for one on one interactions, as I'm completely oblivious to the details. However I've developed a strong sense of the way people behave in groups. It's a method of adaption quite common among people with aspergers.
Good luck ever getting out of virginhood.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 06:10:09 PM
He won`t even leave the confines of his own prison that he created for himself.  I bet he is the type of guy that always looks down when walking and will never look you in the eye.

Totally.  Does he even workout?  Do they let him out of the group home long enough to hit the gym?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: cart@@n on January 26, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
They want to create more taxes, and impose more government control over the food, life, and personal choice of people.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 06:11:12 PM
Good luck ever getting out of virginhood.
Sorry are you butthurt, that I knocked your dumbass thread out of the water?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 06:12:32 PM
I`ve never understand their logic (lack thereof) on this issue.  They point the fingers at Fast Food and Soda which are completely harmless to eat and drink.  How come nobody realizes that all you need to do is eat 2000 calories or so a day?  (that little piece of advice also eludes people of ALL political persuasions-many on Getbig even)



both liberals and conservatives are authoritarians who want to force their will upon other people.  

why do liberals want to legislate restrictions on factors associated with obesity? because they support public healthcare and feel its the governments responsibility to try and make the public as healthy as possible.

as for your argument about calories and food choices, of course. but that doesnt mean eliminating high calorie foods cant help reduce calorie intake.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
Sorry are you butthurt, that I knocked your dumbass thread out of the water?
???
How come you are the only one that sees it that way?

How old are you anyways and does not ever having experienced sex with a woman bother you?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 06:13:16 PM
They want to create more taxes, and impose more government control over the food, life, and personal choice of people.

All the soda tax is, is a cash grab aimed at the middle and lower class under the guise of a moral crusade against obesity.   Total bullshit.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Nomad on January 26, 2013, 06:13:27 PM
I`ve never understand their logic (lack thereof) on this issue.  They point the fingers at Fast Food and Soda which are completely harmless to eat and drink.  How come nobody realizes that all you need to do is eat 2000 calories or so a day?  (that little piece of advice also eludes people of ALL political persuasions-many on Getbig even)




I liked the old days when it was ok to make fun of fatties.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:14:37 PM
both liberals and conservatives are authoritarians who want to force their will upon other people.  

why do liberals want to legislate restrictions on factors associated with obesity? because they support public healthcare and feel its the governments responsibility to try and make the public as healthy as possible.

as for your argument about calories and food choices, of course. but that doesnt mean eliminating high calorie foods cant help reduce calorie intake.
Nobody should be trying to eliminate any foods in order to reduce intake. (which is a leap in logic that presupposes that someone is going to eat less because of less food choice. ie. a legislation based in stupidity)
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
Nobody should be trying to eliminate any foods in order to reduce intake. (which is a leap in logic that presupposes that someone is going to eat less because of less food choice. ie. a legislation based in stupidity)

I would argue that they know for a fact that taxing soda and even cigarettes will not reduce consumption.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
Nobody should be trying to eliminate any foods in order to reduce intake. (which is a leap in logic that presupposes that someone is going to eat less because of less food choice. ie. a legislation based in stupidity)
if the only options you have are options with a high volume-to-calorie ratio... meaning, low calorie foods...  then your less likely to eat a lot of calories.. because youll have to eat SO much food to get there... plus lower calorie foods tend to be less appetizing.. for example.. how easy is it to eat a pound of ice cream? a pound of broccoli? one is far easier..

PLENTY of logic behind banning high calorie foods if your goal is a healthier public..
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 06:19:13 PM
if the only options you have are options with a high volume-to-calorie ratio... meaning, low calorie foods...  then your less likely to eat a lot of calories.. because youll have to eat SO much food to get there... plus lower calorie foods tend to be less appetizing.. for example.. how easy is it to eat a pound of ice cream? a pound of broccoli? one is far easier..

PLENTY of logic behind banning high calorie foods if your goal is a healthier public..
Sorry your bringing typical human behavior into this, for the sake of adonis's argument, humans act like adonis.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 06:20:59 PM
Sorry your bringing typical human behavior into this, for the sake of adonis's argument, humans act like adonis.
even adonis would consume less calories if his only food choices were low calorie foods..
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 06:22:12 PM
even adonis would consume less calories if his only food choices were low calorie foods..
Nah man he made a control educated decision when he started drinking pepsi max.  ;D
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 26, 2013, 06:28:08 PM
even adonis would consume less calories if his only food choices were low calorie foods..

I don't think anyone is arguing that people wouldn't eat calorically dense foods if they were completely unavailable.

First, I don't think it's possible to do that.

Secondly, we are arguing if it is the responsibility of the federal government to make food choices for adults.  I do not think it is.

Thirdly, does taxing these food discourage consumption?  I believe it does not.  I don't smoke but I know many smokers and not one of them stopped smoking after the tax on tobacco was increased a few years ago.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:31:03 PM
if the only options you have are options with a high volume-to-calorie ratio... meaning, low calorie foods...  then your less likely to eat a lot of calories.. because youll have to eat SO much food to get there... plus lower calorie foods tend to be less appetizing.. for example.. how easy is it to eat a pound of ice cream? a pound of broccoli? one is far easier..

PLENTY of logic behind banning high calorie foods if your goal is a healthier public..
It is Much easier to eat a Pound of Broccoli than a Pound of Ice Cream in my opinion.  I ate 2 lbs of Broccoli in my Broccoli Soup today, along with 4 ounces of Spinach.  I then ate half of all the Lemon Bars we made.  Broccoli never has done much for my hunger thats for sure. 
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:32:37 PM
even adonis would consume less calories if his only food choices were low calorie foods..
Nope.  Besides, what is the definition of a low calorie food?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:35:16 PM
Nah man he made a control educated decision when he started drinking pepsi max.  ;D
I did.  I started drinking it way before I ever saw an advertisement for it.  There is not a single product out right now that compares to it as far as my taste is concerned and with the amount of caffeine that I want. It is by far, a superior product to anything currently available.  I have tried just about every diet soda I can get my hands on and Pepsi Max still is the winner by far.  Jones makes some good Sodas, but the level of caffeine is not there.  Plus, the price is not worth what you get.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 06:48:30 PM
I don't think anyone is arguing that people wouldn't eat calorically dense foods if they were completely unavailable.

First, I don't think it's possible to do that.

Secondly, we are arguing if it is the responsibility of the federal government to make food choices for adults.  I do not think it is.

Thirdly, does taxing these food discourage consumption?  I believe it does not.  I don't smoke but I know many smokers and not one of them stopped smoking after the tax on tobacco was increased a few years ago.
i agree with everything except about taxes. taxes always reduce motivation. they are a disincentive. and they decrease quantity demanded, as well as quantity supplied.  (some economic terms that get right to the heart of the issue)

Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 06:49:26 PM
It is Much easier to eat a Pound of Broccoli than a Pound of Ice Cream in my opinion.  I ate 2 lbs of Broccoli in my Broccoli Soup today, along with 4 ounces of Spinach.  I then ate half of all the Lemon Bars we made.  Broccoli never has done much for my hunger thats for sure
you would still take in less calories on a low calorie-foods diet.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 06:51:38 PM
Nope.  Besides, what is the definition of a low calorie food?
things with high volume and low caolorie.  vegetables mainly.  but the lower calorie, the lower calorie.  a whole wheat pasta will result in less calories eaten than a cheese and pepperoni pizza.  know why?  doesnt taste as good, has less calories per oz of weight, and it gives your stomach the feeling of being physically full.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
things with high volume and low caolorie.  vegetables mainly.  but the lower calorie, the lower calorie.  a whole wheat pasta will result in less calories eaten than a cheese and pepperoni pizza.  know why?  doesnt taste as good, has less calories per oz of weight, and it gives your stomach the feeling of being physically full.
I don`t think you can compare one food ingredient or item to a whole meal or even meal to meal for that matter.  Thats another thing, the food (or ingredient comparisons to foods made with many ingredients) comparisons have zero legitimate coherency whatsoever are not viable.  

Why not compare a 4 ounces of Turmeric to a Steak Dinner?  Or 5 ounces of Cinnamon to an Egg Salad Sandwich or whatever ridiculous false equivalency you want to make.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: George Whorewell on January 26, 2013, 07:03:01 PM
TA is playing Chess while everyone else in this thread is playing checkers.

It must be a cold day in hell.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 07:06:13 PM
sure, make the comparisons anything you want.

doesnt matter.

 more volume + less calories = lower calories consumed (almost always)

Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 07:08:45 PM
sure, make the comparisons anything you want.

doesnt matter.

 more volume + less calories = lower calories consumed (almost always)


And you need a law to define that?  ???
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 07:11:30 PM
As long as people keep up their food bitching, ignorance and phobia, prices will go up for less product.  Can`t even get a King Size Fry from Burger King anymore.

Liberal Logic- Pay more for less product and everybody wins somehow!    :-\   
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 07:19:23 PM
Corporations have no problem whatsoever charging you more money for less and less calories and product.  For instance, Ice Cream containers are getting smaller and smaller, yet the cost is going up and they are adding less and less cream (calories and what makes Ice Cream, Ice Cream).  In effect, you are just paying for more water and air as the overrun is increased.  Have fun paying for nothing.  Same thing with every other "food demon".  When you align yourself with this stupid Liberal nonsense, you are only doing the bidding of the corporations.  Keep it up.  Selling you less for more is not a bad business model at all and you will certainly get what you ask for.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 07:20:23 PM
no, liberal logic = ends justify means, restricting food choices can reduce obesity, reduced obesity is good for the country and helps fund healthcare, therefore the end (better country) justifys the means (restricting food choices)



now, maybe there are better means to that end. like teaching moderation
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 26, 2013, 07:21:28 PM
Corporations have no problem whatsoever charging you more money for less and less calories and product.  For instance, Ice Cream containers are getting smaller and smaller, yet the cost is going up and they are adding less and less cream (calories and what makes Ice Cream, Ice Cream).  In effect, you are just paying for more water and air as the overrun is increased.  Have fun paying for nothing.  Same thing with every other "food demon".  When you align yourself with this stupid Liberal nonsense, you are only doing the bidding of the corporations.  Keep it up.  Selling you less for more is not a bad business model at all and you will certainly get what you ask for.
or maybe you like the taste of low calorie ice cream and also enjoy getting to eat a larger volume of ice cream while still consuming the same amount of calories.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 07:28:16 PM
no, liberal logic = ends justify means, restricting food choices can reduce obesity, reduced obesity is good for the country and helps fund healthcare, therefore the end (better country) justifys the means (restricting food choices)



now, maybe there are better means to that end. like teaching moderation
Ends Don`t justify the means.  What are you going to do, rip every product off the Supermarket Isle, ban it or tax it to high heaven?   Not reducing Obesity is not a bad thing in my opinion.  These people will die sooner, which will save the healthcare industry in the long run.  The majority of healthcare costs occur once a person is 65 and older.  These fat asses won`t make it that long and if they do, they won`t make it much longer than that.  

Furthermore, in case you haven`t realized by now, Obamacare is not a government run system and is strictly run by the Private Sector.  More so than ever now with the upcoming Fascist Mandate which requires purchase of a product from the private marketplace.  Obamacare will only suffice to grow the impaired system we currently have and grow it will.  The Private Health Industry racket will become an impenetrable Too Big to Fail entity and will be just another example of accepted excessive bloated Fascism in due time.  
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 07:29:49 PM
or maybe you like the taste of low calorie ice cream and also enjoy getting to eat a larger volume of ice cream while still consuming the same amount of calories.
I don`t.  I make mine with Heavy Cream and Egg Yolks and like eating things with actual taste.  If I wanted to eat Ice Cubes instead of Ice Cream, I would eat Ice Cubes.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: calfzilla on January 26, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
I thought TA was a liberal?  Maybe not, maybe just a democrat.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
I thought TA was a liberal?  Maybe not, maybe just a democrat.
I don`t belong to any party and I also don`t think today`s Democratic Party even deserves the word liberal.  In fact, they have polluted it.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: steamboatwillie on January 26, 2013, 08:11:41 PM
How about we quit being so "accepting" and start making fun of and bullying these lard asses again like they did in the good ole days?  Quit giving them excuses and encouragement and start making fat jokes and kicking their chair out from under them. 

I swear if I hear my wife say she's fat because her mom and sister are or she had to eat a while box of Valentine's cakes because she's on her period or whatever else I'm gonna kick her ass.

People are fat because they don't have self respect...why should we mess with Coke or McDonald's business because they cater to losers?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 26, 2013, 08:17:55 PM
I thought TA was a liberal?  Maybe not, maybe just a democrat.
It's called be a self serving (insert TA's profile here).
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: leadhead on January 26, 2013, 08:21:47 PM
Tbombz got it right when he said liberals support public healthcare therefore want everyone who chooses to buy calorie-dense foods to suffer by paying higher taxes on them. In turn, they think it will deter them from these choices. Tobacco is taxed very high here in Florida, yet people still smoke.

I think it should be more education about moderation and exercise if anything should be done. I eat my fair share of fast food yet stay in decent shape. It's more of a personal responsibility issue to me. I could careless if the businesses profit off the constant poor choices of Americans.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: onetoughrepublican on January 26, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
libtards are so dum.

glad to see true adonis is finaly becomeing a republican.

smart kid
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: NotSure on January 26, 2013, 09:07:31 PM
We should have a national method of lowering energy prices too! Over inflate your tires Saturdays. Turn of your lights early Friday. Walk to work Mondays. Team Personal Responsibility FTW!
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Alex23 on January 26, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
???

You are a moron.  How come I never wanted to smoke cigarettes despite being bombarded with tons of ads as a kid and all my friends smoked?

total obliteration from a true patriot of liberty.

I'm worried about the intellectual degeneration that seem to be taking over...
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 26, 2013, 11:06:39 PM
I`ve never understand their logic (lack thereof) on this issue.  They point the fingers at Fast Food and Soda which are completely harmless to eat and drink.  How come nobody realizes that all you need to do is eat 2000 calories or so a day?  (that little piece of advice also eludes people of ALL political persuasions-many on Getbig even)




Spot on as usual Adonis!
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 26, 2013, 11:07:11 PM
Ban advertising for such products.

Advertising by definition is made to manipulate the viewer. If a company puts millions of dollars on the line to manipulate people into unhealthy life choices how can they act innocent.

I'm all for freedom of choice, but allowing coke ads free reign is just the opposite.


But anyways continues this childish diatribe, and be sure to stick your "values" and ignore virtually everything we know about human behavior.  ::)

Holy fuck, your ignorance blows me away.  
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 26, 2013, 11:12:37 PM
TA is playing Chess while everyone else in this thread is playing checkers.

It must be a cold day in hell.

 ;D
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 27, 2013, 09:10:50 AM
We should have a national method of lowering energy prices too! Over inflate your tires Saturdays. Turn of your lights early Friday. Walk to work Mondays. Team Personal Responsibility FTW!
Yes!  Somehow we would have to fit that all in between Carb-Up Tuesdays and Organic Only Thursday.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on January 27, 2013, 11:55:29 AM
If there were no fat people then we would only have handicapped people and black people to mock and laugh at
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 27, 2013, 12:30:59 PM
psychology has proven that advertisment works, its a very well researched matter.

the companies dont throw around millions at random.

ppl dont know and dont care what 2000calories are,adonis.



You're absolutely right, advertising is extremely powerful.


Ultimately,  the choice is still up to the consumer.   If you do let yourself be manipulated,  you deserve what you get.

Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: cswol on January 27, 2013, 12:43:50 PM
what i want to know true anus, i meant adonis why are you still believing in a left and right paradigm that is used to fool americans of believing in the system of democrats and republicans, you think your probly 31 now, i mean are you going to be a sheep all your life, wiggs can back this up.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 27, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
You're absolutely right, advertising is extremely powerful.


Ultimately,  the choice is still up to the consumer.   If you do let yourself be manipulated,  you deserve what you get.




Yes yes yes! 
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Rami on January 27, 2013, 01:11:34 PM
Because this is what Liberals do and what they enjoy, telling everyone what to do. And because it's their issue and their idea, the whole nation has to be part of it.


Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Krankenstein on January 27, 2013, 01:40:38 PM
???

You are a moron.  How come I never wanted to smoke cigarettes despite being bombarded with tons of ads as a kid and all my friends smoked?

x10

Here is something to consider.  How many MILLIONS are spent on advertising exercise equipment, DVD's, systems, etc.?  How many different diets are advertised?  Yet, our obesity levels continue to rise.  Now people are concerned about how much coke puts into advertising?  Society is becoming dumber and dumber by the second.

Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: cswol on January 27, 2013, 03:45:15 PM
its all propaganda and brainwashing, all those as seen on tv, and anything seen on tv are gimmicks that really dont work, how long before many of you wake up and realize TV is MK Ultra cia brainwashing.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 02:47:48 PM
Ends Don`t justify the means.  What are you going to do, rip every product off the Supermarket Isle, ban it or tax it to high heaven?   Not reducing Obesity is not a bad thing in my opinion.  These people will die sooner, which will save the healthcare industry in the long run.  The majority of healthcare costs occur once a person is 65 and older.  These fat asses won`t make it that long and if they do, they won`t make it much longer than that.  

Furthermore, in case you haven`t realized by now, Obamacare is not a government run system and is strictly run by the Private Sector.  More so than ever now with the upcoming Fascist Mandate which requires purchase of a product from the private marketplace.  Obamacare will only suffice to grow the impaired system we currently have and grow it will.  The Private Health Industry racket will become an impenetrable Too Big to Fail entity and will be just another example of accepted excessive bloated Fascism in due time.  
i am an anarchist, your preaching to the choir. but you already knew that, you were just trying to change the subject because i crushed you real argument. lol
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 28, 2013, 03:37:33 PM
i am an anarchist, your preaching to the choir. but you already knew that, you were just trying to change the subject because i crushed you real argument. lol

I really don't see how you did. 
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
I really don't see how you did. 
he said that banning high calorie foods wouldnt decrease obesity. and it obviously would.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Archer77 on January 28, 2013, 03:55:14 PM
he said that banning high calorie foods wouldnt decrease obesity. and it obviously would.

How are you defining a high calorie food?  Any food is low calorie if the serving size is small enough.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 04:03:09 PM
How are you defining a high calorie food?  Any food is low calorie if the serving size is small enough.
calorie - to - volume ratio.

Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 28, 2013, 04:08:57 PM
calorie - to - volume ratio.


Anything that is low calorie and high in volume is mostly water.  If you can drink a gallon of water a day, you will have absolutely no problem eating a lot of low calorie foods with high water content.  Besides, the water satiation effect is VERY temporal and it won`t be long before you are hungry again. 
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: MikMaq on January 28, 2013, 06:25:06 PM
yeah, but a chinese meal or mcdonalds will make you feel like eating again very soon too.
Your referencing human behavior, that is not allowed in an adonis argument.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 28, 2013, 06:30:52 PM
yeah, but a chinese meal or mcdonalds will make you feel like eating again very soon too.
Disagree.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: NotSure on January 28, 2013, 06:34:32 PM
Disagree.
I actually feel hungrier sooner after eating health stuff. When i eat tuna all day i feel like i haven't eaten anything and feel ill. I went to PF Changs the other day and order the chicken lettuce wraps, ahi seared tuna, and cucumber salad and felt full and was hungry 30 minutes later.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
Anything that is low calorie and high in volume is mostly water.  If you can drink a gallon of water a day, you will have absolutely no problem eating a lot of low calorie foods with high water content.  Besides, the water satiation effect is VERY temporal and it won`t be long before you are hungry again. 
try eating 2500 calories from broccoli and come back to me.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 28, 2013, 08:06:33 PM
try eating 2500 calories from broccoli and come back to me.
Why would anyone want to do that?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Jovo on January 28, 2013, 08:33:29 PM
lol @ this ratard character.

Buddy you're not autistic, you're just a man child who was sheltered his whole life and can't make decesions on his own, which is why you are basically a failure at life.

Eat what ever the fuck you want, like i give a shit if you're fat or ripped, at the end YOU make a decision and you live with that decision, i have enough of my own problems to give a fuck about someone eating a bigmac meal or full cream milk  ::)
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 10:40:19 PM
Why would anyone want to do that?
thats not the point.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 28, 2013, 10:49:52 PM
thats not the point.
Of course it is.  If nobody is ever going to do that day in and day out, why bother mentioning it?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: doison on January 28, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
thats not the point.

You're not going to put safeguards against the massive intestinal strain of digesting 2500 calories of fibrous vegetables?  

Sounds like a great idea...fight obesity related disease and create a pathway for immediate (and agonizing) death.  Better start legislating a way to prevent people from blowing up their colons next...
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 10:51:05 PM
Of course it is.  If nobody is ever going to do that day in and day out, why bother mentioning it?
because if you make it illegal for them to do otherwise, then they really have no choice.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 10:53:27 PM
You're not going to put safeguards against the massive intestinal strain of digesting 2500 calories of fibrous vegetables?  

Sounds like a great idea...fight obesity related disease and create a pathway for immediate (and agonizing) death.  Better start legislating a way to prevent people from blowing up their colons next...
haha.  ;D  you have a good point.. however 1) im not advocating regulations  2) broccoli/fibrous vegetables arent the only low calorie food  3) you dont need to eat 2500 calories of broccoli to feel full 4) 2500 calories of broccoli over the course of an entire day would not cause health problems
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 28, 2013, 10:54:02 PM
You're not going to put safeguards against the massive intestinal strain of digesting 2500 calories of fibrous vegetables?  

Sounds like a great idea...fight obesity related disease and create a pathway for immediate (and agonizing) death.  Better start legislating a way to prevent people from blowing up their colons next...
Sounds like Tombz has this all figured out in a well thought out plan.  But hey, at least he solved the obesity "epidemic".
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 10:56:06 PM
Sounds like Tombz has this all figured out in a well thought out plan.  But hey, at least he solved the obesity "epidemic".
its a nice gimmick you have. too bad im not actually advocating regulations. im an anarchist, but you know that.  ;)
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: doison on January 28, 2013, 10:57:04 PM
haha.  ;D  you have a good point.. however 1) im not advocating regulations  2) broccoli/fibrous vegetables arent the only low calorie food  3) you dont need to eat 2500 calories of broccoli to feel full 4) 2500 calories of broccoli over the course of an entire day would not cause health problems

You ever eat 250g of fiber over the course of a day?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 10:59:41 PM
You ever eat 250g of fiber over the course of a day?
i cant answer with any certainty because when i was eating large amounts of vegetables i wasnt counting calories or grams of fiber... there was a point where i was eating SEVERAL pounds of raw vegetables on a daily basis however.. and when i say several i mean several.. like 10 pounds a day.  cuz i wasnt eating any carbs or fats, and only about 200grams of protein. so i was constantly starving, and i knew that the more raw veggies=the faster the fat loss. so i would gorge on them. lliterally, gorge.   yeah, at times my stomach would growl like a mother fucker, and the gas was absolutely terrible. like, for real, just plain ridiculous.  but, i did lose a bunch of weight. and i got to eat like a pig while doing it.
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: The True Adonis on January 28, 2013, 11:13:01 PM
its a nice gimmick you have. too bad im not actually advocating regulations. im an anarchist, but you know that.  ;)
When did this happen?  ??? 

Anarchy eh?  Do you believe in Property Rights?
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 11:24:19 PM
When did this happen?  ??? 

Anarchy eh?  Do you believe in Property Rights?
i dont like the word "believe/belief"..

but, what exactly do you mean by "property rights"?

and, if i did support them, what would that mean?

you see... i dont support government, because government as it is understood today involves theft and coercion. the tyanny of the majority.  51% of people agree on something, then force their will upon the others. even if it was 99% in agreement, i still dont think they are right to force their will on the remaining 1%. whether it be laws, taxes, whatever.

when it comes to crime, let those who are personally affected and those who take personal offense to the crime decide how to deal with the perpetrator.  instead of establishing some arbitrary guidelines for punishment that apply to every case and are carried out by people not involved with the case.. etc

Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2013, 11:27:36 PM
Do you believe in Property Rights?

The difference between Libertarians and Anarchists?  8)
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: Jovo on January 28, 2013, 11:42:20 PM
i dont like the word "believe/belief"..

but, what exactly do you mean by "property rights"?

and, if i did support them, what would that mean?

you see... i dont support government, because government as it is understood today involves theft and coercion. the tyanny of the majority.  51% of people agree on something, then force their will upon the others. even if it was 99% in agreement, i still dont think they are right to force their will on the remaining 1%. whether it be laws, taxes, whatever.

when it comes to crime, let those who are personally affected and those who take personal offense to the crime decide how to deal with the perpetrator.  instead of establishing some arbitrary guidelines for punishment that apply to every case and are carried out by people not involved with the case.. etc



interesting views
Title: Re: Why do "Liberals" want to do something as a nation to "fight" Obesity?
Post by: tbombz on January 28, 2013, 11:53:14 PM
interesting views
im glad you found them interesting !  :)